Question about British Men

Excessive drinking and smoking.

The closet kills

I've noticed it in quite a few British actors over the years. Many of them tend to die when they are only in their 60's. Look at what happened to David Hemmings. A few decades ago he was young and slender and played leading man roles. Then by the time he became middle-aged, he could no longer get lead roles and had to play supporting parts because he became so fat. A couple of years after appearing in Gladiator he died at only age 62.

Too much inbreeding. That's never healthy for a species.%0D %0D It's mostly in the genes.

Cary Elwes is the next one I worry about. He could follow in the path of David Hemmings. Look at what has happened to Cary since "the Princess Bride":

Fried Mars bars.

[italic]Excessive drinking and smoking.[/italic] Bingo!

Michael Billington%0D %0D From this:

To this:

Nice hairy chest, R8

Plastic surgery-obsessed America no longer knows what natural aging looks like. They're like Michael York in Logan's Run when he sees facial wrinkles for the first time in his life.

I think they have bad skin,they should have nice skin because they don't get much sun.

More Michael for you,r10-

They become very pink.

[quote]they should have nice skin because they don't get much sun. That may actually be the problem: not enough Vitamin D.

There's something to this. A lot of Brits in my profession seem to die astonishingy early in American terms. But the ones who move here don't.

They definitely age differently. Excessive liquor is the major reason. The Vitamin D deficiency point is an excellent one. Lack of exercise does the rest. Look at James Hewitt. He lives in Spain now, and if it wasn't for their sun he'd be looking gin pink & semi-dropsical like so many. The Daily Mail published his hookup pics the other day. Maybe someone can post.

British women also have massive tits. So the diet has much explaining to do.

Anyone else here who has info on what caused David Hemmings' rapid deterioration?

They're not a terribly attractive people to begin with. So add in smoking, drinking, rainy weather, and probably a poor diet and you have early deaths and ugliness.

There are some hot young actors though, R20. They aren't all ugly.

read this book it explains...alcohol all day every day

It's interesting that out of that group of actors, Peter O'Toole has managed to survive.

[quote]There are some hot young actors though, [R20]. They aren't all ugly.%0D %0D Freaks of nature, or not genetically English.

I lived in London for 5 years, and thought I could handle a hard-partying lifestyle. These people were unbelievable--the drinking, drugs and smoking--and then tossing a chicken korma on top of it all before going to bed. THen a lovely piece of fried bread in the morning.%0D %0D Plus no fluoride in the water (bad teeth are very aging), and the general pervasive 'tall poppy' syndrome (depression working its way out in drunken violence). %0D %0D It's a tough fucking country. I *loved* it but whew. . .when I returned to NYC I missed London terribly, but also looked around and realized here in Manhattan I needed to drop some weight and get a proper haircut again.

Peter O'Toole is not British. He is Irish, Galway bred and born. That explains why he's still alive, R23.

There are some hot young actors though, [R20]. They aren't all ugly.

The problem is their hotness has a very brief window. Most of them hit the wall by the time they're 30. It's all the drink and drugs. Different culture. Ewan McGregor said when he first came to Hollywood everybody in LA thought he was an alcoholic, but to him it was normal.

You're saying Irish men live longer, R26?

The food in Ireland is much, much better--fresher and less fried crap. I don't know why the English think it's somehow amusing and defiant (to whom??) to eat fried fake food all the goddamn time.

I have an English friend whose hard-partying son went to visit his relatives in England. He was excited to hang out with his cousins who were around his age. Even HE couldn't believe how much they drank. It was too much for him.%0D %0D It's a nation of piss tanks.

Are any British guys going to defend themselves?Or are they just resigned to to their future?

R29, hasn't Peter O'Toole spent most of his life in England?

[quote]Are any British guys going to defend themselves?Or are they just resigned to to their future? No, you're just talking ill-informed rubbish so what's the point of even trying.

It probably happens as soon as they move Stateside.

Jude Law owns this thread.

R33, you can't deny the fact that the UK has a lot of problems with drinking, smoking and obesity. The British themselves are talking about it in their own newspapers.

Anthony Head is English and still looks good, not as young as he did when on Buffy but Buffy was several years ago now. Hugh Laurie doesn't look that bad either though I hate his new hair.

It's the drinking and smoking.%0D %0D Also, the excessive curtsying every time they see a royal. That has got to take it's toll. %0D

the women too...Gemma Arterton is on the first page of IMDB at the moment and it is shocking how quick she went from Bond girl to fat frau

Bryan Ferry is a good looking older English guy

r36, just how more prevalent is drinking, obesity, drug-taking and smoking in England compared to the US? The US certainly has much higher rates of obesity than England.

I don't think so R39, she still looks hot. Put her in the right dress, and she would be smoking

British women are energy vampires, however drab about it they can be.

Peter O'Toole has kept a primary residence in Galway since the early 1960s but I suspect he has spent more time in his place in London.

I had a friend move to the Isle of Skye. He visited friends just outside of London and he said that all the men were swimming in booze from getting up to falling down. He was amazed.

what are energy vampires

There was a just a news story out today saying that obesity has become a big problem in the UK. 500,000 people are currently waiting for lipo-suction and it has become the fastest-growing surgery in the country.

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I'm glad you're fighting back.

R48, it was reported on serious news networks as well, not just the tabloids. It's obviously a serious problem in the UK.

And yet despite seeing the report on "serious news networks" you still managed to totally mangle the facts, r50.

Let it go, R51. I may have made a mistake about the 500,000 people, but that doesn't change the fact that obesity is a huge problem in the UK and that many people are having lipo-suction.

Hugh Grant's about 50 and still looks good. I'm sure there are many others.

Indeed, r52, your continued inability to differentiate obesity surgery from lipo-suction doesn't change the fact obesity is a huge problem in UK.

