Is Charlie Kirk the new Franz Ferdinand

We won’t know until the future happens and we then can look back on the past.

A conspiracy theorist would argue that he was eliminated as a martyr for the cause. Trump can now rally the conservatives to use the army against U.S. citizens. Martial Law in the US, elections cancelled.

;last February CK called for public executions, for them to be televised and for them to be viewed mandatorily by children, calling it a holy rite

I dunno. I'm not familiar with the rock scene.

[quote]A conspiracy theorist would argue that he was eliminated as a martyr for the cause. Trump can now rally the conservatives to use the army against U.S. citizens. Martial Law in the US, elections cancelled.

But why would he do this in Utah?

He would arrange for something to happen in NYC, Chicago, or San Francisco.

I don’t think so OP.

I feel something different here.

I get more of a feeling that the MAGA crowd are afraid and unmoored by this.

So the Bernie Sanders lookalike who was dragged through the town square with no pants was not the shooter?

He wasn’t, r7. He’s still at large.

R7 - they took the wrong man into custody and released him with no charges.

I’m sure he’ll be apprehended soon. Kash Patel is on the case.

I'd say there's a good chance some MAGAt will go on a shooting spree because (s)he's convinced Kirk's murder is the start of a war against right-wingers, and (s)he wants to get in first. But then, it's America. People are always going on shooting sprees. It's barely even newsworthy anymore.

Which way is he looking R10?

The security guard at this Kirk event is hot.

I do hope they catch the guy soon, as I suspect the motive is not what the MAGAts want it to be. But then again, there may be strong reasons to NOT catch him, and just let the chaos spread.

the shooter is still on the loose, no?

The shooter was an excellent marksman. No doubting that.

[quote]I do hope they catch the guy soon, as I suspect the motive is not what the MAGAts want it to be.

It could have been one of the many girls that he's raped

Whatever. One things for sure, the world is a better place without this piece of shit, in it

Cheers

My money is it’s a qanon warrior who flipped over Epstein. Or an Israel hating far right.

I do wonder that too r19. Or some dumbfuck groyper who is sure that Charlie Kirk betrayed the one true faith by not falling in with Nick Fuentes. The Cult is full of deeply fucked up assholes who are constantly sure that somebody is betraying their fucked up nonsense.

Let's go for international intrigue here: The shooter, an excellent marksman, was an agent of Putin's, the object being to distract from the events in Poland etc., plus of course the old standby "sow discord in America."

[quote]The shooter was an excellent marksman. No doubting that.

I switched over to Fox to see what lies they were peddling, the "expert" said the shooter was just adequate. What a numb nut, I think it was mission accomplished.

[quote]Is Charlie Kirk the new Franz Ferdinand

If he is, having a hit song titled "Take Me Out" would be ironic.

Sadly that guy might have a point r22. With modern guns that shot may not have been that difficult. Which just makes it more obvious that maybe we shouldn't have a policy of ensuring that every fucking asshole has a high powered rifle capable of killing anybody from what would have been a very difficult distance in the days of JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald.

The most shocking thing here is that he was only 31, he looked so much older.

I totally agree, OP.

Much more happening behind the scenes here.

This happened on 9/10/2025, which is one day before 9/11.

If you take 9-10, and add 9-11, times 2025, minus 2001 / 2016. What does that get you to?

Exactly!!! It's so obvious

[quote]“I think empathy is a made up, new age term, which does a lot of damage.”

He said this in 2022. So, I guess no thoughts and prayers for his tradwife and their crotchfruit, then.

“I think it’s worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year.”

--Charlie Kirk

Well, well, well, if it isn't like Lou Gehrig dying of Lou Gehrig's disease!

You really can't do anything to help some people. You know what I feel? Nothing. I am only hoping the killer is some agitated right-wing nut job.

Are you the same person who was using numerology and Charlie’s age of 31 earlier today?

Why do certain numbers mean certain things?

