How did a baroness land in a little place like Springfield?
They sure have some pendulous men there.......
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How did a baroness land in a little place like Springfield?
They sure have some pendulous men there.......
by Anonymous | reply 468 | May 25, 2024 1:20 AM |
I was certainly surprised when she showed in up Springfield rather than Bay City.
Wondered what Bay City folks had done to piss her off so much she opted for Springfield as her new home base.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | January 30, 2024 10:56 PM |
Didn’t she hate the long hours and commute to Brooklyn when she was on AW? Maybe she had better hours and was closer to home on GL, since her husband was dying when she joined the show.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | January 30, 2024 11:17 PM |
Based on the very fun interview she gave Brian Linehan on Canada's "City Lights" show, when she left Texas she was not intending to come back to daytime.
Two things probably changed that path - a lack of acting parts for her, and her husband's health. It was about 2 years later when she took on the role of Alex.
I don't know that she truly hated anything about AW, but Rauch wasn't there by then, nor was Lemay, and at the time, I think the feeling was that the Rachel/Iris story had played out.
I truly love what Carmen Duncan did, but it would have been something to revisit Beverlee vs Lady Eyes A Buggin' in the 90s.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | January 31, 2024 12:38 AM |
She could have gone to Oakdale rather than Springfield.
Lucinda debuted in April 1984 after Alex made her first appearance in February 1984.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | January 31, 2024 12:48 AM |
How long were Alex and Alan on together early in her run?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | January 31, 2024 12:56 AM |
Bev debuted in Feb 1984 and Chris Bernau was gone by the end of April 1984.
It was Chris announcing he was not going to renew his contract that prompted them to create Alexandra
by Anonymous | reply 7 | January 31, 2024 12:58 AM |
R6 Chris Bernau left several months after Beverlee arrived (I see R7 popped up to answer, thank you), but he returned mid-1986 and was on until mid-1988, at which point Daniel Pilon (ugh) took over.
They were certainly magic together. Really, really wonderful chemistry.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | January 31, 2024 12:59 AM |
I think Long and Kobe probably had a lot to do with getting Beverlee to GL.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | January 31, 2024 8:27 AM |
I read that Slee's daughter recently passed at 42. I know she takes a lot of ribbing, but that is just devastatingly sad. I've seen no further updates as to why she died.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | January 31, 2024 1:46 PM |
R10 There's been further discussion of her death in the thread below.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | January 31, 2024 2:00 PM |
[quote]I think Long and Kobe probably had a lot to do with getting Beverlee to GL.
They'd all worked together at Texas, so it was an easy sell.
In fact, Pam likely would not have been hired to act on Texas if not for Beverlee.
Pam told this story somewhere (I don't remember where). She did her screen test in early 1981 opposite Beverlee. They did the scene, then Beverlee took Pam aside and suggested several things for Pam to do differently.
Bev then turned to the casting director and said something like, "We're going to do it again."
You rarely get second takes in a screen test, but how are you going to say no to Bev? They did it again with Pam's performance improving drastically. And obviously they then cast her as Ashley Lindon.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | January 31, 2024 10:33 PM |
Daytime Emmys have axed the Younger Performer category.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | February 1, 2024 6:39 PM |
A thread about current soaps and the future of daytime was recently started.....we're all about the old classic P&G soaps here but this new thread may be better suited for current soap discussions!
by Anonymous | reply 14 | February 1, 2024 7:03 PM |
Liz, thanks for sharing that at R12! I never knew that about Pam and Beverlee.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | February 1, 2024 7:04 PM |
Everyone's favorite fountain jumper, Kim Zimmer, turns 69 today.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | February 2, 2024 2:59 PM |
If she tried to jump in a fountain now she’d create a tsunami that would wipe out Peapack
by Anonymous | reply 17 | February 2, 2024 3:06 PM |
I miss the old P&G jingle at the end of episodes.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | February 2, 2024 3:08 PM |
My mom once said that the original Rachel on AW (Robin Strasser) was terrible. Having seen her on shows like “Murphy Brown” and “Coach,” I never thought she was great.
But she certainly was prettier than Wyndham.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | February 2, 2024 3:10 PM |
Thank god she didn’t, r5. Liz Hubbard was perfection as Lucinda.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | February 2, 2024 4:12 PM |
Hubbard and McKinsey weren't interchangable, either.
McKinsey had the ice cold bitch down, but with a lost, wounded little girl underneath.
Hubbard had more of a steely, New England hardiness about her - even in her vulnerable moments, you knew she was still in charge.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | February 2, 2024 4:21 PM |
r21 Hubbard and McKinsey each had their strengths. I agree, they are not interchangeable.
But La Bev had been cast as Lucinda instead of Alex, ATWT would have altered Lucinda's backstory to accommodate her strengths. Ditto ifLa Hubbard had been cast as Alex.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | February 2, 2024 8:22 PM |
If La Hubbard had been cast as Alex, I would have stuck with La Light until the end. I gave it up in the early '90s because I found the endless business bullshit unbearable.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | February 2, 2024 8:33 PM |
I can’t see Lucinda being as horny if Bev had played her. Marland had Lucinda getting fucked all the time-by Craig., James, John, the pilot that took her to Montega to find Sierra, Cal, Scott Eldridge…
And Liz played her scenes with Jon Hensley in the early days like Lucinda wanted hate sex with Holden.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | February 2, 2024 9:29 PM |
R24 Yes, exactly!
Bev's stock in trade was the quasi-incestuous obsessiveness she had with first "Daddy" on AW, and then Lujack/Nick on GL.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | February 3, 2024 1:32 AM |
I saw Tom Lisanti's FB account on a soap thread today....he wrote the Ryan's Hope book.
I mention this because I clicked on his FB account to check out his posts, and in one of his recent posts, he revealed he is writing another soap book....this time, about Texas.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | February 4, 2024 11:38 PM |
R26, thanks for sharing — that’s great news!
Lisanti’s Ryan’s Hope book was so much fun.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | February 5, 2024 12:03 AM |
LOL the Ryan's Hope book had way too many peripheral characters. Richard Backus I can say, I've heard enough from. What's next a book on For Richer, For Poorer?
by Anonymous | reply 28 | February 5, 2024 12:44 AM |
[quote] he revealed he is writing another soap book....this time, about Texas.
YEAH!! Texas was one of my all time favorites. First year was very uneven at best. But once Gail Kobe became EP, she got everything in order. It's the 18 months that Kobe did as EP that stands out in my mind as outstanding,
Look forward to buying his Texas book.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | February 5, 2024 2:33 AM |
I’d love a book on Capitol — not to mention the P&G shows.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | February 6, 2024 1:11 AM |
[quote] Richard Backus I can say, I've heard enough from.
That could have been much worse, though - you could have been stuck looking at pictures of his horrible Little Dutch Boy Ted Bancroft hair.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | February 6, 2024 1:42 AM |
A book where the actors/writers talk about ATWT or GL would be divine.
Will be interesting to see if the Texas book materializes. A part of it will be about Bev, of course. And there was supposedly a professor writing a book about McKinsey, too.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | February 6, 2024 4:08 AM |
The audience for soap books like this would be limited and growing smaller each day. But I certainly would be buying such books and eagerly devouring them.
I certainly hope the Texas book comes off. There are enough cast members still alive to give us a good perspective on the show.
However, it anyone wants to do an Edge of Night book, the number of cast members still alive is much smaller. I mean Forrest Compton and Ann Flood both died in the past few years. Meanwhile, Larkin Malloy, Lois Kibbee, Joel Crothers, Dennis Parker, Donald May and others are also dearly departed.
If anyone ever wants to do a book like this on Edge, they should move ahead with those plans pronto.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | February 6, 2024 9:35 PM |
Edge had a devoted fan, who used to organize reunions. His name as Julius Burnett, a kind and sweet man, who'd never hurt a fly.
He did write a book on Rhoda and I believe he was working on an EDGE book.
Tragically, he was murdered after meeting some thug on Craigslist who was so easily caught after the murder. He only got 25 years.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | February 6, 2024 10:22 PM |
As the World Turns fans-was anybody here watching when Lucinda was first introduced in April of 1984? What was her entrance like? What were her early storylines? I really only know of her character from when Marland started writing. I know Marland inherited the story of her being Sierra’s mother but she had other stories, didn’t she?
by Anonymous | reply 35 | February 7, 2024 2:40 AM |
From what I understand she came to Oakdale for a heart operation, performed by John. She also blamed Lisa’s husband Whit McColl for the suicide of Lucinda’s husband Martin Guest-she wrested control of the City Times from Whit and beginning Lucinda’s feud with Lisa.
Lucinda also aggressively pursued the married John Dixon, whose wife, Karen, just threw in the towel and left town.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | February 7, 2024 6:24 AM |
R36 I remember reading all that but at the time I was watching I had no idea Lucinda and John had a past.....when John and Emma were together and then, boom, Lucinda and John got married.....that was a surprise. To me, anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | February 7, 2024 2:24 PM |
I'm not going to listen to this (I suspect it will be MAGA fuckery) but sharing for those who may be interested.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | February 12, 2024 5:49 PM |
The Locher Room is having a tribute to Ellen Holly on Feb. 22 - and will feature other black performers like Jonelle Allen and Mariann Aalda in the tribute.
And I see you, poster on the Locher Room FB page, who referred to Erika Slezak as her DL alias "Viki Sleestak." I guess we're everywhere......
by Anonymous | reply 39 | February 15, 2024 5:06 PM |
Zimmer is in the new Ewan MacGregor movie, as is her son Jake Weary. Seems very indie.....
by Anonymous | reply 40 | February 17, 2024 4:06 AM |
R40, is that movie Zimmer and Weary talk about in a recent Locher Room?
by Anonymous | reply 41 | February 17, 2024 4:19 AM |
R36, if I remember correctly, Lucinda had a cardiac event on a plane and either John was always on or the plane landed in Oakdale and John saved her.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | February 17, 2024 4:21 AM |
R41 yes, and I think the film is actually called BLEEDING LOVE now, unlike what that review said.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | February 17, 2024 1:58 PM |
This would have been a fun lunch.
Charita telling dirty jokes.
Mary bitching about everything. "waiter, my soup is cold and Ann Marcus is a twat!"
Eileen telling some rambling story.
Ann, Lydia, and Audrey trying to keep it classy.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | February 17, 2024 2:30 PM |
R44 surprised Helen Wagner couldn't make that luncheon as this seemed to be matriarchal, and Eileen was still the diva/heroine.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | February 17, 2024 5:43 PM |
I would NEVER attend such a gathering.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | February 17, 2024 6:05 PM |
Here's the BLEEDING LOVE trailer. Kim's in it. "Somebody order a stripper?"
by Anonymous | reply 47 | February 17, 2024 6:26 PM |
Matriarchal? Matriarchal?!?!!?
by Anonymous | reply 48 | February 17, 2024 6:35 PM |
R47 I’d see it just for Kim. I hope she has more than one line, but she delivered that perfectly.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | February 17, 2024 6:41 PM |
It looks interesting. Reviews are mixed, but it's a first time film for just about everyone involved.
Reviews mentioned Ewan and his daughter, of course, but didn't mention the connection between Kim and Jake, as well as Vera Bulder - Jake's wife and one of the writers and/or producers - she appears in the film briefly as well (she might be the stripper?)
by Anonymous | reply 50 | February 17, 2024 6:47 PM |
R50, in this interview, Jake seems to say that he and his mom didn't have any scenes together, which contradicts the above article, so who knows.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | February 17, 2024 8:11 PM |
Kim looks so butch!
by Anonymous | reply 53 | February 17, 2024 8:20 PM |
I haven’t posted this on any of the Capote vs the Swans threads but I think Maura West would have been great casting as CZ Guest and not that piece of trash Chloe Sevigny. Both ABC and FX/Hulu’s parent company is Disney so I could see them working it out for her to do it. She’s a shade younger than the other women but I think she could have done a really good job, Maybe Ryan Murphy’s a snob about actors on daytime soaps, though.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | February 18, 2024 2:04 AM |
R54, he is not, actually.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | February 18, 2024 10:42 PM |
R55 is right.
Ryan Murphy's bias, if any, is that he wants the younger actors to splash cum all over his ugly mug.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | February 19, 2024 1:51 AM |
Coming to the Locher Room next week.
Jamie Frame is WORKING it, hunty.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | February 21, 2024 6:02 PM |
YEAH, we're finally getting some of the Jamie Frames for interviews. I'll certainly be watching Russell.
And Larry Lau was in the Locher Room last week. But Alan barely asked anything about his AW time as Jamie. It was mostly about Greg and Jenny on AMC. And rightly so.
Fingers crossed he can get Richard Bekins!!
And Stephen Yates for that matter, although he was the least impresive of the adult Jamies, in my opinion.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | February 21, 2024 6:41 PM |
I loved Stephen Yates on GL. Apparently he and Michael Zaslow were great friends. I would love to see him interviewed.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | February 21, 2024 6:59 PM |
Laurence Lau was a terrible Jamie. He turned him into a sexless, nagging scold and it got worse as he gained weight. Going from Bekins and Yates to Lau is akin to the change from Gregg Marx as Tom Hughes to Scott Holmes.
I couldn’t picture Anne Heche’s Vicky with Lau. Even though Russell Todd is a big queen, he had more chemistry with Heche.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | February 21, 2024 7:07 PM |
Russell looks great
by Anonymous | reply 61 | February 21, 2024 7:41 PM |
If only Alan could get Lady Eyes A Buggin herself for a Locher Room chat. That - and Mary Kay Adams - would just do it for me.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | February 21, 2024 9:02 PM |
Would be great if Victoria Wyndham would grace us in the Locher Room.
However, Alan knows nothing about Another World and never bothers to prep for interviews.
So, he would be, "What was it like to work with Agnes Nixon?" or "What did you think when George Reinholt joined the cast and they put you in a triangle with him and Courtney Jacqueline?"
by Anonymous | reply 63 | February 21, 2024 9:29 PM |
We'd have to be sure to send him questions and/or suggest a cohost
by Anonymous | reply 64 | February 21, 2024 9:31 PM |
I think Lau was the first Jamie on AW to play him in his new written in profession as a doctor. I always thought that was such a stupid decision. After Douglas Watson died Jamie should have been installed as the next head honcho at Cory Publishing, And his first order of business would be to axe Brava.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | February 22, 2024 3:09 AM |
Should have brought back Sandy and had a battle for control of Cory Enterprises between Sandy and Iris. Then they could had Mac leave a portion of Cory to Jamie as well, adding him to the battle.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | February 22, 2024 3:14 AM |
I miss Corrine Seton. Pamela Brook had extensive theat-uh training, and an artistic charisma that enchanted the audience.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | February 22, 2024 4:16 AM |
Oh, wow, R67, I remember her. An icy blonde, sort of a pretty version of Sandy Dennis.
