are you thinking of getting double citizenship after this election?

I looked into it but don't think I would qualify based on my interpretation of the requirements.

I’m Native American, how lousy is that?!

OP what would be the point?

As if any 70 year old DLer is going to suddenly leave their home state for the first time because of an election result.

OP thinks she can order citizenships on HSN.

Canadian here.

I'll marry one of you as long as you're rich and not bad looking.

Compartmentalization. Mental defense mechanism.

The ancestors came here too far back for dual citizenship.

But I am considering moving abroad if that imbecile becomes POTUS again.

Yes! American. I’m here illegally.

Europe doesn't want us burdening their infrastructure.

We have one Irish grandparent. My brother went for it and now lives in France.

It won’t help. NATO is gone, Putin and Xi can run rampant.

Europe is going to be flooded with Ukrainians if Trump wins. Ukraine has a population of 37 million, I would guess at least half the population will flee if not more.

I can’t believe it. I am gutted.

R3 So true. I have a friend in his late 70s. He told me his biggest fear is dying while Trump is in office, because he doesn't want to die and think the country he's loved all of his life is without hope.

Having a second citizenship has given me a bit of calm and has made everything less stressful now. It is if I know that I have other options in case I need to leave this country.

I have passive income, and I have many hundreds of years of Scottish ancestors up to my GREAT grandparents, who came here in the late 1800s. I am hoping that with my lack of need to take a Scot's job, bringing my independent money and my heritage to the table, I can qualify for a Financially Independent Person visa and move to Scotland when I retire in a couple of years.

Fuck no!

Been thinking about it for a while. My father was born here before his father renounced his citizenship, therefore I have the legal right to become a citizen in Italy even though I am 2nd gen American. My cousin did it but it's difficult because I don't know the language and lots of paperwork that needs to be done over there. I need a bilingual lawyer which can't really afford right now.

Italy is funny that way, once an Italian always an Italian. Can you imagine if someone from America moved to France, had a child and that child had a child and it would still have the right to become a U.S. citizen without being born here or even setting foot in the country?

They're trying real hard to make it only second generation and sooner for citizenship by descent in Italy. For most other places, it's a native grandparent or no dice.

What if your family has been in this country several centuries?

Not anyone who has looked at immigration laws.

Ha! My family was here pre-Revolutionary War, so I have nowhere else to go.

I had one grandmother who was born abroad, somewhere in what eventually became Czechoslavkia, so the country didn't actually exist at that time. And then in1992, it was split in two.

Prague looks nice, though..lol

R16,

Today’s Scotland might not match your expectations. We proudly welcome new Scots from all over the world, no matter what their heritage. Scottishness is not about ethnicity, but outlook. The Financially Independent Person initiative is an EU programme. We didn’t vote for Brexit, England did.

There are nine countries in Europe that offer citizenship by descent based on great-grandparents, and others that require a grandparent or patent for the same.

But there are lots of options other than citizenship by descent to gain citizenship or establish permanent residency. In Argentina, for example, one option requires an investment of $5,000 USD or 1,500,000 Argentine pesos (currently about $1500 USD). Every country has its own requirements.

At the link is an immigration advisory firm's list of 15 countries where obtaining a residency permit is relatively easy. It needn't require suitcases full of money or recent ancestors or work permits. And of course it's usually easy if an applicant can demonstrate financial self-sufficiency.

The number of US citizens who live outside the U.S. is only 1% of the population, and that figure includes people on work assignment outside the US for 1 year or more, people studying abroad, etc

Interesting, R24. Does that mean I might be welcomed there, if I feel a kinship (I really do, I always feel more at home there than in the States) and I have my own income and won't be taking a Scot's job from them? My father's side of the family have hundreds of years of history in Aberdeen. My great-grandfather came here from Aberdeen, and my great-grandmother came to the US from London. I feel so at home all over the UK. I just resonate with the cultures so much.

I have a sense that my dollars would go farther in Scotland. I live in a very expensive part of the US, the only places more expensive than the Boston area would be NYC or LA. I feel that I could live twice as well as a retiree in Scotland. But that's just a hunch, not a studied position.

"Today’s Scotland might not match your expectations" -- can you elaborate? Last time I was there was 2018. Has it changed a lot in the past few years?

I've heard that in Italy a citizenship request can often be pushed through for approval, even if it doesn't meet all the requirements, for the right "fee."

Might as well look into options. The US will soon be a banana republic toilet.

99.9% of Americans would never qualify nor could they afford it. The Western would has shut its doors. You have to have millions and skills to even be considered.

R27, Italy has its own Fascist leader. Let’s not even go there. Their criminal justice system is more screwed up than the US’s and they hate gays and are basically run by the Vatican. You think you have problems now, I have family there who are leaving. They can’t stand it. Two are moving to Germany.

How many Americans speak more than one language? They can barely manage English.

[quote] Italy is funny that way, once an Italian always an Italian.

You’re such a weirdo.

I'm thinking about getting double penetrated

The whole idea is so fuck absurd. Unless one has strong ties to another country, what's the point?

mid 1930s Germany. Pessimist went to America, optimist went to Auschwitz

R31 I am an American who was an art history academician, so I'm semi-fluent in French and German. Have also been seriously learning Scottish Gaelic. And I study Esperanto and Greek just for fun. I've traveled extensively throughout Europe for decades, and I lived in London for a year in the late 90s.

Not every American is a drooling ignoramus.

We'll simply take control, as you disappear...

[quote]Unless one has strong ties to another country, what's the point?

Well, I do have distant relatives there so there is that. Plus a beautiful country. I wont be involved in their politics so no worries about that anymore.

I had an Irish grandmother and a German grandfather. I could get dual citizenship if I wanted to. A cousin of mine did, and it wasn't all that difficult.

[quote]Europe is going to be flooded with Ukrainians if Trump wins. Ukraine has a population of 37 million, I would guess at least half the population will flee if not more.

Ukranians are white, blond and hot so Americans wouldn't mind at all if they came to the US.

[quote]The number of US citizens who live outside the U.S. is only 1% of the population, and that figure includes people on work assignment outside the US for 1 year or more, people studying abroad, etc

Americans have it so good, even Canada is kind of shitty to us.

R41 that is no longer the case

R30 who gives a fuck. The point is EU residency/passport.

[quote]Italy has its own Fascist leader. Let’s not even go there. Their criminal justice system is more screwed up than the US’s and they hate gays and are basically run by the Vatican. You think you have problems now, I have family there who are leaving. They can’t stand it. Two are moving to Germany.

So many expats are moving to Italy that the country is making entry even harder. And tourism is through the roof.