Epstein Files situation seems to be heating up

Damn, pretty bold of Mike Johnson. He's such a constant coward and serf. I wonder if more is going on behind the scenes than I had thought, and he's trying desperately to send up a flare.

If any files are released they will have been thoroughly scrubbed of any Republicans.

Is it anything to do with “true believers” against pedophilia or are they just trying to proactively save their ass? I think it’s the latter.

Moses Mikey and GQP are worried about the midterms. They want to throw the cult a bone without actually doing anything about the Epstein files because they know Dear Leader is all over them.

Oh and MAGA podcast douche Charlie Kirk is flailing and now reversing his reversal, i.e., not dropping the story.

I figured out a while back that there are no Epstein files if by that you mean a list of people he forced his "sex slaves" to service. Epstein was a disgusting perv who took advantage of silly young girls, but there is very little evidence that he ran some sort of sex ring. Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison because she was convicted of trafficking girls to Epstein. Even if there were only one underage girl involved, it would still be a crime.

Damn, it's all unraveling so quickly. Love it.

Get cracking, bitches. Somebody better be throwing together a list of clients, although that will probably all fall apart by Monday when, surprise, surprise, it's all Democrats from the Clinton Administration and, well, that's just not selling Mr. President.

Sounds like it's time for the Israeli plan B, limited hangout

[quote] But on Monday, [Charles Kirk] said, "Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm gonna trust my friends in the administration, I'm gonna trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it, ball's in their hands."

Don't look now, Doc, but I don't think they're solving it. On the other hand, balls in their hands sounds about right.

[Quote] but there is very little evidence that he ran some sort of sex ring.

Suuuuure, “Badger.”

I suspect that many GOP reps/senators loathe Trump. He’s completely emasculated them (including the women) and makes their lives hell. But they have to suck his dick or he’ll destroy them.

I think this stupid scandal—and it’s incredibly stupid but marvelously delicious—is the excuse they need to start turning on him. I’ve long suspected that if his imbecile supporters started to turn on him, they’d relish the opportunity to do so, as well.

I doubt anyone thought the scandal would escalate so quickly. But makes sense. It’s the cherry on top of his broken promise sundae. We’re bombing Iraq, supporting Ukraine, which he said wouldn’t happen. Inflation is up. Job market is fragile. Eggs remain highly priced. Then there are the tariffs and the destruction of our relationship with allies. They’re even upset about his cruel immigration tactics. Epstein represents all the lies the merrily slurped up during his campaign.

I’m loving every goddamned minute of it! I highly doubt this will bring down his presidency, but the cracks in the foundation will be very difficult to repair.

R12, that’s some great (and scathing) analysis of it all. Thank you!

I don't believe Virginia Giuffre, who lied about a lot of men.

Fergie? Stop.

[quote]Oh and MAGA podcast douche Charlie Kirk is flailing and now reversing his reversal, i.e., not dropping the story.

What a cuck!

I’m really enjoying seeing all the fraud fall apart. Their dear leader was best friends with Epstein. They couldn’t go on much longer thinking that Trump was an innocent party. And now they finally see he is part of the “deep state” of elites.

[quote] Epstein represents all the lies the merrily slurped up during his campaign.

Worse. They all, collectively invented these lies, and turned them into a core part of their religion. That's what makes this all so dangerous. This ain't the usual shit, where Trump just giggled his way through lies about Haitians eating pets and immigrants killing everyone in sight and whatever the fuck he was saying about the "Biden crime family."

This was a whole damn thing in the fever swamps, their reason for living, their sacred cause, SAVING THE GODDAMN CHILDREN FROM THE RICH PEDOPHILES. He can't just do his usual shit here. They ain't about to just let it all go.

The entire QANON cult is based on Dems being pedos.

God I wish for everything to come out and the whole evil rotten thing lay exposed

So who is on this list? I suspect Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Bill Richardson, and Les Wexner.

I don't think Trump is on the list because the Biden team would have leaked it.

I have a feeling it is Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and other very very high ranking people. I think Trump and Bondi understand this, as you can't control the Beast this will release if everything is exposed.

Please try to sound a little less desperate r22. You're not helping.

I don’t think there is a list. But there are probably names littered all through the investigation files. Most of them have already been mentioned in prior news stories including all the ones mentioned here. Supposedly there are several affidavits from victims naming their abusers.

It might not be a literal list — probably more like a hodgepodge of the starting pieces of an investigation.

As such it’s likely Trump is in there but not explicitly incriminated, but even just being in there is potentially politically damaging.

[quote]Epstein was a disgusting perv who took advantage of silly young girls,

This is a remarkably offensive comment. May I assume you're one of DL's resident misogynists?

Trump was Epsteins bestest best best bestie for years, and no doubt fucked underage girls on Epstein Island. I do agree there probably is no list, per se, but all kinds of files and all kinds of incidents and he's all over that shit, no doubt.

I think it will be hard to determine who exactly went to the island and who didn't because he met with so many people.

Some, like Ehud Barak, who used Epstein as a financial advisor will be on the flight log and is most likely innocent, while others like Woody Allen, who have reputations for being creeps, are probably sex clients and went to the island.

Bibi nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize for doing this. Epstein was working from Mossad. Maxwell’s father had an Israeli state funeral. She’s also connected. Epstein had no education. He had ties to all these VIPs thanks to the Israeli government and he was blackmailing them. His so-called hanging is something Mossad has pulled off countless times like Russia throwing opposition out of windows.

*for

True r28, and on top of that, apparently they would fly to St. Thomas and then take a boat or a helicopter to Epstein Island, so flight logs are going to be very ambiguous. I doubt they can track down boat logs and private helicopter logs, if they weren't fudged or nonexistent to begin with. I suspect it does come down to victim affidavits and witness statements and that kind of thing. But there's always, or often, something, some little forgotten clue that tells a bigger story, some receipt, some comment, some missing few days here or there. As I said, not sure there's a "list" but there are definitely files and records of some kind.

If I was Bondi, I would appoint a special counsel to investigate.

If you were Bondi, r32, you wouldn't. It's not like anyone in that circle of crooks wants to actually know the truth about anything. They want to figure out the best way to cover it up, and appointing a Special Counsel would not be the way to go on that.

Oh look

This is distracting from what is happening with ICE and inflation and the economy, and the impact of the tariffs and his Big Beautiful Bill. That's all. And Johnson would have never said that if he had not cleared it with the White House. These people are so entirely corrupt and dishonest, but they are very good at Theater. Hegseth withheld weapons and resources for Ukraine and didn't tell the White House? Really? Putin has 50 days? LOL! Netanyahu is pissed off at Iran. Trump is trying to placate him. Iran is an ally of Russia. This shit is circular. It's bullshit. We can be entertained by it but please do not let it distract you from the shit mess we're facing.

It's the only part of the shit mess they actually care about r35. This is absolutely not planned or set up as some distraction from other things. This is the shit they are terrified of, the shit that actually pisses off their idiotic base. The rest of it is actually more like the distraction. This is the problem as far as this White House is concerned.

It *does* seem trivial and stupid, but anything that weakens and undermines Trump's base or breeds mistrust among his supporters is hugely valuable, because his power to do whatever he wants re: ICE, tariffs, etc., stems from the unthinking support he gets. When Joe Rogan starts voicing doubts about (a) the Epstein issue and (b) ICE at the same time, that's pretty potent.

Didn't Ghislane say there were tapes? Or was that a fever dream I had? Or am I mixing Epstein up with Hef? There's got to be something out there, somebody knows.

I have a feeling a lot of the analysis in this thread so far is just cope because we feel so powerless and so we're grasping at straws to feel hopeful.

Personally, I'll wait for the midterm results first to determine how much (if any) impact this has on the GOP. As for the impact on Trump, he couldn't care less, he's on his second term anyway and has free reign until January 2027. Assuming they lose the House or the Senate, which isn't a given at all.

The damn list

Oh, he cares r39. He cares. It's really starting to piss him off, especially since his desperate and stupid attempt to just ban all discussion of it has fallen apart. I'm not sure what effect it will have next year, but for now, these cunts are terrified, as are their whores and grifters throughout the Cultosphere.

There was a list of all the people Epstein socialized with or flew on his private planes. But there is no direct evidence that they partied with young girls. Plus the names have been out for years including Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew etc. What would be new information?

Let's Gooooooo

[Quote] I don't believe Virginia Giuffre, who lied about a lot of men.

Yes I think she was lying too, “Badger.” She clearly was just in the neighborhood and just happened to wander into Epstein's home at the precise moment a photo of Prince Andrew was being taken.

Ever the gentleman, Andrew gracefully included her in the photo.

These things happen!

I'd hate to be Epstein about now.

I think The Israelis are going to have to put a bullet in his brain and bury him out back, toss him under some Gaza rubble in a mess of Palestinian women and children

Oddly, Virginia Giuffre worked at Mar a Lago, for Trump, in the spa, when she was "discovered" by Jeffrey and Ghislane. Hmmm. Sure it means nothing, because nothing means nothing, ever, when it comes to Trump and Epstein.

Sociopaths don't commit suicide when faced with prison time. They're all about self- preservation: they fight. They become obsessed with appeals, retrials, new evidence, etc. Casey Anthony, Elizabeth Holmes, Harvey Weinstein, Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Puffy, O. J., Lori Daybell, R. Kelly, the Menendez Bros... how many of them have attempted suicide?

R22, and if Clinton were on the list Trump would have done a press conference announcing it.

But now Trump is claiming that Hillary and Obama just made up the list.

If that doesn’t tell you something it should.

He was murdered. He would have murdered Bill Richardson or Les Wexner if they spoke out.

Rep. Thomas Massie introduces a bill:

"We all deserve to know what’s in the Epstein files, who’s implicated, and how deep this corruption goes. Americans were promised justice and transparency. We’re introducing a discharge petition to force a vote in the US House of Representatives on releasing the COMPLETE files.

A discharge petition is a procedural tool for bypassing leadership. In 7 days we can start collecting signatures. At 218 signatures, the House must vote on our bill requiring a full release of the Epstein files.

If your Representative won’t sign the discharge petition, ask why."

Well damn. Something else about Massie, he's kind of becoming Elon Musk's guy. He's getting money from Musk but also getting floated as a possible candidate in Elon's (largely fraudulent, but still) brand spanking new political party. I don't know that that party will ever actually get off the ground, but I do think Musk is pushing Massie at this point, and that includes pushing this Epstein stuff, for now.

We’re just friends

Epstein Summer

Well, the millions of dollars Andrew gave her weren’t fake.

Priceless that Spacey's waded in, naturally provoking memories of his sitting on thrones at Buckingham Palace next to Ghislaine Maxwell. This post-modern decadence will run and run.

Kevin Spacey?! I had no idea he was named as a visitor to the island. This is turning out well for him at a crucial time when he needs all the free PR he can get.

It is delicious to see him lose control of his base. He's become so used to being able to make proclamations and have the base, congress and even the Supreme Court yell, YES MASTER, bit now he thinks he has the power to tell them to shut and it turns out, he doesn't have that power with the NOTORIOUS EPSTEIN LIST.

Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable, which then have massive geopolitical implications.

If Elon helped himself to any files, including photos and videos, he needs to casually dump that shit on the dark web already.

Awkward JD Vance tweet from back when he was anti-Trump and willing to condemn everyone connected with Epstein.

“Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring?” Vance wrote in 2021 on X. “And then that guy died mysteriously in jail? And now we just don’t talk about it.”

The Democrats should start chants of “release the files of Trump’s best friend!”

Can Democrats (theoretically) sign this discharge petition?

[quote] Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable, which then have massive geopolitical implications.

ילדה חכמה.

It's a nice boomerang on Trump for his birther nonsense back in the day.

Well now that the big bullshit bill is passed Trump isn’t really needed anymore.

If I were Trump I’d be paranoid that this whole thing was JayDine’s (and Thiel/Musk/Yarvin) move to get rid of me and make Smokey eyes the incumbent dictator.

(I certainly think that there are tapes and that Trump is in them, but the could have kept on postponing indefinitely. Saying there is no list makes no sense.)

Ha! We need someone like Hilary or Obama to agree with Trump and tell him to NEVER release the files and we must all move on. MAGAts would storm the capitol again looking for those fucking files

Hand-jobber Lauren Boebert suggested ( with a smile) that a Special Counsel be appointed and that it be Matt Gaetz. Serving cunt or serious?

[quote]...he doesn't have that power with the NOTORIOUS EPSTEIN LIST.