[quote]I'm glad you're fighting back. Fuck off, you patronising little git! People like you, and every other ignorant arsehole on this thread, are the reason we don't get involved in this bollocks.

English men are dreamy. And crooked teeth and jug ears are sexy. Thank God they don't fix 'em.

Probably because in the end drinking is more fun than narcissism. Churchill enjoyed a glass or two with his breakfast. Hitchens said he'd do it all again - he burned the candle at both ends, because it gave a lovely light. There are more gyms around now, but the pub culture is centuries old. And we love it. Cheers!

[quote]Probably because in the end drinking is more fun than narcissism. Nonsense!

The excessive drinking,lack of sun, pollution, and genes

It's inferred that American men are 'hotter' than British men in this thread, just beacause fat, ugly people don't make it on to TV or in films in America. You have more than your fair share.

There's a lot of rubbish on this thread.

Like R33 said (Hello!), there's barely any point in answering back to these stereotypes, but I have a few spare minutes before I have breakfast (not fried, btw!), so what the hell.

The first thing wrong with OP's supposition are the semantics of the question. There is no such thing as the "British character" despite what the Daily Fail would have you believe. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland exists only politically. Britain is the bit which is made of three separate countries, all very much different from one another.

Let's start with the first and most obvious one. England. Whilst English men do have a slight tendency towards excessive drinking and smoking, it's not universal. This is more your working classes and younger, single, middle class types. The idea that we all enjoy a fried breakfast is nonsense. And for the most part, the drinking is confined to weekends. This is probably part of the problem- so-called 'binge drinking' when you compare us to France, for example, who drink more moderately, all the time, especially wine, which doesn't pickle you unless you drink it like Eddie and Patsy when they were on holiday in said country. Having said that, life expectancy is on the increase in England thanks to improving diets, a reduction in the number of excessive smokers and smoking generally and of course, our still (just) excellent NHS.

Then you have Scotland. People tend to have lower life expectancy there because it's so fucking grey, grim and depressing. There are more alcoholics, their diet is 10 times worse than the English (they invented the fried Mars bar) and they have higher rates of poverty owing to the lack of industry (wiped out in the 70s and 80s) compared with the past (ship-building, for example).

After that, there's Wales. From what I can gather, people are healthier there- probably due to it largely being more agrarian and post-industrial. So, more like Ireland, but without the national tendency to like a tipple.

Northern Ireland has its own problems which probably skew all their data so isn't really worth talking about (sorry if you're from there).

So you see, there is no 'Britain' really, except politically. They're all very different- and mashing them together is unhelpful. Just like you couldn't say that all Americans are fat, ignorant, boorish and aggressive.

I would posit that the main reason some don't age well is because we're in the North of Europe, and short of people who live in climates where the weather is so cold it probably preserves them(!) like Iceland and Norway, this has a detrimental effect on the ageing process unless one is lucky enough (like me) to have the sort of genes that make you look 3-5 years younger than you actually are.

Lack of sunshine and a temperate (WET!) climate, being worked too hard (there is no doubt in my mind this is related to our recent 'binge-drinking' culture), and a general deterioration in the state of the nation (THANKS, neoliberalism!) are what make a lot of English men (traditionally- more work out now and moisturise and stuff) age quicker after 35 than their compatriots in say, the Med, and that's all there is to it.

And now for my tongue in cheek comment. When it comes to drinking, you yanks are pussies compared to us Europeans. Your beer is like piss, and comes in half-pints. And most of you don't even understand the simple joys of a gin and tonic. I imagine this has its roots in your original Puritan forefathers :P

THANKFULLY, where we're concerned, I don't think this premature ageing will continue for much longer because more and more men are less scared of looking after their skin, and keeping trim. In the past that was seen as poofy but this isn't the case now.

One has only to look at our 60 year olds (like my dad) today compared to 30 years ago to see the difference. I would argue the drinking is less of a problem than you believe it to be. Most people cut that down in their 30s, and consequently prosper on it. It's only the alcoholics that fuck up their looks.

Anyone who drinks for most of their 20's is going to age more quickly than someone who didn't, regardless of whether they stopped in their 30's or not. I know so many gays who say they stopped partying when they hit 30, as if it saved from the excesses... It'll show up on their faces when they're 50, though.

I'd address R60's comment, but he's probably too busy swinging wildly across the sexual orientation spectrum to return here.

Why does drinking age people?What if you are healthy in every other way?

[quote]Fuck off, you patronising little git! People like you, and every other ignorant arsehole on this thread, are the reason we don't get involved in this bollocks.%0D %0D Git. Arsehole. Bollocks.%0D %0D You've realy got the English thing down, haven't you ?

Your liver has to process the alcohol, R64, and this creates oxidative stress. This, in turn, leads to aging.

Thanks R62

Brits have humongous cocks. I have yet to meet a Brit with tiny meat.

[quote]When it comes to drinking, you yanks are pussies compared to us Europeans. Your beer is like piss, and comes in half-pints. And most of you don't even understand the simple joys of a gin and tonic. I imagine this has its roots in your original Puritan forefathers :P %0D %0D It's really something to be proud of isn't it dear?

Not just British men. Men generally age terribly since they don't take good care of themselves.

For every Sean Connery there are 40 million men who don't age well.

Most male actors don't age well.

All the tea turns their bloodstream acid and their body has to borrow calcium from their teeth and bones to correct the pH. Add vitamin D deficiency to that and you have major trouble.%0D %0D Americans have similar but slightly different trouble, namely soda instead of tea and salt intake about ten times what is healthy.%0D

R27 Ewan McGregor is a Scot. When I was at uni I flat shared with a guy from London, and he said that while the drugs (coke, weed) culture was more prevalent in London people drank more in Scotland. And I mean drinking drinking, to get wasted, every weekend. Drinking so much you black out or did something you regret on a regular basis was not uncommon, especially amomg teenagers.

