Olivia Walton treated like shit by 2 A-List actresses in an elevator

Betty Buckley and Sada Thompson

Obviously, it was Linda Lavin and Bonnie Franklin.

Blake Lively

Sue Ann Nivins and Beth Jarrett.

My God this poor lady. She really got her feelings hurt for 50 years.

Helen Hayes and Mildred Natwick. Bullies

I was in the corner of that elevator: it was M and Patti. Of course.

The Olson Twins

Jane Wyman and Nancy Davis.

Audrey and Judy Landers

You're not missing much r10. It's a short clip. We have to wait for her memoir to find out who they were.

Lucy and Vivian

OR

Bea and Rue

I strongly suspect Mary Wickes and Jane Withers. Both had a nasty mean streak.

I'd have guessed Miss Dunaway, but Michael doesn't mentioned a salad being thrown.

Helen Lawson and Neely O'Hara.

The Melissas on the Prairie

Helen Wagner and Charita Bauer.

Helen gave her the “vinegar” stare, while Charita kicked Ms. Learned with her good leg.

The Hermoines, Gingold and Baddely, drunk and farting.

Shelley Hack and Cheryl Ladd

Ellen Corby and Judy Norton-Taylor.

Hedda and Louella

Emily and Maime Baldwin

That bitch Vicki Lawrence

this could be the best thread EVAH!

Cagney and Lacey

Judith Lowry and Zara Cully!

Liv Ullmann and Isabelle Huppert.

I was thinking it might've been people she beat out for Emmys during "The Waltons", but I can't really picture any two of these women teaming up to trash while she's in the damn elevator with them.

1973: Lynda Day George, Susan Saint James

1974: Jean Marsh, Jeanette Nolan

1976: Angie Dickinson, Anne Meara, Brenda Vaccaro

Celeste Holm was one of ‘em.

I think it’s 2 obnoxious film actresses, or 2 TV stars from an 80s “prestige” drama, who thought their shit didn’t stink.

So my guesses:

Melanie Mayron and Patricia Wettig

Or

Deborah Winger and Raquel Welch

What did the A List actresses do? Please tell me so I won’t have to watch a video.

Kami Cotler and Melissa Gilbert.

Is that really Steve Kmetko in the video? Wow, he's gotten FAT!

Oh for fucks sale, the goddamn video is 80 seconds long.

She got in an elevator with a couple of cunts who realized who she was and started mocking “that tv show with the kids in overalls and bare feet.” She wouldn’t mention their names on the recording, but said she will mention it in her memoir. She promised to tell that queen Steve Kmetko off the record.

She’s 86, so she probably will take it to her grave, so we need to guess.

The 1960s famous singing duo, The Kessler Sisters! Bitches.

This incident was mentioned in the second edition of "Hollywood Babylon."

Sally Kirkland and Sylvia Miles. Or Diana Rigg and Sarah Mikes.

Sarah Miles. Sorry.

Liz Montgomery and Barbara Eden. They criticized every Emmy winning actress while riding elevators back then.

Perhaps we should use the Hotel guest star thread to determine who these bitches were.

Actually, that won’t work , A Listers didn’t guest on Hotel.

Agnes Moorehead and Mabel Albertson.

CBS.

Cloris Leachman and Betty White.

R33, lazy thing, they accused her of an audible and noxious fart.

A photo of the suspects caught in the act.

Lots of amazing star names mentioned but very few A list.

Did she say A list? I heard well-known.

Nancy Dussault & Jm J Bullock.

It was Deidre Hall and Jaclyn Smith.

They’ve long hosted acting workshops at each other's homes wherein they workshop scenes from Brecht, Chekov and Tracy Letts, after which they give one another extensive and detailed acting notes.

They had invited Ms. Learned to audit a session (knowing she was a company member of American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco.) When she was too busy to attend, the knives came out.

SUZANNE WAS ONE OF THEM

Sounds line Donna Pescow and Karen Lynn Gorney!

