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Fetterman says Democrats have ‘forgotten why we lost’ and Trump is ‘not an autocrat’

Democratic Sen. John Fetterman has a warning for his party: learn from the politically charged whirlwind that put Donald Trump back in the White House and secured Republicans control of both chambers of Congress or risk staying in the minority.

“They have forgotten one of the reasons why we lost in 2024,” Fetterman said of his fellow Democrats in a wide-ranging interview with CNN’s Manu Raju on “Inside Politics Sunday.”

The Pennsylvania Democrat, who was first elected by just a five-point margin in 2022, said some of the party’s more left-wing views were “weaponized” against Democrats last fall.

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by Anonymousreply 104September 17, 2025 9:50 AM

“Some people think now we have to double down on those things or we must become more progressive or more extreme,” said Fetterman, who has renounced the “progressive” label in recent years, continuing, “That’s absolutely not true. The seven or eight states that are going to determine who’s going to be our next president, you know, we have to win in those states, and I understand what that takes.”

Fetterman’s comments come as the Democratic Party reassess how to talk to voters about crime, immigration and culture wars ahead of the 2026 midterms elections. The first-term senator hasn’t shied away from outspoken criticism of his Democratic colleagues on issues he finds to be reactive, like their response to Trump federalizing Washington, DC’s law enforcement, or potentially explosive, like withholding votes on a government funding bill.

“Clearly, we’ve lost the argument” on the issues that delivered Trump a second term, Fetterman lamented.

“We’ve really lost our connection with American voters in ways,” he said, declaring that Democrats won’t find political success from just being “reactive” to the Republican president.

Though the Democratic presidential ticket made labeling Trump a “threat to democracy” a central campaign theme, Fetterman cautioned against comparing him to an autocrat.

“We have to turn the temperature down. It’s like we can’t compare people to these kinds of figures in history. And this is not an autocrat. This is a product of a democratic election,” he said. “It’s like, I participated in that. It was safe and it was secure. We lost, and the American people put us in the minority. That’s democracy.”

He continued: “I revere democracy. I may not like the outcome, but I have to respect that.”

Pressed on whether he agrees that Trump, who has broadly brandished executive power since taking office a second time, is shattering the norms of democracy, Fetterman responded, “He’s definitely different, but that’s what America voted for.”

by Anonymousreply 1September 15, 2025 4:27 AM

Pennsylvania should be hanging its head in shame, for electing this slob to Congress.

He's an embarrassment.

Then again, PA also voted Donald Trump into office - TWICE.

So they are clearly not the smartest state in the union.

Alabama of the North, indeed!

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by Anonymousreply 2September 15, 2025 4:33 AM

Dr Zionstein's monster

by Anonymousreply 3September 15, 2025 4:37 AM

Fellow stroke victim here with a message for Mr Fetterman:

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by Anonymousreply 4September 15, 2025 4:48 AM

Fortunately for Fetterman when he's voted out at the primary he can always find acting work if Hollywood revives "The Hills have Eyes."

by Anonymousreply 5September 15, 2025 5:12 AM

which one of trumps constitutional oversteps is AOK for Fetterman? Just how brain rattled is he?

by Anonymousreply 6September 15, 2025 5:17 AM

[quote]Then again, PA also voted Donald Trump into office - TWICE. So they are clearly not the smartest state in the union.

Well, we do have a great and popular Democratic Governor.

by Anonymousreply 7September 15, 2025 5:29 AM

Looking forward to this idiot losing the primary as well. His brain is mush and he's toast.

by Anonymousreply 8September 15, 2025 5:43 AM

LURCH isn't the arbiter of knowledge. HOWEVER too many Democrats don't seem to understand WHY we lost. They didn't "forget". They don't fucking know why. A recipe for disaster. Also Pete Buttigieg was on Meet the Press doing his Joy Behar Trump-Whining impression. That isn't how we win in 2028.

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by Anonymousreply 9September 15, 2025 5:44 AM

Trump is ‘not an autocrat’

Then what is he Fetterman?

by Anonymousreply 10September 15, 2025 5:49 AM

we could have had conor lamb, but the bros fucked that up for us.

by Anonymousreply 11September 15, 2025 5:55 AM

The Democratic Party has been hijacked by 1% of the party, who thinks biological gender is based on feelings and thoughts. The Democratic Leaders are afraid to speak up. Meanwhile the idiot who DID speak up, WON...Think about that next election. Stop giving money to groups who fundraise on the LGBT platform and give THEMs 80% of the resources.

