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THEATRE GOSSIP #600 - We're Still Here!!

We've been through Helen Hayes, Marge Champion and Mary Martin - and my dear, we're still here

We careered from Follies to....Follies, to....Follies! And talked until we almost died of boredom and repetition.....but we're here!

We've gone from Barbra to Beanie to Lea and it's clear.....Beanie can't sing.....

We flew with Cheno and Erivo and Idina Menzel.....they landed on Charlotte St. Martin and raised some hell....

What's a hit? What's a flop? Need to hear some nonsense? Ask mlop.....

We've all swooned over Steve Kazee and Roger Bart, Andy Karl made me melt.....but Jesse Williams had them all beat below the belt! Yes, we're all queer.

600 threads for us to unspool, while Stritchie's STILL stinko by her pool.

We've been through Merman and Angie, Bette and Tyne, Mama's a tough one but Bernie was fine. Imelda was something, some say Audra slayed, but for Patti Lu it was....a beautiful day!

Oh well....I tried, dolls. Happy 600th THEATRE GOSSIP thread!

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by Anonymousreply 184September 5, 2025 10:47 PM

Continued from prior thread (please finish discussion there first)

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by Anonymousreply 1September 2, 2025 11:53 PM

Bravo OP, bravo. You put in A LOT more effort at the start of a thread than many, many others.

Now, does anyone have an opinion on Jane Krakowski playing Mary Todd Lincoln in "Oh, Mary!"? It's no "Rural Juror," but a girl's gotta work right?

by Anonymousreply 2September 2, 2025 11:57 PM

Does thread #600 mean the topic will be forever closed when you finish this thread fills up?

Just like reply #600 is always the end of a thread.

by Anonymousreply 3September 2, 2025 11:58 PM

R3 No, theater threads, like old theater queens, will never die.

by Anonymousreply 4September 3, 2025 12:04 AM

Great stuff, OP. Better than what I'd have done. I almost created "The 'Billy Porter in Hiding' Edition."

by Anonymousreply 5September 3, 2025 12:31 AM

An interesting piece of lore was when Cynthia Nixon’s messages were hacked a few years ago and she messaged someone that she couldn’t do a charity event with Jane Krakowski because they didn’t like each other

I don’t think Laura Benanti is a big fan either.

by Anonymousreply 6September 3, 2025 12:37 AM

[quote] I almost created "The 'Billy Porter in Hiding' Edition."

SHE'S IN THE ATTIC!

by Anonymousreply 7September 3, 2025 12:47 AM

Congrats, OP. Very well done. That's the kind of cleverness we used to have with the theatre gossip OPs all the time.

by Anonymousreply 8September 3, 2025 1:01 AM

I made it through Brendan Fraser and I'm here...

by Anonymousreply 9September 3, 2025 3:39 AM

Guest of the WPA.

by Anonymousreply 10September 3, 2025 4:19 AM

I made it through Cynthia and Richard M. Nixon ... gee that was fun-and-half!

by Anonymousreply 11September 3, 2025 4:26 AM

"I made it through Porkalob in 1776...well, 75% and I'm still here..."

by Anonymousreply 12September 3, 2025 6:14 AM

Nice work OP! Much appreciated.

by Anonymousreply 13September 3, 2025 7:01 AM

Thank you, OP.

Here’s to the next 600 threads!

*mwah*

by Anonymousreply 14September 3, 2025 7:20 AM

Yes, well done, OP. A salute to our fave show and our fave genius to mark this milestone.

by Anonymousreply 15September 3, 2025 7:52 AM

#599 isn't actually finished...

by Anonymousreply 16September 3, 2025 7:57 AM

I think she might be terrific, R2. My dream casting for the part is Melissa McCarthy.

by Anonymousreply 17September 3, 2025 10:48 AM

I wanna hear more about Cynthia Nixon's hacked phone and her dislike of Jane Krakowski! We can't just let pass by without more comments.

by Anonymousreply 18September 3, 2025 11:50 AM

I'm hearing that new opera of Kavalier & Klay at the Met is in big trouble and they had to schedule an extra day of tech rehearsals which costs a fortune and never happens at the Met.

by Anonymousreply 19September 3, 2025 11:51 AM

Damn, morale at the Met must be in the toilet, with R19's news on top of the news about the fraudulent donor who killed himself. Not to mention all the other things that are wrong with the Met under that idiot Peter Gelb.

by Anonymousreply 20September 3, 2025 12:10 PM

Carrying this over from the last thread, as I don't think anyone will mind, here is a photo feature on the cabaret show that George Krissa did in NYC in 2023 :-)

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by Anonymousreply 21September 3, 2025 12:12 PM

[quote]I think you're thinking of "The Raytown Pepper Pot Players" type of community theater....which doesn't really exist anymore if ever.

