Is there a Tercel that goes from Pine Valley to Llanview?

OP, I love you.

Another of Jesse (Darnell Martin)’s great disses to Liza-“You dread skank…” He was hilarious.

I worked for a while on the show. Amanda Bearse was very open about her live-in girlfriend Sandra who was shooting a film with De Niro and Scorsese. Debbi Morgan was a cunt. Darnelll would sometimes mention a male friend named Basile who lived somewhere in the Caribbean. He made it seem pretty clear how important Basile was to him. Louis Edmonds made a point of showing up at the AMC studios on days he wasn’t working just to ogle the very young men mostly models) auditioning for Tad Martin. One of them was Russell Todd. James Mitchell would just roll his eyes at Edmonds. Lucci was always very sweet and friendly, I suspect this was genuine and whatever unpleasant attitudes she had developed over time. I don’t blame her for not being happy with Sarah Michelle Gellar whose flat line readings were the pits. And she was a nasty little bitch, too, according to my hair/make up friends.

Back to Catherine Hickland as Lindsey! Name a better OLTL villain in the shows final decade…

Catherine was the first Faith on Ryan's Hope.

I’d completely forgotten about Tercels!

It should have been: Anna, I just don't know what to do about Clara.

In the prior thread, someone incorrectly said that Marcy and Susan rarely had scenes together when she came back to the show. Totally false. They immediately pitted Erica against Liza when Liza became her boss at WRCW. At one point, Erica even moved into the Chandler Mansion with Adam and Liza. He did it to make Liza crazy. Susan and Marcy had great chemistry as foes. I mean how good is this episode from 1995? Her return was amazing but then they gradually made Liza a fragile heroine. AMC always defanged their villainesses.

R2- love this. What did you do for the show? Tell us more. How was Ruth Warrick? Kim Delaney? Marcy Walker? Taylor Miller? More, more, more please.

R2. I'd love to hear more about James Mitchell!

For what I have heard, the juicy story is all the nubile young men Dack Rambo had around him while he was playing Steve Jacobi on AMC, circa 1982-83.

R4 Catherine Hickland was never Faith. You're thinking about Catherine Hicks but even she was Faith #3. First was Faith Caitlin, straight from Oh, Calcutta!, second was Nancy Barrett from Dark Shadows and then Hicks.

R7 True, there was a weird thing where they writers would send their blond harlots/villainesses down the same path - Natalie, Gloria, Liza.....all tangling with Adam and all going crazy or having some issues to the point of fragility or breakdown.

Natalie/Ross/Palmer/Adam was so electric I think they tried versions of it several more times, with less success. I guess it was the available storyline they had for anyone not named Susan Lucci.

R12- Life at Cortlandt Manor was so good when Ross and Natalie would bang in the stables behind Palmer and Ellen’s backs. They had sizzling chemistry and then they had to go and have Ross rape her. I was so hot for Ross when I was a kid. And to find out later he was gay IRL? Swoon.

Ross could have tickled me with his mustache. DADDY!

Lillian Haymen’s memoir - Driving Miss Viki, Tales From The Tercel is a must read. It should be made into a movie.

Love that clip of Erika and Liza. Wow was Susan Lucci looking good in that episode. Marcy was always great but yeah they defanged her.

Lindsey really was the best. I'm glad they brought her back for the finale.

I'm surprised Clara was never sent to the Loving purgatory.

A shame Marcy never won an Emmy for Liza. She was damn good.

More from behind the scenes at AMC! (And OLTL, please.)

I was going to bring up the storyline of Marion, Tad, and Liza. It could have been a joke of a plot but Marcy turned it into a heartbreaking story.

Related to this period of AMC, what was the logic in even temporarily pairing Greg and Amanda? I get that Liza was now occupied with the triangle with Tad and Marion, I know that Jenny didn't stay long with Tony, and I know that Amanda failed to hang onto Greg. But what was Greg's rationale for being with Amanda? Was he that lonely? Was he trying to convince himself it was right?

They never really paired Greg and Amanda. Amanda was in love with Greg since first grade. Then Greg got in his accident and was a gimp. He didn't want to burden Jenny with a crip husband. He saw Amanda as his best friend and allowed her to help him while he was in his Wheels Nelson phase. Amanda was head over heels in love with him but he never noticed. Liza did though(since when did you start wearing makeup and buying new shoes?). Then Amanda realized she was wasting her time and worked, against Enid, to get Jenny and Greg back together. When they did get back together they showed Amanda mooning over a picture of Greg while Laura Branigan sang How Am I Supposed to Live Without You?. Then she left town. I used to love when Liza treated Amanda like shit and Amanda took it LOLOLOL

Alfred Vanderpool loved Greg too.

Thank you, R23. It's clearer than I thought, especially the bit about Amanda NOT being allies with Enid. I had somehow thought that she was. In my mind, I was imagining the writers thinking they were going to use up whatever final story they figured for Liza/Greg/Jenny, with Amanda acting as the Liza subsitute.

At the start she did work with Enid. Then Greg sent Jenny a letter when he started getting better. Explaining why he broke up with her. Enid stole it. Amanda found it and realized she was just wasting her time. So she stole the letter from Enid and delivered it to Jenny. Thus getting them back together. Cue Laura.....Didn't come her for cyring didn't come her to breakdown it's just a dream of mine is coming to an end.

Alfred VanDerPool...

Enid was a HUGE cunt!

They gave Alfred the Faux Silver treatment. Put a big pair of glasses on him and everyone will think he's a nerd.

I stand corrected. The post is pretty correct except Jenny wrote Greg the letter. Enid and Amanda at 4:44

the continuation of the letter at 2:14. I was sad when Amanda left. I liked her character. She was a plot turner. This letter was a big deal.

Remember when Alfred was going to show "Duck Soup" to the class and it ended up being that porno that had Jenny cut into it? And what about that modeling agency Jenny signed up with. Wasn't it called FOXXXY? And Jesus, one look at Sylvia Miles who headed it up and you knew it was not above board. And then Amanda Bearse and Liza brought Greg to Foxxxys because they knew Jenny was a waitress there. I mean, this is great shit.

R31, I think Foxy's was the dive bar that Jenny first worked at in Pine Valley. It wasn't long, as she was underage. If I recall, Opal was the only one who didn't think it was wrong.

I think you're right r32. And more specific, I think Foxy's was in Center City.

[quote]I'm surprised Clara was never sent to the Loving purgatory.

Ellen said Nixon was her only protector on the set in the early days, until she tried to lead some sort of revolt backstage to protect her producer, driving a wedge between her and Agnes.

R34 The magazine cover that Lillian Hayman as an original cast member was not invited to participate in, left Carla standing in the back row instead of the front couch bookended by Jacqueline Courtney and the Third Viki.

Hats off to Ellen Holly.

Referring to Slee as "the third Victoria" is a delicious level of shade to which I can only aspire.

Did Slee attend Ellen Holly’s memorial service?

Yes, R37, and she got all the closeups in the news coverage.

Yes r37, she yelled “get that black bitch’s corpse out of my face.”

Lil's Tercel will be the name of my new band.

Aww I love that picture at r35. Still has real Jennie, Brad, and Sam. Although I must say nuSam was really good. They put her front burner for a while. Her drowning while pregnant was a good way for her to go oh they have fun Karen too. Pat Ashley sure had some hair. How did ugly ass Mahjong Anna get front and center? I did love how everyone called Carla by her passing name but Lil never stopped calling her Clara.

There's that evil little Brian Kendall sitting on Jim's lap.

R35, now I have to know about George Reinholt recording the show’s theme…

Bringing Marcy back as Liza was a great thing for AMC. Always loved Liza…even “defanged” she was still interesting.

Then that fucker Frons made them give storylines to that trash Krystal that would have been better with either Liza or Brooke. I’ll always hate that Liza, Brooke, and my Simone were pushed out in favor of the Careys and the Laverys.

I can’t even talk about the “Liza” who came back toward the end of AMC’s run..as an attorney for some reason!

AMC insider—were you still there when the divine Kate Collins came aboard? Natalie was my favorite soap character ever.

Brian Frons is the one who decided that the shows should backburner women like Liza on AMC and Felicia on GH because they were over 40. Also pushed Bobbie on GH way to the back burner. That's why Brooke on AMC disappeared from the canvas.

Frons didn't think these characters should be driving story since audiences weren't interested in them once they were past 40. Frons said their value to the show was limited because of their advanced age.

Frons did however allow a few women over 40 to drive story. People like Erica on AMC, Viki and Dorian on OLTL and Tracey on GH (although that had a lot to do with here pairing with Luke).

Incidentally, Frons did the same thing at NBC when he took over as head of daytime there in 1983. He put Bo and Hope on the frontburner and sidelined Doug and Julie --the faces of the show at that point. Being sidelined after driving story for the previous 14-15 years is what caused Doug and Julie to quit a year later.

Paul - she’s over here! Slee, helping Rauch fire Lil.

Hated fake Liza. Anyone remember who the VERY brief fake Greg was?

Yes, Jack Armstrong. Nice looking guy, normally wore glasses (but nit on AMC), very Clark Kent looking. I think he left the business. I suspect he was from a wealthy family and maybe dad convinced him to join the family business.

He’s still acting. Or at least up until 2021.

well he did look like Greg. Was this a Lau i sick replacement or they tried a recast? they should have paired him with fake nina

Lau kind of came in and out for a couple of years there until the character was totally written out. Dan Scardino also played Greg for a little bit (he was terrible). Bottom line, Greg just wasn’t interesting without Jenny. Armstrong was really cute, though.

Wasn't Armstrong one of the brief Kevin Buchanans? I think he was too white-bread. Kirk Geiger was good (and sexy) and, much later, Dan Gauthier was wonderfully hunky. And I remember Timothy Gibbs as being, well, trying. He was overacting, too intense, and, in the end, annoying.

It felt like Armstrong was Kevin for about 5 minutes, followed by that forgettable Ken something. There was another Kevin who wasn't bad, replaced by Gibbs I think. Gauthier was my favorite Kevin followed by Geiger.

I understand why they had to age up Joey Buchanan with Nathan Fillion, but I'm also liking the smartass attitude Chris McKenna bought to the role. I wonder if my opinion will change if/when I see the Billy Douglas storyline.

Timothy Gibbs was everything.

I just watched the SATC episode where Miranda dates a cop who is so hot she feels he’s out of her league. Timothy Gibbs was perfectly cast.

I think Timothy was on OLTL for about a week.

Gauthier was the ultimate Kevin. Had the looks, charm, a bit of the gray antihero, entitled, looked good in and out of a suit…

Pity they didn't take his clothes off more, as they did with John LoPrieno. The image of him in a tiny speedo under the waterfall is seared into my mind. Talk about VPL!

Don Scardino was woefully ill suited to dayrine as both Greg on AMC and Chris on AW. Perfectly fine actor but had a pasty white, boring face. Same was true of Brian Lane Green who was an awful Sam replacement on AW.

