Charlie Kirk Shot In The Neck (and Dead) — Part 3

No and nah

Dump has already moved on.

Reporter: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?

Donald: I think very good. . . . They started construction on the new ballroom . . . it's going to be a beauty. It'll be absolutely magnificent.

Have the tears stopped?

Now that "they" who "murdered Charlie Kirk" have been revealed to be white MAGA?

“Daddy’s on a work trip with Jesus!”

I smell a new Lisa Beamer.

Well, R3, we do know he’s white.

What products might the Widow Kirk attempt to launch, a la Lisa Beamer's "Let's Roll" cinnamon rolls?

Charlie Kirk's Easy-Bake Oven, with Jewish and dark-skinned dolls

Charlie Kirk bulletproof dickies

The Charlie Kirk ICE play set: Deluxe version comes with life-size backyard cages to lock up your most pigmented friends

Lady Kirk's "Dark and Grateful" hair care products: To help black women replicate the hairstyles of the 1940s, when life was better for them

Cute shooter Tyler has a slight lisp.

I don't condone anybody being shot, even somebody as reprehensible as Charlie Kirk, but I can't say I'm feeling sorry about it.

It's a shame because he was a fucking idiot. Very easy to take down in debates.

He was worth more to us alive.

Plus, obviously violence is not the way to handle things.

Kirk’s wife Erika is a Stepford Bible Thumper Bimbo. That video released tonight was hilarious. What a moron. Maybe she’ll be Don Jr’s next conquest and they’ll both drop dead from an overdose. Maybe then her kids will stand a chance of being decent human beings.

[quote]Kirk’s wife Erika is a Stepford Bible Thumper Bimbo.

Her hair is lank as straw

Her voice is full of griefs

Her nerves are rather raw

She's got Megan Draper teefs

What the fuck is a groyper??

Or is it grouper?? Isn’t that a fish??

Wow. Battling insomnia and just watched Erika's statement. Sweet Jesus what a hot mess. This feels like a bad, bad nightmare and the cast of evil characters continue to grow. Grieving widow? She's collecting her cash and likely getting stuffed in all holes right now. Her late hubby wasn't giving it to her obviously.

This did make me laugh..

He was murdered by his own target demographic: a straight, white, 22-year-old, college-educated kid from the West with Republican parents.

That profile makes sense because outside of that bubble, nobody really cared. Over the past few days, so many people had to Google who Charlie Kirk was. Even those who recognized his name or a viral clip barely scratched the surface of what he actually said.

The “demonic liberal monster” the right has been screaming about wasn’t an outsider. It was one of their own kids. He was close to home. He was their sons. Outside of Trump, MAGA’s reach isn’t that big, which is exactly why it will collapse without him.

To continue, watching this unfold has made me think about white American culture and how often it latches onto subcultures and fringe groups. For many, “white American” feels like such a thin identity that it creates a hunger for scenes to belong to: beatniks, hippies, punks, goths, MAGA, “queer,” Christian nationalists. The lack of rooted cultural identity makes the white middle class especially vulnerable to cults in the U.S.

You don’t see this pattern as strongly in Hispanic/Latino, Black, or Asian communities or in heavily immigrant European communities on the East Coast. I don’t know many MAGA Greeks or Portuguese girls shaving their heads and declaring themselves non-binary. Their ethnic identities give them a foundation. They don’t have to chase after one.

That’s the problem with America we never really talk about.

Nazi on Nazi crime. Who cares?

Inside Edition gives a really good summary of Tyler Robinson's background.

Such a shame, because he's a very smart guy.

R19 Wow, he was exactly what I was talking about in R16 and that video makes it clear. He was the exact example model of who Charlie Kirk was trying to reach and preach to and convert into MAGA. That was Kirk’s literal mission.

The right doesn’t realize that people outside of that doesn’t really watch or pay attention to them.

R17 it’s an interesting question and one that I have thought about as a black American a lot. Human beings are social animals and need to feel like they belong somewhere, have a sense of community. When you are the majority, where do you find your sense of community? And for young white Americans they can’t celebrate being white, like I can celebrate being black without it being rife with controversy. They can’t celebrate being American like I can without it sounding jingoistic and supremacist. Explaining someone’s privilege to them is like explaining water to a fish. Yes you can intellectually grasp it, but if you don’t feel it in your personal life, it doesn’t much matter - especially when you get to see others celebrating their identities. And truth be told, it stings more when you’re told who you are is bad and you have to carry the weight of the evils of the past. You can call it the “Sins of the father” but there will always be a revolt when people no longer want to carry that mantle. This leaves kids like Tyler vulnerable and ripe for the picking - this unfulfilled need to culturally belong somewhere.

That’s why I find gay white American males interesting. They are one of the few sets of white Americans who understand what being a minority in this country feels like. And some of the few white American males who can proudly claim and celebrate an identity, their community.

Oddly enough, oppression gives identity, community. That’s why people like Charlie Kirk need to paint themselves as victims of a society that’s trying to erase them to gather a following - even though they are a majority with the laws of the land stacked in their favor.

r10 agreed. At least he let people debate him and share alternative viewpoints. There were many times his own arguments fell flat and his opponents came out on top (at least in my view). Other conservative media personalities usually just share their own side. And I hate to say it, but there are other more extremist social media personalities for whom this opens an empty space to fill

Agreed R10. The mythology that has quickly developed that Kirk was some great debater, able to turn hearts and minds with a smile, has long been, well…debatable.

R13 And an excellent musician

Yes, such a brilliant debater.

Here a cute twink destroys Kirk on the subject of DEI.

America was FOUNDED on DEI — the two-senators-from-every-state policy and the Electoral College are diversity, equity and inclusion on their face.

Meanwhile, as late as July, Kirk was trying to bust colleges for renaming their DEI programs to get around Trump's anti-DEI commands.

As in this post on his Twitter account, where he tagged ICE and Kristi Noem.

He was a really evil person, a true sadist just like Trump.

How could Charlie Kirk argue DEI at R25 and NOT know the largest benefactor of DEI by far is White Women. When you go down the list of all the people DEI is designed to help, black people are actually at the bottom of the list behind asian, disabled, military personnel, etc...

I am still trying to wrap my head around the audacity that a 31 yo community school drop out had the nerve to say a black woman like Michelle Obama, a Princeton, Harvard Law School graduate, didn't have the brain power to get a job on her own merits and had to steal it from a white man.

[R21] Great post, I had never really thought that through and it makes a lot of sense.

[quote] At least he let people debate him and share alternative viewpoints

But his whole "debate" program was a platform to put out and normalize the most heinous ideas about everyone who wasn't a straight white Christian man—truly KKK-level stuff. Of course he was an idiot and a terrible "debater," but he made people—smarter people—take his ideas about blacks and women and gays seriously enough to take the time argue them away. His last words were a non-sequitur to divert from a serious question about random mass shootings.

They had their narrative so set and fired up and battle-ready: it’s time to go to war against the Radical Left! NOW! Slaughter them in the name of Charlie!

Then the shooter’s dad turned him in and it became clear he does not fit that narrative. AT ALL.

Now there is confusion among them. Still blame the Left? Pivot to other things like shaming random Bad Libs who celebrated the killing on social media? Declare a conspiracy theory? Just move in?

They don’t know what to do now, as a movement that was 100% fired up and unified and pre-violent and ready to go… until we all learned the name of Tyler Robinson.

R16 the shooter is a 1 semester college drop out.

And by "Sins of the Father" I mean exactly this:

The United States of America was built on land stolen from one group of people through genoicde and built by another group of people through forced labor. When it comes to slavery, it is VERY easy for obvious reasons, to paint this as a white vs. black thing. That is what Jillian Michaels was doing recently by diminishing the effects of slavery by saying there were white people fighting against it. But is is not White vs. Black. The problem with slavery that we still deal with today lays squarely at the feet of the United States government and their inability to acknowledge (not even apologize for) for a governmentally regulated system that enslaved millions of Americans for 100 years after the country's inception. I think a somewhat official apology came under the Biden administration to no fanfare. That is how long it took. This is tantamount to an abusive father who beat his kids growing up showing up to Thanksgiving dinner and expecting all to be forgiven without acknowledging the damage that he has cost.

We have ALL paid for this mistake, black and white. Slavery is not just something that happened to black people. The affects of it have damaged all Americans, and is a stain on our country - that is how it should be viewed. White people pay the price for it now as well. Our government failed us in this area and left us to our own devices to fight it out on our own - to make sense of the repercussions on our own. There was a split second after slavery during Reconstruction when the dangerous proposition of poor black and poor whites coming together was taking root but that was immediately stopped with the institutionalization of Jim Crow and the rise of the KKK, turning us once again against each other. So it was very intentional. And here we are today facing the exact same issues. And we will continue to face the exact same issues because of unaddressed trauma.

And to be 100% honest, I don't even begin to know how you address it now. I have no clue.

[quote] They had their narrative so set and fired up and battle-ready: it’s time to go to war against the Radical Left! NOW! Slaughter them in the name of Charlie!

[quote] Then the shooter’s dad turned him in and it became clear he does not fit that narrative. AT ALL.

From another Kirk thread:

[quote] I accidentally clicked on a post in Reddit's conservative forum and saw a story that the shooter was the only leftist one in his family, according to a friend who hadn't talked to him in a few years. I don't know if it's true, but it's a good reminder that just because someone is from a right-wing family, it doesn't mean they are, too. I'm hoping the story is untrue, because those angry mobs (the Republican party) don't need any more gasoline on their inextinguishable tire fire.

The kid was extremely bright with a 4.0 GPA. Imagine being that bright in a MAGA family where you are handled a gun before the age of ten and your dad is a preacher/cop. Do you think that there were any books in that house? Any travel other than the army gun shows that the family travelled to and posted on FB? No, so this kid was totally susceptible to online radicalization from internet weirdos.

His mother was a social worker who worked with the disabled. I’m sure there were some books in the house. Plus he was an excellent student. so everything in his life was not just guns.

[quote] I don't know if it's true, but it's a good reminder that just because someone is from a right-wing family, it doesn't mean they are, too.

And as I can personally attest, the converse is true, also.

Not sure why taking away opportunities from white women would be a thing he'd shy away from, R27. Smashing up any DEI moves is a total win for someone like him. He didn't like anyone but white, male, straight Christians having any kind of power or money.

All of the things he engraved on his bullets were Groyper memes. We have a 4chan presidency and this kind of thing will happen. The kid was indoctrinated a long time ago. Dressing up like Trump wearing Pepe the frog face. Dressing as another Pepe the Frog meme. He's been online a long time. I bet his parents were thrilled that he was still a flavor of Republican.

BUT THE LEFT, R34!!!

I like how the right is suddenly doing an about-face and almost empathizing with the shooter now that they know he’s one of them. But the left still sucks and is inciting violence!!!

The most we can say now with any authority, R39, is that he comes from one of them. Not - as much as I wish it could be said with authority - that "he’s one of them."

I agree with you R37, but his whole schtick about DEI that he was decimating into the world was that DEI was about black and brown people taking white jobs. For someone acclaimed as an expert debater, it seems like he would have been better informed on one of his tentpole arguments before taking his circus on the road.

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Ashley Allison can go fuck herself. She was on Kaitlin Collins’ CNN show last night alongside Scott Jennings and basically praised Charlie Kirk for his “debate” shit. She was meant to be Jennings’ Dem counterpoint and she was anything but. All she did was say Kirk had said things that had “hurt” her. I don’t give.a shit that she’s been praying about this. She should be ashamed of herself. Fucking phony. I was never a fan of hers but this was certainly confirmation that she’s utterly worthless. And CNN’s oarade of Kirk apologists goes on and on.

Fortunately, it appears that the investigation & prosecution appears be exclusively in the state's jurisdiction. I trust the state officials far more than Patel's FBI to uncover the shooter's real motivations, whether they be from the left or inspired on the right by Nick Fuentes.

This is what will ultimately bring down Maga and Project 2025 and the second Trump government. There's no real unity of purpose behind them, just a coalition of fanatics, saddos and dark triad personalities.

I'm a white American with no particular cultural or ethnic identity and I've had a really good and fulfilling life in large part thanks to, yes, the unique cultural privilege white Americans have to define themselves without others forcing definitions on them. The idea you have to have "white pride" in order to win some sort of competition with Asians or Latinos or whatever is ridiculous to me and is one of the more fucked up lies perpetuated by the likes of the late Charlie.

[quote] that he was decimating into the world

Oh, dear. "Disseminating," maybe?

How is MAGA spinning the fact that the shooter came from a gun toting conservative MAGA family?

Excellent post R45

Seconded, great comment R45.

I’m in the passenger seat on a 1 hour drive and we’re listening to Panic World (Ryan Broderick), a podcast I highly recommend. They’re delving into the “dark/online” culture Tyler Robinson was likely marinating in, based on the selection of memes he inscribed on the bullets. These kinds of young males do not fit onto the mainstream conception of a left-to-right political continuum.