I guess this explains why Leslie LeMoyne is on OnlyFans.

by Anonymousreply 22September 3, 2025 1:32 PM

The MET is in trouble because opera, as an art form, is in trouble.

Opera always ran with a hubris that audiences will come no matter what. Now, the average age is in the 90’s. The behemoth MET is half filled most nights no matter what they show. No opera singer in the last 20 years is known to the general public.

Opera, it was nice to know you

by Anonymousreply 23September 3, 2025 1:37 PM

Does Melissa McCarthy have a stage background? Would she be up for 8 performances a week for a fraction of her movie salary?

by Anonymousreply 24September 3, 2025 1:37 PM

I gave in and I'm going to see STRANGER THINGS. (For the stagecraft and effects)

What to expect aside from poor audience behavior in a dreadful Broadway house?

by Anonymousreply 25September 3, 2025 1:42 PM

I’m going to Stranger Things too—taking my two nieces who love the Tv show.

I know it will be awful but whatever

by Anonymousreply 26September 3, 2025 1:52 PM

All of that is partly true, R23, but you exaggerate. The Met is NOT half empty when they do a production people want to see of an opera they want to hear, like the Zeffirelli BOHEME and TURANDOT.

by Anonymousreply 27September 3, 2025 1:52 PM

George will “inch” his way on to OnlyFans…

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by Anonymousreply 28September 3, 2025 1:57 PM

ALERT! Mole alert!

by Anonymousreply 29September 3, 2025 1:58 PM

I love you R12! Wanted to work a Porkablob joke into the intro but didn't quite land it.

(Wanted to work Karen Ziemba in there too. Sorry kids!)

by Anonymousreply 30September 3, 2025 2:06 PM

Did someone say George Krissa?

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by Anonymousreply 31September 3, 2025 2:09 PM

That image was already posted in the last thread, R31. But I'm sure no one minds seeing it again :-)

by Anonymousreply 32September 3, 2025 2:10 PM

Sarah Hyland Joining Just in Time as Connie Francis.

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by Anonymousreply 33September 3, 2025 2:10 PM

Oh the Met is in much bigger trouble than that R20. Attendance for Live in HD is pathetic, barely 200,000 tickets sold last season, not justifying its cost. Gelb is in his umpteenth union negotiation with the chorus and orchestra, and it’s not going well. Kavalier and Klay, a tuneless nothing that is costing a fortune and will never be performed again is just the tip of iceberg. Gelb has stayed too long at the fair, and it’s past time for him to go.

by Anonymousreply 34September 3, 2025 2:24 PM

Gelb is terrible but I doubt anyone else could do better. No one is going to opera

by Anonymousreply 35September 3, 2025 2:31 PM

No, even the Boheme and Turandot don’t bring them in like they used to R27. Unlike the stalwart Nutcracker at NYCB which can bring in the company’s entire yearly revenue in a couple of months during the holidays, the Met has nothing like that. The Met is drawing too rapidly on its ever shrinking endowment, and the coffers aren’t being refilled. But the company is being run by somebody who thought at the beginning of his term that he could fire every soprano in the house and hire Broadway singers like Audra and Kristen for standard rep pieces. So, it’s no surprise this is where it’s all been headed.

by Anonymousreply 36September 3, 2025 2:32 PM

[quote]George will “inch” his way on to OnlyFans…

He's Canadian, so I think he would have to "centimetre" his way ...

by Anonymousreply 37September 3, 2025 2:33 PM

R28 We have allowed ourselves to slip

We have completely lost our grip

We have declined to an all-time low

Tarts have become the set to know

by Anonymousreply 38September 3, 2025 2:35 PM

It's interesting that with all of the names floated for OH, MARY! Jane Krakowski wasn't one of them. So much for "insiders"...

by Anonymousreply 39September 3, 2025 2:41 PM

Was Billy Porter ever mentioned for OH, MARY ?

by Anonymousreply 40September 3, 2025 3:24 PM

The Met, which has withdrawn $120 million from its endowment since the pandemic, reached a lucrative deal to perform in Saudi Arabia for three weeks each winter.

