Epstein Files situation — Part 2 — more to drop?

Wondering what wonderful secret means

Secrets taken to the grave

Secrets

(& for convenience, a cross-link back to Part 1)

I don't get along with my mom but I would never allow my dad to dispose of her remains in a golf course in New Jersey!

SQUIRREL!!!

Where was ? REPUBLICANS LOVE CHILD MOLESTORS.

Part 2???

That whole interaction in R3's TikTok video was pretty bizarre. Why is some dude showing Dump old printed out photos?

I approve of this headline:

R8, see R4

Un huh. His royal highness could not stop laughing while orange looked dead serious

I commented on that in the last thread, r9. Yeah, what's up with *that*?

R6, I'm shocked Fox News isn't doing a story about a trans bocce ball player or something

Fox is probably talking about how awful Jasmine Crockett is--with plenty of racist subtlety--like "she's so urban".

They have to keep their racist old asshole viewers happy.

Does she make koolaid

[quote]Trump dated tennis pro Gabriela Sabatini in July 1989 when she was 19 and Trump was 43.

I spent a lot of titillating hours watching Gabriela Sabatini play tennis back in the day, ladies and gentlemen, and if he had his little mushroom anywhere near any of her orifices, I will eat my shoes.

Seriously. I'll fry them up in a pan with some butter and the dog and I will share them.

I have never been so certain a woman was a lesbian in all my life.

Wonder what Vanky knows.

I was about to say the same, R17. I was really into women's tennis in the late 80s/early 90s and it was common knowledge that Sabatini was a lesbian.

Weren't there rumors about her and Martina?

Summer of 8647

I never heard anything, R20 -- but Sabatini was gorgeous, and Martina...

I never did like that Slavic look long before Melania was in the picture -- or Ivana, for that matter.

Being with Donald Trump is enough to turn any woman into a lesbian

R18 I think she was victim.

I always post this as evidence of those of us who've known what a jerk he was since the 80s.

Did Epstein traffic boys, too?

Interesting.

I wonder if boys were involved in his Wexner era.

It's an enema....er.....I mean enigmy.

Hmmm, AP reports that JD Vance made a secret flight to Murdoch's Montana ranch to speak to Rupert and Lachlan. Hmmm, I wonder what that meeting could possibly be all about?

Daddy would NEVER touch my pussy! Unless it's my birthday, President's Day, Arbor Day, etc. Actually any old day will do, I LOVE IT!!!!!

The Murdoch meeting in Montana happened in early June, for whatever it's worth. Still seems shady, but I'm not sure it is directly correlated to everything going on at the moment.

The still image near the top of the thread of the two together is from an MSNBC video they’re laughing, chortling, acting like buddies, arms around each other etc.

In any event, I posted that video some time back and I used Tracey Ullman’s hit “They Don’t Know” as the soundtrack. The lyrics fit that video of the two together to a tee:

You've been around for such a long time now Oh Maybe I could leave you but I don't know how And why should I be lonely ev'ry night When I can be with you Oh yes You make it right And I don't listen to the guys who say that you're bad for me And I should turn you away 'Cause they don't know about us And they've never heard of love I get a feeling when I look at you wherever you go now I want to be there too They say we're crazy but I just don't care And if they keep on talking Still they get nowhere So I don't mind if they don't understand When I look at you and you hold my hand 'Cause they don't know about us And they've never heard of love Why should it matter to us if they don't approve? We should just take our chances while we've got nothing to lose Baby There's no need for living in the past Now I've found good loving gonna make it last I tell the others Don't bother me 'Cause when they look at you They don't see what I see No I don't listen to their wasted lines Got my eyes wide open and I see the signs 'Cause they don't know about us And they've never heard of love No I don't listen to their wasted lines Got my eyes wide open and I see the signs 'Cause they don't know about us and they've never heard of love

Of course, these days, everybody knows.

Apparently lesbian sex shows figured prominently in their molestfests. Maybe that's why Sabatini and Ivanka hung around?

And the only genuine and joyful smiles I've ever seen out of Trump is when he's looking at Putin or Epstein. Otherwise he's an angry, dour asshole

Or when Ivanka sat on his lap.

The NYT takes a turn, with a long piece about the Trump-Epstein friendship.

“Our administration is committed to transparency!” 🤡

I always thought the Pee Tape was the P Tape and it stood for pedophile.

And I always thought Qanon was a bunch of unbelievable, over the the top stuff that normal people scoffed at, so that when Trump's perversions came out, they'd be tame to the Qanons. The people whose brains were trained to disbelieve would continue scoffing.

Q drops are out of date. We have moved on to utter chaos. MAGA has no theories or narrative at all, just random nonsense and panicked lies from Orange Idiot.

Asshole loudmouth ( who was considering running for president as a Dem.), Stephen A. Smith, is taking a lot of heat for this:

[quote]"It's really, really surprising that this matters. Of course I think there's a list but I don't know. I suspect, but I have no knowledge nor do I care," Smith said. "I'm getting ready to enjoy myself. This client list has no effect on me whatsoever - I have a life. You got people crying on camera, talking about resignations, just angry about everything."

[quote]Smith continued, "I didn't blame Trump one bit for looking at them and saying, 'Really? That really matters to you?' Maybe he had a different reason for saying it. In the grand scheme of things, it ain't going to affect the lives of over 200-to-300 million Americans."

Some advice for Stephen:

Stephen A. Smith needs to take a seat and STFU.

No one cares what this self-serving, self-important asshole thinks.

Trump is subhuman slime and gets to be President. Why can’t Stephen A. shoot his mouth off?

[quote]In the grand scheme of things, it ain't going to affect the lives of over 200-to-300 million Americans

Neither did Clinton's blow job. And yet ...

So you agree that everyone else needs to take a seat and let Trump keep Trumping R45? Why shouldn’t his bullshit be called out whether it changes anything or not?

BUT HER EMAILS!

No I’m saying that Trump is a game show host. Why are people surprised when a sports show host weighs in? It’s all infotainment.

You'd think the kids, at least, would ensure her grave was neat and tidy and send flowers. You gotta wonder if something isn't buried in there with her or if they secretly hated her.

Wow, that interaction R9 linked to is very strange. Trump is not amused but the other two are yukking it up.

All of the Trump children are sociopaths. Why would they care about their mother's grave R50? That's what the Mexican groundskeepers are for.

Atlas Intel, the only poll to which I now pay attention, has Trump at his lowest disapproval, 55%, in his second term, but that's only one point higher than its poll from last month. And his 44% approval, also down one from last month, is still pretty good for Trump.

I'm sure Ivana wouldn't have wanted to be buried on one of Trump's golf courses. The thought of it is insulting. I imagine that her grown kids would have had the authority to make the decision. Maybe they wanted it to be somewhere they could visit in privacy. Maybe they thought they were giving her the Princess Diana treatment by burying her on private family property, away from other dead people. Maybe they were too cheap to buy a plot in a regular cemetery for rich people.

It would have made more sense to bury her at Mara Lago. Or even better, cremate her and bury or scatter her remains in her Eastern European homeland.

He'll always have 4 out of 10 Americans who will happily drink his Kool-Aid.

The way those kids roasted their mom at her funeral service and went months without speaking to her shows they don't give a fuck about her and never did. And it's like the groundskeepers have been instructed to say fuck that grave, because nobody would let a patch of crabgrass anywhere near a golf course. My neighbors have landscapers and they're always walking into my yard and spraying weeds on the perimeter of it.

I’m sure Trump sold it as the most beeyuuutiful gravesite ever and then proceeded to ignore it as a final humiliation for accusing him of rape. He wouldn’t tell them it was a tax write off and by the time they read it in the papers, it was too late.

The only colder move is Tiger Woods putting his dad in an unmarked grave.

I noticed The Hill has dropped all Trump-Epstein stories, at least as of this morning. The Washington Post has it as their top story.

SQUIRREL!!!

Trump got a tax break for including a certain number of burial plots at Bedminster.

Yes, but only for the small zone around Ivana, not the club as a whole. He also takes advantage of the "farmer scam" for selling a token amount of produce. A very wealthy family friend in the area got a significant break on his estate for selling a few bushes of apples annually.

He did that r57? I did read his father was a terrible person and that’s why Woods is so messed up re women.

He did. And his dad was a whore, yes.

[quote] He'll always have 4 out of 10 Americans who will happily drink his Kool-Aid.

It was once the informed wisdom that Trump's floor was between 33-35%. Which is why I won't be impressed until his approval plummets into the 30s.

His kids are like my stepfather's sons. In the divorce, they picked their psychopathic, narcissist mother because she had a rich-ish new husband. My step-father was just an ordinary slob in IT. They were bought with the promise of dirt bikes, a lake house with boats, etc. That's the Trump family. Currying favor with Daddy for inheritance.

Maybe Ivana was buried at the golf course to avoid getting an investigation if it turned out she were murdered.

R59, he's like a squid or a skunk spraying when its scared to create a diversion and speed away. He is in his anal gland era now

[quote]No I’m saying that Trump is a game show host. Why are people surprised when a sports show host weighs in? It’s all infotainment.

Because, Smith has political ambitions as a Democratic candidate for pres.

That’s my point. How could Stephen A. be worse than Trump? At least he probably isn’t a serial rapist.

IN DEPTH DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS TOPIC INCLUDING THE GRAVE SITE LOCATED ON A GOLF COURSE

About right, R64. I believe his approval includes some wavering support, reluctant to admit they're honestly tired of his antics.

Even though Trump's botched Covid response killed off hundreds of thousands of his own voters it still wasn't enough for his base to abandon him, so the best we can hope for is for him to resume killing off more of them!

Farmers you're first!

What is this squirrel reference I keep seeing?

I believe it means "Look over there!", r75.

lots of ugly distractions and a huge fetid mess.

remember this?

how about this?

R79, the Anal Gland Expression to that was Elon's Nazi salute the next day and the voting computers were never spoken of again. Elon jumped on his sword and kissed up to the atormfronters that he idolizes

R67 No "maybe" about it.

R74 It wasn't botched, it was deliberate. I feel that people often give Dump the benefit of the doubt that he's just dumb and incompetent. I'm not saying he isn't either of those things, but he deliberately underplayed Covid so his Polling numbers would stay up, and Stephen Miller deliberately held back resources from blue states so their citizens would get sick and die.

It's much easier to "govern" over a population of sick and dying as they don't have the strength to fight back. How to be a dictator 101.

The maggot cult is now up-and-arms over this post from their führer.

In the words of Adam Schiff, “Donald, piss off”.

How concerned are you, if at all, about Sen. Dick Durbin's (D-IL) recent statement that FBI agents were allegedly told to "flag" any Jeffrey Epstein-related records that mentioned President Donald Trump?

Very concerned = 57%

Somewhat concerned = 9%

Not concerned at all = 26%

Other / No opinion =7%

Based on 3,554 responses

This is quite fascinating.

Did they ask Shaky Sue Collins R83?

I wonder if a new nugget will come out this week. Where are the flagged Trump files, including videos and photos?

You remember this?

It is impossible at this point to determine what is the distraction and what is the main event.

That's the point, r88...or as I like to call you, Piano Keys.

Posting this again.

I'm in complete agreement with this sentiment.

oh the tangled web we weave

RESURFACED Ivana Photo Instantly EXPOSES TRUMP

Even The Hill couldn’t go a full day without a mention of the WSJ article. Hopefully the evidence is sinking him.

