How far is it from Oakdale to Chicago?

Callous posers from both coasts always trying to put down Oakdale.

Farther when Marland is in charge.

Utter Llanview nut here- but I have become a massive fan of Barbara . And I would also watch Lucinda during OLTL commercials.

And when JULIANNE FUCKING MOORE returns for the finale? Come on!!

As the World Turns Oakdale or Edge of Night's Oakdale?

About 500K a year.

ATWT r4

I'm watching an episode from 1988 and Holden is on a private jet from Chicago to Oakdale.

Didn't Lisa walk from Oakdale to Chicago back in the 60s when they tried to give her her own show?

R4, I think they were supposed to be the same place, no?

[quote]As the World Turns Oakdale or Edge of Night's Oakdale?

Edge of Night was set in Monticello.

They never really said. I think both Oakdale and Springfield were supposed to be generally in IL, close enough to Chicago that one could drive or fly. (Which would really mean more Indianapolis, but that's neither here nor there).

Monticello was supposedly a suburb of Cincinnati.

Henderson....well, who knows where the fuck THAT was.....

In 2006, Barbara bought Casey and Gwen tickets to attend the "Acid Ran" concert in Chicago, so they could check out potential bands for Lisa to book at her club.

When Casey had to convince Gwen to go with him (she and Will were newlyweds and Gwen didn't think she should leave her husband) Casey didn't understand the issue and said, "IT'S ONLY AN HOUR AWAY."

They took a bus to get there and back.

Donna Love could see Chicago from her penthouse.

Salem was also set in the region. When seeking a babysitter for Belle, Marlena said she had to look as far as Chicago to find one.

When Jeanne Cooper died, an article in Salem newspaper said "Genoa City Morns the Loss of Beloved Citizen" or something like that. It seemed a very respectful way to tie the shows together.

Bay City was also Illinois. An Irna Phillips affectation?

Oh that’s by Elgin

While Chicago is mentioned in SALEM, USA, it's zip code places it somewhere in Connecticut, yet we've seen the Missouri state flag used in its police station and courtroom.

It's a fluid kind of place.

R14 I assume so. She was from Ohio but despite not really mentioning a particular state she was describing Middle America, and Illinois is pretty dang middle.

[quote] Donna Love could see Chicago from her penthouse.

I see everything from my lovely little perch!

Bay City and Somerset are both actual cities in Michigan....I thought that's where the soaps were set?

R19 Bay City apparently was considered in IL. I don't know why. I assumed the same as you.

Irna lived in Chicago , as did Bill Bell, so she set all her shows in Illinois. The Bells had a vacation home in Lake Geneva, and they passed through Genoa City, WI, to get there; which is how Y&R came to be set there.

Agnes Nixon lived on the Main Line in Philadelphia, so Corinth, Llanview and Pine Valley were located there.

All true, though Genoa City was really just the borrowing of a name, as the GC shown on YR is radically different than the real one.

When Genoa City became more of an urban setting, the show would often use Pittsburgh for its atmosphere shots and location shoots. Places like Newman Towers, Genoa City Memorial Hospital, the Genoa City Police Department building, and its International Airport, etc. all had real counterparts in Pittsburgh.

R23 Yes, I remember they did some outdoor shots there. ATWT did some too, in its last year or so.

I always thought Genoa City was a stupid name for a soap location. It’s not even a port city like Genoa in Italy.

Found the ATWT one right quick. Filmed over near/at the Mattress Factory.

In the very first episode of Y&R, we see the type of small Wisconsin town Genoa City was originally envisioned to be as Brad Eliot is being driven into town by a truck driver who'd picked him on the road.

And in the next scene, Sally McGuire peers out a window and reinforces this idea when she bemoans what "a drag it is being stuck in a place like Genoa City."

At least she had Snapper's hot cock to entertain her.

Philece Sampler was the definitive Donna Love.

Yeah, about as definitive as Susan Batten was as Connor Walsh.

Tonya Pinkins mentions ATWT in an interview.

She mentions Marland but also a "toxic culture"....but I think most of her time on screen at ATWT was before Marland came onboard. Or a big chunk of it, anyway. ATWT was trying anything to stay afloat before he got there.

[quote[ “We were the kids,” Pinkins says. “[Late Head Writer] Doug Marland was a great, great writer, but there was a culture there that was incredibly toxic. It was like the writers were reading all the soap mags and finding out what was going on in people’s real lives and putting that into the show. It was very tense.”

(and also, Tonya is a little bit cuckoo)

I recall Tonya doing an interview with Soap Opera Digest or Soap Opera Weekly, and saying she didn’t get along with ATWT’s EP at the time, Robert Calhoun.

In the 1970s, Bay City was implied to be in Michigan. Harding Lemay never expressly said it was in Michigan, but he definitely never said, or implied, that Bay City was just outside of Chicago.

In the early 80s, the exact location of Bay City was changed to Illinois, making it a suburb of Chicago.

R33 Madonna was born in Bay City. MI. It’s very small.

So when Beth ran off to the beach on GL, and Lujack followed her, was it a Great Lakes beach?

It may as well be a million miles..

R34, great question! Springfield, at various times, had beaches, lakes, rivers, and sometimes seemed to be close to an ocean (which baffled me).

I was the biggest fan of GL for many, many years. In 1987, when I was a senior in high school, I met a guy who had been offered a writing job on the show. He ultimately turned it down due to a writers’ strike. However, the show had given him a lot of background info including a map of Springfield, etc. He gave me all of the stuff the show had furnished. It was all ruined when my parents’ basement flooded.

You live in your parents' basement?

No, R37, lol. While I was at college their basement flooded and I lost a lot things that I wish I hadn’t.

The dumb cunt-tella got a resounding NO from NATAS regarding an Emmy for Beverlee. Everyone tried telling the moron that they don’t award Lifetime Achievement Awards to dead people. She resisted that fact and filed anyway. The dumb cunt!

MARY!

14 years ago today was the last day of filming for ATWT.

Tuesday, June 25 will mark the 25th anniversary of the final episode of Another World.

And September will be 15 years since the final episode of GL.

Dec. 28, 2024 will mark 40 years since the final episode of Edge of Night aired.

September 3 will mark the day that they dropped THE Search For THE Tomorrow

July 1 will be Connie Ford's 100th birthday (July 1, 1923).

What a kick in the cunt!

I always assumed Salem was East Coast. Bo and Hope sailed right out of there in 1987.

R47, she’d be 101 if born in ‘23.

Thank you, r49. Right you are. 101.

Did Anne Heche and Connie ever bump pussies?

2023 marked 40 years since I spend the night on my knees and on my back in the Tops parking lot and took 40 loads, one after another!

I had a real record until that damn Dawson came along.

Was Stephen Yates the only straight man to play Jamie?

R53 he didn't look so straight in those coochie cutters Jamie wore when he crashed Mac and Rachel's wedding!

R54 No he didn’t look so straight, but he sure as hell ate out my snatch when we worked together at GL!

MARY!

Maeve Kinkead in the Locher Room Thursday.

She's been on a few other tribute shows before - I think for Lisa and Jerry, plus the Maureen Bauer one - but this will be her first session that focuses on her solely.

Will Locher say that everything was wonderful at GL? Gee Alan. Everything was perfect at P&G while you were there!

No snatches will be eaten, no toilets will be clogged, no parts of a show title will be dropped or added.

I’m sure that buttinsky Jill Lorie Hurst will weigh in on Vanessa and her inner radiance.

LOL R60! And Alan will need Jill to correct him about facts on “his” shows that he watched and did PR for 11 years. Has Alan mentioned that he did PR for 11 years? But he always fails to mention that both GL and ATWT were cancelled while he did PR for both shows. I guess the PR didn’t reach the viewers. lol Good job, Locher!

They couldn’t do a fake tree like here in CA?

Why was the Mona Lisa such an embarrassingly cheap set?

It really stood out for its awfulness. It looked like the decor came from Party City. It was odd, considering it was a major set and supposed to be one of the nicer sets in town. Compared to Tops on Another World, it was awful.

ATWT didn’t really have terrible sets, and it stood out.

I just remember that the Mona Lisa was always so damn dark.

25 years ago our beloved Another World left the airwaves.

DARK!

Digest remembers AW.

John Driscoll in the Locher Room.

Not the world's greatest actor but damn, he was hot as fuck.

John Driscoll is straight, fyi.

R69

What a waste

He is. But damn, he's beautiful. Or was.

I saw him once while he was being interviewed by a local station.....he might come across a little Dudley DoRight on TV but he was a big, muscled, beautiful guy in person (biceps for days) and a lot more interesting that "Coop" was.

Locher will get ‘moist’.

PHE-ELIP!

John Driscoll is gorgeous. Beautiful. He was good as Coop. Coop and Beth were a hot couple. MILF getting her young stud.

Driscoll definitely seemed like he has sizemeat.

R75 He probably does but Alan ‘I did PR for GL and ATWT for 11 years and they both got cancelled while I did PR but never mention that fact’ Locher will never sample Driscoll’s cock.

Driscoll is smoking hot. He was on GL with Murray Bartlett and Tom Pelphrey.

Maeve's Locher Room was today.

Locher has not improved in 4 years. He’s hard to watch.

.....

I am just bumping this thread because I know who the OP is.

There's more than one Oakdale, natch.

Alan Locher really does seem to be a nice man but good god his interviewing style was never as maddening as it was with Maeve Kinkaid. His relentless inability to ask follow-up questions was particularly noticeable. OK, so William Roerick, it turned out, knew Kinkaid’s parents. But did that mean Kinkaid had actually met and socialized with Roerick before they worked together on GL? We’ll never know. And what were the “astonishing things” Roerick did for them? Jesus. It was still nice to to see Kinkaid again and we even got a glimpse of Meryl’s brother Harry who stepped in to fix a technical glitch. Locher was wise not to bring up Paul Rauch’s name. And we got further proof that Kathleen Widdoes was really quite the perv on set. I liked her saying that Vanessa being hooked on pills was her least favorite storyline. It made Vanessa weak and pathetic and I remember Billy telling her that. And so ironic since Jordan Clarke was an addict himself.

R83 But I take exception to that Kathleen Widdoes could flash her tits? That was sexual harassment! Who would want to see those things!! Tell me exactly what Paul Rauch did to Maeve because I find Maeve to be hypocritical. Flash your tits Kathleen and that’s ok but what did Paul do to Maeve? And she went back wirking for Paul!!!

I'm at a loss to understand how Locher's show has continued. It's not that he isn't perfect at interviewing.....it's that he's so utterly terrible at it.

Locher has the connections to get the guests and he has the willingness to spend the time setting up interviews.

He's not getting paid for this. He's doing this for his love of soaps. And for the fame it's bringing him.

No, he's not a great interviewer and misses so many follow up questions. But no one else is doing it.

If someone more skilled at interviewing with the connections he had came along, that person would easily usurp Locher.

[quote]He's not getting paid for this.

He's not getting paid for any of the P&G interviews. That's for sure.

But he's done several sessions with actors from the Doctors at the request of the the people running the Watch the Doctors website. He may have gotten paid for those.

Likewise, he's done interviews with current Y&R and B&B stars which the Sony or Bell publicist arranged. It's possible he was paid for those as well.

I love Maeve and enjoyed the interview, but I think she’d be a tough interview for anyone.

I would love to hear the story about Rauch demanding that Maeve dye her hair.

I would also have liked to have heard more in general about her offscreen woes with Jordan Clarke. She made an aside about still loving Jordan when he wasn’t looking good (paraphrasing), was she referring to his weight?

I would assume she meant even when he was going through his drug issues.

Is it any wonder that GL and ATWT got cancelled while Locher was their PR person? Even now he’s a terrible publicist.

Oh and Thank God that Locher isn’t getting paid to say ‘that’s amazing’ 40 times per interview. That’s crazy.

Of course he mentioned that buttinsky Jill Lorie Hurst at least twice.