If you dare to listen or watch the entire interview, drink lots of caffeine to stay awake. She's not a great interviewee, and he's a horrible interviewer (in my opinion).

I totally get her complaint. I can’t believe at over 65 years old I still have to deal with middle school mean girls. And they are over 65 too.

Lucy could take flight in those eyelashes.

Could it have been Laverne DeFazio and Shirley Feeney ? ?

Who are any of these people? How old are some of you? And do you only watch the "talkies"

Olivia DeHavilland was one of them.

Does Faye use elevators?

I’m so sorry to hear ‘’Livie’’ was abused in a lift but the responses make this thread my all time favorite ❤️

I heard about this. Way back. It was Karen Valentine and Dame Edna.

Those two bitches, Eva Longoria and Felicity Huffman

Jamie Lee Curtis had to be one of them.

Sarah Jessica Parker and Cynthia Nixon

The Baldwins

Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble.

Demi Moore and her hairy snatch.

Faye Dunaway and a little homosexual boy

Carol Burnett and Julie Andrews.

Those cunts.

Barrie Youngfellow and Crystal Bernard.

It was those Teenage jezebels Dana Plato and Erin Moran.

Shirley Booth and Bea Benaderet.

Mindy Cohn and Kim Feilds

Valerie Bertinelli and Mackenzie Phillips

Aunt Liz and Ada Davis Hobson

It was obviously Brendad and Jackie on Assistance

Peri Gilpin and Jane Leeves

Sounds like Maureen Teefy and Irene “raisin tits” Cara

Lani O’Grady and Susan Richardson.

Emma Samms and Karen Cellini.

Henrietta Pussycat and that bull dagger dyke, Lady Elaine Fairchilde.

Amanda Blake and Virginia Graham

The people in that show not only sleep with their clothes but in them!

Noel Neill and Phyllis Coates.

Mary and Ethel.

Barbra and Liza.

Mary Martin and Ethel Merman

Betty and Veronica

Florence Henderson and Ann B Davis

Julie and Barbara, DAMNIT!!!

Susan Lucci and Robin Strasser

Carroll Baker and Carol Lynley

Harriet and Nellie Olsen.

Joan Collins and Diahann Carroll.

While many of these are humorous, I really do want to know their identities. They must have been old enough to remember the show, but also be younger enough than Learned to be Hollywood brats. If she is going to break DL rules and not name names she needs to give us clues, however vague.

In Joan Fontaine's autobiography, "No Bed of Roses," she relates the story of a huge Hollywood star who entered an elevator with Joan and proceeded to pee in the corner. Joan wrote *just* enough so that you KNEW it was Ava Gardner. That's how you do it!

Patricia Neal and Estelle Parsons

[quote]While many of these are humorous, I really do want to know their identities.

Why ? What will you do with this information once you have it ?

R97 I'm DEAD curious too.

I can't intellectually defend why. I just AM.

I think the mystery is more of the story than knowing who it was.

this recollection is not something I would expect from Michael Learned in a Steve Kmetko podcast!

my impression is that it was early in the show's run, which would make it circa '74?

her knowing laugh about how it still bothered her years later was very endearing. , she had a significant stage career prior to the Waltons... I guess nothing prepares you to get broadsided like that .

I hope she carries one of her four Emmys in a handbag should it happen again..

Well, R97, what does anyone do with any bit of knowledge they have? Use it, store it, relate it, forget it. There is no discernible end to information (for most of us). It's not like I'll forget my Social Security number if I learn their identities.

Jeez, she’s 86? She’d better get to typing on that memoir.

R102 You got that right...

Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly

It was those mean girls, Lynda and Lindsay. Cunts.

Hard to believe any two well-known actresses would have intentionally tried to humiliate Ms. Learned in this fashion. Maybe they were just trying to be funny in that they immediately recognized who she was so they started talking about THE WALTONS while pretending not to recognize her. I guess it depends on exactly what they said about the show. If they outright insulted it, then of course, that would have been horribly disrespectful and childish bullying.

