How Kevin Costner Lost Hollywood

Time for him to retire and go Home on the Range. I loved that song as a child.

Is this article from 1995?

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually liked Horizon Chapter 1. The second installment was supposedly getting released in 2025, but given that we only have a few months left, I somehow doubt it's going to happen.

I guess The Hollywood Reporter has never heard of Yellowstone.

I guess r4 didn’t bother reading to the second paragraph.

But this article seems like someone has a vendetta against him. IMO picking on Kevin Costner is akin to picking on Henry Winkler. They’re both neat.

“Horizon” should have been a TV miniseries. It had moments, but simply wasn’t good enough, and the oddest thing about it was how mediocre the cinematography was. Though most of it was shot outdoors in some of the prettiest western scenery you could imagine, it wasn’t shot in widescreen HD, no VistaVision or 60mm or IMAX, so it never had the epic sweep Costner promised. The whole project felt moldy, Costner is living back in the ‘90s, his heyday, whereas the business — and filmmaking — has grown way beyond him.

Oh, and his many problems couldn’t happen to a not-nicer guy.

What did he do to West Bentley?:

“The incident with Wes was the line in the sand. Everything was different after that,” says another source who was also present for the fight with Bentley. “Everyone loved Wes and so that really made Taylor upset. Kevin and Taylor butted heads from there on out. It got very awkward.” (A spokesperson for Bentley confirmed the altercation, calling it a “work related argument during an emotional and physically tough scene,” which was “discussed and resolved.” Costner’s spokesperson declined to comment on the near fisticuffs.)

He wasn't a great actor although he looked good.

Terminally bland.

Not one iota of sex appeal.

Satisfying hit piece. I hate Kevin Costener!

It’s in the article, R7.

“But between takes, tensions boiled over. Costner, both star and executive producer, was pushing Bentley to ditch Taylor Sheridan’s script and play the moment his way. Bentley refused. He told Costner that he had signed up for a Taylor Sheridan show, not a Kevin Costner production. ‘Kevin didn’t like that, and he lunged at him,’ says a source who was present. ‘No fists were thrown, but they were in each other’s faces, pushing and shoving and just getting hot until they had to be separated.’ [Kelly] Reilly, according to one witness, was in tears. Production briefly shut down.”

He sounds like Norma Desmond, trying to get her Salome project off the ground:

"But despite the legal headaches, the continuing costs and the reputational harm the Horizon debacle has caused him, he has shown no indication that he plans to cut and run from his vision of producing four epic Western films. He continues to pound the pavement looking for financing to finish the third and fourth installment."

Costner is a shithead.

I can’t believe it, but he’s made me feel sympathy towards that skank ex-wife of his.

[quote] This might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually liked Horizon Chapter 1

I didn’t mind it at all. In a world of a cavalcade of shitty streaming shows, it was hardly the worst of the lot.

I have no doubt he is a controlling asshole on set. But Taylor Sheridan too is a roided up psycho.

^^^Kevin cheated the entire time he was married to both of his ex-wives& all his serious GFs^^^

A cheat and a LIAR!!

He did whatever it took to take the Oscar for Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas. I feel resentment for that.

But Taylor Sheridan owned& created Yellowstone, Kevin did not& became a giant pain in the ass. Kevin wanted more power& loves to be in CONTROL!!

Neat.

First off, Kevin Costner definitely had a comeback. He’s the most popular he’s been in like 25–30 years.

When I was a kid in the 90s, he was the least cool movie star. He wasn’t as handsome or daring as Gibson, Cruise, Willis, or Will Smith, and he didn’t have the charm or warmth of Tom Hanks. He always felt kind of stiff — like your dad’s favorite actor, not yours.

Then the big flops hit — Waterworld, The Postman — and he basically vanished. When he tried to come back with something edgier like Mr. Brooks, it didn’t land. It was too late.

But what’s funny is now everything that made him “uncool” back then actually works for him. Yellowstone turned his old-school, stoic, moral-cowboy vibe into his biggest strength. He’s not trying to be cool anymore — he is the genre.