Do you also remember Felice at the Cory Complex played by Laura Esterman?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | February 22, 2024 6:45 PM |
Glad no one is mentioning that murderous hussy Blaine.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | February 22, 2024 6:55 PM |
You bitches are slipping.
Today marks the anniversary of the return of ORD, after a two year absence.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | February 24, 2024 1:47 AM |
Speaking of the real Donna Love, I remember when Stuart left. Reginald had been driving her crazy, showed her a photo that caused her to break down, and she was wheeled away on a stretcher. She took three throw pillows and says each one was “ my baby” so there was all this speciation that she’d had three kids and not just the twins and the speculation was that a third child was Scott, played by Hank Cheyne. But they never mentioned three kids when Sampler took over. I guess they just dropped it.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | February 24, 2024 2:09 AM |
That three babies storyline had so much potential. And the Scott LaSalle character certainly was hanging there without any firm connection to the show other than being adopted by Reginald and Marissa. Why not make Scott, Marley and Vcitoria triplets?
But they dropped that storyline in favor of Donna being afraid of John Hudson?!?!?!
by Anonymous | reply 72 | February 24, 2024 2:59 AM |
I hated the return of Mary McKinnon storyline. It felt like they signed Denise Alexander to a contract and just shoehorned her into the show.
Mary was a psychologist and didn’t notice that a.) she had symptoms of amnesia and b.) her husband (Reginald) was a psychopath ? It was odd.
They could have created a different role for her, or changed the backstory and just made her Reginald’s wife, or had her play an old character, or something.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | February 24, 2024 3:14 AM |
R70 Thank you! I looked fabulous, didn't I?
by Anonymous | reply 74 | February 24, 2024 3:32 AM |
She could have been a recasted Barbara Weaver!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | February 24, 2024 3:38 AM |
*recast
by Anonymous | reply 76 | February 24, 2024 3:41 AM |
A lot of us wanted Denise to play Susan Matthews Shearer, and go at it with Irene Dailey's Liz. The shpw needed the Matthews back.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | February 24, 2024 11:45 AM |
I came across this photo montage on Twitter, and totally zeroed in on Derek Dane. Did they ever explain what they were going for with this character? Was he part of Harding Lemay's 88 bible or was he a Donna Swajeski creation. This was a great era for the show, but was he on just to look pretty?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | February 24, 2024 2:24 PM |
I seem to remember Derek's arrival being promoted as a "Beauty and the Beast" kind of story.
Which had been tried at GL a few years earlier with Cain, the man who found Reva after she tried to off herself....he was supposed to be a Phantom/"beast" kind of man but after a few writers-go-rounds at GL they just made him a garden variety creepo.
But Derek was a more direct copy of the CBS Beauty and the Beast story, I think.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | February 24, 2024 2:50 PM |
The Cain story on GL had so much potential… in the end he did what, threw Claire off of the bridge? Was Cain and the crashed circus train related to the introduction of Dinah?
by Anonymous | reply 80 | February 24, 2024 3:37 PM |
R80 I don't remember, that part was a bit muddled to me. That was a bad era of GL with Infinity and the Sampson Girl....I started watching more closely when Alan came back and that terrible Ed from AMC went back to hell.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | February 24, 2024 3:38 PM |
Ladies, we missed this birthday earlier in the week.
On Feb. 26, John Bolger turned 70 years old.
Linked in a photo tribute to John from the Gr8erdays Instagram site. Lots of great photos of him but strangely, it only has a couple of his soap related photos.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | February 29, 2024 8:14 PM |
There were a lot of characters running around on AW in the mid-80s that then- head writer Maggie DePriest did nothing with. So then she created the Sin Stalker and killed a bunch of them off.
Who was Maisie Watkins anyway? Did she ever have a proper story?
by Anonymous | reply 83 | February 29, 2024 8:44 PM |
I bow to Grant's pendulousness, but John Bolger was great and so beautiful. I wish GL had brought him back at some point. If they could do it for dreadful Brad Cole they could have made John another character, too.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | February 29, 2024 8:51 PM |
John Bolger was our waiter at the restaurant Sign of the Dove the first time my husband ever brought me to visit NYC. I was so excited to see Phillip Spaulding that I could barely order dinner.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | February 29, 2024 8:57 PM |
Maisie was introduced as a waitress at the diner Alma Rudder worked at. She was kept around as a waitress for several years afterwards.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | February 29, 2024 8:58 PM |
[quote]John Bolger was our waiter at the restaurant Sign of the Dove the first time my husband ever brought me to visit NYC. I was so excited to see Phillip Spaulding that I could barely order dinner.
I would freak out to look up and see Phillip Spaulding taking my order!!
Was this while Bolger was playing Phillip or after?
by Anonymous | reply 87 | February 29, 2024 9:25 PM |
R85 you’re dating yourself …. ;)
by Anonymous | reply 88 | February 29, 2024 9:26 PM |
Maisie was a sweet character, and pretty Perry Hutchins took over the diner so there was a reason to stop in.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | February 29, 2024 10:50 PM |
R77 that would have worked.
I think Frons was over at NBC at this point; AW hired Taylor Miller (so wrong as Sally and she quit so they kill her off; stupid!) Denise as Mary; she could read the phone book and I'd watch.
Larry Lau as Jamie; I agree with above, miscast. There was one more ex-ABC person. I can't think of it. The show blew it by not reviving the Matthews clan. They closest they came to having them back was the 1989 25th anniversary reunion with Pat, Alice, Russ, Liz, and Olivia was introduced. I always got the impression her mother was Olivia Delaney (Tina Sloan). Did they ever explain who her mom was?
They should have kept Courtney after Watson died and found a man for Alice and Rachel to fight over; they had GOLD in their hands . Meanwhile, across town Kim and Susan are dredging up their long history. Brava! (no pun intended.)
by Anonymous | reply 91 | February 29, 2024 11:32 PM |
R91 are you thinking of Sharen Gabet? They brought her on around this time to play Catlin’s presumed dead wife Brittany.
As brilliant as she was as Edge’s Raven she was horribly miscast on AW.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | March 1, 2024 12:28 AM |
I would say all the ABC stars imported to AW in the mid 1980s were poorly cast
Taylor Miller -- Sally
Sharon Gabet -- Brtittany
Denise Alexander -- Marissa/Mary
Larry Lau -- Jamie
Chris Robinson -- Jason Frame
While I feel all of them were miscast, I would would say of those five, Chris Robinson was the best casting.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | March 1, 2024 12:38 AM |
AW trying to copy the ABC soaps by hiring all the actors failed miserably, as did a lot of the decisions of the last few years before AW ended.
AND YET.....they made almost exactly the same mistakes at ATWT in the last years of that show....with (unsurprisingly) the same results.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 1, 2024 2:34 AM |
True, R94. I’m looking at you, Marie Wilson. Could have been an OK Ellie, was an awful Meg.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 1, 2024 4:15 AM |
R95 Never thought of that but you're right, she might have made a decent Ellie.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 1, 2024 4:16 AM |
Robin Mattson as Gina on Santa Barbara was the most successful of the ABC actors that NBC lured over in the mid 80s.
The next most successful would likely be Jane Elliot as Angelica Deveroux on Days, but Jane only stuck around for two years, with another ABC actress -- Judith Chapman -- then taking over the role.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 1, 2024 7:42 AM |
Jane Elliot was also great on GL as Carrie Todd
by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 2, 2024 4:31 PM |
I always love seeing clips like R98 from the year that GL won the Emmy and Marland (and or Potter) made sure that damn Emmy was mentioned in the opening and closing of the show! So petty. I love it!
by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 2, 2024 5:34 PM |
The best Alan is Alan in tennis shorts—he looked great with a tan.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | March 2, 2024 5:56 PM |
I would say Marcy Walker was the best ABC actor lured to NBC.
The problem with these ABC actors brought to DAYS and Another World was they were hired without a storyline or character in mind.
Denise Alexander and Chris Robinson should have been paired together. If they were going to push forward with having Denise portray Mary McKinnon, they should have had Chris play Vince McKinnon. Personally I would have preferred Chris as Willis Frame, and Denise playing some other role.
Even though Laurence Lau and Richard Bekins are the same age, Laurence seemed younger, because of the Greg and Jenny phenomena. He was miscast as Jamie. Jamie should have been Cass’ contemporary. And he never should have been turned into a doctor-he was always a writer or Cory Publishing executive.
Taylor Miller and Sharon Gabet were shoved into the popular Catlin/Sally storyline after Mary Page Keller left. The show should have persuaded Keller to stay , so Catlin and Sally could leave together. Griffith and Miller didn’t have chemistry.
Gabet’s character (Brittany) was a mess-the show couldn’t decide what to do with her. Unfortunately Brittany’s arrival led to the death of legacy character Sally, and permanently damaged the character of Peter Love. Why didn’t they just recast Sally with Gabet?
by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 2, 2024 6:16 PM |
I wasn't an everyday viewer of AW but I remember they really fucked up Sharon's role at AW. She's a deaf woman! She's not! It was exactly what happened with Marcy Walker and Tangie Hill at GL years later....they locked down the actor without having a definite story for them.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 2, 2024 6:25 PM |
I watched AW for a year before moving to ATWT And that Peter Love/ Brittany story went on and on and on. Finally she shot him and left town. They actually signed people up to play a “real” jury for the Brittany trial. She was found guilty. But the writers got her out on appeal and Gabet ran the hell away from those studios in about one episode.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 2, 2024 7:02 PM |
All these years later Griffith and Keller are still married. Good for them.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | March 2, 2024 8:19 PM |
Good for them. Guess Griffith wasn't passing around his sizemeat as a party favor like Mark Pinter......
by Anonymous | reply 105 | March 2, 2024 9:03 PM |
[quote]I would say Marcy Walker was the best ABC actor lured to NBC.
My understanding is Marcy auditioned to play Eden on Santa Barbara. NBC didn't do anything to lure her or recruit her, as far as I know.
Her AMC contract was up and they were casting the new show, so she auditioned for the part. But the AMC contract didn't expire until late August/early September 1984, which is why Eden didn't make her first appearance on Santa Barbara until the late September 1984, two months after the show debuted.
I'm sure the fact Marcy had made a name for herself on AMC and received two Daytime Emmy nods at AMC factored into the decision to cast her. But she auditioned for the part and won it.
When we talk about the name actors NBC lured/recruited to its soaps, we're talking about the period 1985-88 and actors who did not have to audition for a role.
I suspect the successful casting of Marcy as Eden is what gave Brian Frons the idea to cast name ABC actors to parts on the NBC show as a way of drawing fans of those actors to the NBC soaps.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | March 3, 2024 12:56 AM |
Technically, I don't think you can count Sharon Gabet as one of the ones NBC lured to its soaps.
Sharon has said in multiple interviews that she had several offers from other soaps after Edge of Night was canceled in Dec. 1984. She specifically has mentioned being offered the part of a countess involved in a Feb 1985 location shoot in Venice, paired opposite Bo Buchanan on OLTL. The character was supposed to come to Llanview after the location shoot, but whoever ended up with the part was miscast and they quickly dropped the character.
She has said repeatedly that she opted to go to Another World out of loyalty to P&G, which had treated her so well at Edge. She said it wasn't until years later that she learned that it was P&G's decision to cancel Edge. She'd assumed, like everyone else, that ABC had canceled Edge.
She said she trusted P&G to give her a good character to play on AW, one that played to her strengths, and quickly ended up regretting that. She said she knew pretty soon into her AW run that she had made the wrong choice.
Sharon discusses some of this in one of her Locher Room sessions.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | March 3, 2024 1:11 AM |
Gabet should have played Pamela Davis, Rachel’s half-sister. Taylor Miller would have made a good Cecile.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | March 4, 2024 2:51 AM |
[quote]Gabet should have played Pamela Davis, Rachel’s half-sister.
Excellent idea. That would have given her a stronger connection to Bay City. Would have loved to see Rachel go up again Gabet. Those could have been some good scenes.
Yet, if necessary, Gabet's character still could have been a foil in the Sally-Catlin romance which was following the supercouple formula that Days had developed -- establish a couple and have the entire town supporting their romance, then bring back a presumed dead spouse/lover to throw a wrench into the couple's happiness.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | March 4, 2024 6:06 PM |
Hah, R109, I forgot to add that I could totally see Pamela, a snob, slumming it with Catlin in the barn.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | March 4, 2024 9:24 PM |
Pammy Davis was raised on a riverboat if I'm remembering my Somerset correctly. Alice Hirson played her mother. I think she may have been dating Tony Cooper behind Jill Grant's back. Jill was the 'Alice Matthews' of the show, and Pammy was probably being groomed to be Rachel 2.0. Pamela Toll who played Pammy, didn't last long.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | March 4, 2024 11:29 PM |
Sharon Gabet would have excelled at playing that role.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | March 4, 2024 11:38 PM |
Ok hear me out-what about Denise Alexander as Iris?
She did get good reviews and was Emmy nominated as Lesley Webber, and she is around the same age as Beverlee McKinsey. Of course she didn’t have blond hair, but Beverlee didn’t have an Australian accent. Also it may have been interesting watching her as a troublemaker.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | March 5, 2024 12:06 AM |
I don't know that Denise could have ever convincingly played a jet setter like Iris. Nothing against her fine performances but she was much more salt of the earth.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | March 5, 2024 12:38 AM |
How about Denise playing Liz's daughter Susan Shearer.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | March 5, 2024 1:29 AM |
Rachel needed a nemesis on the canvas.
She hadn't had a nemesis since Iris left town to go to Texas. None of the non-Jacqueline Courtney Alice's were ever truly a nemesis for Rachel.
So, bringing Sharon Gabet to town as Rachel's half-sister Pammy would have been brilliant.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | March 5, 2024 1:32 AM |
Can anyone confirm that Ewan MacGregor said he cast Zimmer because he was a fan of GL? Or pushed for her casting bc he was a fan after her son was cast and he found out that was her son.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | March 5, 2024 1:51 AM |
Lady Eyes a Buggin would scare even the fiercest competitor
by Anonymous | reply 118 | March 5, 2024 2:09 AM |
Oooh imagine if Pammy seduced or tried to seduce Mac by making him think Rachel was back with Mitch. And then Rachel caught Mac and Pammy in bed.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | March 5, 2024 2:25 AM |
I always thought that Justine should have been Pammy. It would have been a better story. But we could do a whole multi-part thread on missed soap opportunities.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | March 5, 2024 12:46 PM |
I wonder if there's truth to the "if another writer created the character you have to pay them for it" stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | March 5, 2024 2:01 PM |
Anybody going to the AW luncheon on May 4th in Tarrytown, NY? Will Lady Eyes a Buggin’ deign to attend?
by Anonymous | reply 122 | March 6, 2024 12:47 AM |
No, but Russell Todd is planning to be there. He discussed it during his Locher Room appearance, mentioning he is looking forward to meeting Larry Lau there.