Maeve did say that she literally said to production at one point she could no longer work in scenes with Clarke because of his addiction issues. I wonder if Jean Carol said to ger “Thanks a bunch.” I forgot who she said she had a big crush on-I’m sure Harry was thrilled to hear that. I bet she had affairs. Like her sister-in-law Meryl.

I like Jill Lorie Hurst. She was one of the few sane people at GL at the end.

The Vanessa pill addiction sl was a fuck u to Maeve, because Kobe and Long wanted to make Reva look good - who could believe the original version of Vanessa would sink so low as to run over pregnant Reva? Lol. Maeve quit a bit after that, saying she was tired of arguing over Vanessa's motivation. I think Kobe/Long were soon gone, and Vanessa got the sl with Ross that brought Dinah in the picture.

Who on GL were rumored to be doing coke besides the actors playing Roxy and Billy? So many of the actors said GL was a very friendly, fun set.

Jill Lorie Hurst’s writing certainly contributed to GL’s demise. She and Wheeler - deadly combo. Show killers.

I heard JLH was one of the good writers.

R95 I think it would be a shorter list as to who wasn't doing coke on the set in the 80s on most of the soaps.

Grant, Krista, Mikey et al have never come out and said they did it, but they were front burner and pretty much all of the younger actors/characters were doing it. Not sure if Zimmer was among them - she had kids by then, so I wouldn't think so, but who knows.

And it wasn't just GL. Apparently AMC was 10x worse and there were just mountains of blow there at all times.

R97 if she'd been given the HW reins more than a few months before the end of the show it might have lasted a bit longer. Unfortunately Kreizman and the other guys like Lucky Gold really stuck to all the bullshit dark stuff (like Grady and Jeffrey O Neill the rapist) until the network lost interest.

Even the great lez story and Phillip's return could not save it.

David Kreizman was HW of GL for the final five years. If you want to blame a writer for the demise of GL, Kreizman is the one you should be pointing a finger at.

Jill Lorie Hurst was merely on the writing team. However, in the final year, they promoted her to the HW team, which at that point consisted of four people.

Jill is the one who pitched the Otalia story and oversaw it's execution. Jill is also the one who convinced Grant to return as Phillip. She also oversaw most of the storylines in those final 4-5 months, making sure they had heart and invoked the show's long history.

Anybody have the book “Soap Opera Babylon” from the 80s? There was a story in it about the cast of some soap being on a yacht trip and the coke was being passed around like candy. One actress got so coked up that she fell off the yacht and they had to rescue her.

It was All My Children, r101; and the actress was Kim Delaney.

Which is ironic because poor Jenny also met her demise at sea.

Like I said, AMC was like Cocaine Central. Walt Willey got so addicted he could barely function. He was one of many there. Lucci was probably one of the few that didn't.

Larry Lau has strongly hinted that he had to leave AMC as Greg in 1985 to get clean (ie. off drugs).

Part of the reason he joined AW as Jamie in 1986 rather than go back to AMC as Greg was to stay away from temptation.

GH was Coke Central in the early 1980s.

Both Genie Francis and Tony Geary have made statements about having drug problems during those days.

This 9 minute video, uploaded to YouTube about two weeks ago, lists some of the openly gay actors who have been on soaps.

It's an interesting video. I knew most of the people mentioned but several were surprises as I didn't know they had officially come out. It's definitely worth watching.

There are some factual errors in the info given and video lists several people who only had one or two day roles for some odd reason.

Video also has some glaring oversights. I guess they left those people out for Part 2 of the video.

See what you think.

What an annoying voice in that old news video.

It never made any sense to make Ho-livia a lezzy on GL. Dumb move by Hurst to even suggest that after sleeping her way through the men of Springfield that she would now eat snatch. So many people hated that storyline. Ratings dropped even lower than they had been and the final nail was in GL’s coffin.

Otalia was one of the few compelling storylines on GL in its final 18 months, r109. Not unusual for a woman to come out later in life — see Meredith Baxter Birney.

Go away Cuntness-Donnatella. Be gone bitch.

Ignore our resident troll at r109.

And the Otalia storyline predated Hurst - it was first suggested when Claire Labine was HW as a story involving Olivia and Holly, then retooled after Ellen Wheeler, Hurst and Crystal Chappell discussed the idea.

The CUNT-ness DUMB Donna-Crossing-the-bridge-SOON is just stupid. Please cross over and spare yourself embarrassment Cuntessa. . Ho-livia and Natalia killed my Guiding Light. The lezzy story never made sense! They were never lezzies. In fantasy, yes but not on my Guiding Light.

R107 I wonder why they had a pic of GL’s Murray Bartlett yet didn’t mention him or the obvious one GL’s Matt Bomer?

Otalia actually stabilized ratings and was attracting new fans to GL, but the cancellation announcement killed any hope of ratings rising, which I believe they would have. Otalia was very popular, and was that type of story that, because it didn’t make sense in one way, that made it work and made it more compelling. I think had CBS given GL one more year it would still be on TV today.

r114 Matt Bomer, Murray Bartlett, Greg Rikaart, Peter Porte, Christian Le Blanc, Tuc Watkins, Ian Buchanan, Kevin Spiras,

All actors who worked in soaps and have publicly come out, but were left out of the video. Guess they'll be in Volume 2.

And then there are the dead actors, including Dack Rambo, Dennis Parker, Peter White, William Roderick, Paul Stevens . . .

So many actors that video didn't include.

I was particularly surprised about Murray not being included because they did include his pic in the video AND he is famous like Matt Bomer, another omission.

That video was clickbait nonsense done in 30 minutes with no research.

Any of us could do it better.

Only Cunt-essa Donna tell all would defend Ho-livia becoming a lezzy. It made no sense. Ratings dropped and GL was cancelled.

Here's the follow up video which covers many of the actors who were left out of the first one.

As before, lots of factual errors here.

Ahem.

Renaud sucked my dick.

anywho....

What Steven Frame (the younger) grew up to look like.....

He was on GL in 85? As William? I don’t remember seeing any YouTube vids of him on GL.

I vaguely remember him as Warren's assistant.

This thread reminded me that the Snyder farm was not in Oakdale but Luther’s Corners. Dunno why I suddenly remembered.

Anybody old enough to remember Santos Ortega as Grandpa Hughes?

William (Renauld White) was the maitre’d at the Springfield nightclub, whatsitsname.

Blue Orchid?

But he seems to have had a contract which is reserved for storyline worthy cast.

R130 Yes! That was it, Blue Orchid, which was owned by Warren.

R130, I don’t think William was ever a contract role. It was a day player role and usually an under-5 (under five lines of dialogue).

That article has a fair number of errors in it.

William Renauld certainly hooked up with Warren Burton.

.....

I’d see Renauld White all the time at SAG film screenings. Handsome man. Always on his own, seemed very quiet.

I went to the Bauer barbeque. It was OK.

But it wasn't as fun as the Bauer Barebackeque in that little back alley club off 5th Street.......

R137, did Lacey Bauer show up. I heard through the grapevine she’s an unrepentent drunk.

Lacey was there, trash talking Simone Biles and the career Lacey might have had.

Haha, R139. I remember she had these great big eyes. She was cute.

Doe-eyed

Lacey Bauer never sucked MY cock!

Well, she sure as shit sucked MINE.

If someone unhinges their jaw, they can suck mine.

My favorite soap scene ever was when Warren tied up India with Xmas lights.

And then plugged them in.

Poor Lacey Bauer died in real life.

I know Mary Lou Retton was a huge GL fan. Didn’t she appear on the show in a cameo?

R145 yes!

R147 Google says yes, in 1985.

R148 can you link? My google must not work.

It was sweet when Chris Bernau would joke with his pendulousness that he was gonna take at least 30 loads over the weekend at The Ramrod. Except Bernau wasn’t joking.

r127 = Janey Cobb

Oh please. Janey Cobb was a big ole lez who wanted Meg’s gash.

IMDB says Mary Lou Retton appeared as herself on GL on the March 8, 1985 episode.

As I recall, she was in Company and interacted with Beth or Mindy or maybe both of them.

1985 not being GL's best days.

Probably when the fucking Sampson Girl contest was happening.

And Infinity.

First half of 1985 was good on GL. It slid fast from late summer on.

R138 and company, your deep cuts are making me so happy!

R145, I too LOVED that scene! (I loved India probably more than any other soap character.)

I remember coming home from school and my mom telling me that I had to watch GL (I’d been taping it) right away to see what Warren did to India. My mom had gotten me into the show when I was young — I associate so much of the show with her.

Mary!

R158, imagine if we'd had internet then.

r158 I feel the same way about ATWT and my own mother.

Every day, she would watch the show. Before I started kindergarten, when I was home all day, I would watch with her. I remember her explaining some of the situations to me, and certain characters were like real people we knew (Lucinda, John, Hoden, Lily, Emma, Margo, etc). Emma in particular was like an old family friend. For a couple of years, ATWT was my mom's and my "thing."

I recently found a bunch of old episodes from the mid-to-late 80s on YouTube and watching them took me right back to those early days with my mom (who is rapidly declining with Alzheimer's). It's a way for me to reconnect with her now, even though she's basically gone. I doubt she appreciated then, nearly 40 years ago, how meaningful those moments would be for me all these years later.

R158 I loved India so much. It made me sad that no one seemed to "get" India after she left. I always wanted her to come back and stay on the show.

India came across as a big bull dyke who was in love with Beth.

I think it was more likely she had the hots for Vanessa.

Please do not feed or encourage the troll.

Kathleen was famous for always showing her tits to the newcomers. She was a perv. She even flashed poor gay Van Hansis. He didn’t want to see granny titties.

MARY r166!

Didn't Kathleen play a bit of a dirty bohemian girl in "The Group"?

I wish Jon Hensley had flashed all the newcomers. But there was the risk of poking them in the eye.

Only Grant’s pendulous dong was capable of doing that, R169.

Entire cities could take shade under THAT dong.

Finally got around to watching Maeve Kinkaid's interview in the Locher Room. It was a very good interview. Great to hear Maeve's story. Alan actually did some research beforehand and it helped the interview tremendously.

Maeve made a comment about her Another World time that I found provocative. She said the AW was expanded from 60 to 90 minutes because of Beverlee McKinsey.

While I'm not disputing that Iris was terribly popular, I'm not sure NBC would expand the show purely because of Iris.

What do others think? Discuss.

Well given that the 90 minute format sucked and failed and ratings dropped and the complete failure of Texas, I’d say Beverlee wasn’t the star they thought she was.

De-fusing Iris sunk Texas. Maeve mentioned Beverlee's health was affected. I wonder if her kidney problems started then.

I wish they'd asked Maeve about Bernau, the early Alan/Vanessa dynamic was so good. Vanessa loved letting Hope and Amanda think their husbands could be hers for the taking.

[quote]While I'm not disputing that Iris was terribly popular, I'm not sure NBC would expand the show purely because of Iris.

Especially because the 90-minute format meant Iris appeared in fewer episodes each week and resulted in fewer Iris-Rachel scenes.

An Iris/Vivian comedy would have been better. Those 2 together were gold.

We did kind of get that on SCTV, with Violet McKay and Mojo on "The Days of the Week."

I agree that the Maeve Kincaid episode of The Lochsr Room was one of the best. I wish he’d followed up a bit more on the topic of her asking not to work with Jordan Clarke for a period of time and her comment about Clarke’s appearance.

I also really, really wished Alan would have followed up (in the interview with Morgan England) when Morgan mentioned how he is still close with Bridget Hayden. I would love to know more about her current life (I know she was teaching in a public school some years ago).

[quote]An Iris/Vivian comedy would have been better. Those 2 together were gold.

Vivien with an E, don't you mean, r176?

This is an old (2015) Buzzfeed story about Jordan Clarke becoming a handyman. It touches on his problems with substances.