MIchael Learned had four husbands!

R107, And?

I want to know who those bitches are so I can hate them too! Dead or alive, it doesn't matter.

Angie and Bea

This sounds like something that cunt Paltrow would do, thinking she is cute.

[quote] Barbra and Liza.

(talking in the elevator as if Michael Learned were not even there)

LIZA: "Don't you shee, Barbra? She'sh on that show where all thoshe kidsh are alwaysh barefoot and wear blue jeansh, and the grandparentsh are played by homoshexual character actorsh... it's that show shet during the Depresshion!"

BABRA: "Oy gevalt! It's a shonda!"

Steve Kmetko has morphed into Robert Ebert.

All I know is Oprah doesn't use stairs.

You didn't hear it from me.

Ruth Buzzi and Edie McClurg can be very cruel!

I was thinking that if Michael doesn't get her memoirs published before she dies, Steve can tell us after. Then I looked up his age (72) and realized that he may not outlive her.

He’s not outliving her with that spare tire around his waist. He’s got more chins than a Chinese phonebook.

What is a phonebook, R117? Is it the instruction manual that comes with your phone?

Steve needs to start a GO FUND ME to build himself a better set / it looks like he rents It out to a tarot card reader on his days off

Julia + GOOP.

Steve is so far removed from how I remember him from E!

Lilian Roth and Gretchen Wyler

Betsy von Furstenberg and Dina Merrill

Sharon Tate and Raquel Welch

Anita Ekberg and Suzanne Pleshette

Shelley Winters and Stella Stevens

Ellen and Portia

Laverne & Shirley, AKA Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams. Both were popular and widely well known in that time frame

Luise Rainer and ZaSu Pitts

Lauren Tewes and Jill Whelan threw dog shit at her.

Melanie Watson crushed her toes with her wheelchair and Mary Jo Catlett shook her tits at her.

Steve Kmetko 35 years ago.

O youth and beauty!

Pamelyn Ferdin and Eve Plumb.

"She looks positively GOOFY on that show!"

Lillian Gish and Mary Pickford

Reta Shaw and Fritzi Burr

Laverne and Shirley

It sounds like Lee Grant and her bitch daughter Dinah Manoff.

I could see Shirley MacLaine being one of them.

Learned is a nut. She goes to an AA meeting on tuesdays and talks crazy about her elderly kids. Shes full of a lot of shit.

Mary Swartz and Ethel Hotchkis.

R118 Jackie O's secretary saved her hours a day when she told her the names in the telephone book were in alphabetical order.

Keep Lee Grant's name OUT YA MOUTH, R137!

[slap]

Jean Smart and Delta Burke

One is clearly Faye Dunaway she is a total C-word.

Faye and Lauren "High Point" Bacall

R119, Steve flys in from Chicago every two or three months and tapes five or six interviews in one day, in a cheap studio in North Hollywood. I know someone who did one. When they arrived, they discovered their interview was bumped to later in the day; they sat in a green room for hours. By the time they finally got on set, SK was exhausted, seemed slightly disinterested, and got several facts wrong (by that time, my friend was in no mood to correct him).

I know Steve slightly. Lovely guy, has been sober for years (have friends who know him from AA meetings in Chicago), but since he’s been gone from Hollywood for almost 20 years, his style of Tinseltown puff piecery no longer exists (imagine Rona Barrett or Barbara Howar using their softball interview style these days). He’s a little desperate to get back into the game after his firing (one episode is Steve being interviewed by Amy Yasbeck about his life), when he moved back to Chicago to tend to his ailing parents. Again, a very sweet guy, but needs someone better prepping him so he doesn’t come off as fawning and deferential to Chad Lowe and Jill Whelan (although Jill’s episode is one of his best, because Vicki Stubing pours the TEA!)

I would rather uncover this mystery than talk about Charlie Kirk.