He didn't spend much time talking about his time on AW, but did mention how talented Anne Heche was.
He indicated his best friend on the show was Carmen Duncan, indicating they remained close friends long after leaving the show. He also kept in touch with John Aprea.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | March 6, 2024 12:54 AM |
Russell didn't come out during this Locher Room session, but he did credit several gay men with helping get his career going.
He mentioned producer Allan Carr gave him in a major role in 1984's Where the Boys Are.
He got his start on soaps thanks to John Conboy, who cast him as the substitute Jordy Clegg for about 6 months when actor Todd Curtis was recovering from an auto accident.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | March 6, 2024 12:59 AM |
[quote] Russell didn't come out during this Locher Room session
He's come out elsewhere. He was never in!
by Anonymous | reply 125 | March 6, 2024 1:24 PM |
P&G is apparently getting back into the soap opera business.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | March 6, 2024 8:37 PM |
OMG. I literally never thought that would ever happen again.
It's a good idea, for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | March 6, 2024 8:44 PM |
[quote] Russell didn't come out during this Locher Room session
Like R125 says, Russell Todd is already out. He and his boyfriend, Dan Lauten, have been big supporters of both "Outfest" and Project Angel Food in L.A. I know Russell was even on the Board of Directors for Outfest at one point, where he had the opportunity to address the audience. And when the duo is in support-donor mode, they're always listed as a couple, "Russell Todd & Dan Lauten."
You can see them at home (pic below) when they hosted a Holiday fundraiser for Project Angel Food a few years ago. That's Russell in the background with his arm around Dan.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | March 6, 2024 9:15 PM |
If P&G is going to get into the business of creating a new soap, maybe it will in turn start valuing the vast soap archive it already has.
Fingers crossed.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | March 6, 2024 9:22 PM |
Michele Val Jean
That probably means LaGiddens will get a job.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | March 6, 2024 9:33 PM |
I used to joke here about La Giddens but that bitch got a J-O-B and followed through on her dreams. I mean, props to her!
by Anonymous | reply 131 | March 6, 2024 9:34 PM |
R131 I don't have an issue with LaGiddens' pursuing and following through on her dream, I just don't care for her brand of content.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | March 6, 2024 10:01 PM |
R132 me neither. But good for her, I guess.
I wish someone more P&G minded with writing talent had made it to the inner circle.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | March 6, 2024 10:10 PM |
I wonder if this means CBS is finally going to cancel that gawd awful show, The Squawk?
by Anonymous | reply 134 | March 6, 2024 10:32 PM |
CBS studios doesn’t necessarily mean it will air on broadcast.
Could still wind up streaming or on bet.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | March 6, 2024 10:59 PM |
corn fed and gosh darn it
by Anonymous | reply 136 | March 6, 2024 11:11 PM |
Paramount+ likely won't be around by the time the new soap debuts, R135.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | March 6, 2024 11:13 PM |
[quote]CBS studios doesn’t necessarily mean it will air on broadcast.
“‘The Gates’ will be everything we love about daytime drama, from a new and fresh perspective,” said Sheila Ducksworth, president of the CBS Studios NAACP venture. “This series will salute an audience that has been traditionally underserved, with the potential to be a groundbreaking moment [bold]for broadcast television[/bold]."
by Anonymous | reply 138 | March 6, 2024 11:16 PM |
R129 Doubtful. .. "P&G Studios" (which has nothing to do with Ye Olde P&G Telenext) was created by the company a few years ago with a specific social agenda in mind. .. They're basically using it "to enable growth and value creation, for our brands with multicultural consumers by creating connections to culture through powerful and resonant storytelling." .. At times when discussing what the studio is up to, they use the catchphrase "Widen the Screen." You can see what their focus has been on by looking at their projects on IMDb. One interesting project was the short film on gay illustrator, J.D. Leyendecker, called "Coded."
by Anonymous | reply 139 | March 7, 2024 1:33 AM |
I hope The Gates’ first overseas location is Andorra where Chancellor India Von Halkein serenades the characters at a state dinner with “Them There Eyes.”
by Anonymous | reply 140 | March 9, 2024 3:08 AM |
[quote]I wish someone more P&G minded with writing talent had made it to the inner circle.
What does that comment even mean? P&G minded?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | March 9, 2024 3:19 AM |
Apparently just turned 74.
Gah, I would have, back in the day. Serious BDF (and voice).
by Anonymous | reply 142 | March 9, 2024 4:04 PM |
R140, is my favorite India Chancellor?
by Anonymous | reply 143 | March 9, 2024 8:31 PM |
Update to R130: "The Gates" may be spared LaGIddens. In the interview with Alan (He/Him) at The Locher Room, it was revealed Miss Jamey has returned to writing for Cartooni's campfest at Days.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | March 9, 2024 8:58 PM |
R143, no, just in my imagination, especially after watching the first episode of The Regime on HBO.
I worked at an actors agency for a bit in the late 1980s. Any casting breakdown for AW and GL piqued my interest. One of them was for Rachel’s half sister Pamela Davis. The character was never brought on but I remember NicoleLove #2 Lauri Landry showing up and thinking how right she would have been as Pamela. She looked more like Victoria Wyndham than Anna Stuart (or was it Philece Sampler by then?). Landry was let go after six months or so. I think it’s quite possible she’d been considered (or maybe even cast) for Pamela but maybe the writers or EP decided to not go forward with Rachel’s half sister and made her a Love, instead.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | March 10, 2024 2:17 AM |
[quote] or was it Philece Sampler by then?
Brand New Sexy Donna!
by Anonymous | reply 146 | March 10, 2024 3:57 AM |
Lauri Landry played Nicole Love from November 3, 1986 to March 23, 1987, according to the Another World Home page.
So, she was there for about two weeks at the end of Anna Stuart's run as Donna (on Nov. 21, 1986) and for six weeks at the start of Philece Sampler's run as Donna (on Feb. 4, 1987).
In my opinion, she was the best of the three people to play Nicole, a rather bland character. She had a spark that the other two didn't have.
But as I recall, Landry was also new to acting and came across as raw (which likely is what gave her that spark I didn't see in the other two). However, that rawness can prove difficult when it comes to producing a daily soap as the rawness can delay production.
From what I remember, she shot a few scenes during the morning, then had a long break before shooting her afternoon scenes. With that downtime, she went to her hairdresser and got her hair cut , going from shoulder length hair to ear length hair.
When she returned to the studio that afternoon, the production staff had a conniption fit because she still had scenes to shoot and suddenly had a different look. But it was still the same day in Bay City and they hadn't finished shooting Nicole's scenes.
I forget how they dealt with that on screen -- either a wig or some bit of dialog to explain the haircut -- but that was the last straw and she was fired soon after.
Never heard of the possibility of Landry playing Rachel's half sister Pammy. Landry likely would have been good in the role, but would have needed a coach to develop the character and a lot of training to be able to hold her own against Wyndham and Watson.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | March 11, 2024 6:25 AM |
[quote] Landry was also new to acting and came across as raw
Unfortunately, not everyone appreciates a diamond in the rough!
by Anonymous | reply 148 | March 11, 2024 1:22 PM |
This is a fun video by an actress who had a very brief tenure as a prosecutor on AW. I enjoyed her story about the make up person recommending a plastic surgeon to get her eyes done. He/she/they claimed that he did Goldie Hawn!/ eyes in addition to a lot of the ladies on AW.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | March 11, 2024 4:09 PM |
Van Hazzzzzzznissssssssss looks terrrrrrrrible.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | March 14, 2024 6:37 PM |
Van is 42 now.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | March 14, 2024 7:03 PM |
Did he go straight?
by Anonymous | reply 152 | March 14, 2024 7:39 PM |
R152 Hardly. The woman in the photo with Ms. Hansis is Constance Wu who was in that EastSiders gay web series with him several years ago. (She has a longterm male partner w/ two kids.)
by Anonymous | reply 153 | March 14, 2024 11:36 PM |
The Locher Room has released an AW shirt.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | March 15, 2024 11:18 PM |
On AW, did they ever explain why Michael Hudson’s real name was Garrison? And why Vicky, Donna, John and Marley all used the last name Hudson, not Garrison?
by Anonymous | reply 155 | March 17, 2024 8:13 PM |
R150, Van looks like Milton Waddums from OFFICE SPACE. Sad.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | March 17, 2024 8:46 PM |
R155 His father's surname was "Garrison," but the man died of alcoholism when Michael was young. And Michael resented his father's behavior so much that at some point he changed that name to his own middle name "Hudson." (And not sure but, since his mother went by "Clara Hudson," so one might assume that "Hudson" was originally her maiden name.)
by Anonymous | reply 157 | March 17, 2024 10:05 PM |
Robert Newman, Josh (GL) is now recurring on all Law &Orders. He even had a scene on Law & Order tonight with fellow GLer who played Doris for years. Tony Goldwyn was their scene partner.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | March 22, 2024 3:14 AM |
Newman is the new police commissioner.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | March 22, 2024 3:15 AM |
SoapCentral is apparently celebrating its 30th anniversary.
(I hadn't realized it was around for so long - then again, I didn't know any of the Internet existed pre AOL days.)
by Anonymous | reply 160 | March 23, 2024 11:58 PM |
Ron Harper has died. He's best remembered for one of the Planet of the Apes TV series and for playing Uncle Jack on Land of the Lost. But he also appeared on several soaps.
He played Taylor Halloway on AW in 1980. Taylor was father to Kit Halloway (Farrell), who married Joey Perinni. Taylor was also having an affair with his sister-in-law Miranda Bishop.
He played the back-from-the-dead Baxter McCandless on Capital in 1985-87. Baxter was married to Clarissa McCandless (Constance Towers) and father of all the handsome McCandless men.
He played patriarch Peter Whitmore on Generations in 1990.
Also had roles on Where the Heart Is, Love of Life and Loving.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | March 25, 2024 8:28 PM |
I seem to remember Harper popping up here and there on a bunch of shows.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | March 25, 2024 9:07 PM |
So was he let go from AW because his character was dull or was it because he had trouble learning his lines?
by Anonymous | reply 163 | March 25, 2024 9:45 PM |
Wasn't the Halloway family one of those Corrine Jacker inventions.....that came on and off the show quickly?
by Anonymous | reply 164 | March 25, 2024 10:26 PM |
The Holloways came on during Tom King’s headwriting stint at the beginning of 1980. The show was 90 minutes at the time. The Holloways and the characters created for Texas (like Reena and Kevin) came on the show as the Frames were being phased out. Pretty much the only successful storyline at this time was the Mitch/Rachel/‘Mac/Janice story.
Was Miranda a replacement for Iris?
The Holloways were gone by the beginning of 1982.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | March 25, 2024 10:40 PM |
[quote] Was Miranda a replacement for Iris?
That was the general understanding, yes. A few articles about Miranda billed her as such.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | March 25, 2024 10:53 PM |
The Halloway story started with nurse Kit who we eventually learned had been kidnapped, taken away and held for ranson, a la Patty Hearst. She changed her name from Kit Halloway to Kit Farrell, became a nurse and moved to Bay City to get away from the post kidnapping limelight and the paparazzi.
That kidnapping aftermath storyline had lots of potential, but it was dropped once Kit's family started showing up in town.
First was her aunt and confidant, Miranda Bishop showed up. Yes, she was more or less intended to be a new Iris. She even moved into Iris's house. And of course she tried to seduce Mac once he recovered from being poisoned by Janice.
Later, Kit's sister Amy and her brother Rick both came to town, followed by their father Taylor. In the space of 6 months from the introduction of Kit in November 1979, her entire family was in town.
Taylor was indeed a boring and killed off in less than 6 months. Amy was also boring and shipped off somewhere after just 8 months.
Miranda was shipped off after a year. She was a great character. Never understood why they didn't keep her around.
Only Halloways that lasted more than a year were Kit and Rick. Both of them lasted 2 years. Kit married Joey Perinni and Rick married Maryanne Randolph, the daughter of Pat Matthews Randloph.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | March 25, 2024 10:58 PM |
And to add to dear Liz's post.....
Miranda was played by Judith McConnell, future Sophia Capwell on SB.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | March 25, 2024 11:02 PM |
Remember when Mitch came back to town in 1986 and was shirtless in the barn? Espy had a great body.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | March 25, 2024 11:07 PM |
Years ago, there was an article in “Soap Opera Digest” that critiquing the contemporary AW (1987) and the author mentioned that there had been a family introduced and written out on the show in the space of three weeks.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | March 25, 2024 11:36 PM |
That wouldn't surprise me in the least. 1987 was the show's absolute worst year, followed closely by 1982.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | March 25, 2024 11:38 PM |
1987 was bad but I think 1986 was worse for AW—the show killed off legacy character Sally Frame and wrote out vets Liz, Clarice and Larry. Additionally, four of the best actors to appear on the show in the 80s left-Stephen Schnetzer; Anna Stuart; Ellen Wheeler; and Tom Eplin.
All of this led to a horrible 1987. The show didn’t get better until Lemay returned in 1988.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | March 26, 2024 12:12 AM |
R170 I think that was the Shea clan. Ed Power, Anita Gillette and maybe Chris Marcantel. Ed Power was so sexy as Spence on Love Is A Many Splendored Thing. I think he was a former Catholic priest in real life. The Sheas were boring as fuck, and seemed to be another McKinnon type failure. They just weren't on long enough to endure too many bad re-casts, etc.
Sad to hear about Ron Harper. He was married to Sally Stark from Love of Life for a time. Ron ended up on LOL, while Sally stayed in Hollywood. Poor Sally's tv career ended playing the lesbian best friend of Julie's on Days. Julie and the audience both rejected her. I can remember the scene where Susan Hayes screamed at her 'What are you trying to do to me???!!'
by Anonymous | reply 173 | March 26, 2024 1:50 AM |
The Shea clan were Corinne Jacker’s creations-she wanted to feature the blue collar element of Bay City. Until then the Perrinis were the token blue collar family and that was only comprised of Rose, Joey and Angie.
Kit was kidnapped by the Red Brigade in Italy. There was only a surface similarity to Patty Hearst’s story. She never became radicalized like Hearst or even suffered from Stockholm Syndrome.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | March 26, 2024 2:11 AM |
Yup, Marcantel was Pete Shea. This was a year before Loving and a year after he replaced Kevin Bacon on Guiding Light.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | March 26, 2024 2:15 AM |
[quote] Poor Sally's tv career ended playing the lesbian best friend of Julie's on Days. Julie and the audience both rejected her. I can remember the scene where Susan Hayes screamed at her 'What are you trying to do to me???!!'