I have a problem with Maeve. She’s a hypocrite. Allegedly, she had a problem with Paul Rauch at AW. What about Kathleen Widdoes flashing her tits at everyone? That isn’t sexual harassment? And Maeve just laughed it off. Hypocrite. And Kathleen continued to show her tits at ATWT. That is sexual harassment.

I’m sure I’ve posted this before, but I would love to hear Maeve’s take on the story of Paul Rauch refusing to let her continue at GL I’d she stopped dyeing her hair.

I would have loved to have heard Maeve's take on the story of Paul Rauch sexually harassing her while she was playing Angie on AW from 1977-80. And then how she dealt with Rauch becoming her boss once again when he became GL EP in 1996

Maeve should compare notes with Louise Sorel. Didn’t she leave Santa Barbara amd One Life to Live because of Rauch?

R184 I think the difference was that Sorel was dating Rauch for a time, I don't think Maeve was....?

R178 Follow up is not a thing he does well. Not being mean, but he rarely knows the depth of details that most of his viewers know, so he's just often not prepared to ask good follow up questions.

In 1975, no one thought you could do a 60-minute soap five days a week. Many thought AW would fall flat on its face, but AW proved you could do it and the 60 minute format became the standard.

So, four years later, the idea of doing a 90-minute of a single soap wasn't completely outrageous. It was a bold experiment that ultimately proved that 90 minutes five days a week was too much.

Of course, AW was not at the top of its game in 1979 like it had been in 1975. Harding Lemay was suffering from burnout and wasn't coming up with his best stories.

I wonder if it has been General Hospital that expanded to 90 minute a day in 1979 if would have succeeded. GH was the show at the top of its game at that point, so if any soap would have worked as 90 minutes a day, it would have been GH.

As far as Iris goes, 1979 was not an especially good year for her. Not a lot of great Iris stories there.

Mac and Rachel were divorcing in 1979 and Mac married Janice, who Iris adored. So, not a lot of opportunities for Rachel-Iris scenes.

They also had nefarious Kurt Laverty flirting with Iris. But Kurt was married to a frail wife June Laverty (played by Geraldine Court) so it created an awkward situation.

Iris was also opposed to her son Dennis getting involved with newly arrived in town Cecile (played by Susan Keith). So, Iris hired Phillip Lyons to romance Cecile and break up Cecile and Dennis.

By the end of 1979, Beverlee McKinsey was out with a broken collar bone, so Carole Shelley subbed as Iris for about three months.

Hey, Vivien. Where did you get the idea that June Laverty was “frail”? She wasn’t frail at all, at least that’s not how Geraldine Court played her. She was an upscale, sophisticated New York bitch, sort of an Iris but not as cunning (or cunting).

Geraldine Court loved the cunt! She could eat a snatch all day long.

Another interesting thing Maeve said was that Larry Gates and Bill Roerick had a "complicated relationship" - I'm guessing they may have competed for roles.

r190

Weren't they both gay? Maybe they were a thing at one point and it ended poorly

Did the Pampered Palette deliver?

R191 Roerick was but not Gates.

Also fascinating that Roerick was a family friend - she knew him years before they worked together.

Roerick and Gates both had previous roles on GL in the 70's, s I wonder if they crossed paths then. So did Jordan Clarke,

Did Roerick accompnany Bernau to the Ramrod on Saturday nights?

It still amazes me that kindly old HB Lewis was the racist that Sidney Poitier slapped in that movie.

Its well known that Donna Swajeski used much of Harding Lemay's Bible when she took over as HW after Lemay quit in fall 1988.

But what about Tom King who took over as HW in 1979 when Lemay quit/was fired?

Lemay's last script aired on May 11, 1979, according to the AW Homepage. And King took over immediately after that. So, how long did King work off of Lemay's Bible before his own stories kicked in.

For example, Cecile (Susan Keith) arrived on screen June 6, 1979. She likely was part of Lemay's Bible.

But Mitch Blake didn't arrive in town until Oct 5, 1979. Was Mitch part of Lemay's Bible, or was he completely a Tom King creation?

Was the "Harry Must Die" storyline of Janice poisoning Mac the brainchild of Lemay or King? It kicked off in fall 1979 with the arrival of Mitch and culminated in March 1980 with the St. Croix remote.

What do people think?

I think no one cares about AW anymore. Moving on.

R197 Based on what Lemay wrote in his book, I don't think a lot of what aired after he left was his work. He was very against the sort of hyped melodrama that played out - he did not like writing the Sven/Helga story, though it was one of the more popular ones that played out. He may have had a role in creating Cecile and especially Janice (since she was a Frame) and may have also had a hand in developing Mitch Blake but I don't think he wrote much, if any, of the Harry Must Die inspired story.

Tom King always seemed like a hack, and that storyline was good, so iI would think he was working off some sort of outline from Lemay.

A hack like Tom King seemed much more likely to create the Harry Must Die storyline than Harding Lemay.

I would say the Lemay storylines played out through the summer of 1979.

By fall 1979, NBC and P&G would have realized the 90 minute format wasn't going to work and likely was trying to find a way to get out of the 90 minutes while also saving face. They realized they could cut the show by to 60 minutes by doing a spin-off soap.

So, I'd say everything that was done from fall 1979 onward was what Tom King created. Or possibly Lemay's ideas reshaped to meet the needs of a show that was getting ready to spin-off characters to Texas.

So, I would say all this is Tom King's creations/plottings:

Russ Matthew returned to town in early Oct 1979 (after being written off a year earlier) to join Dr. Kevin Cook (Lee Patterson) , who would arrive in Bay City two weeks later, in a cardiac practice. Kevin's wife Reena (Carla Borelli) would arrive a month later. Kevin and Reena would of course be sent back to Houston with the debut of Texas in August 1980.

Tracey DeWitt would come back to town in Nov 1979, played this time by Y&R's Janice Lynde, and start a romance with Russ.

Nurse Kit Farrell (Halloway) arrived in November 1979, soon to be followed by her Aunt Miranda, her father, brother and sister.

As mentioned above, Mitch Blake arrived in Bay City in early Oct 1979 to open the campus disco. Mitch started plotting with Janice immediately. First references to Harry Must Die started soon after he arrived.

The stunt casting of former Y&R stars Espy and Lynde seems like a Rauch forced move, not a LeMay creation. Lynde inherited an old character that had been played by Caroline McWilliams, so Tracy DeWitt had to be a LeMay creation. Tracy was just a dull socilaite when McWilliams played her, and to appease Lynde she was suddenly a nightclub singer, It didn't matter who/what that character was, she was a real bore.

The upcoming Santa Barbara event has a number of interesting names, including Robert Newman, Crystal Chappell, and Patrick Mulcahey (writer).

link to Santa Barbara event, please.

R205 easily Googled but....sure

Holy shit, that lineup is legendary. I wish I could swing the trip. I'd pay to watch a livestream of the event.

That Santa Barbara event looks so fun.

I’d love to hear from Patrick Mulcahey.

I met Harley Jane Kozak eons ago at the LA Festival Books. She was great!

Patrick Mulcahey is a mess. He had to marry a man with the same name so he could try to be a better version of himself. Patrick is always a victim; oh poor me. Everyone else is in the wrong. He’s exhausting.

r206 Welcome to DataLounge. Hope you enjoy yourself here.

Standard procedure here on DL is to link a news article or an event if you're bringing it up for the first time, as you were doing.

R210 Dear, I've been here for years and have started most of the P&G soap threads. So you can take your cunty attitude and stuff it in your hooha, along with Ada's dishrag.

[quote] Nurse Kit Farrell (Halloway) arrived in November 1979

FIRST AID KIT

And Tracy was eventually blown to smithereens. Right after she sang "I Will Survive"

Espy was sex on a stick.

HARRY MUST DIE and its aftermath was all the show had for a while and Douglass Watson was given some of the best material of his career. he received an Emmy. Poor old Mack finding out on the witness stand that Rachel had slept with Mitch and Matthew wasn't his was an instance of brilliance in a very troubled show.

Later years were just as troubled but other standouts like the recast Nancy Frangione as Cecile seemed to keep things afloat. That period of Cecile as BIG BITCH OF THE SHOW was wildly entertaining, she even had a huge catfight with Blaine. Fun to watch her in that red maternity dress as she ran around Bay City wreaking havoc.

More info on Harry Must Die!

Paul Rauch fired FAT Blaine and replaced her with Judy Dewey. That was a kick in the cunt to fat Laura Malone.

Paul Rauch left AW in 1983. Malone was fired in 1984.

I arrived in 1983. I was, and still am, fabulous.

marlena de la croix in the locher room today

That poor Marlena De La Croix. She’s SO fucking ugly. She seems nice but my god what an ugly duckling.

Yeah, even her profile photo is horrendous. Yikes. She’s like the even uglier sister of that poor gal in Moonlighting,

Connie conducted this oral history with Agnes Nixon, and Agnes clearly thinks Connie’s questions are idio.

*Questions are idiotic

Aggie was a judgmental bitch.

Yikes! I didn't like staring up Connie/Marlena's nose during that interview.

Connie/Marlena should have raised her laptop a foot and sat back a foot while doing that interview. Also should have used a ring light to provide better lighting.

As it was, the angle at which she was photographed was exceptionally bad.

That said, the interview was somewhat interesting, but, of course, Alan bounced all over the place with his questions and failed to ask follow-up questions.

I was screaming at Alan when he failed to ask her more questions about her friendship with Doug Marland and his likes and dislikes. She said Marland adored John Wesley Shipp but I wanted to know so much more.

She talked about a somewhat bizarre friendship with Paul Rauch and Alan didn't even begin to ask enough questions about that.

I wanted to know more about Connie/Marlena's friendship with James Reilly. Her friendship with Susan Lucci. Her admiration of Robin Strasser. And so much more. So many missed opportunities in that interview.

Not far enough

Aggie was cunty to poor homely Marlena/Connie.

Agree, the camera looking up at Connie did her no favors.

She knows her stuff but she came across as very arrogant. "Mimi couldn't lose me." There was just a Weekly Locher Room session and by the language she used in her session, I think Connie thought she was much better than the others.....who were not "real journalist.s" So much so she probably insisted on her own episode.....which was not all that interesting. She kinda acted like her shit didn't stink.

Well I think Connie said alot about her intelligence when she defended Passions.

R228 said a lot about his intelligence… oh, dear.

MARY!

A few months back, someone on here was talking about doing a Marland biography, but worried so many people who might give commentary/insights are dead. Sounds like Connie/Marlena is someone who came provide some good info on Marland.

Likewise, at some point, people on here were wondering if there would ever be a Paul Rauch bio. Again, sounds like Connie/Marlena is someone to talk to.

Who would want to talk to that face???? Yikes!!! Marlena/Connie could play that ugly bitch in In Living Color.

What about MY biography?

There wouldn't be a very large audience for a bio of Marland or of Rauch. Or of Beverlee McKinsey. But there are some people who might be interested.

I mean, that Ryan's Hope book came out last fall and has been doing decently. So, there is still a soap audience out there.

So, I encourage those authors and reporters interested in such a project to pursue it.

There was supposedly a McKinsey bio being written, but that was announced several years ago and haven't heard any updates on it since.

Anna “Banana” Stuart was planning a memoir but don’t think it’s happening. And she really does have a story to tell.

R234, sadly I think you’re right about there being a limited audience. However, I would devour anything written about Marland and/or Rauch, just as I devoured the Ryan’s Hope book.

My mind is blanking, but isn’t Tom Lisanti said to be working on a similar project about another soap? Maybe Texas?

R237 I think you're right.

Anna Banana Stuart was boobsie buddies with my all time favorite Geraldine Court. They muff dived, for sure.

I really wish there would have been books about GL and ATWT, written in that "oral history" style much like the OLTL and RH books.

Agree, R240 — I’d be all over those books!

"An Oral History of The Guiding Light" by Grant Aleksander

A Pendulous View of Springfield

I hope the pendulous one never caught anything. His dick touched the water when he sat down to shit.

