See the text messages that prosecutors say Charlie Kirk shooting suspect exchanged with his roommate

In the court filing, prosecutors described the roommate as “a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.” Robinson’s roommate provided their text messages to police, according to the documents.

Is Tyler Robinson cute? I just can't decide.

Those text messages are very…Danielle Steel

All over Twitter, it's being found as fake.

See X message below for the full text and analysis. Of course, as Noel Casler said.

[quote]Those texts seem totally legit and not at all faked cause all 22 year-olds these days talk like Margaret Mitchell.

“My old man”

Because Twitter has all the available forensic evidence and analytical tools, r4! Lance Twiggs is cooperating with that Twitter account! The Twitter account owner personally knows Tyler Robinson and the way he expresses himself.

Yeah, it's a little olde timey, but the guy was obviously some kind of megalomaniac, who probably considered himself a philosopher, so a grandiose style of expression would suit him.

R2 I didn't think so at first, and his mug shots are, understandably, not flattering, but he's pretty cute here:

R2 Let's try another link:

[quote] Because Twitter has all the available forensic evidence and analytical tools, [R4]! Lance Twiggs is cooperating with that Twitter account! The Twitter account owner personally knows Tyler Robinson and the way he expresses himself. Yeah, it's a little olde timey, but the guy was obviously some kind of megalomaniac, who probably considered himself a philosopher, so a grandiose style of expression would suit him.

Believe what you want, you cunt.

Thanks, r9! I will! Very convincing post in favour of your own beliefs.

Those aren’t literal text messages in the graphic. That’s a mock up taking words from a document and displaying them in iPhone format.

The most likely non-malicious explanation is the texts were deleted, and that what you are reading is a paraphrased retelling of them to investigators by the boyfriend-roommate during an “aggressive interrogation posture”. (LOL Kash)…and that the FBI was not clear in that distinction when providing the state prosecutors with the information for the charging doc.

Christ, this country is so FUCKED UP at the moment, I wouldn't put it past the Right. I did think it was odd that he referred to his roommate/lover as "My love."

Only old Spanish ladies and Black CNA’s say “my love”. You’re telling me 22 year old is using that.

The language and word choices do seem “off”… kind of anachronistic and stilted. But then Tyler Robinson was raised Utah Mormon and may be an odd mix of online/nihilistic and oddly sheltered and trying on personae like so many costumes.

And. If the FBI is making shit up, Lance Twiggs is free to go on record or leak it thru friends to say the FBI made shit up. So far he (she? they?) has not. I would assume for now that the text messages, though maybe cherry-picked by the FBI for public release, are for real. People are complicated…. and Tyler and Lance here seem especially complicated.

At least the left and the right are both claiming these texts are highly suspicious.

True. They are highly suspicious. Yet I think we have to hold both possibilities as possibilities for now. (That they’re fake bullshit made up by the FBI, or that they are peculiar but real)

Weird, I responded to R15 and now R15 has been eradicated (at least from my view/settings)

Personally I'm seeing r15 just fine.

Those texts must be written as a verbal accounting given from memory, by the roommate who received them, to officers during interrogations, because I know not one 22 year old who says, “my vehicle”.

I see r15 fine as well

Question, when will the actual texts be handed over to police from the shooter’s & roommate’s cellphone service carriers?

Anyone here have an idea how long this usually takes?

Timeline

1. Rightwingers speculated and impugned trans ideology immediately upon hearing about the bullet etchings. Liberal were outraged and said initials stood for the manufacturer.

2. The left delighted in finding out the shooter was a white man from a conservative Mormon, gun owning family.

3. It has been revealed that the shooter was a liberal outlier in the family and had a trans roommate/lover AND conservative parents.

There is no “win” in this. Haggling over text nonsense is a waste of everyone’s time.

Still no Epstein files, but all the alleged documentation in the world for the alleged killer of Saint Charlie Tinyface.