[quote]Reporter: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?

[quote]Donald: I think very good. . . . They started construction on the new ballroom . . . it's going to be a beauty. It'll be absolutely magnificent.

Fantasy follow-up:

Reporter: Would it be a fitting tribute to name the new ballroom after Charlie Kirk?

Donald: (Pause, looks around)...No more questions...

Gay students are reporting that they went to peacefully protest Kirk at the rally. The only police they saw were the three dispatched to watch that they didn’t display a rainbow flag, which is apparently illegal

Nancy Mace now calls Tyler Robinson “a lost soul,” right after railing against Dems the day before

Does MAGA really talk about "white pride", r45? I thought Trump won the election because he has a growing appeal for Latinos, blacks and Asians, who find the Democrats with their increasingly "bourgeois" obsessions less relevant to them.

So we go from a deranged lunatic that needs to be stopped to "a lost soul?"

R51, I read the security (nothing to do with flags) was about six officers, plus Kirk's own private security.

R53, that is definitely part of the base. Not everyone who voted for Trump is MAGA. But a strong contingent of MAGA is white pride supremacists.

It's being reported now that Tyler Robinson's partner was transgender and transitioning from male to female.

IF that's so, R57, his motivation could be more personal than political. But that's a hard sell to make to the hoi polloi.

Proverbs 6:12-19 (NJB):

12 A scoundrel, a vicious man, he goes with a leer on his lips, 13 winking his eye, shuffling his foot, beckoning with his finger. 14 Trickery in his heart, always scheming evil, he sows dissension. 15 Disaster will overtake him sharply for this, suddenly, irretrievably, he will be broken. 16 There are six things that Yahweh hates, seven that he abhors: 17 a haughty look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that weaves wicked plots, feet that hurry to do evil, 19 a false witness who lies with every breath, and one who sows dissension among brothers.

So, who does this remind you of?

The story R57 refers to was first on Fox and then in the New York Post, which attributed it to a law enforcement official.

R49, there is no coherent political ideology beyond being radicalised. 10-20 years ago, disaffected and alienated western youth were being radicalised, mostly online, into becoming Islamist terrorists. Today it's this deep web radicalised, lone actor misfit. A hundred years ago it was anarchist assassins.

“THIS is why you’re being defunded!”

Was listening to NPR interview a conservative who claimed it was the left pushing violence. When the interviewer pointed out that the right had killed or attempted to a number of Dem politicians too, the man suddenly went nuts and started up with, “This is why you’re being defunded!!” And blah blah blah

After two days of crazy blustering and blaming the left, interesting how quiet the right has gotten….

Here’s the shameful interview Meena whatsername did with Jack whatsisname on CNN where she won’t push back on his “haters” comment.

He would have punched her if she pushed back. I have no doubt about that

R64, asymmetric civil war? The shooting was done by a right winger.

It’s tiny group vs tiny group war

Apparently people are getting fired from government jobs and public schools for saying anything against Charlie Kirk.

Darn that pesky 1st Amendment. Here comes back pay

[quote] The shooting was done by a right winger.

^ "Measure twice, cut once," good practice before rushing to the news microphones.

How do you know the shooter was a right-winger, r66?

R70, in addition to all the wild conspiratorialists on this Board, we also have our share of posters who are are guilty of cognitive dissonance. Like their MAGA brothers & sisters. I'd love for the Fuentes angle to be proven correct, but for now at least, it looks like his new-found politics - maybe informed by having a transgender partner - aligned more with ours.

Except, ^^^, there isn’t any evidence that it’s actually true.

Where is the proof that he was indoctrinated with leftist ideology?

If true, then, R72, I hope you're intellectually honest enough to be reserving judgment until we have some true evidence.

NYPost is claiming he was living with a trans person

[quote] Where is the proof that he was indoctrinated with leftist ideology?

This is open to question, but there's this:

[quote] When investigators in the killing of Charlie Kirk found a bolt-action rifle near the site where he was shot on a Utah campus, they said they also found casings scrawled with what seemed to be mysterious messages.

[quote] One read, “hey fascist! CATCH! (up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols),” according to an affidavit filed on Friday in a Utah court.

r75, yeah, someone started a thread about it. No confirmation yet from any more reputable source though.

A radicalized person is a radicalized person, be they radicalized to the left or right. But a person who is indoctrinated into "gun culture" and told guns are the answer for everything from the time they can walk, will immediately reach for their gun to "defend" their new found beliefs. I certainly hope the shooter's parents regret sticking a gun in their toddler's hand.

The Charlie Kirk shooter was a Groyper and a meme lord. There is no left wing ideology in his head, not one bit. The people trying to push the narrative he was left wing want a fascist silencing of Trump's political dissidents

How can one be so definitive as R79 at this early point in the investigation?!

r76, over on the Conservative subreddit, they have been calling the left the real "fascists," so that word is not being used by just one group.

Point taken, R81. I would love it if it could be shown that he was a Fuentes disciple.

[quote] How can one be so definitive as [R79] at this early point in the investigation?!

I am not convinced there will be a proper investigation. There will be a narrative that they want to push and they can get the family and so-called "friends" to buy in on it. The thunderous declaration of war on the Left seemed coordinated and practiced. I don't believe they would allow an investigation that would indicate the assassin was a MAGA right-winger more crazy than Kirk.

If it were the Patel-led FBI I would agree, R83. But it's not. And Utah isn't your typical red state. The only red state in the top 15 of the most educated states.

Agree r83

Marc Caputo:

[quote] Authorities are investigating whether Tyler Robinson, suspected of killing Charlie Kirk, believed Kirk's views on gender identity were "hateful" to people like Robinson's transgender roommate, six sources familiar with the case tell Axios.

[quote] Why it matters: Investigators believe Robinson's anger at Kirk's views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics.

[quote] Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate.

[quote] If it were the Patel-led FBI I would agree, [R83]. But it's not. And Utah isn't your typical red state. The only red state in the top 15 of the most educated states.

Utah Governor sounded almost sane in his first press conference. He has since said that the killer was radicalized by the Left. Apparently Trump and MAGA officials leaned really hard on him to change his tone and commentary to align with the "War against the violent Left" agenda.

I think Fuentes freaking out and tweeting that the violence needed to stop and if you committed violence you were dead to him was pretty fucking damning.

These fuckers will all have blood on their hands when this country completely melts down.

Along with unemployment, cost of living, the Medicare shitstorm and we are truly fucked

The cherry on the shit sundae will be when/if they reduce social security benefits

I swear I wouldn’t be surprised if rump sells half of the US to Putin.

He was indoctrinated but uber-right wing ideology—an ideology that specifically targeted Kirk and Turning Point USA

I'm sorry Fuentes said it on Tumblr. Here's the quote "This is a very delicate situation. This is a very delicate situation. I fear that this has set off a chain reaction. I pray to God there is no further violence. I pray to God that nobody else is hurt as a result of this. I hope that it stops here. It should stop here. To all of my followers: if you take up arms, I disavow you. I disown you in the strongest possible terms," Fuentes said on Rumble.

[Quote] I'd love for the Fuentes angle to be proven correct, but for now at least, it looks like his new-found politics - maybe informed by having a transgender partner - aligned more with ours.

The proof of the Fuentes angle is documented. The one about a trans partner is hearsay from a side that works hard to demonize trans

And the source is the NY Post. They're hamhandely backpedaling like the incompetents that they are. Unfortunately the deplorables lap it up like the dumb dogs that they are

Fuentes sounds like he fears his own people— and fears the real possibility of his own murder.

Caputo is a solid reporter, not a right-wing journalist. He's reporting the trans angle, not the Fuentes one.

This is the same group that claimed the bullet casing had trans references—when they actually referenced a video game.

They see the whole world through hating trans. Las election cycle it was immigrants and Muslims

R96, the WSJ report about the bullets having trans references was from before the actual inscriptions (referencing video games and memes) were released, and was based on a misunderstanding of the manufacturer's stamp "TRN."

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.

That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.

According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

Robinson joked with friends online about his resemblance to the photos of the shooter.

Who cares if he was involved with a trans? Nick Fuentes himself is gay.

If it might have informed his political transformation, R100, of course it’s relevant.

Tell Granny to shut up then

[quote] Utah Governor sounded almost sane in his first press conference. He has since said that the killer was radicalized by the Left. Apparently Trump and MAGA officials leaned really hard on him to change his tone and commentary to align with the "War against the violent Left" agenda.

R87:

[quote] Yesterday morning, Governor Spencer Cox stood behind a podium in Orem, Utah, to announce the end of the 34-hour manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer, and to plead for peace in a nation that seemed at risk of spiraling into further violence. “To my young friends, you are inheriting a country where politics feels like rage,” he said. “Your generation has an opportunity to build a culture that is very different than what we are suffering through right now.”

[quote] Shortly after he finished, Cox’s phone rang. The president was calling.

[quote] “You know, the type of person who would do something like that to Charlie Kirk would love to do it to us,” Cox says Trump told him. Trump went on to recite statistics suggesting that the presidency was “one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet.” Fifteen percent of the men who’d held his office had been shot; 8 percent had been killed.

Maybe MAGA Granny has written her trans-loving grandson out of the family.

R101 no it isn't. I'm saying his living with a trans doesn't negate all the evidence that he's a follower of Nick Fuentes, as Fuentes himself is a homosexual.

An AI generated book about the shooting was listed on Amazon the day BEFORE it happened. People are saying it takes 72 hours before these things get listed.

R106 Interesting (putting on my tinfoil hat)

What was wrong with CK that his head looked like that? Was it hydrocephalus?

I think he was in the closet and didn't like being reminded that his partner was not considered "a real woman" by certain groups. He probably convinced himself that he was straight.

R109, his alleged roommate is NOT a real woman. His roommate is a man who is alleged to be transitioning to a woman. If any of this is to be believed.

At this point I don't trust any of this "reporter says investigators are saying" stuff re: Tyler Robinson being leftist or pro-trans"without real corroboration.

As noted above, Gov Cox of Utah spoke thoughtful, balanced words to the public ... and then he got a phone call directly from Trump leaning hard on him to take the Trump point of view that it's all out war against the so-called "Radical Left." There is so much pressure being put on key people to warp the narrative to obey Trump/MAGA, to build a narrative of war against "the left", and that's if the key people themselves are not already willing and eager to help build that narrative.

Time will tell... but there's a lot to mistrust and good reason to mistrust it.

There's lots of stuff about the roommate identifying as trans, r111. Have a look on the more recent posts on the dedicated thread.

On the other hand, there's not much revealed so far that shows Tyler was on the radical left (or even the radical right, as some are trying to claim). The fact that he killed a right-wing advocate kinda suggests that he wasn't a fan of right-wing politics, but that doesn't mean he was a radicalised leftist, more just a crank. He's possibly a Luigi copycat, hoping he'd get the same kind of (misplaced) adulation.

R112, it’s an odd mix, the possibly-trans roommate in whom he confided re: retrieving the rifle… vs the series of memes he chose to write on the bullets.

This self described “chronically online” guy on Facebook offers an analysis of the memes and sums it up saying TR is definitely a Groyper/Fuentes type. But that, too, seems too clean and pat. It’s likely that more will be known in the coming weeks.

It’s idiotic when the right wing yells, “It was the liberals.”

Once it’s discovered the killer is, in fact, conservative, they suddenly say, “We need everyone to keep calm and stop pushing politics.”

Did the governor of Utah apologize for his stupid “blame the left” comments?

It hasn't been discovered that the killer is conservative, r114.

The headline on X flat-out states that it was a leftist gunman.

[quote] There's lots of stuff about the roommate identifying as trans

The only source I'm seeing is a rightwing Wisconsin publications that talked to a "relative of Lance, whom the family member had avoided for about four years out of concern over Twiggs’ alleged temperament"—that person said Twiggs was transing and that "he is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values."

Boise Idaho, Charlie Kirk prayer vigil.

Some black guy with a rainbow colored backpack rides by on a bike and yells Fuck Charlie Kirk. Dumb move, of course he gets the shit kick out of him by all those good Christians and arrested for inciting violence. Video at link.

[Quote] It hasn't been discovered that the killer is conservative, [R114].

Yes it has

[Quote] The headline on X flat-out states that it was a leftist gunman.

Using this to push a political agenda. Has nothing to do with reality

Shades of 2024 election here in many of the posters on this subject.

very normal country

Really, r119? Where?

South park this week should be...interesting!

Anti-trans trolls have been all over this site for years. I'm not surprised they're all over here pushing the big lie about trans people being domestic terrorists.

So you missed the bits about Lance's probable online trans-related activity, r117. Plus his dad having his pronouns in his work profile, perhaps in sympathy with his son, and his grandfather saying he's not sure what the situation is right now when asked if Lance is trans.

It should be stressed that Lance has not been incriminated in the murder and he is aghast at what Tyler is said to have done.