I still want Tim Gibbs inside me quite deeply!

Scardino was too old for those roles. He was a late 60's/early 70's guy. Trying to make him an Indiana Jones type on Another World was laughable.

Brian Lane Green was also a bad Brian Bodine replacement on AMC. They paired him with Dixie for a bit. He was about as convincing as Esther Williams on horseback.

Does anyone else remember the scene when Dixie and Brian had sex the first time? They played Human Touch by Bruce Springsteen. This was when Matt Borlenghi played Brian. He and Cady McClain actually had great chemistry which was surprising given how popular their other pairings were (Michael Knight and Kelly Ripa). Cady looked great in this era. That scene always stayed with me. I was 16 at the time. Wish I could find it on YouTube.

How did Susan Lucci manage to maneuver around the mess that was the Prospect Park revival? I'm surprised they got as far as they did without Lucci's involvement. I heard that OLTL/AMC once again became the property of ABC after the new shows folded.

It always felt like Gina's Kelly belonged with Gibbs and Tom's Kelly with Gauthier.

Kevin was supposed to have all of Todd's stories but ABC was chicken shit. I like Geiger and Gibbs in the more dramatic issue stories and Gauthier in love story dramas. I also wondered why he was never paired with with Marty who he had a past with him and became the most popular female tragic heroine for a time there and they never tried to tie her to a Buchanan. Instead they had Kelly running through all the Buchanan boys.

Yes, Jack Armstrong was a bad recast twice.

[quote] Don Scardino was woefully ill suited to dayrine as both Greg on AMC and Chris on AW. Perfectly fine actor but had a pasty white, boring face. Same was true of Brian Lane Green who was an awful Sam replacement on AW.

There could be a whole thread about soaps with actors that were pretty but tepid, especially recasts.

Most of the various Hart Jessups on GL were pretty milquetoast, except for the hot Armie Hammer lookalike that became paralyzed, and of course, Suddenly Eyetalian Hart, Frankie Grillo.

So Dorian Strassman was hated by everyone? Miss Frankie Valentini was a little inebriated this past weekend on the hamptons spilling the dirt.

,,,,,

JOE KELLY IS DEAD!

Dear gawd, why'd you have to kill such hot dick?

I started watching OLTL when I was about in 5th grade. My mother worked so she couldn't watch it. We used to put the tape recorder in front of the TV so she could listen to it while she did her housework when she got home. What I remember from those early days was how long, so so long, they would keep a story arc going. I started watching when Cathy Craig kidnapped Joe and Slee's baby. I swear that story went on for nearly a year. They should have never gotten rid of Cathy Craig. The actress who played her was great.

Marty and Kevin would have a good pairing. Loved Kevin Stapleton as Kevin and his pairing with Cassie was on of the characters best.

I go back and forth between Timothy Gibbs and Dan Gaultier but I think my favorite Kevin was/is Dan. Handsome, good actor, a bit of a sense of humor. I know Kevin and Joey weren't Clint's bio sons but Dan really captured best who I'd imagine the oldest son of Clint to be.

Bless Tim Gibbs, though. That man was so fucking sexy.

So sexy but dark Kevin was a miscast!

I can't remember his name. Kind of a useless post. When they first aged Slee's spawn the first couple of older ones they had were just AWFUL.

Yes, I didn't like them atall.

Wasn’t Nathan Fillion one of Slee’s spawns?

R81 Yes, he played one of the Joeys.

The one that ended up clearing the cobwebs out of Dorian's cooter.

He was a bit dark but I did enjoy the Claire Labine written Kevin for Gibbs that couldn't understand why his mother would have sympathy for his former friend and biggest enemy who almost ruined his life. Brother or not. There was a nice color of anger toward her that I thought made Kevin more interesting.

Joey also suffered from horrible recasts. Like Chris McKenna and Nathan Fillion…the rest pale in comparison. Bruce “Priest Joey” Hall was by far the hottest.

Don Jeffcoat was no Nathan Fillion.

Don Jeffcoat was OK but definitely B level to Nathan and Chris.

Chris was so fucking hot on Y&R.

Bring Chris McKenna back! You don't find that kind of raw hotness often.

It seems silly because I can't even remember his name now but I LOVED the romance between Cassie and the Priest.

Andrew

Tonja Walker gossip. When she joined OLTL, she went to The Wiz (early 90’s - Nobody beats the Wiz) and bought a tv/vcr combo so she could tape her scenes and watch them. Everyone at OLTL (except Queen Viki Erika Slezak) had to share a dressing room. Tonja presented her dressing room partner with the bill from The Wiz and said you owe me half since we’re sharing a dressing room. Her dressing room partner said no thanks, I’ll never touch that thing. lolololol

I forgot about Tonja. She was fucking amazing.

^To be clear, Tonja bought the tv/vcr to put in the dressing room so she could record the in house feed of rehearsals. Tonja also insisted of proudly displaying her 8 x 10 framed photo of her cast credit from General Hospital. The OLTL folks were not impressed. Tonja’s a piece of work.

she was magic on screen though. A nutcase but you can't deny how good she was.

Andrew.

I'm trying to remember how and why Cassie and Andrew ended. I'll have to googie it. They were such a major storyline for a while then they were like lets wrap this up on the next episode. It was odd.

Having seen Tonja in action behind the scenes, she’s a nutjob and wasn’t nice to people. She held up production. She came in with an attitude that she had been on General Hospital so bow down to me that I’m doing your measly OLTL. I can’t erase what I saw of her personally. Nasty egotistical bitch. And now to find out she’s a Trump supporter, forget it!

I wonder who Tonja shared a dressing room with? Karen Witter?

One of the black bitches.

Reverend Andrew was the original Hot Priest.

The American version of the Dishy Vicar.

I remember when AMC did a version of the “hot priest” with Brooke. He was played by hunky David Beecroft (damn, those Beecroft boys had some good genes) and I was into the storyline…get you some younger man priest dick, Brooke!

It ended abruptly when it inexplicably turned out he was actually Stan, the drunk driver who killed Brooke’s daughter Laura years and years before. Very weird twist.

YOU KILLED MY CHILD!

R100 I never understood that story. I mean maybe if they had dragged it out for years it would have been something. But it immediately hit the rocks because Brooke wasn't going to forgive him.

Greg Beecroft has his name over many of my jerk off sessions. Truly beautiful men.

They kept giving Brooke the most needlessly tortured love or near-love stories. Wasn't there ANY good man in Pine Valley?

When our generation is gone, who will tell the stories of the Tercel and Paul Rauch and Pat Ashley's BJs?

My mom was so upset when they broke up Brooke and Tom. She LOVED Tom Cudahy. He was a hot piece when he was young.

I liked Brooke with nearly all the males they paired her with. I did like the stories that were generated when she was paired with Adam though. Julia was the Meryl of daytime. Slee was the G.

I know that winning two Emmys isn’t exactly “underrated,” but I do feel like Julia Barr isn’t appreciated enough as one of the best soap actresses ever. Certainly not by that mother fucker Frons who got rid of her. Maybe because she was never over the top?

You can have your Slut of Springfield speeches and your hooker courtroom revelations, but to me, Brooke finding out her daughter had been killed by a drunk driver is the best bit of soap acting ever.

remember the brief fakeBrooke they had for a little while? God she sucked. Almost as bad as nuNina.

When I first started watching, Brooke wasn’t on. She showed up later and I remember asking my mom who she was, and she said that’s the REAL Brooke. I think she wasn’t back in Pine Valley for long when Tom’s friend raped her. I saw an old clip of that fake Brooke. She was terrible. Julia Barr was actually the second Brooke. I wasn’t aware of that for a long time. I think the first one was only on for a short time.

Julia was recruited from Ryan's Hope where she played gold digger Reenie Szabo. I agree she was a rock on AMC, such a steady, calming presence.

That brief Hulu reboot of AMC was pretty good, like old AMC, even without big leaguers like Lucci, Canary, and Knight. They paired Brooke with Dimitri, and it worked. I think if it had been a couple of years later and people were more used to streaming, it would have lasted.

R111 agree, the AMC reboot was leap years better than the OLTL one. They were about 6-7 years too early.

Now that DAYS is on The Cock, people are more in tune with the idea of streaming soap.

R107 i agree with you. Laura's death and Marty's gang rape had very special acting moments for those actresses. They did some stuff that was better than Judy Light's monumentally famous performance ..

No one will ever match Judith Light’s performance on the witness stand. Ever. I’ve watched the Julia Barr scenes where she learns that Laura died. They’re good, not great. Judith was great.

Honestly though Brooke was more important to AMC than Karen was to OLTL. After the witness stand every Karen story sucked. I mean for fuck's sake they had her and Marco working as carnies. Then I think she was in the jungle. Everything else about her fat ass isn't too memorable.

I’m waiting for the inevitable post that Judy Light’s courtroom scenes were studied in acting classes.

She was so fucking fat. Remember that polka dot dress she wore all the time? I'm so sad. I'm so sad. Get a job bitch.

I thought Nora and her courtroom speech is some of the shows best!

Nora was no Karen Wolek! Not by a long shot.

Meh. I never got the adoration of Karen Wolek. Any middling actress could have pulled it off. The only reason it gets so much attention it was just such an unheard of, original plot. Most of the credit goes to the writers and Mr. Herb Callison. I like the pretty, ditzy version of Karen a lot more.

Nora's stunning summation at Marty's rape trial is on par with Light. Especially the scenes in the bathroom before where she talks to Rachel about knowing she's defending 3 rapists without saying it. She was fantastic with Haskell in the bathroom sequence too because it was the first time in their relationship and dynamic that Nora was low key apologizing. "I know you've always seen me as a desperate, pathetic, liar. But I did not lie about this. And I think you know it".

GASP!

Double gay gasp!

Triple gay gasp, with a Ruth Warrick cue cards glance!

Add gay Langley’s side eye to the cue cards at the same time that Phoebe looked at them. It was hysterical.

I would file this project (that will not see the light of day) as so pointless. Who wants to see an octogenarian Erica Kane flounce around like an ingenue? Moreover, most of the greats are deceased at this point. If they want to mine AMc IP, they should go into the vault and edit a series of Greatest Stories and package for Hulu. Imagine if you could relive some of the best storylines in a newly edited way. I feel like fans would go apeshit if they could just hit click on, one example, Jenny & Greg’s Love Story: 10 episodes. Let’s eschew with a modern reboot and do that.

I DO I DO

Seeing the old episodes would be great. I love your idea of repackaging them r126.

For the old P&G soaps where the od episodes no longer exist they could retell certain storylines as period pieces. But that's an expensive pipe dream.

I know most are lost but there's not telling what I'd pay or a complete box set of AMC. OLTL I'd only want Clara's passing story, Jenny and Tim's doomed love affair, and to see Gillian Spencer playing Victoria. Oh and all the OG Dorain moments.

Oh for fuck’s sake! All My Children movies on Lifetime???? Oh hell NO! It will never happen.