NYTimes article

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by Anonymousreply 41September 3, 2025 3:32 PM

George Krissa for Fiyero. SOON!

by Anonymousreply 42September 3, 2025 3:42 PM

R18 this is a link for twitter / x where it is discussed. If you google it it pops up too.

Cynthia says in her message something unpleasant happened between them and she didn’t feel comfortable asking her to help with a political situation

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by Anonymousreply 43September 3, 2025 4:26 PM

Team Jane.

by Anonymousreply 44September 3, 2025 4:29 PM

Gelb was hailed as a Wonder Boy when first hired. He definitely fired on all cylinders for a number of years, but I think he lost his way before COVID and has never regained footing. It's time for him to go, but can anyone here suggest a new hire?

And opera may be on life-support in the US of A (where it's always been very niche), but its health is netter elsewhere... like Europe (not robust healthy, but not on life support either).

by Anonymousreply 45September 3, 2025 4:36 PM

[quote]Gelb was hailed as a Wonder Boy when first hired. He definitely fired on all cylinders for a number of years,

Why do you say that? From the start, he began bringing in horrible new productions and directors like Bartlett Sher and Michael Mayer, whose careers in the theater have been spotty enough that no one needed to grab them up to do opera.

by Anonymousreply 46September 3, 2025 4:45 PM

R46... what you describe as "horrible new productions" and directors like... " were seen as infusing new blood into the opera scene. If they didn't work out, well at least he was trying something new.

But he did shepherd The Met in HD to theaters and it was a cash cow when it started. It brought opera (and The Met operas!) to the nation and the world on select Saturdays. It was a very big deal - but it started in 2006 and the world has changed mightily since.

Gelb has stayed too long, so again I ask, who is there in the wings waiting (and capable) of replacing him?

by Anonymousreply 47September 3, 2025 4:58 PM

Where's Ed Sullivan when you need him?

by Anonymousreply 48September 3, 2025 5:14 PM

So still no report on the Ava Gardner play with Elizabeth McGovern? Is business good, I wonder? Is the “Downtown” audience, which is gearing up for the grand farewell movie later this month, going to see Liz live? The demographic must be old(ish).

by Anonymousreply 49September 3, 2025 5:26 PM

*Downton*

by Anonymousreply 50September 3, 2025 5:38 PM

[Quote] Was Billy Porter ever mentioned for OH, MARY ?

That’s actually genius casting

by Anonymousreply 51September 3, 2025 5:51 PM

Another forum is saying that producers are looking for Porter's replacement to close out the final weeks (their source is employees of ATG, if true). Supposedly, with him missing so many consecutive performances, it will be easy to terminate him with no 'pay out'.

I betch once this fiasco is over, Porter will sing like a canary to anyone with a microphone in his face and tell the world how he was mistreated from the first day he stepped up on the stage. No doubt, he will go for : race, sexuality and age.

by Anonymousreply 52September 3, 2025 6:05 PM

R51-Only if they're looking to close early.

by Anonymousreply 53September 3, 2025 6:17 PM

I would think Ballet is on life support as well.

by Anonymousreply 54September 3, 2025 6:19 PM

Gelb is a self-important idiot. How he keeps his job after being bamboozled by a fraudster to the tune of 15 million bucks is beyond me. Tickets for the Met operas are being sold on TDF and Today Tix. And shit directors are being brought in to "rejuvenate" classics, only making them worse and turning off subscribers. I can see ALW's group buying the Met and making Phantom a permanent fixture in there.

by Anonymousreply 55September 3, 2025 6:37 PM

While Ballet is slowly dying too, every young girl goes through the “I want to be ballerina” stage. That keeps a stream of families coming.

by Anonymousreply 56September 3, 2025 6:45 PM

I remember when the cast of Nine was having a press call and everyone was asked to wear black. Jane showed up wearing red. Allegedly, she made a play for Antonio but Melanie Griffith stepped in and gave Jane a stern warning calling her a cunt in the process. I miss those old gossipy days.

by Anonymousreply 57September 3, 2025 6:54 PM

For anyone who wants to see Sherie and not Cheno....

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by Anonymousreply 58September 3, 2025 7:06 PM

Now that's the kind of Theatre Gossip we come here for, r57!