There is a reason the Scots and the Irish are stereotyped in that way.

R60 Is correct. British dramas take a more "realist" approach to casting. And don't forget, you Americans tend to be obsessive towards the other end of the scale- plastic surgery and the like.

Having lived in both places, I would say that the drinking in England is in its own class. It is common to drink every single day of the year. And there is much more smoking than in the US. So all of this does take a toll on youthful appearance.

But I've also found a refreshing lack of vanity among the English and a down to earth quality among middle aged English. They seem happier to leave youth to the young. It isn't seen as some kind of terrible shame to age. It's really refreshing.

{quote]And don't forget, you Americans tend to be obsessive towards the other end of the scale- plastic surgery and the like.%0D %0D Got that from television, did you? Surely you realize most Americans do not get plastic surgery. It's a luxury for the rich.

I know R75, but using the example of what is seen on television.

I thought it was all the fog, the cliffs, and water. Walk half a mile outdoors and you'll injure yourself. "wherefore art thou goest, Beastle?" "Out for a jaunt, Elspit." ~walk, walk, walk "Ooh, a craggy moor". Thonk! Arghhh! That will bust up and age anyone's shit in a hurry!

There's something to be said for the type of English genetics and looks that don't age well. Some of you are gorgeous in your youth, but with the kind of skin and fine features that gravity will quickly ravage, especially since you run to fat. That's me to a tee. I'm unrecognizable now.%0D %0D And English show biz is full of people the American business would never hire, because they're too normal/ugly. I like seeing a range of rather normal people. There's also the sense that it's vain and ridiculous to care overly for your looks.%0D %0D %0D %0D

What's the name of that really high calorie drink sold in Scotland? I think it's a type of soda.

I've been watching a British tv series, and the guys are seriously hot. I don't know about aging and stuff, but young British men in their best years look VERY good!

I love ayb. I love my Brit twitter followers. I love my Brit Ethics prof who is at least in his 40's and looks lean and fit, even tho he drinks like a fish.

Are you thinking of Irn Bru R79? It's sold all over the UK I think. All fizzy juice is high calorie if you ask me.

[quote]What's the name of that really high calorie drink sold in Scotland? I think it's a type of soda.

Irn-Bru.

Let's emphasize a few points to emphasize the stupidity of OP and his supporters:

(1) If you look at American men as a whole, most of them age as "badly" as people from any country. If you're looking at American celebrities, it's NOT just plastic surgery. It's a massive coverup of aging, starting with hair dying, hair plugs, wigs, makeup, facial peels, etc. that mask the aging.

Most television stars hired in their late 20s and early 30s start the hair dye and keep it throughout the run of a show so that they won't seem to have aged through their series. The Friends actors are a case in point.

Hollywood demands it. Britain doesn't. Do you really think Tom Cruise has no grey hair? Have you seen Brad Pitt up close? Clooney is aging more naturally, and it shows.

(2) A lot of "British" stars are, like American stars, more famous when they're young, and it's their boyish appeal that draws the attention and is hard to sustain. Those that aren't basing their fame on that don't "lose" their looks. Ewan McGregor looked great in The Ghost Writer. Colin Firth is another. Patrick Stewart aged quite handsomely (Do you not remember his near nude scene in Star Trek?), as did Ian McKellen, Rupert Everett, and more.

I saw Gemma Arterton in a movie just yesterday called The Disappearance of Alice Creed. She had some nude shots and she looked fine. Some women look a little plump with clothes but look fine naked. The scary ones are the ones with bones sticking out clothed like Angelina Jolie. I'll bet she is butt ugly undressed.

It's their diet - very fatty and not at all nutritious.

r84, Rupert Everett did not "age quite handsomely."

I recall years back meeting my sisters boyfriend. Irish Catholic and drank like a fish. Seriously, I can put em' down but this kid could drink me under a table.

The other hard drinking group that I worked with was the prosecutors from the State AG's office when I worked there. Damnation those folks drown their sorrows big time.

Rupert has not aged naturally,he's had a lot of plastic surgery.

Ewan McGregor & Sean Connery are Scottish. A lot of Americans say British when they mean English.

I had a German boss once who was a booz hound. He could out-drink anyone. To him it was a normal part of any dinner meeting or business social event to get completely shit-faced. He mocked the rest of us for being light-weights. Are Germans big drinkers too, or was he an exception?

Wha?

[quote] Are Germans big drinkers too, or was he an exception?

I didn't want to get involved in this thread as I've been enjoying all the hilarious generalisations, but actually, if you look at the EU drinking tables we're around number 15. Alcohol consumption in the UK has also been dropping for the past few years. If you want to talk about binge drinkers look to the Czech Republic, Hungary, etc. Germans also drink more than the Brits, but they too are drinking less. As for smoking, I believe the USA has more smokers than the UK, but go right ahead with the national stereotypes.

"As for smoking, I believe the USA has more smokers than the UK, but go right ahead with the national stereotypes.%0D %0D %0D R93, care to back up your belief with some facts. Link?%0D %0D If you're talking about a greater number, well, duh....there are a lot more people in the US. If you're talking percentages, what are they? %0D %0D %0D

It's around 22% in both countries

You brits need to stop sulking. Who cares if DLers think brits don't age well as long as YOU do. Take care of yourself and be the exception.%0D %0D Hey, everyone knows americans are fat. I don't care. It just makes ME look more attractive.

R94, it's 21% for both countries. However, your figures only include people over 18. Our figures are a little more realistic and include 16 and 17 year olds. You'll find the US figures here: cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/smoking.htm and the UK figures at the link:

R90, what's your point? We're supposed to applaud American stupidity to give OP a point, which he still doesn't have?