Most of the town could take shade under that python

Does anyone have that video of DL fave Geri Court playing with Anna Banana’s titties? Tim something or other says that it exists.

ack

Interesting.....both GL and ATWT taped here at some point, I think.

r248, I walked past there once, and saw Scott De Freitas and the original Rosanna either arguing or running lines in the lobby (they were both standing up).

Paramount Global was going to sell off that chunk of CBS real estate in 2023, but earlier this year they changed their collective mind and are looking for a partner to develop and maximize the land to be used for other things.

[quote] The 161K SF site could accommodate a maximum of 1.1M SF of new development, according to the RFQ, but it would require rezoning. Paramount Global is looking for developers with experience navigating the city's Uniform Land Use Review Procedure. Developers are being asked to demonstrate their expertise in multifamily and affordable housing development, as well as condominium, office, retail, studio or life sciences real estate. “Paramount has already begun extensive due diligence related to potential redevelopment of the Broadcast Center,” the RFQ says. “Note Paramount will be exploring alternative locations to house broadcasting facilities currently located on the site; that search is not specifically tied to the site redevelopment described herein.”

I see that Kathleen Turner is playing Madame Armfeldt in A Little Night Music in summer stock. I’d love to see Kimmer in a production somewhere. Her rendition of “Liaisons” would be a treat. Maybe Robert Newman can convince her to do it at his theatre.

R248, when I was in high school we took a trip to NYC. I managed to break away from our group to get a look at the building where GL taped. Not sure what I thought I’d see. When I got there there were picketers — a writer’s strike was underway. The picketers were really nice and indulged me in some conversation. One of them gave me his picket sign.

As someone posted on the GH thread...

[quote] Alan Locher and Martha Byrne "disagreeing" about Trump on X.

Makes me very sad. She really fell down the Trumphole. Hard.

Martha's FB shows a picture of Eddie Gallagher and calls him and his wife "dear friends."

Martha has turned koo koo. Cannot stand her. Liz Hubbard would be so disappointed.

I like to think Lisa Brown would be, too.

So that crazy nut Anne Heche croaked off 2 years ago according to the KooKooDora retard person. Good riddance! The way Anne drove around all crazy and crashed into an innocent person’s home - she got what she deserved. And Anne cremated herself in the process! Bonus points!!

Liz and Lisa were definitely more on the liberal side - especially Lisa.

I know Martha's husband was a cop and therefore conservative but she really went down the rabbit hole full on, 1000 percent.

She went down the rabbit hole, because it was conservative talking heads who gave her a forum to complain about the criminal charges her husband was facing by the big bad federal government. These people who would listen to her talk about her husband used his situation to lay into a justice system that would bring charges and put someone like an ex-cop on trial -- just like what's being done to Trump -- all the while ignoring the fact that it was Trump's Department of Justice and HIS appointments in that office who began all this against her husband back in 2020 when he was still president.

Maybe it’s just this simple-Martha is Jersey trash. And a fair amount of Jersey trash are Deplorables.

My opinion of Martha has fallen off a steep cliff now that I've seen her regurgitating all this conservative MAGA crap.

Fucking social media, I have learned way too much about people I used to admire… Keyword used to

The cunt doesn’t want her ex-tv son Van Hansis to have his gay rights. F her!

I noticed that Van follows Noelle, but not Martha .. LOL.

Noelle very classy, and blue.

Isn’t Noelle close to Julianne Moore, and that’s how ATWT was able to get her back for the day in 2010?

I thought Julianne called and offered when ATWT was canceled

Best 15 Soaps Ranked by TV Insider.

Guess what show is listed as #1

It’s THE Guiding Light.

At least the idiot got THE Edge of Night right

OMG Passions & Santa Barbara - but no classic Another World? I did love Passions first few seasons, but uh no for the top ten.

Take another look at the list, r270

#12 Passions

#11 Another World

#10 Santa Barbara

I would have sucked the socks offa Tony Reardon.

Van Hansis liked the post.

[quote] Best 15 Soaps Ranked by TV Insider.

I'm sure the other editors-writers at TV Insider were like:

"Soaps? .. We still cover Soaps? .. Sure Maloney. .. Rank them however you want. .. Wait-a-sec. I thought you were on "Dancing with the Stars" coverage. .. Is that a soap? .. What about Real Housewives?"

John Aprea has died.

Happy birthday to Maureen Garrett! Forever leztastic as Holly on Guiding Light.

Maureen Garrett’s Holly never gets enough love; what a mesmerizing character and performance

Mo Garrett could eat snatch like no one’s business! Happy birthday.

R277 And she did so little - no hamming for the camera like La Zimmer.

Just rewatched this today and had to laugh at Henry's queeny little eyeroll around 2:57.

Gurl, we see you!

Weird interview I need to recommend- I know this more P&G, but its adjacent

The Locher Room dude interviewed Signy Coleman-

I have to say it was VERY interesting. I liked her very much.

She seems like an extremely sensitive chick, and it takes 5-10 minutes or so to feel her vibe- she can TALK.. But it was an extremely compelling conversation-

Kim Zimmer was allegedly a complete bitch to her. Allegedly.

She says her ex husband- allegedly- beat her. As kind as she was trying to be , it sounds like he was allegedly a real bastard-- He was on GL-

The most interesting part was about her time on Y&R.. The part about Eric Braeden was extremely telling- She stopped herself and then said something about actresses/women who sell their soul- I know exactly what she almost revealed- I am curious on all of your vibes on what she was about to get at....

Its quite an interview- and you can tell Alan was VERY uncomfortable as he is such a frightened vanilla bore. I am utterly shocked that the dude actually released the interview at all (respect), and I am more shocked that it has not gained any traction- Its pretty damned hardcore.

Linking it for you

Wait, one of Signy's ex-husbands was Vince Irizarry (Lujack)......he was the wife beater? Dang.

I doubt Alan will keep that interview up for long if Signy said Kim was a bitch to her.

R282- GO WATCH IT-

And yes, she said the husband's name- repeatedly- including a story from a train station where he called her -allegedly- a CUNT in public... I don't even want to type the guy's name, its so bananas. (My god he is handsome, to this day) I am floored by the entire interview and that its still up.

I was just a Y&R/OLTL watcher (and have really grown to love GL) and just figured you guys may really enjoy this one.

The Signy Coleman interview is disturbing, fascinating and very revealing. Thanks for flagging it as something to watch.

She clearly needed to get all that off her chest. She would no doubt have kept talking for two hours easily if Locher hadn't cut her off. And likely would have gone into many more details.

Disturbing, but not super surprising what she said about Vince. The way he used to go through cast mates as girlfriends, I always knew he must have some serious problems. But he's since found God, so maybe he's got some of those demons under control.

Interesting that she declined to name the people who were so nasty to her on Santa Barbara, but had no problem saying Kim Zimmer disliked her from the get go and still hates her.

The Y&R discussion was weird. I wasn't watching Y&R at the time, but am definitely curious about which actresses sold their souls.

If she got Eric Braeden off cue cards, even for a little while, bravo to her!

She said very nice things about Melody Thomas Scott which I found interesting because I would think MTS felt threatened by Coleman and her having Braeden as her leading man. But then again Coleman seemed to be angling to get to play Hope again on Y&R. She even claimed to have a storyline in mind for Hope’s return.

She mentioned Zimmer dismissing her as a “California girl.” Yes, I do believe there really was a NY vs LA bias when it came to soap axtors. That seemed patently clear when I’d serve on judging panels for the Daytime Emmys.

There was a rumor that a certain actor on a show Signy was on used to fuck starlets in his dressing room. Like MANY--- My gut tells me that Signy may have been going in that direction.. You can see her stop herself... I think that is what she was alluding to- You can go watch the moment. Just my alledged vibe. She seems a little neurotic and a very deep thinker. I liked her very much. Such real shit she talked about. So yeah, very surprised that this interview gained ZERO traction and that is was up at all!

[quote] I would think MTS felt threatened by Coleman and her having Braeden as her leading man.

I don't think MTS would have felt threatened over that. She'd already been around long enough to know the way supercouples work on soaps - with there being just as much drama, if not more, when the principals are with different partners. .. By the time Coleman showed up, Nikki had been in and out of Victor's life even longer when he was with the two Ashleys (Eileen Davdson, then Brenda Epperson). That relationship went on longer than the story with Hope. .. And let's not forget, some time later, Mel is the one who wanted TPTB to go full steam ahead with Nikki and "Bobby Marsino" played by John Enos. The behind-the-scene story back then was that it was actually Braeden who got Enos fired, because Bobby and Nikki were becoming far too popular among fans for his liking. Not only did viewers love the the Bobby-Nikki chemistry, but Mel loved working with Enos. One can't always say that about her when it comes to Braeden. He can be difficult, especially when it comes to not knowing his lines and going off script.

Vinnie slept with so many women. Lucky!

I laughed when nervous Locher tried to sidestep the direction Coleman was taking and said something like, "uhhhh .. We're running out of time ...."

It's a podcast, idiot, not a program on Plain Old Television, where there's a network schedule to adhere to. .. He could have let her talk for another hour ..lol.

Coleman's bad cosmetic work looks a little better than the way she appeared when she first had it done back in the mid-00s. She really wrecked her face back then. One imagines that's the main reason she stayed underground. Viewers were shocked how she looked when Y&R brought Hopeless back to kill her off in 2008. They gave Hope a terminal illness that worked with her bizarre look and wrapped this humongous scarf around her neck because she was so stretched that you could see every tendon on her throat.

I did notice that she has that large space between her nose and upper lip, like faye dunaway

So, in addition to Kim Zimmer not getting along with Cynthia Watros and Michelle Forbes, we can now add Signy Coleman to that list.

What female costars, besides Laura Wright, did Zimmer get along with?

R291, you forgot about Beth Ehlers. Zimmer was not a fan of hers, either.

Alan Locher is a joke. Don’t you dare say anything bad about his shows that he did p.r. for. Everything was always happy behind the scenes and everyone always loved each other. Moron.

Zimmer is the common denominator who had pals in the soap press, and happily gave them dirt on female co-stars who threatened her.

I had no idea Signey was the girl from the Huey Lewis and the News video.

R293 Alan comes across like a the typical lower level entertainment related doofus.

Zero personality. Perfectly pleasant and as deep as a plate!

Still cannot believe he aired the Signy video, much less left it up.

Its so odd. And wouldn't Irizarry be calling and demanding to take it down?

Very weird. For those who have not watched, I highly recommend it.

I really want to know Signy's comment about these hoes selling their souls during the Braeden part. The way she stopped herself.. Really good stuff.

R287, thanks for the proper context re: MTS. I had forgotten about her and Enos, their chemistry was great. I don’t think I even knew that Hope had been killed off many years later. Coleman did actually say she wanted to play Hope’s evil twin someday.

Crystal Chappell could be a shit stirrer too. Just ask Grant Aleksander.

How did Zimmer and Chappell get along?

R298 I though I saw articles that they got along well but someone recently said Crystal's book indicated she had troubles with Kim and Robert Newman.

I kinda wouldn't be surprised if Kim and Robert (and others) were not friendly to newcomers from Cynthia on........

Clearly they made up at some point since Kim and Robert both appeared on Venice.

Chappell is a complete shit stirrer. There’s a pattern. She was hated at Days, OLTL and GL.

MARY!

It was so nice not having the severely mentally ill troll here for a while, but clearly it's back now. All good things must come to an end, I suppose.

It’s Mary STEWART to you

Well, Spicen, our psycho soap troll, seems to have saved up some money to pay for a DL membership.

Nonetheless, it's easy enough to get rid of the psycho soap troll. Just hit the ignore button and his comments disappear from this thread and every other thread.

[quote] The Y&R discussion was weird. I wasn't watching Y&R at the time, but am definitely curious about which actresses sold their souls.