He’s having the career everyone thought was over twenty years ago.

And Horizon is definitely his “Salome”. Chris Hemsworth wanted to play the lead and Costner said no.

It probably would have done better with Hemsworth.

You should work for him R19-talk about a puff piece.

R19 He's a boring actor, has always been boring. Good looking, yes, and sometimes that's all it takes to get a foot in the door.

In a Republican era like the current one, bland and boring is going to do well. Kevin Costner is a movie star for people in places like Arkansas and Nebraska.

I recall reading he has a bad habit of demanding legit masseuses give him hand jobs.

Oliver Stone wanted Harrison Ford for the lead in JFK but Ford said no so he could make some Jack Ryan movie instead. JFK would’ve been even better with Ford—and without Kevin Costner.

[quote] I guess The Hollywood Reporter has never heard of Yellowstone.

No, they don't mention it in the entire article!

You are [italic]so[/italic] observant, r4. You must have read the linked article very closely!

[Quote] JFK would’ve been even better with Ford—

No silly, Ford was a Republican. JFK was better off with that nice man Johnson!!!

I think I've only seen two of his movies, both with my parents (so movies I wouldn't ordinarily go to), but I disagree that he's only boring. The first movie was when he was an unknown in some western in the 90s, and I remember being impressed by him. I wasn't surprised when he became a star. Sure, he's not a charisma monster, but there's a place for his kind of presence.

As to Yellowstone, my Left Coast sisters were OBSESSED with it, and it seems to be doing very well abroad, too. So not only in red states.

Costner was not an unknown in the 90s, R28.

I just like him for that huge hog he loves showing off, freeballing in his pants. For decades. No man has given more good bulge.

I will always love him!

It's kinda interesting to see how "Dances with Wolves" was, back in the day considered one of THE MOVIES that defined 1990 (or the early 90s in general), but now it seems totally overrated, forgotten and irrelevant to newer generations in contrast with other films from that year that are now everlasting cult classics like "Home Alone", "Ghost", "Pretty Woman", "Goodfellas", "Kindergarten Cop", etc.

JFK was definitely his best film during the 90s decade (I also enjoyed "Revenge" and "Tin Cup"). The Bodyguard endurance in pop culture is obviously because of the soundtrack (not because of him). Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves also seems forgotten (only remains sort of popular due to the annoying Bryan Adams song).

Then most of his 90s filmography are absolute turds like Wyatt Earp, Waterworld, The Postman, Message in a Bottle, For Love of the Game.

And I don't remember quite frankly if he had a relevan box-office hit movie in the 2000s. I only remember watching him in more massive turds like 3000 Miles to Graceland, Dragonfly and The Guardian.

Robin Hood: Men in Tights is probably better remembered now.

Alan Rickman is the only reason to see Robin Hood Prince of Thieves

[QUOTE]The first movie was when he was an unknown in some western in the 90s,

R28 - That was Silverado in 1985.

R24 - Many years ago, probably early aughts, I recall reading that he startled a female PR assistant who had been assigned to accompany him to some industry function where he would have to do chit chat with reporters on the way in. The moment the limo took off he was on her. He did stop when she protested. It was as though it was SOP.

That westerns shit is soooo tired and boring.

[quote]But for Costner, it was merely the latest unfortunate incident in a long series of unfortunate incidents, a career marked by feuds, walkouts, lawsuits, financing fiascos and a growing reputation for being, as one former colleague put it, “impossible.” ...All of which raises an obvious question, the one being whispered all across Hollywood right now, even among former allies: What’s going on with Kevin Costner?

This is a fairly easy one. Kevin Costner has high-functioning autism (Aspergers' Syndrome.)

*reputation for extreme privacy

*has an unusual mystique that's hard to pinpoint despite seeming lack of a personality

*obsessive interest in one thing nobody else cares about (westerns)

*insanely stubborn and difficult to work with due to theory of mind deficit common in autistic people

*wide-set eyes with clear, sparkling irises. Eyes tend not to focus on anything.