Hugh Grant and Colin Firth are both 50 this year, and English. Hugh Laurie just ahead of them. Jeremy Northam, Clive Owen, Joseph Fiennes (English) and John Barrowman (Scot) are in their 40s. All are aging well.

And personally, I think Jude still looks pretty great, from all the beach appearances he made this past year.

And Patrick Stewart still turns me on.

Leonard Whiting (ROMEO & JULIET) is a great example of an absolutely gorgeous young man who was a bloated, balding mess by the time he was 25.

I've been living in London since 1988 from NY.%0D %0D When I first came here the men you saw around town were so much more attractive in general than they were in New York. Especially the working class men in comparison to the working class men in NY. Kevin the plumber was much sexier than Joey the beefy plumber from the Bronx.%0D %0D Back then fashions were more flattering. In general guys wore jackets and jackets and ties, even casually. Nice overcoats. They let their hair grow longer.%0D %0D Then came the hideous fashions of the late 90s, that have never gone away. All the black shirts and black clothes (not flattering to the British complexion). The overly short haircuts, even shaved heads! Baggy pants. The increased availability of junk food and fast food. Complete abandonment of stylish clothes for men. Increase of the booze culture.

Right, R99, and Val Kilmer, Matthew Broderick, Matt Le Blanc and Leonardo Di Caprio have all remained cut and buff.

Its been proven we Italians age well, but its not only British men, i have seen worse in America & germany

If you remove the tan and unnaturally white teeth, the vast majority of well-bred American men look exactly the same as their British counterparts.

This fight between the British and the Americans is ludicrous. Let's unite against a common enemy: those fucking Canadians.

Italian men are a striking example of aging badly, in the sense of so many being stunningly beautiful when young, and quickly going to seed and losing their hair.%0D %0D How average-to-slightly-above-average-looking ([R99]) people age is a different topic.

R101, obviously there are people like that in every country, and it's a problem in the USA too, but this thread is about why British men seem to deteriorate so rapidly.

What's with the shaved head thing with them? I've noticed the ex-pats in my local brewery all have shaved heads no matter what age.

"Anyone who drinks for most of their 20's is going to age more quickly" That's why I think it's so crazy that all of these actors are such big drinkers and smokers. Don't they realize it is damaging the looks that are such a big part of their career?

ALLLLLLL British men have short shelf lives. When they're young, they're often gorgeous. But for some reason, time becomes a cuntess of Cheryl proportions when she's visiting the UK!!!

Isn't David Tennant about to turn 40 in a year or two? He still looks pretty good.

There's no point in turning this conversation into a pissing contest. Yes, the United States has its share of fat and ugly men, but the UK is particularly troubling. It seems like a man can't make it out of his 30s without looking like he was rode hard and put away wet. The Brits don't age well...period. There's no need in getting so defensive!!!

Look at how much weight some of the British actors put on as they get older. I've noticed it with several of the Doctor Who actors. eg. Colin Baker, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Nicholas Courtney.

Actress Felicity Kendall still looks good and still has a full head of bouncy hair, she's at least 62-63.

The lead singer from Squeeze, Glenn Tillbrook looks great.

I saw Squeeze on "Regis & Kelly" a few weeks ago. He is well into his 50s, he still has a full head of hair and his face is still very youthful. Squeeze were big boozers, I worked in the music biz, I heard about different bands and their addictions and general bad habits.

Squeeze's drummer Gilson went into re-hab for alcoholism, he's since re=joined the band, he even looked good, I was shocked to see how slim he now is. As far as I know, Squeeze never moved to the US, they are still in the UK.

Genes play a big role on how substances and alcohol affect us, I have friend who drinks like a fish, he has better skin than a woman! He's 56 and has been drinking since he was around 16-17. He did quit smoking about 15 years ago.

I think the drinking and smoking theory is a pretty sound one. When you smoke several packs a day, every day, and drink like it's going out of style for decades in your 20s and 30s, it's going to hit your looks some time in your late 40s and make you look suddenly 70 when you're only 50.

Does this also apply to british blacks?

"Does this also apply to british blacks?" No, 'black don't crack', no matter what country you were born in or live in. Look at Naomi Campbell, she's a druggie and a drinker. Shirley Bassey looks amazing, I don't know if she did drugs, but there is always some sort of boozing going on in the entertainment industry. Alcohol is served at all the events musicians have to attend etc. Shirley is Welsh.

Or Asians, Chinese, people of other European, Middle Eastern or American ancestry?

And what about all us mixed race Brits? Which is probably a majority. If whiter than white Rupert Penry-Jones have Indian ancestors then most people can.

[quote]Whilst English men do have a slight tendency towards excessive drinking and smoking, it's not universal. This is more your working classes and younger, single, middle class types.

Of course it is, dear!

Re. Dr Who: Christopher Ecclestone (fiftyish?) has aged well, but then I think he runs marathons. He's buff enough to have got all his kit off recently in the Lennon biopic on TV.

In light of this thread, it breaks my heart to think what Henry Cavill will look like in 20 years.

Yes, R120 - Eccleston still looks okay, but he is a recent Doctor Who. I'm talking about the ones who are older. Tom Baker and Colin Baker are both obese now, and Peter Davison is also getting quite heavy.

R121, hopefully Henry Cavill won't go downhill the way Cary Elwes has.

Cavill isn't British. He's a Channel Islander.

To be fair, that's a horrible picture of a horrible gesture from Elwes. He was on "Psych" last year, and while he was definitely chubbier, I thought he looked really good.

He's considered British, R123. He has British roots and a British accent. R124, Elwes is almost obese nowadays. You should see some of the threads at IMDB were people are begging him to lose weight:

A lot of these guys would still look good, if they lost the pounds.