Wtf are you on about, r125? No one has said that roommate Lance, who appears to be "genderfluid" in some way, is involved in Kirk's murder, nor has it been suggested that Tyler Robinson, the alleged murderer, identifies as trans.

As someone who's been around a long time, R125, domestic terrorists come in all shapes & colors.

the link at 126 is obviously a disinformation troll account

DOMESHTIC TERRORISHTS!

We don't know what we don't yet know. But to rule out that Tyler was perhaps radicalized by having a trans girlfriend reveals a closed mind. Never a good look.

"Radicalized" by having a trans girlfriend? No, something must have radicalized him into becoming a murderer (perhaps heavy internet use + the gun culture he grew up in), but just having a trans girlfriend (if that's the case with him) doesn't "radicalize" anyone—as opposed to making one more open-minded.

It may not have been the sole reason, but at least a contributing reason, R132. Someone who would commit such a crime is, by definition, either a radical or severely mentally ill. Or both.

The Twitter page r126 linked to is run by a far right white supremacist

Is there any evidence these guys were anything other than platonic roommates?

A neighbor was interviewed who said he saw them holding hands and kissing. No idea about his credibility. Comms between the 2 will be interesting, there are said to be texts, etc.

Doesn't seem to be much evidence of that, at least in the stories written so far, r134. I'm not even sure the roommate is currently trans, or possibly gender fluid playing with pronouns, playing with name changes at least online, playing with female filters, playing with gender in all the ways some people play with gender these days. Not sure. For all I know they're full on trans, hormone treatments, planning on surgery, the whole bit, but just don't really know yet. I would like to know just because it really would provide a pretty big motive: guy very close to trans person shoots notorious transphobe (if we're allowed to call St. Charles a transphobe these days, even though he clearly was).

It's like we all didn't sit through a Social Studies unit on Yellow Journalism and billionaire William Randolph Hearst whipping up the Spanish American War. I guess nobody remembers the Maine

[quote] Someone who would commit such a crime is, by definition, either a radical or severely mentally ill. Or both.

Sure, but again, merely having a trans girlfriend isn't "part" of his radicalization. It may have made him angry at Kirk's rightwingery, but so were a lot of people who wouldn't commit murder. Something else (assuming he did have a trans girlfriend in the first place) made this kid snap.

The “radical left” is just a right wing talking point. This guy was raised by Republicans and was trained how to use guns from an early age.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox on ABC News' "This Week" this morning:

""We can confirm that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female. That's information that the FBI had mentioned yesterday. We can confirm that as well, and that he is cooperating with authorities as well," he said.

I'll reserve judgment until the individual in question makes a statement.

I remember after the Pulse shooting there were a couple guys who came forward and claimed they slept with the shooter, without any texts or anything else to prove it. But some people couldn't handle the idea that a straight man would shoot a gay man out of hatred, so they needed to push the idea that the killer must have been secretly gay

Why are his hands so yellow?

Is it from all the blood loss?

Wait, so Tyler and Lance were fucking??

Should there be a warning with your link, R142? If so, bad on you for not having one.

Lance Twiggs is wearing a stupid hat in every single photo of him that I've found online.

I don’t believe a word that comes out of the Trump White House on anything

Not a fucking thibg

[quote]Is it from all the blood loss?

No, because even if he hadn't died of blood loss, the mortician would have drained his blood and replaced it with fluid—like they do with any dead body. They just did a weird job on Charlie. Maybe the mortician is a Yellow Skin Troll?

They're really pounding the "he turned into radical leftist" angle because I'm pretty sure 95% of Trumpers have been cut off by a family member for one too many racist comments at Thanksgiving. They're all just nodding their heads knowingly. Toss some trans on there and they're out for blood or at least unlimited clicks and shares on the outrage bait. Sweet ad revenue!

It's so weird to me, how once these right-wingers see that Tyler Robinson is a young, white male from a MAGA family, then all of a sudden they start feeling sorry for him, and refer to him as "our children."

So much sympathy for him, since he's from a MAGAT family.

^ MAGAts are so twisted. And they don't even know it.

At least the professional grifters like all of the Fox hosts know it's all made up BS. In another world, I would feel sorry for these people like the woman @R149.

The desired riots in the streets over Charlie Kirk have failed to materialize and most of us have to get back to work and/or school tomorrow and have more important things on their minds than to fulminate over a gun rights absolutist who had the bad luck to be shot, thanks in part to the policies he advocated. Meanwhile, the most famous client of Epstein and Maxwell's child sex slave service is our president thanks to the same people who want us hyperventilating over a rumor that Charlie Kirk's killer might have kissed someone with XY chromosomes.

Lance is reportedly a furry, so that may explain the hats.

Chaya Raichik is furiously masturbating with a speculum as we speak.

Just so you know, women don't associate a speculum with erotic pleasure. However, Chaya's nethers are probably made of a polycarbonate fiberglass composite, so a speculum may be just right for her.

[quote] We don't know what we don't yet know. But to rule out that Tyler was perhaps radicalized by having a trans girlfriend reveals a closed mind. Never a good look.

R131 what about spreading information that Tyler was radicalized by having a trans roommate. Since we don't know that for a fact yet, is that a good look?

R155, the governor of Utah has confirmed that Lance and Tyler were in a relationship and that Lance is transitioning.

Even before he confirmed it there was enough convincing material out there to conclude that Lance identified as trans. Why are some people resisting this possibility?

Because r156, everyone is compromised.

Everyone either willingly or is coerced into falling in line to advance the trump/MAGA agenda.

Not sure why you don’t see that. It’s obvious to normal people everywhere

[Quote] the governor of Utah has confirmed that Lance and Tyler were in a relationship and that Lance is transitioning.

The gov has said a lot of bullshit.

Posted this in the wrong thread

I can’t imagine the hell that Lance must be going thru. Living in obscurity in St. George UT with an all American gun totin Charger driving apprentice electrician who loved her (?) for who she was and then you’re tabloid fodder the world over. To the point where a google search auto suggests your name when la is entered. And millions of right wing nut jobs wishing you dead. And I thought I had a shitty week.

So, r156, facts and the truth in a murder investigation are irrelevant. All that matters is getting "your side's" narrative across, even if it's complete bullshit.

[quote] [R131] what about spreading information that Tyler was radicalized by having a trans roommate. Since we don't know that for a fact yet, is that a good look?

Unlike some posters, I'm not ruling anything out, including the possibility Tyler, steeped in a world of guns, was motivated to act against Kirk because he had a trans roommate or girlfriend. It's called having an open mind, including one open to entertaining possibilities that don't align with my political allegiances.

Miss Twiggs will play innocent now, like all great femme fatales.

Heroes to the left: those who champion the underdog and call for equality for all. Heroes to the right: those who reassure you it's okay to discriminate against people who are different.

This pretty much sums it up.

What does a roommate potentially being trans have anything to do with anything?

The right scapegoats trans so tried to pin everything on them, even with its clear that the killer is a right winger—-follower of Fuentes, who vocally detests Kirk.

My money is on THAT connection

All the right winger “peaceful debaters” are constantly debating whether anyone who isn’t a straight white male deserves rights .

Trump wants a “national healing” but blames the radical left and says Soros should be jailed on a RICO charge.

Bless his dying heart

[quote] What does a roommate potentially being trans have anything to do with anything?

Seriously?! If the woman with whom you're in love is part of a group MAGAts are regularly treating like shit?

R156, the governor of Utah is getting his facts from Kash Patel's FBI

R167, any evidence they were in love?

It's one thing to say you're not convinced by the trans angle. But it's really bizarre to say that if a notorious trans hater gets shot a possible trans connection to the killer can't possibly have anything to do with it. Trans and their allies are falling into a really basic trap here. Getting so caught up with arguing that trans can't possibly be part of the conversation that if it turns out there is a trans connection they will be left with nothing to say. Don't fall into that trap. Acknowledge that yes, there could POSSIBLY be a connection, but that does not make for some kind of collective guilt.

Who is heading the investigation and doing the questioning, state LE authorities or the FBI?

R169, you guys told us there were "trans bullets"...turns out that wasn't true

You claimed the killer looked like a female in men's clothes, in a desperate attempt to make the killer look trans. No, it was a guy wearing normal men's clothes

[quote]Acknowledge that yes, there could POSSIBLY be a connection

Many things could be connected hypothetically to many things. Doesn’t make it germane.

No, "we guys" didn't tell you that r171. In a volatile situation with a lot of half assed information coming from all over the place some people said some shit and a lot of it turned out to be completely untrue. Now don't fall into stupid traps and pretend that that somehow proves that there cannot by definition be any trans connection to this. That is a really stupid way to go. So invariably a lot of stupid people will go in that stupid direction, But hopefully some will be a little smarter about this whole thing. There is no rule that trans rights activists have to suck relentlessly about dealing with public events. It's a choice. Don't make it.

[quote] But it's really bizarre to say that if a notorious trans hater gets shot a possible trans connection to the killer can't possibly have anything to do with it.

...and it is even more true that the multiple deep, deep, dark references to nihilistic memes (the bullet casings, the shooter's meme-replica halloween costume...) are more significant factors.

^^^ This video dives into a whole lot of weirdness that very few of us understand.

Blaming trans is much easier than wrapping your head around all of this.

There’s actually little to no evidence that his roommate is trans. It’s based on one photo where he’s wearing a hoodie and look possible female

[Quote] But it's really bizarre to say that if a notorious trans hater gets shot a possible trans connection to the killer can't possibly have anything to do with it.

It’s also bizarre to say he wasn’t conservative and a follower of Fuentes, who hates Kirk

I’m not even convinced the roommate is trans. All we have is some right wing stories, without any real proof.

What a coincidence that the very group that the GOP constantly stigmatizes just turns up here….

And that's the difference r177. Nobody is saying he couldn't possibly be a follower of Fuentes, and even if he is, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with this, cause REASONS. That's the difference. We can't rule anything out right now, and so there's no good reason to take big stands declaring what the motive could possibly be and what the motive absolutely 100% cannot be.

Thank you r175, she is very brave

Ove this guy, the news cycle has moved on.

[quote] All that matters is getting "your side's" narrative across, even if it's complete bullshit.

I feel like that is happening with the people who are pushing an alternative narrative to the one emerging from the legitimate news articles and statements by government sources. Some of those people’s assessments may turn out to be true, but at the moment they are presenting their view as fact instead of theory. Let’s separate what has been established in the news and the reports from government sources from both the supporting and alternative theories.

"Government sources" are the ones lying, making mistakes, pushing fake info

Maybe we will hear evidence at a trial or maybe even testimony from the killer. Until then we are really guessing at motive.

Bit of a correction, both seem to have posted in furry online groups based on usernames. Terminally online, perhaps.

[quote] Who is heading the investigation and doing the questioning, state LE authorities or the FBI?

The state/local authorities. There - as yet - been no federal crime identified.

That guy's going to "kill himself" before next Friday

When you watch a movie or a TV show, you switch to a mode called suspension of disbelief. Right now, when it comes to all those tidbits of information spread by the WH, the FBI, the GOP, the MAGA echo chamber, I've switched to the reverse mode: total suspension of belief. I will not believe anything at all that comes from their mouthes. Which means the only thing I've established so far is that Tyler Robinson was sharing a house with a roommate, period.

In the meantime I enjoy watching all the Kash Patel's pictures and videos with his deer in the headlight eyes: the guys looks like he's had a terrifying bad trip years ago and he keeps trying to snap himself out of the constant onslaught of flashbacks. HPPD is a bitch.

Yeah, R159, I hope that kid has somewhere safe and secure to hide out till this all blows over.

I doubt he’ll kill himself. If he didn’t do it right after he’s probably not going to do it now.

[quote] Bit of a correction, both seem to have posted in furry online groups based on usernames. Terminally online, perhaps.

Link? What were their names? What groups?

Old Reddit comments linked to Lance Twiggs under the username “lancelott3” have resurfaced, showing discussions about hormone replacement therapy (HRT). In one post, Twiggs explained that hip growth depends largely on genetics, while HRT can slow beard growth but not fully stop facial hair. They also referenced raloxifene, noting that while it may slow breast growth and allow continued feminization, many users online reported frustration with its effectiveness. Twiggs admitted they had not personally used the medication and advised others to check older posts and community resources for better guidance.

Lance on Reddit.

Twiggs is the mastermind behind all this. She groomed him into thinking he'd be the next Luigi, instead they're calling him a groyper. Oh, the humiliation!

Any relation to FKA Twigs?

Considering the conservative point of view that Charlie Kirk represented it would seem odd that the shooter would be conservative.

Only if you assume there are no fractures within conservatism and they're all one big happy family r195, especially when you start getting into the hard right. They ain't.

The Utah governor, who has been the public face of the investigation, also confirmed reports Saturday that the suspect's roommate is transitioning from male to female.

"We can confirm that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female. That's information that the FBI had mentioned yesterday. We can confirm that as well, and that he is cooperating with authorities as well," he said.