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by Anonymousreply 12September 15, 2025 5:57 AM

[quote]we could have had conor lamb, but the bros fucked that up for us.

I voted for Conor Lamb in the primary, r11. "The bros"?

by Anonymousreply 13September 15, 2025 6:01 AM

He turned into Joe Lieberman.

by Anonymousreply 14September 15, 2025 6:07 AM

How long before we see Fetterman in a suit and tie, standing before a bank of microphones, self-righteously intoning "AH di'nt leave tha Democrat Party; tha Democrat Party left ME!"?

by Anonymousreply 15September 15, 2025 6:20 AM

Time to go, Jethro.

by Anonymousreply 16September 15, 2025 6:21 AM

[quote]How long before we see Fetterman in a suit and tie, standing before a bank of microphones, self-righteously intoning "AH di'nt leave tha Democrat Party; tha Democrat Party left ME!"?

No time soon because the concept of a suit and tie is foreign to him.

by Anonymousreply 17September 15, 2025 6:31 AM

[quote]Progressives should be hanging their heads in shame for forcing this slob on us.

by Anonymousreply 18September 15, 2025 6:46 AM

He loves democracy; Trump doesn’t. He’s too much of a pussy to say it. Fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 19September 15, 2025 6:46 AM

Fetterman needs to be primaried. He is not healthy physically or mentally, and he misled Democrats. We need a new Democratic Senator from PA.

by Anonymousreply 20September 15, 2025 7:00 AM

Conor Lamb, r20

by Anonymousreply 21September 15, 2025 8:21 AM

He is from a state Dems must win and ended up voting for Trump twice. He gets that being anti Trump is not enough. Fetterman the person is a mess but his political instincts are correct.,

Trump gives his voters a clear message…he’s anti immigration, anti crime and for a return to US manufacturing. All bs of course but the message is still clear. What message do Dems send…they hate Trump and support certain cultural and social issues, it’s NOT enough.

by Anonymousreply 22September 15, 2025 8:22 AM

Connor Lamb incoming!

by Anonymousreply 23September 15, 2025 10:17 AM

Wrong and wronger, Bluto.

by Anonymousreply 24September 15, 2025 10:23 AM

Christ, the only reason he won is because he ran against -- [bold]Dr. Oz![/bold] who didn't even live in PA! The Republicans in PA are such assholes I have no idea how they keep on winning.

by Anonymousreply 25September 15, 2025 11:22 AM

I don't agree with his defense of Trump (who is authoritarian) but he is bringing up some valid points.

by Anonymousreply 26September 15, 2025 11:26 AM

Where are the lies?

Fetterman lives in THE swingiest swing state of them all, he understands better than anyone why we lost in 2024.

by Anonymousreply 27September 15, 2025 11:27 AM

Let's start with: Trump is ‘not an autocrat’, R27. Or do you agree with him on that?

by Anonymousreply 28September 15, 2025 11:32 AM

Democrats lost because the party felt it could act like the Republicans and embrace the Big Lie. It was Orwellian. The Bidens are just as craven, corrupt and cynical as the Trumps and no one would call them out on it. Too much damage had been done by the time he dropped out.

by Anonymousreply 29September 15, 2025 11:32 AM

57% of Americans support nationalized healthcare, 65% support a public option, 62% support raising the minimum wage. The third way want to tie all progressive economic policies to the trannies and everything else and pretend they aren't winners.

by Anonymousreply 30September 15, 2025 11:32 AM

He talks fucking bullshit

by Anonymousreply 31September 15, 2025 11:48 AM

[quote]57% of Americans support nationalized healthcare, 65% support a public option, 62% support raising the minimum wage.

Why don't they vote that way?

[quote]Let's start with: Trump is ‘not an autocrat’, [R27]. Or do you agree with him on that?

He's ruling by executive order, which is a custom and practice that all Presidents have exercised. He is not an autocrat; the other branches are not doing their jobs to keep the Executive Branch in check. Even though the lower courts are trying.

by Anonymousreply 32September 15, 2025 11:49 AM

If he wore a suit, maybe people people would listen to his message.

by Anonymousreply 33September 15, 2025 11:52 AM

That was exactly my point, R17.