Are you serious about Cary Elwes? If he loses weight, he'd look great. He still has his hair and his skin looks great to me, he's wrinkle free. His is simply a weight issue, he's not wrinkly or bald. Now if you want to see a Brit who has gone to hell, look no further....sex and drugs and rock'n'roll, indeed!

And what about the deterioration and early death of David Hemmings? What happened there?

[quote]He's considered British, [R123].

No he isn't. He's very proud of his Channel Island roots and he has a Jersey accent.

The Rolling Stones own this thread.

Ahem,

[quote]He's considered British,

By who? Certainly not by customs officers who look at his Jersey passport.

Ahem, John has 40 when he died,he was still thin & sexy .

I see this is still a ridiculous thread, then.

[quote]There's something to this. A lot of Brits in my profession seem to die astonishingy early in American terms. But the ones who move here don't. I wonder if it has something to do with the relative quality of the respective health care systems.....

ayb, admit it: you only have a short while before you're left to wonder who the balding chubby 30 year old is who's looking back at you in the mirror.

I love you, ayb.

[quote]I see this is still a ridiculous thread, then. Totally.

By whom? R132.

But ayb will keep coming back cuz he wants to see how many people love him.

Guilty as charged, R140. I'm only human! :D R136, maybe if I was someone else. But I come from good genes. On my Dad's side they tend to go rugged in their 40s and stay that way, only stopping to start looking a bit sallow around the 70s. On my Mum's side there's just a tendency to look a lot younger than they are. As for balding- that didn't happen to my Dad until his 50s. And as for fattening, same thing. Given that I'm vegetarian, eat well and exercise, and drink and smoke moderately, I should preserve pretty well. I'm 32 and I still have blond hair, not dark either. It was Marilyn Monroe colour until my 20s. I weigh 10st 6lb and am a 30 waist. Read it and weep, dear. No, it will be a long time before I look in the mirror and see any bad things. And by that time I'll be so near gay death (45-50), or in the gay afterlife (50 ) I doubt I'll care very much. Kisses,

OMG I love ayb even more. Sigh.

"drink and smoke moderately" Why smoke at all?

ayb's full of it. He really isn't that attractive from what I've seen on FB.

I wish I was ayb's facebook friend. It has nothing to do with looks.

Why, R145?

I always imagined ayb had a shaved head, a slight double chin, a bit of a paunch, and a beercan cock.

I've noticed that we Caucasians deteriorate pretty quickly. Our skin seems thinner, more delicate and wrinkles faster than non-caucasians. Non-whites hold up much better.

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Yes, David Tennant will be 40 in a few months. He's Scottish. But he's never smoked, and doesn't drink much.

I am sure it's genetic because the Scotts and Irish dont seem to age as badly. Sean Connery still looks good

Blimey, R151, you really are stupid, aren't you?

I'd posted this in the wrong thread, I'm copying and pasting it here:

I just caught a newer "Inspector Lewis" episode on PBS last night, Joanna Lumley and Anthony Higgins played formerly famous 1960s rockers trying to make a comeback.

I wasn't sure if that was make-up on Anthony Higgins, to make him look as bad a Keith Richards, or he's aged terribly.

He looked about 80! He had really bad bags under his eyes and his face looked like an old leather bag! Very sad.

To answer your question of why I love ayb, R46, he writes intelligently and with real heart. He also has a great sense of humour. Of course, one can never tell in a situation like this, but I imagine ayb is very sweet and funny in person. Who cares what he looks like...

Sorry, I meant R146, in my reply to why I love ayb.

Thank God for ayb, although much of his post was a load of crap, particularly about the English waiting for the weekend to start drinking. When I lived there they drank every single night of the week. The two most popular TV dramas, EASTENDERS and CORONATION STREET, feature its regular characters heading to the pub every night of the week. It's a huge part of the culture. So many of them smoke like chimneys, drink like fishes and eat like peasants.

"When I lived there they drank every single night of the week. The two most popular TV dramas, EASTENDERS and CORONATION STREET, feature its regular characters heading to the pub every night of the week. It's a huge part of the culture. So many of them smoke like chimneys, drink like fishes and eat like peasants."

Are they still allowed to smoke in the pubs?

IIRC, when I used to watch 'Eastenders', I think they were first aired in the US in the mid or late 1980s, the adult characters hanging out in the The Queen Vic....were smoking like chimneys, with their kids and baby carriages nearby, no wonder the Brits are so sickly, they were inhaling all that smoke from when they were babies.

I remember the character Pat, always with a cigarette always hanging out of her mouth!

My dad smoked, but he never smoked inside, he had to go outside. I still don't know how my mom married him, she still has such severe allergies. I always remember smelling smoke on my dad. Smoking is such a vile and boring habit. He finally stopped when he needed heart surgery, what an ass!

Drinking, lousy food and no sunlight.

You are right, R156. The British are always drinking on their t.v. shows. I notice it in the British mysteries and dramas too. Someone comes to visit, and they always pour themselves a drink. The detective comes to investigate, and they pour themselves a drink.

A lot of British men are good looking when young but it really doesnt last long.

By the mid twenties the weights piled on and the hairs gone.

Most dont seem bothered though, very few people seem to care about their appearance once they are passed the youth stage.

Its probably to do with lack of money too.

No, R157, smoking in pubs and clubs in Britain was banned about five years ago.

They seemed a bit late on that, R161. It was banned in many other countries long before 5 years ago.

Well, R159, I'm here in the US and when my friends come over we generally pop open a bottle of wine so I don't know that company counts. However, I have experience with detectives coming over.

Simon Ward was so fucking hot in YOUNG WINSTON and had totally lost his looks by the time he reached 40.

[italic]Italian men are a striking example of aging badly, in the sense of so many being stunningly beautiful when young, and quickly going to seed and losing their hair.[/italic] Wrong. Italians have been studied throughout history as to why they age better than most other nationalities, especially, very few wrinkles. And it has to do with the oil in their skin. They are pretty well preserved well into their 60s.