Here is a compilation of all nine videos on Lance Twigg’s TikTok account. Does this look like a trans person to you?

These are fake as hell. Don't trust the media.

[quote)I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet.

[quote]if I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

Do you know anyone under 50 who speaks like this, let alone TEXTS like this? There are NO contractions; always "I am" but never "I'm." Typing out "I will have" instead of "I'll have" or I'll've. Every sentence grammatically pristine. Not a single word of slang, no text abbreviations, every sentence an exercise in exposition, written in the style of Edith Wharton.

"My love?" "A little while longer [bold]yet[/bold]. "Unseen?" What 22 year old uses language like this? "I'll be here a while babe" or "I gotta grab that gun without them seeing me" are a lot more believable, but I'm in my 50s so what do I know?

Who believes any of this??? We all know the shooter was a Trumper who hated Kirk for not being fascist enough. I'll bet there is no "transgender roomate/lover." It's all too perfect, and perfectly aligned with the right-wing obsessions over trans and antifa.

R24 Could be. It's so hard to tell with his generation. It feels like they're ALL sociopaths.

Those texts look like a script from the TV show DRAGNET, c.1952.

[quote]It feels like they're ALL sociopaths.

"Hahahaha! Yes... yes! YES!!! MWHAHAHAHAH! It's WORKING! The more fake shit we pump out the more these morons lap it up! They'll keep tearing each other apart while we get richer and more powerful by the day! UNLEASH THE FAKE TEXTS!!!"

-your billionaire overlords Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, et al

The TikToks look like those of some random nondescript 21yo white gamer boy. The texts look like a Nifty story written by a weird old lady who writes gay twink erotica. But again, people are complicated…. who knows. And again so far Lance Twiggs is not denying the texts are real.

Then again this government is beyond untrustworthy: is it impossible that they made the clumsy fake texts and are threatening Twiggs with criminal prosecution unless he goes along with their narrative? Feels like a possibility, in these insanely corrupt and cynical times.

The only way they could be real is if he was into that “M’lady” style of communication subculture.

"Hello my transgender lover, it is I, your gay boyfriend and killer of American HeroTM Charlie Kirk. I have been delayed in my antifa proceedings by unforeseen circumstances, but will make my way to you posthaste."

R19

Yes, we know

Yeah, I can certainly see the suspicion. They do seem weird, although it's going to be a weird conversation between assassin and his "love." Obviously, they'll be the first thing challenged by the defense if not completely real, since I think they're the only confession. Not sure about that, but still devastating if real. And again the whole geek squad will then get a crack at the originals to do their magical arts on and determine the veracity. Of course I'd also wonder if there are other texts from Tyler, or other postings. Yes, I'd assume, since he clearly was online a bit. I keep hearing how all 22-year-olds talk and text. How does THIS 22-year-old talk and text is the key question.

Reading the full text exchange again, all of it. Some of it seems anachronistic and possibly fake. And much of the rest of it does seem plausible as the voice of a completely stressed out young white male from Utah.

Marry me, r31

On a related note, it's a pretty sick irony that one of the charges filed against Tyler Robinson is:

"committing a violent offence in the presence of a child"

Given that Charlie KirKK believed that children should be made to watch public executions as "an initiation" (an initiation into state-sponsored violence and retribution, presumably?)

[quote] All over Twitter, it's being found as fake.

If and when the roommate testifies in court that they are real, will people just go back and quietly delete their tweets?

They're real. It's embarrassing some of the conspiracy shit some of you just eat up. I'm sure that idiot that was spamming the other thread with AI commentary on the case (if you do that, you don't understand how AI currently works at all; it's entirely unhelpful in these situations and will tell you what it thinks you wnat to hear, that's what it is designed to do) and screaming at everyone and calling everyone a Mossad agent will be back in this one soon.

R24 awww Lance is cute.

Tyler screwed up. He was having hot forbidden Mormon sex, playing video games, chillin'. Now he's behind the bars and will never get out.

It's all very sad.