Plus this'll put a nice big dent in those preposterous hopes for the Nobel Prize. Recently kept alive of course by Bibi. Hilarious when Trump met Rutte the other day and the Felon went into a monologue about all the wars he's recently solved. Apart of course from those very big ones. So yes, unsettling times for prize-hungry Trumpy. Prepare for more desperate would-be distraction.

Hillary could destroy Trump right now by saying “Thank you Donald for safekeeping the JE material as we have privately discussed and agreed. It is for the best, as you, especially and personally, well understand.”

Why does MAGA embrace sexual predators like Trump and Gaetz? They are all up in arms about Epstein but in denial about Trump and Gaetz. I don’t get it.

Another "interesting" detail...

The GOP are jackals who will eat their own young

Nobody cares. Everyone not only knew Trump was a pedophile, but that he probably had Epstein killed in prison. ALl this was common knowleddge even among brainwashed cultists.

[quote]Trump: I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going.

Because bad people do generally tend to be drawn to boring stuff.

Didn't the Republican House vote unanimously to block thev release of the Epstein Files, yesterday? After Mike Johnson said they should be released? (yawn.) What really get me is the way the Media is hyping this whole thing.

Anyone expecting to make political hay out of this is going to be majorly disappointed.

Trump could be caught in bed fucking an underaged girl and no one would bat an eye. Hell, in certain circles, it would only make Trump more "manly" and "virile."

It's a distraction

I hope it goes on for months. They have put themselves in a corner and they can’t get out.

R73 you could not be more wrong.

And this child rape political blackmail affair is not going away

Fair point R76… but with Trump, he’s 79 and soon a political lame duck, and he is obviously slo-mo collapsing, cognitively. People are sensing an upcoming Trump-MAGA power vacuum, 2027 at the latest, and very possibly sooner. This Epstein thing feeds into that dynamic.

His base won't desert him over Epstein. Now some of the Extreme Right Media machine may be disappointed t hey have been deprived of this so called list of names so they could do their casket dance over Jeffrey Epstein, and exploit the sordid information, but the MAGAs who also knew about Trump's propensity for assaulting women and saw all those lawsuits files a few years ago including by someone who was 13 at the time and claimed he raped her, and how his teen beauty pageant was a "farm club" for pedophiles, those MAGAs don't care. They feel like this is re plowing the same ground and they are not at all concerned.

r75 r76 r77 r78 r79 r80 r81

R82

Dump is freaking the fuck out. The lady doth protest too much.

They need to tell Trump to keep the files secret because he loves to go against what people tell him.

Wow. He’s losing his marbles over this. Good job.

Maybe this will be the thing that induces a massive stroke!

He's pretty much throwing his supporters under the bus. Or should I say his "PAST supporters" which he doesn't want anymore?

Who knew that Epstein might be Trump's Waterloo? (or at least his kryptonite)

He’s clearly all over the files and he’s preemptively discrediting them as “fake” even though it was his own Justice Department and FBI who investigated and incarcerated Epstein.

It was Comey!

I'm sure glad America didn't elect that colored lady!

Trump is fighting too hard against the release of files. His Truth Social posts are long and meandering.

Something’s up.

[quote] I don't think Trump is on the list

No, R22?

Wow, Trump posted he doesn't need MAGA's support anymore! Wow, I never that he'd go in THAT direction. This might be where he starts abandoning his base and says "fuck it." He's out to protect himself. He doesn't give a shit about those trashy supporters (surprise surprise).

So, what does he do now that his supporters aren't following ordersand letting this go? Will he make up a bunch of shit about other people and release that? Bondi would happily go along with it...

Trump is now Nixonesque as when early tremors of Watergate rattled the White House...

It's possible even MAGA could figure out that Biden, Obama, Comey and Hillary would have themselves released the documents they faked.

[quote]Trump posted he doesn't need MAGA's support anymore

That's exactly what I was going to say. As long as he has Congress and the Supreme Court behind him, all his supporters can drop dead. Unless he's going to try to run again in 2028, which I don't think he will at this point.

And as far as the mid-terms go, yes, there may be a bit of re-shuffling, but in general, voters tend to re-elect the person already in the seat. Unless there is some really compelling reason to vote for someone they don't know, they will vote for the person whose name they recognize. So Trump doesn't really care about his supporters vis-à-vis the mid-terms. He believes he has it in the bag.

So, just like Roy Cohn taught him, he'll repeat the lie until it becomes the truth. I mean, it's worked for him many, many times before.

To think that anything will ever come from this shows a lot of naïveté.

Guess they all fear Musk and Bannon more than they fear Trump.

Either way, they’re motivated by cowardice.

But...her emails.

Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz says in today's WSJ that there's no client list and no incriminating videos. He say's he's positive. Epstein "never worked for any intelligence agency" and he has "seen nothing that would suggest anything improper or even questionable by Mr. Trump."

And we all know how credible Dershowitz is.

Did he write that while being massaged by an underage escort?

I ONLY GOT ONE MASSAGE FROM AN OLD RUSSIAN LADY!!!!

When Hegseth was nominated for Sec Def. the media went ballistic on him, exposing his drunkenness, his bimbos, and a other scandalous behavior to demonstrate he was the wrong guy for the job. Why has no one looked for dirt on Bondi. She is a mediocre lawyer at best. I want to know what she is hiding and who her "sponsors " were. There's financial dirt too.

"It is delicious to see him lose control of his base."

Turd no longer cares. He bilked them out of their votes and doesn't need them anymore. There will be no more elections as the Trump Dynasty (Don, Jr., Barron, etc.) take over in 2028.

R105 Bondi is odd. She used to be frumpy, but now she has the MAGA-Fox News look.

[quote]She used to be frumpy

Hunh? I've been living in FL a little while now (where she was attorney general for 8 years), and I have never seen a photo of Bondi where she looks "frumpy."

I'm certainly not defending her, but I'd love to see her looking frumpy. Show me!

r106, his spawn will not be taking over.

Bondi looks like Tori Spelling's less attractive sister.

R108 I mean she used to be a little chunkier and not as "well made/put together" as she does now. She attached pics.

R98 In general, the party that holds the White House loses seats in Congress in mid-term elections. Given the current six-vote majority the Republicans have in the Senate and a seven vote lead in the House, it won’t take many flipped seats to bring the D’s back. It’s not like Republicans aren’t giving voters reasons to vote for the Democrats a year from November. 2025 and 2026 is going to be a rough year for a lot of people.

Inflation’s returning and will take off in the fall when the tariffs hit, unemployment’s rising despite Trump’s minions cooking the books, Medicaid funding has been gutted - something that affects a lot of white folk in Flyoverstan states - and the recent polling says Americans are disgusted by Trump’s ICE goons, even Republicans. The Epstein thing may or not matter, but it seems to have piqued MAGA’s interest. Trump lies. They’re learning.

Excellent analysis R12 and I agree. A lot of MAGA have been quietly waiting for an obvious off-ramp, and, well, sex trafficking and the fucking of children (and the likely blackmail that resulted) is a significant enough scandal for them to take the exit. Many of the super-brainwashed still desperately need a savior, though, and Trump remains that for them (in addition to "Jesus").

People keep saying "list" when what is being silenced/hidden are the FILES. Not just a black book or lengthy list. Files include paper or e-folders of various photos, spreadsheets, videos, any forms of communications, and so on. Anyone who has worked in legal and has gone through the discovery phase knows that there are extended definitions and categories for Requests for Production demands. Continuing to refer to this potentially massive treasure trove of disgusting stuff as a "list" is kind of stupid at this point and more befitting the simplistic workings of the MAGA mentality.

I think Trump was the Epstein. The Trump modeling agency, the pageants, the underaged spa workers and caddies. He's up to yeti pubes in this shit

Yes, R47. And if someone like Epstein is in the dangerous position of having dirt/blackmail on people who are powerful because they're extremely wealthy and politically connected, are you stupid enough to only have originals? Anyone heard of a Dead Man's Switch? Although, in this instance, the switch(es) are likely in the hands of other nefarious individuals or groups otherwise everything would have been leaked by now. Something else to consider in view of all the claims that anything leaked could be "doctored" or AI or edited is that yes, that capability definitely exists for those tactics to be used. However, those tactics are also easily detected when used to manipulate. Almost anyone can suss out an image that's been photoshopped, AI-enhanced, or modified.

R59 - Musk just landed a contract (aka was bribed) for something like $200 million via this administration. Massive amounts of money do more to shut someone up than threats of violence these days.

The best I can do is talk shit about Jerome Powell

I guess if Ghislaine is released, then we'll know.

Such a disgusting worm of a man.

I'm waiting for someone else to mysteriously die.

r11, check Badger's posting history.

I want to be excited about this but have given up that anything will ever bring him down. Except death.

It's so weird that Trump keeps angrily denying these are important and worth exposure, and yet when they broke as friends, Elon Musk publicly said Trump is named in them. the news reports keep omitting this latter fact, and Trump seems to think everyone's forgotten--but of course no one has.

[quote]It's so weird that Trump keeps angrily denying these are important and worth exposure, and yet when they broke as friends, Elon Musk publicly said Trump is named in them.

Sometimes we need to take a step back and remember that we're actually talking about a 'President' in this gruesome tabloidesque context. We know Trump is a swamp of dysfunction, corruption, and mental illness. But he's almost normalised all this. Three more years of this sordid chaos? Surely not sustainable...

Those QAnon freaks (remember them?) must be in full meltdown mode.

I listened to this podcast series on Epstein last night in preparation for an interview he's giving tomorrow. It's long and in-depth and very. fucking. disturbing.

I learned a lot about child sex trafficking rings that I didn't know. It made me take this Epstein shit a lot more seriously

It may not seem like a big deal to US - those of us who have been paying attention for the past decade and know the harm that is slow burning through this country because of this goddamn traitor and his enablers, but it IS A HUGE FUCKING DEAL to maggots.

Q maggots especially are losing their shit over this. For the last decade, Flynn (Q) has been nursing these nutters and stringing them along regarding “pedos” and that fucking traitor exposing “the elites” who drink the blood of children.

You cannot feed people bullshit for a decade, promising them vengeance on the people you claim are responsible for their misery, then suddenly jerk the rug out from under them and say, “nothing to see here” and “shut up about this!” Without them having a psychological breakdown.

There are tens of thousands of these nutters out there. Many of them attacked the Capitol on J6 and served time for it. Now you think they’re going to “move on”? Hell no. These people are fucking nuts. They aren’t going to “move on”. They may even turn on you.

Here’s the thing, Dump ginned up a bunch of these nutters who rarely voted with promises to expose the “pedo elites”. Now he’s turned on them. HE may not need their votes anymore, but the rest of the thugs most certainly do.

The disappointed and frustrated maggots will stop voting and the thugs cannot afford to lose any votes at all.

The orange traitor may not give a fuck, but his enablers and the other GQP fools care very much.

BTW, R111 -- if you think [italic]that's[/italic] frumpy, you need to spend some time in PA Dutch Country.

The QAnon nut jobs aren't as plentiful as the average, run of the mill MAGA idiots. The latter are the ones who think Trump is a God and will stick with him until the end. Don't believe for the second the Trump cult will completely come undone. They'll gladly pay $6 for a tomato and and somehow manage to scrape up enough coin to replace their sun-faded Trump flags.

I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing. Shut the fuck up about it

[quote] I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing. Shut the fuck up about it

Always an effective tactic, Ms. Streisand.

The podcaster R127 linked to, Darryl Cooper, is a serious conspiracy nut and MAGA troll, posting about the Great Replacement theory on Twitter (sorry, X.)

I've been checking in on Twitter ro see if it's tru that he MAGAt base is turning on him. I was surprised, that a lot of them are done with him. Plus Elon has been trolling him non stop. The fires are real and they are still burning.

On what planet do you think if they released the files Trump's name would appear in it anywhere, even if it did? The only people who know what is in it are loyal to him. If democrats had it, they certainly didn't say anything about Trump being in it. This is all theatre. All the usual suspects will say RELEASE IT - then of course they will, and Trump's name This is only to clear any doubt. He will release it sans his hame and say he was protecting the other people on it.

That's wonderful news, R134! Keep it comin'.

R133 maybe listen to it then you can shit on it

I like fires.

Thanks, R137. I'll put it on my reading/listening list, right next to "Mein Kampf" and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

R139 ok shithead.

You do that.

The MAGA people are into conspiracies, they voted Trump because he was an outsider elected to expose the Swamp, to undercover corruption, to be the guy who actually said the truth and not the typical political answer.

I think Trump hiding in the files pisses them off. They can argue no Russian collusion, Antifa was at the BLM riots, and that there was a vast conspiracy to overthrow Trump in 2020, but PEDOPHILA is the line they cross.