[quote]They are pretty well preserved well into their 60s.%0D %0D Not the ones in my neighbourhood. They all look like trolls.

It's silly to hold up actors as examples of men who age well. Actors are generally more attractive than the general population to begin with. Once they taste a little fame they arm themselves with nutrionists, stylists, plastic surgeons, personal trainers, chefs, etc tp stay young and hot. So of course they age better than your average Joe. They can afford to.

I think it is the drinking and smoking. I've known lots of Brits who didn't smoke and who drank in moderation, and they're healthy.%0D %0D I've seen a similar thing but in reverse with the Spanish. I lived in Spain in college (1990-91), and back then almost *everyone* smoked. Plus the cigarettes they smoked were these horrible, unfiltered things called Ducados that emitted the most vile, toxic, thickest smoke I've ever seen. I remember being in the university and looking at Spanish friends in their 20s - the ones who smoked had incipient wrinkles around their eyes, and their skin looked less supple than it should have. They just looked older. Those who didn't smoke - they looked totally normal. For guys it was worse - their hair started to fall out early, and they just seemed to be permeated with gray throughout their bodies.%0D %0D Today, although Spaniards still smoke a lot, it's much less prevalent (20 years ago I swear 80% smoked, now perhaps it's closer to 40%), and the cigarettes they smoke seem to be less gross. I look at the men and wonder when the hell the Spanish got so hot - they don't look at all like they used to.

Oh,oh. I hope [R168]'s post doesn't derail this thread into another Pique worshiping bullshit

R167, many actors age WORSE than the general population. For every one that remains hot, there is another one who descends into excessive drinking, smoking and eating. That's why so many of them die prematurely.

I'm sure there are plenty of examples of Americans who haven't aged well. Middle America is notoriously unhealthy (burgers,meat,coke,coffee,steaks etc) Gross overeating.

R25, fluoride does not make your teeth stronger or whiter or healthier. That is a dangerous myth. Major cities in Canada, like Vancouver, took it out of the water, and tooth health surveys went up. This is false. Do your research. You are better off brushing with baking soda.

It is not just British men who have a short shelf life. I'm in one of those flyover States in a rural community (there is only 1 stoplight in the entire county). Guys here look their best from ages 18-22. By the mid-20s the paunch has begun, they are married, and the kids have already arrived. The women go downhill sooner.

The largest employers in my county are a prison and a Walmart.

Here's my take on British men: the vast majority are not vain (including the gays!). There is no pressure to look good post 35. So while British men will dress well (and they do dress better than Americans and Canadians, but not some fellow European men), they don't feel the need to have the hair transplant, the facials, the teeth whitening etc. - not your average working class or middle class man anyway.

This thread is USELESS without pics!

Yeah Cary Grant, Bob Hope, Sir John Mills, Ian Mckellan, Patrick Stewart, Hugh Laurie, Andrew Lincoln all aged badly and died young....oh.....no they didn't.

Is there some truth that British actors actually wear their age with pride, having earned every line rather than succumb to the lure of plastic surgery hairpieces and fake teeth. Yes, some of that.

They're gay. All of them, to varying degrees. unfortunately the uglier they are, the gayer.

Seriously Americans are so hung up on youth, aging and beauty. I know we all are to an extent, but tbese guys take it to the next level.

None of you have the first clue what you are talking about. Firstly, how many of you have been to the UK? Secondly, have you met over 60 million brits? For the record we have plenty of sun and boast excellent summers and get more sun than our Scandanavian neighbours. Our diet is fine thank you very much and has only deteriorated due to the invasion of American convenience and fast food culture. We smoke on a par with the US if not less since we pay nearly 10 quid a packet and forgive me but I only met fat ugly Americans. I am sorry but I am not ignorant enough to base all Americans o. Hollywood. Blimey how dare Cary Elwes look in bis 50s!!! And why are we inbred? Ever heard so much bollocks in all my life. I could be offensive and say all you rednex are inbred. Sorry but George Clooney is not all men. I thi k we have some very good looking brits and older ones. But we are more natural and live. And we dont all have fake tits noses and veneers on our teeth. Seriously the average American... Check out Jerry Springer! And your obesity is through the roof. Good day!

All British water has fluride in it you imbicile! What country do you think we are?! We are one of the inly European countries where drinking the tap water is considered ok. And our water is full of fluride. Cannot believe all this Brit bashing i am am reading. And no decent Brit would ever eat a curry as mild and pathetic as a Korma. Vindaloo or Phaal

[quote]Seriously the average American... Check out Jerry Springer!

Check out Jeremy Kyle for the average Brit.

[quote]And your obesity is through the roof. Good day!

So is Britain's - your country has worst obesity problems out of all the European countries.

But back to British men, yes, they age like total shit.

That's easy: they never work out, they're all alcoholics and they smoke and eat absolute crap.

So bitchy! Ok let us look at American older women? Name me one who has not gone under the knife or had any fillers or botox?! American celebrities make up how much of the population? Gemma Arterton is also not fat.

So i rest my case then. I was being sarcastic when i said about Jerry Springer. These shows deliberately pick out the dreggs of society. And celebrities have the very best money can buy. But i don't think saying all British men age like shit is fair or an intelligent presumption. And where is the data? Yes Britain in European terms has an obesity problem which stems from our Americanised culture. We habe far more fast food joints etc than our neighbours but they are fast catching up. We follow and copy the US. Burger King..subways.. McDonalds...KFC... All American and we are inundated now. But europe is on its way. Nevertheless we choose to eat in these places and choose our lifestyles but to say a nation of people is ugly is horrible and a terrible steretype. I didn't meet many attractive Americans in MI.. But that was one tiny place in one state. David Beckham is not aging badly... Nor are the Duran Duran boys to name but a few

[quote]Seriously the average American... Check out Jerry Springer!