His source is Kash Patel:

"That's information that the FBI had mentioned yesterday."

don't discount those who knew him

Cox previously told the Wall Street Journal that Robinson was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology." Asked if investigators have uncovered evidence to show that, Cox replied, "Well, so far that -- that has come from his acquaintance and his family members. That's where that initial information has come from. Certainly, there will be much more information that is released in the charging documents as they're bringing all of that together."

Not much of a crowd, thankfully.

😅

Republicans have found a new scapegoat - EDUCATION! The killer finished exactly one semester of college before dropping out years ago, so they've decided that college is evil and makes people into killers. LOL.

And he spent that one semester at Utah State, not Cal Berkeley or Oberlin.

Howard Kurtz on his FOX News show today:

“I’m glad you mentioned that it’s not unique to one side or one party. Charlie Kirk was not a saint. He said two years ago, it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so we can have the Second Amendment..”

It should not surprise that Kurtz' show has been canceled and this was his last episode.

Alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson appeared to have a fixation on furries — while his live-in transgender boyfriend espoused support for Joe Biden and joked about being mentally ill, according to social media posts linked to the pair.

Any word if the trans plans to go full throttle, or keeping his junk?

r204, Thanks for posting a unbiased, objective article from a unbiased objective source. Obviously, the New York Post is the peak of journalism. They would never lie or push a fake story

[quote] The Twitter page [R126] linked to is run by a far right white supremacist

These posters are probably not very good poker players. They tend to show you their hand too quickly.

R201 my MAGA family members are pushing this narrative too.

Oh, nice. R204 has just started posting only on this thread. Aggressively pushing the theory that the shooter was steeped in left-wing ideology. Sure, hon...

More furry hats...

I give as much credence to Republicans' claims about Tyler Robinson being a left-wing fanatic who killed Charlie Kirk to avenge a trans lover as I do to Karoline Leavitt saying Donald Trump has bruises on the backs of his hands from giving handshakes.

Other than their newfound divide on Epstein, what is the source of the Kirk-Fuentes feud? And if it does center on Epstein, wouldn't we be seeing some evidence that Tyler was obsessed with the Epstein case if this was a right on right murder?

Oh, it's Perftronnie again linking to Norwegian far-right journalists!

[quote] Only if you assume there are no fractures within conservatism and they're all one big happy family [R195], especially when you start getting into the hard right. They ain't.

Maybe the call is coming from inside the house!

R209 I've posted on other threads as well. All you have to do is check my history so I really don't know what you're talking about. It seems to me that it's more likely that Tyler had leftist views and his friends and family seemed to support this as well.

[quote] It seems to me that it's more likely that Tyler had leftist views

In light of evidence supporting other motives, why does it seem to you that this is the answer?

It's certainly possible he did r215. But I really am waiting for more details. We don't know, and honestly with stuff like this, we don't really know what his friends and his deeply conservative, deeply religious family consider "leftist ideology." I do hope all this becomes more obvious as we get closer to the trial. I do want to know what his motivations were, whether those motives fulfill some agenda or don't.

[quote] In light of evidence supporting other motives

What reputable media sources are you seeing that are leading with "evidence supporting other motives"?

R206 No news organization is perfect unfortunately

R218 see R174 and R175

[quote]Other than their newfound divide on Epstein, what is the source of the Kirk-Fuentes feud?

Fuentes is a neo-Nazi who considered Kirk too liberal, particularly on issues like immigration, gay rights and Israel. Though he later targeted other right-wing personalities as well, he had a notable hatred of Kirk that probably stemmed from Kirk's popularity and influence relative to Fuentes. You can read more about it here if you scroll to the Turning Point and Groyper War subheadings.

I have spent the last 3 days painfully sitting through Charlie Kirk debates. Here are my conclusions:

He was a political grifter pandering to his MAGA base for personal and monetary gain.

He purposely chose divisive topics to maintain relavence.

His videos were manipulated, only showing arguments where Kirk was succesful

When facing actual intellectuals or prepared students, Kirk's arguments were repeatedly crushed, exposing Kirk for the uneducated buffoon that he was.

Kirk was highly succesful against random, unprepared, and often emotional university students, who often didn't have any debating experience, or the media experience he had.

Kirk was a predatory oppurtunist who prioritized entertainment value over genuine intellectual value.

Kirk operated as a sophisticated political grifter who successfully monetized cultural resentment and political division.

His dramatic personal enrichment, calculated message evolution, strategic provocation, and opportunistic positioning all point to someone who prioritized personal gain over genuine conviction

His ability to extract millions from donors while living in luxury estates represents a classic grifter model - exploiting the genuine concerns and grievances of his audience for personal enrichment while offering them little substantive improvement to their actual circumstances.

[R218] see [R174] and [R175]

The Tennessee Holler & Claude Taylor?! That's what you're hanging you hat on? Seriously?

R216 see R215 That I know of none of his family or friends expressed shock that he would have assassinated a conservative right speaker. So, it doesn't seem to me that Tyler was some right-wing outlier It's more likely as his family indicated that his views were leftist.

[quote] Other than their newfound divide on Epstein, what is the source of the Kirk-Fuentes feud?

R216 also the word fascist seems much more popular among the left than the right

There are some MAJOR MAGA trolls on this thread.

I don't think his ideology matters. There are people on ALL sides who are mentally ill and capable of this.

My only interest in that aspect of the comes when people onnthe right start painting him as a leftist to further their agenda. Only then do I get roped into this ridiculous game of finger pointing.

Here's the FACTS: It is Trump and his followers who have set the current climate at a fever pitch to where this kind of thing is becoming a common occurrence. Whatever this confused kid's ideology, THIS WAS FOMENTED BY TRUMP and frankly by Kirk himself. Charlie Kirk is complicit in the climate which led to his death.

"As an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never made me sad, it only made me glad." Malcolm X

[quote] also the word fascist seems much more popular among the left than the right

Did you actually read the link you posted? The text does not support your argument.

[quote] "Notices, bulges, OwO what's this?" is part of an internet meme and iterative slang that circulated in 2018 and 2019. It has ties to animated videos and furries. "OwO" references an emoticon, and “what’s this?” denotes cuteness or curiosity. The terms are frequently referenced by video game streamers.

In case you haven't seen it, I suggest this thread:

[quote] Kirk was shot and killed on September 10 during an appearance at Utah Valley University. As authorities investigate the motive, online speculation has turned toward extremist factions that once targeted Kirk—specifically, Fuentes' "Groyper Army," which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical.

[quote] Despite his confrontational style, Kirk was frequently attacked from the right for being too moderate. During the 2019 "Groyper Wars," Fuentes' supporters disrupted Turning Point USA events, challenging Kirk on immigration and LGBTQ rights while labeling him a "gatekeeper" of establishment conservatism.

[quote] Now, as the public searches for answers in Kirk's assassination, that conflict within far-right is back in the spotlight—with renewed scrutiny on the rhetoric and influence of Fuentes and his followers.

R229 Voter records show that Mr. Robinson was unaffiliated with any political party.

The only hints about his ideology or beliefs released publicly in the investigation are engravings on bullet casings found with the rifle used to kill Mr. Kirk that contained a hash of online memes and video game references. One engraving said, “hey fascist! CATCH!

Nihilism

[quote] Voter records show that Mr. Robinson was unaffiliated with any political party

To what end is that relevant? We already know he targeted a far-right political figure. So it's just a question of whether he was politically to the right or left of Kirk. I tend to believe it's the latter.

For now that is just his theory, we really don’t know yet. I suspect texts and Discord messages will shed light.

[quote] So it's just a question of whether he was politically to the right or left of Kirk.

I think that's what they call the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. Essentially it rules out all third possibilities with no real reason. Is it possible that he was roughly aligned with Kirk on many things, but just found him impure in some way or not the right messenger or was somehow damaging the sacred cause? Yes. But that's only one of many possibilities.

All I ask is that people do NOT get locked into shit yet. Once you do, you will become completely deaf to any other explanation as you cherish your little pet theory and simply refuse to let it die. Let it die. More and more facts are going to come out, especially since for once the fucker didn't kill himself leaving nothing but questions and mysteries behind.

I had never heard of this guy until he was shot. The reactions by medical professionals and teachers online have been chilling. Does no one else, on this board in particular, worry about a slippery slope where it becomes publicly acceptable to kill or harm someone over words or perceived ideology? If I’m wearing a polo and khaki shorts and am in an accident, will medical professionals, many celebrating this on socials, perceive me as MAGA rather than a lifelong Dem? Will they then celebrate my being critically injured? What if they are Muslim and anti-gay, will I get good care? Social media has normalized some very dark and dangerous behavior, even if it falls short of shooting.

How ironic it would be if a right winger did something that seemed to please a number of liberals

Sure you hadn't heard of him, R236. Is that why you're posting on this thread exclusively?

[quote] Does no one else, on this board in particular, worry about a slippery slope where it becomes publicly acceptable to kill or harm someone over words or perceived ideology?

Yes, and the longer the president of the United States remains a cult leader leading a fundamentally hate-filled, anti-American, anti-Constitutional movement, I think that day gets closer, unfortunately. And of course, this shooting just makes it all worse. The one thing we really need to hear from Trump is the one thing we probably won't: ALL political violence is wrong, left and right and center and pro-Trump and anti-Trump. Don't do it! Instead we get fuckery like "well, the left is worse than the right, and um, by the way, I've pardoned every fucker from January 6th."

But yes, I think we are already on that slippery slope, and Trump is personally a huge part of why.

Just getting around to watching Bill Maher's show from last week &, in talking about Taylor Swift's engagement, he referenced "the supremely conservative Charlie Kirk" advising Taylor to submit to her husband & change her name. Just another example of how omnipresent the living Kirk was in the political & cultural world.

A random post on X just now: Breaking: The FBI, in coordination with state agencies, has formally opened investigations into multiple leftist organizations in Utah for possible advanced knowledge of the Charlie Kirk incident

I always rely on a random post on X for breaking news.

BREAKING: Investigation into Charlie Kirk Assassination Attempt Widens to Probe Radical Pro-Trans Online Groups, Including on Steam

R243, post your source.

HOLY CRAP! Turning Point USA has now received over 32,000 inquiries in a 48-hour time frame to open new campus chapters.

R244 - Gateway Pundit on X.

Is there even a federal crime yet? I know they were working on inventing one here, but are they even pretending that they have a reason for the FBI to take over this investigation? Or did they decide to skip all that and jump right to, here is the motive that Kash Patel and the White House have chosen, and now our job is to ensure that is the motive that is pinned on the shooter?

“Charlie Kirk assassination investigation widens to probe whether pro-trans, online groups knew in advance”

The feds have widened their investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk to probe whether pro-trans, online groups and others connected with Tyler Robinson knew in advance about the plan to kill the MAGA influencer, The Post has learned.

Law enforcement sources said that investigators are examining leftist groups both in Utah and online to figure out if they helped him with the shooting — or at least heard it was going to happen.

The probe includes groups in online gaming community Steam, as well as a pro-trans organization called Armed Queers SLC, which took down their Instagram after Kirk was killed, the source confirmed.

Word is coming out that this was an ordered hit that was planned with two online trans groups.

Stop linking to NY Post bullshit

from Google:

[quote] As of September 2025, Rawsalerts is a highly unreliable social media account known for spreading misinformation, sensationalism, and unverified claims. There is no evidence that it is a legitimate news organization.

[quote] has formally opened investigations into multiple leftist organizations in Utah

There are multiple leftist organizations in Utah?

R249, where is this "word" coming from? Far right hate sites?

[quote] investigation widens to probe whether pro-trans, online groups knew in advance

I don’t think there is any criminal involvement with these groups, but there could be a connection that would allow the Widow Kirk to sue them for damages.

“ A random post on X just now: Breaking: The FBI, in coordination with state agencies, has formally opened investigations into multiple leftist organizations in Utah for possible advanced knowledge of the Charlie Kirk incident”

Maybe there are actual and valid clues that lead the FBI in this direction. Or maybe this is just more Trumpist insistence that their “Radical Left is to blame, Radical Left is evil” narrative prevails. Remember how he tried to extort Zelenskyy back during the 2020 election. July 2019. He said to Zelenskyy, (paraphrasing the transcript which is online), you don’t actually have to do an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden and Burisma, but [bold] I want you to announce it, make a big announcement about it, get it widely reported.[/bold]

This has similar vibes. There was no need for such an announcement; indeed, it would be standard FBI procedure to just quietly investigate. Standard in normal times.

The NY Post certainly had ties to the administration. They know what’s going on.

Maybe, maybe not r256. They are primarily a propaganda outlet, as is everything connected to the Trump Cult. They may indeed be reporting what is happening, or they could simply be reporting propaganda on behalf of the cult.

Today I saw some frat boys driving a car with graffiti on it including "KIRK RIP" and "SHOW US YOUR TITS."

[quote] There are multiple leftist organizations in Utah?