I don't know what informs the notion in some quarters here that The Hill is some right-wing site. It does include some conservatives - along with liberals - in its roster of columnists, but its reportage is not particularly ideologic.

Ivana Trump gave explicit details about how Donald assaulted her—taken from 1990 divorce sworn testimony.

"Ivana is crying and screaming. Entire bed is covered with strands of her golden locks. But Donald isn't finished. He rips off clothes and unzips his pants. Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months."

"Ivana is terrified. This is not lovemaking. This is not romantic sex. It is a violent assault. She later describes what Donald is doing to her in no uncertain terms. According to the version she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, 'He raped me.'"

"When Donald finally pulls out, Ivana jumps up from the bed. Then she runs upstairs to her mother's room. She locks the door and stays there crying for the rest of the night."

"The next morning Ivana musters up the courage to return to the master bedroom. Donald is there waiting for her. He leaves no doubt that he knows exactly what he did to her the night before."

"As she looks at him in horror at her ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with a menacing casualness, 'Does it hurt?'"

Postscript: Ivana Trump later reached a settlement with Donald in 1993—she agreed to release a statement saying she did not want her words interpreted in a "criminal sense" and that she wanted "this matter to be put to rest."

I would slightly agree but it’s a good sign they are not burying it like Fox.

^ The Hill

[quote] When Donald finally pulls out

5 words that should never be spoken.

With all the fucking crime and scandals the Orange Turd is responsible for, it's so easy to forget about his ex-wife's "accident".

My top 3 scandals for the OT in order; (and I believe all!)

1) Raping the 13-yr old girl along w/Epstein 2) Participating in a fake assassination attempt in Butler, PA 3) Somehow being complicit in Ivana's "accident". (my suspicion on this is that she was killed someplace else and her body was placed. I also consider the OT might not have ordered it, that possibly someone else had her killed as a warning to OT.

And I'm not even mentioning all the Treason he's committed.

More on Vance/Murdoch meeting this past Tuesday.

R96 God, that was horrible to read.

R101, so they met in early June *and* right before the WSJ released the bombshell?

This was worth the time. Michael Wolff spills what he knows about Epstein and Trump to Michael Cohen. Wolff doesn't believe any wild conspiracies that Epstein was a spy. He says Epstein was a social climber and influence peddler and was truly friends with Trump and vice versa. Cohen says he doesn't believe Trump is a child rapist on Epstein's turf, and that Trump doesn't have a real player's game with women, and isn't interested in sex for sex. Just power dynamics. Wolff seems to be too pollyanna about Epstein and of course Wolff was in thick with Epstein for some time. There are insights into Steve Bannon as well.

"Think X is going to sink Trump!"

Trump remains unsunk.

Put your dick down, or get better porn.

R105 Think=Thing, of course

Trump is a sex pest.

Cro-Marge isn't letting this go. When that thing is the voice of reason, things have really gone off the rails.

[quote] Cro-Marge isn't letting this go. When that thing is the voice of reason, things have really gone off the rails.

AND/OR...

She's antisemitic.

She's been on a rampage against sending funds to Israel as well. I think that in her heart of hearts she believes this is a way to put a dent in the "globalist" agenda which, of course, advances Christian Nationalism.

Audacity? Stupidity? Is there no limit? Mind you, she was bought and paid for by Scientology when she was Florida AG. Scientology is probably one of the largest human trafficking entities in the U.S. (Google Sea Org for a primer)

Meanwhile in Israel...

"Survivors testify: MKs participated in sadistic sexual 'rituals' involving minors

‘Doctors, educators, police officers, and past and present members of the Knesset were involved in these abuses,’ survivor says.People

Scientology has nothing on ICE at the moment when it comes to human trafficking.

Ok, well, it’s getting quieter. Lawrence O’Donnell noted on his show last night thst Trump has really tried to “flood the zone” with posts and comments about anything else, but — in a rare moment of disciplined avoidance — has said zero on Epstein. Whether that’s out of fear or out of determination or a mix of the two, who knows.

I wouldn’t assume that a quieter week so far means it’s done. It will definitely make news again if WSJ/News Corp fights back 100% and Trump’s lawsuit goes to trial. But it’s true that things have simmered down for now.

R100 the biggest trump scandal is the dozens of us spies and assets who were killed after he leaked their names to Russia

[quote] But it’s true that things have simmered down for now.

Torta, this was inevitable as soon as L'Affaire Epstein started to become a cause celebre among Democrats.

Oh, FFS, R111 -- did you even read that article?

I thought the stuff they said happened to them was over the top for sure, but then I saw this: They made us drink period blood.

OK. I guesstimate I had a monthly period for 30-35 years. I know that was awhile ago, but you either wore a pad or a tampon, both of which are made to [italic]absorb[/italic] period blood. I suppose it's possible to use either of those products like one would a tea bag, in a cup of hot water, but by then it wouldn't be period blood anymore, no more than drinking tea would be the same as eating the tea leaves inside of the tea bag.

I've heard there's a cup you can put in there that's something like a diaphragm, but I can't imagine how one would collect enough blood from enough menstruating women for small children to be able to "drink" it. It's not like the blood that comes out of a vein -- well, I'll spare you boys the exact description -- but it would be like trying to drink phlegm, another kind of thick-ish bodily fluid.

So where this story is coming from, I have no idea. It sounds more like The Exorcist than real life.

But I'll stay tuned if you want to keep posting, R111.

Ouch!

R116, I don't know anything about those particular allegations. However, there actually have been child sex abuse rings involving powerful people; they are not solely the product of conspiratorial fantasy. The Kincora Boys' Home case in Northern Ireland, for example, even had connections to the British Intelligence community.

Alleged. That link died not support your argument

Just Wow

Talk about running scared

Hmmm.

I wonder if Maxwell is thinking about what happened to Epstein shortly after Attorney General Barr’s prison visit ?

Ghislaine Maxwell pardoned in return for lying about Trump…3…2…1….

The Epstein stuff probably hits too close to home for Johnson, the guy with an "adopted son"

Redskins! Cane Sugar! MLK!

So, it's all over?

Not over at all.

It makes it look like a cover-up conspiracy, something to hide.

Desperate much, orange?

It doesn't matter if there is a cover-up conspiracy, R127.

What matters id if the MAGAts think there was.

*is*

Here's a NYT article on Ghislaine you might find interesting..

Ghislaine gave an entire trial of testimony.

She didn't testify, r132.

Trump fucks kids

And fuck Trump's kids

Didja ever think that the reason these guys like to fuck young adolescents is because they both have misshapen penises and the young girls don't know any better? Grown women have probably been snickering behind their backs (or even to their faces) about their weirdly-shaped penises for [italic]years.[/italic]

Having almost zero experience with the penis (except for the thousands of examples I've seen on DL), I'm curious as to what you guys think of that hypothesis.

Shutting down the House until September to prevent a vote on releasing the Epstein files.

Fucking wild

I think you have a point SL / r136. In general I wouldn't restrict it to just the penis but it works in this case. And the opportunities for humiliation make it worth persuing.

r136 -

I've thought that all along, Senior Lesbian.

Which came first...the mushroom or the egg?

[quote]Grown women have probably been snickering behind their backs (or even to their faces) about their weirdly-shaped penises for years.

Not just shape or size but the inability to use it to give a woman pleasure

Sorry but I think that's an absurd hypothesis

As a gay man who was once married to a woman I tried to make sure she had the best time possible in bed. The straight guys around me were selfish. One asked if I had to hold my nose when I went down.

What are you talking about, r142? Explain yourself.

Interesting idea senior lesbian R136. Both men seem to have/had stunted emotional development as well. Clearly not capable of a fully developed 1:1 adult romantic relationship. His wives each tolerated his many defects and his toxic narcissism (and outright abuse in Ivana’s case) for the $$ and social prestige. Rape and exploitation are attractive to this kind of man and extreme wealth makes more things possible in just about any direction. He was never going to have a marriage like the Bushes or the Obamas or the Bidens. Melania is cold as ice and their marriage seems more like a not-consummated divorce at this point. But the defective-penis hypothesis as well is a funny one to consider.

R111 The testimonies these women gave are identical to the ones given during the satanic panic of the 90s from all those women who were hypnotized into "remembering" satanic ritual abuse as children, down to the animal sacrifices and forced drinking of blood and other bodily fluids.

Really it just turned out that they were put under hypnosis and led to believe these things under the power of suggestion from therapists looking to make a name for themselves. Not a single report of ritualized satanic abuse of children has ever been substantiated.

R141 - women are supposed to get pleasure out of it?

Grok

[quote] Yes, it's true. Roy Black, a prominent defense attorney who represented Jeffrey Epstein among others, died on July 21, 2025, at age 80 after an illness. Confirmed by sources like CBS News, Miami Herald, and Wikipedia.

Roy Black, who used to be a fixture on cable tv, represented a number of prominent defendants.

I think this is a correct take

"This is a cover story to justify a meeting between AG Bondi and Ghislaine Maxwell wherein she will be promised a pardon or commutation in exchange for her silence on any matter implicating the president of the United States."

CNN has uncovered multiple photos of Jeffrey Epstein at Donald Trump‘s wedding, photos of the pair together earlier that year at an event, and video of Epstein and Trump at the 1999 Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show.

More from Allison Gill.

Wow. Trump 2.0 is really flailing. All of their Epstein offerings to MAGA are suspect:

1. The grand jury testimony. It won't have anything in it regarding Trump, because they were submitting their basic evidence against Ghislaine and Jeffrey to allow charges to be filed. It wasn't even their strongest evidence. In any event, the court already has a ton of questions for them about releasing the testimony so it won't be released any time soon.

2. The Ghislaine interview. Todd Blanche was Trump's defense attorney, and he is friends with Ghislaine's attorney. Do you really think they will allow her to say anything harmful to Trump? No way. So again, it's just a distraction that won't lead to anything significant. She is a pedophile who wants a pardon. Why the hell are we supporting taxpayer money to talk to her? She's biased and a pedophile.

R152 - I think that many people have copies of materials from DOJ about Epstein. For example, the spreadsheet that contains all the Trump references in the files. Also think that Elon Musk has access to material and there may also be government people currently leaking docs that don't like the current leadership at FBI or DOJ - the Pam, Kash and Dan Bongina trifecta of incompetence.

Related to some posts a few up from this.. I saw a news item today that says JD Vance has been vaguely brag-dishing to various dinner companions that he knows what’s in the Epstein files.

This may be a quieter week, but the larger thing is messy and beyond problematic. It could easily have more plot twists ahead.

Has anything been revealed in the past few months that those of us on DL didn't know about years ago???

How many of us here knew about (and believed!) the woman who claimed she was raped by Dump at age 13? The video of her testimony has been posted numerous times.

Or Dump deliberately walking into the dressing rooms of teen girls when he owned the Miss Teen USA pageant...and when one complained to Ivanka about it, her only response was "Yeah, he does that."

So again I ask, have we learned anything new??

Yes.

We’ve learned that the White House is [italic] VERY [/italic] worried about where release of the real DOJ/FBI files will lead.

This administration is so corrupt and twisted that I will never believe anything they release to the public. They are not behaving as though they are innocent. I really hope that real copies will be leaked at some point...

Interview with Michael Wolff (second link down).

R156 Sexual assault is old hat for him, obviously, and it's also terrifically difficult to prosecute and convict, especially when the defendant in question is someone like Trump. But if there's something in those files that provides credible evidence he partook in human trafficking (particularly in violation of the Mann Act, which prohibits sex trafficking involving interstate or foreign travel and criminalizes transporting individuals across state lines or coercing them to travel for prostitution), then that's federal and a whole other ballgame.