Bill Bell loved that story so much he did it twice.
[quote] Marcantel was Pete Shea. This was a year before Loving and a year after he replaced Kevin Bacon on Guiding Light.
A makeup artist I know swears he slept with Marcantel, that he's super hairy and very well hung. It seemed like a very specific actor to make up a story about.....*shrug*
by Anonymous | reply 176 | March 26, 2024 2:18 AM |
[quote] The show didn’t get better until Lemay returned in 1988.
I feel so fortunate that that was the moment at which I discovered AW, and soaps in general. It was the Josie/Matthew story that drew me in, even though I would not discover until much later the Cory/Davis/Frame history.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | March 26, 2024 2:19 AM |
[quote]Kit was kidnapped by the Red Brigade in Italy. There was only a surface similarity to Patty Hearst’s story. She never became radicalized like Hearst or even suffered from Stockholm Syndrome.
That's because they dropped the storyline before it really got started. Once the Halloway clan came to town it wasn't mentioned again.
But when Kit was first being introduced, she phoned her Aunt Miranda several times with worries "they" might have found where she was. We never found out who "they" was but lots of potential there. But we never found out if she had been radicalized or suffered Stockholm Syndrome.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | March 26, 2024 5:18 AM |
Just need to vent. I was on the local train today on the Llanview —> Pine Valley route, and the train broke down for close to an hour! No heat, no lights, no flushable toilet. It’s getting to be too much. I don’t drive anymore, so I really have no alternatives other than to stay home like an invalid.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | March 26, 2024 5:35 AM |
Grown men who watch soaps are really nothing
by Anonymous | reply 180 | March 26, 2024 5:41 AM |
What an unpleasant smell.
***flushes R180***
by Anonymous | reply 181 | March 26, 2024 12:51 PM |
I watched AW briefly in the mid-80s (in the above mentioned crappy years of 1986-87) before decamping to Oakdale. My mother lamented how good the show used to be a decade earlier.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | March 26, 2024 4:41 PM |
Ok, since we’re talking about Bay City- in 1982, there was that story of Blaine being terrorized by Cecile and Alma. I caught snippets of it but my mom always forced us to play outside.
What was happening? What was this about a kitten? Why were they terrorizing her? How did Alma die?
I remember Blaine having a nightmare about a giant dolll.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | March 26, 2024 4:43 PM |
Anybody else find a kidnapped Cass Winthrop running around on a beach in a black Speedo really hot?
by Anonymous | reply 184 | March 26, 2024 4:44 PM |
That was the only fun storyline in 1986/87–Cecile kidnapping Cass and taking him to Tanquir.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | March 26, 2024 5:03 PM |
A large part of the reason 1987 was so bad was NBC was trying to make the show into a Days clone.
Margaret DePriest was the HW and they were working hard trying to write Days style stories for AW, including the Sin Stalker storyline. She's also the one who had Cass-lookalike Rex pretend to be Cass while the real Cass was held captive.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | March 26, 2024 6:30 PM |
Maggie DePrriest was one of those hacks who kept getting hired as Head Writer, even though she had a spotty track record. Her 80s stint at Days was successful, but the rest of her work is not great.
And they brought her back to AW in 1995, where she created yet another serial killer-this one killed Frankie.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | March 26, 2024 6:38 PM |
R187, I believe she also created the Salem Strangler storyline during her tenure on Days. I guess it was an efficient way to trim the cast.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | March 26, 2024 10:16 PM |
I have never watched AW, but I checked out when Frankie was killed reading the posts here. She put up a really good fight. It was as good as the final chase in a horror movie. It was a little unsettling, too. The only other time I’ve seen a victim put up such a fight against a killer was Susan when she was attacked in the shower in the, at times, very scary Brent/Marian storyline on GL. Susan lived, though.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | March 26, 2024 11:09 PM |
Would anyone have cried if Killer Jill had met the fate she cooked up for Frankie Frame?
by Anonymous | reply 190 | March 26, 2024 11:40 PM |
No, r190.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | March 27, 2024 12:59 AM |
....Alice Barrett, half of the female cast of General Hospital, probably her own mother......
by Anonymous | reply 192 | March 27, 2024 1:56 AM |
Sir Pendulousness is the guest for the 4th anniversary of The Locher Room next Wednesday.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | March 27, 2024 3:18 PM |
I really, really, really, really, REALLY wish Mary Kay Adams would do a Locher Room. I wish I knew her address so I could write her and tell her how loved she is by many of the Marvelous Midwestern types.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | March 27, 2024 6:50 PM |
I meant “on daytime” not horror movies in general.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | March 27, 2024 9:26 PM |
[quote] Susan lived, though.
A shame. She was such a damn bore.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | March 27, 2024 10:04 PM |
No, R178, it was made clear she was never radicalized. She was only held hostage because she was an heiress and the terrorist group demanded a ransom for her safe release. I seriously doubt the writers ever considered an in-depth look at Kit’s inner turmoil during and after her trauma due to the limitations of the actress who played her.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | March 27, 2024 10:12 PM |
R196 I liked Susan. She was an interesting character and pretty.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | March 27, 2024 10:29 PM |
She had a bit of a Natalie Wood thing going on
by Anonymous | reply 199 | March 27, 2024 10:37 PM |
Damn that Brent/Marian storyline was so good. The only complaint would be having a stronger heroine (character and actress wise) because the men were superb. Frank Beatty was so sexy and was a helluva actor.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | March 28, 2024 2:00 AM |
Too bad Beaty flipped his wig (literally) and the dénouement of the storyline was partly played by someone else.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | March 28, 2024 3:36 AM |
Marc Wolf, an NYC gay playwright, subbed for Brent Lawrence to cap off Marian storyline and the finale in the lighthouse.
Wolf went on to do the play "Another American: Asking and Telling" about gays in the military.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | March 28, 2024 3:58 AM |
I ultimately hated that story so much. Beaty did great work but I just hated it.
Hated Lucy to begin with (tepid bargain basement cross between Beth and Harley), hated that it turned into The Lucy Hour - she was no Beth Raines - hated that she made Alan Michael dull. Hated that Brent killed Nadine and Cutter, hated how ugly the whole story was, hated how it dragged on.
It was just so negative. But LOL if the rumors that Marian was based on Jill Farren Phlegm were true.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | March 28, 2024 4:21 AM |
R202 Marc Wolf looks hot in some recent photos but he didn't look right with the Marian makeup on.
I think Frank Beaty returned somewhere near the end.....? I can't remember.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | March 28, 2024 4:23 AM |
R203 I see how many think it was too dark (it was but in a good way for me). It was intense, dramatic, scary. It also had a lot of humor, sometimes dark, sometimes not. I think it is one of GL’s best ever. I couldn’t stand Nadine (though her death was brutal) and Cutter was expendable. The acting was too good. Beatty sold the hell out of it which I think made it more dark than it otherwise would have been.
I never thought about it, but I see now how Lucy was supposed to be a Beth-like character while the actual Beth was off the show. And you are correct, r203, she was no Beth Raines.
R201 Yes, another case of bad GL luck which seemed to plague the show in the 90s. R204 Yes, Beatty did come back for the very end.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | March 28, 2024 10:51 AM |
Beaty, not Beatty
by Anonymous | reply 206 | March 28, 2024 2:13 PM |
Beaty was scheduled to participate in this but backed out
by Anonymous | reply 207 | March 28, 2024 2:17 PM |
Jennifer Leak, an actress who played Olive on AW, has died.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | March 29, 2024 3:47 AM |
Aww, sad about Jennifer Leak.
I’ll always remember Olive whining to John “John, I’m getting sick and tired of Pat undermining me to Michael and Marianne!”
by Anonymous | reply 209 | March 29, 2024 4:15 AM |
by Anonymous | reply 210 | March 29, 2024 4:18 AM |
That's sad about Jennifer Leake.
Olive was a great psycho villainess, one they should have brought back to town. But once they killed off John Randolph and wrote Alice and Pat out, Olive didn't have any substantial connections to the canvas.
One connection they never explored is that Olive was Sally's aunt. Olive was the sister-in-law of Sally's biological mother. But when they killed off Sally, that eliminated all Olive's connections.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | March 29, 2024 6:53 AM |
R207 It was odd he was going to do it in the first place given the reported drama with Rick Hearst. Does anyone truly know the scoop on that? It sounds juicy as hell. Frank Beaty had a mental breakdown reportedly due to the material being so dark ( Michelle Forbes similarly had a mental breakdown on GL due to her dark, twisted, and fucking outstanding storyline), but many think Frank’s was over Rick Hearst. I mean, GL did produce two very dark, intense storylines within a 6 year span that were two of the all time great storylines ever on soaps (and I’ll die on that hill).
by Anonymous | reply 212 | March 29, 2024 7:29 AM |
[quote]I’ll always remember Olive whining to John “John, I’m getting sick and tired of Pat undermining me to Michael and Marianne!”
I remember her rolling her eyes every time John hugged her ... and her wailing over her dead lover Evan as the end credits rolled the day John shot him.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | March 29, 2024 10:40 AM |
Anybody have an answer at R183?
by Anonymous | reply 214 | March 29, 2024 12:06 PM |
R210 Nice tribute from her first husband Tim Matheson. He’s a class act.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | March 29, 2024 12:10 PM |
R212 That has long been a rumor, that Frank and Rick were having an affair.
Frank's now on the MAGA tip of things, if I remember right, and Rick's been married forever so not sure......then again, married forever doesn't mean one can't pursue cock......if the rumors about Michael Park are true......
by Anonymous | reply 216 | March 29, 2024 1:18 PM |
MARY!
by Anonymous | reply 218 | March 29, 2024 4:17 PM |
Alma Rudder came to Bay City seeking revenge against Blaine for her brother Buzz Winslow's death. She connected with Cecile who was trying to get Blaine out of the way so she could have Sandy Cory.
They concocted a scheme to gaslight Blaine and make her think she was going crazy. It included Alma dressing up as a giant rag doll. Likely there was a kitten involved too.
I honestly do not remember too many details, but Alma dressed as the giant rag doll multiple times and Blaine reverted to some childhood state and had a breakdown. Plot culminated with a location shoot in Wyoming.
It was quite thrilling at the time. One of the few plots that was working on AW in 1982. Alma and Cecile had a great dynamic. Alma called her "Cecil"
Below is the link to the Alma Rudder info on the Another World Home Page. That may answer some of your questions.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | March 29, 2024 5:50 PM |
Stephen Schnetzer is on The Locher Room right now.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | March 29, 2024 7:40 PM |
Schnetzer just said that AW’s use of humor set it apart from the other soaps which chose to go more of a telenovela (“Duh duh DUH!) route, Which isn’t really true. What about Opal on AMC? Calliope on Days? For fuck’s sakeSunset Beach and Passions, also on NBC? Talk abouf a simplistic opinion.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | March 29, 2024 7:46 PM |
And “Santa Barbara” which made humor a big part of the show.
Hell, even “As the World Turns” had the adventures of Shannon O’Hara and her unwilling sidekick, Harriet Corbman.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | March 29, 2024 7:51 PM |
R222, right, meant to say Santa Barbara instead of Passions.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | March 29, 2024 8:07 PM |
When Linda Dano and Stephen Schnetzer speak about Another World, they always speak about the show’s use of humor. I would argue that Cass was not a comedic character when he returned to the show as Kathleen’s widower in 1987, and he remained the “straight man,” at best, through the remainder of his run.
The characters of Felicia, Cass, Kathleen, Cecile and Wallingford did use a lot of humor around 1984-with the Majorca story, Crystal Lake, and Cecile kidnapping Cass. But that ended when Cass and Kathleen left in 1986.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | March 29, 2024 8:09 PM |
I was a; frigging LAFF RIOT!
by Anonymous | reply 225 | March 29, 2024 8:10 PM |
AW was a humorous show, for sure, in the 80s and early 90s. It wasn't the only one, though, as R221 pointed out.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | March 29, 2024 8:47 PM |
Cecile and Felicia dressed as nuns, investigating David Thatcher's murder, was hilarious. Nuns with long, painted fingernails.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | March 30, 2024 3:26 AM |
Can anyone remember an Australian actress from a US daytime soap in the mid-'80s, to early '90s?
I saw this woman interviewed on TV around '91, and she said she had been employed in a fairly large, ongoing US soap opera role for several years. She was fairly well-known in Oz, but few knew about her US role.
She said she was well-liked by all the women on the set because she played a rather frumpy-looking character. The actress herself was somewhat attractive. Mid 40s? I think on an East Coast show.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | March 30, 2024 6:32 PM |
I can't think of who that might be, R228.
Carmen Duncan was the obvious first person that came to mind.....she played Iris on Another World from 1988 to mid 90s, after the legendary Beverlee McKinsey created the role in the 70s. But I don't think you could call her frumpy.
Sara Botsford came to mind but she's Canadian. She played crazy Lilith McKechnie on and off on As The World Turns.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | March 30, 2024 6:53 PM |
R229 Carmen Duncan was who came to mind to me, too. That's the right age and similar type of actress. Carmen played a real glamour puss on Another World though, so I don't think it was her. I should have paid more attention to which show the actress was speaking about during the interview.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | March 30, 2024 7:14 PM |
I was trying to think of any foreign actresses in that time period on an NY soap -
Fiona Hutchinson and Linda Thorson were both British (and glamour pusses) and Cali Timmins is Canadian (also glamorous, though Judi Evans later turned Paulina on AW into more of a girl next door).
Domini Blythe was on SFT but again, she was a bit of a glamour puss there.
I guess if she was interviewed in 1991 her role could have been anywhere from the 1960s to the early 1990s......hmmm.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | March 30, 2024 7:21 PM |
*and Blythe was not Australian.....she was British/Canadian too
by Anonymous | reply 232 | March 30, 2024 7:21 PM |
Janice Lynde recalls Jennifer Leak from Y&R days. Leak helped Lynde get in AW.
Nice story. So many of the sites just repost soap star Instagram stories
by Anonymous | reply 233 | March 30, 2024 7:53 PM |
^ "On" (not "in") Another World
by Anonymous | reply 234 | March 30, 2024 7:54 PM |
The actress who played Caroline on AW was Australian, but she didn’t play a mousy character.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | March 30, 2024 8:02 PM |
Oooh, R236, good work, that might just be who it is.
But she wasn't on an East Coast soap if it is her, since GH films on the West Coast.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | March 31, 2024 12:31 AM |
R236 Yes that's definately the actress I was thinking of, thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | March 31, 2024 1:52 AM |
Nicely done, Marvelous Midwesterners!
We help each other out here.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | March 31, 2024 1:54 AM |
I loved prunella!