Gosh, it sounds like I'm defending them. I'm not, but I know several MAGA people.

This is Trump’s “shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.” Actually, it’s beyond that, since no one would care if he shot someone, anywhere. He’s declaring war on MAGA and he probably doesn’t even realize that yet. You can’t push aside the Epstein investigation and attack the base who have wanted it investigated exhaustively.

R47, people facing criminal charges commit suicide all the time. Ever heard of Herb Baumeister?

It's not a "conspiracy."

It's a child rape for political blackmail ring run by the Israelis with the probable cooperation of other western intelligence services.

Trump himself has said that all press is good press unless you're called a child molester.

R105, there was some stuff in the news about her taking $$$ from Qatar

R111 Pam Bondi was a former chubby gal. That explains a lot as to why she's such a nasty, mean girl cunt.

[quote] Pam Bondi was a former chubby gal. That explains a lot as to why she's such a nasty, mean girl cunt.

That also explains a lot about many people who post on DL.

Dump still has Kitara’s support, so that should give that fat ass some comfort.

Has anyone checked on Lindsey or is she drinking again?

[quote] is she drinking again?

AGAIN? When did Lindseybelle stop?

Release all the information and let the people decide.

Will the Streisand Effect now be known as the Epstein Effect?

Yes, r152, please.

Another piece of all this -- not so long ago (June 5 to be exact), Elon Musk tweeted out to the entire world that he knows for a fact that Trump is in the Epstein files. It provoked a tidal wave of confused reaction across the far right and the "bro podcast" universe... and they have not forgotten it.

Musk quietly deleted the tweet a few days later under what had to have been massive external pressure. But he has never recanted it since, nor has Trump ever claimed that he's not in the Epstein files.

... and now today Musk shivved Trump again on X:

"The old:

"1. Admit nothing 2. Deny everything 3. Make counterclaims

"But it won’t work this time"

Time for another impeachment. The 48th president may take office sooner than expected.

Even that arsewipe, Jaydine, is secretly loving this.

Awww, thought those two crazy kids were gonna make it after all r155.

Maybe not.

I've been checking on Free Republic (and taking mental salt baths afterward) and there's a schism occurring there too. Not widespread because most Freepers are really brainwarped, but it was satisfying nonetheless to see it in small doses.

I really, really hope this is MAGA's Don't Look Up moment, where they see the comet and realize they were lied to all along.

Then again, they are a cult of followers so I'm still skeptical. At the least, if a third of them are pissed and refuse to vote for GQP, that would be fabulous.

r141 - It's not just pedophilia. It includes murder or at least the appearance of negligent homicide from the POV of the mark. My knowledge of this is hazy, pieced together from the least sketchy sources.

Epstein worked for the Israelis and had side hustles with Russia and other state actors willing to pay. The whole thing was set up as a rich man's sex club; Epstein's townhouse was close to where many worked or visited for business reasons. At the beginning, after proving he was adept at this "trade" at Dalton, the Israelis set him up at a hedge fund. Men would deposit money with Epstein to access Epstein's townhouse. The townhouse had girls in their teens, mostly - say 14-17. But he would take requests for children of either sex. That's where the real extortion happened.

There are many side stories, like Barr's father's connection to Dalton, how he got the townhouse for free from the founder of the Limited, etc. How Ghislaine came into the picture. Those aren't part of the critical path.

[bold]The point is that Epstein, who started in the 80s, grew his business along with globalism. As more and more foreigners went to NYC, they wanted to visit the Townhouse. So Epstein moved his hedge fund to the British Virgin Islands, part of the burgeoning offshore tax havens. [/bold] Now, the men needed to deposit at least $100 million to use the services. At this time, they also got the private island to avoid scrutiny, but also to SELL the illusion of safety. Some men, like Prince Andrew, also projected a semblance of safety.

The key point is that Trump was part of the whole thing back in the 1980s; he provided girls, too, through his pageants and fake modeling agencies. He threw parties at his properties. He was an extension of Epstein's entertainment world.

[bold]Because entertainment was how the customer saw it. [/bold]

The good times were rolling until Putin came along. [bold] It used to be people like Roy Cohn, or the Koch brothers, asking for favors with a wink and nod - "I know what you do, I do it, too." A good example is Trump (as President) finagling two state visits to Buck Palace, by promising to do nothing about Andrew. Perfect example of the type of blackmail on the fringes of Epstein's world. [/bold]

Putin was playing for big stakes. He managed to get one of the principals the presidency, and he wanted nothing less than to reorganize the world order. [bold]Bill Barr realized that this little game had to end, because by now 40 years after he started, Epstein had miles of tape of powerful people doing unspeakable things with children, up to beatings and murder.[/bold]

[bold]Epstein crossed a line when he went from heading an exclusive Adult Sex with Minors Wonderland to blackmailing the president of somewhere with tapes of him raping and killing a child while on drugs. [/bold]

Somehow, MAGA knows about this. Maybe because, except for the deportation porn, everything else Trump is doing is difficult to understand, but this they can understand. They have people like Epstein in their worlds.

There's a whole other faction of MAGA that is absolutely ripshit angry at Trump for going back on his "America First, America Only, no more being the world's policeman, Ukraine is corrupt anyway so why should I support them at all?" position of the entire 2024 election cycle.

That was an important aspect of their support for him. Now he's saying the US will in fact help Ukraine with military $$ and equipment ASAP, and he's got this brand new realization that Putin is bad, etc. This is anathema to that faction of the Trump/MAGA base. Marjorie Taylor Greene has been going off about it.

So all of this is quite ill timed for Trump.

His winning coalition was always built from different groups with very different, even opposing, interests: oligarchs, poor white trash, MAHA conspiritualists, QAnon loons, MRAs, fellow grifters and criminals, and other social misfits. It was just a matter of time when some issue was going to start causing a rift. When you promise so many incompatible things to so many groups of people, you can only distract them for so long.

I listen to NPR. That's one of my news sources. This morning there was a comprehensive discussion about Medicaid and how the cuts will impact hospitals and healthcare in general. They asked some Conservative Trumper representing some vague "policy institute" to comment and all he wanted to do was say fraud every other word. Callers sent messages saying fraud happened with insurer and providers not patients so why not increase the budget to monitor them. He stuttered and stumbled. There was also data about the underserved. The application process is designed to discourage people from participating. The Trumper said the Biden administration was so eager to increase enrollment they enrolled people who were not eligible and that was a kind of fraud. Anyway, it was a great discussion I learned a lot. Also listened to a feature about the foster care system in the USA. a few other things about the economy. No one mentioned Epstein. Epstein isn't real news it is sensational tabloid bullshit. Yes he was a pedo, as was Trump. But for the past 10 years we have heard every horror story imaginable about Trump. He has been sued and convicted. He's a fucking felon. A thief. A predator. If news comes out that he was Epstein's BFF and they chased girls together., his base will not give a fuck. Even if they do, they will still support his agenda.. Trump and the MAGAs all hate the same people.

r18 --

[quote]This was a whole damn thing in the fever swamps, their reason for living, their sacred cause, SAVING THE GODDAMN CHILDREN FROM THE RICH PEDOPHILES. He can't just do his usual shit here. They ain't about to just let it all go.

That's it in a nutshell!

Even if there incontrovertible evidence that Trump had sex with children, what percentage of his supporters even care?

Would enough MAGAts in power even care enough to try to get him out of office?

R164 NPR is about as trustworthy as the NYT at this point (which is not at all). Manipulated programming, interviews, and callers. They're simply another instrument of propaganda, slightly less partisan flavored than mainstream media or the selective mouthpieces/puppet media used by the Dems, GOP, or MAGA/Conservative outlets.

Some more info (Free)--

[bold]Deconstructing the Epstein Myth: What MAGA Got Right About the Stakes

The dark ecosystem that created both Donald and Jeffrey: A conversation with Stephanie Koff about the world beneath.

There's always something. In Trump's case, the string that needs to be pulled is his time on The Apprentice and the people who "knew him then." When he wasn't protected.

The BBB has passed. Do the DC Republicans even need Trump anymore? Seems like they'll let the base slightly turn on him while another lunatic asshole is groomed to replace him. JD Vance ain't it.

[quote]Even if there is incontrovertible evidence that Trump had sex with children, what percentage of his supporters even care?

I think they will. Like someone above-mentioned, it won't force him to resign, but his soft power over the base will wane. The question is, has his dictatorship progressed to the point he doesn't MAGA anymore?

The problem with that, R169, is: once Trump's "big tent" dissolves, the GOP is back in 2012.

The MAGA faithful will believe it is FAKE NEWS and part of the DEEP STATE conspiracy, if evidence ever came out that their Leader had sex with underage girls or very young women.

I refuse to get excited about the end of Trump. I've had my heart broken too many times.

[quote]The problem with that, [R169], is: once Trump's "big tent" dissolves, the GOP is back in 2012.

That would be interesting, I concede.

You’re not going to read much about this in the mainstream media (NPR, WPost, NYT, etc), which is all pretty well controlled. But on social media this is huge and people are very invested in it

This is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone try to drag Russia into the scandal. It’s an Israeli operation.

R161 is unhinged, but dang, that's one exciting read!

R144 that would be interesting, given her and Jeffrey may have had some connections with Mossad.

[quote] Seems like they'll let the base slightly turn on him while another lunatic asshole is groomed to replace him. JD Vance ain't it.

And that's the thing. The rich and the "leadership" and the various clowns and doofuses swirling around the Cult will get together and try to pick some jackass as the "next Donald Trump" and fail miserably, because like the rest of us they really have no idea how this mediocre, crazy clown managed to inspire an entire cult. They'll throw money at the problem, they'll hire all the right shitheads, they'll create just the right messaging strategy that everyone around the table can all nod their heads at, with full approval from the AI bots, and then the whole thing will fall flat.

The thing we have on our side is that the whole monstrosity is so phenomenally stupid and ridiculous that it can't be artificially recreated.

That's exactly it, R179. Part of it is that Trump has long been a WWE-flavored pop culture buffoon with $$$$$, and with enough of a bio to fool enough people into thinking he's a super-smart and super-skilled businessman who earned his wealth.

None of the would-be heirs to Trump have that bio or that long known WWE-flavored loud and comically-self-aggrandizing pop culture role. Whenever they try, they miss the mark.

Whoa! She prosecuted Maxwell, too.

Looking worse by the minute.

What a shame we don't have some sort of flavored coffee to celebrate this moment in our life!

Maurene Comey, federal prosecutor in Sean 'Diddy' Combs and Ghislaine Maxwell cases, fired: Sources

^Good the spelling of her name really irks me.

The Wednesday Night Massacre

So basically he’s saying Ghislaine was convicted based on faked evidence, then? If so, she’s got one helluva lawsuit to file.

Maurene looks like her father if he transitioned.

Apparently he wanted to pardon Ghislaine in his first term, and was talked out of it. Just go ahead and do it now, you demented old freak. Just admit it, you loved everything that happened at Epstein Island and don't even know what the crime is. Just admit you are all for the sexual exploitation of underage girls and stop even pretending, you disgusting old rapist.

[quote]I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing.

[quote]It's not a "conspiracy." It's a child rape for political blackmail ring run by the Israelis with the probable cooperation of other western intelligence services.

Some people are really invested in making this about Israel somehow. But the reason Trump is having problems with his base over this now is not because of Israel (his supporters all love Israel). It's because they are prone to believing bizarre QAnon conspiracy theories in which there are hidden pedophiles everywhere. With Epstein, they happen to have found a real one, and they think he's the tip of the iceberg, and they're not going to let it go at this point. They're the ones driving the story.

[quote] If I was Bondi, I would appoint a special counsel to investigate.

Trump would fire her so fast, he doesn't like special counsel investigators he can't control.

R190 probably because it was an Israeli sex blackmail operation 🤷‍♀️

Rumors floating all over political social media today that something big and ugly and legal is about to drop.

Probably more nonsense, but a girl can dream.

I think the files will end up leaked by this weekend.

[quote]something big and ugly and legal is about to drop

Trump out of a window?

Hope so, R194, and hope they’re the real ones.

Didn’t Anonymous tease some sort of info would be “made available” at the end of July?

Not that I put much stock in that, but it’s a thought

Trump should pardon Ghislane just to show he doesn’t care about this. Then we could say MAGA RIP.

The Donald fall in love with me at first meeting.

He say I have the poosey of a 12-year-old.

Imagine if he steps down tomorrow? There's that floating around too.

Are you all ready for President Maybe it's Maybelline?

lol, r202.