I'm sure Trump and Epstein only went to that Victoria's Secret show to politely engage the young ladies in some nice conversations

Not that I want to speak for everybody, but haven't we all known somewhere in our psyches that if anything or anyone would finally bring Trump down besides the Grim Reaper (and btw, where the fuck are you, GR, when it comes to this despicable pig Trump?) it would be by his own behavior and big mouth or by his Frankenfools?

If this Epstein thing doesn't finish him off, nothing will except him choking to death and a Big Mac.

^ on a Big Mac

Trump is a pig and has been associated with other pigs. He makes me sick.

CNN isn’t stopping — tonight they put up a lead story online with photos, documenting Epstein having a great time at Trump’s wedding back in 1993. With more details about their long and entwined friendship.

Big whoop. I was friends with Epstein AND Cosby AND Roger Ailes AND OJ!

Remember this?

how about this 1

Epstein prison video had nearly 3 minutes cut from it

Virginia Giuffre, a crusader for Jeffrey Epstein victims, dies at 41

Sometimes I think about how this story about lumpy attacking a People magazine reporter came out before the 2016 election — in addition to multiple other claims of sexual assault and the Access Hollywood tape — and he still got elected. That’s when I lost hope of any scandal taking this guy down.

President Donald Trump turned the South Lawn of the White House into a temporary Tesla showroom Tuesday in a conspicuous favor to his adviser Elon Musk, the car company’s billionaire CEO.

????

R172, that shit's from March, why post it here today?

Thats a report about the past. Not the present.

Mike Johnson putting the GOP-led House into recess mode from July 22 thru into September, is a total defensive / anxiety move re Trump/Epstein and everybody knows it.

Th as no you for your AI note, about facts we already learned.

Fank you*

R176 Yes, but it's likely to work as people don't have the attention span to focus on this until September..

DrudgeReport is staying on Epstein like the proverbial pitbull on a pantleg. Granted he doesn't get nearly the readership he used to but it's one more little indicator.

And how interesting it is - & welcomed - that Drudge has done a 180 from his far right politics of yore.

True, Sylvia R179 but that's been kind of true about news in general every summer. Each election season in August there's this sense of "well, summer, whatever, but the voters are really going to start focusing on the election after Labor Day."

So the question becomes, will Epstein/Trump loom back up into the news cycle, zombie style, when September comes in just six weeks? Who knows, but the probability seems not so low to me. Things are happening... DOJ/Ghislaine; a few more accusers speaking out; more Trump/Epstein photos found; Pam Bondi might release a heavily sanitized "something" to try to put this into the past. But will leakers retaliate by releasing the unredacted?

I don't feel at all sure either way, re: this story taking Trump down or this story dying permanently starting now, over the summer. It's been unpredictable so far.

Now the Proud "Boys" (they're not boys, of course, they're thugs) say they're riled up demanding Trump release the Files. Maybe they'll get so frustrated they'll launch a mob attack on the White House and Congress.

^^you know they don’t think Dump is implicated in the files as a pedo, so why do they think Dump is holding back? Why do they think Dump is protecting the librul cabal of child traffickers?

As long as material keeps leaking, it will stay in the news. Especially anything that suggests Trump, Lutnick, etc. were clients of Epstein and Ghastlaine.

That is the real question - how long will MAGA remain in denial that the real reason the files are not being released is because they implicate Trump.

This isn't going away. I'm enjoying watching Trump and GQP in a panic.

They can run, but they can’t hide…

Sweat equity

[quote]Mike Johnson putting the GOP-led House into recess mode from July 22 thru into September, is a total defensive / anxiety move re Trump/Epstein and everybody knows it.

It deserves a booming coast-to-coast chanting of 'TACO.' Scuttle scuttle scuttle, cluck cluck cluck. The leader of the free world runs and hides. Summers pass all too quickly, and the WSJ face-off will simmer steadily. This won't be forgotten.

The handjob with a glove story isn't getting enough traction.

It's a winner: Salacious and just plain weird.

He's gonna drop a nuke. The ultimate distraction. You know they're talking about it and who the hell is going to stop him?

It's Wag the Dog time!

R156, we’ve learned that even the Q nuts who were supposed to be all in on rounding up the pedos have no fucking clue that their orange Jesus is implicated in the mountain of evidence.

They also have not read any of the available testimony, the Miami Herald story on Epstein or anything that was posted to pastebin several years ago containing flight logs and testimony from the case brought back in 2003-2005.

The nutters have been feeding off each other instead of tracking down actual facts. They’ve been spoon fed bullshit about democrats when it was their orange god all along who is trafficking.

Torta, r182, once the house is back in session in September, Maddie intends to force the issue to a floor vote.

If he gets enough Democrats to back him and two more thugs, he can force a floor vote and Maggot Mike who be able to stop it.

So it won’t go away quietly. Good.

*MASSIE* fucking autocorrect

I hope Massie has good protection.

short attention spans got us in this fucking mess. You remembered President Biden being like, so like, old. You forgot about orange fomenting an insurrection.

also

They have been screaming about groomers for well over a decade now but their jesus is convicted and accused of assault including under-aged girls so NOW? they have no fucks to give.

JUST IN: Epstein’s own brother just blew up the White House’s cover story.

Mark Epstein tells CNN that Trump was absolutely at Jeffrey Epstein’s office, “numerous times.”

“That’s just another blatant lie,” he says, “because he was there. People that worked for Jeffrey in his office, they could testify that they saw Trump there.”

This directly contradicts claims from Trump and the current administration.

And it gets worse…

📁 One of Epstein’s earliest accusers, Maria Farmer, says she told the FBI twice to investigate Trump — after a disturbing 1995 encounter in Epstein’s office.

She says Epstein called her in late at night. She showed up in running shorts. Trump walked in wearing a suit and started hovering over her. “Trump stared at her bare legs,” she said. She was scared.

Epstein walked in and said, “No, no. She’s not here for you.”

Then he and Trump left. She overheard Trump say he thought she was sixteen.

This horrible breaking story about child rapists in Alabama is going to feed the flames for full disclosure of the Epstein documents

Child rapists in Alabama?! Tell us Moore

[quote]The handjob with a glove story isn't getting enough traction.

I’m going to regret asking but WHAT?!?!

Rapey playground and mall creeper Roy Moore was so odious, Alabama sent a Democrat to the Senate. But just for a couple of years then they went back to electing normal awful Republicans like crazy eyes Christian mom Katie Britt.

Federal Judge Robin L. Rosenberg has DENIED the release of the Grand Jury testimonies in the Epstein court case saying: "My hands are tied."

With gloves on.

R208

I don't understand these comments where people just list comment reply numbers and nothing else. What's that about?

⬆️ It’s so annoying.

They’ve blocked the poster, r210, but they want to see what was posted.

Ok thanks r212. Yes, it is annoying

What a surprise

That seems significant, R214. And good to see the WSJ seemingly unafraid of Trump and his $ Ten Billion lawsuit threat.

Moar!

[quote] Bongino has told colleagues that his association with the administration’s decision to keep the files private has eroded his credibility among the base of support that fueled his rise as a successful podcaster and media personality on the right, according to a senior administration official. Bongino didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Is he going to quit like he promised or keep collecting a government salary while not showing up to work? Shit or get off the pot, Bongo.

So his loyalty is not to the Constitution, to which he swore an oath? Got it.

Non-paywalled WSJ.

Democrats should be calling Trump Jeffrey Epstein.

President Trumpstein!

I understand the desire to use this against Trump but if the Epstein documents are released it's going to blow up both parties (well the uni-party) as well as Israel

Good. Start over.

Blow it all up then. How does it blow up the Dems exactly? via Bill Clinton?? He hasn’t been on the national stage in a quarter century. I think we can handle that.

R216. Even Helen Keller saw this one coming...

Helen Keller was on the list!

R22, ahem

Now that we know Trump knew that HIS name was in the Epstein files, countdown to him demanding that DOJ release ALL the names.

Just to be clear - I don't think this was a bad thing at all.

I absolutely want everything released, I want the whole rotten system exposed and blown up, people imprisoned for life including Trump. I just don't like it becoming some narrow partisan thing because it isn't, it's much bigger

I can see how it came off otherwise

I want every name released too. The more there are, the more this will stay in the news and it will be comical that every time Trump points the finger at Clinton everyone will point out he's in there too.

Trump just as guilty as Clinton who helped pave the way for fascist Trump. Cohen would go right back to Trump if he was invited.Shit people-Shit Gov. Putin/Kim drop that bomb!

Clinton was lucky that he was way before MeToo. I'm going to get flamed galore for this, but Democrats hypocritcally protected him as "one of our own" at the time.

I agree, R232. Not only that, but I think the Clintons were one of the worst things to ever happen to Democrats.

The Democrats were shut out of the presidency for three terms before Bill Clinton got elected.

And they were shut out for two terms afterwards.

And that, historically (at least in the last 75 years), has been the norm.

House oversight just passed bill to demand ALL Epstein files from DOJ. Several Re-Pukes voted in favor. They may see this as an opportunity to take DUMP down and will keep this topic churned up in spite of the fact that Johnson (under direction from DUMP) to recess the house.

This AIN'T going away and will only push DUMP to do something drastic (and possibly dangerous) to throw the scent off the Epstein saga.

The Presidency has gone 50/50 between the two parties, more or less, going back 60 years.

[quote] The Presidency has gone 50/50 between the two parties, more or less, going back 60 years.

Since Truman, almost 75 years ago.

LoL, here comes let's bash the Clintons...*again*. You trolls are really pulling out the golden oldies.

Well it would have been nice if Gore had run as an incumbent.

But let’s go back to the fact that Trump is a kiddy-diddler and a cover-up clown.

Icky at R237, nice find. Here’s a link on it from USA Today.

I thought the House was out of session for the summer.

R237 no they did not. It was a motion, by a subcommittee, not a bill. Completely separate actions and not the Committee itself.

R243 hearings and meetings continue, even if the full House is not in session. Duh.

R233 is nuts. Clinton’s election was a huge comeback for the party, after the debacles of 1980, 84 and 88.

My bad, R245. This wasn't addressed in Schoolhouse Rock.

This podcast discussion by libertarian comedian Dave Smith on Trump and the Epstein scandal is great, I think people following this thread might like it (it's live, started about 30 minutes ago but will stay up afterwards

Thanks, R248.

Can someone explain -- does this mean they will be released now or after Congress returns in September?

MIKE JOHNSON.

R250, I believe the next step is that the House Oversight Chair (James Comer, R) has to sign the subcommittee’s decision for it to become effective.

How can they just pass something when they were sent away on recess?

Hillary Clinton has been a disaster for the Democratic Party R246. You’re the idiot. She gave us Trump, she was such a poor candidate. Bill is a sleazebag. I’m surprised nobody’s talking about how Ghislaine Maxwell was at Chelsea’s wedding! Of course the Clintons were at Trump’s wedding!

[quote] Hillary Clinton has been a disaster for the Democratic Party ... She gave us Trump

I blame the Berniecrats.

You mean THE BERNIE BROS

But her emails!!

But reading the Mueller She Wrote article, the FBI has totally fucked up the process but they were trying to compile a list of the times Trump was mentioned so they can pull those references.

Thing is, whoever is implicated in the files over trafficking or child rape should face consequences, regardless of political affiliation. This isn’t about either party except for the notion that “governments could crumble” under release. This is about people with power covering up stuff.