THank you.

by Anonymousreply 59September 3, 2025 8:35 PM

I want better gossip, dammit ! Not this Jane vs. Melanie.

Take me back to the Linda Evans vs. Joan Collins fights while they were touring with 'Legends!' That's the good gossip straight from Collins' mouth.

by Anonymousreply 60September 3, 2025 8:42 PM

Has LEGENDS ever been produced in NYC. It would make a great one night only reading.

by Anonymousreply 61September 3, 2025 8:50 PM

Starring Patti and Audra

Starring Patti and Kecia

Starring Patti and Bernadette

Starring Patti and Glenn

Staring Patti and Sherie Renee

Starring Patti and Terri

Starring Patti and Faith

Starring Patti and Kevin Kline

by Anonymousreply 62September 3, 2025 8:54 PM

The Met can sell tickets when they actually get good singers performing great scores. SALOME with Elza van den Heever managed to sell out several performances, as did ROMEO AND JULIET with Nadine Sierra. Even DIE FRAU OHNE SCHATTEN, an opera only for hardcore enthusiasts, managed solid sales thanks to an A-list cast and a gorgeous production.

For whatever reason Gelb and the board seem allergic to this model, and insist on programming hideous and expensive modern operas like GROUNDED or the upcoming KAVALIER & CLAY. Nobody wants to see these productions, but they reliably are programmed every year, in some weird attempt to compete with European operas. There seems to be no desire to change, given that Gelb's contract has been renewed through 2030. But at least they get the chance to perform in beautiful Saudi Arabia!

by Anonymousreply 63September 3, 2025 9:01 PM

R62 I'm peeing my pants laughing! I want to see 'Legends' with Patti and Glenn ! Brilliant !

R61 Never. Both times it died on the road. First time was the 1986-87 tour with Mary Martin and Carol Channing. According tot he playwright James Kirkwood, Jr, the two stars did not get along as well as he was hoping. No kidding ?

Then in 2006-07, Collins and her husband brought it back to life and asked Evans to co-star. Evans was hesitant, but Collins convinced her they'd have a great run across the US with all their 'Dynasty' fans and then premiere on B'way. Evans was convinced Collins had a good idea, and joined. Collins later said Evans was 'no stage actress', didn't know how to play to a live audience (she was robotic), and injured Collins many times in some of the 'pratfalls' which take place on stage. Collins hated the experience and was glad when the tour got canceled. According to her memoir at the time (2013?), she hadn't spoken to Evans since the show wrapped.

by Anonymousreply 64September 3, 2025 9:06 PM

R52, Billy Porter hasn't sung like a canary for years now. ;-)

R63, whatever one thinks of the new operas that Gelb has chosen for the Met to do, it's hardly "weird" -- the art form, like any other, needs new works to survive meaningfully.

by Anonymousreply 65September 3, 2025 9:23 PM

Ballet survives because little girls have ballet dreams...it's either ballet or horses. And, the little bunheads grow up to be moms who introduce THEIR little girls to ballet so there's a constant replenishment of fresh meat.

Sadly, that doesn't work for opera....no one goes to the opera and leaves thinking, "oh! I can do that!"

Opera survives in Europe because the arts get funding from the state in many countries.

by Anonymousreply 66September 3, 2025 9:51 PM

Billy Porter seems determined to make himself unemployable.

Even a big ham like Cole Escola is smart enough to not hire an even bigger ego'd ham than himself.

I just pray Oh Mary doesn't stoop to hiring Bob the Drag Queen.

by Anonymousreply 67September 3, 2025 9:53 PM

Well, Gelb was kind of on the ropes about five minutes ago, but he just sealed his tenure for as long as he wants with this announcement. It’s been rumored for about a year now but no one thought he’d go through with it. He just saved the company’s ass for a few more years at least.

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by Anonymousreply 68September 3, 2025 9:58 PM

I ain't goin' to no Saudi Arabia!!!

by Anonymousreply 69September 3, 2025 10:16 PM

I loved K&C as a novel. But an opera? No.

by Anonymousreply 70September 3, 2025 10:44 PM

Saudi My Labia

by Anonymousreply 71September 3, 2025 11:39 PM

The Met can take $100M of Saudi money but yet I'm a problem.

by Anonymousreply 72September 3, 2025 11:42 PM

[quote] Has LEGENDS ever been produced in NYC. It would make a great one night only reading.