Plus he has a massive cock R37.

R32, even back in the day Dances with Wolves was considered rather lame, even if typical best picture fodder. I was in my twenties back rhen and went to rhe movies a lot but any movie with Kostner was a no-no.

I liked him in the preposterous fun Non Way Out (previous to his mega success).

Field of Dreams is one of my favorite movies.

@ 30 "No man has given more good bulge."

That comment is demeaning and, more important, completely false.

I saw DANCES WITH WOLVES during lockdown for the first time since its release. If it hadn’t won the Oscars over Goodfellas, it would be considered a minor a gem, and certainly among the top rank of post-Golden Age westerns.

[quote] This is a fairly easy one. Kevin Costner has high-functioning autism (Aspergers' Syndrome.)

Is the Yellow Skin Troll the same person as the Autism Troll? Have they ever been seen the same thread?

Thought he did a good job in:

No Way Out

Untouchables

JFK

Upside Of Anger

I thought he was pretty good in Hidden Figures

Yes, I forgot Hidden Figures, R46.

Oops, you're right, R2. I was thinking of Silverado, which was 1985. Time flies. My trip to IMDB reminded me of Bull Durham, which I liked.

I'm sure if he trimmed Horizon: An American Saga down to 2 hours, it would have done well. No one wants to see a 3-hour movie.

As far as him looking for billionaires, he could try sucking up to Jeff Bezos and his slutty wife. They seem to be star fuckers.

I actually like WaterWorld and The Postman. That being said,Ive not once looked at Costner and thought "I want him in me deeply" .Not when he was young and not now. He thought he had all the power with Yellowstone and come to find out,he didnt. I loved how he was running around saying he would end it if Taylor didnt,then when it kept going on and was still successful he started acting like he'd gp back if they asked. Then Taylor killed his ass off in a very bland way !

r39, were you drunk when you posted?

R51 people with bifocals and edema fingers typing on small devices is a large contingent of the Datalounge population.

His best acting was in The Big Chill.

I don't understand women sometimes. If Kevin Costner was on my massage table and pulled back the towel to reveal a raging boner, even at his current age, the last thing I do would be to file a complaint.

Wow, it's almost like men and women are different

I liked him in Fandango. I'm sure his costars Judd Nelson and Sam Robards are drooling with envy over his 40-year career.

It takes training and accreditation to be a real masseuse, r54. Whipping his cock out was kind of a trashy faux pas on his part and showed a lack of respect for their job.

of course it did, on his part. On my part, I'd be willing to become quite the unprofessional while willingly giving the best professional.

He could easily go to a pro or a happy ending massage place, but the thing is that they get off on making the other person uncomfortable. It's revolting to be around, not sexy.

Don't forget when he told Madonna her show was "neat". It came off as condescending and almost belittling. Madonna got a lot of flak for being upset over it, but what else was she supposed to do with such a shitty response?

Of course, she had to apologize, being a woman and all.

Who knew Costner and Al Gore have something in common besides being bland white guys?

He’s forgettable, at best, as an actor. He isn’t quite as bad as Tom Cruise, but that isn’t saying much.

Tom Cruise is annoying but he's not a bad actor.

Tin Cup is one of those movies that’s perfectly cast and has a great ending.

Cruise is a terrible actor. Even in Risky Business, you can see him trying really, really hard.

He was 21 and that movie was 42 years ago, r65. That's the example you choose?

He was great in Magnolia and Collateral.

And Born on the 4th of July.

R43 it astonishes me that people still can’t piece together that when someone is branded as difficult to the point of being called “impossible” to work with - mind you, in Hollywood, an industry that already runs on hot air and inflated egos - it is very possible the person is autistic.

Among the traits most associated with high-functioning autism:

-Blunt communication and difficulty with teamwork and collaboration

-Discomfort in social politics

-Social naiveté

-Rigid adherence to personal principles and routine

-Intense focus on abstract ideas

The last one is important because autistic people are believed to compromise a significant number of revolutionaries in world history. One of the most accurate depictions of high-functioning autism was Paul Giamatti’s portrayal of John Adams in the HBO limited series of the same name. John Adams was a brilliant revolutionary who became a terrible president because he was unable to get along with people. This scene with Franklin is priceless.