Don't fall for the distractions. The Clintons aren't they issue, and are now irrelevant.

Trump is the issue.

If the government can protect a child rape for blackmail ring by the CIA and Israel that the whole country is aware of, then all bets are off. What kind of government rules over us? I think this is the sentiment powers this scandal, and it won't go away. If you protect child rapists, then what

Trump is more corrupt than Epstein could ever imagine.

What does that mean r262

Epstein/Israel was corrupting the whole political and economic elite, including Trump who was probably fucking teens provided by Epstein. But it went far beyond Trump

Epstein and Maxwell and the other Mossad pimps (there were several in addition to Maxwell) were providing hundreds of girls across decades

Epstein pleaded the 5th when asked if he had socialized with Trump in the presence of underage girls

Taking the fifth

I wouldn’t want to admit I had any kind of relationship with Trump.

This is one sordid mess so of course Trump was involved with it.

I hate Trump and hope he gets what he deserves.

I don't hate that Israel was raping children and using blackmail tapes of American politicians of both parties and financial and tech billionaires to control the country

It wasn’t just Bondi who told Trump he was (repeatedly) mentioned in the files. She was accompanied at that meeting by Deputy AG Todd Blanche. Together they suggested that there was “nothing to see here” and suggested to Trump that the files not be released.

This is the same Todd Blanche who’s now rushing to meet with convicted Maxwell to see what she “knows” and what she might be willing to say - - - (in return for a Get Out Of Jail card, perhaps?)).

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After seeing 20 or 30 posts on the Epstein-Israel-Mossad tangent, I wanted to understand it better. What exactly is the claim, and is it just anti-Israel conspiracy theory or is it credible?

Newsweek (of all sources) published an impressive overview attempting to answer my very question. Summary: the claim is being pushed the hardest by some bad people, notably Tucker Carlson. And yet… there’s very possibly something real to it, in the details.

Newsweek is a zombie publication used for laundering right-wing extremist views

He was Mossad.

Daddy loves me best of all!

Poor Tiffany

If Trump's perversions take him down that will be justice. Even MAGA doesn't have the stomach for it.

[quote]r271 = After seeing 20 or 30 posts on the Epstein-Israel-Mossad tangent

Check their posting history, Torta.

Yes, Torta. Nothing to see here.

Move on.

I’m embarrassed to admit that since coming back here a year ago, I still don’t know how to trace someone’s posting history. Thanks for the tip about this one, R277.

I don’t either, Torta. And it’s not something to which I care to devote any of my time.

I honestly don't know how anyone who looks into this Epstein affair even a little bit doesn't conclude it was an Israeli operation 🤷‍♀️

Many of you dumb cunts are still thinking there is a list of

FAMOUS MEN who RAPED GIRLS on EPSTEIN PROPERTIES

why would you think anyone would keep a "LIST". We already know people who ran around with Epstein.

I think what people want is PROOF of child rape. That is not a list of people who ran around with Epstein.

Does Mike Johnson realize he made a serious blunder? The national mood is let the evidence fall where it may. His getting out of dodge tactics don’t match the speed of the news cycle. August will be lots of leaking and learning.

Torta/R279, here are the steps to trace someone’s posting history:

1) block the poster,

2) go to your ignored list and scroll all the way down to the bottom (because the last person you blocked will always be at the very bottom)

3) read all of their posts to get a sense of who they are

4) if you decide they’re actually harmless (i.e., not a troll), then you can click the X next to their poster # and unblock them.

R282 whether or not there was a single list, there were extensive blackmail records . The CIA and Mossad all have the sexual blackmail tapes and everything else raided from the houses and safes after the arrest, but more importantly everything provided to them while the operation was on going. The FBI has everything post arrest

There are probably multiple accounts of Trump and Epstein sharing women at the same time.

As much as I loathe Trump I don't see him bothering with underaged girls. His type is Model/Miss America/centerfold/Barbie. Which is why he had a modelling agency and got involved in pageants.

I recall Noel Casler (who worked on the Apprentice) talking about Dump inspecting these young beauty pageant girls like he was at a cattle auction. He especially liked the blond toothy ones that resembled Ivanka. 🤮

[quote]His type is Model/Miss America/centerfold/Barbie. Which is why he had a modelling agency and got involved in pageants.

One of which was Miss Teen USA and he's been accused of walking in on the contestants (some underage) while they were changing

Trump and Epstein were swingers with a taste for young flesh. Even MTG is telling colleagues this is God’s will since Trump lied to them.

Summers used to be dominated by sharks. When is Trump going to distract us with babble about shark attacks, or killing sharks, or sharks being good to eat?

R290, yes... Michael Wolff the in-depth Epstein interviewer says the two men had such a bonded friendship because they were both obsessed and consumed with predating upon and "bagging" extremely young gorgeous models. Whether Trump liked 'em even younger is a semi-open question; it's not at all an open question, obviously, in Epstein's case.

Democrats are increasing pressure on AG Pam Bondi to testify about whether or not she told Trump that he was in the Epstein files. Multiple sources are saying she definitely did, and repeatedly. This is the top story this morning on the Associated Press website.

This might be the biggest Trump scandal to actually gain traction yet. I love it for the administration because they’ll look just as guilty as he is for supporting him and burying it for him.

Dump doesn't have any friends in the traditional way. Any "friend" Dump may have is purely transactional.

Sure feels like traction, R294. Another one, CNN site's top story this morning (Thurs): [bold]"Trump’s Epstein nightmare worsens amid new revelations and a GOP revolt"[/bold]

Don’t underestimate the loathing so many Senate & House republicans have for Trump. As soon as they see some real, appreciable downturn in his support among the base, I think they could well turn on him.

Adding to the vulnerability for Trump... we've largely become inured to his shock-and-outrage zone-flooding tactics. So while normally it should have been incendiary and jaw-dropping the other day when Tulsi Gabbard put out a baseless conspiracy theory about Obama trying to steal the 2016 election for Hillary... everybody except MAGA media just did the "oh look, some more Trump shit" eye roll in response.

It's like my friend Kim back in high school. Kim had such a nonstop filthy mouth, cussing every 3rd word... so when she really wanted to shock us all with some crude language, she had nothing left to deploy.

Also notable... some GOP Senators are getting fed up with the GOP House over Epstein and the House's decision to shut itself down for recess for the rest of the summer as a duck-and-dodge Epstein strategy. They are starting to bark about it. Probably because they have the common sense to see which party will get blamed (and rightly) when there are consequences for the House not convening for the next six weeks.

[Quote] why would you think anyone would keep a "LIST".

Because MAGA told us over and over, for years, there was one. Even Bondi said so

But Obama Committed Treason!!!

Ok one more for the morning and then I'll get to work. That Wall St Journal article last Friday about the Trump birthday card, the one that has Trump furiously and stupidly threatening to sue News Corp for $10 billion.

Attorney Bradley Edwards who has represented Epstein victims, tells the Daily Beast that there really is an Epstein 50th Birthday book, and that it's sitting right there in the holdings of the Epstein estate in Florida.

Dropping like dog turds on the ground

Trump has lost the QAnon Shaman.

LOL, I forgot about the QAnon Shaman. Last I heard he was whining in prison about not getting an organic vegan diet.

He seems well! From R304:

“People like Rick here [italic](diplomat and presidential envoy Richard Grenell) [/italic]are like psychic vampires, they have extremely sophisticated psychic genetics that have been passed down to them from their ancestors who have been practicing this black magick shit in secret for centuries,” wrote Chansley. “NOW…I know this because my mind is beyond space & time & I can see him for what he is in the higher dimensions…”

He also claimed Grenell possessed “the ability to bite people and inject them with venom that allows those subjected to the venom to become under a hypnotic spell,” and accused the Trump administration official of being part of a network “where they do homosexual rituals invovling [sic] pentagrams, sigils, candles, demonic possession, pedophilia, blood letting, blood drinking, intoxicants of every kind, sacrifices & of course worshipping Saturn/Satan/Lucifer/Draco/ai.”

R268 why are you telling us you have no problem with pedophilia?

WTF is wrong with you?

R306 - I was mocking those in this thread focusing only on getting Trump because of Trump hatred and ignoring the real issue, which was pedophilia and manipulation using child rape and political blackmail by foreign agents against the US. I was VERY angry that people were turning this thing into cheap anti Trump political points instead of looking at what is really important - child rape and blackmail by foreign government actors. It's fucking mind blowing that this was happening and everyone was going Trump, Trump, Trump. Trump is only one part . So take what I wrote in that light. Probably should have just logged off for the night

[quote]there really is an Epstein 50th Birthday book, and that it's sitting right there in the holdings of the Epstein estate in Florida.

For now.

He's not going anywhere...

It then has not occurred to you that the best chance to do something about pedophilia is to put those alleged to be involved under a laser-like focus? Let’s find out who’s a kiddie-diddler and who’s a liar, starting with the person the issue is focused upon at the moment: the President of the United States.

PS How can you say these are cheap anti-Trump points? People are pointing at Trump, the miscreant convicted sex offender who is increasingly credibly accused of pedophilia. Your post makes you sound like him - look over here (at the foreign government! At the CIA! At the Democrats!) anywhere but at the individual who is the accused.

R307, what do you care if people are (rightly) making Trump the centerpiece of their anger and trolling about his involvement in this? Are you his fucking handler?

Yes, you should have gone to bed. And then woke up and disabled your DL account.

I've followed a lot of links to Newsweek articles, r272. Not one has has reflected a rightwing viewpoint.

Is there any actual evidence that Epstein was working for Mossad, or is this just another way to blame Israel for everything including 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination?

There may be, R313.

How would you find out by shutting down an investigation?

I'm not saying any investigation should be shut down. Everything should be investigated. However, there's a cottage industry interested in making Israel the culprit in all of the mistakes made by the US.

And if those investigations find Israel was making its own mistakes by running a pedo/blackmail operation?

How do you spin that?

Then all appropriate actions should be taken, against those responsible and the country if involved. I never indicated otherwise. But again, is there any evidence of their involvement other than Epstein being Jewish? It seems to but the right and left wing trolls ginning this up, with no evidence.

It could help explain why the U.S. has so blindly and obscenely generously supported Israel's atrocities, at the expense of its own standing in the world.

Rage on, short fingers.

Sending up the white flag?

In hopes he’ll shut up?

R320 hopefully that ship has sailed.

Ugh what a corrupt and nasty timeline we are all in

ROFL, r320. That means Elon has a whistle ready to blow at any time Trump makes a move against him.

R313 R315 R317, it's not hard evidence but the Newsweek article I linked earlier, linked here again, did a good job outlining the possible points of the conspiracy theory and why it's taken hold. e.g., Epstein was extremely close with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak, and at least one of the victims has claimed Barak sexually assaulted her. Ghislaine Maxwell's father reportedly getting a head of state level burial from Israel. And so on.

I have no dog in that fight over what's true and what's total libel. I'm horrified by what Israel is doing in Gaza and I'm also deeply fond of the liberal side of the Israeli people, several of whom are good friends. I'm married to a Jewish spouse who lived in Jerusalem for three years and knows victims of Oct 2023, etc. It's complicated. So I hope the above is just a conspiracy theory. But the pieces listed in Newsweek are the main sources of fuel for it.

We now learn many Arab states are secretly supporting Israel against Hamas and Iran. Go Israel!

Not such a "secret," R324. The Gulf states have long feared Iran & its proxies far more than they feared Israel.