We unfortunately have a plethora of materials with *lowers glasses and voice* the THIRD Victoria.

Was Plethora her lesbian alter?

They really should have kept Meredith and not Victoria

I wasn't watching then but "the death of Meredith Lord" would occasionally come up among soap columnists as a mistake.

Anyone care to elaborate? Couldn't they have kept both?

I believe Trash Van Devere was an early casting of Meredith.

I’d love an edited version of all the stories around Cortlandt Manor 86-87. Palmer, Natalie, Ellen, Ross, Julie, Nina, Matt, etc. Natalie being raped by Ross, Julie running away, Ross’s trial, etc. Good stuff.

In addition to the Jenny and Greg story, they could do the romances of Cliff & Nina, Angie & Jesse, Noah & Julia…etc.

They could also do: Who Killed Zach?

Who Killed Will?

Bianca’s coming out

The gay storyline with teacher Micheal Delaney, which grew into Laurel being killed at WRCW and the Kevin/Kelsey storyline

Brooke-Adam-Dixie-Tad/Laura’s death

Erica’s pill addiction

And of course…NATALIE IN THE WELL

I only know of Meredith after her death. I think I started watching when I was a kid right after she died. The main story was Larry getting over her death and soon after that Karen entering his life. The first Karen was a fun loving party girl and everyone thought that was what Larry needed. The first Karen really was a hoot. I don't know the reasoning behind her death but it's pretty much acknowledged it was a huge mistake. Up until her death Meredith was Viki's crutch. She died when robbers took over their house and pushed her and she hit her head or something like that. From what I'v read about the fan uproar was immense. Meredith was much more popular than Victoria. She was actually the female romantic lead.

Wiki does a pretty good write up of Meredith. It's pretty easy to see she was the star more than Victoria. At the time anyway.

Thanks r136 & r137.

Meredith was not the star at tall!!

Meredith was the young heroine of the show, and Viki was the crazy sister who was obsessed with her father. I think Viki became big again after Meredith died. Then, the show brought on Pat Ashley, and she became the star. When the Pat character was written out, Viki became a top dawg again. Go to the Paley Center to watch some of Gillian Spencer's scenes as Viki and Niki to be blown away.

Who would you rather write for? Gillian Spencer or Slee? I'd love to see Gillian as Viki. It was probably a whole different character without that ham salad slee playing her.

I remember how big Pat Ashley was on the show and then one day she was gone. I wonder why? I loved her evil twin story.

Jacqueline Courtney was a big name when she joined OLTL in 1975. She had been the star of Another World in one of the hottest romance triangles of that day, the Steve-Alice-Rachel triangle which had gone on for seven years. However, she was ultimately fired by Paul Rauch, who was the AW EP.

Courtney initially was just another cast member at OLTL, but she then became the center of the show under the reign of Joseph Stuart, who was EP from 1977 to 1983.

Stuart and Courtney were also lovers, which is likely how/why Courtney became the center of the show.

Stuart left OLTL to launch Loving in early 1983. The moment Stuart was gone, Courtney's screen time began to get small and smaller.

Paul Rauch, who had been fired as EP of Another World in early 1983, came aboard OLTL as a producer in summer 1983 (and became EP in 1984). However, before Rauch joined the show, he insisted the Jacqueline Courtney be fired and ABC obliged him.

And once Courtney was gone, I don't think the Pat Ashley character was ever mentioned again.

This is Pat Ashley, reporting from Paris.

We should all remember that Pat Ashley was the mother of one of Victor Lord's grandchildren, Brian Kendall, by Tony Lord. Also, her husband Paul Kendall was played by the beautiful Tom Fuccello, RIP.

This was one of the more interesting periods of OLTL. They promoted both Courtney and George Reinholt heavily. The show may have gotten a ratings bump, but Reinholt slowly fell into old habits, began acting like a fool again, and was fired. The romance with Joe Riley really helped the Viki character become popular. Then there was crazy Marcy Wade and Cathy Craig.

The guy who played Tony sucked. I heard that Courtney and he were major assholes on the set. They would sit right off stage and mock the other actors. Especially on their looks. That being said the minute Pat Ashley came on the set OLTL was on fire again. The Pat Ashley character was never dull or boring. Plus her voice was just great to listen to. Slee must have hated her.

Tony - or at least one of the Tonys - was played by George Reinhardt. He and Jacquie Courtney had been hugely popular - like Luke and Laura popular - on Another World. When they were fired from AW ABC brought them to OLTL to see if lightning would strike twice.

George was fired at OLTL after a year or so but Jacquie stayed on until Paul Rauch had her fired. He'd dealt with their shenanigans at AW and wasn't down for Round 2.

Jacquie was a cunt.

!!!!

Anyone else that loved Becky Lee? I loved both actresses who played her. She was one of my all time favorites on OLTL. The casting and writing for each actress were completely different. The first one was this little fragile flower and the second one was this Amazonian country gal who could plow fields any day of the week. She was the most interesting and fun Mrs. Asa Buchanan. She took zero shit from Asa. She was another one that was red hot for a while then just kind of dumped. OLTL had a bad habit of doing that with characters. Making them an integral part of the show and then just get rid of them like they were nothing to the fans. Oh. I hearts Mimi too.

I was never into OLTL as much as I was AMC, but I did watch it some in the 80s since it aired right after AMC. I sort of remember Pat, but I do remember Samantha, Becky Lee, Mimi, Delilah…were they all married to Asa at some point? I remember Samantha drowning (murdered?) I think? I also liked Becky Lee and really like Shelly Burch as Delilah. They had Delilah cross over to AMC a couple of times.

Delilah was about the prettiest actress on daytime. Plus she was talented enough. I really liked her. I vaguely remember the Samantha death. I'm pretty sure she was murdered but I don't know how they handled the baby she was carrying. I believe it was Rafe's? I thought the character of Sam was OK but I really loved the actress who played her so I was able to enjoy the character.

Dorian Lopinto played Sam. She had a Nina Cortlandt look and vibe. After OLTL, she was on the 9 to 5 syndicated show, and then had a long run as the mom on The Secret World of Alex Mack.

She really did look like Taylor. I'm glad she worked after OLTL. She was always enjoyable no matter who they paired her with.

I once saw George Reinholt at 30th St. Station in Philadelphia dressed head to toe in leather.

Mary Gordon Murray was wonderful as Becky Lee.

R156 A girl's gotta eat

That first Becky Lee was a total dyke and they paired her with Luke Reilly which remains one of the worst and weirdest daytime pairings of all time.

Dorian LoPinto traded upward when she joined OLTL. She had previously been on The Doctors.

She had a very small part on a Threes Company episode so the move to Hollywood didn't work out.

With as much nostalgia and retconning that oltl did, I’m surprised pat ashley or a relative didn’t pop up in the later years.

Understood the lead actress may no longer want to share that stage.

Plus it didn't help that Courtney is dead.

Poor Slee. When Jax was on she was reduced to the best friend role. Jax really took over OLTL when she came on. She was a breath of fresh air. Fake Vikie was a nice change of pace too.

Mary Gordon Murray was nominated for a Tony. I wish she had won.

I was looking in the Llanview book after this discussion.....many of the mid 70s characters/actors are there.

Didn't Pat Ashley go to Loving for a while?

[quote]Didn't Pat Ashley go to Loving for a while?

Jacqueline Courtney did. Pat Ashley did not.

She'll always be Pat Kendall to me.

The show kind of forgot all about good ole Joe Riley.

Steve and I had the kind of love she'll never know.

Do any clips of Gillian Spencer as Viki exist? I loved her as Daisy on AMC, but I’ve never seen her as Viki, or as Jennifer on ATWT.

Is that Susan Sullivan in R171 clip?

I've searched for clips of Spencer as Viki. All that's up is a 40 second one on YouTube. I loved her on AMC too. I'd kill to see some of her scenes. One thing left out of the Meredith death story is Niki Smith let her friends into the house to rob it. From what I've read when Spencer was playing Viki/Niki there was no humor. It was a dark place. Niki was also carrying on with Vinnie Wolek.

In high school, we had a tv in the senior lounge and I remember everyone laughing when they tarted up Slee to be Niki. It was a good storyline, though.

I always liked Jean Randolph and Tori more than Niki Smith. Those two bitches were ice cold.

Spencer did more writing for soaps than acting on them. She was head writer for a while for Another World and served important writing positions on a lot of other soaps. She also returned to OLTL not as a character but an interim head writer until they found a permanent replacement.

I just liked when Niki Smith seemed like somebody people would actually be attracted to. I'm thinking specially of that scene in 1985, where J.T. Walsh is clearly smitten with her.

All of Viki's alters were more interesting than her. Jean Randolph was such a great character. I remember when she checked into a hotel and looked at Viki's clothes and was disgusted. Then when she had to steel herself when at the Buchanans because they were huggers and she hated to be touched. Then of course the way she dealt with Dorian. When she played Jean was the only time Slee didn't get on my nerves.

[quote]Do any clips of Gillian Spencer as Viki exist?

I saw the ones at the Paley Center probably about ten years ago. I will compare watching Spencer in the role versus Slezak to those of us who grew up watching Lydia Bruce and Jada Rowland playing Maggie and Carolee on The Doctors and then discovering Bethel Leslie and Carolee Campbell's performances in those roles when The Doctors was rebroadcast. They are all good actresses, but they have different takes on the role.

Granted, I only saw three scenes, but Spencer was playing the part of Viki as someone who was pretending to be strong but fragile on the inside. In the scene, I saw Spencer playing Niki; they weren't calling her Niki; they called her Nicole, and she was pretty harsh and sexual, but not in a comedic way, like we think of Niki Smith.

Slezak's Viki embraced the Philadelphia Mainline stoic thing, and she played Niki, in my opinion, way over the top.

Spencer was pitch perfect in every scene I saw her in on AMC.

I remember Spencer as Niki was downright scary. Slee’s Niki was soft and non-threatening, at least at first.

There's a clip of Spencer on ATWT but it was the 90s and she appeared as a ghost. I don't think there's anything out there from when she was still alive.

I think there is an ATWT episode from 1974 on You Tube with Gillian Spencer in it. Jennifer and Kim spend the episode talking about Kim and John’s marriage.

Georgie Reinholt was queer.

Watch it, toots!

Eileen Fulton is 901 today!

R187, she looks great for 901!

Rumor has it that Fulton shits her diaper in a North Carolina nursing home.

Fuck, I meant 91.

That Tonja Walker story tracks..She has brought up the #1 GH vs #5 OLTL (when she joined anyway) and had this stuck up tone on her Youtube channel. The Trump thing was just IT for me. Bye bitch!

The Tonja Walker story actually does NOT add up. Are we really to believe that Paul Rauch was in the studio in the morning, went to Vermont in the afternoon then was back in the studio the next day to confront her about saying ‘cut’? Ok Tonja. Sure.