TIA!

R95 - “In Joan Fontaine's autobiography, "No Bed of Roses," she relates the story of a huge Hollywood star who entered an elevator with Joan and proceeded to pee in the corner. Joan wrote *just* enough so that you KNEW it was Ava Gardner. That's how you do it!”

The Dirty Mare!

“Johnboy, Johnboy? What are you doing in there?”

Sounds like the Gabors.

Johnboy was always jerking off R149. His "writing" was a cover story.

I saw her on Broadway in THE BEST MAN. Good cast (Charles Durning, Elizabeth Ashley, Chris Noth, Spaulding Grey) I got her autograph and she was so incredibly nice. BTW, I also got Chris Noth's autograph and when he came out the stage door, he shouted 'OK, who's not voting for George Bush!'

Dame Edna and RuPaul

Brenda Vaccaro and Morgan Fairchild. Those two bitches really thought their shit didn’t stink when Paper Dolls got picked up.

⬆️

Not Brenda. Had it been her, Ms. Learned would have said “one of them threw a box of tampons at me”.

Like R152, I've seen Learned on stage. She's an excellent actor.

What's always been such a shame about her career is that the bottom just completely fell out of it after the cancellation of Nurse, which she won her final Emmy for. Going from The Waltons and winning or constantly being nominated for some of the top awards in your profession (8 Emmy noms with 4 wins, 4 Golden Globe noms), being on the cover of major magazines, to doing stock and regional theatre and middling Broadway roles (she even did replacement work) must have been quite the wakeup call.

Yes, she was an older woman by that point, but there was no Murder She Wrote or Golden Girls in her future, or a dramatic Judging Amy or Brothers and Sisters. No mini-career in a string of made for tv movies, like Meredith Baxter-Lesbian, Markie Post, Nancy McKeon or the Charlie's Angels ladies. The Broadway work didn't go anywhere that she was originating roles in a high-profile new play or anchoring a big revival in something that would have won her a Tony.

While there are still plenty of Waltons fans, she's nowhere near as recognized or beloved as some of the tv ladies from around that same era.

The recent Dahmer show, where she's excellent as usual, reminded people she's still working but didn't result in a nomination despite some campaigning, and there's been no follow up.

R156 I completely agree with you.... and to end up in Living Dolls!

Living Dolls began as a back-door pilot on Who's the Boss? that aired in March 1989. In the backdoor pilot, Vivica A. Fox portrayed Emily and Jonathan Ward portrayed Rick. Executives disliked the original cast, and held auditions for recasting when the pilot was picked up to series in May.[2] Halle Berry replaced Fox in the series, while David Moscow was cast to replace Ward. The backdoor pilot was reaired in September as an episode of Living Dolls.[3]

In a later interview, Michael Learned recalled writers were inconsistent in writing her character, saying "I was told that she was supposed to be... kind of a tough cookie, and so that's what I understood was what they wanted in my character, when in truth what they wanted was Charlotte Rae in Facts of Life.[4] Learned also felt that producers were planning to replace her with Marion Ross, who guest starred in the final two episodes.[4] During the filming of one episode, Berry collapsed on the set and went into a coma; she was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes shortly thereafter.[4][5]

Upon its debut, the series was panned by critics and received mostly negative reviews.[2] It was the only series to receive an "F" grade by People magazine in its 1989 fall preview issue.[6] Learned later criticized producers for underutilizing Berry.[4] ABC canceled the series after 12 episodes in December 1989.[7]

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I watched parts of Miss Learned's Television Academy interview. She said she actually had to audition for Living Dolls.

And then they wrote her out of two episodes and brought in Marion Ross!

The indignity!

To be fair, a lot of people probably had her confused with Karen Grassle...

Poor Michael Learned...she's probably the only actress ALW didn't offer to take the role of 'Norma Desmond' when Buckley was leaving 'Sunset Boulevard' in 1996. She must've been devastated.