Inside Edition showed the video that Meidas Touch dug up of Epstein taking the 5th, 6th and 14th when he was asked if he'd socialized with Trump and women under 18.

When Epstein was arrested, I think it was Vanity Fair that had a long piece about him, had a deep dive into the bizarre Wexner connection, photos of the pages of his address book, etc. One of the things they mentioned was that he owned an apartment building around the corner from where he lived and had women/girls stashed there in various apartments. Another resident of the building stated that he’d often see Ehud Barak in the elevator and see his bodyguards sitting in the lobby.

Didn't Trump say that if you plead the 5th, you're guilty?

Just saw a report that Prisoner Ghislaine is meeting with the DOJ right now in Florida.

^^^Yes, she is currently remembering that Trump never met Epstein and that Barrack Hussein Obama was the mastermind behind Epstein Island.

Is right wing media echoing Trump’s claim that this a witch hunt, or do they seem to be turning on him?

Trump can pardon her and spring her from prison. Of course, the deal would be to never utter a word about the Epstein situation.

[quote]the deal would be to never utter a word about the Epstein situation.

She'd be a fool to consider such a deal. She'd have an "accident" within 6 months of release

Accidents happen in prison, too.

You know what wouldn't surprise me? If it turned out that there were cameras installed in the runways so Trump could get front and back upskirt photos of his pageants' contestants. It just feels like something he would do.

Andrew "I'm not gay" Weissman said that they can release all the investigative material NOW - those parts of detective interviews that mention Trump are not part of any protective order. They just don't want to release the material about him because it would be too embarrassing and he would have to step down. I'm praying for truth but losing hope.

I lost hope a long time ago. Most MAGAtS would turn their own daughters over to him to rape.

"To Jeff - you are the greatest!"

He only got me coffee that one time R339!

What’s the point of the meeting? To promise her a deal to not talk is the only answer that makes sense. Maybe not this year but after the midterms for sure.

R339 “I love you, man! No homo!” ✉️ 💋

Her life is in danger no matter what she says. I predict her "suicide"

I wonder if Virginia was suicided.

R323, it's possible that Epstein had connections to U.S. intelligence; that would explain the extraordinary effort that went into protecting him (and everyone associated with him) via the secret federal settlement in the Florida case. I'm not sure that the Bush administration would have gone to such extremes for an Israeli agent who was spying on U.S. citizens. Epstein also didn't run off to Israel to avoid further prosecution, which he would have been well advised to do.

I’m thinking they want her to give a few sacrifices. Some may be dead, but it would definitely not be Donald when his personal attorney is making the deal. Clinton maybe and Dershowitz.

R341 the point is to look like they are doing something when the are doing nothing.

Clinton could just name others. I really expect nothing because they are so under water on this and there’s no easy exit. At some point you wonder why they are helping him.

Bill Barr's father was CIA and tight with Epstein

Miss Blanche spent 5 hours with GS, and will return Friday for the climax of their gathering.

Sorry, GM. She disrobed several times during the interview.

Bill Barr was Jewish converted to Catholicism, wrote a science-fiction pulp novel featuring disturbing child rape and sex slavery while being the headmaster at the elite NYC Dalton prep school ... and then hired Jeffrey Epstein, college drop out, to teach math to New York's elite kids while hitting on his female students and creeping out students and teachers, leading to his dismissal. And subsequent hire by Bear Stearns.

Also Bill Barr's dad Donald was OSS (Office of Strategic Services), father agency to the CIA, and he helped establish the Israeli intelligence service after 1948.

Huh

Sorry the first Bill Barr IN R352 was meant to be Bill Barr's DAD (Donald). It was he who wrote the sci-fi child rape books and was in OSS and who recruited Epstein into Dalton.

Editing error

Barr was also connected to Robert Maxwell, who was involved with Mossad, and was the father of Ghislaine.

R111

[quote] Yael Ariel, one of the abuse survivors, shared: “I experienced ritual abuse over many years until my late teens and was forced to harm other children. I chose to speak out and make my voice heard. I received threats after revealing my story. From age five to age 20, I was harmed in these ceremonies.”

This is bad.

R355 here ... If they weren't just hypnotized and nothing is true. Then it's still bad for different reasons.

Robert Maxwell wasn't just Mossad

ISRAEL GIVES MAXWELL FAREWELL FIT FOR HERO PUBLISHER'S CONTRIBUTIONS REMEMBERED November 11, 1991

And he mysteriously was lost at sea.

R385 - Shortly after he looted his companies pensions, for around $500.

Where did that money go

We want to know all the dirt! You know you want to.

* sorry that's $500 million British pounds (in 1991.) This coverts into $1.856 billion 2025 US dollars

It’s been apparent for hundreds of years that grown men love diddling children. This is news?

Yeah, Clinton must know plenty about Trump and Epstein since he was friends with both. Ghislaine Maxwell was at Chelsea’s wedding, can you imagine inviting a sex trafficker to your child’s wedding? No way he didn’t know. But he’s silent. He and Hillary went to Trump the rapist’s wedding. They are silent about Trump. And people wonder why I loathe the Clintons.

Trump is sweating it. Good.

Her's a review of Donald Barr, OSS, who hired Epstein unqualified for his teaching job, father of CIA Bill Barr, sci-fi book (Wikipedia)

"Becky Ferreira has described the novel as "highly unsettling", due to its depiction of rape of enslaved people, particularly teenage girls, and other coercive sex acts. The sex acts described are performed "for the dual purposes of entertainment and controlled procreation". Ferreira found disgusting the novel's fixation on the sexualization of adolescents. She notes that the adult characters are subjected to infantilization. The novel's dialogue includes "casually unsettling observations". She cites as an example a character remarking that pederasty lacks in "aesthetic appeal". She views the novel as sexualizing minors and fetishizing rape, claiming that such elements were normalized in science fiction."

I think the biggest skeletons in the closet belong to the intelligence sector. All of them, from every country. You can’t read about much true history in the last century without it getting tangled up with them.

The media needs to stay on this. It could be our only hope of Trump getting the axe.

This is a very interesting interview from 2 days ago

EPSTEIN Was Israeli Intelligence -

Ari Ben Menashe: Ex Israeli Military Intelligence interview

IF half of the above speculation is true, then there [italic] is [/italic] a “deep state” that relies on perversions, in part, to achieve its aims; its scope and methods can’t be revealed without upending global intelligence operations; and extreme MAGAts, like the proverbial clock, are accidentally correct. . .

. . . AND, they’re demanding release of the files that’ll prove they’re not completely crazy.

Plot twist! ^

Gee, why would we suspect that the man who bought the Teen USA pageant with the express purpose of ‘inspecting’ the models backstage, would have a connection to inappropriate behavior with underage girls. 🤔

This 2017 deep dive from The Guardian on his association with John Casablancas is fascinating.

“ One of the most telling aspects of this MAGA obsession is the focus on the punishment of the “elites” who are behind it. At a basic level, the victims never really take center stage. And that is the heart of it. [bold]In the MAGA world, pedophilia isn’t a crime or abuse that needs to be stopped. It is more a legitimating tool which provides a license for cleansing acts of retributive violence and revenge. [/bold]This is what’s at the end of the story in every far-right/MAGA conspiracy: a wave of eliminationist, cleansing violence led by someone like Trump in which the bad guys, the liberals, the Democrats, the globalist elites, etc etc are wiped out.”

“Watching Donald Trump try and fail to move the news cycle past Jeffrey Epstein this week was like watching an octopus spray ink and get eaten anyway: a wonder of evolution failing with the strategy that always worked for him.”

- Conservative non-Trumper Matt Lewis, opining that the end of MAGA began in July 2025

[quote] I believe the next step is that the House Oversight Chair (James Comer, R) has to sign the subcommittee’s decision for it to become effective.

if that's the case, then I believe the next step is for someone to fake Comer's signature.

How hard can it be to forge an X?

Comer never was one much for readin' and writin'

Don't worry, Comer's got an autopen.

Correction — the octopus quote and OpEd piece in R374 are from writer Dan Brooks in Politico.

I do believe that he will pardon Maxwell in return for her silence.

If Trump pardons Maxwell (or commutes her sentence) in return for silence, which will make him look guilty as well, whatever her silence would be concealing must contain some massive bombshells. I just hope WSJ knows what those are and reveals them first. Also, I don't believe Maxwell is long for this world either way.

If Trump pardons her, she will still be a loose end. How many might be tempted to eliminate her, just in case?Truly, the person they should be eliminating is Trump himself because he started using Epstein as a political battering ram against the Clintons in 2015 anticipating that Hillary would be the Democratic candidate.

This is why I hope there are copies in multiple locations so that the truth can ultimately be told. They are behaving like there is a massive fire burning and I will not accept anything they say or do to the contrary.

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Trump has PSYCHO MELTDOWN on WH Lawn ON LIVE TV

I suppose the DOJ guy could propose to Maxwell that Trump will pardon her when he leaves office but she’d be a fool to believe that.

Occupy Democrats linked to an interesting post on Instagram Threads (I tried to find a link I could provide here but didn’t see one) about Paolo Zampolli, who brought tRump and Melania together and was also a close friend of Maxwell. Trump appointed him to some foreign service that is the equivalent of an Ambassadorsip. Yet another angle for the conspiracy nuts? Maybe someone can figure out how to link it here.

Predictably enough Trump has boomingly brought up non-GOP names to take down if this goes deeper. Notable he didn't mention Dershowitz, merely Clinton and Summers. Murdoch obviously knows he won't be able to focus solely on Trump, without so much collateral fall-out. How much he's prepared to take that risk remains to be seen.

The New Republic:

Asked on two occasions Friday morning whether he would consider pardoning convicted Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, Trump first said he didn’t “want to talk about” it and, later, made a point to note he is “allowed” to do so.

“Well, I don’t want to talk about that,” the president responded to the first query about a potential pardon. Later, Trump said: “It’s something I haven’t thought about. It’s really some—it’s some. I’m allowed to do it, but it’s something I have not thought about.”

“But you wouldn’t rule it out?” a reporter followed up, but Trump did not reply. Trump’s glaring non-answers come as his allies appear increasingly open to embracing Maxwell as a way out of his Epstein mire.

Remember when Trump used Epstein's plane to fly to campaign events last year? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

Ghizzy is touching Cheetolini.

She's feeling his 🍄 cap R389!

Their efforts to make Ghislaine look wronged is disgusting.

When Trump pardons her he'll forever be known as the pedo sex trafficker pardoner. I don't see how it helps him.

[quote] When Trump pardons her he'll forever be known as the pedo sex trafficker pardoner. I don't see how it helps him.

It won't have much impact if the 300 G of unreleased material (video/audio/financial documents) tell a different story of Dumps guilt.

and if they "edit " or refuse to release the 300 G of unreleased material (video/audio/financial documents), it won't matter if that evidence is possessed by other people also

Matt Lewis's column.

From out of nowhere a rich guy has a beautiful townhouse, gives top parties, much liquor, smokes, many young and nubile girls, no one asks questions of him. All men, nerdy or not, especially the nerdy ones on the level of Bill Gates, all want to be on his guest list. Trump will be on many if such are released. They were more than friends. Jeffrey Epstein was like a male Mme. Claude. You know Trump played there. Photos exist.

Newsmax and Fox are planting the seed in the heads of the MAGAts that Ghislaine is a victim. The warm-up to an official pardon?

They are *knowingly* defending a child rapist. They are scum.