Here's an interesting OLTL clip from the 70's. The great Cathy Craig, the shitty Dorian, RealJenny, the fun Karen, the kisses doll Danny, Big Homo Tony, but the most important one is to fill in the gaps on who played Dorian. God this one sucked. Plus it was back to the days when they could have an episode without Slee.

R193. I don't care for that episode ATTALL!

R192. Tonja brought on Jess Walton and sadly she seems to be just as MAGA.

R195- No fucking way??? (regarding Jess) Wow....

You’d better believe it, darlin’.

If I see Tonja I'll be sure to kick her in the cunt bone.

R198. 'Atta Girl!

Linda Dano interviewed Slee last year which seemed to stir up some somewhat uncomfortable memories of Clint Richie. Dano mentioned she dated Clint briefly when they were both starlets at Fox Studios in the '60s.

I'll cut Jess Walton a little bit of slack. It might have been one of those Kelsey Grammer-Patricia Heaton getting sober turns you conservative things.

R200 Erika's said before that she cared about Clint but that he was unbearable at times when he was at his worst with drinking.

Erika is a registered Republican.

Who's Erika?

Oh no. Let's bamboo her fingernails.

R204 Slee!

R203- She is- but give her a break. In recent interviews she spoke very postively of homos- she mentioned that Kish storyline very affectionately-- And also, in one of her holiday newsletters- I think it was 2021? She mentioned (without saying his name) that Trump was human garbage. It made me feel better about her.

Tonja is a registered republican too and had the balls to call herself "liberal" on her video mentioned above..

I think Erika is a fiscal republican more than anything.

Unsure about Lucci, but she is probably similar to Erika.

R206. Yes...in these parts she is Slee!

Who gives a fuck what party a soap actress is in? You fucking political queens ruin every thread you touch.

I miss the good old gay days in Llanview, PA.

Part 1.

Part 2.

Part 3.

More black bitches.

I was a die hard AMC and OLTL fan, but Christ does this thread suck. There’s one asshole who tortures us with the Slee, Lil, Tercel, Kathy Glass trolling, right? It’s one fucktard, correct?

One, yes. And a trouble-making MAGAT on other threads.

Because I was a teenage Dark Shadows fan, I was introduced to OLTL at the beginning. I lost track of it during college and after, but once VCRs came, I was able to get back into it. There were wonderful parts and terrible parts, but I was hooked til the end. Living in NYC, I saw several of the actors on the streets (also actors from other soaps). I remember the first time Viki turned into Niki, Eterna, Cord's tight bathing suit, the very young, hot Clint Ritchie, Megan Gordon, Tina, Dorian's hunky boyfriend Jon Russell, David Fumero, the whole schmear. I was so sad to see it end, something that you think will last forever.

I recently watched Eterna on YouTube. I had about it at the time, but hadn’t watched. I really loved it. The production was great, especially the music (I’m not the OLTL fan who brings up the music all the time, but I certainly agree with him).

My complaint is that the story didn’t last longer. What a huge investment for a story that lasted basically one month.

R217 I think it was written by scab writers during a writers' strike. Someone here can either verify or dismiss what I say.

R218. I think you're right about the strike. The general public feedback though (especially from those bitchy soap opera magazine "reporters") was extremely negative. That could have killed it prematurely, too. I loved Andrea Evans in that Eterna jumpsuit!

R218, thanks, I didn’t know that. Rauch was responsible for the production/design right? Special theme song, special font, humongous new sets, costumes, etc. I assumed they’d milk all of that and that the story would last a lot longer. Story was basically February sweeps… when March rolled around the show featured location shooting (I think at Duke University) and Eterna quickly seemed a memory.

Oh yeah, that jumpsuit almost turned me str8

All- you are wrong- Eterna was NOT written during the Writers strike- that was 1000% S Michael Schnessel ( a gay man, btw)

And the musical cues composed for Eterna were fucking epic- and worthy of a film. As was all of the scoring from 85-90-

R220-Eterna was actually a damn fine mystery during the fall of 88 into early 89 before the underground city reveal- other than the rewriting of history- which really is offensive- it was a fucking thrillride. It was awesome. It was NOT just February sweeps- It was a 6 month storyline- and the mystery up front was really well done- Kind of like how Y&R would pace a storyline, but like 80's OLTL- it then took some cocaine and shit got real.

The brilliant Patrick London/ Faux Bo was written during the 1988 Writers Strike- and that shit was EPIC- GO rewatch the entire summer of 88 on Youtube- it was fucking amazing.

R217- I may or not be him! But I think I am him. Score Productions/Michel Camilo. You know how I do.

OLTL was a fucking revelation and I wanted to work on that show, but I was 10, so it was not in the cards.

Thanks r222

R219- To my knowledge- Eterna aired as written. Paul Rauch could give zero fucks about critics at that point and OLTL was still highly rated- and lost no viewers during Eterna- The critics panned OLTL/1989 across the board- I thought it was amazing, but holy shit- there was some serious violence- Sarah's rape, Gabrielle getting strangled on her wedding day- It was very lurid- but holy fuck, the actors on that show SOLD everything thrown their way.

OLTL would fall out of the Top 3 in the fall of 1989- it would come back in February 1990 during Mendorra (Top 3) but that was it-

It hit top 3 during Marty's rape trial for a few weeks as well- summer of 93-

R218- Its funny- that Writers Strike ended towards the end of summer 1988, and ETERNA is what those "refreshed" writers came up with! Its kind of funny in retrospect!! Eterna started in September of 1988- maybe early October- Viki's dreams, the HS reunion..

OLTL really planned this shit out. Bo came back in Feb/March of 1988- and thanks to YT- something was off with Bo from the jump- Faux Bo really lasted 6 months- and every bit of that was plotted/planned-

I had not started watching on my own (without my grandparents) until the summer of 88- I had no idea that Bo had been acting weird for many months, It was really well done and well written-

R220- Duke university was the BEGINNING of Eterna- Fall of 1988- Fraternity Row had just started late summer.. I. think March of 1989 focused a lot on Gabrielle/Michael and the lead up to the babyswitch storyline in May-

This is Pat Ashley reporting from Eterna.

I could be wrong, but I think it was the Buchanan City plot that got extended due to the writers strike. They were always going to do it, but they needed to continue for longer than expected because they were filling time?

R228- Correct Pat! And that one DID go way too fucking long. I have to say (I only watched on Youtube thanks to "The Palace" channel- that last month was lovely. The beginning was awesome and the last month. I particularly loved Blaze time traveling to the future- it was charming. And Erika really moved me- I was heartbroken for Ginny- And Clint Ritchie 100% deserved an Emmy nomination- The early part of the blindness storyline and the early parts of the Old West- he was a no nonsense actor, but he did a damn fine job. Probably his reputation as an asshole behind he scenes cost him that-

From the very first time he appeared on the OLTL screen, until his last scene, Clint Ritchie was everything. They did him wrong.

This is Pat Ashley reporting from the Old West

I hearts you.

The best scene in the entire run of OLTL, even thought they retconned it way too much, was when OG Dorian let Victor stroke out while dangling his heart meds in front of his face.

All right, ALL RIGHT victor you want the truth!? I never loved you.... then she went on to list everything she hated about him. Then he started to have his stroke and she dangled the meds in front of his face. It was beautiful.

Oh my goodness.

Buckysbabe?

R233- I am 44- I am not Bucky's Babe from 1999. Shit.

I really think CR was a very good actor, and he deserved a nomination for 87/88-

I think Phil Carey ruled as well- He was funny as shit. Asa/Tina- That was a duo. (Phil and Andrea) Andrea had chemistry with everyone- but her and Phil, killed me.

Does anyone else outright skip the Kevin & Stephanie scenes when watching 1991 episodes?

Its pure garbage. R235- Yes-

Just putting this out there, but the Cassadinification/Dimerafication of Victor Lord was the wrong move. He could have been a bad newspaper man who was fucking his daughter and her friends. The Buchanans was also a mistake. A bunch of Texas cowboys move to Pennsylvania? Llanview is on the Main Line not Pennsyltucky.

R222, the setup (and maybe some of the aftermath) may've been a six month story, but use of the special sets, costumes, font, score, special effects, etc. aired in February. Once the rescue happened that was pretty much the last those elements were featured.

R237- It was kind of META for that time due to Dallas. I loved the Buchanans, but I totally get it. I was not even born, but mid-late 70's OLTL was pretty intelligent drama. I once read that the show was a "psychological drama" in the late 70's. That is pretty impressive. I will say that 93-94 OLTL was similar?

R238- 100% correct, but the lead up to Eterna- was better than the underground city itself. (and I loved it!!) But its clear that the entire storyline was planned as written and written as planned- It honestly was a well done storyline from beginning to end- They committed to it- and executed it-

OLTL was consistently fucked by critics, when it actually tried to go beyond the genre (which Gottlieb tried to take credit for- yet much of her shit was as trite and boring as FUCK)

When Jessica got older it became a problem to have 3 young tortured heroines. OLTL had Marty, Kelly and then Jessica to almost play the same party except that Marty had audience background but no family connections. In reality they should have stuck with her to continue as Blair's nemesis. Tea didn't have the backstory to match Marty to keep it interesting.

I am a Marty STAN. As much as I really do not like Gottlieb or her OLTL- Marty and Susan resonated. What a deeply intuitive and 'earthy"? actress. She felt real to me. And I called it very early in 2008/2009? That Susan would win that Lead Actress Emmy. I NEVER expected her to even be nominated, but I said right here, if Haskell got nominated she would win. Her scenes were epic. (Everyone was obsessed with Debbie Morgan, who I have NEVER heard a kind word about in terms of her personality) Anyway, somehow Susan got nominated- and won. She was AMAZING. I do not understand why the show destroyed that character at the end,

I thought Marty having no family ties to the Llanview landscape was the most interesting thing about her character. She was an orphan and Viki met her through Megan as an orphan. An orphan heiress that inherited a fortune but drank and slutted her way through an illness she didn't know what to do about. Acted out and was a troublemaker until something horrible happened to her and she had to learn to value herself. It really was a great character.

R243- Where Malone and Gottlieb fucked up REPEATEDLY were things just like you mentioned. Characters on soaps must be tied into a core family. And short term arcs that do not have long term effects do NOT work. (Gottlieb's "short term" arcs idea was a fucking dud and ended within a year)

That was even a criticism over Megan's death- that entire thing lead to NOTHING beyond Megan's death.. I remember reading that that they did all of this wonderful work, that ended- like a film. And soaps do not work like that- It was true.

However, Marty was a testament to Susan's talent and Malone's as well. (Despite his shortcomings)

If you were to put Marty in one of the OLTL core families-would you make her a Lord, a Buchanan, or maybe a niece of Dorian’s?

I think the Marty character was unique in this sense but i agree. It really worked for this character. The easy way to keep her tied to a core family would have been to tie her to Kevin. But her actual connection to Kevin was pretty ugly so they never went there.

They could have always made Marty Pat Ashley or Becky Lee's daughter. What about Mimi King's daughter?