Tyler really has big dick face.

[quote] 3. It has been revealed that the shooter was a liberal outlier in the family and had a trans roommate/lover AND conservative parents.

Where exactly has it been revealed that the shooter was a liberal?

So far, it seems he was connected to the "Groyper" movement, or at the very least was using their verbiage and symbols.

That is very tentative r41, though I admit I wanted it to be true. He seems to have had either a gay relationship with his roommate, or a trans relationship, or bi, something, unclear. Kids today! And that may indeed be a motive, not yet established. But it's becoming clear that the previous idea that yup, definitely a groyper totally motivated by his groyper hatreds to do this thing seems very much unproven.

No one on either side of the aisle thinks these texts are legitimate, and that includes Steve Bannon and Candace Owens.

Who is writing full sentences with punctuation right after they hot someone and the whole world is looking for them? And the roommate seems unfazed by it all.

[quote] Who is writing full sentences with punctuation right after they hot someone and the whole world is looking for them?

An intelligent, cold-blooded killer. It’s been said by several people that Tyler is bright. At the hearing, you could see how unfazed and unemotional he was as the charges were stated.

It was funny when I saw someone question his use of the word “vehicle”. I’ve been questioned before why I say “vehicle” sometimes when I’m talking about my car, so I can relate to Tyler doing the same.

The key thing in this case is the fun culture, which this guy was steeped in. The whole idea that you can’t be a real man or a real American

Without a gun. That isn’t left wing, it’s been a systematic and well-funded movement from the right to keep gun manufacturers rich.

The rest, the supposed “politics” here, are the product of a lazy junk culture steeped in false promises and diversions.

This guy was mixed up and too dumb too think straight.

We definitely need some "fun control" r45.

Yes, I've used the word 'vehicle' as well at times,, r44. I laugh when people use crap like that to support their conspiracies.

I don’t get how Lance is trans- the media has two photos that are supposed to be evidentiary of this: one with him wearing a silly yellow hat and another where he has like asymmetrical bangs and does look kind of femme. Has Lance ever actually stated they’re trans?

[quote] This guy was mixed up and too dumb too think straight.

I saw a video of Harry Sisson scrambling to now claim that Robinson is actually neither left nor right, but rather something that doesn’t fit those categorizations.

Completely agreed, r39. Tyler threw his whole life away for some dumbass political commentator, and what’s worse, made him a martyr for the other side. This isn’t like the murder of Brian Thompson. Violence in the name of identity politics only begets more violence.

True, R39 and R51. Robinson was an unusually skilled shooter with his Grandpa's rifle, but his texts to Twiggs about the rifle and his hiding/getaway efforts seem so young and dumb and sloppy.

This is not how a 22 yr old speaks, even an intelligent one.

[quote]I don’t get how Lance is trans

Me neither. There's one photo in a onesie or a hoodie that he asked an app about, and it matched his face to a female video-game character or something and he was laughing about that. That's all I've seen, and it doesn't prove shit.

[quote]If the FBI is making shit up, Lance Twiggs is free to go on record or leak it thru friends to say the FBI made shit up.

They've probably threatened this kid with everything under the sun. He'll say what they tell him to say.

R35 - R31 is my MINE bitch! That was hysterically funny. Thank you my love R31.

Austin Butler and I are discussing a biopic.

Doesn't Lance have a lawyer, r55? I thought he lawyered up. If his lawyer isn't disputing the messages, then why should you doubt them. Discord is not disputing the private messages either, even though it made a bit fuss about saying that Robinson hasn't posted any of this kind of stuff on the forums.

R54, have you even made an effort to read the basic facts if this case? Lance had made several posts on trans subreddits.

This post he made isn't from one of the trans subreddits, but it tells a bit about the environment he was in.

[quote]i don’t have a gag reflex, but i was bulimic and quite frankly the trick is just learning how to use ur stomach muscles to puke on command. not a good or healthy solution, but there are more ways than a gag reflex to throw up on command.