Those blue spots on the 2024 election map aren’t just colored that to look pretty. Utah has a sizable population of Democrats.

We Boomers don't look nearly as bad now as Gen Zers.

Zoomers are the weirdest generation for certain. Big Pharma has ruined them.

[quote] The NY Post certainly had ties to the administration.

That is logical. Leaks against the Trump administration were always given to left of center news organizations, so one would expect that info against the Left would be leaked to the Post and Fox.

Contrary to wingnut logic, Democrat very much does not equal leftist. That is a common confusion on the right, since these days Republican equals Trump Cult. But as far as the Democratic Party goes, there are still a very large number of centrists and even right of center, and my guess is a lot of Utah Democrats would very much fall into that.

R261, Fox News ruined Gen X. The people who bitch about "Big Pharma" probably have stock in Pfizer like RFK Jr does

Gen X watches Fox? A channel with an average viewer age of 69?

Only the Italians could write an anti-fascist song that boils down to, "I regret that I must stop fucking you to fight our overlords, large-breasted woman who reminds me of Mama."

R266, it sounds sweet.

I once obstructed a probe from J. Edgar Hoover. It got messy.

These are not "leaks" and these are not "scoops" by intrepid "journalists." This is all simply propaganda, sent out by the thoroughly corrupt and dishonest president, his thoroughly corrupt and dishonest team, and his thoroughly dishonest and corrupt (and hopelessly inept), FBI director r262. It's a different category altogether. Unfortunately, we are at a point where pretty much nothing that comes out of the White House or the administration can be trusted in any way, shape, or form.

R269, if you have nothing of value to contribute, sit down and shut up.

If you are a ridiculous cult member and a whore for Trump, fuck off r270.

R269 probably has more to contribute than Kash Patel and the New York Post

If you think for one second any media outlet outside of Fox, The Post, and One America News is going to report the trans angle, you’re crazy. They won’t dare touch it. They still won’t admit that the spa scandal was a tranny incident. It’s the one issue they won’t touch because they’re in bed with these former gay organizations.

R272 is talking to herself again.

R270 is indeed a whore for Trump. Been blocked for a while.

South Koreans chanting “we are Charlie Kirk.”

Got it. You are so married to the Trans angle that you are willing to suspend all sense when it comes to the cult. I apologize for thinking you had the slightest interest in true and false and actual motives for this crime.

[quote] is indeed a whore for Trump. Been blocked for a while.

How would you know what a poster says if they’ve been blocked for a while. Fuck off, retard.

R277 = Troon

The UK.

British Prime Ministers paid tribute to Kirk.

I'm guessing not these South Koreans, r276, but really, in an insane world, and an insane cult, who can be sure.

Leave the cult r279. You will be happier and much more healthy, mentally.

R280 linked to a right-wing site

That's bs, @280. The massive march here in the UK was for people (from regular sane folks to fascists) who are upset about the status quo: whether about the fact that knife crime and rape have more than doubled in the past five years, highest electricity costs in the West, mass immigration, neo-Nazis raging about whatever their latest peeve may be, government inaction about grooming gangs... A few people chose to memorialise Charlie Kirk but the march had nothing to do with him. His murder was just fuel-to-the-fire for some of them.

Concerned Citizen at R280 is off by about 990,000 people.

R276, r280, etc. = all from the same right-wing troll

It's always exciting to be there for a mental health crisis, exacerbated by the right wing online echo chamber. Probably, every sock account represents one voice inside their head.

Same as the protests in Melbourne, R286 - general anti-you-name-it (but primarily anti-immigration) within which a few participants decided to have their little Kirk moment.

As I've said elsewhere, nobody in that protest would have been aware of Kirk same time last week. I try to keep across the USA political sphere but had never heard of him, nor had anybody I know with whom I've since discussed this.

It's starting to feel a little like Diana's death in 1997 (go with me on this) - small people with small lives latching on to some growing hysteria and who want to be a part of it all because that's all that they have been a part of before or since.

One semester of remote learning at a university radicalized him!

[quote]Gateway Pundit on X.

Why in the fuck are you citing Gateway Dumbshits as a source for anything? If they said that the sky was blue and the grass was green, I'd go outside to check. They're as blatantly pro Trump/MAGAt a media outlet as there is.

A reminder for the young and those new to all this. Jim Hoft, a/k/a Gateway Pundit, is famously and by common consent the dumbest man on the Internet. It's official.

R284, that’s not a site, grandpa.

R285 is such a goddamn liar. It was a Neo-Nazi match led by Tommy Robinson.

Were you there, R294?

R292 - oh, like Media Matters is an unbiased organization.

Go back to Daily Stormer, R296. Or whatever right wing sewer you crawled out from.

Doesn't matter r296. It's like an Academy Award. We can argue the merits forever, but the decision has been made and Gateway Pundit is officially the Dumbest Man on the Internet. Please make a note of it, and exercise extreme caution when referring to his nonsense in future.

[quote] BREAKING: A searchable database will soon be released exposing over 50,000 leftists who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s death, listing their names and employers. This is up from 40k. Big storm is brewing!

Saw on Facebook

This guy really nailed it

What a sane reaction in a very, very sane country r299.

Spencer Cox is now running for president.

He's going to ride his 15 minutes of bipartisan fame for "Civility in a Crisis" into a campaign built on restoring quiet decency to the Republican Party. He'll distance himself from Trump and MAGA, and aim for what used to be called the Silent Majority.

He will finish fifth in Iowa, and fuck off back to the Land of Jello.

[quote] Spencer Cox is now running for president.

No, he's smart enough to know he'd have no chance in today's GOP.

[quote] Spencer Cox

Is that who ya are or what ya do?

There are three tickets out of Iowa: first class, coach, and Greyhound bus.

[quote]Spencer Cox is now running for president.

He's too soft to be president. No one from now on will be elected if they are not fierce fighters.

First class is a relic of the class days, like Titanic. Coach might as well be called roach because of how the people are looked down upon.

In the USA, maybe, R307.

"I ought to have respect for the death of a man who had no respect for my life?"

Amen!

Tyler Robinson's Twink neighbor ratted him out!

He says he saw Tyler and Lance "kissing."

The Twink seems gay to me. What a little asshole.

Charlie Kirk memorial damaged; suspect arrested at Turning Point HQ USA in Phoenix.

British punk-rap duo Bob Vylan faced backlash after frontman Bobby Vylan dedicated a song to conservative activist Charlie Kirk during their September 13, 2025, concert at Amsterdam's Paradiso venue, calling him "an absolute piece of shit" and using the phrase "pronouns was/were".

"We need to stop pretending that every belief falls under the umbrella of 'political opinion'. Politics is about governance. Dehumanizing people...is extremism"

Josh Kemp is a snack. And a GOSSIP!

Maybe they have a motive from a note.

R238, what else are you lying about?

From the article at R317:

[quote] "He has not confessed to, to authorities. He is, he is, he is not cooperating, but, but, but all the people around him are cooperating. And I think that's, that's, that's very important," Cox told ABC News' "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz.

Ddddddoes Uuuuuttaahhhh's Ggggggooovvvvvvernor have a stttttuuuttttttterrrr?

The neighbor doesn’t sound very credible. The reporters questioning him are clearly skeptical of his claims, like overhearing a conversation *while biking* and while a masked Robinson was kissing and discussing gender transition appointments for his roommate. Right.

Anatomy educator uses models to explain Charlie Kirk's fatal wound (video short linked below).

Two takeaways that stuck with me:

1) Shooter may have been aiming for head OR center mass of chest but almost certainly NOT neck.

2) Even if Kirk had been shot in the neck in an emergency room with a team of surgeons ready to operate, he could not have been saved from the catastrophic damage the bullet did on impact.

Let's now recall the actual words of Saint Charlie Tinyface, on behalf of whom conservative Americans are being urged to carry out bloody pogroms:

If the shooter was that skilled and accurate in aim, re: R321 the neck was absolutely the thing to go far. Look what happened and the “geyser of blood” visual that went viral, which seems to be a main piece of these shooters’ intentions.

[quote] The neighbor doesn’t sound very credible. The reporters questioning him are clearly skeptical of his claims, like overhearing a conversation *while biking* and while a masked Robinson was kissing and discussing gender transition appointments for his roommate. Right.

Agreed, R320.

I'm reading an article from the Daily Mail right now, and I'm quoting in part - just to show you the ridiculousness of the people they are interviewing in the neighborhood, as well as the ridiculousness of the reporting:

[italic]Investigators were seen carrying out paper bags, envelopes, and a personal computer. A forensics team photographed the exterior and worked their way inside the property.

While they worked, neighbors stood behind police tape watching in the early morning desert sunshine.

Resident, Josh Kemp, 18, told The New York Times that Robinson would ‘always blast music with his roommate’ and ‘never talk to anybody’.

Oliver Holt, 11, told the paper that when he knocked on Robinson’s door last week asking for odd jobs, the alleged shooter was ‘acting pretty strange’ and kept glancing back into his apartment ‘acting kind of nervous and scared’.

Twiggs and Robinson's female next-door neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous, told Daily Mail the young men were ‘reclusive’ and that she had spoken to Twiggs twice in the past two years.

[bold]She said she did not see anything about Twiggs that indicated he was transgender.[/bold]

The neighbor said Robinson and Twiggs had a third roommate who moved out about a year ago. To their knowledge, no others have moved in since.

The third roommate was also a male and did not appear to be trans, the neighbor said.[/italic]

I'll link the article in the next post.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R323 You don't think the visual of Kirk's skull exploding would have been enough to get attention?

Yes, it's possible* but not probable that Robinson aimed for the neck, but given the downward trajectory of the bullet from the shooter's position to Kirk, it's more likely he did not. Most target practice shooting is at horizontal targets.

* which is why I used the words "almost certainly"

This is why the Governor of Utah is not credible. He's just making shit up.

From the article linked at R317:

[quote] Cox previously told the Wall Street Journal that Robinson was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology." Asked if investigators have uncovered evidence to show that, Cox replied, "Well, so far that -- that has come from his acquaintance and his family members. That's where that initial information has come from. Certainly, there will be much more information that is released in the charging documents as they're bringing all of that together."

I'm glad that the reporter asked him if the INVESTIGATORS had uncovered evidence to support his statements, to which his answer was clearly NO.

[quote] She said she did not see anything about Twiggs that indicated he was transgender.

C'mon, if we're to believe what he said, grandpa Twiggs already gave up the ghost on this when he wouldn't deny his grandchild was trans.

I find it distressing that they can't explain "left-wing ideology," but constantly use the expression. Ditto Trump saying that Democrats are "scum" because they espouse "left-wing ideology."

Whether it's "left-wing ideology" or "RINO," it just describes the condition of not bowing to Trump (all the time in the case of the latter).

Cox is coming off as a complete bumbling idiot, albeit a very dangerous bumbling idiot.

I have to wonder in Cox was promised something by Trump (and/or threatened with something).

Right-wingers are snitching on people they think are "celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk"...and they falsely accused a woman they were trying to get fired

[quote]Right-wingers are snitching on people they think are "celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk"...and they falsely accused a woman they were trying to get fired

That happens when the public tries to identify people. That’s why I said it was a bad day to be named “Tyler Robinson” on the day the name was announced if you lived in Utah.

I despise the gatekeeping that people do with information in these cases. For example, it has been stated that the family has stated that Tyler became very political in recent years. However, it hasn’t been released what his politics are. You have all of this needless and divisive wrangling across the country of people trying to figure it out. The family knows exactly, the authorities no doubt know. They could take two minutes and put it to rest with the public.

Governor Cox just says it was leftist ideology, but doesn’t say the specifics. This is so wrong by everyone involved, including friends of the killer. Even if the police tell people not to talk, they should do it anyway for the good of the country.

[quote] The neighbor doesn’t sound very credible.

He says what he believes to be true, the same as everyone else does. It will be just one set of information that is weighed with everything else that comes to light. I applaud him for at least providing information. I wish everyone else who ever came in contact with the murderer would do the same, and then we could get the full picture.

[quote]Right-wingers are snitching on people they think are "celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk"..

Yes, they are and it's going to get worse:

"Over thirty people across the country have been fired, put on leave, investigated or faced calls to resign because of social media posts criticizing Charlie Kirk or expressing schadenfreude about the conservative influencer's assassination earlier this week, according to an analysis by NPR.

And more may be to come: some GOP lawmakers and officials are signaling their readiness to punish people for their speech. Conservative activists are collecting and publicizing social media posts and profiles that they say "celebrated" his death and are calling for them to lose their jobs."

R336, what makes you think he's telling the truth?

[QUOTE] He says what he believes to be true, the same as everyone else does. It will be just one set of information that is weighed with everything else that comes to light. I applaud him for at least providing information. I wish everyone else who ever came in contact with the murderer would do the same, and then we could get the full picture.

Oh, Jesus. Shut the fuck up. You probably want to fuck the neighbor too.

