He’s gay. She’s straight. They’re happily married.

“It’s kind of been one of her pregnancy things, English muffins,” he said. “Before pregnancy, we ate no bread. We were gluten-free people.” Yes, she’s pregnant. Yes, it’s his. And yes — if you must know how they conceived — in Greenstone’s words, “we birds’d and we bees’d.” Hoff and Greenstone are part of a small but growing community of people who are opening up on social media about their nontraditional permutations of partnership, amending “marriage” with clarifying adjectives such as “platonic,” “queerplatonic,” “aromantic” or “mixed-orientation.” For months, Greenstone and Hoff have been making content about their “lavender marriage.” The term has it roots in the Lavender Scare of the mid-20th century, when a moral panic stoked by Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisconsin) and an executive order signed by President Dwight D. Eisenhower led to a purge of workers suspected of homosexuality from the federal workforce.

Hoff and Greenstone have turned their marriage into a career. Social media is Hoff’s main source of income. (Greenstone also works as a personal assistant.) They spend much of their day making videos and responding to skeptics, supporters and other curious commenters. “We found a whole group of people who had never heard of us before who were just like, ‘Oh my gosh, I’m in this relationship and I didn’t know that there were others like me out there!’” Greenstone said. “You also get the people who are like: ‘I have a gay best friend. Do you think we’re in love?’” Greenstone said. “And we have to be like …” “No, honey,” her husband answered.

She's a fag hag and proud of it.

OMG -I know these people.

Why would she do that? For the social media?

Where's the link?

Thank you, R6.

[quote] husband, Jacob Hoff, 32

I’m sure he does quite a bit of “Jacob Hoffing”.

What a waste of life.

That breakfast sounds great! Where do you put the avocado -- between the muffin & the egg with cheese on top, or do you squash the avocado on top of the muffin/egg/cheese stack? I have all those ingredients, I'm going to try that!

He's certainly getting nowhere near HER muffin.

R11, didn't you read the part about the birdsing and beesing?

“It was love at first cackle.”

[quote] So, on July 17, 2017, she went to an energy healer in San Diego, where she was doing a show, to seek some guidance. “I was living in utter confusion,” Ms. Greenstone said.

She should sue that energy healer!

[quote] Ms. Greenstone entered to Dionne Warwick’s “I’ll Never Love This Way Again.”

OK. She wins!

I don't have a problem with this arrangement. If it works for them, more power to them both.

I do have a problem with married men who've had more dicks up their poop shoots than 20 gay men put together, claiming they're "straight."

The great thing for him with them not having sex is that she will never see how discolored his asshole is getting over the course of their long term monogamous relationship. He better not die first or she might find discover his hole looks as brown and puckered as a tufted club chair.

See, gays can be happily married to women after all!

In closing, they are basically real life characters from "Nocturnal Animals".

The poor dear needs to read this thread below because that's where he's headed.

A childhood friend (female) married a gay man she met in college. 30 years later, they're still together with two daughters. I don't get it. I have my theories, but I don't get it.

I also don't get how, when he took a trip (solo) to the part of the country where her parents lived, he expected to stay with said parents on his way to a well known gathering place for the gays. And I guess he expected them to be cool with that. WTAF?

To each his own, I guess.

[quote] they're still together with two daughters.

I'm pretty sure they were not conceived the natural way.

"My Jacob will never cheat on me with an another woman!," Samantha Wynn Greenstone vowed, smugly. "Unlike my girlfriends' hubbies."

[quote] "My Jacob will never cheat on me with an another woman!,"

Women on DL: Is it worse if your man cheats on you with a woman or another man?

Maybe she is asexual. But what's in it for him? What if either finds a partner they feel more connected to in every way, not just platonically?

R25, maybe she cooks for him and washes his underwear?

So which came first, their wedding or their social-media monetizing plans?

People are fucking weird.

[quote] Ms. Greenstone entered to Dionne Warwick’s “I’ll Never Love This Way Again.”

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

She boils his sex toys for him.

Are they allowed to have other sexual partners?

He’s gay but knocked her up by birds and beeing?

That’s a bisexual, Maury!

[quote]But what's in it for him?

The social credit of appearing heterosexual and having a traditional nuclear family. For some people this really matters.