I’m hoping the fired Comey daughter gives interviews to media about the Epstein files. She has to be careful but she probably could give a clearer picture of what’s in them and whether Trump is mentioned. I doubt they made her sign an NDA and as a former employee she has a lot of latitude to speak freely as long as she doesn’t violate the sealing order.

[QUOTE]something is in the wind in DC. Rumor and "what've ya heard?" messages are slamming.

Also from Twitter:

[QUOTE]@TheRickWilson. Tick tock. Rumor mill in DC on overdrive for last 6 hrs

As a Federal employee, Comey's daughter isn't bound by any NDA.

What r12 said!

Adam Kinzinger pulled a lot of Trump sleaze chronology together in his Trump/Epstein piece on Substack earlier today.

Nice job by Adam!

I feel like I owe him a great fuck, R209.

R205, what the fuck is he talking about???

R128, funny you brought Flynn up. What a missive.

[quote] Some people are really invested in making this about Israel somehow.

It is and the guy who broke the Epstein story agrees.

So what if he is on the list? Let's say it is released and it says Trump was his number one client. What happens to him?

[quote]@TheRickWilson. Tick tock. Rumor mill in DC on overdrive for last 6 hrs

Is Rick Wilson the Louella or the Hedda?

Flynn is such a psycho. Epstein was into adolescent girls under the age of consent but not children. That’s a serious crime but it’s not the crime of being a pedophile. I don’t get why the MAGA nuts are so invested in crimes involving sex with children.

DJT will escape all this. He always does.

Thank Merrick Garland for the ongoing mess.

I found this article interesting but it is so hard to know who and what to believe.

Flynn was, and maybe still is, a Putin asset.

It’s fucking nuts that this—THIS—is what’s making his imbeciles turn on him! I can’t begin to catalog his many crimes against humanity in the past six months let alone in the 80 years of his miserable life. But it’s the lies about Epstein that set off this exodus.

I thought they’d forgive him, as they always do. But now I’m not so sure. Nixon was elected in a landslide in ‘72 and impeached in 74 because the GOP turned on him. And all because of a coverup—not the crime.

And now he’s freaking out because he’s losing control of his evil monkeys. And they’re beginning to wake up to all the other crap he’s pulled on them.

Don’t underestimate vicious cunts like Ted Cruise and Tucker Carlson and others who want to be president. There’s blood in the water and I’ll bet anything they’re circling in for the kill. They want to get rid of Trump and Vance to clear the way for their run.

R226 - According to author and child abuse researcher Nick Bryant, who was the first to have access to Epstein's infamous black book (which he spent years trying to get published ) and who has been investigating Epstein since 2015, there were girls under 10.

Under 10 .

This video with him and leftist and former NYTimes journalist Chris Hedges made today is worth watching

The mental gymnastics. 😵‍💫

Hamster wheels within Hamster wheels.

A respondent on Rick Wilson’s thread:

[quote] Heard one congressman say it’s rumored that Epstein files have pics of Trump with topless girls. Are you hearing this?

Geez, those “girls” were Rudy Giuliani and Lady Lindzebelle in drag who DJT told to take off their blouses off.

Ugh! Giuliani bewbs

Let the record show, your honor, that nobody has ever asked Rudy or Lady Lindzebelle to remove their blouses!

How did a 10: year old get to Epstein’s house? Why weren’t their parents prosecuted if this were true. Maxwell cruised the high schools. but the girls were old enough to get themselves to Epstein’s. That’s not the case for a 10 year old. If this even happened.

I do think there's a fair chance this will kill his presidency

Is that you Mr. Dershowitz at r227? You might want to sit this one out, sir.

Epstein’s was a monster but some people seem very invested in creating even more vile scenarios:than the actual reality. Similar to the Diddy case where his sex parties supposedly included children but no evidence of that ever turned up. This is especially common among MAGA conspiracy types.

One indicator: the usually Trump-fawning New York Post is sinking its teeth into this with more tenacity than I’d have expected.

Let's not get our hopes up.

R231 It’s bad when you’ve lost Miranda Devine.

[quote] How did a 10-year-old get to Epstein’s house? Why weren’t their parents prosecuted if this were true. Maxwell cruised the high schools. but the girls were old enough to get themselves to Epstein’s. That’s not the case for a 10-year-old. If this even happened.

There weren't that many 10-year-olds to begin with. You have to consider 40 years of Exclusive Sexy Wonderland. Yes, there were some 10-year-old girls and boys. But most were teenage girls, I think they aged out in their early 20s.

My understanding is they were by request. So, probably sourced from the underground kiddie sex trafficking world and were delivered to wherever the bacchanalia was taking place.

Some of the takes I've seen

- There are no Epstein files - There are files, but they were altered by the Democrats, so releasing them would be playing into their hands - The files exist and are authentic, but releasing them would destroy the country, so we can't do it - Epstein wasn't an intelligence asset so it doesn't really matter - Even if the files exist and it's all true, Epstein didn't really do anything wrong because if he didn't traffic those girls, someone else would have - The girls weren't that young and people are blowing it out of proportion - This all happened so long ago, it's time to move on

Although many would relish the idea of Trump being caught on Epstein’s island with his pants down, that’s not what’s driving this.

The driving force has been his team’s ironclad promise to unmask Deep State pedos and bring them, and America, back to Christian Justice. In their view, Trump is the flawed agent of God’s deliverance.

But if the Deep State is able to cow even Trump into abandoning his sacred quest, then all is lost. America is doomed. Christ has died again on the Cross and will not, this time, arise.

It is only the clamor of their protests; like children urgently clapping for Tinkerbell, that keeps their hopes alive.

Has anyone posted this? I had to go and find it on Truth Social and the responses from the MAGA cult are BRUTAL! His MAGA supporters are very unhappy and they are not holding back from telling him so. I am genuinely surprised.

Michael Flynn is a complete traitor to this country. He invented conspiracy theories that make him seem like he’s in the no because he was a general. No he’s just a bitter old bitch. He tried to lay down cover for Trump in that tweet so hard and it will work because he makes Trump seem like he’s this genius Machiavellian god-like savior who’s dodging real and figurative bullets from all sorts of really bad people. It’s so bad no one would go near a Hollywood script like this. They are really invested in Trump for some reason. It must be the whole he has on his base. I wonder if that goes away if they try to find someone else and Trump gets sacrificed.

^in the know

NewsMax is taking potshots at FoxNews for being so obeisant to Trump and avoiding/downplaying the Epstein files.

I'm going to try linking Trump's Truth Social post. It's worth taking a few minutes to read the MAGA cult replies. I'm genuinely surprised by them.

⬆️ Didn’t work R241, non-registered visitors cannot see replies, but I’ll take your word for it! Seen similar observations today from people on BlueSky.

You know...the rumor of Dondon resgining is, well, insane, but I can imagine what kind of shit GOP congressmen are getting from their MAGA constituents right now. And how congressional republicans are looking to save their butts.

OK thanks for letting me know R242. Sorry about that. I have never seen anyone link to Truth Social on DL so wasn't even sure DL would allow me to link.

Basically the comments are the MAGA cult bashing Trump and saying none of what he says makes any sense and that he's lying to them and that this is the hill they will die on. They demand the truth and they want proof. They are REALLY angry and feel insulted by that tweet (or whatever it's call on Truth Social). Out of every 50 negative comments there are 1 or 2 supportive comments. I checked some of the posts and these are proper MAGA accounts with lots of followers/posting history so they are not fake bot accounts. It's all very surprising.

Trump must be heavily involved in the Epstein situation otherwise they would release all the files yesterday. Delicious!

Wait—Newsmax is following the story and calling out Trump? I thought they were even more conservative than Fox and worshipped him. I don’t watch either network, but repugs in my flyover state are always watching Newsmax.

[quote]Wait—Newsmax is following the story and calling out Trump? I thought they were even more conservative than Fox and worshipped him. I don’t watch either network, but repugs in my flyover state are always watching Newsmax.

That's how confused the situation is right now. However, Newsmax isn't calling out Trump to any great extent — they're calling out Fox News, no doubt for ratings.

[quote] The mental gymnastics. 😵‍💫

It’s a legitimate, logical question to ask why if there is evidence that implicates Trump, did Democrats not release it before the election. The people who should be asking the question are Democrats, wondering why info that could have prevented him from winning wasn’t used.

R245 Newsmax is indeed more right-wing extremist than Fox. Trump has angered their far right listeners/viewers with his recent pivot on Ukraine, and now this.

Trying not to hope for too much here, but the chances of a deep MAGA fracture have never been better than they are right now.

It’s so typical that people in the bubble first create and tout fiction, like that conservative media will be blindly obedient to Trump and would never turn on him, then people act surprised that the fiction turns out not to be true. It was never the case that conservative media wouldn’t criticize Trump. There’s no surprise whatsoever that such media would be critical of Trump if he strongly moves in the wrong direction on an issue.

A few comments from Truth Social

Russia was kicking Ukraine's ass yesterday. Bombed 4 cities, killed 15 people. Going after the energy grids. I'm gonna start calling him Vladimir Netanyahu.

Nobody believes you r249. Nobody in the bubble or out of the bubble or right or left or black or white believes you for five seconds that the right wing press has been some independent force when it comes to Trump, until now, and very tentatively. You should drop this line of propaganda, because it only makes you look like a moron. Propaganda always depends on having some kind of believable premise. This particular brand of nonsense does not, and you should know that.

R247 it doesn’t matter because that question is a distraction in the deflection. Trump is obviously acting very guilty. And perhaps more information came to light after he became president. Maybe they looked too far and actually found something very incriminating on Trump because I do believe people in the FBI would absolutely protect Trump if he was in the files. maybe the Biden DOJ didn’t know about Trump‘s involvement. The FBI has been called out many times for being pro-Trump. it’s why they go after the FBI and the media and every other institution they need to deflect attention from the fact that they’re actually pro them and against Democrats.

JIZZ-LAYNE!

Nature is healing

Elon asks Grok a question

[Quote] Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable,

Hilarious if true. Israel is committing ethnic cleansing against people whose land they want to steal, in a particularly ugly and cruel way. That’s fine.

But god forbid some pervert is a secret service asset. END ALL SUPPORT NOW!

WTF are you talking about r257. Secret service asset? What the fuck are you talking about. He was a spy raping girls and pumping them out for Israel

Support for Israel in both parties in the US is at historic lows because of the genocide. People HATE Israel except for boomers and Zionists

I can't figure out your point

[quote]There was a leak of cell phone tracking data on that island. Can you correlate that with the individuals who visited the island?

Instant equivalent pre-internet image of Bernstein and Woodward in 'All The President's Men' in a vast library, going meticulously through paper documentation. Which devotion ended well.

That Elon thread keeps going. His most recent question to his Grok AI:

"What’s your best guess of where the video and pictures Epstein took of the rapes are located right now?

Where should we look or who should we ask?"

He has 220+ million followers on X

Maybe Trump will resign if the pressure increases.

Gosh

Musk and "big balls" were rooting around all the file cabinets in every department in the US govt, so I'm rather astounded that he hasn't produced them and published them himself.....

R261, that would require integrity.

MAGA, R216, is invested in child sexual abuse because so many of them have been affected by it,

Gavin doing some expert trolling again...

R227 you think Epstein had limits on who he’d fuck? I don’t know if he raped little kids but I assume he did. He was always ion the hunt for the next sexual pleasure—which focused of raping people with no power. Prob did animals as well. Sick, fucking asshole.

It’s the best thing ever that his final act is fucking Trump.

Marc Elias, one of our best minds in the anti-Trump resistance, says the Epstein crisis is absolutely getting worse for Trump.

I assume Newsmax is team Vance.

Not sure how many hard MAGA types still put any stock in what Alex Jones says, but he’s joined those who are punching against Trump.

Top story this morning on The Hill: “GOP pressure is mounting for Epstein files release”

I hope Ghislaine sings like a bird.

Ghislaine probably doesn't want to "commit suicide" and is waiting for a pardon... I wouldn't count on her

Well, no one’s forcing her to do that.

Just want to insert here that Dump is, for the first time, being pressured to change his tactics FROM the center of his CORE support (MAGA conspiracy addicts AKA All of MAGA)

For the first time, MAGATs are telling HIM what to do and he's falling apart over it. He's tried everything yelling at them, insulting them, threatening them with excommunication and NONE of his usual tactics are getting them in line. In fact, he's making their resistance to HIM much stronger.

For the rest of us, it should be noted he is probably more dangerous in this moment than he has ever been and he's likely to do something very drastic to change this story.