What “rush to judgment”? There was a trial and it was quite thorough.

Scum indeed, R397.

Perhaps Maxwell will be coached to name a bunch of liberal elites and say Trump did nothing wrong on exchange for a pardon?

That seems more likely than just getting her silence.

I personally don't know any rapists.

Doesn't it seem odd that tRump knows quite a few?

CNN: Ghislaine granted limited immunity to talk to Trump's DOJ.

Uh oh. Now we are in the Twilight Zone phase. After two meetings, the Trump led DOJ decided to grant limited immunity in exchange for early release. Now they can decide who to file criminal charges against, but we have no way of knowing the validity of her stories. It's the dueling battle of the evidence, with Todd Blanche apparently still making defense team deals for money.

I dream of Trump being beaned by someone's golf ball in Scotland and not waking up.

So the smoking gun for Epstein being Mossad is that a former Israeli PM may have been a client? Does that mean that since former and current presidents were also likely clients Epstein was also CIA? Powerful and connected people from all over the world were involved in this, but somehow we have to make this an Israel-centered conspiracy for reasons well known to all.

The only online sources I see repeating these disgusting conspiracy theories are far right and far left nazis (oh, sorry..."anti-zionists"). If you find yourself agreeing with Candace Owens, it might be a good time to take a step back and self-evaluate.

The shitstain is headed to Scotland today to spend the weekend at his golf club and to attend the opening of another golf course.

He’ll get the welcome he deserves.

Ex CIA intelligence officer and whistleblower John Kiriakou (who revealed the illegal CIA torture program to the public) discusses Trump, Epstein and more in this long interview. He says there's no doubt in his mind Epstein was an Israeli "access agent."

Has "Judge" Jeanine weighed in on this?

Look how Republicans went mental over Al Franken being some huge sexual predator, and how Democrats then swiftly kicked him to the curb. And now Republicans in Congress know full well Dump is a fucking pedo and they’re bending over backwards to protect and deflect. Absolutely no morals. It’s not about children at all.

If Trump pardons Ghislaine, everyone will know he did it for her silence.

Ironically, however, if she is pardoned, she cannot take the 5th at any legal hearing about the case—say, if Congress subpoenas her

I gotta finally read Whitney Webb's two volume book on Epstein this weekend. She's been writing about Epstein and his network for years now, and there's so much to it

Title: One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein

[quote]And now Republicans in Congress know full well Dump is a fucking pedo and they’re bending over backwards...

And now Republicans in Congress know full well Dump is a fucking pedo and they’re bending over forward...

FIFY

The Trump boys are pals with the Tate Brothers, who are also rapists R400.

[quote]Has "Judge" Jeanine weighed in on this?

She would, but Judge Box Wine got an early start to the weekend.

R407 For those who have no desire to watch a long interview with some ex CIA guy, exactly what evidence does he provide to support his suspicion?

R410, maybe not, but she can still have repeated lapses of memory.

Just to be clear, when Epstein and many of his clients, including Dump, are said to have raped underage girls, specifically it's statutory rape in most cases. 18 years is the age of consent, so anything under is considered rape by law. So it wasn't necessarily forcible rape.

Many girls as young as 13 were manipulated, cajoled, whatever to seduce various clients of Epstein . So even if the young girls initiated, if the men participated they are still guilty of rape.

Why I mention this: Dump is most likely guilty of forcible rape, actual physical assault and battery. We heard the story of how he slapped the 13yr old Ivanka-lookalike, f'kd her, then threatened her life. That is so much worse than anything we know anybody else did.

So not only is Dump's name probably on the "list", he probably WINS for having the most entries, the most paragraphs, and descriptions of the worst encounters and abusive behavior. He loves bullying and loves to be brutal at it! And it's all probably heavily detailed.

Hey Don, this might be a good time to stage another fake assassination attempt. After all, you have another ear that can miraculously heal in a couple days.

As long as he doesn't wake up next to me, r409

Epstein suddenly having millions of dollars makes no sense whatsoever.

And no one seems to know how he got it

R420 That’s the key question in my mind. Follow the money and you’ll find his collaborators and clients.

Locker-room Talk.

Epstein was just a great math teacher and made bank at it

The money situation is so convoluted. He made partner at Bear Sterns after four years, is that typical? Then he did consulting, then he was involved in another company which was a ponzi scheme, and after that he hooked up with Wexner. No one is going to be able to unravel that. The pedo crimes are much simpler.

Forbes just published a good backgrounder on this — “How Jeffrey Epstein Got So Rich”.

Joe Rogan on his podcast, slamming the Trump administration for not leveling with the public at all: “Do you think we’re babies?”

Rogan has a far-reaching audience.

R424, him being a partner at Bear Sterns was probably a lie. Other sources say that he was fired for unspecified "irregularities." That sounds much more believable. Epstein was not an "investor." He was a money-launderer -- he helped a few very wealthy clients (Wexner, Black) evade taxes and he probably stole some of that money from them as well, because people who are hiding money offshore are unlikely to go to the police.

JPMorgan and everyone's favorite, Deutsche Bank, had extensive knowledge of Epstein's sex trafficking business and presumably knew all about his financial misdeeds.

Yeah, r426, the orange admin and most sane people think Rogaine and his incel cult are a bunch of idiot babies.

Gullible, willing to believe anything certain people tell you instead of doing your own “research”.

The cult bought into this bullshit conspiracy about “elite Democrats and Hollyweird” drinking the blood of kids, thanks to idiots like Rogaine peddling that shit.

Now he is starting to look like the fool he is and us trying to cover his own fat, roided up ass.

R428 - don’t think they don’t still believe they’re covering up the elite Democrats and Hollyweird. I fully believe they’d overlook anything that implicates their lard and savior. Rogan maybe $ee$ the risk in that, but I doubt his followers do.

Last night's phone call from a life long British friend who is in the upper hierarchy of their intelligent service. Paraphrase his opening line: "Peter, I can't understand why your national media failed to report what most NATO countries and Israel have known for over a decade:

Compelling evidence that Putin's KBG secured compromat information of Trump's life long pedophilia. It has become apparent to all of us that your national media lack the will to investigate because of the oligarchs who control them. Yet, the fact that the Wall Street Journal has now published information that its editors were well aware of years ago suggests that your oligarchs have decided Trump has outlived his usefulness so they are pushing him out the door so Vance can take over.

That was their plan all along because they were well aware of Trump's severe cognitive decline and the lack of any impulse control over what comes out of his mouth." My older followers might remember my posts in 2023-24 raised similar concerns from my Brit friend. Nothing new here from him except his surprise that our national media has failed us so badly.

--Prof Peter Arenella, UCLA Law, Emeritus

[quote] "Peter, I can't understand why your national media failed to report what most NATO countries and Israel have known for over a decade:

Oh bullshit. If "most NATO countries" knew this for a decade, why didn't THEIR national media report it?

Israel knew???

SHOCKED, I tell you!

Everyone, read the link at r425.

It’s just weird how he made the money, primarily from two guys who were willing to massively overpay him for financial management.

Although I believe he had cameras and microphones to record all the sordid deeds, I don’t think he used it for blackmail. I believe it was for his personal enjoyment, to watch these videos. If it were blackmail, word would’ve gotten around that he wasn’t to be trusted and that would be the end of his well-connected life. *He* knew and that was enough. Besides sex with underage girls, what he valued most was hobnobbing with famous and smart people; being able to get them on the phone.

Now his two main benefactors, Wexner and Black. Maybe there was something there. Not crude blackmail. He might have supplied ‘something’ to keep them happy or maybe he just became the son they wish they’d had.

Such a shame Epstein committed suicide if there was really nothing there

Perhaps Trump would pardon Epstein posthumously. But why would he, since he hardly knew Epstein at all. Just introduced to him once or twice by Evil Hillary Clinton.

[quote]Compelling evidence that Putin's KBG secured compromat information of Trump's life long pedophilia.

I never thought that Christopher Steele of MI5 and his dossier about Trump's Russian kompromat was as fake as Trump so sneeringly asserted. Yet he had the arrogant confidence so to do. Which indicates that Trump too has searingly compromising material on huge names he's willing to blab about when push comes to shove. And it's a dismal likelihood that given 'Presidential' access, he's been able to learn a whole lot more. It's a deeply sordid hidden face-off which might just still work to Trump's fractional advantage. As he so repulsively spewed to Zelenskyy, "You don't hold any cards." Trump depressingly still behaves as though he holds cards which will always embody his name.

Before his golf vacation, Trump said repeatedly “they should go after Clinton and Larry Summers.”

This how it is going to go down

The sick bastard had this posted on Truth Social today.

Absolutely, r438.

Heh.

Strongly worded letter incoming!

[quote]The sick bastard had this posted on Truth Social today.

The whole world knows who the real felon is.

my theory is that Blanche (deputy AG) interviewing Maxwell for two days has a number of agendas. The first and foremost, I believe, is to gather information form a defense for Dump. I believe the plan is to get enough information from Maxwell to throw the news cycle into a spin by throwing in information about prominent Democrats and others to distract, deflect away from Dumps criminality by making it so confusing for the public and by creating a maelstrom of selective narratives about Democrats who might be implicated.

He's also hoping to collect information that will help Dump blackmail people

Any journalists out there should be asking Todd Blanche the following questions

WHO created the list of 100+ people that Maxwell discussed in this two day deposition.

Was Maxwell under oath? Did she get a "queen for a day " deal as has been reported and demand release of the negotiated terms of Maxwell's agreement to speak with Blanche and the limited immunity deal she was offered.

And VERY importantly WHO ELSE WAS IN THE ROOM while these discussions were being held. Other DOJ are always in such meetings and if there weren't any other DOJ people in the room to corroborate what was said, that's a huge red flag

Having said all that, there is a VERY good chance Blanche doesn't feel great after talking with Maxwell. Dump is famous for withholding information from lawyers and staff that is humiliating or incriminating letting his lawyers "find out" on their own, what they should have known going in.

Whatever the details, this is move by the DOJ to protect Dump and use Maxwell to their advantage.

It won't end well for either party most likely because much of this information has probably been secured by hostile foreign powers and interests parties with lots of cash

R439, that made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Elmo…. If you have copies of anything… dark web, now !!

I’m going to post here what I posted in the Treason thread - no matter what happens, know that this isn’t over.

Dump and his cunts may be able to bury this again for a few months, but next summer, it’s going to come back even bigger.

They’ll shut Ghislaine up and maybe commute her sentence, but this whole sordid mess isn’t over. Next summer, just in time for the midterms, it will be reborn.

[quote]The sick bastard had this posted on Truth Social today.

More proof we have a 79 year old delusional manchild as president.

It's not even him posting, it's that fellow pissy retard Stephen Cheung.

There's no way trump dated sanatini. She has no boobs and is too manly looking!

Lol at the poster who thinks this was all for funsies and not blackmail. Trump suckled Roy Cohen's fetid tits. I think Donald liked Epstein so much, he was business partners with him and then he split and tried to do it on his own

The List is out!!

Vance was very effective against Waltz in the debate.

It would be good to have Trump turn on him publicly so they are both injured.

I'm sure Trump set those up as photo ops, r449.

Trump likely spent the entire first term going through FBI files for Kompromat on people he could blackmail. ALL of his enablers have skeletons in their closets.

Surely

Which is why he took the files with him to MagaLardo

[quote] Did Epstein traffic boys, too?

Did DJT & Epstein even know LadyG back then?