My shows were OLTL and Y&R from 87-93 (For christ sake I was only 7-13)
but i did watch and enjoy GH from 87-89.
My grandparents were ABC watchers, but Y&R was so pretty.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | March 31, 2024 1:58 AM |
And I always found AMC cheap and BORING ^^ No idea why.
looking back at Youtube, AMC looked pretty wonderful from 82-84, and 1988-89 was EXCELLENT (and for the first time, did not look so cheap either)
by Anonymous | reply 241 | March 31, 2024 2:00 AM |
AMC and OLTL both had terrible overhead lighting.
GL did too but it was somehow a bit more subtle.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | March 31, 2024 2:03 AM |
R242- Its weird- OLTL's lighting from 85-87 still had some shadows and subtlety-
But for some reason, by late1988 Paul Rauch wanted everyone orange and the lighting at supersonic levels.
I read an interview with the lighting designers and they were asked "Why is the lighting so bright?"
Rauch wants the show to look upbeat-
It's fucked because AW under Rauch looked elegant (from Youtube)
I think that is why I dug Y&R- it was SLOW and dark. OLTL was FAST and bright and over the top.
GL looked as bad as OLTL in the 1980's (worse actually) For me , it looks like JFP changed GL's look for the better
by Anonymous | reply 243 | March 31, 2024 2:14 AM |
Oh shit! Rauch wanted the actresses eyes to "shine"..
That was the other line.
if you watch the show- the actresses eyes all had an "orbit" of light- Even Barbara Luna- who had very dark eyes.
The actresses eyes really did shine during the Rauch era- You can go see for yourself on YT
by Anonymous | reply 244 | March 31, 2024 2:17 AM |
I did not like the dark and heavy feel of The Young and the Restless during the 1970s and 1980s. The actors all on tranquilizers, so monotonous. Another World in the was also quite darkly lit, but the pace more brisk and the actors and direction were much more lively.
I could have mistaken mid-'80s Guiding Light as an LA-based show, because it had such an open and bright look about it. It might have had something to do with the fact that they had so many blondes and tanned-looking guys on the show during that time.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | March 31, 2024 2:35 AM |
JFP took GL from being too bright to being too dark almost instantly.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | March 31, 2024 2:37 AM |
R245- I thought AW always looked great when i would tune in.
i watched GL very briefly in the late 80's when Roger returned in that pineapple mask? 1988? I found the background music epic, very simlar to OLTL's amazing scoring.. It looked alot like OLTL
by Anonymous | reply 247 | March 31, 2024 2:39 AM |
R246- True.---Like many, i have watched MAUREEN'S final scenes many times-- GL had a very similar lighting design to OLTL. I was not a GL watcher at the time minus somehow tuning in when Roger returned (GH must have been boring me- it was never my ride or die like that OLTL)
JFP's GL looked like an entirely different universe- Exactly like Linda Gottlieb's OLTL- almost identical lighting- in that Y&R mold.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | March 31, 2024 2:44 AM |
R224 I prefer more charming humor than abstract. I think AW used humor more deftly than other shows. It was woven in to serve the story and didn't disrupt the flow like the wacky Opal scenes, or especially the surreal moments featuring Calliope on Days.
One Life to Live took it to the next level with their removed-from-reality special episodes like 'Trading Places' when the actors swapped parts. This actually happened when Linda Dano was a part of the show.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | April 1, 2024 3:08 AM |
Trading Places was a riot. Roger and Erika's scenes alone......
by Anonymous | reply 250 | April 1, 2024 3:10 AM |
Martha Byrne was on Maurice Benard's "State of Mind" podcast talking about her husband's case.
She goes into great detail talking about the case, so much detail that Maurice ended up dividing the talk into two parts.
The first part, Martha talks some about her soap career and how she met her husband, Michael McMahon. She also talks about his work as an NYPD detective and then his career as a private investigator after a work injury forced his retirement
Part two she talks about how McMahon was arrested in 2020 and the subsequent trial in 2023. She talks in detail about some points of the case and how they are appealing the conviction.
by Anonymous | reply 251 | April 1, 2024 3:45 AM |
Does anyone else find Martha's crusade a bit odd? The evidence seems pretty overwhelming that the guy is guilty.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | April 1, 2024 3:53 AM |
I've purposely just turned away from reading about it or hearing about it. Something really sinister about that whole story of his, and I'm just going to stay in my bubble and pretend it didn't happen.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | April 1, 2024 3:58 AM |
In Part 1 of the Maurice Benard podcast, Martha Byrne talks about how she went to Hollywood trying to make it big there from late 1989 to early 1993.
She said she tried out for a part of Days of our Lives but didn't get it. So, she called up Doug Marland and said she was ready to come back to Oakdale. Her first return air date was April 8, 1993.
She doesn't name the role on Days she auditioned for, but we Soap Mavens should be able to figure it out. What teen or early 20s females debuted on Days in late 1992 or early 1993? Come on ladies, lets figure this out!
Martha talks about the Days audition briefly in the video at r251, stating at about 11:20 in.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | April 1, 2024 3:59 AM |
Billie Reed, perhaps? Martha would have been the right age for that.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | April 1, 2024 4:04 AM |
Martha would have been the right age for Billie, but Billie Reed debuted in September 1992.
That doesn't fit the timeline as Martha presented it.
by Anonymous | reply 257 | April 1, 2024 4:06 AM |
In 1992, it may have been Molly.
by Anonymous | reply 258 | April 1, 2024 4:10 AM |
The Molly role eventually went to Shannon Sturges.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | April 1, 2024 4:13 AM |
R257 but....wouldn't it?
We know she returned on air to ATWT in April1993. If Days was casting Billie in late spring or early summer 1992, she could have tried for that, been passed over for it, and decided at some point to reach out to Marland.
She may have been slightly blurry on the dates - we know Marland died in February so she would have had to contact him at some point late in 1992, most likely, enough time for him to have the story outline for Damian Grimaldi in place as a vehicle for Martha's return.
It could have been Molly on DAYS, too, for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | April 1, 2024 4:14 AM |
Shannon Sturges played Molly Brinker on Days from April 1991 to September 1992.
So, way too early for this Martha Byrne scenario.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | April 1, 2024 4:16 AM |
I had my local dry cleaner fuck up my Lee Jofa linen drapes to the tune of 8K, no apology, I'm considering legal action.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | April 1, 2024 4:18 AM |
Then it's more likely Billie.
Or were there other characters coming on board when Jim Reilly was joining DAYS?
by Anonymous | reply 263 | April 1, 2024 4:20 AM |
R262 Huh?
by Anonymous | reply 264 | April 1, 2024 4:20 AM |
I could definately see Martha playing the Molly character.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | April 1, 2024 4:24 AM |
What did she say, exactly?
If she was in Hollywood from 89-93, that's a wide range.
The only young characters during that time period would have been
Molly, Carrie, and eventually Billie
by Anonymous | reply 266 | April 1, 2024 4:25 AM |
Allison Sweeney debuted as Sami Brady in January 1993. So for all we know, Martha could have been auditioning for that role and they show decided to go with a younger actress.
Likewise, Christie Clark returned to Days as Carrie Brady in December 1992 after Tracy Middendorf didn't work out in the role. Maybe they auditioned other actresses before deciding to invite Christie back to the role and maybe Martha was one of those auditioning.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | April 1, 2024 4:28 AM |
I think she was up for Dr. Sandy Horton.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | April 1, 2024 6:05 AM |
She could have been r268. A Days spinoff was in the works during 1991/92; called Manhattan Lives, it was to focus on Marlena, living in New York. There were supposed to be legacy Days characters joining, one of whom was Sandy Horton.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | April 1, 2024 6:14 AM |
R269 I remember NBC considering Manhattan Lives, and before that Pacific Lives which was to take place in a clinic inn Hawaii, with Marlena, Dr. Tom Horton Jr. and Sandy Horton. Sandy would have been de-aged considerably, with Martha but when has that stopped anything?
by Anonymous | reply 270 | April 1, 2024 10:09 AM |
There was no way she was up for Sami. Sami was 15 when she came on the show, Martha couldn't play 15. It al. Also during that time Days went through some headwriting changes, so it may have been for a character who just didn't end up on the show.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | April 1, 2024 1:16 PM |
15 years ago today, the unthinkable happened - it was announced that after 72 years, Guiding Light was cancelled.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | April 1, 2024 5:45 PM |
Yeah, it was one of the worst April Fools Jokes ever!
by Anonymous | reply 273 | April 1, 2024 6:02 PM |
Another character MB may have auditioned for was a brand new one named "Rebecca Morrison," who also debuted in January 1993.
"Rebecca" was a fresh-faced, new hire in the Salem D.A.s office, who was immediately attracted to John Black. .. It looked like Rebecca was being established to play another complication in the John-Marlena-Roman triangle. (See print promo featuring the character at link.) .. To distract from his feelings for Marlena, John responded to Rebecca and began a relationship with her. .. But apparently, things didn't work out with the model-actress (Dani Minnick) whom they'd hired for the role, and soon John went in the direction of "Kristin Blake DiMera," being played by Eileen Davidson. .. Minnick lasted something like 26-weeks.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | April 1, 2024 8:39 PM |
Just got through listening to Martha explain her husband's case on Maurice's podcast.
I'm not a legal expert and certainly don't understand all the legal nuances involved, but she does offer some compelling arguments about how the feds essentially needed to take down someone in this case and her husband was an easy target because of his work as a private eye peripherally involved.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | April 1, 2024 8:59 PM |
There was a therapist character on DAYS around 1991/92 that the show seemed to want to develop into a major character, her name was Whitney. If I remember correctly, she treated Kim and Jack, and the show was setting her up as a love interest for John-but they had real problems casting the character (I think they recast her three times in three months) and she was dropped.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | April 1, 2024 9:03 PM |
Whitney Baker was the psychiatrist who was noted by several characters to resemble Marlena was played in 1990/91 by Pamela Saunders for 3 months, Claire Yarlett (from The Colbys) for a month, and Deborah Rennard (Sly from Dallas) for 5 months. Rennard's departure in July '91 led to Hall's return one month later.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | April 2, 2024 3:29 AM |
R249 One Life to Live made a trading places fake opening using show employees. It actually gets funnier on the second viewing.
by Anonymous | reply 278 | April 2, 2024 4:02 AM |
Grant’s body alone..and he kept it up all these years!
by Anonymous | reply 280 | April 3, 2024 3:49 AM |
R279, Carl was on a Locher Room and he commented on how nice and helpful Grant was to him when he first started.
SWOOONNNN
Big brother types get me every time.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | April 3, 2024 4:03 AM |
April 2 was the 68th anniversary of the debut of As the World Turns and The Edge of Night.
April 1 was the 61st anniversary of the debut of The Doctors and General Hospital.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | April 3, 2024 6:10 AM |
About a year ago, Stephen King tweeted that he wanted to know if he could watch the entire run of “The Edge of Night” anywhere. I guess he was unaware that a majority of the episodes were “wiped” decades ago.
I do agree with him. That’s a P&G soap I’d have loved to see from the beginning. Esp the storyline with Dorothy Lyman as Elly Jo Jamison and the famous spilt-personality storyline with Louise Shaffer as Serena/Josie Faraday.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | April 3, 2024 10:13 PM |
Elly Jo was a hoot and a half. Dangerous but also hilarious.
Opal Gardner definitely grew out of Elly Jo.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | April 3, 2024 10:56 PM |
Elly Jo loved her milk shakes! Lester Rawlins as Orin Hillyer had a gothic, campy vibe that would have worked well on Dark Shadows, and if they hadn't taken the murderous turn with Elly Jo, she and Orin would have been a super couple.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | April 3, 2024 11:02 PM |
I have not watched today's Locher Room with Sir Pendulousness but it got a few raves online and apparently he mentioned a book her's writing? Will have to go watch and listen this week.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | April 4, 2024 4:18 AM |
*he's writing
by Anonymous | reply 287 | April 4, 2024 4:18 AM |
I think they could bring back GL, as long as Reva and Josh don't appear. Let them have moved back to Tulsa. Focus on Spaulding/Cedars with the Bauers (Ed, Hope, Rick) in focus. Wasn't there a black Bauer toward the end? That kind of conflict could kick it off.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | April 4, 2024 10:30 AM |
GL could easily come back. I’d have a religious element like it did in the beginning with maybe a crooked megachurch family thrown in.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | April 4, 2024 10:43 AM |
LOL I remember Roger Thorpe, 1990 version having phone calls with Donald Trump.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | April 4, 2024 2:07 PM |
R290 So the crooked megachurch is “The Church of The Mango Messiah”?
by Anonymous | reply 291 | April 4, 2024 3:08 PM |
Grant is a little gray but damn if he isn't still as handsome as ever.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | April 4, 2024 3:51 PM |
R289 Instead of an oil company ala Lewis Oil, a villianous megachurch family would yield a lot of potential drama.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | April 4, 2024 10:19 PM |
Always loved the view from Lucinda’s office which made Oakdale look like a metropolis.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | April 8, 2024 9:49 PM |
LOL
Even shithole Pine Valley ended up being a "city" later in its run with a "skyline".
It angered critics.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | April 8, 2024 10:16 PM |
Well, it WAS dumb to shoehorn that big city feel into shows that had been small town shows.
The idea that suddenly these major corporations would be in places like Oakdale and Pine Valley.....just made no sense.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | April 9, 2024 1:15 AM |
Palmer Courtlandt lived in Pine Valley so it made sense that Courtlandt Electronics was based there.
But Adam Chandler had no initial connections to Pine Valley, so no reason to bring Chandler Enterprises there.
And didn't Dimitri Marek moved to Pine Valley because Erica Kane was from Pine Valley?.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | April 9, 2024 1:54 AM |
Well, it WAS dumb to shoehorn that big city feel into shows that had been small town shows.
One of my biggest pet peeves about the 80s. Every soap became a booming metropolis. Some of these shows were supposed to be "Peyton Placesque", small town drama, small town scandals and small town morality.
One of the things I loved about Y&R for years were certain long time characters didn't even know each other.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | April 9, 2024 2:04 AM |
Before India knew Phillip was Alex's nephew, he picked her up in the rain, brought her back to his place and she grilled him on Springfield. He said it wasn't really a town but it wasn't as big as a big city either.
Bill Bell wrote on his bible for Y&R "Genoa City will be everything we need it to be" -- something like that.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | April 9, 2024 4:01 AM |
R292, yes, he's still got it.
I thought Alan Locher did a great job and Grant answered each and every question with kindness and thoughtfulness.
He had a solid memory and spoke lovingly and fondly of folks who've gone on including Jerry, Tom O'Rourke and Beverlee and Chris.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | April 9, 2024 4:02 AM |
R300 What did he say about Judi?
by Anonymous | reply 301 | April 9, 2024 4:07 AM |
something nice; I forget what.