Springer was born in the UK, although his parents were Polish Jews.

R185 Springer's parents were German Jews.

So if someone was born in the UK they must be ugly etc? How ridiculous! I was talking about the peoe on his show. Both his parents were Polish Jews seeking asylum in UK afer the Holocaust. Forgive me if I am wrong but arent Americans a mixture of mainly european peoples? And many anglo irish? Think you will find that a few bundred years of American independence does not make us genetically dicferent.. And our weather is no different to your northern states on the same latitude. All our water does have fluride and our diets are the same if not better than the average American. Schools Re forbidden to sell unhealthy food. Jude Law.. Beckham.. Hugh Laurie.. Colin. Firth.. Hugh Grant... Daniel Craig. All lovely. And real!!

[quote]Jude Law.. Beckham.. Hugh Laurie.. Colin. Firth.. Hugh Grant... Daniel Craig.

All ageing terribly. Without exeption.

I know it's supposed to be a joke when they say you can't tell if a British guy is just British rather than British AND gay, but it really is true.

There are several I could've sworn were gay only to come to find out they had female partners. I was actually shocked.

What is it about them that makes them come off as gay? And it's not the accent.

[quote]They're gay. All of them, to varying degrees. unfortunately the uglier they are, the gayer.

LINK, please. Link to all being gay or the ugliest ones being gay.

Can't you come up with anything new besides a shitty thread that is four and a half years old? Pathetic losers.

All that spotted dick that is on the menus.

WTF is spotted dick? I mean I've seen the reference before and I know it's some kind of dessert, but what is it?

Yes, I can google, but just tell me.

Cary Elwes is rebounding.

I think Colin Firth looks great.

You do realise that British life expectancy is much higher than Americans?

Colin Firth is still gorgeous.

You're mistaken, R194

Regardless of nationality, some people start out with elderly-looking bits and pieces. When 24 looks like this...

It isn't inconceivable that 58 looks like this...

r187, a few hundred years has indeed changed the USA's genetic makeup, and greatly. Esp. after the late 19th century, immigrants from throughout Europe flooded into the continent. Different nationalities and races inter-married. That isn't taking into account the marriage between Native Americans, Latinos and African Americans. I have a Welsh surname, but I am several nationalities and racial mixed.

All I know is that my current crush is some British sport presenter. He'll age badly no doubt, but he's cute for the time being.

R189, in the UK heterosexual men can sometimes lapse into camp attitudes and humor which read as très gay. I know a straight English guy, an actor, who comes across as camp as a row of Boy Scout tents, yet he is actually a skirt-chasing pussyhound. I think it's funny but I can see how it might confuse people.

Applies mainly to British-born Caucasians males (oh what the heck - females too)

1) Drinking. Starts between ages 8-13. Does not stop 2) Smoking. See above 3) Inbreeding. The root cause for all the ugliness 4) Tea drinking. Most brits have between 5-10 cups a day on average. Laden with sugar and with the tea bags steeped for a longer than average time. This is the difference between the way White Britons drink tea which is deadly, and other cultures (Eg. Japanese, green tea, lightly steeped etc) 5) Dentists cost a fortune + no flouride in the water=atrocious oral health. Oral health becomes systemic, leading to obesity, heart disease (hence dying at 60), diabetes etc etc 6) Extreme depression due to the constant greyness and dampness. Does not encourage exercise 7) No healthy outlets for 'talking about feelings', hence, bottling stress up, affecting the nervous system, rising destructive stomach acid etc etc 8) Always on the 'defense'; inability to laugh at themselves on an indivudual basis, despite what all you guys see in Monty Python, etc etc. Again, leading to higher levels of stress 9) Unhealthy sexual activities. Too varied to go into. Google 10. Drinking

[quote]Starts between ages 8-13

Are you fucking serious?

R204 you've got to try harder to be a successful troll, everything you've said is just trying too hard. To be a good little troll you've got to try to throw some truth into the mix. Maybe get out of your mom's basement in Wisconsin because honey, the one thing that is blindingly clear is you've never set foot in the UK.

-23/10, must try harder.

[4] What about Iceland then? Everbody there is related.

R25

Yes. What part of that don't you understand

Source: THIS IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. IM BRITISH

R206 (and sorry, above was supposed to say '205')

Hey twatface. Im writing to you from London, not one of your weird redneck states in 'MURICA.

Everything I have said is 100% TRUE. I know it; YOU know it...and every not-hot White Brit guy (or gal) approaching 60 knows it too.

CHEERS. Now FACK ORF.

R204 is accurate. I'm 48, Latino-American and haven't dated anyone over 35 since I've been here because they all look older than me.

R206

Icelanders don't have all the other issues listed.

They start drinking at 8???

Do they pour out the apple juice from their juice boxes and put in booze or do they keep the apple juice as a mixer?

R210 (and sorry, above is a response to poster R207 not R206 - for fucks sake with all these R numbers....)

Dear Latino American, I can only imagine you have people stripping right and left for you as you walk around the roads here...being Latino American among the great unwashed here, pretty much makes you a rockstar. I am sorry to hear you're have a crap time...are you in London? There are still a small minority (haha) of really good looking peeps around the posh areas - Kensington, Chelsea etc - or Hipster areas - Shoreditch, Hackney etc - where I am sure you'll be very successful. Keep the faith.

R212

Yes, heathen, they start drinking at 8 (some do, anyway).

Your insular Midwest mindset may have you find this hard to understand, but in England and most of Europe, you can accompany your parents to a bar, starting at birth. The 'beougie' culture here will see your parents let you have your first sip of beer around that age.

Brits? Where the hell are you? Can someone back me up please!