Sloppy is fine if he's a Democrat, but I'll bet when he crosses over he'll be in suit and red tie. Sorry, didn't think I needed to spell that out. Mea culpa.

by Anonymousreply 34September 15, 2025 1:53 PM

The Krysten Sinema of Pennsylvania. He'll be gone by the next cycle but he won't step down (as he should do).

by Anonymousreply 35September 15, 2025 2:13 PM

R32, why would he need to be kept in check if he's not an autocrat?

You seem to be describing an autocrat

by Anonymousreply 36September 15, 2025 2:16 PM

I would perhaps take Fetterman's comments more serious is he didn't show up for work dresses like his mother didn't just drop him off for a play date.

by Anonymousreply 37September 15, 2025 2:34 PM

Look at him sitting there like some gross MAGA dad in the lobby of a Holiday Inn. The man has no respect for the office he was elected too or to the citizens that elected him thinking that he was a progressive. He is 100% MAGA and a fucking embarrassment.

by Anonymousreply 38September 15, 2025 2:52 PM

[quote]57% of Americans support nationalized healthcare, 65% support a public option, 62% support raising the minimum wage.

Because their fear of transgenders, crime, immigration and "socialism" outweighs their economic survival sense.

Social media and the rise of an unrestrained narcissist as their standard-bearer have made it even easier for Republicans to exploit these fears.

by Anonymousreply 39September 15, 2025 3:08 PM

The whole "this is what Americans voted for" argument is nonsense. Americans voted for Trump because he promised to bring prices down. They didn't vote for people being abducted off the streets, or for cancer research to be decimated, or for tariffs that raise consumer prices across the board.

by Anonymousreply 40September 15, 2025 3:12 PM

This fake Huey Long has drank the Kool-Aid. I agree he is a disgrace. Democrats always allow people into their party who turn out to be disloyal. That's their real downfall. As for the way he looks, well that tells you who he thinks he is- not what he really is.

by Anonymousreply 41September 15, 2025 3:12 PM

R40

[quote] Americans voted for Trump because he promised to bring prices down. They didn't vote for people being abducted off the streets, or for cancer research to be decimated, or for tariffs that raise consumer prices across the board.

Really? Than they weren't paying attention. And apparently neither were you.

by Anonymousreply 42September 15, 2025 3:18 PM

I voted for Conor Lamb in the Dem Senate primary and I'm glad I did

by Anonymousreply 43September 15, 2025 3:18 PM

[quote]Really? Than they weren't paying attention. And apparently neither were you.

Nonsense. Yes, all of that was in Project 2025, but the media refused to cover that, and most Americans with real lives and real jobs who aren't terminally online simply assumed that they'd be getting first-term Trump all over again.

by Anonymousreply 44September 15, 2025 3:34 PM

...has [bold]drank[/bold] the Kool-Aid?

by Anonymousreply 45September 15, 2025 3:35 PM

[quote].has drank the Kool-Aid?

No, he's "drank" the bitter self-destructive brew of consultants telling him who he has to be to get reelected. He lacks the capacity to nuance this and make it palatable to the base. He's suffered from mental illness and neurologic issues.

Democrats should be shopping for a primary challenger. like yesterday..

by Anonymousreply 46September 15, 2025 3:47 PM

He's a Sloth - and probably smells like one too!

by Anonymousreply 47September 15, 2025 4:07 PM

R46, I hope Conor Lamb runs against him again

by Anonymousreply 48September 15, 2025 4:08 PM

Fetterman looks like a deranged homeless person. I would cross to the other side of the street if I saw him approaching.

by Anonymousreply 49September 15, 2025 4:28 PM

Having never known a stroke victim personally I had no idea how it could affect their brain. My 82 year old mother had one and boy her eggs are indeed scrambled ! I now realize he should have stepped down when it occurred. Theres no way hes thinking clearly or rationally .

by Anonymousreply 50September 15, 2025 4:32 PM

[quote] Americans voted for Trump because he promised to bring prices down. They didn't vote for people being abducted off the streets, or for cancer research to be decimated, or for tariffs that raise consumer prices across the board.