[quote] [R336], what makes you think he's telling the truth?

I didn’t say he was or wasn’t. I stated that he says what he believes to be true.

Uh, if it's a lie and you know it's a lie...that's not "what you believe to be true"

[quote] if it's a lie and you know it's a lie...that's not "what you believe to be true"

If you can prove he doesn’t actually believe it, go for it.

GOPers trying to get more people fired

Just heard The Atlantic’s McKay Coppins, who has known fellow Mormon Spencer Cox since Cox was Lt. Governor. He said Cox has gone out of his way to reiterate that, due to concerns about retribution against the LGBQT community, the roommate knew nothing of the planned murder & has been fully cooperative with the authorities. And has also been working closely with the leaders of the community to try to keep the peace.

Has the Daily Fail or New York Shit Post spoken to neighbour Gladys Kravitz? Surely she has seen most of the down, dirty, and deadly trans shenanigans going on in the apartment.

Then maybe Cox should shut up about the shooter being radicalized by leftist ideology without details.

Cox looks closeted.

r326

[quote] You don't think the visual of Kirk's skull exploding would have been enough to get attention?

The sweet, white confessed killer, was a 22 yo Utah hunter using a traditional, 2nd Amendment, bolt action, single chamber, rifle.

If he wanted Charlie's head to explode in a mass of brain bits, he would have used an AR-15, which would have exploded Charlies flesh into a shower of Kirk bits that would have to have been scraped up from the surrounding surfaces and witnesses.

No, this was a trained hunter, who had respect for his prey, and his skill, and went in for the single bullet kill-shot.

Charlie Kirk went to where he wasn't supposed to be; Heavenly Father decides what happens in Utah.

And he did.

R348 a 22-year-old student may financially have to make do with weapons already owned by himself or family. Purchasing an AR-15 weapon would put a big dent in a student's budget.

[quote]Purchasing an AR-15 weapon would put a big dent in a student's budget.

R349 - I'm Australian so out of interest I looked up how much an AR-15 machine gun would cost. Just a couple of hundred dollars.

[QUOTE]He says what he believes to be true, the same as everyone else does.

Yeah, because people never knowingly lie for attention or to get on TV for their 15 minutes.

He pings to me, R347

[quote]The family knows exactly, the authorities no doubt know. They could take two minutes and put it to rest with the public.

[quote]Even if the police tell people not to talk, they should do it anyway for the good of the country.

It's a super-febrile, not to say dangerous, atmosphere at present. A two-minute explanation of crystal clarity and witnessed truth might be buried under an avalanche of contemptuous lies if it doesn't fit Trump's instant 'extreme left' assessment. People saw clearly how Cox spoke humanely having announced 'We got him.' Then came his call from the WH, and now he's a stuttering ventriloquist's dummy. Judges for Trump's many court cases required protection after 'mysterious' threats. Small wonder people are holding their counsel in this atmosphere. Which isn't to say that truths won't emerge in the months and years to come.

DNA on the towel that wrapped the murder weapon has been matched to Tyler Robinson.

It really is shocking to have a president who seeks to further divide the country in the wake of a tragedy. Every president I've lived under at least paid lip service to the need to come together to solve our problems.

But it's who he is, R355. Who he always has been. We have met the enemy & he is us.

No , we have met the enemy & it is Trump

R320, we have the Reddit posts. He’s trans.

R355, have you been in a coma. Do you not remember 2016-2021? You sound retarded. Enough feigning shock.

Hahaha R348.

BANG BANG!!! Your post is spot-on perfection.

[quote] Josh Kemp is a snack. And a GOSSIP!

Little 18 year old Miss Josh Kemp (aka, the Gladys Kravitz of the neighborhood) needs to shut her gossipy little mouth!!

Remember, Joshie. Snitches get stitches!!

Ugh, and at the end he even expresses admiration for Charlie Kirk.

Someone stick a dick in Josh's mouth, and shut him up!

Scary:

"Five hours after Charlie Kirk was shot this week, an Atlanta man got a phone call from an Illinois police officer asking about a photo he shared with a couple of close friends on a private Discord chat. The Atlanta man, who asked not to be identified, says the post was merely a confirmation that he had purchased the same T-shirt that the accused killer wore (from an Illinois-based online shop).

The police officer told him that he was following up on an active FBI investigation of Kirk’s assassination, and warned that due to the political climate, posting such a photo was ill advised. The Atlanta man was confused and disturbed, he told me, that the police learned so quickly of his purchase and also knew of his private Discord post."

^ Yet the Milwaukee shooter had been actively posting online for about two or three weeks about his intent to shoot up Ascension school.

It’s easier to hone in on suspects once you’ve got a corpse

Left-wing protesters at a vigil for Turning Point USA (TPUSA) founder Charlie Kirk sang a song that was engraved on a bullet in the rifle of Kirk’s alleged assassin in a video posted to social media Sunday evening.

The College Republicans chapter at New York University held a vigil for Kirk, who was assassinated on Wednesday during a “Prove Me Wrong” event at Utah Valley University sponsored by TPUSA, where he was debating attendees on various topics. The video, posted on the official X account of the NYU College Republicans, showed the left-wing demonstrators singing the song.

“Protesters sung the song written on the bullet casings which killed Charlie Kirk at the vigil mourning his death tonight at NYU,” the group posted. “They also threatened to kill NYU College Republican Club president Ryan Leonard. They’re not looking for peace.”

“They also threatened to kill NYU College Republican Club president Ryan Leonard. They’re not looking for peace.”

Doubt that happened. The right-wingers are just playing the victims

r365 posted an article from the Daily Caller

1. Tyler engraved an entire song onto a bullet? This boy was one talented engraver!

2. Shouldn't law enforcement have kept details like what was engraved on the bullets confidential? For one thing they're tainting the fuck out of the jury pool. Or is that the plan?

Three obscure words in a song matched initials on a shell casing maybe?

I would not be surprised if there was a polycule involved.

R368 I'm guessing that you didn't read the entire article or that you don't understand what you read

White House vows a crackdown on liberal groups

The 8-1 Snyder v. Phelps SCOTUS decision might have something to say about that, R372.

Stephen Miller: "The last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me ... we are gonna do that."

Oh we’re fucked

Nothing is stopping this shit train. Black, brown, gays, and women are up the creek without a paddle

Forget trans. They all need to go back in the deep deep closet. Stupid ass Kaitlin Jenner better watch out

R374 and Miller isn't the only person who has said similar. I've seen multiple people in the MAGA orbit say "the last thing Charlie texted me...." then it's some MAGA wet dream about taking down the left.

RESIST,!

Let’s see these texts, and see them authenticated.

[quote] Let’s see these texts, and see them authenticated.

FWIW, I'm not seeing any pushback on what I watch of MS NOW to the generally accepted view that Tyler had become a man of the left. Certainly nothing to support the expressed belief here that he was a follower of Fuentes, angry at Kirk for not being hateful enough.

tl/dr: Governor Cox isn't just lying for tRump but (or more so) to protect the Mormon image

[quote]I'm not seeing any pushback on what I watch of MS NOW to the generally accepted view that Tyler had become a man of the left. Certainly nothing to support the expressed belief here that he was a follower of Fuentes, angry at Kirk for not being hateful enough.

Yeah, that narrative kind of fell apart, but it will be interesting to see if it comes back again.

Some people try too hard.

Of course, being a Black woman, she’s not smart enough to understand these things, but…

r383, instead of people having to figure out what you're posting, just state the point you want to make.

Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman

Greedy racist prick vs delusional wingnut

Bill Ackman's skin is less ashier

[quote]Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman

I'm aware of her, I don't know him.

R387, they're both starring in White Chicks 2!

So there’s as yet no direct evidence the shooter was Leftist? Just the Utah governor’s say so?

R389, he's white, male, from Utah, from a Republican household.

Sounds pretty right and white to me!

Creepy ass cult vigil for Charlie Kirk at Arizona State University.

We can be sure that if there was evidence that the killer was a "radical leftist" and that he was having a relationship with a trans roommate and therefore that's why he killed Kirk then it would be all over right-wing media and Trump himself would have given the update revealing the information on Fox News.

Instead - there's silence because the killer is a white, religious MAGA and it doesn't suit their narrative.

[quote]I'm aware of her, I don't know him.

He’s a MAGAt who owns Hollywood and is now buying studios for his son.

Ackman was on the phone trying to get the 2020 overturned for Trump. He can’t croak soon enough.

The denialism of some posters is downright MAGAtonian.

R393, are you thinking of Larry Ellington? Ackman is a hedge fund Trumphead.

R395: there is, indeed, a Blue Bubble

What's the denialism in this thread R395 and R397? I've read most of it but perhaps I've missed something.

We can start with R18, R398.

I love how the MAGA trolls have reverted to gaslighting.

This is a gay board, we invented it.

R400, are you calling me a MAGA troll?! I take a backseat to NO ONE in my loathing of all things MAGA. I contributed to both Biden campaigns, as well as Harris's. And marched in May at a No Kings rally. But I refuse to be intellectually dishonest. In my perfect world, my fellow anti-MAGA travelers would be similarly inclined.

My bad. The No Kings rally was in June.

[quote] We can start with [R18], [R398].

What is r18 in denial of?

This was Nazi on Nazi crime. Why should we care?

If there was any substantive evidence other than that the disturbed gunman was now, at least, a man of the left, outraged by Kirk's hostile rhetoric against marginalized populations, MS NOW would be carpetbagging its coverage with such news. Instead, it's crickets. Although certainly more on the right, from whence Robinson came, there are crazed people with guns, acting out political revenge, on both extremes of the political spectrum.

Nazis gonna Nazi

I just want to know two things. Was Tyler Robinson a Groyper? Was he romantically involved with the alleged tranny roommate? The narrative being pushed by Trump/Patel/Cox seems to be Robinson was a leftist tranny fucker.

This piece is excellent:

My grandfather was a farmer for 55 years.

More, if you count his boyhood. So his brain speaks for itself. Never mind drought or insects—he made things grow, and grow well. Strangers tell me his peaches, corn, and tomatoes were the best they ever had. And he always outran the bank. But Pops never made it past high school. He was insecure about it. He respected books, but had no time to read. He wasn’t encouraged as a kid, either. The farm needs hands. When your life is laying irrigation pipe and spraying pesticides before dawn, TV is a vacation.

In the forties he went to boarding school for a while, even military school. So he knew the wider world. But I’m the only person in his family to go to college. I grew up on the farm, but it wasn’t for me. (Don’t ask me about tractor engines.) Even so, I respected the work and did my best to help out. Pops and I were bridges and counterweights for each other. So we always had a good time at lunch.

I forget how it came up, but one day at a diner—I was over 30—he said he wished I had religion. I was surprised because he wasn’t pious. He liked his church, donated pumpkins to their fall festival, but he didn’t attend regularly and never discussed it. Both my grandparents felt God is nobody’s business. Their children are agnostics at best, but he knew I’m an atheist. He gently said it bothered him.

He had plenty of doubts. He knew that religion—any religion—doesn’t make sense. He hated lectures, and acknowledged life is stressful enough without sweating over sin. But he’d witnessed two so-called miracles—the sudden disappearance of his mother’s cancer, and my recovery, aged 22 months, from a burst appendix. This gave him hope, and drove him to look twice at the Bible. Even if you don’t believe every word, he said, it’s full of good advice.

True, I said. The Jesuits made me learn my Bible. Life is brutal and short; solace is expensive. You take it as it comes, try not to hurt others. I think of Matthew 6—when thou doest thine alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth—all the time. But to me it’s only a reminder.

I told Pops we’re both free. You walk a line for a reward. I do it for its own sake. Maybe the Bible reminds me of that, maybe it doesn’t. But I feel the same pressure as you. Because one day the lights will go out.

He never thought of it this way. He understood it, even if he didn’t agree. Then we changed the subject.

He’d hate that Charlie Kirk made me think of this.

Pops was a Republican who hated Trump, Kirk, and all they stand for. My uncles disagreed; they had terrible arguments over it. I’m fairly sure he wondered where he went wrong. He died in 2019. But as I watched Kirk’s murder last week, I wondered how Pops would react.

Because I felt almost nothing.

As blood spurted from Kirk’s neck I felt no more than if I witnessed a bank robber shot in the street. Stunned, sickened at our national gun fetish, afraid for the future. But resigned. Live by the sword . . .

Because that’s what Kirk did. He wasn’t the street preacher of Ezra Klein’s fantasy. He didn’t (as Sally Jenkins has it) ‘grow’ or ‘learn.’ During his 13 years in public life he was remarkably consistent, a committed racist, misogynist, homophobe, and transphobe, a Christian nationalist who demonized immigrants. An architect of January 6th, he pled the Fifth on his role in it. Generally he opposed every civil right won in the last century. His neverending college tour—which centrists drool for like Firing Line and Aristotle—was a cheap social media content farm, a wrestler enticing hacks then bodyslamming them. That doesn’t mean he deserved to die. To my knowledge Kirk never advocated violence—he said ‘listening’ was necessary to prevent it. But in practice that meant us listening to him.  It lurked behind everything he said—Do as you’re told and nobody gets hurt. I’m not shocked he died a criminal’s death, shot, apparently, by the sort of young, nihilistic bully that he thought ripe for the picking.