He also threw in a little Alec McIntyre and what an SOB he was.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | April 9, 2024 4:11 AM |
Very nice interview with Grant. He was open and sincere and just came across as a warm person.
I loved his comments when asked about various co-stars, especially his comments about Mary Kay Adams.
Interesting that Alan did not ask Grant about Vince Irizarry or Ricky Paull Goldin.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | April 9, 2024 5:38 AM |
Grant did visit DAYS set a few years back and Judi posted a pic with her, Vincent, and Grant. Everyone seemed fine.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | April 9, 2024 11:02 AM |
I wish someone had asked Grant about his CAPITOL stint, which was mostly him in a Speedo in a hot tub. John Conboy must have lubed up real good before those scenes.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | April 9, 2024 12:53 PM |
Convoy also said Christopher Durham would never wear a shirt on “Capitol” for the summer of 1984.
He didn’t.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | April 9, 2024 1:08 PM |
Ah, for the days of soaps where men were men, studs were studs and daytime was soft core porn.....
by Anonymous | reply 307 | April 9, 2024 4:01 PM |
R305, Alan did bring up Captiol and made a Speedo reference; Grant took a brief silent beat and then moved on; he dismissed it effortlessly.
If I had half his body, I'd walk around naked in public today; he downplays his godlike body, which I'm sure is nothing to sneeze at today,
Alan being Ricky Paull's dad made NO SENSE; he was busy back in the day with Jackie, Elizabeth, and Hope AND Rita while fending off Diane Ballard.
Wedging Ricky into the Spauldings made ZERO sense.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | April 9, 2024 4:38 PM |
Did Lisa Brown ever have fun playing Iva? After a character like Nola, Iva was such a comedown.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | April 9, 2024 5:17 PM |
I'm sure Lisa loved it while Marland was alive.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | April 9, 2024 8:23 PM |
ATWT Marland was not even close to GL’s Marland, Not even close. GL was far, far superior.
Grant’s body is a freaking wonder. It never wavered in decades.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | April 10, 2024 1:32 AM |
[quote] ATWT Marland was not even close to GL’s Marland, Not even close. GL was far, far superior.
I think some of Marland's individual GL stories stood out wonderfully, but as for the overall show I thought he really had a better run at ATWT. Then again it was a *longer* run. Who knows where GL might have gone if he'd stayed on?
by Anonymous | reply 312 | April 10, 2024 7:44 PM |
Maryland was on GL for a much shorter time than I thought. He did create the Reardon family. He always liked to have a “have not” family on the books.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | April 10, 2024 9:04 PM |
He was really only GL's HW for just shy of two years, I think. He quit over the Carrie dual personality story. I don't think Allan Potter and Marland got along - he and Robert Calhoun were perhaps one of the great pairings on daytime, as far as working well together.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | April 10, 2024 9:12 PM |
Guiding Light was also in better shape when he took over than ATWT was. The Dobsons had created the Spauldings and Marlers, as well as the Holly/Roger/Rita/Ed story and the Amanda/Lucille storyline.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | April 10, 2024 9:12 PM |
Now that some time has passed, you can totally see the "Marland Pattern". He duplicated it on every soap. To me his GL seemed more urbane than his ATWT.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | April 10, 2024 9:19 PM |
Oh for sure. I mean I loved his style but he had his particular things.
The mother defending daughter in trouble - which he did on GL and ATWT and another show (forgetting which one).
He definitely always introduced have nots.....on the Doctors, GH, GL and ATWT. But he also introduced rich families and characters too. I think he created some of the Quartermaines on GH. He didn't create Lucinda on ATWT but he made her make sense and focused her story and why she was doing what she did.
He definitely had Lisa Brown as his muse.
The Reardon brothers and Snyder boys seemed to be variations on the type of men he grew up around.
And ATWT *was* our first sighting of Barry Kaufman aka Robert Tyler and his stunning beauty......
by Anonymous | reply 317 | April 10, 2024 9:26 PM |
I wasn’t born when it aired, but I ran across the Roger in clown mask chasing a woman through a hall of mirrors while disco music blared on YouTube. Excuse my French but holy fuck that was one of the most thrilling, scary, enthralling (MARY) scenes I’ve even seen in daytime. The direction was impeccable.
Then I watched a scene with Sherry Stringfield from 1990. She was amazing. I am still stunned she left two #1 rated prime time shows early- NYPD Blue after one year, ER after not even THREE years. She clocked 2 and a 1/4 years. I thought she was on ER longer in her first run, but she wasn’t. She also left as the cast was negotiating their contracts for HUGE $. She walked away from tens of millions. WTAF? Seriously. I reread the story and it is truly perplexing. It makes no sense at all. None. She was used to a heavy schedule doing GL for 3 years. I don’t find her reasoning truthful.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | April 10, 2024 9:42 PM |
Marland's scripts for GL aired from January 1980 until September 1982.
Marland also has Lesley Webber going to trial for murder to protect her daughter Laura on GH.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | April 10, 2024 9:44 PM |
Was Marland doing uncredited writing on ATWT in 1985. He officially didn’t start until late in the year, but everything after Bob and Kim’s wedding in March (including the start of the Doug Cummings story and the introduction of Shannon, Sierra and the Snyders) seems like his work.
by Anonymous | reply 320 | April 10, 2024 11:08 PM |
He was definitely writing the Snyders, Shannon and Doug Cummings so if he wasn't officially credited he was definitely in charge in reality.
by Anonymous | reply 321 | April 10, 2024 11:12 PM |
I so wish Marland's 1978 GH was on YouTube. There's some later stuff in the fall but it was fascinating watching him bring that show from the brink of cancelation.
He wrote the Lesley/Rick/Monica/Alan quadrangle - throwing in Jane Elliot as Tracy to stir things up. Edward and Lila were well cast with David Lewis and Anna Lee. One minute you wanted to smack Bobbie and the next you wanted to hug her; I wasn't rooting for her to ship Laura off to reform school but I was rooting for Bobbie. Kin's pecs were fantastic.
Marland gave Steve a story making him Jeff's dad; he gave Jessie a late in life romance with Dan and had her take Bobbie in as a roommate. Jessie saw good in Bobbie, allowing the audience to see it as well.
Lee and Gail were savvy and sophisticated, and we rooted for them as well.
The supporting cast was off the charts; I loved Mary O'Brien as Heather; she played the part like Sheila Carter in a way.
by Anonymous | reply 322 | April 11, 2024 4:01 AM |
Marland did the mother taking the wrap for the daughter 3x.
Lesley went to jail to keep Laura safe; it was Laura who killed David Hamilton; Lesley confessed to an affair with David that never happened to save Laura; Rick figured it out and said to Lesley in a witness room; It's Laura! That's why you're doing this. Crying Lesley said: "If you love me, you won't walk out that door." and then, he did. Cue the tears.
Marland did it next with Jennifer Richards (nee Jane Marie Stafford) killing Lucille Wexler in self defense; Lucille wanted to get rid of Jennifer as she was Amanda's birth mother; Lucille was the adopted one. Back then, having an out of wedlock baby was apparently a BIG deal.
I loved Lesley and Laura the most but I have to admit Marland perfected this dynamic with Kim and Frannie on ATWt; neither committed the murder but Kim thought Frannie did; Pregnant, she takes the blame to save fragile Frannie's psyche. It comes out at trial that Marsha killed Douglas (Frannie finally remembered).
A lot of that IS on Youtube and Jennifer Richards got a DVD treatment years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | April 11, 2024 4:05 AM |
[quote]Lucille wanted to get rid of Jennifer as she was Amanda's birth mother
Jennifer Richards fucked Brandon Spaulding?
by Anonymous | reply 324 | April 11, 2024 4:13 AM |
GL retconning that story to make Amanda Alan's sister was one of the truly stupid things that show did.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | April 11, 2024 4:15 AM |
R325, GL killing off Maureen was moronic.
Recast Kathleen Cullen/Amanda and Morgan Englund/Dylan were also dumb moves.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | April 11, 2024 4:23 AM |
Stringfield apparently left ER to be with her boyfriend. It didn’t make a lot of sense. The show was huge.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | April 11, 2024 9:47 AM |
Maryland created the Snyder family. Sierra was before him.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | April 11, 2024 9:48 AM |
Marland inherited the Sierra/Lucinda story. When he got on board, he asked Hubbard why she thought Lucinda was so reticent to tell Sierra she was her mother. Hubbard answered, “I have no idea.”
From there, he created the whole illegal adoption of Lily story.
by Anonymous | reply 329 | April 11, 2024 12:11 PM |
That story was SO good.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | April 11, 2024 1:34 PM |
Richard Bekins will be the latest to appear in the Locher Room.
Hopefully someone asks him about Lady Eyes A Buggin.
by Anonymous | reply 331 | April 11, 2024 3:33 PM |
YEAH to Richard Bekins in the Locher Room. That one's long overdue.
Now, if Alan will just do a little bit of research in advance. He knows nothing about AW and never seems to do basic prep about the show.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | April 11, 2024 5:06 PM |
Bekins is who I consider to be THE Jamie Frame, sorry Bobby Doran. I was okay with Lau and Todd, but Bekins is the one. I may be wrong, but I think he's still friends with Victoria Wyndham.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | April 11, 2024 5:11 PM |
Somebody on the long defunct “Jump the Shark” site once said AW jumped the shark because Victoria Wyndham was rude to their mother in an ice cream parlor in Newport, Rhode Island.
I so wish they had given more details.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | April 11, 2024 5:16 PM |
VW didn't put up with foolishness
by Anonymous | reply 335 | April 11, 2024 5:27 PM |
Oh I remember that r334! I remember her saying VW was a “rude, arrogant bitch.”
by Anonymous | reply 336 | April 11, 2024 6:19 PM |
CBS has canceled The Talk. This leaves an hour of programming open in CBS's daytime schedule come January.
Likely the new black soap opera The Gates will be a prime contender to get that time slot.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | April 12, 2024 6:25 PM |
When CBS canceled ATWT in 2010, they replaced it with The Talk.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | April 12, 2024 6:27 PM |
It would be poetic justice if the Talk is replaced with The Gates.
by Anonymous | reply 339 | April 12, 2024 8:32 PM |
The Laurie Caso interview has some really, really great info.
There were always rumors bouncing around about what Doug Marland died from - I think some rumors claimed tummy tuck....but Laurie said he wasn't feeling well on a Monday, went to a hospital and had an operation, and died that Friday.
He also mentioned the ATWT bible that we've seen posted here several times.
He was a CBS exec right before Marland took over at ATWT and worked with Pam Long, too, at GL.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | April 13, 2024 12:20 AM |
R332. Alan was smart enough to ask Grant Aleksander about a GL and an AMC moment that one of the soap reporters fed him and to Alan's credit, he gave the reporter credit.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | April 13, 2024 2:41 AM |
Caso also mentions DL gold star legend Linda "Cunt" Lavin. Apparently CBS had her on a holding deal when they plugged her into "Alice."
by Anonymous | reply 342 | April 13, 2024 4:03 AM |
Alan gave me credit for a question in one of the GL Locher Room sessions.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | April 13, 2024 8:34 PM |
Okay, the Helen Wagner dancing with her husband story.....😭
by Anonymous | reply 344 | April 13, 2024 9:46 PM |
Caso said he was the one that suggested Lily was adopted (a black market baby) and that Craig would rescue Sierra, as Craig had been a villain before that. He said the writers came up with Sierra being Lucinda's daughter.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | April 13, 2024 9:51 PM |
What was the As the World Turns bible?
by Anonymous | reply 346 | April 13, 2024 9:52 PM |
R346 They once published the bible to "As the Earth Turns" over at We Love Soaps.
I remember it being multi-part. The site doesn't have the greatest search engine.
Refer to the next post for an article there that appears to have most of the links in it.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | April 13, 2024 10:27 PM |
Bits of the bible Doug Marland wrote for the network right before he started at ATWT is on the internet, too. We don't see it in full but there are excerpts.
There are four blog posts covering this, here's part one
by Anonymous | reply 349 | April 14, 2024 1:28 AM |
Slightly off topic here, but I was just reading the Larry Luckinbill (Mr. Lucie Arnaz) thread where The Secret Storm is mentioned several times. Larry acted on Secret Storm and Love is a Many Splendored Thing while married to his first wife, Robin Strasser.
Anyway, all that reminded me of some soap anniversaries we should acknowledge here on DL:
2024 marks the 70th anniversary of the debut of Secret Storm -- Feb 1, 1954.
This year also marks the 50th anniversary of the final episode of Secret Storm -- Feb. 8, 1974.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | April 15, 2024 2:27 AM |
Thanks, Liz!
I never saw Secret Storm - I vaguely remember seeing bits of Love of Life, though.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | April 15, 2024 3:42 AM |
Luckinbill was in Where the Heart Is. (I don't remember him in LIAMT.)
Secret Storm was a real pot boiler toward the end.
by Anonymous | reply 352 | April 15, 2024 9:02 AM |
CBS has given The Gates a greenlight. It's going to series, debuting in January.
by Anonymous | reply 353 | April 15, 2024 8:55 PM |
R352, what were some of the latter storylines?
by Anonymous | reply 354 | April 15, 2024 9:28 PM |
Was it “Somerset” that had the killer clown storyline?
by Anonymous | reply 355 | April 15, 2024 9:28 PM |
R354 A few that I remember ... Here's the basic gist, but don't hold me to it, so long ago. ;)
The show had a storyline about a hot Catholic priest, Father Mark Reddin, having an affair and getting defrocked. The back and forth between the church and his affair turned him into an alcoholic. Another one was about the show's heroine, Amy, getting artificial insemination behind her husband's back. He'd been shot, becoming a paraplegic, which left him impotent. He thought Amy was already pregnant before this happened, but she wasn't. A hot doctor, played by Jeffrey Pomerantz, agreed to do it, but because he had a thing for Amy, he used his own sperm without her knowledge. .. The show's reigning villianess, Belle Clemens (the marvelous Marla Adams), was fucking a younger guy who was a mechanic and race car driver and she began supporting him financially. It turned out he was actually her politican-husband's son. There was also a more gothic story a couple moving into an old house and whether it might be haunted. The wife was imagining she was the reincarnation of a woman who'd lived there before and this handsome, but psychotic groundskeeper fueled these thoughts, since he'd murdered the other woman.