She definitely had a connection the a core family but it was dark. One of my favorite OLTL promos of all time was like a week before the rape trial and the commercial being about "WHAT DO YOU DO IN A TOWN DIVIDED?" And it had a bunch of clips of family members and and friends arguing about sexual assault and ending with Max and Luna arguing and he tells her "I know Kevin would never rape anybody. Not in a million years." and Luna says "Women don't lie about rape."

R245- AWESOME QUESTION!! I have no idea! I would have loved her to be Katrina Karr's daughter Mary..

(I fell in love with Brynn Thayer in clips- I find her to be onne of OLTL's most underated actresses)

Love child of Katrina Karr's would've been delicious. But i always did like the orphan sadness of her character. Haskell played it well.

DL fave Sue Haskell's best OLTL moment

Marty:"I was not responsible for Sarah's death. I was nowhere near that accident" Nora: "No you weren't. But you still lied about it. Doesn't that say something Miss Saybrooke? That even when you're innocent. Your first impulse is to lie." M: "But when no one believes you. No matter what you say." N: "It's like the little boy that cried wolf." M:"Yes" N:"Or rape?" Marty just nods and cries.

Why is it Susan Haskell never did anything else? You would have thought other soaps would have competed to sign her up when she left OLTL. Never any prime time, I think a couple independent movies no one ever heard of.

I think Haskell could have gone on to have the type of career Judith Light ended up having. Boy did she live up to her potential!

She was very tied to that character. Both Sarah Brown and Martha Byrne when they were offered the part to return were hesitant because they both thought it was too closely related to the actress. Byrne was almost the Christina Chambers version. But Martha was a huge Haskell fan and didn't wanna touch it.

When Martha was offered the part she said it was it was such a great role but audiences will only ever see one actress in the part.

You're telling us!

This is Pat Ashley reporting from a spaceship to Heaven.

The storyline in which Pat Ashley had an identical sister or cousin with a British accent was hilarious. The actress was simply so bad.

R242 I hate that trope so much. Writing off characters by making them going crazy is almost as bad as killing them only to brought back from the dead. At least we got Marty throwing Natalie off the side of building.

At one point, it was going to be revealed that Todd was the real Kevin Riley, but they scrapped the story. Apparently, Viki got the wrong baby back when he was kidnapped. Given Viki and Todd's relationship later in the series, it would have made sense. I'm not sure why they didn't go with it.

r259

So they recycled the thought with Jessica and Natalie and could have made Todd and Kevin twins as well

Don't you dare R257 don't you dare

Marty should have been Niki Smith's baby. That year Viki put on weight and then was sent to a "spa" by victor.

I was just listening to a Dark Shadows podcast. The guest was Mary O'Leary, a soap producer for several shows. She mentioned that ABC seriously considered canceling OLTL in the early 1970s but canceled Dark Shadows instead because Dan Curtis was more or less done with the show and didn't want to lower the show's budget. If Dan Curtis hadn't wanted to end his show, I guess OLTL was on the chopping block. This proves my theory that OLTL was always the ABC red-headed stepchild of soap, even in its early days.

What storyline earned Slee her first Emmy in 1984? The period on OLTL from the end of the Katrina/Jenny baby switch, and the return of Andrea Evans., seems so unremarkable.

r264- Great question- 83-84 looks very bleak on YT. The show seems incredibly hokey and old fashioned- like something from the 50's- I am not surprised that the show dropped in the ratings.. I want to know too! Wait!!! I think I know- Hold on a second-

Emmy 1- (83/84) Clint cheats on Viki with Echo diSavoy

Check out link-- Its kind of cool- if you are a SleeFan.

It's interesting that only 3 of her emmys involve her DID

That Emmy she won at Megan’s bedside was undeserved. Jessica Tuck or Elizabeth Hubbard were more deserving that year.

Was that the storyline where Viki said, you stink of Echo?

R269. That was when Charlie Banks had an affair with Echo in the shows final years. She used those scenes to get her last Emmy nom but then switched to the scenes where she played Victoria and all of the alters trapped in Viki's mind. She could have won if she kept the scenes she had with Brian Kerwin and Kim Zimmer.

Poor Nancy Pinkerton. Did she ever work again after OLTL?

R271. No. Once you make out with Sheppard Strudwick, you've reached the pinnacle

Nancy went to the Doctors and Guiding Light. Then she died.

She was on ATWT as Dorothy Connors, Whit McColl’s housekeeper/mistress/murderer.

I was just flabbergasted by how quickly they got rid of Pat Ashley. When she was on, everyone I knew who watched, Pat was there favorite character. She just brought some needed life to the show and her and Bo were a great pair.

Jeffrey David Pomerantz was a hot piece of ass.

Porn actor Jerry Butler had a bit in his memoir about being a day player on OLTL in the early 1980s and two “mature” actors vied for his attention. They would even take bets on who could bed the latest, hottest day player or extra. I know one of them was Anthony George (Will Vernon) but can’t remember who the other one was.

Farley Granger promised, for what in return I can only guess, that he would get Jerry Butler the part of Brad Vernon. LOL

Which soap had more gay actors-AMC, or OLTL?

AMC By far.

Louis Edmonds and James Mitchell were green with envy on Friday afternoons when Dack Rambo’s playthings showed up at the studio before heading out to Fire Island for a non stop fuckfest weekend.

Don't forget Mike Knight.

And Clifford Warner

Edge of Night beat them combined.

Gasp

I've been watching your house. I know your schedule.

Edge of Night had so many cum stains on those studio walks. Did Edge ever hire a straight actor???

Dixie Carter. Lord, Edge of Night had the junkiest sets.

The Karen Wolek hooker story was already done on Another World. Sharlene Watts was the first daytime hooker - and even won the Emmy before Karen did. Laurie Heineman was way more subtle than Judith Light too.

a hammer to the head was more subtle than Judith Light

R289. And what do you mean by that? TALBOT HUDDLESTON!!!!

When OLTL was circling the drain, they should have brought Karen back for a brief arc. Of course she was snorting coke on Dallas in 2011/2012.

[quote]hooker story was already done on Another World. Sharlene Watts was the first daytime hooker - and even won the Emmy before Karen did. Laurie Heineman was way more subtle than Judith Light too.

Donna Beck on AMC came before Karen Woleck. Her story started in 1976.

About the same time as Donna Beck on AMC, Another World had Sharlene Watts. The Sharlene character was already on the canvas as married to Dr. Russ Matthews when the prostitution story started in 1976. In this case, Sharlene had been a hooker in the PAST. She was not turning tricks while in Bay City and married to Russ, although she was getting propositioned by an old john.

Likewise, Another World never used the word "hooker" or "prostitute." Another World said she was a "B-Girl." That's how Sharlene referred to herself in her big confession to her husband before she left town.

Light was more than willing to come back but they only offered the "Hi Anna and Jim are you playing Mahjong tonight?" type of story so she passed. She did plenty of interviews right before the cancellation praising soaps and here costars.

you forgot some major gays from AMC. Greg and Jesse.

Dark Shadows has them all beat.

Actually Gwen Sherman was the first hooker I recall on soaps on Y&R 1974.

And of course there should have been Ted.

Ross chandler also gay

Anything on Charles Grant (Preacher on Edge Of Night, later Evan Frame on Another World). He was his hottest on AW. I swear I think he was married to Kim Delaney for about a minute.

On Y&R, DL Fave Brenda Ickson almost went into the biz. She was at the whorehouse and opened the door and who should she see but her brother.

Charles grant…

Was Draper Scott into the hole or pole?

Isn’t Kathleen Noone a lezzy?

Will Debbi Morgan be playing a granny in The Gates?

R304. If she doesn't sign, they're going to hire Glenn Close to bring over her Deliverance character as the matriarch.

Dimitri on AMC was a big mo too. Jesus. Maybe Joe Martin was straight?

Isn’t Lonnie Quinn, the first Will Cortlandt, also a gay? I know he became a weatherman, so maybe I’m confusing him with another Weather Gay.

This triggered a memory of the first Dixie. She was pretty terrible. AMC did that a lot—cast someone in an important new role before they had the “right” person. The actors we associate with characters like Donna, Brooke, Trevor, Terrence, Skye, Brian Bodine, Julie Chandler..none of them were the originators of their roles.

Lonnie Quinn is a strong, strapping, hairy heterosexual! No fag there!

Does anyone remember Margaret Klenck who played the reporter who Judith Light once slapped. She was in an indie movie called Hard choices and I remember being unsettled by it. There was also a scene where she and I think John Sayles casually snort a line of coke. She's now a Jungian analyst.

R309. She was a Lewis! A reporter at the Banner and eventual fiancee to Mario Corelli (in actually Marco Dane). If I remember, she use to rile Slee up at times.

a Lewis

Yes, a. And didn't she go from long hair to short, almost as a way to redeem her.

a....sorry.

Omg...why is " " getting cut off?

DL is not allowing us to print her name. The character' name was + a.

Muriel! What is going on?!

They're not allowing us to print.....well, there was a famous male NBC newscaster whose last name was Newman. It was a female version of that.

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Margaret Klenck (such an unfortunate name) had a hatchet face. It never made sense to me why she was ever a regular on a soap.

LOL!!!!

31 years ago, the Ed win a Lewis person died and the New York Times wrote the obituart as if it were the actress who appeared on OLTL who had died.

Oooppppps!

Wasn't it revealed that reporter E. Lewis was the daughter of none other than the dastardly Dr. Ivan Kipling? As I recall, it was never revealed to her.

Yes, Iva Kipling was indeed her father, but I don't think they ever revealed that to Ed Win A.

As I recall, they wrote her off suddenly and never had scenes where she learned the truth.

Has anyone else read "Llanview in the Afternoon"? It's a fun interview style read, available on Amazon. Even Slee gets in on the fun!

I wish someone would do oral histories of the P&G soaps and GH.

All My Children seems like it was for the most part a harmonious set, so that might not be as interesting.

Yes great fun and informative r323.

There was a fucking news story about Margaret Klenck cutting her hair off!

I remember casually watching OLTL sometimes and thinking with E dwin a and Samantha, they had two wannabe Taylor Millers.

I love some of the ideas. Katrina's love child being the best among them but I agree Marty worked as an orphan. It made her sadness and her ordeal all the more sad. Because she only had the kindness of strangers. She should have ended up Kevin's soulmate,

R259 this is why I always liked the way Lebine wrote Kevin. Because he had a constant conflict with Viki speaking to why she would ever have sympathy for someone that almost ruined his life. I thought Gibbs was a great Kevin. And he was electric with Gina Tognoni.

Did we ever meet Marty's Aunt Kiki?

Or was she just referred to, but never seen?

The house that Dorian moved into and named La Boulé was originally Aunt Kiki's house.

Ooops, meant to include the link.

In the famous Karen courtroom scene, there's a cut of E. Lewis with an intrigued, smiling look. This is after Karen slapped her.

R331 WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT, MR. CALLISON?!

[quote] I wish someone would do oral histories of the P&G soaps

Same.