I think Lance's more trans-related posts may have been deleted/hidden because they're not easy to find now, but the other day I found one from a year ago where he was giving someone advice on transitioning, and speaking from personal opinion. In any case, these posts have been quoted in papers like the Daily Mail and NY Post and on Twitter.

His posts that are still up are similar in style to the messages investigators say he and Tyler exchanged.

[Quote] I know not one 22 year old who says, “my vehicle”.

I’m not saying this makes them real, but the shooter’s dad is/was a cop. And that’s totally cop-speak he might have been raised with.

I was right, the TransDIY subreddit that Lance posted on has now gone private. That in itself is a big indication that Lance Twiggs did indeed make those posts on that trans subreddit.

The Dark Gay Web?

R61 Despite early reports, that's actually incorrect. His father, Matt Robinson, runs a construction company. The confusion resulted from there being another Matt Robinson who is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff's Department.

Thanks for the correction R64

[quote]“If I see ‘uwu notices bulge’ on fox new [sic] I might have a stroke,” Robinson texted.

The government says he was a massive lefty, why would he watch Fox News?

They've so far failed to provide any shred of evidence that he was politically motivated at all. If the substance of the texts is to be believed, he was driven by a desire to stop Kirk spreading his self-evident "hatred". He may have seen his actions as being more like cutting out an infection, and his decision to act became, to him, the logical solution.

To me, this reads more like a consequence of growing up in a gun-saturated household and in a society that promotes violence as a solution, both globally and locally.

R66, the context is that he didn’t want or expect the casings to be found. He didn’t want his memes discussed on Fox News, which he despised.

Robinson is not a "leftist." He's not even registered to vote. He was apparently considered apolitical by his friends.

He was not influenced by any leftist movement, let alone the Democratic party and it's allies and allied organizations. He's mentally ill and probably confused or stressed about his sexuality sonce he comes from a family of extreme MAGAs in an extremely MAGA state.

Trump and the right are exploiting this for political gain and probably many much darker reasons. The rhetoric about clamping down on "the left" over this is very alarming.

[quote]Robinson is not a "leftist." He's not even registered to vote. He was apparently considered apolitical by his friends.

About Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon Bomber:

[quote]Andrew Glasby told ABC News that Tsarnaev lived one floor above him at the Pine Dale dormitory and he had a conversation with the alleged bomber one full day after the bombing on the campus.

[quote]Glasby described Tsarnaev as an average Joe who played soccer, enjoyed FIFA soccer video games and smoked marijuana on a daily basis until this year. To Glasby, Tsarnaev was a social, low-key guy with a messy dorm room and liked to listen to hip hop music.

[quote]"It really makes me wonder, the person next to you, are they really that person, acting like they are the best person but instead they are blowing up people?" Glasby said.

It’s absurd to say that people are exactly as people perceive them. A lot of people don’t blare out every bit of what goes on in their mind. The people from the electrician school have said that Robinson was weird and didn’t speak much. What we do know from the Robinson family is that he had dived into politics, but only recently, and it was a veer to the left.

Well to the left of them was probably just getting a flu shot.

Again the whole thing just makes me sad. Tyler speaks as if he's a character- he clearly never considered the drudgery of waking up in prison every single day for the rest of your life vs. waking up with your cute bf and playing video games all day or going to the shooting range.

Its a crying shame.

Maybe Robinson had the same attitude as John Wilkes Booth, that he was the one who would be a savior.

R70 What you are referring to is the quote from Robnson's mother, as relayed to the press by the Utah County Attorney on Sept 16th. His mother allegedly stated that Robinson had, in the past year, become more pro-gay and trans rights oriented, which was interpreted as "leaning more to the left".

As a gay/bi person, in a relationship with a (possibly) trans person, this simply means he was interested in protecting himself, along with his and his partner's rights. This, however, appears to be the full extent of his "dive into politics", and it clearly does not make him "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology" as has been stated by both the Utah Governor, Spencer Cox, and Trump's other proxies, much less part of a "secret network of violent left-wing extremists" as Trump's administration has claimed.