They touched my pretty private place, and I LIKED IT, r457!

Take from this what you will...

[quote] When I see Donald Trump's personality disorders (including narcissism and sociopathy) manifest themselves, the two behaviors that most jump out at me are his enormous sense of entitlement, and his overwhelming need to portray grandiosity. Any behaviorist will tell you that when someone is governed by those two traits, and they get caught or fear getting caught in something really bad, they'll struggle to put forth arguments that extricate themselves. They're too entitled. And too grandiose. This is why Trump is flailing on Epstein, it's why he acts guilty, it's why he keeps getting deeper, it's why he can't freaking believe that he cannot force-feed the narrative this time, and ... it's why he's panicking.

I’m really curious what came out of those interviews with Ghislaine and her box of evidence. How can we trust anything when the crooks are not n charge. Trump can sue, jail and accept bribes so our system is destroyed.

Sorry, are in charge, being a lawyer means nothing now if heads of government make deals with criminals.

They'll make her an offer she can't refuse.

Azaelia Banks' take, confirming once more that she's a garbage human being.

Still waiting on Azelia's self euthanasia that promised a few years ago

Do we know if Jizz-Layne is still alive after talking to Dump's henchmen?

Suffocated with a plastic bag over the head but they'll say she slipped in the shower.

I’m wondering if it was all a waste of time. She has no credibility so unless they have evidence it’s unlikely they would investigate anyone based on her memories.

I'm sure she knows

Did she love Epstein? How did she feel when he fucked all the other whores? I always wondered about women like her, they gotta share a man

Keep up, R468. This cunt was recruiting girls for Epstein and herself to use. She was often present, fondling the girls while they serviced Epstein. Those girls, being underaged, were raped.

She waa perverted. The media shouldn't shy away from using that word.

Azaelia Banks? Grow the fuck up.

R468, when they first met he was very taken by her but she didn’t give him the time of day. Then her father died and she and the rest of her family were left completely broke. Becoming Epstein’s official girlfriend and procurer suddenly looked like an acceptable gig.

This is. all filthy business. Keep her locked up and throw Trump in the same cell with her.

[quote]Then her father died and she and the rest of her family were left completely broke.

When her father died there was a sudden absence of a powerful monster in her life, so she stuck with what she knew and filled the momentous gap with JE.

She's a sexual predator as is Trump. Get them out of my face!

Was she socially stymied because she looked like a big ol' lesbian? Ghislaine had the misfortune of looking quite rough at any age.

I remember reading the charging documents in decades ago...the young girls described Epstein with an egg shaped penis and many of them were horrified LOLOLOL

For entertainment purposes only, Hearing a rumor (for what i'ts worth) that Todd Blanche Deputy AG who improperly had a two day meeting with convicted sex trafficker G. Maxwell is NOT happy with the results and what he learned.

Seems that (surprise surprise) Maxwell does not trust Donald Trump and is not responding in the ways they expected. Some people say her lawyer ( an alleged close personal friend of Blanche's) is also expecting to get something out of brokering this deal and they didn't anticipate that. Also for entertainment purposes only it's being said that Blanche knows that Bondi is on the way out and was told if he pulls off sealing up Maxwell's lips on Don the Con, he will be the next AG. when they dump Bondi. Twitler is apparently furious with Bondi.

Poor Pam Bondi. Maybe if sacked she can seek solace with Jeff Sessions & Bill Barr.

Fuck that Bondi bitch.

That cunt has been criming for the thugs for decades. She was state AG when Dumbya and SCOTUS stole Florida in 2000.

I believe she was also AG the first time Epstein was “prosecuted” in Florida after The Miami Herald blew the lid off the pervert ring.

She’s up to her lie hole in this sordid cesspool and I hope she fucking drowns in it.

Pam Bondi was AG of Florida from 2011 until her appointment as US AG BY Trump and her subsequent confirmation.

Epstein’s first prosecution was in 2005. She was not the Florida AG in 2000 for Bush vs Gore.

Another for entertainment purposes only rumor/speculation: Part of Blanche's strategy in going into this meeting was that he had been made aware that Maxwell and Trump have something in common (apart from child rape and child trafficking) BOTH Dump and Maxwell do not want the "Epstein files" released because of the reputational and criminal exposure both face in the event these files are made public. They were hoping to make a deal with her on that basis, but allegedly didn't this didn't get settled.

It’s weird that the DOJ apparently had never interviewed Maxwell before….

Why does the DOJ go interview the women who were raped as teen girls?

R483 she was a felony defendant. Epstein was already dead. In what universe would she “cooperate?”

To cut short her sentence?

Dummy—after the trial it’s too late!

There’s always a pardon or commutation to cut short a sentence.

Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris was the one involved in the 2000 election.

When she ran for the Senate, Jeb, Karl Rove, and W looked the other way. Hahahaha.

Katherine Harris was the one who always looked like she applied her clown makeup with a spray gun, right?

The point was if she had something to offer, it would have been presented long ago.

R490 Katherine Harris was also a coo-coo religious nut with ginormous tits. I remember Laura Dern played her in Recount, pancake makeup and quoting the Bible.

Florida has always attracted nutty right wing loons, Rhonda and Pam Bondi are just more in a long line of corrupt Florida Republicans.

I mostly remember Katherine Harris for one of her cable news appearances where she clearly was showing off her recent boob job. It's so SNL worthy but I don't think they ever went there

Sorry it's not better quality but Jesus! Who stands that way?!

R493 Aww, RIP ugly Alan Colmes. He was one of the decent ones on Fox.

Ha!

Alan Colmes might have been a nice guy, but he was a milquetoast foil who served as a doormat for Hannity. The only reason he was hired by Fox is that they could claim they were " fair and balanced" without hiring anyone who would actually stand up to the bloviating Hannity.

I watched r493 without volume. Was she slurring her words? Cuz, Jeebus, she looks like she's triple and quadruple dipped into her post-surgical painkillers.

From Hardball, an SNL clip of Ana Gasteyer as Katherine Harris.

Back then Joy Behar said Ruth Buzzi could play her.

Trump can’t escape Epstein because Trump was an accomplice for at least 15 years. Plus he’s not delivered on the economy. Tick-tock

R500 Yeah baby! That's what I want to hear.

But it seems he will, R500.

[quote] county prosecutors also charged Yager with five drug-related felonies: possession or use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone and testosterone; sale or transportation of trenbolone and testosterone; and possession of drug paraphernalia

There are still hundreds of kids missing from his first administration when they stole them from their parents and didn't even bother making so much as a spreadsheet to keep track of them. How that isn't a scandal I'll never know

Violations of the trafficking in persons act if someone would actually enforce it.

[quote]Pam Bondi. Maybe if sacked she can seek solace with Jeff Sessions & Bill Barr.

Pics please.

“Trump in Rage Mode as Epstein Storm Refuses to Die Down”

Similar piece in Washington Post, might not be paywalled: “Trump fumes as Epstein scandal dominates headlines, overshadows agenda”

[quote]Despite his frustration, Trump has been hesitant to make personnel changes, according to another person close to the president: “He does not want to create a bigger spectacle by firing anyone,” this person said.

Damn, R508! That's hilarious!

When That Man is Dead and Gone

If Trump pardons Maxwell, I predict the does Diddy and maybe even R Kelley at the same time to blurr the effect of just doing Maxwell, while claiming the Democrats are the real child predators which is what at least half his base believes, not like he can run for reelection again, hopefully. Maybe throw in a Jesse Jackson Jr pardon.

Keep him filled with rage.

"I never had the privilege of going to his island."

Interesting choice of words. When did the island start operations?

Trump biographer Michael Wolff alleges that Epstein “knew” Melania well.

R514, Epstein bought the island in April 1998. At that point Trump had known him for at least a decade.

Trump setting the stage my saying he has the power to pardon Maxwell.

Well, now she's asked Trump for a pardon AND she's asked the SC to throw out her conviction. I'm betting they will, to protect Trump from having to pardon her.

America! Where child molesters and human traffickers are always welcomed!

Just don't ask for a slave-wage job picking produce in the blazing sun, you deviants!

Trump didn’t have to go the island because he just went to Epstein’s house. I’m sure Jeffrey and Ghislaine gave him anything he wanted.

DOJ had urged the Supreme Court to REJECT Maxwell's appeal. When will it change its tune?

Of course, if the knives are out for Dump, I'm sure the right wing cunts on SCOTUS have already discussed Maxwell's appeal with Rupert Murdock, Jaydine, and the tech bros that want Dump gone. They might prefer for him to give the pardon, further enraging the conspiracy MAGAts.

1) Of course Dump is a pedo and rapist, this has been known basically since 2016 but fucking MAGATs still voted for him.

2) Core MAGATS will support him regardless. They love all this Obama, Clintons, Harris distraction shit.

3) The only way he'll be removed from office is if he dies.

Pardoning Maxwell would be akin to pardoning Epstein.

Right wing media has started to portray Maxwell as a victim, making it easier for Trump to get away with pardoning her.

Absolutely, r526.

there are so many layers to the Epstein story and scores of people at various levels of involvement an exposure to criminal and or reputational damage. Maxwell allegedly told CBS 60 minutes producer Ira Rosen that Epstein had tapes of Trump AND Bill Clinton. Rosen's story (told in his book about 60 minutes) is that Maxwell told him that Epstein recorded EVERYONE including Dump and Bill Clinton, but, he says, she refused to help him obtain the tapes. Why? Not to protect Dump, but because she wanted Hillary to win in 2016 and believed that if you "do trump, you'd have to cover Clinton as well" or something to that effect.

Trump may never have gone to Epstein's Island, but why would he when the girls were brought to him? He's also afraid of tropical environments. All this will come out because there are more people at this point in history who have seen those files and videos (or at least read the evidence index descriptions) and some of those people will either monetize what they know or out of more altruistic agendas come forth with the truth.

The death of Virginia Guiffree has radicalized some of the former victims and if they come forward with depositions, it will be hard to ignore

Ghislaine RUNS to SCOTUS and demands URGENT HEARING

If he doesn't croak in public how long will they try to keep the death secret while machinations go on behind closed doors? He's not like former Soviet leaders who governed privately and weren't seen daily in public. It was easy to dissimulate their absence. Not so much for a man as needy as Trump.

I saw a video of Clinton getting a regular looking massage years ago. If he was stupid enough to do that then who knows what else they have on him. They should release it and it will just make it even more believable there's stuff on Trump too.

I could see the assholes working with him using AI and angry, all caps Living Social tweets for a few weeks until they get whatever they want in order, in order, after his death.

[quote]They should release it and it will just make it even more believable there's stuff on Trump too.

How so, r532?

Thought this might interest some people following this Epstein's post... (it went up 2 hours ago, and is still live)

"I’m Nick Bryant, the investigative journalist who shared Jeffrey Epstein’s “little black book.” Ask Me Anything!

They were both there.

I still think he was a partner in all of this. Nobody talks about his modeling agencies. Which is an interesting thing for a president to be involved in. Even without the sex trafficking angle

[QUOTE]Trump may never have gone to Epstein's Island

Didn't Lolita Express manifests place Trump on the plane seven times? Or were those flights elsewhere?

[quote]Of course, if the knives are out for Dump, I'm sure the right wing cunts on SCOTUS have already discussed Maxwell's appeal with Rupert Murdock, Jaydine, and the tech bros that want Dump gone. They might prefer for him to give the pardon, further enraging the conspiracy MAGAts.