I think a few of the blogger types tried but didn't get very far. I've been hoping for something like that for ages.

Maybe that FAT obese pig Casey Hutchison will do it.

R334. I'm sorry. Who is that?

R335 Don't mind the mentally ill soap troll. Ignore it and its nonsense.

R329 we did a couple of times. But the house was ultimately Marty's. Kiki tried to take it but failed. When Marty was gang raped Kiki basically told her she deserved it and didn't believe her. We never heard from her again.

Marty not having a family always made me feel more sorry for her. I wonder if that was the idea.

Wasnt Aunt Kiki played by Marj Dusay? Or am I imagining this

It wasn't Marj, though the actress certainly had a similar sound/look.

The actress also looks a bit like Elaine Princi in this clip.

I thought everybody loved Wedina. She looked great with the haircut.

[quote]OLTL would fall out of the Top 3 in the fall of 1989- it would come back in February 1990 during Mendorra (Top 3) but that was it- It hit top 3 during Marty's rape trial for a few weeks as well- summer of 93

The show never looked uglier than during this transition era. Throughout 1991 every square inch of Llanfair was covered in Laura Ashley floral patterns. You don't usually think of the early '90s as severely lacking taste but it was a real claustrophobic look.

R342 I loved that look!

The Buchanan boys must have been kind of out place in all that floral.

I may have posted this before, but I loved the Georgie Phillips era of OLTL. I think JFP was producing, but I'm not sure who was writing.

That Laura Ashley look was dreadful. They had Kim Z in those outfits at GL and poor Kim Hughes looked like someone ripped the covering off a couch with her knockoff Laura Ashley prints over at ATWT.

I still haven't found the rainbow's end. *sobs*

R347. But I'll give you tomorrow!

I think it’s fair to say a big reason OLTL fell out of the Top 3 was the departure of Andrea Evans. Tina’s wild storylines drove a lot of water cooler chatter and press.

And sadly, even though she was My Tina, Karen Witter couldn't replace her.

I used to love when my new issue of EPISODES arrived!

What about me?

Get these blonde bitches out of my face.

R352. Oof....

R351. PERFECTION!

Episodes was a great mag.

I don't know this Laura Ashley.

R357. Me neither

Was Andrea Evans in the In Memoriam segment on the Emmys? (did the daytime Emmys have one?). If not, she absolutely should have been!

The year she died, yes, I believe so.

R360- they had the nerve to list her credit as Passions. Not One Life to Live. What a travesty.

How many soaps had she done? Four?

I remember when Tina moved to Genoa City.

Kate Collins was magnificent. It’s hard to believe she was only on AMC for seven years (originally). They should have killed off Trevor instead of Natalie. I know Kate wanted to be with her new husband in Chicago, but I think she might have stayed longer if she didn’t have to work opposite that asshole Kiberd.

I don't even understand why so many people liked Kiberd. I didn't mind him on Loving but once he moved to AMC yuck.

The well story brought AMC back to 2nd place, while the rest of the ABC soaps were dropping.

Were Natalie (and Kate) considered a threat to Erica and Lucci? It seems like any female character on AMC who threatened Erica’s dominance was quickly dumped, with the exception of Brooke.

As much as I loved them all I miss my Loving the most. I know most disagree but I thought it was a great show. Plus it was the only one I got to watch from start to finish. Plus it really had the hottest guys. The father what a waste story was so good.

I watched Loving from the beginning but lost interest in the last few years of its run. Christine Tudor as Gwyneth was awesome.

Loving's biggest attraction, aside from Trucker, was it was only a 1/2 hour. The shows were always tight. The last year of Loving was its best.

R366- OLTL fan and AMC hater- I even watched Natalie in the Well- It was absolutely excellent- AMC stayed in 2nd place a while I think? And wasn't this the time (or shortly after) when Days shot to #2? Or that may have been a few years later

ATWT and GL also benefitted from ABC’s ratings drop, both rising in the ratings in 1991/92. Then they faltered (Marland’s death/exodus of GL Actresses in 1992), and Days and Bold and the Beautiful benefited from that.

No love ever for Ryan's Hope and it was the most Emmy honored soap.

By the time I’d started watching soaps, Ryan’s Hope was no longer shown on my ABC affiliate, so I never r ally saw much of it. I do remember seeing hot young Grant Show!

Bring Ilene Kristen in as Delia (since she is in fact Ava's mother) and she can be a foil to Tracy. She can start a May/December with Giolin...

R330, thanks so much for posting that clip! At the end he teases that they’ll soon have Cusi Cram on. I always assumed her first name was pronounced like Susie. Guess it’s actually pronounced more like QZ.

Cusi Cram is too fat! Fire her.

R376. I won my first Emmy under Jean, and she was a wonderful woman. Linda Gottleib, however, was a CUNT! I didn't like her ATTALL.

The rumor is that Slee was beyond PISSED that she was overlooked from ‘97 to ‘04. Not 1 Emmy nomination. Brought her ego back down to earth.

Ryan's Hope was not shown on my hometown ABC affiliate at ALL for its whole run. I only got to see the last 18 months or so when I went off to college.

Weirdly, our ABC affiliate also had GH on at 9 AM and on a one day delay. This was even during the super popular Luke and Laura years. AMC and OLTL were popular but THE soap in the early and mid 80s in my hometown was Guiding Light, because it was the one on a channel everyone could get AND the one with youthful storylines that kids could watch at 3 pm when school was out.

R378. I can see that. Of course, her starting to wear low cut tops in 98/99 to seduce Mark Derwin probably turned the Blue Ribbon Panel off considerably.

This is Pat Ashley, reporting from the matron section of Lord & Taylor's lingerie department.

[quote]Were Natalie (and Kate) considered a threat to Erica and Lucci?

Very much so. She was her main rival as far as being the show's alternative lead actress and a sex symbol. Not to mention she could act circles around her.

If they had given Kate the push she deserved she would have undoubtedly gone into the top 5 most popular actresses. The only thing Lucci had that worked against Collins was that she was there from the beginning.

Lucci was way more cutthroat than most accounts suggest. To some degree she was OK with Barr because she recognized Erica needed a rival, and she was OK with anyone who could be Erica's sidekick.

But she had big issues with anyone who tried to usurp her space on the show, and certainly Kate Collins as Natalie would have been the show's new star had she stayed on - it was a combination of loathing Kiberd and a lot of pushback from Lucci that led her to leave.

Lucci also had several other snit fits as we know - Sarah Michelle, of course, and Faux Silver.

Lucci couldn't have been very happy about Dorothy Lyman getting all sorts of acclaim and winning two Daytime Emmys.

Interesting that the only actresses on AMC who stayed on the show after winning an Emmy were Julia Barr (supporting) , Cady McClain (younger actress) and Dorothy Lyman (won supporting then lead the following year).

Everyone else who won an Emmy was gone within 12 months of winning.

Kathleen Noone gave an interview to TV Guide when she joined Knots Landing and said that was a joke behind the scenes-Win the Emmy, Lose Your Job.

Natalie, could you use a change of panties?

Another gay from AMC was Jeremy Hunter. The only gay I know of on GH is Kin Shriner and Tony Geary.

Jean LeClerc was a homo? Shocked, I tell ya.

Eileen was a dyke?! Stunned, a tell ya!

Was our beloved Lil Hymen also a lezzy? She never married………

A lesbian?

Without BENEFIT of CLERGY???!???

Only the tercel knows for sure

Lil's Tercel should be in the Smithsonian.

Lil’s FAT black snatch makes me moist - down there!

Did Anna ever have a real story?

Doris Belack was rather homely. Quite downright ugly.

DB was great in Tootsie.

Anna and Eileen were the matriarchs, characters over 40 and talk-to's. Eileen had a pill popping sl when her husband died, and when her daughter Julie moved in with her boyfriend without being married, it was supposedly a sl that Agnes experienced in real life with one of her daughters.

I've only seen her in about three clips on YouTube but I love what I've seen of Eileen and the actress who played her. Wish there were clips of Mark Tolland and Julie.

The actress who played Eileen went on to play Miss Ellie’s BFF Mavis on Dallas and Ellen DeGeneres’ mother on her TV show.

That's cool. Like I said I've seen about ten minutes in total of her but she was really engaging and easy to watch.

She got a good write up on Wiki. She was Joe's sister and apparently at the time a Jew marrying a Catholic was a big deal. OG Dorian was wrapped up in her fate.

An appreciation video! And no clips from OLTL?

Tom Berenger was unbelievably hot as Tim.

Eileen on Dallas. She was good. Looked good too.

R406. Miss Ellie was a dumbass acting shocked about someone having an affair....pleeeeeeasseee

Alice Hirson was the last Eileen - and was terrific, but Pat Roe played the part originally and she was fantastic. Roe had been an understudy to Bette Davis on Broadway in Night of The Iguana.

You know who was a good actress? Lieux Dressler as Alice Grant. She was a supporting character and she played it so low key that she never got the credit she deserved. When given an actual scene though she was great.

R409. Daughter to Marie?

Lieux Dressler was great as Alice Grant.

I am surprised another soap didn’t hire her as the mother of some psycho.

I think Lieux was only five years older than Robin/Heather. How did they get rid of Alice? I had stopped watching.

I think Alice just faded away. Gloria Monty made a mistake deciding to make her Diana's murderer. It was a last minute rewrite. It was Heather All Along!

OLTL from 1980.. Lots of Pat Ashley and again not one second of Slee.

R414. 17:30. Oh, MARY! Hal Sommerville was totally checking Mick Gordon out!

Mmm, that big beast with meaty thighs....I'll have some of that!

Alice Hirson is still alive! Bring Eileen Seigel to GH! And Rachel Ames is still hanging in there.

Believe it or not, I remember when Mick Gordon came on the scene. And I came too.

Sadly, it looks like the actor who played Mick Gordon aka Mr. Big and Meaty died a few years ago.

^^James McDonnell. It's listed in his IMDB that he's deceased but there's no info. Google doesn't bring much up, either.

Here’s a fun walk down the Pine Valley Memory Lane.

Mona Kane looks so much like my mother in law…

Heflin and her crooked mouth.

R422. Dr. Charles Tyler found it very sexy. Mona Kane was a saucy, slutty minx!

Devon and her crooked snatch.

Devon McFadden licks rotten tuna cans!

At least Wally shot some Bierdz-like loads.

Oops, I meant Wally #2, the handsome one with dark hair, Nigel something…

I petted Jackie Babbin’s pussy, Bonkers.

Amanda, PLEASE! Try to act like a young lady.

How did Devon last for so many years on the show. She’s such an unappealing, whiny character played by a mediocre actress.

Who knows. They even tried to pair her with Cliff. They gave her character so many great stories but she sucked in all of them and none of the stories went anywhere. Mostly because she was such a bad actress and not only bad but unappealing. They should have recast her early on. I don't know anyone who didn't hate her.

No idea how Tricia Pursley lasted so long as Devon.