R214, I'm a "heathen" because I think it's ridiculous for an 8 year old to be drinking? And I'm familiar with a SIP, since I had my first at 4. There's a difference between a sip and drinking. You didn't say sip.

And I'm not from the Midwest. I don't how you cam to that conclusion.

came*

R215, every word of the weird little rant at R204 is a lie, I wouldn't worry about what the mentally unstable pisslicker is telling you. In Britain children don't drink nobody drinks that much tea, the British have very affordable dentistry - how much more affordable can you get than free? - they have a longer life expectancy than Americans, one if the most diverse populations in Europe so inbred is just too fucking ridiculous and the lying cunt that spewed all this nonsense has never set foot in the UK.

More importantly: Good lay? Yea or Nay.

Deep crows feet that extends into the folds of their collapsing cheeks. By the time the men are 35, their faces become accordions.

I think it comes down to good old fashioned laziness. I work with a bunch of British guys in their 20s and am constantly stunned just how lazy they are. They will do anything to get away with doing the minimum, with the aim of doing even less than that. So they don't exercise, live on takeout and game/drink/smoke all weekend. Their looks start to go, and of course they're too lazy to do anything about that as well.

R217 is right about r204

Hey, r204, I'm English and my local water supply has had fluoride added to it since 1964.

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You're wrong. We will never age.

What in the holy fuck, R223.

R223 Are their per night rates painted on their backs?

[quote]Whilst English men do have a slight tendency towards excessive drinking and smoking, it's not universal. This is more your working classes and younger, single, middle class types.

WTF? AYB talking out of his droopy arse as usual. Climb out of your squat luv and go meet a broader range of people than your dready David Spart leftists.

Sugar

We have nice teeth, too!

If you drink a gallon of milk a week you are probably getting enough vitamin D.

R212 Ever since Maggie Thatcher took away milk in schools, they now serve out gin instead.

And a nice set of tits, R229

[quote]Whilst English men do have a slight tendency towards excessive drinking and smoking, it's not universal. This is more your working classes and younger, single, middle class types.

Oh come on. Drinking is out of control even in the high end clubs/bars. WTF are you talking about?

And the women are almost as bad.

[quote]Plastic surgery-obsessed America no longer knows what natural aging looks like. They're like Michael York in Logan's Run when he sees facial wrinkles for the first time in his life.

R11 nails it.

Brits and Americans age just as badly as each other, it's just that the UK is more "real". Obsessing over your looks is seen as vanity and UK dramas hire real looking people, not plastic people. So it just seems like the Brits look worse, but it is equally bad state-side (just hidden away).

I know someone who lived in England for several months and said the average Brit is simply not as attractive as the average American and he didn't say it to be insulting because he was actually disappointed. He also commented on how Brits aren't as "vigilant" when it comes to hygiene and diet.

R234, bullshit. Brits are just as obsessed about looks as Americans.

LOL

R236 Watch some UK shows, like 'The Missing' for example.

Would that cast be hired if it was an American show? No. Because Brits aren't afraid of aging and it's seen as normal to be ordinary and have wrinkles.

R238 is right. Look at their soaps, the actors portray real people with lines and bellies and grey hair and cheap clothes - in US soaps everyone, everywhere seems to have a stylist and a cosmetic surgeon on retainer.

Can you imagine the cast of Coronation Street for example getting any work in the US? They look like ordinary people and some of them are exceptionally talented actors, that's something else we don't get - by and large our soaps don't normally have really talented people, they just need someone with an astonishingly good grasp of walking in heels and a glittery dress.

I don't understand that look @R237. There's nothing remotely sexy or hot about it.

Except for the patch of white in his hair, Ed Miliband looks like he's in his 30s.

They live on an island. They're horribly inbred.

[quote]All I know is that my current crush is some British sport presenter. He'll age badly no doubt, but he's cute for the time being.

Who is it?

Wow this thread.The american jealousy of the English is beyond belief.wtf people? Your insecurity is astounding.

Just had a look at pics of Australian actor Daniel Lapaine, who was so gorgeous as the South African swimmer in Muriel's Wedding. He looks unrecognizable now. He doesn't look terrible but he's definitely lost his looks. And I chalk that up to his living in England for the past 30 years.

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You are what you eat. British cuisine is crap.

Look at how many obese Americans there are for crying out loud!

What an odd thread to bump. I still don't think we're alcoholics, but it was interesting to read what I wrote in 2010. I haven't aged too badly and drink a lot less than I did then, although I still enjoy more than your average American I'd imagine.

A couple of middle class lushes on Gogglebox aren't the norm. If we drink during the week it's generally mildly unless we're out doing something.

I still have much the same colour/amount of hair I had then, but it is quite amusing to read my being so flip about ageing because 32/3 (2010/11) was my peak, facially- and I look a lot more bloke-shaped than I did then, particularly since taking up the gym. Also, I lost the 30 waist the following year but still fit 32 well. And of course, the lack of kids means I look miles better than people I went to school with. I still seldom get taken for almost 37 though.

People think I'm much younger. I'm a lot less of a snippy cunt than I was then- I probably would let 'British' slide these days in my answer, even though it's wrong :P

Our food is shit though. If you don't know how to cook then it will show in your waistline or around the face. However, looking at a lot of the yoof these days- how healthy, tall and well groomed most of them are- I think this 'British' tendency to go completely south after 35 is going to be moved to 45 in due course.

[quote]Our food is shit though. If you don't know how to cook then it will show in your waistline or around the face.

You mean if you live on takeaways?

R250, yes- and eating more than one or two convenience (out of the box) meals a week.

They just don't age very well. As don't Russians and many other white nationalities, unlike Asians or Africans.

teef

Does the 2015 BUMP TROLL have teef?

Wow ... a thread from 2010 that is still open

I don't think it's that Brits age differently. It's that American media limits portrayals of Americans who look/age similarly.

Brits don't wipe very well.