I didn't get that Coleman was pointing to any particular actress(es) at Y&R. After that compromise comment, she seemed to segue into speaking about young wannabe actresses in general who come to H-town and are willing to make compromises to get work (unlike herself), giving the example of the producer who tricked her into coming to his house (alone), then after she rebuffed him, told her she'd never make it if she didn't.

The timing of when she said that, R305 was telling- It was very clear where she was going (to me)

Spill, bitches!

It honestly was refreshing to see Signy Coleman give zero fucks and tell the truth. Alan was mortified especially when she talked about how Kim Zimmer treated her. Alan is still a fan boy and only wants to talk about stupid storylines on old shows from his childhood. Signy’s interview honestly could get his show major attention with all the bombshells she dropped. At least we know Signy will be speaking the truth on her show.

Alan clearly is a horrible host. The minute you realize that you have a guest like Signy who is no holds barred you do a rapid fire list of ALL of her co stars! Could you imagine?!!!

Have said it before and will say it again....

Alan seems to be a nice guy and he did a nice thing especially during COVID to bring soap actors together to reminisce.

But as an interviewer, he is terrible. TERRIBLE. It's not his specialty, he was a PR guy, and he hasn't really gotten any better at it. He doesn't do research, and his responses are often just "I love that." He tends to stick to what he personally knows or likes. It's painful to watch sometimes.

I hate to even bitch about it, he means well, but if he wants to follow his heroine Kathie Lee's footsteps he has a loooooooooong way to go.

(PS: the ONLY exception to that was when he stepped completely out of entertainment and did the Holocaust sessions, which were very personal, since his family was involved, and those were great because they were personal, maybe, and he didn't have to worry about anyone's reactions or remember anything.)

Alan is always in PR mode when doing any of his soap interview.

His first priority as a PR person was to make sure the soap comes off looking good. That's so ingrained in him, that 10+ years after these shows have been cancelled, he's still protecting the show, trying to make them look good.

That's why you don't hear about drug use by the actors. Hell, I've seen him cut off actors who mention smoking a cigarette.

That's why you don't hear about bad blood between actors. Or affairs between actors. Or how a show might have screwed the actor during contract negotiations.

Before an interview, Alan, in PR mode, normally talks to the actor reminding him/her not to bring up these controversial and potentially embarrassing subjects. Either he forgot to say it to Signy or she ignored him.

I don't need a list of every actor/actress someone fucked but I really wish the actors were more open about backstage conflict. It's what we want to hear about.

If X story didn't get told, I want to know and understand why. I don't need to know who snorted cocaine in their dressing room, really.

Just saw most of the Signy interview.

My, she has NO fucks to give ......it was fabulous.

and

Locher has NO idea how to handle it. At. All.

Okay Oakdale fans. I was more of an everyday watcher during the Marland years.

I can't remember how it was explained that Rose D'Angelo came onto the scene - obviously I know Iva had twins, but how was that story explained or told? Quite something for a 13 year old to have twins......

Iva was a disaster, a magnet for crappy men and drama. I blame her adoptive family of incestuous hillbillies.

Kirk Anderson always gave off sizemeat vibes.

The BDF is probably all that nose, but still.

I didn't have a chance to watch the Steven Weber Locher Room......will have to hear what he says about Julianne Moore (seriously) and ATWT in general.

What do you think he’s gonna say? Locher will say: “That’s crazy”. Steven Weber was on ATWT for under a year. Hardly memorable. Of course he’s gonna praise Julianne. She's an Oscar winner. That’s crazy!

.....

He’ll also say “I love that” to practically everything Weber says.

R321 I love that. That’s crazy.

And then get that glassy look in his eyes when something remotely "provocative" is discussed, stammers, and changes the subject!

(Minus the Signy Colman interview, where Alan MUST have been drugged or something to air that one at all!!! HA!- Its a doozy!)

Apparently Alan Locher cannot accept that he was the publicist as GL and ATWT went off the air. He failed at his job - to raise awareness and ratings. He failed. Bigtime. 2 iconic shows went off the air after decades. F U Alan Locher.

There should be a drinking game every time he sais "I love that"

Shocker!

This is what I thought at the time of GL and ATWT's cancellation would work......especially when they said Lifetime was looking at picking up the show.

I understand it's expensive to make an hour long soap, but a few movies a year with beloved characters would have been a no brainer.....couldn't be too expensive if it was 8, 10 actors or so.....

Martha Byrne is losing fans quickly.

I'm coming, Bud!

I notice that TV Line article is now referring to the Kelly Ripa-Mark Consuelos "Pine Valley" project as "ill-fated." .. "Dead in the water" would probably be more accurate.

I chuckled last night when Trump started talking about illegal immigrants eating people's pets in Springfield.

Trying to imagine that as a storyline on GL. During Megan McTavish's ripped from the headlines HW tenure, I'm sure the idea would have been considered.

Reva Shayne eating dogs and cats in Springfield!

R330 If Paul Rauch had gotten wind of it he'd have had Vanessa develop a hankering for dog meat, no doubt.

Who wants a dog?

Next time Reva Shayne sneaks into the country in a cargo container with a bunch of day players, errr, illegal aliens, she can open the cargo container door in Springfield and say, "A feast awaits you all. The pets are yours for the taking!"

Didn’t guiding light clone a very edible goat before they cloned reva?

Sign on side of road:

"Come to Bay City, where your pets will be safe."

R331 Reva ate everything up at GL. BURP!

Someone posted at the Locher Room about James Earl Jones and......Beverlee McKinsey (!!) having a hot torrid affair!

I had NO idea.

Bev liked to dip into the chocolate pool.

Ahem

James Earl Jones had a type-he ended up marrying Cecilia Hart, also a petite blonde,

I never realized how hot JEJ was when he was younger.

Can you send over that young man in the dripping Speedo again? The one with the......generously filled Speedo? I enjoyed his company.

Why, he had me wetter than all of Laurel Falls!

And send over a poolboy for my good friend Henry Chamberlain.

Shhhhh

Christian Camargo just posted photos of his dad Raphael “Ralph” Jaime Camargo. Lady Eyes a Buggin’ was getting banged by a muy caliente senor. Or was it only the once, dear?

Ralph Camargo was her FATHER, not her boyfriend/husband. Christian Camargo reclaimed the family name after both Lady Eyes A Buggin and her sister changed their names for professional reasons.

Haha. Oops. He did look old timey.

It's the birthday of Miss Van Haznisssssssssssssss today......43!

So Van's and elder gay now?

Miss Van Hansis is NOT happy with Martha Byrne these days.

OLD!

Beth Chamberlain and Tina Sloan were in the Locher Room today. Haven't seen any of it yet....

That Queen Dan Kroll was on The Locher Room the other day. Haven’t and will not watch that queen.

[quote] That Queen Dan Kroll was on The Locher Room the other day.

Does he remember his first day?

Miss Van Haznissssssssssss IN as nuLucas at GH!

Someone warn him that Laura Wright might just eat him as she chews the scenery.....

Remember when Miss Van Hansis told OUT magazine that he wasn’t gay? I do!

Is there a reason why Ryan Carnes isn't reprising the role. He's hot.

Drake Hogestyn has died.

I didn't know that before DAYS, he'd auditioned for the role of Kyle Sampson on GL!

Ron Hale from Ryan's Hope has also died.

Luckily, that queen Alan Locher has checked in on Eileen Fulton and she is ok. Has anyone checked in on Don Hastings?

DEAD!

Check his Only Fans.

Was watching mid 90s GL, the scenes where Cassie and Reva learn that they're sisters.

Not perfect but it was a damn sight better than I remember GL being then. But then again that was all before the clone and San Cristobel. Rauch's touch was all over the show, though.

I was 11 years old in 1970. A few years later I fell in love with David Ackroyd's character on The Secret Storm.

and then it died...

it wasn't so secret any more, I suppose.

I'm still kicking!

Me too! Maybe Emma and John can reunite after all these years.

Do you still show your titties to everyone and anyone Kathleen?

Emma would crush ole Johnny D!

You cunts couldn't spell MY name right when I died, dammit!

You 90 year old PIG'S DUMPS told me to read Mary STEWARTS rancid old "autobiography"- I bought this glorified fishwrapper on Ebay-

I tried to read it in the bathtub on Christmas Eve last year and ALMOST DROWNED in the tub, you fuckers!

Her "story" was soooooo boring, and that old hag was so ugly in those photos I fell asleep from boredom and utter SHOCK!

What a danky ass looking old goat! And her book SUCKED!

R372, thanks for posting that. Recognized Grant A’s voice instantly.

I used to love when they’d play the melancholy version of the theme.

You can smell the cunt coming off the page in Mary's book BOTH OF ME.

R375- She was a REAL BITCH, ugly as original sin, and her book was BORING!

And she tried to drown me.

I ditched that book in trashbox and was like- WTF? I am not even 45 yet, watched OLTL and Y&R in the late 80's- Why the FUCK did I read this old hag's book from 1956?

I appreciate your support and great taste.

Was the town of Henderson named after Florence?

R377 No, but it did have a certain Wessonality.

How far is it from Henderson to Las Vegas?

I love Mary Stuart stories. You bitches have told some good ones over the years.

Not as long as my dick.

Here is a full episode of Search For Tomorrow from Christmas, 1952.

Production values were not as crude as might be expected for the time, some shows were still transitioning from radio at this point.

The episode is 15 minutes long.

Mary “Stewart” was FURIOUS when they brought in Jo Henderson as the McCleary family matriarch and they took over SFT. She was extra cunty, especially to Jo Henderson because of her name. After all, Mary’s Jo was the doyenne of Henderson.

That was 72 years ago......!!!

You bitches are slipping!!

The 15th anniversary of Guiding Light's final episode was three weeks ago and no one here mentioned it!!!!

RIP GL. Died on Sept. 18, 2009.

Character actors Nicholas Pryor had died at 89.

He's probably best remembered on soaps for playing Kevin's dad, ex-spy Victor Collins, on GH and Port Charles in the 90s.

He also was part of the original cast of Another World in 1964, playing Tom Baxter, who got ingenue Pat Matthews pregnant. She would go on to have the first abortion ever performed on a soap, albeit a back alley abortion.

He also had stints on Secret Storm, Edge of Night, All My Children and Love Is a Many Splendored Thing,.

In the movies, he played Tom Cruise's father in Risky Business.

R385 No one cares that GL croaked 15 years ago. GL died years before that. TGL truly died when they took THE out of the title.

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Anyway, for those of us not in a mental institution......

Upon my annual viewing of the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers, I welcome the sight of Larry (HB Lewis) Gates in a significant supporting role~

I still can't believe HB Lewis slapped Mr. Tibbs!

Miss Van Hansis queened it up with queen Alan Locher today. Who was queenier?? I still laugh at Miss Hansis telling OUT Magazine that he’s straight, back in the day. And Roger Newcomb (a Queen himself) arranging fan get togethers for Miss Hansis. Roger used to tell the guests that you couldn’t ask Van about his sexuality or else you’ll be asked to leave the event. Hysterical queenieness ensued. Oh the stuff we fans had to put up with!! lololololololololololol

Van Hansis was in the Locher Room today

R393 I was at one of those fan events in Marco Island, and Van let it be known he was with 'T' - Tyler, and he thought it was stupid he had to be muzzled. Van was drunk off his arse, but titally charming. I think someone asked who he wanted Luke to be with, if Noah didn't work out and he said Nancy Hughes!

I remember Van saying that Helen Wagner did not like that Luke’s storyline happening in her Oakdale, and Don Hastings told him, “What do you expect, she’s an old German.”

So was Charita Bauer and I’m pretty sure she would have been fine with a storyline featuring Kelly Nelson getting it on with alan Spaulding.

Charita was dickmatized after seeing John Wesley Shipp in that speedo.

Or maybe after seeing The Pendulous One in those short gym shorts. She would have given her good leg for a swing at that!

I’m glad that Van is still with Tyler (cheat much?? Lol) Where is Roger Newcomb now? He tried to make Van straight for some unknown reason.

oy vey

[quote] Where is Roger Newcomb now?