Maybe it was a personal motive like adultery or money or some other kind of betrayal. Meanwhile, it’s automatically being blamed on hate speech by the “radical” left - which is being met by much more hateful speech by the right. I wonder if we’ll ever know the real reason.

[quote]“I think empathy is a made up, new age term, which does a lot of damage.”

CK's uncertainty urged me to some basic research. This I found: "The English word empathy originates from a 1909 translation of the German term Einfuhlung ('feeling into'), coined by Theodor Lipps to describe projecting oneself into an object or person's subjective experience."

So, not particularly 'new age', and an adapted translation rather than a word fashionably fabricated. In any event, such a humane word demonstrably hasn't caused as much 'damage' as guns and their worship.

so he was a psychopath

The shooter will probably never be found.

Ironically I recently spent a drunken night on Wikipedia digging into Habsburgs, Burgundians, and the zealous religious habits of the so-called 'Land of Rabbits'.

[quote]Which way is he looking?

In your direction, buddy.

There is chatter on other forums that since the shooter looks more like a sniper that got it with one shot and quickly had a well planned get away, there is speculation he might have been from the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) because Charlie Kirk recently switched his view now calling it genocide.

Consider that Israel carried out strikes on Qatar's capital Doha to kill Hamas but that's a completely different country they are not at war with. They now feel emboldened to do whatever they want including shutting down any decent. Remember early on in the war, they assassinated a well known reporter in the West Bank.

I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday.

[quote]My money is it’s a qanon warrior who flipped over Epstein. Or an Israel hating far right.

I was kind of thinking that too - someone that thought Kirk wasn't hateful enough. And he was killed in Utah, not the godless California.

So many different kinds of people had a reason to hate him. It could be anyone. Someone connected to IDF seems plausible...but weren't people originally claiming that about Luigi? And they were completely off base. Oh well, I'm sure Kash "Crazy Eyes" Patel will find the killer in no time!

Why would the IDF care about taking out an unknown CEO? Charlie Kirk on the other hand being a very visible and influential political guy on the rise suddenly pointing out their genocide makes a lot more sense.

I am not saying that's most likely who shot him, but it's more plausible when you consider how they just bombed another country. I am guessing it's just some disgruntled former military guy from the US. Maybe he lost his health benefits, or SNAP or VA coverage or job thanks to Trump.

A gay lover spurned!

Whenever these things happen, it's always a surprise how ordinary these people are: no Jason Bourne, no ninja, just some person with little/no employment, no spouse that their relatives & neighbors have been avoiding for years. I recall the guy that committed the Las Vegas massacre didn't have any kind of formal military training (though he was shooting randomly while this person is clearly a marksperson). I suspect the answer to who killed Charlie will be similarly anti-climatic.

Considering the FBI is run by someone who's completely unqualified, who fired the special agent in charge of Utah, and — as a bonus — can't focus on the hand in front of his face, expect a detailed suspect profile never!

But because Orange Jesus appointed him, he's doing great. Even though he's brown.

[quote] Why would the IDF care about taking out an unknown CEO?

They wouldn't, but some people thought he looked Israeli and could have been an ex-soldier.

It took 5 days for Luigi to be identified and arrested...place your bets on how long this one will take.

Charlie called for the release of the Epstein files, the day before the Senate decided (by whisker) that the Epstein files remain closed. Maybe there's something there...

The Democrats and 'Republicans against Trump' are calling for peace, violence has no place in society no matter how you feel. MAGA is explaining why it can't be a marksman, but any random can make the shot.

Hey Charlie, they eventually came for you right. Surprised so you were so early on the list, but then so was Madison Cawthorn.

R37 Have you been living under a rock? Everyone was talking about him on Twitter, long before he was killed.

[quote]I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday.

He was 31, raised over 100 Million dollars for Trump election, turning white young Bros into MAGA voters. Basically Orange Jesus of Gen Z males.

Charlie Kirk is no Franz Ferdinand, unless there's a conspiracy for which his murder is a flashpoint.