He's experiencing withdrawal from his narcissistic supply and when this happens to malignant narcissists.. ANYTHING is on the table

[quote]...he's likely to do something very drastic to change this story.

He is, but it will be seen as such and won't change the story. The impulsive drastic thing could be so damaging it'll only compound what the files reveal.

Shutting down the Epstein disclosures and investigation is in the same category for his supporters as shutting down ICE and declaring that anyone can enter the country freely, or trying to institute a government single payer health system. Although not as big as the other two things would be, it’s an important issue to Trump’s base and cannot be deflected. There’s no grey area. The only acceptable conservative view is to support disclosure and prosecution.

At this point, with Bondi and Patel in charge at DoJ, I seriously doubt they would release the unaltered files. They would very likely release files that have been altered or falsified to placate the base. And consider this. Bill Barr had his FBI agents raid the Island estate right after Epstein died. So if Barr had access, and now Bondi and Patel? I would not trust the information. The hedge fund guys Trump surrounds himself with, who still hang around and contribute, are probably friends of Epstein's. IMO it's pretty hilarious that back during the campaign, Trump was talking shit about the Epstein files and now it is blowing up in his face.

The other thing I question, and I have read Craig Unger's books about Trump and Putin, is that Trump would actually have sex at Epstein's place. Trump has always been paranoid. The possibility of him being video taped at Epstein's having sex, is so high, that I could see him picking out a girl, but having her brought to him in an environment he controlled. His hotel, his condos, etc.

[quote] The hedge fund guys Trump surrounds himself with, who still hang around and contribute, are probably friends of Epstein's.

I didn't know her.

It's easy to see how Leavitt got her job, r262.

[quote]People HATE Israel except for boomers and Zionists

A lot more voters hate Hamas-spewing cosplay leftists who blindly venerate Islamic Jihad, but sure, do for it!

Oh, Mark Ruffalo's retainer check bounced and he's pissed!

Hey, kids, who can detect the false dichotomy in R282?

R262 - she's quite pretty - sort of a better looking Paris Hilton. Karoline Leavitt (aka - Bullshit Barbie) isn't pretty at all and looks like a sow next to the image posted in 262. She's got that turned up nose where you can see into her nasal passage - similar to a Truffle Hog.

Check their posting history, r283.

[quote]Maybe Trump will resign if the pressure increases.

Seriously? The Repubs won't impeach him, and the DOJ won't prosecute him. And there's no innate sense of shame which would compel him to resign.

[quote] Hey, kids, who can detect the false dichotomy in [R282]?

He's in the permablock for me for simply being a stupid, stinky, persistent MAGA cockroach.

So did anything come of Rick Wilson’s tweet?

Gonna guess no.

Where is Bill Barr? Why isn't he speaking up about the Epstein files? He has to know what's going on.

[quote]He has to know what's going on

Which is exactly why he *hasn't* said anything.

Yeah I’ve been surprised Barr’s name hasn’t been brought up more

Fat fuck Bill Barr's father got Epstein his first teaching job at the Dalton prep school in NYC. No doubt the father's name is in the files.

This is the same father that wrote sci-fi fiction about sex slave girls in outer space.

Reddit thread.

Elon Musk posted for hours last night, taking more easy shots at the Trump/Epstein case and trying to inflict some damage.

This is pretty bad. Like buzzards are circling bad.

#BREAKING: Former Trump Hotel C.O.O. to🔥Erin: "One incident that I think, kind of proves their closeness [Trump & #Epstein] and how much they hung out together--one time, a Monday morning, I came in and the commission was waiting, the inspectors were waiting in my office. Donald and Jeffrey had come into the casino in the wee hours of Sunday morning(1, 1:30am)...they had three women with them, and the commission was waiting for me because they had determined that the women that they brought down were UNDERAGED to be on the casino..."😳

Stay pressed, Elon. No really, please stay pressed.

For once your asinine personality is doing something useful.

He got Yarvin in the divorce.

If you’re going to post screenshots from Twitter, please screen shot it and post it to an image hosting site instead of a direct link to the dead bird, please.

Or just write what it says. Every one of those Twitter links is either dead or the site is down AGAIN.

Trump thinks he can claim this is Democrats pushing the release of the Epstein files and itll be okay. It's your MAGAts that want answers, Donnie Diapers. Nobody is buying that. This is not going away.

The other shoe is about to drop

Weren't the "underage women" like 19?

That might be underage for a casino but it's not underage for anything else except alcohol.

We need a lot more than that, sorry.

That is correct R301, but the story is further proof that he and Epstein were best friends and fucking younger women.

Trump claims to have had nothing to do with Epstein. We all know that's BS, including the MAGAts.

The 19 year old in this story was supposedly Gabriela Sabatini, who Trump was "dating" at the time.

Even MAGA Jesus Nick Fuentes has turned on Trump!

If Bondi released anything now that doesn’t include Trump’s name on a list, even MAGA won’t believe it

Are you aware of the notion of trafficking? It has nothing to do with being of age but it's still criminal.

Mean for the dolt @R301^.

Mark Halperin has a dubious record to say the least, but he's claiming a big story is about to drop in a major newspaper:

Text from Nick Fuentes tweet copied from Raw Story:

White supremacist and antisemitic podcaster and Donald Trump supporter Nick Fuentes went on an epic rant attacking the president as "fat" and "a joke."

Speaking on his Thursday podcast, Fuentes questioned, "And now he says if you're not on board with the Epstein coverup — oh, I don't want your support. You're a weakling."

“F--- you. F--- you," Fuentes blasted. "You suck. You’re fat. You’re a joke. You’re stupid. You’re not funny. You're not as smart as you think you are. And, honestly, if you watch my show, you know I've been very critical; I've never been this far. This just goes to show this entire thing has been a scam. When we look back on the history of populism in America, we are going to look back on the MAGA movement as the biggest scam in history, and the liberals were right. The MAGA supporters were had. They were."

"When we look back in history, we will see Trump as a scam artist who served as a vehicle for this rather than the other way around. We were not the vehicle for Trump. Trump was the vehicle for all of us," he later said.

To Fuentes I say: "Like...duh."

Is this the bombshell? More from Raw Story:

In a stunning revelation, Donald Trump's former Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that the president is in the Jeffrey Epstein's files.

"He's in the files. A lot of people are in the files," Mulvaney told Al Jazeera in an explosive interview clip that surfaced online before being published. It was reported by The Daily Beast.

And the former White House insider didn't mince words about why the documents remain sealed.

"But if there was something in the files that [was] particularly damning about Donald Trump, the files would have been released by the Biden administration," he said, suggesting the contents implicate figures from both political parties.

The bombshell comes as Trump faces mounting pressure over his refusal to release documents about the convicted sexual predator, despite campaign promises of transparency. Trump's MAGA base has been furious since Attorney General Pam Bondi stated there was no client list, despite saying previously that she had it on her desk.

Mulvaney, who served as acting chief of staff from 2019 to 2020, also revealed that Epstein was once a Mar-a-Lago member before being kicked out "for being weird."

"There's photographs of them together," Mulvaney acknowledged, referencing the well-documented friendship between Trump and Epstein, whom the deceased financier once called his "closest friend for 10 years."

The revelation has ignited a firestorm within Trump's base, with MAGA supporters demanding answers about why their leader won't release files he promised to make public. In a characteristic meltdown, Trump lashed out at his own supporters Wednesday, calling them "weaklings" for "buying into bulls--t" about the Epstein connection.

"My PAST supporters have bought into this 'bulls--t,' hook, line, and sinker," Trump raged on Truth Social, effectively disowning followers who dared question his handling of the files.

The crisis has exposed deep fractures in Trump's coalition, with a Quinnipiac poll showing 63% of Americans disapprove of his handling of the Epstein files. Even Republicans are split, with only 40% supporting Trump's approach while 36% disapprove.

Conservative commentator Matt Walsh captured the growing frustration: "Trump was elected in 2016 partly on a pledge to 'lock her up.' Arresting and prosecuting powerful and corrupt people has been a core issue for MAGA since its inception."

Allegedly the epstein/tr@mp story is supposed to run in a mainstream newspaper. Whispers via Rick Wilson are that 25th amendment is being bandied about as well. I hate the orange poo but Vance in charge doesn’t make me feel great either.

Mulvaney is just running his mouth, it sounds like.

There was a prevailing theory when Trump was elected was he’d serve about 6 months, then he’d be pushed out by Peter Thiel and company. I thought they’d use dementia/age as the excuse, but it appears the fat ass dug his own grave.

[quoye]There was a prevailing theory when Trump was elected was he’d serve about 6 months, then he’d be pushed out by Peter Thiel and company

Trump needs to be made extra paranoid about that.

I'm sure more than one major news outlet is aiming and scheming to produce and publish a full feature on Trump-Epstein. The NYT in particular -- it is a NYC story through and through, NYT would have the contacts, and it would be journalistic malpractice to not even try.

BREAKING!!!!!!

Joe Biden has aged!

[quote]He got Yarvin in the divorce.

Hands off, bitch, Curtie's all mine!

Journalistic malpractice is nothing new for the NYT.

As much as I find him entertaining, Rick Wilson has not proven to be a reliable narrator.

[quote]I don't think Trump is on the list because the Biden team would have leaked it.

This is hilariously stupid MAGA reasoning.

[quote]I don't think Trump is on the list because the Biden team would have leaked it.

Merrick? Look up "fat chance".

[quote] As much as I find him entertaining, Rick Wilson has not proven to be a reliable narrator.

Dangle a dollar in front of Rick Wilson and he’ll literally say anything. A man with zero integrity.

The cautious and most handsome men called Lady Lindzebelle, not Epstein for a fix up.

Glad to see Rick Wilson called out for what he is. He's despicable and it's nauseating how many Democrats even give him the time of day much less treat him like some sage just because he's a never-Trumper.

Have we, at long last, finally reached the long-awaited Lonesome Rhodes moment?

[quote] Lonesome Rhodes

Dusty’s brother?

“Trump revealed to be fucking young girls in the Epstein Files. Why this is bad for Biden”

Benghazi!

And her emails, R329!!

Not quite r326. But we're closer than ever. I keep hoping for an uncontrolled temper tantrum but that could unleash one hell of a lot of trouble beyond disillusioned supporters.

I hope the old perv is sweating over this.

Maybe he’ll completely fall apart in the middle of the night and post a shitstorm of others named in the files. If he thinks he’s going down, maybe he’ll figure he needs to take others with him.

It takes prurience to hold people's interest.

[quote]He's in the permablock for me for simply being a stupid, stinky, persistent MAGA cockroach.

MARY!

You'd be stunned to know I'm an actual liberal Democrat and have never supported nor voted for a Republican in my long-voting life! I actually send good candidates small checks before their primary elections to have the best, most useful candidates in general elections!

What seems to piss you off is that I'm not a cultist cosplay Socialist, or Jew-hater cheering for Islamic Jihadists, mountebanks and frauds like Bernie and the fauxgressive House Squad fascists.

You probably blocked me for being gay, rather than a "queer." You sound like a non-voter.

Fastest I’ve ever seen someone (R335) gray lined: five minutes.

R336, I have to set the preference to almost the lowest setting to see any grey line on r335. That’s probably just one FF. In normal view, there’s no grey line.

Mediaite seems to be suggesting the newspaper about to publish a devastating story on Trump/Epstein is the Wall Street Journal.

Trump fucked up.

I'm donning my tinfoil hat and starting to think this is Musk-Thiel-Vance getting rid of Diaper Donnie. It's interesting how this suddenly got ginned up and the MAGAts aren't letting it go, almost as if they were goaded into it by algorithms.

[quote] I'm donning my tinfoil hat and starting to think this is Musk-Thiel-Vance getting rid of Diaper Donnie.

That’s not the cause of the current situation, so you can take the hat off.

I think Trump is the worst thing to ever happen to the USA but as big a problem as Trump is, the MAGA cult is worse and I worry if they abandon Trump which right wing nut they will turn to. Imagine Alex Jones as President, Charlie Kirk,, Ted Cruz. If Trump wasn't good enough for their cause, a more intelligent despot will be even worse. The Christian Nationalist wing of the party is really crazy, Trump just uses them like he uses everyone else but get a true Christian Nationalist running the MAGA cult and we have real trouble.

Are you sure R341?

You are purely obnoxious r335. Your witless, unpleasant, behaviour renders you a liability among those who share your views and who knows what to those who do not. No one wants you on their side.

[quote] I think Trump is the worst thing to ever happen to the USA but as big a problem as Trump is, the MAGA cult is worse and I worry if they abandon Trump which right wing nut they will turn to.

Vance.

Fascinating article from 2020 that's still relevant. Long but worth reading.