Other revolutionaries believed to be autistic include Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, T.E. Lawrence and David Ben-Gurion.

The standoff becomes somewhat amusing when you consider that Wes Bentley is also likely on the spectrum (Bentley famously melted down as soon as he achieved success with American Beauty).

Two autistic people engaged in a standoff is brutal because neither will ever consider compromising. They just go on, and on, and on.

Look at JK Rowling versus the Transes.

Not the "spectrum" troll. Marx was many unexpected things (raised Protestant, married a Catholic, for example), but zero evidence he was "on the spectrum".

Someone please stop the autistic troll. He’s so detached from reality. He’s like one of those people that think everyone has been taken over by an alien pod creature.

Just because your life is a failure and you blame it on autism, it doesn’t mean everyone is autistic.

On the contrary r70. Das Kapital is a classic autistic infodump.

Additionally, Marx’s plan for communism would only work if everyone was autistic.

R71, no one likes an autistic self-loather.

R71 my hunch was correct! You are the autistic person whose mother hates him and who is obsessed with Emily Blunt, likely due to the sound of her last name.

Also you were a hardcore Bidenist who shamed and FFed anyone who tried to warn of the impending disaster.

Regardless of any autism theories, the article says "everyone loved Wes."

In interviews, Wes strikes me as one of those people who are too fragile for the entertainment industry. He probably is very kind / likable.

R73 is the “I Hate Emily Blunt Troll,” also the “I Know What’s Best for David Corenswet and Matt Bomer’s Career Troll.” Mental illness personified.

Cluster B, a borderline, aka, failed narcissist, who hasn’t felt the touch of another since…ever. Bathes only when the neighbors complain. Has accomplished nothing but being a burden to society.

You’re not special, you don’t have autism and autism doesn’t not give you or anyone else superpowers.

You are, unfortunately, exceedingly below average and no fake mental diagnosis will change the fact that you’re a failed human being with no success in life or love. That’s just some people’s lot in life.

I would say donate your time at an animal shelter to make yourself useful but we know what your type does to animals.

Just stay away from living creatures and well all sleep better.

[quote] I don't understand women sometimes. If Kevin Costner was on my massage table and pulled back the towel to reveal a raging boner, even at his current age, the last thing I do would be to file a complaint.

Why can't they just enjoy sexual harassment in the workplace??

[quote] Don't forget when he told Madonna her show was "neat". It came off as condescending and almost belittling. Madonna got a lot of flak for being upset over it, but what else was she supposed to do with such a shitty response?

Act like an adult?

Groucho Marx was autistic?

R76 there is no “I Hate Emily Blunt” troll. I like Emily Blunt and wished she had won the Oscar for Oppenheimer.

R76 how many times have I told you

You have become fixated on repeating “I Hate Emily Blunt” because you find the iambic rhythm and the strong T, L and B sounds pleasurable. This is called echolalia and is extremely common among autistic people. That’s what this scene in The Aviator was about.

[quote] He did whatever it took to take the Oscar for Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas. I feel resentment for that.

He didn’t though. The movie was a huge hit and a big block Oscar voters during that time was born before 1920, so it was a pretty easy win.

"I need some more money — I do. I need some of these big billionaires, with fucking boats ‘from here to here’ who are fond of telling people they’re billionaires, to come with me and make a movie,” Costner told THR one year ago in Cannes. “I don’t have the money they have, and I’ve already made two of ’em. Where are you rich guys?”

I love this narcissistic quote from the article. Obviously Kevin is stuck in the early 90s. Does he really think some billionaire is going to give him a blank check? Maybe for The Bodyguard 2, but not for a Western. I really don't think we can chalk this up to autism.