They may be married, even happily married, but the first time someone dangles sizemeat in front of EITHER of their faces, the 'monogamous' part will be gone like a fart in a dust storm. 💨

She's not happy.

Know a couple. When she became aware he was gay, was glad he wasn't cheating with women. Thirty years later, still married.

Still, I think it's less worse than watching those stupid, self-esteem lacking women who marry gay porn actors (retired or active) and even have children with them.

I do understand a couple like this reaching some understanding or some deal, while raising kids together. What I don't believe for one second is that this is some monogamous, purely heterosexual relationship, which is the other part of what they claim.

Some of you and your ideas of relationships and how they can work are so provincial. Gay men have getting women pregnant for Millennia. You can have sex with someone you love, to give them a child if they want one. People can both want children and having sex is the cheapest way for it to happen. It's not like the head on your shoulders is going to explode or you're gonna throw up on her face. People can be sexless and perfectly happy. And most, MOST, long lasting marriages end up being very deep friendships anyway. We all enter the world alone and it would be a lovely thing for anyone to find someone you connect with and want to pass your time on earth with - male or female. What works for other people doesn't have to make sense to you. If it works for them, that's all that matters.

And I can believe all that r39 without believing at all for even a second that he doesn't have sex with other men on the side or that she is completely unaware of that. They have an arrangement clearly in which he fucks other guys, and she is cool with it. But for some dumb reason they choose to lie about it. That is the game that is being played, and it's stupid, and completely unbelievable.

There are some people, because of trauma or whatever reason that are asexual and are most comfortable in non-sexual relationships. They probably know this about each other, and since that is the case, decided they might as well get married.

So the message is it just takes the RIGHT woman to change a gay man to straight. Got it.

They don't claim to have a sexless marriage for trauma or whatever other reason. They pretend to have an exclusively monogamous, heterosexual relationship. They are undoubtedly lying about that, even if they do have sex occasionally to produce kids. He is fucking other guys in addition. No question about it.

No, you don't got it R42, because he's not straight. I think that's the entire point.

You can’t claim to be gay but fuck women. You’re bisexual.

If you can only get it up for women by thinking of guys...you're not bisexual

That's not true R45. There are tens of thousands of gay men walking the earth who had children the natural way. Closeted men have been doing it forever. And I think the point of this story is that they DON'T have sex.

What do you mean by that r47? Clearly if closeted men are having children the natural way, they are having sex. Are you under the delusion that they are only having sex with women, ever?

We've all known male/female couples where the man is obviously gay.

Maybe they used artificial insemination, which is "natural" with the aid of a turkey baster.

I think this was covered sufficiently in the seminal Broadway musical Falsettos.

LOVE IS BLIND! LOVE CAN TELL A MILLION STORIES!

Does he kiss her with the same lips he sucks dick with?

Here's her TikTok where they both appear:

[Quote] their poop shoots

I’m going to oh dear this gently because it’s so cute. It’s actually “poop chute” but poop shoot is adorable.

I suspect some gay men are just doing this to have biological children and they just enjoy the company of the woman. And indeed why not?

I actually suspect these marriages are on the rise. I suspect Paul Downs, the creator of “Hacks” and a star (he plays the manager) is in one. He's SO VERY gay but married to a woman. And you know, Mazeltov. Whatever works for you.

It depends on the woman's objective, R24. If she's concerned about her man leaving her, there's less of a chance of that if he cheats with women. If it's an ego thing, then cheating with men is way more preferable.

I have no problem with this setup. If it works for them, go for it and have fun. She knows who he is and is fine with it and good for them. I was closeted in college and my early 20s and had sex with women. It's not that difficult, especially when you're young and just about anything can make your dick hard. I'm not saying that sex isn't important, but relationships are about so much more than fucking.

So he’s given up cock for life?

R48 I was replying to the comment that having sex with women makes you bisexual. That’s not always the case considering there are closeted gay men, not bisexual men, who have children. Fucking women didn’t make them straight or bisexual.

Oh so she’s cock eyeded. That explains a lot.

[Quote] So he’s given up cock for life?

Looking at the pictures of her she doesn't look like someone who is interested in cock

R60, oh, please. She loves cock.

In fact, she wants to drown in a sweaty scrotum.

We’re talking about the husband, not the wife.

Dumb ass