Per his Linkedin, Newcomb had been working a regular job doing public relations and IT work for the Bronx Community Health Network in New York. He'd been there for the last nine years and just left that job in June 2024. He hasn't updated his work profile since. .. Then, a couple of months later, in August 2024, he put on his Facebook page that the Indie Series Awards, which he'd been the executive producer of since 2009, would be going on hiatus.

(btw - Newcomb was also on the Locher Room with Damon Jacobs about a year ago.)

I don’t actually care where Newcomb is now. Just laughing at the memories of how he would kick anyone out of his event if they mentioned Van’s sexual preference. We were all shaking our heads over the stupidity of it since everyone knew Van is a big homo.

I really think Roger did so much good - We Love Soaps was a really great site for most of its run, and though I never did really get into the whole web soap thing the ISAs were a great way to recognize those shows.

Sadly web soaps really didn't catch on in the way everyone had hoped. And the strikes probably killed a lot of funding for very very small projects like those.

A few familiar faces at this year's (annual) GL "Stars and Strikes" event.

R402, I couldn’t agree more. Newcomb worked tirelessly (and probably mostly for free) in efforts to elevate the industry and genre that so many of us like and enjoy.

Roger may be a little 'peculiar,' ;-) but We Love Soaps developed into a great champion of soap opera and became a wonderful history bank of information about the genre. He probably made little-to-nothing off the website, because I remember one time, he asked (very nicely) if people could turn their adblocker off. One didn't have to, but it was to help keep the lights on. And even then, the ads were very minimal. I don't even see ads now at the archived website. Plus, he had a regular day job. He worked at Sun Microsystems, then Oracle. WLS was like an avocation.

R405, I miss WLS so much. I used to visit a minimum of once a day. I still hit the site once or twice a month with my fingers crossed.

I hope Roger knows how much his efforts mean to so many of us.

Before that, I loved WoST and Tim Rost’s Celebrating the Soaps.

I’ve been with Daytime Confidential since the very early days, but it seems (to me) to have lost so much of its heart.

I was on WoST and then We Love Soaps. Both labors of love. I miss them both tremendously.

Roger seemed to devote 40 hours a week to We Love Soaps for a few years there. It was incredible the work he was doing. But then I began to recognize the signs of burnout were setting in. And unfortunately, he ultimately chose to just stop posting any new content on the site, which was a huge loss to the soap fans.

I wish he had put out a call to other soap fans for help. If he'd needed a six-month sabbatical, I'd have been happy to help out since I've run other websites. I couldn't have done everything he was doing but certainly could have posted the Today in Soap History column each day and posted press releases from the networks.

R407, I wonder if SOD lifted/lifts it’s Today in Soap History (I’m sure they call it something slightly different) from We Love Soaps.

At some point Roger helped launch that other website "Serial Scoop." .. I remember some other guy was involved with it.

It used to go by serialscoop.com - but the address these days is serialscoopnow.com

If you go there, you'll notice that Roger still posts there occasionally. He's pretty much the only contributor, although I do see something written by Nelson Aspen about Mary Stuart written three years ago. Unfortunately, the more current posts are mainly press releases on major soap events that you'd find elsewhere, just with his spin on it or some added information; so it's nothing like the highly-original content that he used to put up at WLS.

I think at one point We Love Soaps was going to be all history and Serial Scoop would be all new/current news but Serial Scoop never really seemed to catch momentum.

I know Roger was the driving force behind getting P&G to release the few DVDs they did of scenes from ATWT and GL, so if he did literally nothing else, he should be recognized for that.

I really liked Damon Jacobs' interviews with several stars - Jacobs' day job was as a therapist and some of those interviews go deeper than any other interviews I've ever seen.

The two old websites about soaps I miss the most are WeLoveSoaps and Shrine to the Soaphunks. The latter was another one where the guy basically did everything on his own and made nothing from it. In his case, he actually would have put out a money beg on occasion. He'd ask for donations when he couldn't afford the content storage fees. The site would go off-line from time-to-time, when he couldn't pay the bills. I believe I sent him $25 via Paypal once. Eventually, he had to give it up, and managed to get some of the vast content he'd collected picked up by AZNude.com, but that site wouldn't feature all of the many, many lesser-known actors from daytime. And the ones they did include typically had their content cut way back from what the Shrine had, so a lot of material was lost.

R411 I remember that site.

Newcomb was/is a mess! I don’t miss his content at all. He favored some people over others and was in love with Van (I’m straight) Hansis.

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Interesting that we all were *literally* (and yes, that word applies here) talking about this on Monday and there's a post today talking about "Serial Scoop is back."

Hmm......the plot thickens!

Oh gawd!! The Nelson’s were awful! Both Aspen and Branco (thank GOD Branco croaked off!!!) were cringeworthy.

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An interesting thread came up in the AMC/OLTL thread about Steve Bassett (Seth on ATWT) and the fact that he and his wife were apparently someone's caretaker? As in, this made the news somewhere?

This came up as part of a larger chat about Francesca James, who was apparently the caretaker for Julie Harris in the last years of her life. There was also the weirdness of the fan (likely a closeted gay man) who left his estate to two 80s TV hunks he'd never met.

R418 That was the guy in Illinois who left his property to (former) actors Kevin Brophy and MAGAT Peter Barton. The property was estimated to be worth around a million dollars, so each was expected to receive about $500K when sold.

Articles indicated "the house was an absolute filthy mess." I imagine they found old issues of "Tiger Beat" magazines that featured the actors and the guy's cum rags.

In the Port Charles thread there was discussion of Rick Hearst's appearance on Maurice Benard's podcast, which covers mental health issues.

Rick discussed his "costar on GL" - Frank Beaty - and confirmed that during the Brent/Marian story Frank had a breakdown.

R420 We knew that almost 30 years ago when Frank was suddenly replaced. All the mags reported it. Do try to keep up.

MARY!

I mean

MAURICE!

Enjoyed the Barbara Rodell Locher Room interview. Her mention of bitchy Helen Wagner was priceless.

The list of people calling ole Helen out for her cuntiness is ever growing.

Helen Wagner was a cunt! We knew it 70 years ago! Why is this surprising???

What did she say about Helen? I love a “Helen Wagner is a cunt” story.

I’m still recovering from Signy Coleman’s interview. I know…MARY!

R427 That was quite something, and it's more surprising that Alan hasn't deleted it yet (though knowing him he likely edited it down).

Locher is a terrible interviewer. That’s crazy!

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Apparently at a rehearsal Helen said aloud she wished the Joyce character would be killed off. Barbara took offense, went to Helen's dressing room and told her she needed the job and wasn't very nice to her. She said Helen softened afterwards. Maybe Helen was constipated that day? Rodell said Eileen Fulton was very sweet to her and told her she was the new kid and that Helen would get over itl

Lol Helen was such a crank. She always acted in interviews like she had taken Irna Phillips’ place as the Queen of Daytime after Irna died.

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when vinegary Helen Wagner went to Mary-Ellis Bunim and said she was leaving the show because of how the veterans were being pushed aside. MEB said don’t let the door hit you on the way out. lololololololol

Wagner looked so constipated in the "nightly news" version of the opening credits. Face like the front of a 1960 Rambler.

Haha, R434, I thought Wagner and Fulton didn’t look good in that “nightly news” open. The lighting for them was crappy. Those poor old bitches were probably shot last and in a rush. Maura West and Leslie Kay both looked exquisite in it which was no surprise.

R434 & R435, which opening was the “nightly news” version?

Helen looked like her prunes hadn't kicked in yet here.

They left her dusty old snatch out of this one.

Helen had every right to be cunty, having spoke the first line of the first show. Mary Ellis Bunim had failed to get rid of Mary Stuart at Search, so installed at World Turns she wanted to kill off Nancy to make Chris a widower who would move in with Bob and Kim. Brett Halsey supposedly wrote a book about a grasping EP aka MEB trying to wrest control of the show from the leading lady. No idea if it ever got published,

Helen wasn’t bringing in the young demos, which was the focus of all soaps in the early 80’s when GH exploded and all the shows tried copying them. Helen went sulking in Katonah, where she lived.

HOLY shit- this is the first time I have ever seen Alan shaking his head in such agreement when someone is saying something very uncomfortable/provocative like. during Barbara's Helen story... AND he has this gigantic "knowing' smile on his face!!

THAT HELEN MUST HAVE BEEN A COMPLETE FUCKING CUNT FOR ALAN TO BE ENJOYING THIS SO MUCH!!! Holy shit! And I love how Barbara was hesitant to even share and Alan is telling her- DON'T WORRY, I WORKED WITH THAT VILE BITCH!

You would think that Helen would have been thankful for that gig considering she had NO talent, NO charisma, and had the face of a rotted butternut!!!

This deserves a

EAT SHIT HELEN, and ROT IN HELL!

I wonder what Helen thought of “her granddaughter “ Julianne Moore flashing her pussy in Shortcuts. Proud for getting an Altman film, or appalled at her acting like a tramp, like that no good Joyce Colman?

All of you hussies can go to hell!

Mimi Torchin to Liz Hubbard-Lucinda has been a lady in search of a storyline…

Helen Wagner (grabbing the mic): HAVEN’T WE ALL!?!

Did Kathleen Widdoes - famous titty flasher - ever flash her tits at cunty Helen?

I love stories about those old bitchy broads from soaps. I'd like to see Mary Stuart, Helen Wagner, and Virginia Dwyer all in a big bitch-off. No one would be left standing.

I would win but That Head Writer wrote me out! Just because I relied on cue cards....the very nerve!

.......Line?

Ginny Dwyer didn't need cue cards. She just made her lines up as she went along. She ignored the script completely.

The fact the other actors didn't know how to respond to her since she wasn't following any semblance of the script was their problem, not hers.

This is the “nightly news” opening. Although I got it mixed up with the other one where West and Kay looked so gorgeous.

Ole girl still looks like the prunes haven't kicked in yet in that one, too.

That opening was also known as the "Truman Show" or "toilet flush" opening (because of the whooshing effect). I like the "nightly news".

Maura had the bedroom eyes in the second version and Eileen also looks good.

Could this be true?

God, let these shows die. All of this shit will be goofy and unwatchable. I was a OLTL fan but admired ATWT from afar.. I a gun was held to my head I would watch the ATWT Hallmark reunion over AMC, that is for sure.

I don’t need to see Martha MAGAT on my television again.

r455

one of the many reasons I hate social media

I'm laughing, because that AMC "Pine Valley" project has been getting talked about for almost five years.

I want a steamy streaming show where Phillip Spaulding and Noah Meyer would wrestle nude for the title of Pendulous One.

Audrey Peters and Charita Bauer seem to have good reputations and were beloved by their castmates. I'd love ore cunty stories about Mary Stuart, Helen Wagner, Virginia Dwyer and Ann Flood.

I have never heard that Ann Flood was a cunt, but when she showed up on Search for Tomorrow, Mary was not nice to her at all. Ann was somewhat taken aback because the Edge set was nothing like that.

Ann Flood was the most WASPy beautiful of that bunch.

And she had a cool house on The Edge of Night.

[quote] I have never heard that Ann Flood was a cunt, but when she showed up on Search for Tomorrow, Mary was not nice to her at all.

Mary wasn't nice to anyone.

Including her husband and children, if I remember correctly. She ruled the roost.

R461 funny that Ann Flood was a devout Catholic. She was married to Herb Granath, who at one time was the head of CBS and ABC Sports. I think EDGE was mostly a happy cast, the biggest scandal was Donald May dumping his wife for Dixie Carter.

Since Edge was a murder mystery soap, it meant that someone had to be killed off about every six months to keep the story going.

If someone was becoming a diva and causing problems, they could easily become the next murder victim.

With the sword of Damocles hanging over everyone's head, people tend to be nice to each other. That makes for a happy set.

Interestingly, Donald May's Adam Drake was one of the few people I never expected to be killed off, along with Mike and Nancy Karr. Yet, one July day in 1977, I tuned into to see Adam Drake dead with a knife in his back. Never say never.