Americans claimed to vote for Trump for economic reasons. It is a charade -- most Trumpers voted to embrace hate, hostility toward everyone and nihilism. The economy is worse than before Trump, billionaires got tax cuts, farmers are crying, jobs were lost and the only businesses that are booming are gun ranges.

by Anonymousreply 51September 15, 2025 4:35 PM

White AmeriKKKa couldn't stand ANOTHER person of color as POTUS. Of course Trump wasn't going to do shit for the economy. It was the same with the Tea Party-a bunch of racist Archie Bunkers but the media tried to spin it as 'rust belt economic anxiety'.

by Anonymousreply 52September 15, 2025 4:45 PM

I think all this bullshit around Charlie Kirk's assassination lays bare what MAGA is all about. An unrepentant white supremacist being lauded as a Christian and a legitimate "conservative activist" -- likened to MLK. The difference being MLK was prepared to die for his convictions. Kirk was not, he was just a grifter monetizing hate, who expected to live to long enough to run for President.

by Anonymousreply 53September 15, 2025 4:56 PM

R29 What Biden family are you talking about that's as "craven, cynical and corrupt" as the Trumps? Did the Bidens make 3.4 BILLION dollars during Joe's presidency OR accept a Goddamn plane from a dictator?

Are you high?

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by Anonymousreply 54September 15, 2025 5:16 PM

Folks here are shooting the messenger. The [bold]massive[/bold] denial in examining the 2024 loss beyond "Stolen!" "Racists!" etc. will ensure R wins ahead. For the record, I think Fetterman isn't up to the job either. Fine with me when Shapiro puts in a replacement.

by Anonymousreply 55September 15, 2025 5:26 PM

What's funny about his refusal suits is that it started when he was elected to the Senate. He had no problem wearing one and a tie when he performed official duties, like opening the legislature. There are pictures. I found odd that he switched on the oppositional defiance once he arrived in D.C.

by Anonymousreply 56September 15, 2025 5:29 PM

I don't think Fetterman's specific argument is correct.

But there are too many old timers trying the old way in the Democratic party. There needs to be a balanced mix of some people focusing on the issues voters are most concerned about (crime, immigration and economy) with a smaller balance of forward thinking progressives that can make incremental headway with some of the other issues happening.

The real issue is that there are no centrist Republicans that can vote in a coalition with centrist Dems, so unless Dems win big in both the Senate and House, we're going to have more of the same.

by Anonymousreply 57September 15, 2025 5:37 PM

R55 See that's interesting... because while you love to highlight the Left's failings, you never acknowledge the duplicitous nature of the Right. I mean...that IS how they win. Not on merit or by something they've actually accomplished, but by constant untruths and hyperbole.

by Anonymousreply 58September 15, 2025 5:43 PM

[quote]Why don't they vote that way?

Because the Democratic messaging is terrible to non-existent. The Republicans have successfully branded Progressives as “free shit for blacks and trannies and Muslims.”

by Anonymousreply 59September 15, 2025 6:03 PM

If only there were examples from history of other “democratically elected” autocrats.

by Anonymousreply 60September 15, 2025 6:09 PM

[quote] White AmeriKKKa couldn't stand ANOTHER person of color as POTUS. Of course

That’s why some many poc voted for Trump. Get a clue. Kamala was a joke.

by Anonymousreply 61September 15, 2025 6:27 PM

[quote] The Republicans have successfully branded Progressives as “free shit for blacks and trannies and Muslims.”

Progressives have proudly branded themselves that. They’re horribly deranged people.

by Anonymousreply 62September 15, 2025 6:28 PM

[quote]The Bidens are just as craven, corrupt and cynical as the Trumps and no one would call them out on it. Too much damage had been done by the time he dropped out.

This has to be the biggest crock of BULLSHIT I've read on here in a long time, R29.

by Anonymousreply 63September 15, 2025 9:51 PM

More wise words from Senator Gym Shorts.

by Anonymousreply 64September 15, 2025 9:53 PM

[quote] That’s why some many poc voted for Trump.

You must be new to the English language.

by Anonymousreply 65September 15, 2025 9:53 PM

Amazing. I think he's actually right, except I don't think the Democrats ever knew why they lost. This thread isn't giving me hope that we will come together around a candidate who can win. I don't mean that I like what he says--but I do want us to win.

by Anonymousreply 66September 15, 2025 9:56 PM

[quote]Progressives have proudly branded themselves that. They’re horribly deranged people.