This link should be paywall-free

[quote] Mediaite seems to be suggesting the newspaper about to publish a devastating story on Trump/Epstein is the Wall Street Journal.

Tim Miller's on this.

The link to the WSJ story is at R347

R342, I think if that happened a lot of them would go to war with each other. They'd all want to be in charge.

Wow, thank you, R347.

The Trump 'bawdy" letter thing doesn't matter. It's a limited hang out type news item distraction.

What matters is the intelligence operation behind the child rape and political blackmail. That's what they want hidden

Not paywall-free for me but thanks anyway!

People inside the Beltway have been buzzing about this for a day and a half. I heard about it, and I’m in Paris.

The rumors I heard yesterday are to the effect that the Journal has a copy of a birthday card or note written by Trump to Epstein, and it says …

… something Trump really, really, really doesn’t want the world to see.

Which would explain his behavior the past couple of days.

We’ll see what the Journal’s actually got, but whatever it is, the story is going to be damn near impossible to kill now that Oliver is on the beat

Try this link to the story

If this story is the BEST we can do- we are fucked.

This will sadly be forgotten a week from now..

All it proves is that Trump is a liar.. Really??

Trump suing WSJ is the reason LoL was invented.

I agree it is somewhat underwhelming. But Trump has been claiming he barely knew Epstein and this article shows the exact opposite. And Trump is threatening to sue over it, so... Of course he threatens to sue over everything and I'm quite sure he won't be suing over this either.

Interesting posting history, r356.

R358, recently he's been making major money suing the media.

R359- Go fuck yourself. We are all able to see each other's history- what is your fucking point?

The story is underwhelming as fuck. I do not hold out much hope.

IT WAS CROOKED HILLARY, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND SLEEPY JOE BIDEN WHO WENT BACK IN TIME AND MADE THIS FAKE NEWS!

But not about Epstein, R360. He'd be terrified of discovery. He threatened the WSJ before they published this, so they won't be backing down like other media companies have.

Checking in at Free Republic, where they're spinning ...

[quote]This entire Epstein debacle is a massive Deep State sting to finally get Trump. He knows it. It totally explains his otherwise “bizarre” actions over it. His name has no doubt been added to fake files he is aware of.

[quote]It isn’t easy raising a family. ..Donald Trump has done well. Whatever the enemy can dig up, get over it..Trump loves this country..he will continue to do the positive.. he has given help and finances to others in need.. he has lived the way of a giver, all his adult life.

[quote]Even if he did draw it....no big deal.

And yet...the Rethugs impeached Clinton because he lied about a blow job.

I guess their fun little secret was that they had sex with minors.

It totally fits Trump's MO to be a braggart.

Funny that a sex scandal is what will bring him down.

It's impossible to figure out everything that Epstein was involved in based on what's currently in the public record. Sex crimes, yes, but also complex financial chicanery. No one has really explained why Epstein was able to make hundreds of millions of dollars a few very wealthy men (Leon Black, Leslie Wexner) for nebulous "advising" services. His relationships with JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank are also an opaque mess. It seems as if JP Morgan, at least, paid him kickbacks for steering wealthy clients to them. Everyone connected with him who could seems to have paid enormous settlements to shut down further inquiry.

Clinton lied UNDER OATH, that's why his cheating ass got impeached. He handed the Repugs his impeachment on a silver platter. If only Democrats were as ruthless toward Repigs.

I know everyone hates Tucker and apparently the Martyr Made podcast historian Darryl Cooper but they're doing an Epstein livestream in a couple of minutes that should be very interesting

Please let us know if it’s anything interesting.

It's started. They're doing a very deep dive.

There will be a different U.S. president before 2026.

Who leaked the book?? Somebody at DOJ or… ?

Pick a month in THIS year, R372

He said he never doodled like that, and within the hour people were posting dozens of doodles "like that" he had done over the years, most for charity auctions.

Hopefully, this will make him stroke out. But, honestly, is *anyone* looking forward to the POTUS JD Vance, except for technofascist oligarchs?

This is why Trump and Co. came out with the health "news". They. want you to chase that because you're sure he's lyin, dying, blah, blah, blah, and lose focus on this.

There is a reason he has been so adamant about the Epstein thing. He has NO self control and is a terrible bluffer.

Joe Biden wrote the birthday letter and signed it with an autopen!

Hunter Biden was responsible for the doodle!

Something tells me THIS is what finally makes his brain short-circuit and leaves him flopping like a guppy in the Oval Office shitter.

That little piece in the WSJ is absolutely not the only Epstein article Trump will be contending with.

I'm really worried about Rosie O'Donnell tonight.

What danger is Rosie in, r381? She's far from the maddening crowd.

wouldn't she like this news regarding the letter? Why are you worried for her?

As a distraction, R381 & 382, Trump might take out Rosie tonight. Or, more seriously, Jay Powell.

I am kinda worried he (more accurately, his powerful connections) will try to make an example of someone, but I'd think it would be someone more closely related to the Epstein talk rather than Rosie.

Rosie? She’s safe. That was so six days ago. Trump always has new enemies du jour and he has learned she’ll just fire off more nocaps poesy at him.

OK so this Tucker/Cooper talk about Epstein and his world is totally fascinating. I can definitely recommend it for anyone who wants to learn more. He's really getting into the weeds

r344 speaks for r344.

You overestimate your own powers of persuasion and mistake your bullying for popularity.

Kind of like MAGA.

Anybody else think the odious Tucker Carlson might be plotting to fight JD Vance for the 2028 GOP nomination? He’s talking about all this like Trump is outta the way before too much longer…

Thanks, R369. You will need a decontamination chamber.

[quote] Anybody else think the odious Tucker Carlson might be plotting to fight JD Vance for the 2028 GOP nomination?

Vance will have a lot of competition, including RFK, Jr.

R390 lol honestly Cooper is kinda amazing. So many names, dates, facts - so much detailed information. It's very fucking impressive.

[quote]Anybody else think the odious Tucker Carlson might be plotting to fight JD Vance for the 2028 GOP nomination?

And they complained about Kamala's laugh?

[quote] far from the maddening crowd

Oh, dear.

Here we go- More lies and I am sure that Trump will be nowhere to be found in these files, magically-

It was intentional, r394.

Squirrel!

Trump meanwhile is having a complete public tantrum about the WSJ, calling them a “filthy rag” and threatening to sue them. Which of course drives more curiosity about what they published. He’s such an idiot in this way.

Trump on Truth Social tonight:

Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval. This SCAM, perpetuated by the Democrats, should end, right now.

"Pertinent" = "does not include my name," of course.

Our only hope is that all the stress that the 79 year old orange thing is currently experiencing will knock him off his perch.

trump is without a doubt, the luckiest son of a whore that ever lived, nothing, not even hanging around creatures who pimp little girls seems to touch him.

[quote]He said he never doodled like that, and within the hour people were posting dozens of doodles "like that" he had done over the years, most for charity auctions.

Indeed:

R398, that's a good confirmation that everything they wrote is true

Donald’s current spirit animal is a hooked trout thrashing and gasping on the local marina dock.

Jamie Raskin is ahead of that cunt Bondi-

When asked about Attorney General Pam Bondi's announcement that she's "ready" to ask the courts to release all grand jury testimony, Raskin noted they weren't asking for that testimony.

"We’re asking for all of the files the Department of Justice has," he insisted. "In other words, we’re asking for exactly what Donald Trump was demanding and exactly what Pam Bondi was demanding before they got into power and got to look at everything. And now they’re looking for reasons to make very careful deletions and excisions from the record."

He seems to think he’s in control of this 😂🤣.

This Tucker interview is going to fuck Trump so hard.

And so far they haven't even mentioned Trump at all

Once they got their Big Beautiful Bill they don't need the Disgusting Dumb Donald

[quote]But, honestly, is *anyone* looking forward to the POTUS JD Vance, except for technofascist oligarchs?

Heh, heh ... I got this!

"Big, Beautiful Bill" will, hopefully, be the name of Trump's cellmate.

R407 Cheri J seems a bit tinfoil-hat. Elon Musk is worth $300B and Ukraine/Putin is truly at the outside periphery of what’s on his mind.

I wonder what secret Trump and Epstein shared? Maybe both were big American Idol fans.

Are we now going to be subject to dueling Epstein leaks?

Pam Bondi will selectively choose grand jury transcripts that may be bad for Democrats.

Elon and MSM will release materials that are clearly bad for Trump.

He should just take his swollen ankles and resign in the best interest of the country. He looks like shit now and is nearing death. Give up, Donald.

What will his followers do when he dies? How will they react if he resigns?

They will say he was persecuted, all is forgiven and that he still is the greatest president of their lifetime.

But JD has no charisma so they will not be as enchanted or forgiving.

"Enigmas never age have you noticed that"?

Enigmas is anagram of "Gamines" .

The definition of Gamines is..........YOUNG GIRLS !!!!!

Like he knows what a gamine is. 😂😂

Doesn’t the court have to approve the release of grand jury transcripts?

[quote]"Big, Beautiful Bill" will, hopefully, be the name of Trump's cellmate.

Bill (biggest guy on his wing) would very soon call in favours for a cell transfer with immediate effect.

Reading it again, this has to be the most disturbing letter ever written by a President. He's talking about the rape and murder of minors.

Yes, a court will have to agree to release the grand jury testimony which has been locked away under seal. It may take weeks or months of working all the details out, assuming a judge will allow it.

R94 Those MAGA fucks are too stupid to do anything but support him.

Wondering if the news of the odious orange’s health which was released will be a precursor to further news about his physical health which will lead to a resignation on “health grounds”. He will then be hailed as being honourable for doing the right thing for the country.

I don't think so. I think they decided to release that info as a distraction attempt because they knew this Epstein news was coming the same day. They want people to to argue over the state of his health rather than his relationship with Epstein. Not going to work.

Imagine if the president and his administration were so focused on improving the lives of the American people.

Is FOX still avoiding it?

Next week will get interesting when/if Bondi & co release an absurdly redacted and minimalist set of documents and the Dems, Elon Musk and numerous others all push back hard to release the entire Epstein files. The public is not on Trump’s side with this; it could be yet another vulnerability for GOP House and Senate members who are facing competitive races next year.

[quote] Is FOX still avoiding it?

The primetime shows are, although I understand Bret Baier's show is not. I don't know about the daytime shows, although I doubt Fox & Friends is.

Not to worry. The Supreme 6 hath bestowed upon our dear leader the immutable power to do as he wishes against anyone who tries to unseat him over this!

What’s funny is he does whatever he wants and wipes his ass with court orders, and his Supreme besties have said he can, but suddenly any Epstein files can only be released with court approval. I know that’s true, but he’s been granted the right to skirt the law but this is where he’s going to follow it.

I'm expecting this op-ed in NYT in a day or two:

"THE DAY DONALD TRUMP TRULY BECAME THE PRESIDENT"

Subtitle: "How Trump gave up fucking children in order to save America."

Or, from Marc Thiessen at WaPo^.

We have all the cards, Mr Prezzidint.

The NYT mentions the US House seems to be moving toward procedures re: a vote on releasing Epstein info. Far from certain, but some small movement.

The entire crazy right is based on the premise that Dems are pedophiles and the Epstein files are the mother lode of names. If Trump now says Epstein files reveal nothing the whole structure collapses. He needs to release info to feed the base but obviously is afraid he is somehow implicated.

Very enjoyable turn of events.

Pam Bondi is working with JayDine to destroy him. She could have kept delaying the release if she were not.

It would be amazing if Jeffrey Epstein is what finally did Donald Trump in.

Can we even dare to dream?

Ehpschtein!

Is Bongino ever coming back to work or have they boxed up his stuff already?

[quote] Can we even dare to dream?

After so many years of experience with Trump, I'm not counting on it.

Is that really the word he wanted to use when talking about Ben?

Snopes confirmed that the correspondence in the link above is true.

Bondi has documentation that can be released now.

Pam Bondi releasing a few redacted bits will only raise more questions amongst the MAGA nutters. Did they miss the part where they're all conspiracy theorists???

Even when there are receipts proving they lied, they find a way to double down on the lie by either deflecting or blaming. Or “ I can’t help it if you didn’t understand what I meant.”

Has Trump ordered Bondi and Leavitt to flash their tits at the press to draw attention away from Epstein?