Mary had every right to despise the McCleary takeover and Jo Henderson, but they were just doing jobs. The earlier cuntitude towards the various Pattis and the various writers was just somewhat over the top. Poor Ann Marcus.

Donald May was really the only 'troublemaker' on the Edge set, but he kept that to production only and not his fellow actors. Even though he did not want Adam and Nicole to reunite, he understood the audience's desire for that and played it. His biggest issue was about daytime actors being disrespected and fought against that. Salary and schedule and proper PR were important to him.

When Edge moved to ABC in December 1975, ABC expressed interest in re-running Edge in late night, say at 11:30 p.m. or 12 midnight.

There were serious discussions about this. Actors were for it, but wanted to be paid extra for the second airing. Most of the actors were content with a little bit more money, but one actor was pushing for a substantial pay bump for the second airing.

As s result, the negotiations fell apart and Edge never became part of ABC's late night schedule.

The actor pushing for that substantial bump for the second airing was Donald May.

If ever there was a soap that would have been a success in late night, it would have been Edge of Night.

Even as a daytime show, almost half of its audience was men. In late night, likely many more men would have discovered it and become devoted fans.

I miss Donald May eating out my snatch.

EON is also the one soap that has been off the air for a long time but could be brought back in almost the exact same format.

[quote] In late night, likely many more men would have discovered it and become devoted fans.

That may have been why the two daily syndicated episodes that USA Network ran aired from 12:30AM - 1:30AM.

P&G owned Edge. It’s never coming back. Get over it.

Nein.

Nancy St. Alban telling Alan Locher what a CUNT Ellen Wheeler was!

Alan got that GLAZED/FRIGHTENED look he gets when someone gets REAL. I will call it the "signey"

Apparently he only enjoys that shit when its about some sour old cunt who has been dead for 20 years!

Alan Fucking Locher is a pussy. He knows that he did a shitty job of “publicist” and GL and ATWT were cancelled under his “publicity” job. Asshole.

Ellen was under enormous stress at GL.

Ooh, did the TJ Maxx Michelle Bauer spill some tea today?

Ellen Wheeler cried everyday.

UGH

In fairness to Ellen, you would sob and cry too if you had to work with that braying hambone Zimmer.

R480 No! You’d have balls and tell Zimmer to go fuck herself. Be an EP and stop crying. Nancy St Alban called out Wheeler today!!! And Nancy wants to do it face to face. Schedule that on your show, pussy Alan Locher.

Did someone say HAAAAAM???!!????

Wait, did Donald May actually have an affair with Dixie Carter, or is someone confusing them with their characters, Adam & Brandy?

Carla Borelli should have had a better career. She played a horny bitch so well. She deserved more than that role on Falcon Crest.

Apparently Carla was Pam Long's first choice for Reva Shayne.

[quote]Apparently Carla was Pam Long's first choice for Reva Shayne.

That's what a lot of people assume, but there's no proof of it that I know of. Pam has never confirmed it. Zimmer has said she knows who Pam's first choice was, but has never said the name publicly.

What we do know is that Carla Borelli and Pam Long were good friends off screen and had a great on-screen rivalry on Texas.

Pam wanted to bring a lot of people from Texas over to Guiding Light. Her first choice for Billy Lewis was Jerry Lanning, who had played Justin Marshall, Pam's on-screen husband. However CBS vetoed that idea.

I can easily see Pam writing Reva with Carla in mind. Carla would have played the hell out of the part. But someone alerted Zimmer about the part and she started campaigning for it.

Its a shame none of the other soaps scooped Carla Borelli up. She was one of the best things about Texas. Carla could have had a long career in daytime if the right role had come her way.

But she found her man while at Texas. Carla and Donald May fell in love and he divorced his wife to be with her. They were together almost 40 years until he died in 2022.

Has Carla died?

Carla would have been great as a recast Donna on Another World instead of Philece Sampler-sorry BNSD.

Linda Dano interviewed ORD Anna Stuart for her web series who surprised me by how down-to-earth she is.

R486 I remember hearing it around the time GL ended....I can't remember if it was Long or Zimmer who said it but it was one of those soap blogger sort of podcasty interview things on Blog Talk Radio, I think. One of them confirmed Carla was either the first choice or at least in the mix. Reva was supposed to be a redhead, specifically.

But you're right about Long wanting to import a lot of the Texas people. Seems like P&G allowed some of the lesser known Texas actors to come over to GL, but didn't want the leads on Texas to play leads on GL.

Jerry Lanning eventually arrived in Springfield as Cain — in a story that seemed like a fever dream — circus/carnival train derailment, instant obsession with Reva, threw Claire Ramsey off the bridge, etc.

Pam may have created the Cain character and cast Jerry Lanning in the role. But she left immediately afterward to go on maternity leave in early 1986. She wasn't there to supervise the day-to-day scripts or the lunatic direction the writers were taking Cain in.

If Pam had been there, Jerry would have become one of GL's leading men and would have been there for many years.

Pam would never have let them write Jerry Lanning's Cain as an irredeemable psycho.

True, he was terribly wasted.

[quote]Seems like P&G allowed some of the lesser known Texas actors to come over to GL, but didn't want the leads on Texas to play leads on GL.

That was indeed strange. Usually when a soap is cancelled, it's hottest actors are snatched up by other shows.

ABC nabbed Linda Dano when AW was canceled.

NBC moved Galen Gering and Eric Martsolf and Lindsey Hartley to Days when Passions was cancelled.

Hell, when Edge of Night was canceled, P&G quickly moved Larkin Malloy to GL and Sharon Gabet to AW.

I wonder if Pam had Jerry Lanning in mind when she created the Kyle Sampson character.

But then P&G forced Larkin Malloy on her when P&G abruptly canceled Edge with just two months notice.

I am a big Larkin Malloy fan -- loved his Sky Whitney and his Travis Montgomery -- but his Kyle Sampson never entirely worked for me.

I think Jerry would have been better as Kyle than Larkin ever was. Jerry had a playfulness about him that Larkin never seemed to have. The early scenes of Kyle and Reva, especially the Witness ripoff storyline, had a playful element written into it that Larkin completely failed to play correctly.

After that Amish storyline fizzled, they wrote Kyle as a much more serious character, without the playful undertones.

Jerry Lanning and Kim Zimmer would have had great fun playing off each other and would have made that Amish storyline work.

I’ve often wondered if Larkin went to GL and Sharon went to AW because they were popular on Edge or because PG wanted them to finished out their contracts. I thought the same thing happened with Tom Eplin on ATWT. I could be wrong, but I thought for sure that I heard this from some soap message board or something.

Eplin - fuck. Was it caffeine or something stronger?

Reportedly, when Tom Eplin renewed his contract with AW in 1998, he knew the show was in danger of being canceled. So, he had it written into his contract that if AW was canceled, he would finish out the contract at one of the other P&G soaps.

Thank you! I knew I read it somewhere. I wonder if Sharon and Larkin had similar deals.

Reva and Kyle were sort of fun in the very beginning, but Kyle became a sourpuss, and I think Larkin also had some sort of personal breakdown.

I think after initially trying to make Kyle a bit more debonair, the revolving door of writers decided Kyle would be their substitute Alan Spaulding.

Then when the real Alan (plus Josh) came back, Kyle was no longer needed.

AW was so up and down in the 80s.

Sharon could have been great on AW, but was wasted. I think because she was forced on the writers. She should have played Rachel’s little sister or something like that.

Then who was that other guy on GL? I think he died of AIDS but was possibly infected via IV drug use. He didn't ping gay but that means nothing with my faulty gaydar.

Maybe he was a possible love interest for Mindy Lewis when Krista was still playing her.

I liked her character but the actress never caught on anywhere else.

R505 Are you talking about Joe Breen? He's not dead but he is HIV+.

He played Will Jeffries, who was with Mindy briefly but was mainly a part of the Sonni/Solita storyline.

He was outed as HIV+ when he was on ATWT a few years later.

Yes r504, i believe Rachel had another half-sister, other than Nancy.

Nancy was was another character that could have had lots more mileage, a good recast maybe.

Pammy Davis was Rachel's other half sister

Him exactly r506. Thank you. Good to hear he is still with us .

Sharon would have been great in the role of Rachel's rival and half sister Pammy Davis. Rachel really needed a rival after they wrote Alice out.

As it was, they had Sharon play Brittany, the foil in the tortured romance of Sally and Catlin, which was the show's hottest couple at that point (AW's answer to Bo and Hope). Brittany was sure a thankless role, and one the was poorly written. Making Brittany deaf just to add to the sympathy factor was a bad choice.

I liked several of AW's Sallys but Mary Page Keller, the first DARK HAIRED SALLY was my favourite.

Second favourite was Jennifer Runyon.

Casting Taylor Miller and killing the character was a huge misstep.

AW was the worst of the P&G soaps.

Brittany Petersen and Reginald Love were two horrible characters that undermined the structure of Another World in the most remarkable ways.

Brittany’s arrival led to the end of the popular Sally/Catlin pairing. She was paired with Peter Love, who went from being a good guy to being a feeble villain accused of being a serial killer. Peter was a character the show could have used in later years, as AW did not have many men in that age group. Brittany was disliked by the fans; when the show conducted a poll to see if fans wanted Brittany to be convicted of shooting Peter, they responded by overwhelmingly voting for convicting her. Catlin and Sally should have just been written off together.

Reginald was a bargain basement James Stenbeck or Stefano DiMera. He ordered the death of Sally Frame, a character created by Harding Lemay and the adopted daughter of Steve Frame and original character Alice Matthews. Her death led to the demise of the Matthews clan, as original character Liz Matthews was written out as well.

Reginald’s arrival led to the insipid character of Mary McKinnon, who was whisked away from Bay City and her blue collar family by Reginald for….some reason, and then spent the next 20 years out of Bay City as his amnesiac rich wife.

As this occurred, Donna Love and MJ McKknnon were recast and rewritten (Donna became meek; MJ suddenly became an ex-prostitute); Vince McKinnon was recast: Kathleen McKinnon was written out, and new supercouple Scott LaSalle (who was supposed to be Vicky and Marley’s triplet brother) and Cheryl McKinnon were introduced.

All of this happened in nine months, and these new or rewritten characters were shoved down the viewer’s throats. 1986 was truly a horrible year for AW.

[quote]1986 was truly a horrible year for AW.

1987 was even worse in my opinion. Brand New Sexy Donna coming on as one of the worst recasts ever. Cass being held captive while Rex took his place in Bay City. More Reginald Love antics. Donna's triplets turned out to be just twins. John Hudson came to town with PTSD. Felicia romancing Mitch. YAWN!

One of the few bright spots in that otherwise dreadful year was Anne Hech joining as Vickey She would then start playing Marley a few months later.

Harding Lemay managed to whip the show into shape in a matter or weeks.

That damn writers' strike was such bad timing.

I always thought that Another World had difficulty figuring out what it wanted to be after Lemay was fired in 1979. It struggled to find itself until Lemay returned in 1988, and almost immediately, it got its groove back.

I know this is sacrilege in the soap community, but Doug Marland was never one of my favorite writers. I won't go into all the reasons why he's not one of my favorites, but I acknowledge that he's a good writer. I think Doug Marland would have been a perfect follow-up writer after Lemay was let go in 1979. He could have been just the kind of bridge the show needed to work itself out of Lemay's heavily character-focused writing. Lemay influenced Marland's writing, but Marland just took Lemay's style and added plots to it, and lots of incest ( but I said I wouldn't get into my issues with Doug).

I know Marland was at GH, but think about Marland coming to replace Lemay in 79. The Frame farm would have come back or some new poor family. Some mother would take the blame to save her daughter from a murder charge. Think about all those classic Marland stories playing out on AW in the early 80s.