So I don’t celebrate his murder. It’s like watching fire ants attack: sudden, brutal, senseless. But they’re not on me—not yet.

I’m sorry for his children, who are innocent. (This is more courtesy than Kirk extended to Gazans.) But I’m cold to his wife and friends, who promise to continue his ‘work’ ten times over.

So I think of Pops again, wishing I had a moral beacon. The state of the world worried and depressed him. He didn’t see an easy way out. Maybe he thought I needed armor.

Maybe he had a point.

If so, it’s no more or less than Hannah Arendt, who argued that reflexive empathy is a barrier to political thought. It’s no good trying to ‘blindly adopt . . . the views of those who stand somewhere else,’ she says. The productive way is ‘being and thinking in my own identity where I actually am not.’

Hardly Christian, if you go by the Hallmark® New Testament. But if we remember Jesus condemning the Pharisees, or cleansing the Temple, it seems Arendt identified Jesus’s strength as a man and politician.

The priests and moneylenders were working for a living—Sally Jenkins might wish Jesus heard them out. But they were enemies of peace, love, and humanity. He had a mission, and backed it up. At the Temple he even committed the crime that modern life often holds above murder—property damage. Jesus taught that empathy is the root of love, without which we’re doomed. His practice was astonishing, but not boundless. As Arendt says, Jesus kept, thought, and acted in his own identity, even when he faced risk. Depending on perspective you can ignore it; count it among his human flaws; or call it the realistic choice of a politically conscious rabbi.

And me?

I believe in human dignity. I’m willing to say so—and fight for it—up to the edge of my own.

Since Trump’s return, well-meaning people often remind each other ‘Don’t let them take your humanity.’ We all need that; it’s frighteningly easy to become the monster at the door. But it’s also a warning not to sacrifice yourself, bury your head, acquiesce—to remember who you are, don’t offer hands to those who’ll kill you.

Because even if he never said so, that’s what Kirk wanted. To destroy you, me, everyone who doesn’t look, think, or act like he did. Whoever devotes their life to making a country smaller and ‘purer’ will in their dreams—at least—stop at nothing to achieve it.

That’s why I can’t mourn him. The Bible is empathetic to human frailty, but it hates evil. It promises redemption in death only for credit in life.

Pops had it. For all his exhaustion, living by his wits, he had quiet, dignified, lifelong charity. He also—as many farmers do—slept with a loaded revolver.

He knew that a lonely farmhouse attracts bandits. He never used the gun, but he was prepared.

He was on God’s side.

J.S.

He could have easily been both r406. Groypers, although strongly associated with the extreme far right, have a lot of oddballs and non-conformists among them.

This kid seemed to be a social drop-out, nihilisitic, an all-day gamer, who possibly didn't believe in anything political.

Lots of speculation that Tyler is not cooperating because they want him to admit to having a leftwing ideology when he doesn't.

Link(s), please.

From The Bulwark's Will Sommer, formerly of WaPo:

[quote] No proof Tyler Robinson is a groyper

[quote] WITHIN HOURS OF THE NAME of Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin being released on Friday, a consensus solidified among prominent progressive social media accounts: Tyler Robinson was a “groyper.”

[quote] The idea that Robinson was a member of a group modeled after far-right followers of white nationalist podcaster and longtime Kirk antagonist Nick Fuentes had an irresistible irony: It allowed people fearful of the coming Trump administration retribution campaign to claim Kirk had actually been slain by someone further to his right.

[quote] Even Fuentes himself seemed to believe it could be true, saying before Robinson’s arrest that he would disavow any supporters who use violence.

[quote] But there is no actual evidence to support the groyper theory, or to suggest that Robinson has any affiliation with Fuentes or a related cause. Based on officials’ descriptions of the bullet casings and on his family’s social media posts, Robinson appears to be a young man who really liked memes and video games. But it takes more than that to be a groyper.

[quote] Although “groyper” is a somewhat nebulous term, there are a few things you’d expect of someone who adopts that label. There’s usually some use of a meme of an obese toad who looks like a more self-satisfied Pepe the Frog (this thicc amphibian is the “Groyper” for which the label is named). Groypers are racist. And groypers watch content from Fuentes or someone else in the white-nationalist digital media world broadly known as “America First.”

[quote] There’s no evidence yet that Robinson meets any of those criteria. But proponents of the groyper theory point to a Facebook post by Robinson’s mother that showed him squatting in a track suit on Halloween, writing that her son had dressed as “some guy from a meme.”

[quote] That meme is the “Slavic squat” or “gopnik,” where the joke is that Slavic men stereotypically like to squat in Adidas tracksuits (this is chronically online stuff we’re dealing with here). As far as I can tell, someone on Bluesky paired that picture with an old, circa-2016 meme of Pepe the Frog in a similar track suit, also squatting, and the paired images began to circulate together as proof of a groyper connection.

[quote] But the Slavic Squat/Gopnik meme is not necessarily a Pepe thing.

[quote] There are countless examples of the squatting meme that don’t feature Pepe. In other words, there’s no proof that Robinson is basing his Halloween costume on the Pepe meme.

[quote] Those who have been groyperpilled in the Robinson case also point to a previously obscure Spotify playlist entitled “Groyper Wars”—an apparent reference to the 2019 campaign to crash TPUSA campus events on Fuentes’s behalf. The playlist includes a remix of “Bella Ciao,” an Italian song linked to the Italian resistance that was used in a video game, Far Cry 6, a few years ago. Authorities said that those words were written on one of the bullet casings in Kirk’s shooting.

[quote] There’s no reason to think Robinson—or just about anyone else—ever heard of this playlist before or associated “Bella Ciao” with groypers. Before the shooting, the Spotify account that made the playlist had fewer than ten followers on Spotify. I can’t find any proof the playlist was promoted by Fuentes or anyone in his orbit.

[quote] The fifty-two other tracks on the supposedly incriminating playlist include such songs as MGMT’s “Electric Feel” and “Hip to Be Square” by Huey Lewis and the News—both bangers but not known as groyper anthems.

His conservative coworkers said he shied away from talking politics with them, a groyper still has much in common with regular MAGAs, he was also heard ranting about Trump and Kirk. Family member said that he ranted about Kirk spreading hate, high school friend said he was a leftist. The groyper idea seems to come from some armchair internet experts who've made lame attempts to connect the messages on the bullets to groypers. A groyper would've written "Catch, Jew" not "Catch, Fascist". This killing seems like a manifestation of the left's waning power "If we can't cancel you anymore then we'll just kill you".

“I think the main thing that’s caused so much confusion is that he was always generally apolitical for the most part,” the friend told me. “That's the big thing, he just never really talked politics which is why it's so frustrating.”

The picture that emerges bears little resemblance to the media version. Robinson, I am told, though quiet, was a well-liked person with a supportive family. The friend group who he interacted with on Discord, far from some kind of militia camp or Antifa bunker it’s been portrayed as, represented a range of different political views but mostly talked video games.

Yesterday, FBI Director Kash Patel said in an interview that Robinson “subscribed to left-wing ideology,” citing his family’s remarks to investigators. But those close to Robinson say there was a lot his family didn’t know about him.

[quote]Instead, it's crickets.

At least on Morning Baptist, they know the sale of MS NOW depends on not getting Trump upset.

I really would not put it past these fucking psychos to offer Tyler some kind of a deal if he comes out stating unequivocally that he is a left-wing lunatic or whatever and that he shot Kirk because of that. He might get additional years off if he says that he was fucking the trans-woman he was living with.

I still don’t see proof that his roommate was “trans.” Where is it?

[quote]Charlie Kirk was murdered while engaging in one of our most sacred and cherished American rights — the bedrock of our democratic republic — the free exchange of ideas in a search for truth, understanding and a more perfect union

Not fundraising on campus?

I don't think there's anything that will stop Ttrump & crew from putting Robinson to death, R417. The bloodlust overwhelms them.

[quote] At least on Morning Baptist, they know the sale of MS NOW depends on not getting Trump upset.

There's always some conspiracy angle available to support one's views.

[quote] I don't think there's anything that will stop Ttrump & crew from putting Robinson to death,

No. In Utah, a death sentence is imposed by a jury, and the decision must be unanimous.

[quote]high school friend said he was a leftist

That friend later told the Guardian he couldn't really remember anything specific, and the Guardian took down the quotations.

[quote]This killing seems like a manifestation of the left's waning power

Hmmm....

r417 Their Reddit account was filled with comments on trans subs, also anti-landlord subs, classic Marxist fixation. And why do they need to fake him being a leftist? It's not as if a large chunk of the left isn't cheering on political violence now.

Why are you on a gay discussion board, R423? You’re very obviously MAGA.

[QUOTE] It's not as if a large chunk of the left isn't cheering on political violence now.

Project much? No, bitch. YOUR side is the one who loves and craves political violence. Do you think we’re fucking idiots here?

Try peddling your special brand of horseshit to Free Republic (if it even still exists).

Cunt.

[quote]There's always some conspiracy angle available to support one's views.

I don't believe that Joe and Mika went to MAL to discuss a membership.

That would be conspiracy and conjecture, r420.

But there has been a definite change in the Joe Scarborough coverage,

r424 because I'm gay and I'm a little bit MAGA, a little bit Lefty.

I wonder if the roommate was his "lover" at all or if Patel and co. leaned on him to say that, to create some gay/trans angle

No, you’re just another stupid nazi

Well DAMN. Texts have been released, Robinson and the roommate. Robinson uses a “my love” endearment and says he kill Kirk because he had the opportunity and Kirk was spreading hate.

I wanted this to be a Groyper outcome but it does look like the Trump-MAGA narrative on this is going to have some substance underneath it.

Traditionally, Marxism is not concerned with trans issues.

Marxism is concerned with biological realities of sex because of how womanhood affects the workforce, raising children and education.

Surprise, you can be gay and MAGA at the same time!

Torta, I would hope this will put an end to this "Nazi on Nazi " talk here ... but, sadly, I know better.

[QUOTE] Surprise, you can be gay and MAGA at the same time!

Yes, we know. There were quite a few gay Nazis. Just like you.

R433, I’m as guilty as anyone of wanting only select possible facts to be the real ones… but this is going to get messy, and not so good for all parts of the GLBT acronym.

Also there’s been so much categoristical thinking going on. Is he is this box or in that one. His memes say gamer and amoral nihilist and “terminally online” but his texts to the roommate indicate a gay/trans relationship and motivation to kill Charlie Kirk because of opposition to Kirk’s peddling of bigotry.

[quote]Even Fuentes himself seemed to believe it could be true, saying before Robinson’s arrest that he would disavow any supporters who use violence.

Once it was reported that Robinson's family considered his views toward Kirk ugly and hateful, there were only two logical possibilities: he was either (very) far-left or a groyper. Fuentes himself knew that was true and was obviously worried about it. It wasn't absurd or grasping at straws to entertain the possibility of the latter, as some now contend (even within this thread).

Something that's very clear currently is that a large segment of Americans don't understand young people, especially those who are terminally online, as well as they should. There was also a lot of early conjecture predicated on false beliefs ranging from 'no liberal could have those sniper skills' to 'no groyper would have a trans friend/possible partner.' It's not always as simple as that.

[quote] That friend later told the Guardian he couldn't really remember anything specific, and the Guardian took down the quotations.

Common sense indicates that he would be under a lot of pressure from everyone he knows to recant. The roommate was trying to do the right thing initially by assisting law enforcement with their investigation of the murder.

[quote] I’m as guilty as anyone of wanting only select possible facts to be the real ones

Understandable in these times, Torta. I desperately wanted this to be a MAGA on MAGA hit, but when the speculation along these lines quickly ended, if begun at all, in my left-leaning media sources, I had to reconcile myself to the likely reality that it was not.

[quote] Torta, I would hope this will put an end to this "Nazi on Nazi " talk here ... but, sadly, I know better.

Of course it won’t. Those texts only prove he was a confused nazi

The very existence of the Log Cabin Repugs proves that gays can be nazis

CRAZY Charlie Kirk Clip Exposes It All

[quote] Of course it won’t. Those texts only prove he was a confused nazi

Oy vey.

Charlie Kirk is really alive! And now living in Argentina.

R425 I’m not pretending that the right hasn’t done violence but that was a reaction to them being out of power. Now that the left has lost power they’re showing that they’re not above it either. Buncha Patty Hearst wannabes.

Where are you seeing the left “cheering on political violence” R443? And please be specific. Isolated X posts is not “the Left” and there’s also nothing to prove that they aren’t right wing people posing as the left.