At this point, who cares if the MAGA hordes pivot back to supporting him? He denies saying things or appointing people, and there's instantly evidence saturating social media proving otherwise. He's spinning out and all that mounting pressure and frustration can't be good for a man his age. I'm surprised the Coldplay Jumbotron situation didn't succeed in swamping the Epstein stuff out of the trending topics and news, but then, the WSJ posted that letter. I agree with comments on social media (especially those from lawyers) that WSJ lawyers wouldn't have allowed the letter to be posted without good background checks and validation first. If they did, then that's intentional. If Trump sues, that discovery phase is going to be a bitch and any lawyer for Trump should know that. I wonder if the posting of this letter is bait for Trump to sue the WSJ because they know that all the Epstein stuff will be discoverable in litigation.

Good, juicy news tends to drop on Friday afternoons. I hope that happens today.

I will say the letter/dialogue doesn’t sound like Trump. He’s so infantile when he speaks and word-vomits on social media it’s hard to imagine him coming up with a creative writing exercise like that. Is it possible someone else wrote it and he just signed his name to it?

I agreed at first R448, but that letter was from a fairly long time ago and his cognitive abilities have declined significantly. Also, in my opinion, he's been trying to mimic the way MAGA thinks and talks so we don't know how much of that is performance or his authentic mode of expression. Everything with Trump has a con behind it, no matter how small.

[quote] Also, in my opinion, he's been trying to mimic the way MAGA thinks and talks so we don't know how much of that is performance or his authentic mode of expression

Absolutely. He crafted his speech to appeal to the rubes in the run-up to the 2016 campaign.

[quote] Also, in my opinion, he's been trying to mimic the way MAGA thinks and talks so we don't know how much of that is performance or his authentic mode of expression.

Total agreement.

[quote]He crafted his speech to appeal to the rubes in the run-up to the 2016 campaign.

Not too much of a crafting descent, surely. Trump never spoke like a Rhodes Scholar, he's always been a natural vulgarian.

MAGA Mike PANICS as Trump’s Plan BACKFIRES in HIS FACE

Yes 100% with R449 and R450. Trump has simultaneously bent his persona and communication style towards the MAGA base, dumbing it down some, and gradually gotten older and cognitively sloppier with worse to come.

Here’s Trump back in 2012 (age 66, three years before he began fully campaigning for President) speaking at Liberty University’s convocation. Click through anywhere and you see him speaking (extemporaneously as he does) with much more complex sentences, a less dumbed down vocabulary and just much more sureness and command over his own verbal faculties.

Oops - here’s that 2012 link

For those who might like to see a couple of artist's renderings of what Trump's ALLEGED drawing might look like.

All of this is so skeevy. I need to take a bleach shower.

Agreed, R457. Thanks for keeping us updated, Torta and others. I feel a little more dead inside each time I check these links directly.

R454, Trump’s village idiot act is a part of his con game. He’s not a deep person, he’s soulless, but he knows how to bend people to his will; he knows how to get his way.

I don't believe Trump knows what enigma means.

Given his age he would have heard it quite frequently. It’s used in an old timey expression.

Oddly enough and something I didn’t know - that formerly common expression originated with Churchill describing the Soviet Union.

Maybe Epstein was KGB.

Krasnov probably heard the term in Moscow

Urgent photoshop request in Reddit

JUST RELEASE THE FUCKING FILES.

Epstein's been dead for six years.

How much longer is this going to take?

Lawrence O'Donnell:

The lies have been twisted for so long and so far that I doubt I would believe anything that this administration releases

I'll be interested to see what the next month of polling looks like. His average approval rating has been down near 40-41, it will be good to see it slide further down into the high 30s... and see the House and Senate GOP get more nervous.

I saw the drawings he donated for charity and they were way better than I would ever think HOWEVER just like the ability to do any drawing on a letter which would require even minimal creative talent I don't put it past him having someone to sketch them for him and him just signing them. Same coulda happened with the letter.

R467: I'm confident his polling numbers are a bit worse in reality, with some of those counted as continuing to support him aren't making it clear they're wavering. If he "officially" goes down to the mid-30s, Senate is absolutely In Play, Toss Up.

If somebody else drew them for him (which would not surprise me) then doesn't that mean he's guilty of fraud since he auctioned some off for charity (or so he claimed)?

It wasn't that long ago that it was a fundamental part of Republican governance to go after plaintiffs' personal injury attorneys. Now their leader is the lawsuit-happy Donald Trump.

President Trump's sharpie skills are known to all!

Don't get bogged down on whether or not he drew them, r471.

R470 - Miami District Court? Motion for Change of Venue from WSJ incoming soon.

Trump’s $50 million lawsuit against Bob Woodward and his publisher was dismissed today by a Manhattan federal judge.

So much winning!

R475, the Woodward case above originally was filed in FL and there was a successful motion to have it moved due to the filing in an improper venue.

Hopefully, this goes to Manhattan too.

It’s very difficult to win a defamation case if you are a well-known person, even if what is stated isn’t true.

And there are very good reasons for that r478. We all know that every rich cunt can't wait to sue anybody for the slightest hint of criticism. It should be as difficult as possible to win those suits.

[quote]Epstein crossed a line when he went from heading an exclusive Adult Sex with Minors Wonderland to blackmailing the president of somewhere with tapes of him raping and killing a child while on drugs.

Jimmy Carter?

He will lose. The WSJ definitely crossed their t's and dotted their i's before publishing. What they can say, which happens to be the truth, is that their sources tell them it was taken directly from Ghislaine's notebook and is understood to be real. They used similar careful-enough language in publishing what they did.

A very enlightening interview from Dump muckraking journalist Wolff.

[quote]Miami District Court? Motion for Change of Venue from WSJ incoming soon.

I mean, I know he had to *try*, but there's very, very little chance this case would be heard outside of NYC. Trump may have residency in Florida, but there's zero reason for a POTUS to need to file there, and EVERY reason for a New York newspaper to be sued IN New York.

Key point in R482 (and it's a good clip) -- Wolff says this fiasco is hastening, and is prompting the beginning of, Trump's "lame duck" phase.

Presidentially, Trump has not dealt with this phase before. The sunsetting of his own power - and the knowing that everyone around him knows it. Trump's entire first term he was campaigning for reelection every day, attacking Dems with that goal in mind, etc. His power, especially his power over the GOP that will soon outlive him politically (perhaps even soon outlive him literally)... it has never weakened in his face like it's about to start doing now.

Dump never looks to spend time in court. He looks to settle, or rather, to shakedown. Exhibit: CBS. I would guess Murdoch has much better lawyers, though, and not much to lose.

Quelle surprise.

hmmmm, just a little bit of desperation sprinkled throughout that article r486. I don't buy the new peace, love, and understanding, and I seriously doubt these whores will go quiet while their fanbase is clamoring for the damn evidence.

CBS is dependent on Trump, r485, Rupert *isn't*.

Of course Trump's loyalists would say that (link in R486): "Everything's good now, WSJ is the new Enemy, and they caused MAGA to become instantly 100% united".

And of course Politico would dutifully carry water for them.

Time will soon tell if this was Epstein Week... or if this is Epstein Summer. I'm betting somewhere in between.

Well, r487, Politico certainly isn't hiding their bent.

These days, Politico is the sophisticate's choice of right wing propaganda.

R472, I remember when they used to rant against lawsuits and "our overly litigious society"

Rupert HATES Donald, this is twisting the knife further into the wounded animal. I bet Captain Cankles will quietly drop this lawsuit before it gets to the deposition stage.

[quote] I remember when they used to rant against lawsuits and "our overly litigious society"

That was primarily in reference to personal injury and product liability cases. Maybe now we’ve all come to accept the ambulance chasers and their billboards and commercials.

I won't believe Rupert REALLY has it in for Trump until he sics Fox News on him. Until then, he's just trying to have it both ways.

Trump’s seeking $10 billion in damages in defamation lawsuit over WSJ article.

Filing in Miami District Court is likely an effort to superficially bolster Trump's claims that it's a fake letter in the hopes of creating a re-unification of his base or it's a delay tactic because his lawyers should absolutely know it's not the correct venue. Or perhaps it's both reasons. I just hope there is going to be a continued trickling out of damaging info for Trump related to Epstein. Didn't something just come out about Trump assigning 1000 people to review and flag any mention of his name in any Epstein materials? I mean, this Epstein stuff has stayed in the news for so long because stuff is dropping almost daily. One can but dream...

Thinking anything meaningful is going to come of this is just liberal masturbation.

I had a class in Civil Procedure over thirty years ago and didn’t become a lawyer, but as I recall, can’t the plaintiff sue in the district court where they live if the defendant has a physical presence there?

Julie K. Brown is the author of "Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story."

She also told Tapper that Epstein's victims "sued a lot of powerful men. We just don't know about it because when you sue somebody that powerful, they settle. And so there were plenty of lawsuits that the victims filed against these powerful men. That's part of what their lawyers did. And it's been all settled, all quietly. And we just don't know about it."

[quote] Brown: But Epstein told his own brother and his brother has been public about this, that he told him that if the public knew everything that he knew about Trump, they would have to cancel the election.

FYI, for anyone who isn’t aware of this, that’s not how elections work.

R496, 10 billion dollars? Donald must be really scared. Teehee.

[quote]Trump’s seeking $10 billion in damages

For the people who have been wanting to see the financial downfall of News Corp.: who are you going to side with?

[quote] For the people who have been wanting to see the financial downfall of News Corp.: who are you going to side with?

Hmmm, who do I hate more?? This is like real life Sophie's Choice...

[quote]FYI, for anyone who isn’t aware of this, that’s not how elections work.

I think you're missing the point, r501.

Trump of course R503. The WSJ and Fox News are so different. Even the NY Post which is wacky seems reasonable compared to Fox News. The woman who runs Fox is in the words of the orange tumor, a disgrace. She just loves feeding the vast uneducated masses fake news.

[quote] Has Trump ordered Bondi and Leavitt to flash their tits at the press to draw attention away from Epstein?

The ole Caitlyn Jenner tactic.

Damn, some of those MAGA conspiracy theorists are claiming Hillary knocked off Epstein in his jail cell.

Can she dispose of Putin also?

R506 here, I meant to say I side with the WSJ and not Trump. I refuse to watch Fox News.

This has the feeling of an impending resignation. It may take some more awful leaks, but it's a recipe for disaster for Trump of his own making. Now that we know that the FBI was told to flag all mentions of Trump in the Epstein files, they must release those pages. If they don't, then this issue will never die. That means that they have to make some fairly serious decisions soon. He can't get out of this, and all his Roy Cohn tricks don't work anymore. I hope they are working on a transition process.

[quote]This has the feeling of an impending resignation.

Trump will never resign.

[quote]Trump will never resign.

I doubt it, too, but I remember Sarah Palin's shock resignation from the governorship of Alaska on the pretext she had gotten everything accomplished and there was no need to hang around.

It's unlikely, but if he does, he'll just claim he Made America Great Again and go back to grifting in the private sector.

R511- Thank you. HE WILL NEVER RESIGN.

Are you guys serious with this shit?

Am I crazy that this story will go nowhere? And that if the list IS revealed it's going to have democrats on it as well?

I don't feel that I am "getting this" because everyone is acting like THIS will be Trump's undoing.. Maybe its me- I don't know-

Palin had monetary incentive to quit and didn't want to disappear from the limelight she craved into a boring public servant's obscurity in Junea, which is on the other side of the universe as far as media are concerned.

Theoretically, Trump would face sentencing if he stepped down from office. One of the most important reasons for running a second time was avoiding jail. So that's a powerful incentive to stay put. He'll need to be pried out from behind the Resolute desk (if it's back from getting Musk's kid's snot cleaned off). He's going nowhere of his own volition.

^ Juneau!

R512 -- if Trump ever has to resign, that's EXACTLY what he'll say. Like that claim that Kim Jong-il scored eleven holes-in-one the first time he ever played golf, and then never played it again because he had already achieved perfection.

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but beginning to think THIS stupidity will finally take the motherfucker done.

His idiots are turning on him. The cult is cracking. He’s suing Robert Murdoch for $10 billion, which is an incredible act of self sabotage. Does he consider that with the push of a button, Murdoch could turn Fox and WSJ against him?

This will be the funnest feud ever!

A couple months ago, I had a premonition that he would be out of office in a year. I think it’s more than likely that will happen.

[quote] He’s suing Robert Murdoch for $10 billion, which is an incredible act of self sabotage.

Feels knee-jerk but I'm sure there's a lot more there.

His lawsuit will go nowhere. Does he really want to sit for depositions and be caught in lies?

I think a powerful force like Elon is systematically destroying him. He has the resources, money and motive. And none of it is illegal thus far, just exposing the truth.

[quote] A couple months ago, I had a premonition that he would be out of office in a year. I think it’s more than likely that will happen.