R44 ok grandpa but we're talking about a 22 year old gamer male in the year 2025. These texts are suspect as hell. They come off sounding AI generated or scripted. It's sloppy legally for sure, but then judging by the absolute incompetence of Kash Patel and the current administration in general, this is just another day of coverups and efforts into creating a manipulated narrative to flood via media into the general population. It's been a shitshow this year. So much deliberate social conditioning being attempted constantly. Discernment is more critical now than ever before.

Isn't getting "into" trannies now just the stop on the way to gay now the way bi was previously. I'm noticing more "curious" dudes go Sniffies always looking for trannies.

Being, identifying or coming out as gay, or trans, or having a trans lover are not signs of "leftism." They're signs of being gay or trans or having a trans lover.

Is Caitlin Jenner a "leftist?" How about Peter Theil?

When the argument is trans/gay = equal "leftism" while the rhetoric says that leftist are violent, dangerous nutcases that need to be shut down, how is any of that not virulently homophobic?

If this is the pretext for the government clamping down on everyone and everything that is to the left of Susan Collins, we're all in for a very hellish future, left, right and center.

What is leftist ideology anyway? I doubt even individual conservatives can agree.

His family saying he "took a veer to the left" proves nothing. What does that mean? Attending meetings? Marches? Was he connected to any orgs or people who should be investigated?

If he got hooked on TikTok and saw trans and gay content that gave him the courage/motivation to come out, that's not a "veer to the left." That's someone discovering themselves.

His MAGA parents are not a reliable source for defining "the left." These are likely people who think vaccines are woke and Michelle Obama is a man. Anything not endorsed directly by Donald Trump is "the woke left" to them. A fucking logo change at a chain restaurant sends these people into a spiral. Not exactly a brain trust on the right these days.

Good post r79

[quote] His family saying he "took a veer to the left" proves nothing. What does that mean? Attending meetings? Marches? Was he connected to any orgs or people who should be investigated?

People need to know to that level of detail? Would it make any difference? We have what we have.

I got a 30 minute ban after posting R79.

Weird.

Could be a good sign r82, that FF abuse is being monitored more closely.

None of the charges against Robinson involve being an adherent of a certain ideology. The charges are aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, commission of a violent offence in the presence of a child. He's not being charged with a hate crime. While "ideology" may be relevant in that it can suggest motive and thereby can help in convicting him, "ideology" is not the most pertinent aspect for the investigators and the prosecutors.

Correct, R84, but we're also discussing the news media's coverage and the rhetoric of GOP leaders like Trump, Vance, Miller et al claiming that Robinson was a "leftist," that leftists must be "silenced," and threatening a crackdown on "the left," which most MAGAs conflate with all Democrats.

[quote]I got a 30 minute ban after posting [R79]. Weird.

Shifting my eyeballs setting to the left, I can see a lot of replies on this thread with strikethroughs. Someone has been hitting it hard. I just did the Chrome developer mode trick that someone posted on DL a while ago, and looking at the "network" tab, and one of the elements, I can see the "score" on the replies and your r79 reply is -2, with 7 FFs and 5 WWs. That's got to be one person doing that. There's no way 7 different people would have done that.

R86, any idea how much negative score activates a time-out?

[quote]any idea how much negative score activates a time-out?

No, but you were probably pulled out of purgatory by having WWs added, reducing the net negative.

Thanks

r73, John Wilkes Booth, like this guy, was in his 20s, which is a common age for assassins/attempted assassins. Young and male. Older men mellow out and women rarely do this shit at all.

The angry young man cliché. Not denying it.

He really believed that he was going to get away with it. Did he not understand that there are cameras everywhere?

[quote]The angry young man cliché.

Where do you see him portrayed as angry? He's stone cold, before, during, and after. He's a kind of sociopath, not a hothead.