She was on for four years, left and they brought her back a year later to fall for Dona Pescow's lesbian character Lynn Carson who gently rebuffed her saying she was just confused, but heterosexual.

Definitely one of the weakest points on the show.

One of my favorite new characters towards the end of AMCs run was Simone, played by Terri Ivens. She was always second banana to Greenlee and Kendall, but she deserved better. She was sexy but also good with comedy. I loved when they paired Simone with Tad, they had great chemistry, but they broke them up and paired Tad with that trash, Krystal. Then Simone became a victim of that stupid Satin Slayer storyline.

Over on Days of our Lives, they're currently doing a soap within a soap plotline, much like the Fraternity Row story on OLTL in the late 1980s.

The soap on Days is called Body and Soul and it is set in a town called Pine View.

Simone was a great character. They needed to keep her with Tad or find a way to connect her to the legacy characters. She fit right in.

We were supposed to identify with Devon lusting for Dan Kennicott because she wasn't a beauty, and she had to settle for loser Wally.

She was always crying.

and fighting with her mother. For fuck's sake they gave her the lez story which made headlines outside of the soap world. Donna Pestcow wanted her snatch. Devon couldn't even turn that into A list.

I think Myra Murdoch wanted her snatch too.

Liz Lawrence was indeed a big ole lez.

[quote]Monique Jonvail

Jonville

OLTL was better than AMC

Thank you R442! Agree 100%. I hate these shared AMC and OLTL threads. Totally different shows. And that cunt Agnes threw away OLTL like Christmas trash. So fuck AMC. I think that Y&R, OLTL, and GL were far superior to the overrated AMC.

Maybe a good poll to put at the top of the next thread…

Include “both/equal/don’t care” though.

I loved both shows but definitely not equally. #oltl

Sorry, OLTL fans, but The DL has already settled this.

that is an entirely different perspective although interesting r445

The favorite among the whole soap universe may be different than the favorite between just “x v y”

Just ask Ross Perot or rfk jr

OLTL has more soap iconic stories and moments than most of the others. Carla's "passing", the original Jenny baby switch, Karen's prostitution, Viki's DID, Megan's Death, Marty's Gang Rape. Most soaps never had one of those.

R447- don’t forget Andrea Evans’s imperial era, 1985-1990. The show was at its peak popularity during that time.

R448. Amen. And that summer of 88 was even better than I remembered it.

The beginning of the end for OLTL was when Rauch chased Lil out to the garage and fired her as she was getting into her tercel. Sad, sad day.

R450 - ugh. Can you, like, die soon?

Eldergays do you remember Dr. Joyce Brothers coming to OLTL to counsel Meredith Wolek after one of her twins died? The 1969-74 period was my favorite time for OLTL. The Rachel Wilson story withNancy Barrett was also great. Michael Storm was the soap stud to die for back then. I hated when that Buchanan trash invaded the show.

From1987 -1990 - eterna, faux Bo, Fraternity Row, Tina/cord, the old west, Max/gabrielle, Maria Roberts!, Sarah/Bo…so much amazing stories and acting.

I loved the 90s - Megan’s death, bo/nora, Marty’s rape, Billy Douglas and rev. Andrew…

I already confessed to being an oltl guy but an argument has to be made for all my children:

Charles Tyler/phoebe/mona

Phil and Tara

Joe and Ruth/the Martins/opal and tad

Tad and Dixie gaslit by Adam

Adam and Stuart

Brookes daughter dui

Hayley and Arlene

Natalie and Janet

Cliff, Nina, Palmer, daisy

Jessie and Angie, jenny, greg

Tad, Liza, Marian

ERICA KANE

“Palmer, I can’t fly down to South America with you to hunt down Nazis! I’m ERICA KANE!”

R454- I GET it. We all know- AMC was the gold standard of soaps (It was my mom's show too) And I can even look at those 82-84 shows and "get it".. (And I think Julia Barr and Kate Collins were 2 of daytimes GREATEST- ( i really do) but I really think that AMC was overrated as FUCK. It's ever mentioned humor was HOKEY as fuck, the show almost always looked cheap, Lucci is the most OVERRATED actress in history.. When I watched with my grandparents in the mid to late 80's I could NOT WAIT for OLTL. However, I must say- I fucking loved PHOEBE!! (which in my mind until well into the 90's was spelled FeeBee) she fucking KILLED me, and I loved how that old hag would always look directly into the camera. But I will take a red headed stepchild ANY DAY. Especially one (that at its best) can combine insanely outlandish and over the top storylines and combine it with intensely character driven dialogue and actors actresses were insanely committed to SELLING that shit KNOWING that they would not get 10% of the acclaim that their sister shows did- while actually hitting # 1 and BEATING AMC consistently post 1986 into 1989. And let me remind you cunts that OLTL had much better ratings than AMC at the end, and also beat their finale ratings- by ALOT. Fuck AMC and definitely FUCK GH. (I am aware that Prospect Park AMC was far better than OLTL's- which was interesting considering how well OLTL ended) AMC's finale sucked a donkeys hairy balls. AMC will always win. I am here to defend OLTL- Its not hard to do. It was very flawed, yet very special.

Thanks r456

Geez,calm down R456. Look, you love OLTL, and that’s fine. You’ve been spouting the same stuff since I’ve been coming to DL and reading the soaps threads. I’m sorry that your beloved OLTL isn’t mentioned in the same breath as other soaps that most people consider amongst the “greatest.” I’ve never seen anyone here trashing OLTL like you do AMC, over and over. It’s your favorite, we get it, and you’re bitter that it was never as highly regarded as AMC, despite OLTLs memorable storylines and multiple Emmy wins. Myself, I rarely ever got into it, “Talbot Huddleston!” aside, but I respect that YOU loved it.

It just is what it is. I happened to be at a gathering the other day, and the conversation among the group turned to old soaps people remembered. (I did not start the conversation) This was a group of really old and kind of old (like me),men and women, straight and gay. Most people mentioned AMC, and how they loved it in high school and college. Also mentioned were Dark shadows, Days, As The World Turns, Another World, General Hospital, Guiding Light, Edge of Night, and Y&R. No one brought up OLTL. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t popular at the time, or good, but it just isn’t the “favorite” of most people who aren’t still into talking about soap operas.

It doesn’t make your love of it invalid. You can still love it, and bring up all the great storylines you liked, but you have to accept that it will never be as beloved as AMC in the public consciousness.

I love you all, if that means anything! And it definitely should!

R458- Yes that is me. AMC's reputation bugs the hell out of me, what can I say- You are correct.

I wonder why ABC was so willing to sink so much money into Loving. The sets, the cast, the writers. I loved the show but I wonder why they never gave the tired sets of AMC a facelift.

AMC was the “cool” show.

R461. If possible, you have to admit the July 1994 tornado was well done. And it got Kim Delaney to put down the bottle for at least a day or two.

a very young Trucker from Loving

Has Miss Victoria Sleestack admitted the truth?

R465. I don't know to what you are referring ATTALL!

Uhh, R464, that was not Robert Tyler.

For lack of a better metaphor, All My Children was Rodgers & Hammerstein. One Life to Live was Rodgers & Hart. Loving was Richard Rodgers' last 19 years of hit or miss shows.

I never missed a Liv Ullman episode of Loving. I called it Liv-ing.

Why hasn’t Viki Sleestack made a public statement about the passing of Ellen Holly?

“Keep that Black bitch’s rotting corpse away from me.”

Ruth and Joe Martin seemed like the ideal soap parents you would want.

R472 Excuse us?

I pissed on her grave. What else do you want me to do?

Pretty sure the photo at R464 is actually Peter Barton, not Robert Tyler.

Some queen must have gotten both Peter's photo and Robert's autograph. Maybe it was the one that left Peter and some other male actor his estate?

Oh I see. Sorry. That is Barton. LOL I bit tipsy.

safdsfsdfdsfad

R472. 100%

Oltl highlights for me:

Viki keeping dorian prisoner and their long rivalry

Asa and his many wives

Bo and pat in Italy

Faux Bo

Maria roberts exploding wedding cake

Tina’s waterfall adventure/Gabrielle

Eterna, heaven, old west and gimmicks

Megan’s death

Jessica and Natalie

Mitc Laurence first run

Nora and Lindsay’s feud/memory erasing drugs

Marty gang rape

Todd and Blair with all those balloons

I typically don’t love recasts, but I kind of liked Lee Meriwether as Ruth. Or as they used to call her on TWOP, “CatRuth”.

"CatRuth." That's good. I'm going to use that...

AMC:

Amy reveals she’s Phil’s mother

Ruth protests Vietnam

Erica has affair with Nick Davis

Erica has first abortion on TV

Margo Flax first facelift on TV

Paul and Anne have mentally handicapped child

Billy Clyde the pimp

Phoebe/Charles/Mona-senior citizen love triangle

Erica and Tom honeymoon, first soap location shoot abroad

Kitty/Kelly

Cliff and Nina (and Palmer and Daisy)

Greg and Jenny

Tad/Liza/Marian

Jesse and Angie, first black super couple

Jesse and Jenny in NYC (show was 1 all that summer)

Ray Gardner rapes Ruth

Opal Garner!

Jenny and the jet ski

Donna goes crazy after baby dies

Silver frames Erica for murder

Tom’s friend rapes Brooke

Devon wants to lez out with Lynn

Who Killed Zach Grayson?

Mark Dalton’s cocaine addiction

Ross cheats on Ellen with Natalie, then rapes Natalie,sending Julie to NYCs streets

Natalie accidentally kills Silver, Palmer hides body

Brooke and Tom’s daughter killed by drunk driver

Adam cheats on Brooke with Dixie, then gaslights Dixie to get custody of their baby

Erica becomes a mother

Stuart marries AIDS patient Cindy

Skye fakes coma

Janet puts Natalie in the well

Who Killed Will Cortlandt?

Liza/Tad/Dixie

Terrence race attack

Baby bone marrow story (Barbara, Travis, Tom, Erica)

The Tornando

Gay teacher Mike Delaney

WRCW-Erica’s pill addiction, Laurel accidentally killed by homophobe

Alec cheats on Hayley with her mother Arlene

Kevin comes out as gay, family tries gay conversion therapy (and AMC wins Emmy for best show)

Janet, Skye, Erica team up to take down Dr Kinder

Noah/Julia

Gillian/Ryan

Bianca’s eating disorder (Susan Lucci finally wins Emmy-DESERVED)

Erica steals Maria’s baby

Bianca comes out as lesbian

Those were off the top of my head.

Nobody handled funerals/deaths like AMC. Especially Mona's and Myrtle's

Classic early AMC: Tara and Chuck's wedding stopped by Nick Davis. Nick and Anne, a more interesting couple than Anne and boring Paul. Tara and Phil's candlelight non wedding. Erica calling Mary Kennicott 'mousy'. Ruth's learning Phil is M.I.A. Kitty's pathetic hold on Nick. Margo's facelift, Jeff and Mary's garden wedding. Mary, pregnant, and Tad held hostage and Mary dying. Mrytle masquerading as Kitty & Kelly's mother. Charles leaning on Mona.