Charles Busch and Lypsinka did a staged reading of at Town Hall in 2009. It was a big yawn.

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by Anonymousreply 73September 4, 2025 12:13 AM

I hear the opera of K&C ends with the end of WWII. Unbelievable. There's so much more to the brilliant book than that.

by Anonymousreply 74September 4, 2025 12:48 AM

And Whoopi Goldberg didn't even show up when the night came, R73.

by Anonymousreply 75September 4, 2025 2:24 AM

Yes, R73 and Whoopi was a no-show. Also, they re-wrote parts of the play that took it to full camp to fit the talent at hand.

R49 The Ava play is not a masterpiece but it is certainly plenty good enough to please many people who remember her heyday. If you would go in the first place, you'll be glad you did. It was full at the performance I attended.

McGovern is playwright and one of the two performers. The show has production value, and it has been smartly designed to be a one-truck, small, package touring product. Good for her for making work for herself. It's a rental, not an MTC show, though it's in their space.

The play could still be 5-7 minutes shorter, and it switches back and forth in time a lot. It helps to know all the characters in her stories, it might not always be clear who the guy is playing if you don't know exactly. McGovern has a lovely presence and a stageworthy spark, and she's giving a detailed and praise-worthy performance that isn't a slavish imitation, yet you always believe she's Ava. The actor opposite her is excellent too. Moritz V.S. directed, and that was money well spent. The show is tastefully done all around, it looks good, it moves and feels as modern as any play about a past time in most of the audience's shared memory is ever going to, and it has an intelligent concept, if no profound takeaway or heretofore unknown revelation. There are newspaper clippings, still photos, and bits from trailers (because of copyright law) of her films projected onto the walls to transition between scenes, as scenic dissolves, etc.

To her great credit, she manages most of the time to keep the play from being a book report disguised as playwriting. It doesn't even name check the majority of AG's films, it's not a collection of tales from the set. It has a construct from real life, a ghostwriter for her autobiography who didn't work out, they argue and go back and forth as he tries to get her to disclose more about her past while she talks about her very different, non-acting life in London. It's the story of both of them.

It gets AG from the sticks to Hollywood, then cycles through her husbands (Artie Shaw, Mickey Rooney, Frank Sinatra) and other relationships (Howard Hughes).

AG's autobiography ended up being written with someone else, but this first ghostwriter published this book of "secret conversations" that is the basis for this play, with authorization from her estate. It makes you want to track down the book and read more about Ava, watch her movies. She made more classics, or at least well-received films that people still watch and talk about, than I had remembered.

The only true fumble, and it's clearly a choice: it needs an old-school sound + lights/projections button on the end to let the audience know without a doubt the show is over. There was a half beat in the dark of the audience collectively thinking "is that the end?" but it immediately got back on track once the lights were up and the curtain call applause started.

by Anonymousreply 76September 4, 2025 2:26 AM

The real reason Legends has never made it to Broadway is that the play is so poorly written

I expected much better from James Kirkwood

by Anonymousreply 77September 4, 2025 2:44 AM

Correct, R77. Even with two juicy star roles and a small cast, it didn't even become a staple in stock or dinner theatre. It's never gotten the raves Kirkwood seems to think it warrants in Diary of a Mad Playwright, no matter who is in it.

Though I do love his Annie Miller quote when they're talking about recasting the Martin role, "What you need is a couple of c*n*s on that stage, and with me and Carol, you'd have a couple!"

by Anonymousreply 78September 4, 2025 3:02 AM

Someone should adapt Diary of a Mad Playwright. It's better than Legends.

by Anonymousreply 79September 4, 2025 3:02 AM

Audra discusses her Broadway career— so elegant and eloquent!

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by Anonymousreply 80September 4, 2025 3:05 AM

[quote]Has LEGENDS ever been produced in NYC. It would make a great one night only reading. ' The word "great" and "Legends" will never appear in the same sentence together, other than this one. I've seen every production of it there was to see, including the original with Carol Channing and Mary Martin, which I reviewed on press night and Boston, and the awful tour with Joan Collins and Linda Evans. I also saw a production in D.C. with Lypsinka in the Mary Martin role. Confidentially, it stinks.

by Anonymousreply 81September 4, 2025 3:10 AM

[quote]Has LEGENDS ever been produced in NYC. It would make a great one night only reading.