Nazis just lie, r444. They know that the truth does not support their evil, so they have no choice but to lie

[quote] Now that the left has lost power they’re showing that they’re not above it either. Buncha Patty Hearst wannabes.

Nice little fantasy. But again, all you nazis have is lies

[quote] Oy vey.

Yeah, because nazis are never confused about anything, right r441?

[quote]No. In Utah, a death sentence is imposed by a jury, and the decision must be unanimous.

If he doesn't get the death penalty, he'll be offed in prison.

[quote]He didn’t (as Sally Jenkins has it) ‘grow’ or ‘learn.’

Oh God, did she? She's become such a disappointment.

[quote] there’s also nothing to prove that they aren’t right wing people posing as the left.

Does that mean then that the right-wing people are people on the left posing as right-wing?

Why can’t people just accept that things are as they appear to be?

There appears to be no real evidence that he was a follower of Fuentes.

Let's face it, growing up closeted as a Mormon likely does a number on your psyche.

After reading his texts, I just feel very sad for him. He did an awful thing, and he will pay for it, but the whole entire situation is just fucking sad

The gay community will lose our hard-earned rights over this, including same-sex marriage.

[quote] He did an awful thing, and he will pay for it, but the whole entire situation is just fucking sad

Agree, sad and so damn stupid. His motive, at least right now, just seem so idiotic and crazy and ridiculous. Yes Charlie Kirk was an asshole in many ways, but killing him was going to ... what exactly?

[quote] Yes Charlie Kirk was an asshole in many ways, but killing him was going to ... what exactly?

I’ll assume it wasn’t to intentionally affect the 2026 elections, but I have a feeling it will in a big way.

With all that’s going on, & will continue to go on for the next 14 months, R454, I don’t see the murder of Charlie Kirk having sustaining power.

[quote]After reading his texts, I just feel very sad for him. He did an awful thing, and he will pay for it, but the whole entire situation is just fucking sad

I agree. Charlie Kirk wasn't worth this kid ruining his life over.

On the original thread on Wednesday, someone commented about the old man who was first taken into custody, and I replied, “Even if he has no connection with this murder, he still seems sus and a bad dude and should be investigated.”

Well, guess what? He had child porn on his phone and freely admitted to it. I pat myself on the back for knowing when I see a bad guy.

I know R442 is probably joking, but I did see a person on facebook (not a friend of mine) post that the video shows Charlie Kirk did not die and the whole event was contrived as an excuse to divide the country.

[quote] Charlie Kirk was an asshole in many ways, but killing him was going to ... what exactly?

To elicit a moving elegy from Ezra Klein!

Reading this kid's texts- it seems like he thought he was a character rather than a real person living a real life. The texts read very odd to me.

I think chronic online depersonalization is a problem.

[quote]The texts read very odd to me.

That's because they were written by the FBI.

The text convo is AI generated. That's not how panicked kids would talk. And it so neatly ties up everything told to the public. t's a coverup.

His referring to his dad as "my old man" is nuts. I'm Gen X and that was outdated in my time.

[Quote] he's white, male, from Utah, from a Republican household.

[Quote] Sounds pretty right and white to me!

R390 we agree he's white no argument there. Are your politics aligned with your family. It's sometimes a generational thing. Just because his family was Republican doesn't necessarily mean he was MAGA. On a number of threads I've heard people who aren't Republican or Maga refer to their MAGA family.

I've definitely heard Gen Xers say it more than a few times, R463. The younger generations I have no idea about, so I'll leave it at that.

I haven't read all the text messages, but I have to ask: Do we unequivocally know the boyfriend is trans? He still goes by Lance and the pictures I've seen of him could generously be labeled "gender fluid."

Is there a defense fund we can donate to?

R467 Just keep in mind that online activity can be tracked. Right now anything seen as anti Charlie Kirk and supportive of his murderer is now considered by the current regime and some employers as anti-American and subject to real consequences.

If everyone who posted something about Charlie Kirk's bigotry and hatefulness gets fired, the economy is going to collapse even faster.

[quote]Do we unequivocally know the boyfriend is trans?

I don't see any reason to think he is.

[quote] The texts read very odd to me.

[quote] That's because they were written by the FBI.

Hmm, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

A broken clock is still right twice a day

^^^. When you've lost Bannon...

That’s bullshit. No one texts like that, especially not Reddit kids.

[quote] Just keep in mind that online activity can be tracked. Right now anything seen as anti Charlie Kirk and supportive of his murderer is now considered by the current regime and some employers as anti-American and subject to real consequences.

Aw, look at R468, cooperating in advance with the nazis

It makes me so sad to see people--anyone--debase themself by straight up lying like this

[quote] When you've lost Bannon...

That would be wild to see the nuts on the right and the left come together in a deranged common cause.

What an administration your country has elected. I knew that it would be bad back in January but I couldn't have imagined that you'd be here in September.

[quote] What an administration your country has elected. I knew that it would be bad back in January but I couldn't have imagined that you'd be here in September.

As rational, decent people, there's always a failure of imagination when it comes to the "evil" (h/t Gen. John Kelly), "monstrous clown" (h/t Philip Roth) Donald Trump.

[quote]I will have left no evidence.

I was ready to be skeptical of these claims that the FBI would actually fabricate a long text thread and present it as real, but does any 22-year-old use a future perfect tense in a text? Or anywhere?

R475 My point to R467 was to do a cost benefit analysis of his own situation and know what risks he can afford to take and if they are worth it for this particular cause.

Contributing to the defense of a cold-blooded asshole murderer would not be at the top of my list to risk my job for. For others, maybe it is.

Each person should follow their own conscience.

Keep in mind that Tyler Robinson thought what he planned to do was a great idea, at least up until he was identified and forced to surrender to police and is now facing life in prison and possibly execution by the state of Utah. My guess is he regrets his choice now.

Thinking things through and making informed decisions can save a person and their loved ones a lot of grief.

A lot of you seem to be forgetting that this guy was Mormon until about 5 minutes ago, born and raised. Watch some of the documentaries on these kids on Youtube. They're so buttoned up-- literally-- and they DO have a very formal, mature way of speaking. Robinson may have been constantly online for the past few years, but that wouldn't negate everything that had gone before.

Also, as far as the FBI "making up" the texts, you do realize that the FBI isn't just the few people at the top appointed by Donald Trump, right? We are talking about agents who have been there through the last 3, 4, 5 presidents. These people aren't just going to throw away their reputations and the careers they've built over decades because Donald Trump "hates the trans". It doesn't work that way.

Yeah yeah. It's so believable. A billionaire was like hey, don't talk shi bout Ol Izzy and then found a patsy 22 year old weirdo in Utah to be the fall guy.

Absolutely.

What's sad is people stir up a lot of shit for money, only for money, and the only repercussions are being cancelled or, well, you know.

The texts are in complete sentences. No kid today uses complete sentences with every word spelled out correctly.

It’s just weird

A priest, a minister, and a rabbit walk into a bar.

The rabbit says, "I think I might be a typo".

[Quote] was ready to be skeptical of these claims that the FBI would actually fabricate a long text thread and present it as real, but does any 22-year-old use a future perfect tense in a text? Or anywhere?

[Quote] The texts are in complete sentences. No kid today uses complete sentences with every word spelled out correctly.

What assassin readily acknowledges he's the killer, turns himself in to a youth minister on the advice of his parents I don't think we're talking about a typical 22-year-old kid.

This kid is going to "commit suicide" any day now

For the very first time EVER - I agree with Bannon and Owens (R472 & R473). Something doesn't smell right with these text messages. Something seems very off. As we all know - Trump and the entire Trump administration operate by making up lies and repeating them over and over until they become truth and embedding the lies with spin and gaslighting. They have no issue with manufacturing "truth" to suit their agenda. They have no issue with everyone knowing they are lying. The FBI is heavily compromised and is no longer a credible government authority and is loyal only to Trump and the Trump administration.

If the shooter or the roommate confirm verbally in interview, which we can all see, or via their legal representation, that the text messages are real then I will be immediately convinced. Until then - this is just made up garbage to support their coming war on the left.

Something which really worries me - if the texts ARE real then this is the worst outcome for us gays that I can think of. They will come for us hardcore. Not just the transes, We all knew they would eventually come for us gays but here is the actual catalyst for it. I'm [bold]really[/bold] worried.

Here's Jen and Pumps (IHIP News) discussing this:

You made me giggle and smile R486. Thank you.

When the worst people you know are saying the things nobody else can get away with…

[quote]then this is the worst outcome for us gays that I can think of.

You mean a white Utah sharpshooting gay assassin who was able to land a kill shot with an old tech rifle at 200 yards?

I think that would put the fear of gay in some racists.

The most likely non-malicious explanation is the texts were deleted, and that what you are reading is a paraphrased retelling of them to investigators by the boyfriend-roommate during an “aggressive interrogation posture”. (LOL Kash)

…and that the FBI was not clear in that distinction when providing the state prosecutors with the information for the charging doc.

[quote] a paraphrased retelling of them

Maybe using AI, hence the awkwardness? ("Hey AI, write up the following interrogation notes in the form of a drama-heavy text message exchange between two 22-year-old Utahns").

Someone suggested Tyler himself fabricated the texts in order to cover for the roommate. Like Walter White did in his final phone call to his wife.

Why would you say “non-malicious” R493. Literally everything this Administration does has some kind of malicious intent.

This is a stealth troll post.

[quote] For the very first time EVER - I agree with Bannon and Owens

Never a smart decision.

[quote] When the worst people you know are saying the things nobody else can get away with…

That’s a good indication that people shouldn’t say or believe those things.

[quote] Someone suggested Tyler himself fabricated the texts in order to cover for the roommate. Like Walter White did in his final phone call to his wife.

That's good enough for me. Lock up the roommate STAT.

Never thought I’d agree with Gaetz, Bannon, Large Marge or Candy Owens on anything, ever.

But…

MTG, cray-cray as ever!

Same here r500. And Tucker is actually taking on a lot of crap from the right by speaking out about his final conversations with KC regarding Netanyahu and Israel.

Re the texts: Utah LE just needs to release them in screenshot form, the whole exchange. To quell the drama, otherwise there will be ongoing doubts they were doctored.

“My love, I’m still stuck here yonder for a little while longer yet.”

Yet? As soon as I read “yet” I knew this was fake. No one talks like that in this century. Did they ask ChatGPA to write texts from the Victorian era?

I love this trajectory for her!

Let’s hope they continue to attack each other in their stimulus pissing contest

He sho WAS ugly!

If the text ARE real, then they show the trans person had nothing to do with this whatsoever

This kid is a patsy. I've never been a conspiracy theorist, but anyone who believes anything that comes out of K$H Patel's FBI has a screw loose. The entire narrative is bullshit and doesn't add up.

[quote] No one talks like that in this century.

Unless if you're "off," as Tyler appears to be. If this was not real, don't you think those who "created" these texts would have tried a little harder to make them seem more real?

An important life lesson. You definitely need to check yourself if ever you find yourself in the same space as Candace Owens.

[quote] If the text ARE real, then they show the trans person had nothing to do with this whatsoever

Officials themselves have been stressing that, especially since he’s been so cooperative in telling them everything he knows about Tyler.

I'm walking around in Chicago and seeing flags at half mast at our park district buildings, at Walgreens in gay Edgewater - everywhere. Why are non-federal places complying with this ridiculousness and it was supposed to end this past Sunday. This is NUTS.

R510, so you feel comfortable on the side of Pam Bondi and Kash Patel? An important life lesson is to make up your own mind.

R493, that is pretty malicious, actually. There are lots of Twitter threads about this, many people don’t think that these texts are real.

Is Twitter where you go to discover the "truth" about the news, r514? How credible do you think these many people on Twitter are? What access do they have to any of the evidence that's been collected, the witnesses, the suspect, the suspect's friends and families, the suspects personal effects?

Conspiratorialists are gonna conspiracize. A story as old as time.

Do you have access r515? I agree with you about twitter but I also agree with r514 that it is a malicious manipulation. I don't believe r514's intent was to rely on Twitter as an authority, only to suggest that many are asking questions, those on Twitter included.

You mean a lot of tin hats believe the evidence gathered by the investigators is fabricated, r517. They sound like idiots.

I said questioning, not necessarily believing, yet.

It seems to me that the roommate is throwing him under the bus, no?

Just asking questions. Isn't that the MAGA fallback position?

So basically blame the trans and the Jews. Not chilling at all.

Keep trying r521. Block me and check my posts before slinging accusations.

Not gonna block you, R523. I can count on one hand, with digits to spare, those who I have blocked. And I didn't mean to suggest YOU were a MAGAt. But the "I'm just asking questions" IS a constant MAGA refrain to deflect accountability.

[quote]But the "I'm just asking questions" IS a constant MAGA refrain to deflect accountability.

I think it's a technique that people use to encourage discussion, from anyone with a view. Teachers do it.

Fair enough r524. My suggestion to block was to give you access to my other posts.

You've convinced me I needn't have been so paranoid.