Girls, GIRLS, you're BOTH no longer on TV!

Some good depth added but maybe a little too deep on some.

Good list r482

I loved the actress who played Kitty/Kelly

R482, Erica had the first legal abortion on tv. The first abortion on tv was years earlier (1964, I believe) on Another World (Pat Randolph?).

That fact, of course, doesn’t negate your love for Erica’s abortion.

I made abortion soup that night!

Aw, Grandma Kate. I loved her.

[quote]Erica had the first legal abortion on tv. The first abortion on tv was years earlier (1964, I believe) on Another World (Pat Randolph?).

Yes, the first abortion on soaps was on Another World in 1964. Pat Matthews (later Radolph) got pregnant by her nefarious boyfriend Tom Baxter (played by the recently deceased Nicholas Pryor). Pat (played by Susan Trustman) had a back alley abortion.

Erica's abortion in 1973 was the first legal abortion ever on a soap.

I don't know who came off more dykeish. Donna or Devon. Poor Estelle and her syphilis.

It always cracks me up that there used to be soap heroines named “Pat”.

fuck you R493

It’s time for androgyny

I couldn’t watch anymore, after Erica’s abortion story was retconned.

The 1973 abortion storyline is such a key part of the lore of All My Children, and the lore of its signature character, Erica Kane. Changing that seemed so foolish and unnecessary.

If they wanted to bring a new Martin onto the show, why not write him in as Jeff Martin’s son? If they needed to give Erica another child-say she had twins when she gave birth to Kendall.

R496. I think Josh Madden was Megan McTravesty's doing. Awful.

Megan McTurdish as she was known by some cast members who knew she was bad for the show.

Giving Erica a son who was her UNABORTED FETUS was so disgusting. McTavish and that fucker Frons should have been tarred and feathered and run out of daytime for that. And yes, r496, I remember thinking both of those scenarios would have been better options.

Then they made it even worse by having Tad bury the abortion doctor alive.

There was a lot that was just not great the last few years, but I did love that they brought back Kate Collins as Janet. The baby switch was a good umbrella story, but could have been much better if those trashy Careys had not been part of it. It should have been Brooke and the adopted Laura instead.

I miss you all!

Abort abort abort!

Chuck it down the pan!

Did Candice Earley get naked when she was in HAIR on Broadway?

She died from MSA (Multiple Systems Atrophy). I lost a friend to that. Horrible to see.

I stopped watching OLTL when they retconned Victor. Nearly all the establish baseline of OLTL was Victor centric and it didn't just fuck with his character it fucked with the whole cast/show. Especially his death. WE SAW GANGSTA OG DORIAN KILL HIM. It was one of the most important scenes in the whole series. I could buy a lot of bullshit on a soap but that was a bar to far.

I didn't mind the retcon of Victor molesting Viki, but turning him into some kind of Cassadine/Dimera hybrid was too much.

Clifford and Nina were married four times. To each other. That has to be some kind of TV record.

R505 Bill and Tess from Love of Life may have equaled Cliff and Nina. Y&R's Victor and Nikki have to be close, too. Throw Doug and Julie from DOOL in there as well.

r505

what about Josh and Reva? John and Marlena?

R503 I reported on that, you know.

According to this, Ridge Forrester and That Slut From The Valley married seven times.

My twat is wiggling……

I worry Slee will be the next to go.

She's got some kind of neuro thing happening......

R511- I have noticed that in interviews too.... and the death of her daughter is the kind of thing that really ages someone.

Plus she is weak. Very, very weak.

Jean, you old cunt!

It's fine...everything...is...fine.

Are we still talking about......*pause*......the Third Victoria?

Yes. The other "blonde bookend."

Clara you be nice

Mama, be careful going into the parking garage. That mean Mr. Rauch keeps stomping around out there......

Clara, that cigar smoking Paul Rauch wants you to change that voice of yours and cut your hair. Please do it.

I don't like this atall.

R520. You'd think she had Ann Coulter, Alice in Wonderland hair down to her hips!

Don't touch me.

Who was your favorite? Erin Torpey vs. Bree Williamson

Both Jessica’s were great. I thought Bree was a nice young adult take on the teen Jessica Erin played. Interesting we only had two Jessica’s and yet twenty Kevin and Joey’s. Thank god just one Natalie!

I could only stomach one Natalie!

Melissa Archer was.....not a favorite of mine.

R527- She could NOT cry either- That girl never shed one real tear in any scene that called for it- She was a middling actress- at best-

I could not stand John or Natalie-

She had a nice rack, though.

Funbags do not an actress make.

Those are dates, not prunes...

I remember when Melissa Archer got busted for pit possession. Miss Sleestack didn’t like that attall! Now its legal.

We had the kind of love you'll never know, Pat.

r532

when was that?

Has Robin Strasser deigned to play Madame Armfeldt in a regional theater production of A Little Night Music? Her delivery “Not raisins…FIGS!…ahhh, liaisons!”

Too bad Jean didn't get to hold Clara in the basement.

R536. Oh, my CLAIRE-AH!!!

Jean would have been much better if she hadn't been played by......

*dramatic pause*

.....the Third Victoria.

Did any of Viki's alters have an affair or something like that? I don't remember one. They should have had Niki or Jean's love child show up.

R539. That ho Niki Smith slept with Harry O'Neill.

Jean would never have a child because she could not bear to be touched. Niki had at least two affairs (Vince Wolek, Harry O'Neill).

Touching is for filthy, feral beings.

That Jean sure could dress- I think she wore Armani

How fun is this? I still remember this Oprah show like it was yesterday.

R544. Awwww. Most of those men are dead.

Gah that was embarrasing. Lucci really was Celeste Talbert

Every time I see the title of this thread it reminds me of Lana Del Ray's Did You Know theres a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd

One of you creative gals should write a song about Lil/Paul and the Tercel similar to those lyrics/ that song

I think it could be EPIC.

The chorus to the song could be the Third Victoria singing, "Paul, she's over here. She's over here."

R548- I think you can do this. Write the entire song--Just try to match the rhythym of the words/lyrics-

Like at the end when Lana goes "Don't Forget ME!"

We say "SHES OVER HE-RE!!

R547 R548 R549 I love you bitches!

I can totally see a number where Lil, Paul and Ellen run from corner to corner of the parking garage....before The Third Victoria arrives.

It's TOTALLY the number that ends Act One, of course!

That song is "Get Your Things and Go" and Paul is of course chasing Lil to give her the box full of things....

until the Third Victoria enters stage left and says

'GET THOSE TWO BLACK BITCHES OUT OF MY FACE!"

*fades to black*

😮.

Hysterical!

.....

The name of the group can be Black Bitches.

"Black Bitches" taking Llanview by storm. More at 8!

I do not like this discussion a tall.

If we could trust network daytime TV to do it right, OLTL would have been the ideal soap to explore "sanewashing." Imagine Todd & Viki's papers handling the current political climate.

R558. The Sun would endorse Kamala. The Banner is all Trump.

Asa would vote Trump. Most everyone would expect Dorian to as well, but she'd cast her vote for Kamala.

Dorian would never vote for another woman. The third Victoria would have to vote about 40 times to have all her alters get to vote.

Viki would hold her nose and vote Harris

Jean would vote for Nikki Haley, because she would find Kamala’s campaign of joy repellent.

Niki would vote for Trump.

Tori would vote RFK for the chaos.

Tommy and Princess just want ice cream.

Jean would use a mail in ballot. No was she's using a voting machine that thousands of peasants has touched. I doubt she'd vote at all. It would be so unimportant to her.

Nora votes Harris

Bo votes Harris

Clint votes Trump

Todd votes Harris

Who does Blair vote for?

Asa is dead so he would vote democrat.

Anybody know if Triscuit is a Dem or a Repug?

Triscuit is off the grid now. He's probably doing valet parking in the valley somewhere since Uncle Frank stopped playing Hide the Cannoli with him.

I smell a piece of shit.

Carlivati loved Triscuit’s hairy legs. I thought for sure Triscuit would end up on Days while Ron was writing it. Guess not.

Tina keeps forgetting there's an election.

This is Pat Ashley, reporting from the search for Llanview's fabled "Good Republican."

On today's episode of "Gay Lives to Live," will lovers Tony and Todd find out that they are half-brothers? Will Gabrielle and Tina finally consummate their passionate relationship? Will Victoria finally give in to her compulsion to have sex with Dorian? Will Karen Wolek confess on the stand that she was a prostitute to raise money to buy her crush Sadie a new Tercel?

Sorry. Which one is Triscuit?

The most important question is how would TALBOT HUDDLESTON vote in this election

TALBOT HUDDLESTON would run over Walz, Shapiro and Harris with his car, with a common prostitute in the passenger seat!

How do we really think the Third Victoria would vote.

Mom has a thing about immigration....

Talbot H pinged the sonar on my last voyage of the SeaView.

I don't think I enjoyed OLTL any more than when Jean held Dorian in the basement. It was just too much.

Apparently the wonderfully batshit Robin Strasser had an ancient drunken DLer removed from a fan event. I won't name names, but I could.

Robin Strasser caused nothing but problems for my stepdaughter Lucie when she married her ex Larry. My wife Lucy was going to get involved but I talked her out of it.

Robin Strasser is a SOAP GODDESS. Lucie Arnaz is the forgettable daughter of a hasbeen dead tv star.

R580 aw c'mon!

R573 "Triscuit" is Andrew Trischitta, the young actor who played Blair and Todd's son Jack on the last year or so of OLTL.

He was never a great actor but he played a vapid teen twink perfectly.

He very likely was slurping on Frankie V's Italian salami to get or keep his job, and once in a Soap Opera Digest interview talked about having dinner with Frank - or as he said, Uncle Frank - once a week.

Sadly, as with all cute twinks, he's aged out of cuteness and got a little fat. Also losing his hair. Photo below was from peak twinkish time.

Triscuit today

R584. R585. Thank you!!! I had COMPLETELY forgotten about him. Poor soul. Time is a bitch...and Uncle Frank isn't taking his calls.

Jill Stein. I'm casting my vote for Jill Stein. How much more do you want, Mr. Callison? Haven't I said what everyone wants to hear? What you want everyone to hear? I'm voting for Jill Stein!

R587. You've become a valuable part of Jill Stein's campaign, haven't you?

Frank was NOT happy that Triscuit grew up and ate pussy.

Trollops and slatterns, the lot of you!

Oh, now, Mrs. Wallingford, don't be upset just because your hus-beard bombed in local politics ...

R586 Uncle Frank can't take Triscuit's calls, not with Giolin's perfect pucker hole on his face, getting ready for Hide the Cannoli......

R590 All these hussies, opening copulating without benefit of clergy!

All of them have the AIDS!

This Tercel is almost out of gas.

I suggest you stop to pick up a new Tercel if you want to continue the ride.

I'll take care of that, ma'am.

New thread

BUH

BYE

NOW!!