The only place where progressives branded themselves as that is in your mind. And then to call others deranged after posting that bullshit, pot meet kettle.

by Anonymousreply 67September 15, 2025 10:00 PM

This brain-dead Frankenstein monster has no useful advice to offer anyone on any subject.

by Anonymousreply 68September 16, 2025 7:40 AM

Enjoy what little time you have left in Congress, you big lumbering slob.

by Anonymousreply 69September 16, 2025 10:18 AM

[quote] He is from a state Dems must win and ended up voting for Trump twice. He gets that being anti Trump is not enough. Fetterman the person is a mess but his political instincts are correct.,

You are correct. And he is correct.

The Democrats have an image problem.

by Anonymousreply 70September 16, 2025 10:43 AM

But it's easier to call him names and talk about his looks than to listen to what he says.

by Anonymousreply 71September 16, 2025 11:52 AM

This stupid motherfucker needs to have himself another stroke, step down, and let Conor Lamb take his place.

by Anonymousreply 72September 16, 2025 11:54 AM

He is correct. Apologies to anyone who believes moving further left will secure victory next time. I don’t think that approach will strengthen the party—it’s more likely to weaken it. Policies like defunding the police, open borders, eliminating cash bail, DEI initiatives, and democratic socialism may resonate with a small segment, but they appeal to even fewer voters in the flyover states. They may feel good, but they don’t win hearts and minds for most people.

by Anonymousreply 73September 16, 2025 12:10 PM

Defund the police was a dumb narrative that the Democratic party never pushed. They were for police reform, but it got lumped together.

by Anonymousreply 74September 16, 2025 12:13 PM

R73, nope. I think it's high time for you so-called 'centrists' to explain why you keep bending over for Republicans and taking it up the ass from the likes of Trump, Lindseybelle, constantly and suspiciously out to attack fellow Democrats, but oh my God, let Liz Cheney throw you a bone, and there you all are, licking her snatch.

I think the era of your little narrative is ending.

And I'm not a "progressive" or "leftist."

by Anonymousreply 75September 16, 2025 12:13 PM

BTW, it's time to take the keys away from Fetterman. He's a risk to himself and to others, not only on the road, but just in general. He's obviously not competent.

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by Anonymousreply 76September 16, 2025 12:18 PM

This smelly loser needs to have another stroke.

He dresses like a fucking bum, and he speaks like one, too. No great loss.

by Anonymousreply 77September 16, 2025 12:20 PM

Isn't this stupid cunt desperately seeking his daddy's approval?

by Anonymousreply 78September 16, 2025 12:23 PM

R74 The name didn't help. VERY dumb name. It should've been more specific like..."Inject leftover funds into the community" or something.

But nobody asked me...

by Anonymousreply 79September 16, 2025 12:24 PM

I hope Gisele escapes him alive.

by Anonymousreply 80September 16, 2025 12:27 PM

Dems lost because white supremacy is still very strong and Trump ran with a progressive message: lower prices, better child care, etc.

All of it was BS of course but, unless the Dems become more vocally progressive, they’re doomed, “We’re the moderate party” has completely failed

by Anonymousreply 81September 16, 2025 12:32 PM

Fetterman is more damaged than we first thought...well, they can have him

by Anonymousreply 82September 16, 2025 12:35 PM

[quote][R73], nope. I think it's high time for you so-called 'centrists' to explain why you keep bending over for Republicans

What you call bending over is just an acceptance of real facts. Until the democratic base decides that voting in every election, instead of every 4 years, is essential, then democrats have to appeal to a broad coalition of people, including non-MAGA republicans. This means accepting that certain issues are fringe issues and not widely popular, which means distancing the party from those issues and riding the fence until the electorate comes around.