Between 80 and 88, Harry Must Die and Alma Rudder are really the two stand-out stories. Donna, being Marly's mother, was good, and bringing in Victoria was also good, but that was more about good acting than good storytelling, I wouldn't call it a stand-out storyline. Cass, Felicia, Cecile, and Wallingford's antics were fun, but again that was more about acting.

R516 I respect your opinion. Mostly because I feel the same way about Agnes Nixon - i.e. there were certainly some good stories in there but I never quite understood the fuss.

Agree that Marland would have been a better transition from Lemay to....not Lemay. Those years in between Lemay 1 and the blink-and-you'll-miss-it Lemay 2 run were pretty terrible, lifted only by a few strong actors and stories.

"Pat goes on trial to protect Marianne" just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

If Marland had gone to AW in the late 80s after Lemay’s second stint, I think he would have done great things.

He loved strong female characters-and AW in 1988 had Rachel, Iris, Ada, Sharlene, Donna, Vicky and Felicia, for starters.

I think Marland would drfinitely have brought in more Perrini family members around Rose (Kathleen Widdoes), Joey (Ray Liotta) and Angie (Maeve Kinkaid). Maybe bring on Mac’s brother for Rose and Rachel’s sister Pamela as the slightly older lover of Joey’s.

Someone asked upthread how the Nancy St. Alban interview on the Locher Room went.

In a word, YAWN.

I'm not one of the many Nancy haters. I liked her Michelle Bauer well enough. But this was a very boring interview. She spent almost 30 minutes talking about some misdiagnosed medical condition she's experiencing. It was far too much detail, so I just fast forwarded until she wasn't talking about it.

Only other interesting thing she mentioned was that in 1998, she was up for the role of Josie Watts on AW when Amy Calson left.

She also said Ellen Wheeler phoned her while she was on maternity leave. Ellen asked her all sorts of probing questions about her plans for the future, etc. Nancy was distracted by tending to her new baby and didn't think much of it. When she got back to the studio, other actors said it was inappropriate of Ellen to do that and it didn't bode well for Danny and Michelle's future on the show. A few weeks later, Ellen fired them.

Did Ellen Crybaby Wheeler learn at the heels of Jill Farren Phelps? Firing actresses while they were pregnant or just after they had a baby?

As much as I'd relish a reason to bitch about Wheeler, I was so tired of Danny and Michelle that I was glad when they left. It was fine when they came back at the end.

So Grant and his pendulous dong really got fired from GL by Wheeler?

R524 Yes, he was fired.

2004 was when GL got into serious financial straits. John Conboy in particular had spent money that wasn't there to spend. In order to keep the show on the air, P&G had to lower its licensing fee, which is what it paid people out of, so a number of actors took a 15 percent pay cut or went to recurring. This went on into 2005 - the year Laura Wright went to GH and Jerry ver Dorn left, as well.

Anyway.......Grant was really passionate about the quality of the show and apparently bumped heads a few times with directors and/or upper level suits - not Wheeler in particular, but a few people. He was protesting the dumb story where Harley was pretending to be someone else to spy on him - and her disguise was not at all convincing. Wheeler needed to cut a chunk of the show for budget reasons and I think she and the network just mutually decided it was time to rest Philip.

What they hoped for was that after a rest of 6 months or a year, GA would come back, but he didn't. In story, Alan learned Philip was alive but kept it a secret. GA didn't return until years later (early 2009, about 8 or 9 months before the show ended) when Jill Lorie Hurst talked to him and convinced him to do it - I think at that point, everyone knew that was the last chance and either it would fly or die, so if he wanted to be part of the ending he needed to come back. And I'm glad he did - it may have looked terrible but at least I recognized the people on screen in those last weeks and months.

All hail the pendulousness!

Michael Park on Broadway

Are chorus boys lining up for Hot Daddy Park?

Does Mikey Park still hook up with men?

[quote]2004 was when GL got into serious financial straits. John Conboy in particular had spent money that wasn't there to spend.

No telling how much John Conboy paid to get Bradley Cole back on the show. Cole was up for the role of Nick Marone on B&B. So, Conway must have forked over some big money to Cole to compete with the B&B money.

As we all know, Jeffrey O'Neil was not money well spent, no matter how hard the show tried to make him into GL's superhero.

Of course, Cole likely was giving Conboy daily blow jobs to convince him to push aside everyone else to make this brand new Jeffrey O'Neil character the center of the show and someone all the women in Springfield threw themselves at.

R529 yes to everything except it was likely Conboy slobbering on Cole's dick. Conboy was already a hundred years old by then. And I think half the time he was overseeing the show from his Palm Springs lanai.

[quote]And I think half the time he was overseeing the show from his Palm Springs lanai.

There ain't nothing wrong with a lanai.

I unfollowed Martha MAGA Byrne. Is she still whining about her felon husband?

R532 Yup. She probably thinks Trump will free/pardon him.

And yet, it was Trump's MAGA Department of Justice that first charged Byrne's husband with the crimes in the first place (August 2020). LOL!

Trump Rethug appointees Christopher Wray (FBI) and John Demers (National Security) held the press conferences ballyhooing the arrests. The latter even stayed in the Biden Admin overseeing the case right up within a month or two of readying it for court (mid-2021).

I 'politely' mentioned that fact to her in one of her posts, and she played 'dumb.' asking me if I was talking about her husband's case? .. Well, yeah, that was the subject of her damn post. She simply did the MAGA thing and sputtered something about, "Just wait!. The truth will come out!"

Poor Martha. Poor, poor Martha.

Fuck Martha. Fuck, fuck that MAGA bitch.

Thanks, R525.

I hate to admit I almost miss the "Eileen Fulton clogs toilet" comments.

I prefer the “Helen Wagner was a vinegary old bitch” comments

[quote]Only other interesting thing she mentioned was that in 1998, she was up for the role of Josie Watts on AW when Amy Carlson left.

Does anyone know why Alexandra Wilson left the role of Josie? I really liked her.

[quote] I prefer the “Helen Wagner was a vinegary old bitch” comments

I bet she smelled like old lady perfume and mothballs.

Jean Passanante confirmed that Goutman told her to stop writing for Eileen. He said let her sit at home and plug up her own toilet. I’m sick of paying the plumber to unplug the studio toilets.

A great behind the scenes tidbit on ATWT

This probably in the late 90's-

The final line of a Christmas show script was one of the little ones saying-

Every time a bell rings, Lisa gets the shits and an angel gets its wings!

I love the end of this episode of ATWT from 1987, when the cast sings “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas.” The cast’s facial expressions reveal a lot about themselves, I think.

And of course, the vinegary old cunt is cauterwauling when the camera is on her, overshadowing singers with real talent like Kathy Hays.

Elizabeth Hubbard, as usual, is going for it.

In contrast, Larry Bryggman looks like he’s getting a root canal without anesthesia.

Larry was never happy about anything. He was a complainer. The male Helen Wagner if you will.

Bill Shanks was so fucking hot. He disappeared into thin air after ATWT.....wtf?

R548 It's said at IMDb that he eventually began working as a private detective in Los Angeles; if that's the case, then it's not uncommon for people in that line of work to stay off social media and make moves to have public directory type information removed from internet sites.

ugh

I absolutely hated ATWT. But enjoyed most of the other PG soaps.

Another World was the worst P&G soap. I always wanted to kick Ada in the cunt and rip that dish towel off her shoulder. Ada was such a bull dyke.

I don't like this atall.

Wentworth Detention Centre’s Governess Erica Davidson also used atall — think it was a nod to the third Victoria?

Those damn Snyders and their damned Hubbard squash!

I love that 1/2 the people in that photo clearly think this is a stupid reason to do a photo shoot for Soap Opera Digest.

Is that gay Luke as a child, in that photo?

I think it’s Aaron r568. He was born in 1991 and that picture is from 1993/94. Probably 1994, since Lisa Brown isn’t there and Iva was written off that year.

Yes I agree, that's Aaron, played in the future by Agim Kaba.

That's also Jason Biggs in that photo. Who is looking kinda hot these days, but was a skinny little twink at the time of his ATWT run. They should have brought his character of Pete Wendall back in those later years.

Pete Wendell was such a great character. Jason Biggs made a huge impression.

A nice article about various soap traditions, covering a few of our Marvelous Midwestern towns.

Forget the Hubbard Squash, I just ate Noah's big Butternut out in the barn.

Oh, how I miss Aunt Liz, r561.

As for Mac's speech, would he able to be so optimistic this Thanksgiving?

Liz had a grandson, Ricky, that was around Jamie and Dennis’ age. They should have brought him on the show. It would have been to watch him date someone she didn’t approve of.

I feel like Aunt Liz would be Bay City's doomer this holiday season. And Iva over in Oakdale?

R564 they could have brought back Wally Curtin as Ricky's lover, too.

That damn Iva Snyder is such a drag!

Distracting my Pussycat!

There are some great scenes in the episode where Lily finds out who her birth parents are with Lucinda being kind and empathetic to Iva. I had forgotten about them, only really remembering the pitchfork.

R568 Yes, the wonderful scene after where it's John, Lucinda and Iva.....loved that little scene. So powerful.

Lady Eyes a Buggin' AND The Queen of Vinegary Cunts!

I wonder what vinegary Helen thought of that old whore Jeanne Cooper.

Helen Wagner sucked a hard candy when watching Jeanne Cooper.

Helen asked to be seated as far away from Wilma Jeanne as possible.

Helen knew Wilma Jeanne stank of booze and strange men.

There's a discussion on the GH thread about how Holly Gagnier (one of the Cassies on OLTL) is an acting coach on the GH set.

It reminded me that both Lisa Brown and Larkin Malloy did that for P&G shows....I believe Larkin was at ATWT and I'm not super sure if Lisa was there as a teacher (we know she played Iva) but she did some coaching work at GL in the early 2000s.

New thread for when this one is done.....eh, may have been a little premature but whatever.

So Lisa Brown and that queer Larkin are going to teach me how to act? They’ve never won Emmys. I know how to act.

Did vinegary Helen mutter “queer” under her breath when Queen Van was sashaying around the studio?

R578 She didn't mind the gays too much, she'd worked with men Like That her whole career and I'm sure she ran into them at the library where she volunteered, too.

She was much more judgmental about hussies that slept around. As vinegary cunts tend to be.

I asked this on the Pine Valley-Llanview thread, but when exactly was Larkin Malloy's mental health episode? Was it in 1992? I'm curious about the circumstances that brought Dennis Parlato on as a fill-in, which ended up being a contract gig.

A fill-in, then the permanent role of Clay on LOVING, I mean.

I've heard rumors of that, R581, but not sure what it was.

I think someone said he had to be hospitalized somewhere overseas.

Larkin went koo koo.

R582, I think he was in Italy, but I don’t remember the timeline.

R584 I think you're correct.

I think the timeline was actually after his AMC stint. If I remember correctly he was hired by AMC not too long after GL let him go.

As I recall, his AMC stint was over and he had gone to Loving as a consolation prize. He either was taking an extended vacation from Loving or had been let go from Loving when the balcony incident happened. His last appearances on Loving were in November 1992. I think the balcony incident was just a few weeks or months later

The 2x dui Colleen Zenk Pinter is on The Locher Room with Ray Wise next week. Wed at 3 pm. Hopefully she’s sober.

Thom Christopher has died - best known for OLTL of course, but he had a run on GL as one of Edmund or Richard's henchmen, the name of his character escapes me.

Zenk's Aunt Jordan ain't working. They barely use her, a snippet here and there and this sl has no legs. It was mildly interesting when we thought Sharon 'did it' - what a stupid cheat. Now Jordan is spying on insipid Claire at Crimson Lights. Oh the drama!!

R589- NO!!!!! Never a kinder man in real life from what I had heard--- I love TC!

Everyone loved TC

A reminder that the new, Christmas themed thread is here

[quote] How far is it from Oakdale to Chicago?

Click your heels three times and say, "there's no place like home...."

Ah, yes

it's time

to say

BUH

BYE

NOW!!!