I don't think SS was ready for cancellation. And American Home Products didn't think so either. Their big mistake was when they agreed to sell the show to CBS, but upon cancellation they worked to get it back and had plans to continue it in syndication. The news report below is from the New York Times, January 1974. Something happened during that one month with the plan not coming to pass. Too bad.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | April 15, 2024 10:48 PM |
R356 that ghost story on SS involved the Reddin family, whic also included Frances Sterhagen and Gary Sandy, and the defrocked priest Mark who had married Laurie Stevens(Stephanie Braxton) who was Amy's best friend.
by Anonymous | reply 357 | April 16, 2024 7:26 PM |
Carl Tye Evans is beautiful. Also, I’d love to have one of those red GL caps.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | April 17, 2024 12:27 AM |
Why doesn't the hat read, TGL?
by Anonymous | reply 359 | April 17, 2024 12:42 AM |
I'd want to do a taste test on Carl Tye Evans and Grant. They could keep their hats on, though.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | April 17, 2024 3:30 AM |
Anyone watch the Bekins one?
by Anonymous | reply 361 | April 17, 2024 11:05 PM |
Carl Tye Evans just had something about him that was very sexy. I mean, he’s fucking cute, but damn.
by Anonymous | reply 362 | April 17, 2024 11:07 PM |
I started watching Bekins, but had multiple interruptions.
I'll have to watch tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | April 17, 2024 11:42 PM |
The Richard Bekins interview is decent. Richard looks incredible. He's 69 years old, but except for the gray hair looks 20 years younger (how DataLounge!)
Said he enjoyed his time at AW, but when his four-year contract was up he left at the recommendation of Connie Ford, Paul Stevens and others. They told him if he wanted to do other things, he needed to get out once his contract was up, otherwise he'd end up staying for 30 years.
There's some other good tidbits here and there, but Alan Locher is poor interviewer and that was especially obvious during this interview. He doesn't know how to do follow-up questions and keeps inserting himself into the interview instead of letting his subjects talk.
Alan's failure to do any research into Another World was especially glaring in this interview. Most of the AW questions he asked were ones the viewers were posing in the chat. But his lack of AW knowledge was especially irritating when he said that Chris Rich played Blaine Ewing and commented that Robin Strasser "was the original Rachel, I believe."
Alan was also unaware that P&G had posted old episodes of P&G soaps on AOL back in the late 2000s!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Enough complaining. It was quite good to see Richard again and hear about his life. And yes, Richard did confirm that he is gay during this interview.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | April 18, 2024 9:42 PM |
Did he mention Victoria Wyndham at all?
by Anonymous | reply 365 | April 18, 2024 9:46 PM |
Alan is terrible.
He's like a Fisher Price See and Say toy that only knows how to say a handful of things.
"Tell me about your first day/audition"
"I LOVE that"
by Anonymous | reply 366 | April 18, 2024 9:56 PM |
Yes, of course, Bekins mentioned Victoria Wyndham.
Also mentioned Doug Watson, Nancy Frangione, Chris Rich, Ray Liotta. All of them just get a mention here and there. No long anecdotes about them.
He also mentions Beverlee McKinsey contacting him following his short role as Vanessa's suitor in 1991 on GL.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | April 19, 2024 2:07 AM |
Someone posted this in the OLTL/AMC thread, and I'm only part way through but it's quite interesting.
Including an anecdote about Krista farting on set.
by Anonymous | reply 368 | April 19, 2024 6:33 PM |
Aw, Sarah Michelle Gellar was one of Mindy's flower girls in the Kurt/Mindy wedding! (as revealed in that podcast)
by Anonymous | reply 369 | April 19, 2024 9:09 PM |
[quote] Aw, Sarah Michelle Gellar was one of Mindy's flower girls in the Kurt/Mindy wedding
That little cunt should have stayed in Springfield.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | April 20, 2024 1:27 AM |
In his interview with Alan Grant Aleksander mentioned Crystal Hunt. It was implied she’d been going through a rough time. Is it true she’s from a very wealthy family?
by Anonymous | reply 371 | April 20, 2024 6:55 PM |
R371 I think that was for Hayden Panettiere. He said she had gone through some rough times and that he hasn’t seen her in a few years.
by Anonymous | reply 372 | April 20, 2024 10:13 PM |
People magazine just had an article this week about Panettiere's forthcoming book.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | April 20, 2024 10:38 PM |
Crystal Hunt also has had some issues. Legal issues for sure.
Emme Rylan (fka Marcy Rylan) is the only one that seems to have eluded the Lizzie curse.
by Anonymous | reply 374 | April 20, 2024 10:40 PM |
If I still lived on the East Coast I would go to the AW reunion.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | April 23, 2024 8:40 PM |
R372, Aleksander also said Crystal Hunt had been going through a rough time.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | April 24, 2024 1:09 AM |
I don't remember Frankie Grillo/Hart ever having highlights! LOL
by Anonymous | reply 377 | May 3, 2024 2:56 PM |
Destroying Hart and Dinah to promote Hart and Big Bird was appalling. Wendy Moniz could act circles around Laura Wright. How many characters did Crassie destroy? Sarah Shayne for certain. God I hated that hillbilly clan with Reva.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | May 3, 2024 9:06 PM |
I hated that instead of bringing back Roxie, they introduced Cassie.
People always say Reva ate the show, but Cassie was even worse......that snaggletoothed bitch ate it, walls, floor and all.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | May 3, 2024 9:31 PM |
"We do not live in this world alone, but in a thousand other worlds...."
by Anonymous | reply 381 | May 4, 2024 7:38 PM |
Bay City was the American headquarters of the Aetherius Society?
by Anonymous | reply 382 | May 4, 2024 8:24 PM |
R381, that was an Irna Phillips quote. Whatever the fuck THAT means. (eye roll)
Pete Lemat’s definition of the title made the most sense to me. Aspiring to move into another type of world ie a piece of white trash like Rachel wanting to marry Russ Matthews so she could be a comfy middle class broad.
by Anonymous | reply 383 | May 5, 2024 1:54 AM |
[quote] that was an Irna Phillips quote
And the name of a soap blog.
Ain't that a kick in the cunt!
by Anonymous | reply 384 | May 5, 2024 3:49 AM |
Anybody go to the AW fan event yesterday?
by Anonymous | reply 385 | May 5, 2024 4:31 PM |
Yeah, it was dumb. R386
I heard the AW reunion was nice.
by Anonymous | reply 387 | May 5, 2024 9:58 PM |
Where did the Dano/Aunt Jack thing happen?
I heard laughter in the background, was it the Daytime Emmys?
by Anonymous | reply 388 | May 5, 2024 11:51 PM |
Dano has no Y&R credits on IMDb, but it seemed plausible enough since AW had crossed over to ATWT, and ATWT had crossed over to Y&R.
by Anonymous | reply 389 | May 6, 2024 1:42 AM |
[quote]Anybody go to the AW fan event yesterday?
I saw some photos in social media. Looks like a very nice and well done event, attended by a nice cross section of fan favorites through the years.
by Anonymous | reply 390 | May 6, 2024 1:47 AM |
Linda Dano is dressed more like Gretel Rae Cummings than Felicia Gallant in the clip. And Jack Abbott never calls her character by name . . .
I've never seen that before, but I would guess it was for some sort of Daytime Emmy promo or some clip they showed at the actual ceremony, circa 2000 or 2001.
by Anonymous | reply 391 | May 6, 2024 1:57 AM |
The two ATWT-Y&R crossovers occurred because both shows were airing on CBS. The second one was specifically done because the network wanted to promote their new "innertube" (digital-streaming) series "L.A. Diaries." featuring "Alison Stuart" and "Amber Moore." .. The first one where Genoa City's ace attorney, Michael LaBaldwin, showed up in Oakdale to play savior in the J.J. Larrabee custody trial was more than likely a Barbara Bloom idea as well.
by Anonymous | reply 392 | May 6, 2024 2:08 AM |
I would have much preferred Felicia in Genoa City to Gretel/Rae.
by Anonymous | reply 393 | May 6, 2024 2:11 AM |
Hopefully the AW thingy went better than the Little House on the Prairie thing.
by Anonymous | reply 394 | May 6, 2024 3:34 AM |
Kelley Menighan Hensley (playing Allie's older sister Emily) was the "star" crossover from ATWT to the Young and the Restless during the Diaries story. But all three actors were used up quickly like giving them a story was too much hassle. Fans were hopeful the move could mean Lucinda or Barbara might turn up on a Bell show.
The move from Another World to World Turns in '99 was different, with fans complaining that AW characters were taking over their beloved show.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | May 6, 2024 7:32 AM |
I recall the best show noms that year (2000) at the DT EMmys were AMC OLTL GH and Y&R; since Dano was appearing on all three ABC shows they had her do something on those shows and they aired at the DT Emmys; kudos to Peter and CBS for breaking the wall and letting Gretel or Rae or whoever she was do something on the Y&R set; that's why it got the laugh; it was unexpected.
by Anonymous | reply 396 | May 6, 2024 4:47 PM |
Dano is a cunt for suggesting Bill Espy is gay, since he obviously showed no interest in fucking her. She looked like his granny.
by Anonymous | reply 397 | May 6, 2024 5:37 PM |
Remember in 1986 when YR was announced for Best Writing at the Daytime Emmys when it was actually supposed to go to GL?
Soap Opera Digest was indignant as YR was going through a masterful period and GL was in the slump before Pam Long returned. This was when Lujack left and there was some 1920s storyline happening whereas on YR the Kay/Jill feud was majorly reignited and Nikki had cancer.
by Anonymous | reply 398 | May 6, 2024 5:40 PM |
Espy had such a hot body.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | May 6, 2024 5:41 PM |
[quote]Espy had such a hot body.
Alas, that was his only talent.
by Anonymous | reply 400 | May 6, 2024 5:44 PM |
Espy was so dull. I never cared for Mitch Blake, he made Rachel and Felicia seem boring.
Actually I only liked one one of Felicia’s romantic partners, Zane.
by Anonymous | reply 401 | May 6, 2024 5:53 PM |
Espy was perfect as the brooding, secretive Snapper on Y&R, but yeah Mitch Blake became Mitch Bland when he got overly involved with Rachel and Felicia.
by Anonymous | reply 402 | May 6, 2024 7:55 PM |
Espy had the lowest energy of any actor I’ve ever seen on soaps. He murmured every single one of his lines. He sure was pretty, though. And I’m pretty sure he was gay.
by Anonymous | reply 403 | May 7, 2024 2:30 AM |
If it was Felicia at R386 she would have worn one of her trademark hats, and perhaps a boa too.
by Anonymous | reply 404 | May 7, 2024 4:21 AM |
Photos of the AW reunion on The Locher Room's FB page.
Anna Stuart looks adorably gray, and there's also shots of Anna Holbrook, Alice Barrett and John Bolger.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | May 7, 2024 10:18 PM |
Anna Holbrook looks a-fucking-mazing. So does Anita Gillette at 87 and Ariane Munker.
by Anonymous | reply 406 | May 7, 2024 10:55 PM |
Marj Dusay tribute is at the Locher Room tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 407 | May 9, 2024 4:39 AM |
Diva von Dish in the pages of Digest suggested that Felicia Gallant consider that "less is more" and to stop wearing hats three sizes too big for her head, dresses that looked like living room drapes, and furs that were the death of entire species.
by Anonymous | reply 408 | May 9, 2024 6:49 AM |
r405 and r406, I wonder if you can help me identify some of the actors. Who, for example is the man in the pink jacket in the third pic? Also, the two in the pic with Anna Stuart? Then, in the pic w/Alice Barrett, Anna Stuart, and John Bolger, who's standing between Anna and John?
TIA.
by Anonymous | reply 409 | May 9, 2024 7:01 AM |
Marj was a good lady, but I hated hated hated hated her as Alex and it colors the way I see the actress. She ruined Alex and I feel as an actress she didn’t even try to do her justice.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | May 9, 2024 10:30 AM |
The man in the pink jacket is Diego Serrano, who played Tomas Rivera.
With Anna Stuart is Geoff Pierson and Cali Timmons.
Standing between Anna Stuart and John Bolger is Paul Michael Valley, who played Ryan (Vicki's love interest and Carl's son).
by Anonymous | reply 411 | May 9, 2024 11:08 AM |
Diego Serrano has aged really well, but also kind of turned into Andy Garcia at some point.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | May 9, 2024 2:07 PM |
Where was Lady Eyes-A-Buggin'? Does she think she's above these kind of events or was she busy sculpting busts of Mac and Ada?
by Anonymous | reply 413 | May 10, 2024 7:34 PM |
I think that Victoria has left that part of her life behind her.
by Anonymous | reply 414 | May 10, 2024 7:38 PM |
She barely tolerated it when she was still there. Lady Eyes A Buggin would not DEIGN to speak of it or acknowledge any of those people!
*clutches pearls*
by Anonymous | reply 415 | May 10, 2024 8:03 PM |
She came to the Digest awards in 1994 and was all smiles and being very friendly.
One fan boy was gushing to her over Harding Lemay and his work on the show and his book; I heard Vicky made sure the guy got a copy of the book from Harding himself.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | May 11, 2024 7:14 AM |
is Judith Barcroft in the picture? She was the first Lenore;
I BAReLY remember her as a wee wee one sitting in court during the Wayne Addison murder trial; her own husband Walter SPOILER ALERT was both the killer and her attorney.
by Anonymous | reply 417 | May 11, 2024 7:23 AM |
Walter and that fucking SCARF
by Anonymous | reply 418 | May 12, 2024 3:51 AM |
Walter used to cry into the scarf night after night while Lenore was in prison awaiting trial.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | May 12, 2024 6:15 AM |
R418 and R419, Lemay wrote that he thought Watler had an odd fetish with that scarf.
I guess it meant whoever had it killed Wayne; it was used to wife fingerprints off that piece of sculpture that was used to club him over the head.
For a while, they had Liz Matthews (Nancy Wickwire?) flashback to picking up the sculpture but then they finally had her flash back to the follow throw; Wayne turned around in time and grabbed it from her.
HOW DO I REMEMBER THIS??? I was like 8 or 9???
by Anonymous | reply 420 | May 12, 2024 7:15 AM |
Thank you so much, r411. I would never have guessed Diego Rivera or Cali Timmins. And as much as I love Judi Evans, Cali *was* Paulina Cory. I knew I recognized Paul Michael Valley's face, but my, look what 30 years will do.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | May 12, 2024 7:32 AM |
PMV has also been battling cancer
by Anonymous | reply 422 | May 12, 2024 7:51 AM |
From the magazine link above:
[quote]If This Isn't Status, What Is? Mary Stuart is one of the few actresses on daytime television who is allowed to choose her own wardrobe; 2-pages of candid photos (nine total)
This just made me giggle like a school girl for some reason. Oh Mary!
by Anonymous | reply 423 | May 12, 2024 2:03 PM |
😮.
by Anonymous | reply 424 | May 13, 2024 3:29 AM |
This was mentioned on the GH thread. [quote]Also, when Laura Wright jumped ship from GL to GH, both Cynthia Preston and Jensen Buchanan were up for Cassie, before they chose Nicole Forester.