This country is center-right, and no matter how much some of you may wish that weren't the case, it is what it is. I don't care what polls say about where the voters are on the issues. What we know is that if the choice is between $85 eggs or ICE raids, they're choosing ICE raids.

by Anonymousreply 83September 16, 2025 12:55 PM

I don't get the thinking here. Attack voters for being racists and MAGAs but tell the Dems to run candidates further to the left? Look at the electoral map of the US. Dems only look competitive because of New York and California. Once you remove those states, it's a grim picture of a right/conservative country.

by Anonymousreply 84September 16, 2025 1:08 PM

Democrats have painted themselves into a corner, now waiting for paint to dry to possibly get out of it. Not just trans, but also racial issues.

by Anonymousreply 85September 16, 2025 1:10 PM

The one possibility with running progressives is that they do votes from people who feel screwed economically. Maybe that’s enough people to win elections. But they need to backpedal the POC stuff. That just turns off the angry white guys and doesn’t appeal to POC either.

by Anonymousreply 86September 16, 2025 1:59 PM

..do get votes..

by Anonymousreply 87September 16, 2025 1:59 PM

What we’re not gonna do is become Republican lite. The angry white guys can stay gone

by Anonymousreply 88September 16, 2025 2:04 PM

[quote] But they need to backpedal the POC stuff. That just turns off the angry white guys and doesn’t appeal to POC either.

What POC stuff do you mean? Are you talking about politically correct language?

by Anonymousreply 89September 16, 2025 2:14 PM

[Quote] Attack voters for being racists and MAGAs but tell the Dems to run candidates further to the left?

Even voters on the right respond to progressive ideas

by Anonymousreply 90September 16, 2025 2:30 PM

[quote]Even voters on the right respond to progressive ideas

Responding and voting are two different things.

by Anonymousreply 91September 16, 2025 2:42 PM

People are missing the real point here.

Fetterman is mentally unstable, and not to be taken seriously.

by Anonymousreply 92September 16, 2025 3:31 PM

I think POC means people of color (not R86)

by Anonymousreply 93September 16, 2025 3:46 PM

A big tent leaves the Democrats vulnerable to interlopers like this

by Anonymousreply 94September 16, 2025 3:53 PM

R85, too bad hardly anyone votes based on trans or racial issues. Most people vote based on the economy

by Anonymousreply 95September 16, 2025 5:22 PM

If you donated to Fetterman and want your money back you can put in a request at press@johnfetterman.com

Seriously. Just say that you're disappointed and you want your money back.

by Anonymousreply 96September 16, 2025 5:25 PM

[quote] Look at the electoral map of the US. Dems only look competitive because of New York and California.

Unlike your idiotic and reductive take, most BLUE is in large cities (not just New York and California), and most Americans live in large cities, not swaths of empty prairie or little meth towns.

by Anonymousreply 97September 16, 2025 8:00 PM

PA voter here. May Fetterman burn in hell with Charlie Kirk.

by Anonymousreply 98September 16, 2025 10:44 PM

You know those websites like Charity Navigator on a percentage scale reveal how much of a donation goes to the actual cause and how much goes to the administration of the charity?

Voters should demand and equivalent level of transparency for political donations. How much of your donation goes to fucking consultants telling Democrats not to fight and wait it out? vs How much of the donation goes to the mechanics of mobilizing voters, beating the fascists and learning how to fight like a Stonewall Queen, because that's what I want and I don't want to pay for more fundraisers, more consultants telling Dems to cut off their balls and spread the fantasy bullshit that we are not in danger of losing our freedoms and some dumb cunt consultant told Fetterman ..

by Anonymousreply 99September 16, 2025 11:51 PM

Let's send Fetterman to Uganda and watch him praise their Human Rights initiatives.

by Anonymousreply 100September 17, 2025 1:24 AM

His wife, an immigrant from Brazil, roasts his ass on-line. He should be primaried by and replaced by his wife.

by Anonymousreply 101September 17, 2025 2:55 AM

[quote]Fetterman is mentally unstable, and not to be taken seriously

Very true in the first instance.

True in the second instance much of the time, but don’t you think what he is saying about Democrats attracting voters ought to be taken seriously?

Shouldn’t the focus be on the good economic policies the Democrats have and the bad ones the Republicans have wrought? Shouldn’t the Democrats point out that Bannon taught the Republicans to light the flames of the culture war to distract from Conservative failures rather than, like fools, joining in the culture wars with the “debate me bro!” podcasters?

The goal is to get into office.

by Anonymousreply 102September 17, 2025 6:28 AM

It's sad. That stroke really messed with his brain and it doesn't appear that he's ever been the same person since.

by Anonymousreply 103September 17, 2025 7:43 AM

[Quote] Trump is ‘not an autocrat’ Then what is he Fetterman?

A deranged asshole who won the House & Senate.

by Anonymousreply 104September 17, 2025 9:50 AM
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