You just know Uncle Clarence took trips to that island and would love for this to all go away

[quote]You just know Uncle Clarence took trips to that island

Along with Ginni.

R519 On what grounds is she appealing/requesting the conviction be overturned, do you know? I'd be curious what the argument for overturning is going to be and what citations are used to bolster that argument. My research hasn't been able to locate anything that shows that info at least not yet.

I agree R537, This was posted in the comment section of the AMA referenced at R535. The question was not answered by the AMA author.

"I wrote about Trump and Epstein back in 2019 (and recently compiled those posts here: A Retrospective on a Conspiracy 6 Years Later). I was re-reading them and this passage from a 2016 Mother Jones article stood out to me:

"Kate, who worked for Trump Model Management in 2004, marveled at how her former boss has recently branded himself as an anti-illegal-immigration crusader on the campaign trail. “He doesn’t want to let anyone into the US anymore,” she said. “Meanwhile, behind everyone’s back, he’s bringing in all of these girls from all over the world and they’re working illegally.”...We’re herded into these small spaces,” Kate said. “The apartment was like a sweatshop.” Trump Model Management recruited models as young as 14. “I was by far the oldest in the house at the ripe old age of 18,” Anna said. “The bathroom always smelled like burned hair. I will never forget the place!” She added, “I taught myself how to write, ‘Please clean up after yourself’ in Russian.”

It would appear that Trump was importing underage Russian models to live in his properties at the same time as his friend Epstein was involved with underage girls.

Has there been any concerted effort to track down who was "working" for Trump Model Management, what they were doing, and where they are today? There should be records, etc., no?"

R526 - 'xactly like it.

Someone keeps bumping old posts and adding several new weird ones. Are they trying to bury the Epstein posts?

R544, it’s a tactic that has been used here before.

This is the first I'm hearing of Clarence and Ginni being swingers R540. 🤮

r529 here, Just want to expand a little on what I wrote upthread

[quote]All this will come out because there are more people at this point in history who have seen those files and videos (or at least read the evidence index descriptions) and some of those people will either monetize what they know or out of more altruistic agendas come forth with the truth.

The very real possibility here is that those DOGE creeps, having been recklessly given full access to any an all of the US Government's documents, accessed the DOJ's records on Epstein. Also possible that some of them are using it to blackmail Dump. Keith Olbermann posits the same theory in his podcast today, basically saying Elon is blackmailing Dump.

Have a listen to Olbermann's podcast for his full explanation

Every time a politician or judge bends to Trump I always think wtf twisted shit does Trump have on him? I hope when Trump's out on his ass he spills it all.

Some speculate that Elon is working either with or for Putin, and Putin is putting him up to threaten Dump.

Dump f'kd up a few weeks back when not knowing about Ukraine's surprise attack. (love you VZ!!).

Not only does Putin no longer have use for Dump, he's now more of a liability than ever! Time for him to be dispatched as partner P Thiel is holding Jadine in the wings.

[quote]This is the first I'm hearing of Clarence and Ginni being swingers [R540]. 🤮

Many people are saying, r546.

Ginni's pussy smells like rotten clams!

So off Ghislaine gets that pardon, will she the become a Fox News personality and have her own show by 2028? Or a travel show on The Discovery Network as she flies to destinations around the world picking up young friends, "Heavy Traffic with Ghislaine".....

Don't you think he already got those tapes destroyed the first time he was president?

Remarkably (ain’t technology grand!) tapes can be copied, R553.

[quote] Don't you think he already got those tapes destroyed the first time he was president?

Those tapes are probably in the possession of several other individuals and very likely in the possession of hostile foreign countries and allies alike as intelligence product.

If you are going to blackmail the richest most powerful men in the world, as Epstein intended to do with those tapes, you don't make just one copy and store them in one place.

Don't rule out the possibility that some of these rich perverted billion+Aires have secured their own tapes and or those of rivals and enemies.

The Epstein files are made of over 300 gigabytes of data, paper, video, photographs, and audio that live within the FBI’s main electronic case management system. The DOGE team made up of ketamine fueled 20 somethings and Elon Musk had unfettered access to ALL of it, with no supervision for weeks. Do the math.

The other thing to consider: Dump had no reason to believe the Epstein case would dog him in 2016. He's been mentioned to the FBI by Maria Farmer in 1996 as a co-pedo of Epstein's and nothing had happened to him yet. 330 G of video and audio material is basically the size of a city library+. Dump had REAL intelligence people at that time and they weren't about to go on a "flag his name" mission as Bondi was more than willing to do.

Bondi may really come to regret her role in this. He's blaming her for everything

R555, let's hope you're right. Some things do stay buried and the FBI may have been pretty watertight -- they were ready for DOGE and not about to get steamrolled like (e.g.) the Dept of Agriculture. But hopefully you're right, and copies and backups exist.

The more truth floats up to the surface from this, the better, long term.

I hope you’re right about the multiple copies of everything in different hands, R555. The sad part is children being sexually abused in this political game of quid pro quo. If anyone has any kind of evidence, and just an iota of decency, they’d put some sunlight on all this. In the back of my mind, though, I know it will never happen.

Good point R557. I think a lot of us are ready to use whatever we can get as the "gotcha" that might finally take Trump down.. but underneath it all, it's sick stuff and those Epstein/Maxwell victim statements (and there are many) are difficult to take in.

r556 here, Completely agree the victims are almost being treated an afterthought and we all need to be at least AS concerned for their welfare as we are with removing the cancerous Donald dump and company from our politics.

Keep in mind the Epstein case COULD be easily and successfully prosecuted using ONLY THE FINANCIAL RECORDS.. none of the victims privacy has to be compromised.... Following the money could easily put all the same people who raped children in jail, without the exposure to the victims

She will be pardoned with the approval of the Republican Congress, life will go on, and the whole thing will be forgotten, as the public will get bored.

Santa Claus is a white man, kiddies. That's just the way it is.

[quote]In the back of my mind, though, I know it will never happen.

With this live thread constantly to hand, and keeping in mind the article about Trump being more rattled than ever, I watched his press conference from Scotland yesterday (couldn't look away). I had to admit that this was not a man you could plausibly describe as rattled. He held court as though he was host, which as it was from his golf course he was. Starmer next to him looked like his PA, not the PM. Without any shift in tone Trump batted away questions about Epstein, saying he'd never been to the island, but Clinton had over twenty times. Such overconfidence is of course repellant, but let's see what the next news cycle brings when he's back in his gilded palace.

It's that overconfidence, coupled with his preternatural stupidity, that leads him to say there's no such thing as energy storage (i.e. that batteries have never been invented). Or that he's made bananas free (down by 100%) or that importers are paying consumers to take bananas home (down 400%!) If only the media would call him on it. I suspect he'll say more egregious, crazy stuff as time goes on and his diseases progresses.

^ He's been saying untrue, nonsensical shit for years now and the media are just his stenographers. It's seldom that he's called out on it, but GOD FORBID if Hillary, Biden, or any Democrat mis-speaks or gets a fact wrong-'It's a front page headline from the NYT.

He used to do it more cagily and not say illogical things in the same breath. In other words, fact checking is much easier and actually demanded by these statements. Versus the usually inconsequential BSing which was his schtick before he ran for office. The media did call him out on Obama's birth certificate, but that seems to be where it stopped.

He seemed to get away with confusing Harlem and Harvard, no?

He's constantly saying gas is down to 1.99 a gallon. It's not even controversial to ask, "where?" You'd think someone would be a hero and give any kind of pushback. It's like he has footage of every reporter's cell phone data

Starmer is a major disappointment (and I had high hopes for him.) He managed to outBlair Tony Blair.

So Trump's most recent excuse is that Epstein stole workers from Trump and that's why they had a falling out. No one asked the obvious follow-up: what kind of workers? Trump probably had his own pedo ring going

Orange Grandpa was rambling on and on yesterday about nothing substantial. His senility is showing.

[QUOTE]No one asked the obvious follow-up: what kind of workers?

Virginia Giuffre was one of them. She worked in the spa or locker room where Maxwell "discovered" her.

Michael Wolff has said he is in possession of 100 hours of tapes in which he interviewed Epstein. Only a fraction of these tapes have been heard by anyone. They are circumstantial evidence because it's all from Epstein's perspective but Wolff says he talked extensively about Dump. Prior to Bondi's big fuck up, the interest wasn't sufficient from media figures to make a deal with him.

Wolff is now claiming there is renewed interest but remains skeptical he can make a deal with a major news org

Business Insider's Legal Correspondent:

The "four people": Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Tulsi Gabbard, Lindsey Graham.

[quote] Wolff is now claiming there is renewed interest but remains skeptical he can make a deal with a major news org

Translation = Wolff is asking for too much $$$

CNN:

Jeffrey Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell has offered to testify before Congress, but with major conditions, including immunity, according to a list of her demands sent to the House Oversight Committee by her attorneys.

House Oversight Chair James Comer subpoenaed Maxwell to testify next month. In a new letter sent to Comer Tuesday, Maxwell’s attorneys said they initially decided to invoke her Fifth Amendment rights, but then offered to cooperate with Congress “if a fair and safe path forward can be established.”

She knows she can get a pardon out of dump.

Wonder how much she’s gonna lie or omit facts?

However it works out, Maxwell will live the rest of her life always looking behind her back.

[quote]The "four people": Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Tulsi Gabbard, Lindsey Graham.

Ha, very true. only 3 of those people can actually read though. Gabbard is a "read it to me" type.

Having said that it's impossible to believe any one person has read or viewed 330 gig of data, including video, audio and documents related to financial transactions that were created to cover the REAL transactions ..etc.

Someone should ask Bondi, how she can credibly say what is in the evidence when thousands of agents spending 24/7 without training in document search couldn't get through it all in a month

[quote] Maxwell will live

She will eventually be pushed out a window or "commit suicide."

Let’s go to the tape!

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Trump confirms Epstein "stole" Virginia Giuffre. He doesn't care about the sex trafficking part, just the fact Jeffrey "stole" his 17-year-old worker.

R583, this is one of the most insane things that Trump has ever done. He had a cover story for his breakup with Epstein. The SECOND explanation put out about why they fell out (over real estate) even seemed vaguely plausible. But in front of the cameras today he had to admit that it was about young spa workers; he even named Virginia Giuffre. Someone should ask him if he’s really the Zodiac killer. He’s out of his mind.

On a MAGA Holiday

I couldn't load the politicalwire story. What did it say?

Anonymous: All show, no go.

[quote]I couldn't load the politicalwire story. What did it say?

"A child sex abuse survivor from Palm Beach County who testified at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial in 2021 said she had met Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in the 1990s when she was 14 and was once a contestant in Trump’s Miss Teen USA beauty pageant,” the Palm Beach Post reports.

Thanks, R589.

Ain’t that the truth, R588. All the hands that have touched these files and nothing to show anywhere?

Anonymous needs to stop making videos bitching about shit and start hacking Elon’s brats and dumping that shit on the dark web.

They certainly know how to do it, don’t they? Or is it a just a group of poseurs, trying for clicks?

The later, R592

Is someone going to start a Part 3?

Ask and ye shall receive

My hero, r595/Dustin 😘

Is Melania Trump clean concerning the Epstein saga. There’s that modeling agency both Epstein and Trump we’re running.

Epstein didn’t snatch those Trumpettes from Mar-a-Lago. Those gals are now in the late seventies, eighties, and into the nineties now. Most of them are wealthy on their own.

Melania's "modeling agent" was friendly with both Epstein and Trump.

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