Did your premonition tell you what tf happens next?

please and thank you

I don't see Dump leaving office...voluntarily. And there are...several...ways that could happen.

It is funny r519. It seemed like Elon would just crawl back into his K-hole, but no, he ain't done yet. And now if Trump makes a serious enemy of Rupert Murdoch, well there is not enough popcorn in the world.

The trick will be to drive Trump out of office while keeping all the secrets and details of the Israeli-CIA child rape operation from the public.

We KNOW, right!??? It’s all we report on or talk about, 24/7.

They're just trying to keep up with the right wing cuntosphere r524. They're the ones who can't get enough of this.

CNNpoll says 90 of Republicans support him now as opposed to 80% before t he Epstein news broke.

Cool, we need to use that. Relentlessly go on about it and talk about what a kiddie fucking cult the Republican Party has become.

I cannot wrap my brain around the mental gymnastics MAGAts go through to believe in a worldwide pedo ring but not believe Donald Trump of all people isn't involved. It's really quite astounding

R528, anyone who is still a Republican at this point totally identifies with Trump. They feel personally threatened when he is attacked.

Here are my thoughts on the reality of his WSJ lawsuit:

A court has to have personal jurisdiction over a defendant before the case can proceed. A court has personal jurisdiction over a corporation in the state where they are headquartered or incorporated. NewsCorp is headquartered in New York City and probably incorporated.

Once PJ is established, the court looks at venue. Venue is proper where the defendant resides or where the incident (i.e. libel) occurred. Here, the libel occurred in NYC. NewsCorp "resides" in NYC. Ergo, venue is proper in NY.

As far as the defamation claim, Trump's team would have to prove that the "false statement" harmed his reputation, that the statement concerned him, published to a third party, and damages. On a libel claim, he would have to prove special damages because in reality the defamatory nature of the article is not clear.

Finally, Trump is a public figure, so he would have to prove that the WSJ acted in actual malice, meaning that the WSJ was either reckless in publishing the article or that the Journal published the article knowing it was false. Since it is the WSJ publishing the story, I highly doubt they were reckless or had malice.

Sorry for the rant, but these are my quick thoughts on the claim.

Honey, did you see I put another hamper in the bathroom? This one's for your shirts, the other's just for socks and poo-poo undies.

This lawsuit is a “distraction.”

I suspect it will “settle, as have others, in Trump’s favor.

It’s true Trump does not want to sit for a deposition. Even though Mike Johnson’s House of Representatives would never impeach him for lying under oath, a “Bill Clinton” circus-like reenactment could prolong attention on numerous embarrassing matters Trump wants to remain buried.

However, once it becomes abundantly clear that Murdoch has evidence of the truth of the WSJ story - and thus a high likelihood of legal success - Trump will threaten to turn his pending legal loss into a financial victory, by claiming Murdoch’s properties are “dead to him.” He will try to take their audience to NewsMax and Truth Social. He only needs to be partially successful to inflict significant damage.

Equally important, MAGAts will not abandon Trump because he’s proven to be scum. They voted for scum - knowingly - because the scum promised to lift the curtain on the alleged even scummier dealings of the (Democratic) deep state.

However, Trump’s now chosen not to do so (for reasons best known to him and Ms Bondi). The focus needs to be kept on his refusal to release the “Epstein files.” [italic]THAT’s [/italic] why the MAGAts are squirming so furiously. It’s [italic]not [/italic]because someone says he was once besties with a dead pedophile.

And, R526, his numbers would be even higher if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue.

Trump will be desperate to draw some line under this before September, not of course that he does any drawing. The State Visit with King Charles if this is all still in play will provoke plentiful pictures and mentions of Prince Andrew. No fiction writer would dare conjure this linkage: a President, a King, the King's disgraced brother, a dead pedophile. Not many degrees of separation. Trump always brings the chaos.

[quote] I think a powerful force like Elon is systematically destroying him.

Guess again.

R535 be honest. Did AI write this?

R533, Lawyer, can you talk about " Intent" doesn't that factor in? If the intent to do harm is present?

R538 the intent to harm would be the actual malice element. Trump would argue that the WSJ had actual malice, meaning they published the article knowing it was false or they had a reckless disregard for the truth. That would be the intent you are asking about.

[quote]He will try to take their audience to NewsMax

I would argue this has already happened; these days Fox News looks the CBS of old compared to Newsmax

I'm not sure how all this will play out (I've gotten my hopes up too many times), but I'm interested to see the damage a spiteful, mean old Rupert can inflict.

He would resign if they paid him enough and helped him keep the grift going.

I doubt the Journal will settle

He'll fold before he's deposed by the Journal's attorneys.

NOT resign - they'll declare him unfit rather than that.

Isn’t Dump trying to get Judge Cannon again for the WSJ case?

This fat fuck and his ability to manipulate the judicial system is mind-boggling and infuriating. How the hell does he get away with it?

I get my news from The Guardian, ProPublica, Mother Jones, and a host of journalists who work online and used to be part of the mainstream media, like Acosta, Jennifer Rubin and her substack, Heather Cox Richardson, etc. I haven't watched a network news show in years.

I remember Jennifer Rubin when she was the definitive Romney fangirl.

[quote] CNNpoll says 90 of Republicans support him now as opposed to 80% before t he Epstein news broke.

Not surprising, Republican voters have been conditioned to believe and now GET OFF on believing the "fake news mainstream media" is out to destroy Dump with lies and "made up" stories. These are voters who fee the "woke world" has conspired against them and they see Dump as their representative and political avenger. In more succinct terms: They are angry and stupid and have very limited critical thinking skills and obviously no bullshit detector.

The potential fly in the ointment here: Fox news has worked diligently since the WSJ story broke to keep it off Fox air as much as possible and to downplay it as much as possible, However now that Dump is suing News Corp (Fox News) they may be inclined to cover the story to their advantage rather than to his advantage as they have been faithfully doing since WSJ published this story. In other words, Dumps stupid going nowhere lawsuit may force News Corp to realize Dumps interest are opposed the theirs and cover him accordingly.

Keep in mind most of the FOX news audience have never heard any factual accounting of Dumps crimes. They hear and believe a very different version of alternate "facts" AKA propaganda

Do any lawyers know if Dump will likely be successful in seeking jurisdiction in FLA?

I don't see this lawsuit going anywhere. He sues people all the time, he loses, he moves on.

In my mind, the only thing that might have an impact is if Rupert Murdoch were to die. His children (other than Lachlan) will then take over Fox News (among other things) and they have made it clear they want to push it back toward the center. It would be helpful to get rid of a 24-hour source of right-wing propaganda.

Dowd…

🚨 HIDDEN Trump Videos FOUND by Meidas as SECRETS SURFACE

"tip of the iceberg." “The dam is breaking”.

Well?

Take that CNN poll news with a LOT of skepticism. Discussion on another thread… summary:

CNN and the excitable Harry Enten are claiming that all this Epstein mud is actually improving Trump’s approval rating among GOP voters. Just one problem with their pitch. Those polls were all conducted entirely *prior to* this past 5 days when things heated up. They are obsolete. We will have to see what the next few weeks of polling have to say.

R553 Now that Trump has sued the WSJ, now would be a good time for them to drop some more bombshells.

R543 I don't think his lawsuit will get that far. I think a judge will dump it first. Trump has to prove malicious intent here, and that's gonna be tough hill to climb.

[quote] the excitable Harry Enten

A perfect description, Torta.

Judge Aileen:

Tim Miller is already exposing her MAGA ass.

Her dirty doings won’t be kept under wraps any longer, and she won’t get any more benefit of the doubt.

Some MAGAts are trying to get #ArrestObama trending on X.

Can someone please explain to me how Obama is connected to Epstein?

Who is next? Mitt Romney? George W. Bush? Sarah Palin?

They’re flailing. Let’s get Anybody! Anything! Everybody! All the time!

It won’t work. If this isn’t the beginning of the end of Trump, it’s the end of the beginning. It’ll never be the same.

People are going to start turning on the MAGA: “You’re in favor of child abuse?” Too many people in this country are too familiar with the exploitation of children to want to associate with someone not just accused but now documented to have been very familiar with what the sexual exploitation of minor children entails.

Shiny object syndrome. To take attention away from Epstein, Tulsi Gabbard called for investigation into the treacherous conspiracy carried out by the Obama administration during the 2016 election season in a memo titled “Russia Hoax”.

This asswipe weighed in.

[quote] Epstein was a disgusting perv who took advantage of silly young girls, but there is very little evidence that he ran some sort of sex ring.

Wonder why he was killed? Probably no reason. Or killed himself? Again, no particular reason for that.

Pause for a moment and let's go back a few years. Starting with the "grab them by the pussy" tapes. We have already exposed so much filth on Trump who we know to be a bully and a predator as well as an egomaniac. We know he lies as easily as he breathes. We know he is corrupt. Larcenous. And yet...he got elected POTUS. No one has yet stopped him and Merrick Garland had the best chance. He should have been in prison by 2022. Not in a position to run for office. Do I believe there was something rigged about 2016 and2024? Yes. But they couldn't get away with it so easily if it had not been fairly close to begin with. And that tells me all I need to know about Trump and the kind of support he generates. Does the media cover up for him and enable him? Yes. Does he flood the networks with lies and use a fear and division strategy. Absolutely. And yet here we all are. He controls the Judiciary, the Legislative and the Executive branches and takes a shit on the Constitution every single day at least once. So excuse me if I ignore all these bullshit polls.

[quote]...during the 2016 election season

Odd that Trump considers all things Epstein 'A long time ago...' but 2016 is now considered ripe for investigation.

The lesson to this seems to be: live by conspiracy culture, die by conspiracy culture. In the unlikely event that this ruins Trump, it doesn’t ruin the conspiratorial madness that drives his base so what happens after they cannibalize him?

What is the conspiracy? That Israel and the CIA were running a child rape and prostitution blackmail scheme? That doesn't seem like a conspiracy that seems like what was actually going on

Given the enigma reference more likely the KGB.

Under Rug Swept 🧹

Enigma is an anagram of gamine

[quote]No one has yet stopped him and Merrick Garland had the best chance.

Mitch McConnell had the first chance but persuaded his fellow Rethugs in the Senate not to convict.

Oh ... so the new bullshit spin is that it wasn't Israel it was Russia. I'm seeing more of these insinuations

Is MAGA still believing that Trump is innocent in sex trafficking of minors even though he was close friends with Epstein for 15 years? How long will the MAGA bubble of delusion last?

Approaching 600 posts...

Looking forward to being served more TACOs.

Trump wouldn't have the slightest clue what "gamine" meant.

He could have easily heard it from someone. Maybe Epstein himself originally used the word enigma and explained the inside joke to him.

He'd think it was some French girl r577.

Trump knows what gamey means, though. He uses the tem to describe Melania's stinky snatch.

Trump's ankles though...

He does have a history of engaging ghostwriters.

Well all I can say R571 is that it’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Sen Ron Wyden did an extensive investigation into Epstein. It wasn’t Israel, his ties were to *drum role* Russia.

All roads lead to Russia with Trump.

Oh deer 🦌

R585 I type roll but it autocorrected to role as I pushed post. 🤣

I assume the role is that of a drum, r585. Calls for a percussive personality.

Check out this substack. It seems very plausible!

The NYT is leading with a non-opinion story about whore Trump. Maybe the universe hasn’t completely burned to a cold dead cinder of utter shit yet.

They will release a heavily redacted version that will keep out Trump's name and claim that is all.

I knew about Trump Russia nexus since the 1990s.

Then why didn't you tell us?

This is will not be his undoing. Now if he were to start a war without the approval of congress and without any reason except one of his lies, that would be the end of him.

I’ve set up a Part 2 (linked here) for when this thread soon maxes out. Thanks everyone!

This scandal may or may not take him down or even seriously hurt him, but I’m so fervently wishing for it.

(Torta ⬆️)

BAJOUR!

Or backwards:

RUOJAB!

Since Trump bonded with Lady 🐞 G starting in early 2017, he rolled back much of his philandering, but not all of it. Lady🐞 G for years now, traveled at times with Trump, and spent extended weekends and holidays in Mar-a-Lago. She keeps Donald happy, happy and has chased away a lot of hussies trying to move-in on his sweetness.

[quote]This fat fuck and his ability to manipulate the judicial system is mind-boggling and infuriating. How the hell does he get away with it?

There's been a lot of concern expressed this year about forum and judge shopping. It would be nice if there was bipartisan support to stop the political parties from being able to get a judge they know will rule in their favor.

Republicans love child molestors.

Part 2:

Bye bye Donald!

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