More likely, shooter putting down Kirk, just made it more difficult from an economic and logistical POV to give a platform to professional provocateurs with inflammatory and offensive content. Just moving the event indoors raises the price.

• Security personnel: More guards, plainclothes officers, and perimeter control.

• Venue modifications: Indoor-only setups, bulletproof staging, and controlled access points.

• Insurance premiums: Liability coverage for politically charged events is likely to spike.

• Paying for metal detectors, sniperscopes, and riot insurance

• Facing student walkouts, donor backlash, or staff resignations

• Risking reputational damage and media scrutiny

…then yes, the cost of giving them a platform rises. And that’s not censorship—it’s consequence.

Charlie "Hate Speech" Kirk raised $100 million for Trump in 2020. How much less if we need to substract expenses above.

I perused Reddit’s conspiracy threads last night, & what I gathered is the truth:

We can speculate all we want, however, we have no idea why he was killed or who did it.

🎶Where have you gone, Charlie Kirk, an angry MAGA turns it eyes to you🎶

JD Vance skipping out on the 9/11 memorial and headed to Utah.

Trying to turn Kirk into a saint.

r48 -- here, think of it as the wackos bombing women's health care clinics. How the doctors stopped doing it, the clinics closed, so by the time the SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, in many parts of the country it was already difficult to get one.

I am not advocating a civil war--I am just saying do not show up at a gunfight with a copy of Roberts Rules of Order, which is what the Democrats have been doing. Esp. "don't be like them and gerrymander your state." "When they go low, we go high." Be like them and engineer a super majority or even a simple one with blackmail and payoffs. If their lunatic fringe bombs your HQ, infect theirs with industrial waste. If they chase you out of a state, have follow-up cars to chase them. I am sure others have better ideas.

> Didn't some one mention the CDC had access to smallpox and we shouldn't make them mad.

It seems to me, the best approach is targeted responses with a higher degree of sophistication. They like to call libs tree huggers, soy boys, etc. Let them who got the brains, the marksmanship, the imagination.

R37 he was perhaps best known as the guy who never gave his wife a wet ass pussy

I saw a maga tweet - “Arrest every democrat politician and ban the party under RICO.”

They’re acting like this is the only act of political violence in American history. It doesn’t matter if 90% of political violence is right wing. The public believes it’s the left that’s violent. So why not actually be what they think you are?

[Quote] “I think it’s worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year.”

[Quote] --Charlie Kirk

A perfect tombstone inscription!

Both people who took a shot at Trump were not easily pigeonholed as lefties so the media (that is, conservatives, since the media is conservative and works to make conservatives feel better) dropped the story.

If Kirk's killer is similar, the same thing will happen.

He actually wasn’t a very good shooter R16. He missed his head from 200 yards. Good snipers can hit from a thousand. The guy was likely an amateur.

Putin

I think as far as shooting goes, he still got the result he wanted r57. Unlike that stupid ear lobe shooter at the Trump event.

[quote] “I think it’s worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year.” --Charlie Kirk

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

an nba twitter reaction

This will elevate Vance considerably. I don't know this all seems incredibly fishy.

If you haven't watched Eddington now is an excellent time.

[quote] R37 Have you been living under a rock? Everyone was talking about him on Twitter, long before he was killed

I use Twitter mostly for sport, TV and stuff related to my job. I’m not American tend to avoid libertarian/MAGA podcasters and social media, so it’s likely I blocked most of his famous supporters.

And I listen to a lot of podcasts.

[quote] If you haven't watched Eddington now is an excellent time.

What a good idea! Most people prefer the writing in Yes Minster, but I have always preferred to watch him as Jerry and Penelope Keith as Margo in The Good Life.

Why Vance specifically, R62?