I've never heard either were up for Reva's sister before.
I can't picture Jensen as Cassie. Besides, would GL have paid to helicopter her into work?
Cynthia Preston would been interesting in the role. Would certainly have brought the fierce to the part. I'd have loved to see her go up against Kim Zimmer.
by Anonymous | reply 425 | May 13, 2024 5:39 PM |
Well, that didn't get formatted correctly. Let's try posting it again.
This was mentioned on the GH thread:
[quote]Also, when Laura Wright jumped ship from GL to GH, both Cynthia Preston and Jensen Buchanan were up for Cassie, before they chose Nicole Forester.
I've never heard either were up for Reva's sister before.
I can't picture Jensen as Cassie. Besides, would GL have paid to helicopter her into work?
Cynthia Preston would been interesting in the role. Would certainly have brought the fierce to the part. I'd have loved to see her go up against Kim Zimmer.
by Anonymous | reply 426 | May 13, 2024 5:41 PM |
I hated Cassie. Sarah Shayne would have gone to H.B. and asked for money before giving a baby away.
Plus, her cheating on Hawk, even tho he was no prize, made no sense.e
The City writers came up with this role as a vehicle for Laura.
I will never understand the fascination folks in the biz have with LW.
by Anonymous | reply 427 | May 15, 2024 6:22 AM |
[quote] I will never understand the fascination folks in the biz have with LW.
Someone in the industry thought she was a blonde Julia Roberts. She's been nothing but a time eating, story eating drain on every show she's been a part of, full stop.
by Anonymous | reply 428 | May 15, 2024 2:07 PM |
A Soap Opera Weekly Locher room next week.....
by Anonymous | reply 429 | May 15, 2024 3:26 PM |
Anybody watch the Doug Wert appearance on The Locher Room? Highlights?
by Anonymous | reply 430 | May 15, 2024 10:47 PM |
R430- It was great- What a GREAT guy!!! It was a little more about my show OLTL vs ATWT- but he talked about ATWT in the 2nd half--
Incredibly nice guy who has been through some shit, but has an incredibly great attitude-
He talked about Andrea Evans- he did not even know that she passed away!!!
Volunteered at Ground Zero!!!!
Got Kidney Cancer and recovered- due to Ground Zero- And Andrea reached out to him having had Cancer!!! (This is before her reocurrance)
His story about Paul Rauch was something else... Doug came up with the Fraternity Row idea- Paul stole it and was more of a cunt then I ever knew.
Doug is moving back to NYC from Asheville NC soon-
He is straight and says he has always moved- for a woman. It was funny-
by Anonymous | reply 431 | May 16, 2024 1:07 AM |
It was perplexing they never brought Roxie back instead of inventing Cassie. GL made some strange choices back in the 90s. Not bringing Beth back when Nick was on the show. WHYYYYYY? The amount of story that would have generated would have been off the charts. Beth/Nick vs Phillip/Harley!
I never found Beth Ehlers pretty or sexy (I’m gay, but she was not sexy). I found her voice shrill. I thought it was a mistake putting her front and center so much. As much as people say GL was the Reva show, it was the Harley show for a while.
by Anonymous | reply 432 | May 16, 2024 10:09 PM |
The Vintage Beefcake poster curiously decided to post about Rick Porter, of all people.
(I say that because most of his posts are really beefcake types and I wouldn't quite put RP in that category.)
by Anonymous | reply 433 | May 17, 2024 1:18 AM |
R432 yes there were so many missed opportunities.
VI as Nick left and Grant returned a few days later - would it have killed them to have a few scenes together?
Harley was back in town for the better part of two years before the show finally remembered that, oh yeah, she and Dinah knew each other.....
by Anonymous | reply 434 | May 17, 2024 1:19 AM |
R434 I assume they didn’t figure it was wise to stir it up when VI was leaving. However, they could have had Phillip and Beth go to prison in ‘91 (Beth obviously getting a lighter sentence), then have Beth come back while Nick was with Mindy and FIREWORKS!!!!!!!!!!!! Then Phillip comes back and FIREWORKS!!!!!!!! I suspect they could have gotten Grant back sooner. This wasted opportunity hurt. Badly.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | May 17, 2024 2:14 AM |
R432 I liked Harley a lot in her initial run. She had great chemistry with everyone and was the only character I really thought could have given Reva a run for her money for Josh's heart.
I did like the beginning of the Philip/Harley romance (when she came back) but it never should have been a long term thing, and her coupling with Gus was repulsive.
by Anonymous | reply 436 | May 17, 2024 2:18 AM |
Gus should have been Rita’s son. He comes to Springfield wondering if his birth father is Ed or Alan.
by Anonymous | reply 437 | May 17, 2024 2:23 AM |
No, her and Phillip worked so well as friends. Really good friends. Beth E is just not “hot” material. Harley was fine as a character, but they tried to push her too much and she became a sanctimonious bore. I think her and Beth should have ended up friends, not enemies.
Don’t get me started on how they slaughtered Beth as a character. They redeemed her in the end, her villainous slide could have been handled much more effectively with better writers. I’ll never understand why they felt they needed to go in the direction they did with a tent pole, iconic character like Beth. On that note, did anyone notice in the Locher Room with Vincent and Judi, when Alan asked if Judi ever watched Beth Chamberlin as Beth, Judi said yes and said acted confused saying she was two characters? Judi seemed jealous as hell because you know she would have LOVED to have played Beth as a split personality. Also, weird that Judi in a later Locher Room said she never said Beth C play Beth. Hmmmm
by Anonymous | reply 438 | May 17, 2024 2:26 AM |
In a six-month span of time, August 1990 to February 1991, GL had five of its major stars who played its most popular character leave -- Reva, Josh, Rick, Phillip and Beth.
In July 1991, JFP started as the new EP. Determined to prove herself after being fired as EP of Santa Barbara a year earlier, JFP wanted to make GL her show and do it her way. She started a new renaissance, a new golden age. We all recall how incredible her GL was from 1991-1992.
However, while JFP was EP, both Grant and Kim Zimmer expressed interest in returning to GL and she ignored their requests. She didn't want to bring back any of the old ultra-popular characters. She wanted to make the show a success with the characters who were already on the canvas, make a success seeing her vision come to life.
It wasn't until October 1993, that JFP relented on the no old characters can return edict. With the news that Luke and Laura were headed back to Port Charles, JFP finally relented and brought back Robert Newman as Josh. Of course, at the same time, she also brought in Marcy Walker to play Josh's love interest, Tangie Hill.
About six months later, she let Michael O'Leary come back as Rick.
Then on April 25, 1995, she let Kim Zimmer return for a short-term stint (about 8 weeks) as a ghost of Reva. Shortly after that, JFP was fired and moved to AW to be EP. Once JFP was gone, Reva returned to life showing her having amnesia living among the Amish.
Grant finally returned on March 8, 1996 (two weeks after Vincent Irizarry left on Feb. 26, 1996), but that was while Michael Laibson was EP.
Beth Raines finally returned in Nov. 1997 while Paul Rauch was EP.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | May 17, 2024 2:58 AM |
I understood people calling it The Reva Show but I never got it.
The show was also Alex and India and Maureen and Vanessa and Beth and Mindy.
The show had great men too: Alan, Phillip, Ross, Ed... Fletcher
As for the 90s the show made several mistakes. I would not have killed Maureen off as the show had lost Mindy, Blake and Alexandera; WHY get rid of a matriarch who wants to stay.?
The bigger mistakes were not bringing back Claire or Hope to fill Maureen's void. Other 90s mistakes were not bringing back Kathleen Cullen as Amanda. Tobey Poer was too young, she would have been fine inn another role. But she was not Amanda.
All of Jill's hires stood out like sore thumbs. Marj was too hammy as Alex despite a promising beginning. Deas was scenery chewing. And Tangie Hill? What a mistake.
GL should have gone back to the basics like it did in 1986 when it got Bernau, Simon, Grant, and Newman back on board. Hire some past faves Dig into history. And I don't mean the Marianne Carruthers type history. Every day I was like that's Susan Piper!
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by Anonymous | reply 440 | May 17, 2024 3:15 AM |
Gus had all the wrong coloring for Ed or Alan; they made his mother the Italian made we never saw.
Around that time, Alan had his hands filled with Jackie, Diane, Hope, and Elizabeth.
These soaps are going away or have gone away because networks hire people who don't know them to write them for people who do.
by Anonymous | reply 441 | May 17, 2024 3:17 AM |
[quote] In July 1991, JFP started as the new EP. Determined to prove herself after being fired as EP of Santa Barbara a year earlier, JFP wanted to make GL her show and do it her way. She started a new renaissance, a new golden age. We all recall how incredible her GL was from 1991-1992
You have most of it right in your post, but the renaissance was really about Nancy Curlee, Stephen Demorest and Jim Reilly. They had a fantastic story in place that was playing out in 1991 before JFP took the reins mid year. It was really their work that was the renaissance, JFP supported them and it carried through 1992, even with the loss of McKinsey and Simms.
It was only in 1993, when Maureen's death happened as well as a number of budget cuts, the hiring of Justin Deas, and the loss of several other players hit, that things went off track.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | May 17, 2024 4:00 AM |
R442, you nailed it.
it's like Gh under Monty; from 1978 to fall 1981 (maybe less), she had Doug Marland and then Pat Falken Smith.
after that, it was a series of writers she had more control over and the show ran on the popularity of the reigns of Marland and Smith.
by Anonymous | reply 443 | May 17, 2024 5:18 AM |
I wonder what Tom is really packing.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | May 18, 2024 2:30 PM |
If an actor, say a Matthew Modine, happens to be phallically gifted, is he allowed to display his real schlong? This happens so infrequently, I don't know what the rules are.
by Anonymous | reply 447 | May 18, 2024 7:36 PM |
what's the difference between Theo James showing a dong or Pelphrey showing a fake dong and porn?
Better plots?
Real dicks?
by Anonymous | reply 448 | May 18, 2024 8:55 PM |
R448 Well, for one thing, that fake dong Pelphrey's wearing in the clip looks only slightly more real than one of Olivia Spencer's strap-ons.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | May 18, 2024 9:36 PM |
[quote]It was perplexing they never brought Roxie back instead of inventing Cassie.
Wasn't Cassie originally envisioned as a dual role for Kim Zimmer?
by Anonymous | reply 450 | May 18, 2024 9:40 PM |
First Oakdale resident: Hmmm, where should we have dinner tonight?
Other Oakdale resident: How about the Mona Lisa?
First Oakdale resident: Great idea! Mona Lisa it is!
(Where the hell else were they going to go? It was the only restaurant set.)
by Anonymous | reply 451 | May 18, 2024 9:59 PM |
^ The Plakka?
by Anonymous | reply 452 | May 18, 2024 10:11 PM |
R441
“Gus had all the wrong coloring for Ed or Alan; they made his mother the Italian made we never saw.”
I agree. What I meant, I’m R437, wasn’t really about the actor or even the character of Gus, per se. I just always thought, from the time that Rita was sidelined, that there would inevitably be a grown child coming to Springfield asking Ed and Alan, “Which one of you bitches is my father?”ala Lace.
by Anonymous | reply 453 | May 18, 2024 10:15 PM |
Not capitalizing on the Rita thing was yet another missed opportunity. Gus could have been her son. Olivia could have been her daughter with Ed. Or the scenario described above.....someone comes into town with a secret and is around Ed, Alan and Roger and then says, which one of you bastards is my father?
by Anonymous | reply 454 | May 19, 2024 12:05 AM |
The last Rita mention was in 1986 when Ed and Alan were arguing about Rick; Alan wanted him sued for malpractice after Phillip was shot, I think. Ed said to Alan this isn't about Rick -- it's about me.
"Ree-tah! is ancient history," snarked Alan.
Lenore had gone off to be on Santa Barbara and work for the Dobsons again; it's too bad she didn't come back to GL.
by Anonymous | reply 455 | May 19, 2024 5:31 AM |
I am so impressed that you were able to find the exact episode with the mention R455.
by Anonymous | reply 456 | May 19, 2024 2:36 PM |
Peter Simon was actually low key hot in those scenes! He didn't look so much like a defeated shadow as he did in later runs as Ed.
by Anonymous | reply 457 | May 19, 2024 2:53 PM |
[quote]Or the scenario described above.....someone comes into town with a secret and is around Ed, Alan and Roger and then says, which one of you bastards is my father?
Would have loved, loved, loved to see that scene. Would have been tremendous. So soapy and delicious!
However, there was only small window when that could have happened -- only a narrow time frame when all three characters were on that show at the same time.
Could have only happened between 1995 and 1998.
Alan didn't get out of jail and return to town until 1995.
Roger was gone for good by 1998, with Michael Zaslow last playing the part in April 1997; and then Dennis Parlato playing him for the final year.
And Ed was only there sporadically during that time with Peter Simon leaving in June1996 and Robert Gentry coming back in September 1997.
by Anonymous | reply 458 | May 20, 2024 1:15 AM |
Swimming in the Synder Pond seems like a great way to get a brain-eating amoeba.
by Anonymous | reply 459 | May 20, 2024 2:33 AM |
On this day in 1983, the end of Alma. I think Alma Rudder was the only good thing about the 1982.
by Anonymous | reply 460 | May 20, 2024 3:06 PM |
I used to live for the moments when Dusty Donovan or Holden Snyder would go skinny dipping at the Snyder pond.
But believe me, those boys were nothing compared to Seth Snyder's foot long donger......
by Anonymous | reply 461 | May 20, 2024 8:28 PM |
[quote]I think Alma Rudder was the only good thing about the 1982.
Certainly the most entertaining thing about the dreadful 1982.
However, that was also the year that Cass Winthrop came to Bay City. So, something good did come of it.
I was disappointed they didn't expand Alma's villainy past Blaine and Cecil to other people in town. She could have made a great long-term villain.
by Anonymous | reply 462 | May 20, 2024 10:16 PM |
Seth and Hank really could have been a power couple.
by Anonymous | reply 463 | May 21, 2024 1:58 AM |
Hank's hole was gaped enough to accommodate Seth's schlonger.
by Anonymous | reply 464 | May 21, 2024 3:07 AM |
But not Phillip’s.
by Anonymous | reply 465 | May 21, 2024 3:37 AM |
Cue the article troll to say his hole was THE guiding light…
by Anonymous | reply 466 | May 21, 2024 5:04 AM |
Cue scene where Hank is huffing on poppers, telling Seth and Philip he wants to try DP......
by Anonymous | reply 467 | May 21, 2024 3:41 PM |
It's probably time for a new thread and I just saw this one, so let's migrate to Oakdale, shall we?
We will return to our marvelous theme at another time.
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