I'll just say that when I first came out or at least acted on my sexuality, KC was my total ideal -- Gary Cooper swagger, all-American ruggedness, and his voice made me swoon. (I'll say it first, MARY!?). But from "No Way Out" to "DWW" he was palpably so undeniably sexy that it was hard to look past that. Though I'm successful in my field I cannot understand how or why people become monsters. I guess I got far by ability but not a ton of ego (thankful for that). Is there anyone here who can explain with first-hand knowledge how Hollywood twists talent and ambition into atrocious personal characteristics?

I agree about Goodfellas. It should've won Best Picture, it's one of the greatest films of all time. Dances With Wolves didn't deserve Best Picture. And now it's "problematic," as they say.

[quote]The standoff becomes somewhat amusing when you consider that Wes Bentley is also likely on the spectrum (Bentley famously melted down as soon as he achieved success with American Beauty).

Wes Bentley melted down becuase he was a FUCKING JUNKIE you idiot.

[quote] Though I'm successful in my field I cannot understand how or why people become monsters. I guess I got far by ability but not a ton of ego (thankful for that).

The studio refused the the print of Horizon 2. I've only seen that happen once before in my entire career. In a nut shell what that means is everyone who put money into it is SOL. Couple hundred million down the drain. Movie will never see the light of day.

Troll 2 > Horizon 2

Costner was a natural movie star. He didn't come across as desperate for audience approval un(like Tom Cruise), and there seemed to be something slightly chilly under all of the charm. He could have starred in the downbeat Westerns that John Ford and Anthony Mann made in the 1950s.

R83, you're probably not surrounded by enablers and yes men. I think that's what does these people in.

He was so foxy back in the day though.

The autism troll ruins nearly every thread on Datalounge these days. So boring.

Didn’t Costner leave Yellowstone to do the “Horizon” movies? That seems like a big mistake. Wasn’t he making a lot of money on “Yellowstone”?

^^^YES, but Kevin wanted CONTROL....more power& Taylor wasn't giving that up.

Then, he got FIRED!!

He needed to leave YELLOWSTONE and do something completely different. A romantic drama (NOT a romcom) with an age-appropriate lead actress would have been good.

He's a lot like Mel Gibson. Their fame as handsome film leads went right to their heads, and they both bizarrely developed ridiculous Jesus complexes as a result. Their thinking: "I'm more famous and desired than I ever expected, and I think in a way like most people do not... therefore, I must be the Special Chosen One, like Jesus."

Gibson was taken down by his own mental instability, but Costner has so far been able to weather his changes of fortune whenever his Jesus-complex films crash and burn (like WATERWORLD and THE POSTMAN)

R90 = Marcia Brady.

Can’t believe there’s no mention in the article of Costner’s true #1 partner: his hair transplant. That’s the reason he was able to revitalize his career.

Who’s sexier Dennis Quaid or Kevin Costner?

Fandango!

Is Mel Gibson autistic?

No, just a couple other A words.

I love Costner. Quiet masculinity.

I remember all the hype around him in "The Untouchables". He was so underwhelming and it was a cast of real pros who (e.g., DeNiro, Connery)were not necessarily at their best, but still much better than Costner.

I didn't know Costner had gone bald. He wasn't masculine enough to pull off the shaved head like Willis.

Dear freaking god, DL, please never change. A thread about a bland Hollywood star contains references to Karl Marx and Das Kapital

[QUOTE]Other revolutionaries believed to be autistic include Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, T.E. Lawrence and David Ben-Gurion.

Is this meant to say Costner is a cinematic revolutionary or something?

Trust me-Costner isn't that deep of a man!! He got ISSUES, lots of them.

Quaid is sexier: The Big Easy

Totally fucking agree with that, Dennis Quaid was sexier& hotter than Costner.

And that smile of his, you know that Dennis Quaid throws a mean, awesome FUCK to his female conquests.

Quaid WAS hot. Now he's just an over-the-hill Trumper

Kevin, like Matt Lauer, has one of those tall broad heads that does not take to baldness well. Matt Lauer completely lost his looks, in my opinion, when he lost his hair.