While this was VERY dramatic seeing live video so graphic people thought it was AI. I do not believe this will help the MAGA movement in terms of martyrs. A week from now he will be forgotten. He was not a politician, he was an influencer at the end of the day, not an elected official.

the outcry has been intense, but you are correct, never an elected official. simply a profiteer

[quote][R37] he was perhaps best known as the guy who never gave his wife a wet ass pussy

That was Ben Shapiro, not Charlie Kirk.

Vance does not have the pure adulation of MAGA that Trump does. If Vance can harness this moment to win MAGA fully over - he wins.

It is what Thiel has paid for.

Jealous JD saw how popular and charismatic Kirk is (for that crowd, anyway) and decided to off his potential rival before 2028?

For r71.

Vance can be very convincing (see veep debate); however, he'll have to offer something concrete beyond "thoughts and prayers" blather.

[quote] He actually wasn’t a very good shooter [R16]. He missed his head from 200 yards. Good snipers can hit from a thousand. The guy was likely an amateur.

I'll say.

Flags flying at half mast today, yet when two demcratic politcians in MN were attcked one couple killed by a Magat...nothing other than Trump blaming the left and refusing to call the governor of MN because it would not do any good. Oh the GOP in MN refused to delay voting since they had a majority now. But hey..both sides huh?

P.S. I never wished him dead but Charlie Kirk was a vile human being.

Flags are also at half-mast in remembrance of Sept. 11.

More like the new Horst Wessel.

[quote]“I think empathy is a made up, new age term, which does a lot of damage.”-CK

Oh. Maybe he means "sympathy", which can be found in the dictionary...between "shit" and "syphilis".

I forgot about some of the shit Kirk has said in the past—good ole' social media. Hateful young man.

Wait, did that Bozo Kash Patel really fire the Special Agent for Utah?

I hope the guy has cleared out his desk and refuses to pick up the phone now.

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Musk is calling for war

Franz wore it better.

Charlie Kirk is now a martyr. We are fucked.

Sorry but how is the left the party of murder when it was the right wing nut job who shot and killed the democrats in MN? and the shooter of Kirk has not even been identified?

[quote]I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday.

There's a whole bunch of these MAGAt "influencers". They're grifters that preach hate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I'd never heard of these people either, until I joined Twitter. They aren't mainstream. Before this, you never would have heard about these people on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN etc.

Some of them are dan bongino (who is now the assistant director of the FBI), candice owens, JackPosobiec, nick fuentes (he's some piece of shit from Australia) and a bunch of other human garbage. They're PROFESSIONAL AGITATORS. They preach hate, they're happy when democrats die. They're conspiracy theorists too. I think this loser didn't believe the Newtown, Connecticut school shootings happened (where the entire class of 6 yr olds got murdered). These people are human garbage.

REALITY CHECK FOR ALL THE" VIOLENT LEFT" SHILLS

The man who targeted and killed Democratic State Representative Mellissa Hortman was a Trump Supporter.

The man who targeted the home of Democratic Gov Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter.

The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6 were Trump supporters.

The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama appointed Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter.

The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband in their home was a Trump supporter.

The men who were convicted of trying to kidnap Gov Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters.

The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama & Biden was a Trump supporter.

There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders,attempted murders or violent attacks.

BTW: ALL of these men were:

WHITE

NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

NOT TRANS

I thought I hadn't heard of Kirk when my partner told me he'd been shot, but I later found I'd blocked him on Twitter. I do my best to ignore his kind.

R86 Nick Adams is the Australian, not Nick Fuentes.

Trump has fingered this self-proclaimed Alpha to be ambassador to Malaysia.

So many fucking grifters

Ben Shapiro is another one

Ben Shapiro is pissing his little lacey, flower-printed panties right about now.^^

That's right R90. I hate that Fuentes mother fucker. He has such a punchable face.

I just posted this link to show his shitty face.

How can a guy named "Fuentes" be a white supremacist?

Plus, he apparently has some homosex in him.

What is the motive for killing him tho. The NC light rail stabber looked trans to me. What is happening chemically?

He's the new Elena Ceausescu.