The word "great" and "Legends" will never appear in the same sentence together, other than this one. I've seen every production of it there was to see, including the original with Carol Channing and Mary Martin, which I reviewed on press night and Boston, and the awful tour with Joan Collins and Linda Evans. I also saw a production in D.C. with Lypsinka in the Mary Martin role. Confidentially, it stinks.

by Anonymousreply 82September 4, 2025 3:12 AM

God forbid anyone tries to make into a musical.

by Anonymousreply 83September 4, 2025 3:26 AM

It was at one time announced that Bette Midler was very interested in making a film based on "Diary of a Mad Playwright," which would, of course, have included scenes from the play.

by Anonymousreply 84September 4, 2025 3:42 AM

Kirkwood was a hack. He got lucky with ACL but everywhere else, his work was mediocre at best.

by Anonymousreply 85September 4, 2025 3:46 AM

An adaptation of DIARY OF A MAD PLAYWRIGHT seems like a natural for Ryan Murphy's stable.

by Anonymousreply 86September 4, 2025 3:48 AM

Setting aside the massive cultural differences of the western classical music scene and Saudi Arabia (I guarantee that 99.999% of their population has never heard an “opera” before, and would one of their women even be allowed to sing in a performance about a literal whore written by one of opera’s most famous composers??) and also the fact that they use an entirely different musical scale than the west and do not have anything close to a western sound -we can’t even currently train our own singers to sing opera properly, how to do it with a vocal apparatus that doesn’t physically hear western music- there is, of course, the massive ethical and moral implications of a move like this. It genuinely boggles the mind. The Met has to be in truly desperate financial straits for the board to accept something like this. In the home of 9/11 no less.

Surely, these conversations have happened between the board, lawyers, and Gelb, and the situation must be so terrible financially that they were willing to accept whatever PR nightmare is coming their way, or that they would be able to weather the storm like golf was and the potential money coming in was too important. I’d heard these rumors for months but brushed it off as I thought surely no one leading an American arts organization would be so foolhardy, especially one that leans into its moral high horse by not hiring artists from a rogue state, and yet here we are.

Classical music of course has a several hundred year history of teaming up with ethically and morally compromised rich people. It’s how we survive when other arts forms collapse and disappear, but I wonder is this too far. Will this even amount to a blip on the radar? I see no reporting on this. The Times has completely conceded this story, which even two years ago would have been headline news. Is the Met counting on zero coverage since no one cares about opera? Are members of the company going to be allowed to bow out during the tours since it’s genuinely dangerous for its gay employees? I’m just kind of gobsmacked by this whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 87September 4, 2025 12:14 PM

It's abundantly clear reading Kirkwood's book about making LEGENDS that the biggest problem was Kirkwood's lousy script.

When I was a teenager I adored his early novel GOOD TIMES/BAD TIMES with its faux gay plot about two boys and their headmaster at a boarding school.

by Anonymousreply 88September 4, 2025 12:35 PM

Diary of a Mad playwright could be a fun miniseries…however…someone playing Carol Channing for 6 episodes would be grating.

I think it would better served if the actresses weren’t Mary Martin and Carol Channing, but rather “made up” actresses.

by Anonymousreply 89September 4, 2025 12:46 PM

R87 All valid points. Although I would say this situation is not too dissimilar from the current relationship the Women's Tennis Association has with the Saudis, who basically fund the entire tour now after it was in financial distress. Obviously having such a country underwrite and showcase the premier women's sport - especially one that for 50 years has been heralded as a lodestar for modern feminism - raised its own share of moral and ethical concerns. However, so far under the Saudis, they've been able to roll out a groundbreaking maternity fund for its players and host events without compromise. Still not sure all this will end well, but its in keeping with the larger trend of Saudi Arabia opening itself up to western cultural influence and their major investments in becoming a global tourist destination.

by Anonymousreply 90September 4, 2025 12:49 PM

Money over everything in America always, R90.

by Anonymousreply 91September 4, 2025 1:02 PM

The section of OP’s tirade could have been written about Japan…it worked out well.

by Anonymousreply 92September 4, 2025 1:18 PM

I once heard that there was a time when LEGENDS folk were thinking of a replacement for Martin when she was starting to decline. In a conversation that tool place in Channing's dressing room, someone suggested Ann Miller. Channing, applying gobs of makeup at her dressing table, turned to the room and said. "An Miller?? Isn't she a little cartoonish?"

by Anonymousreply 93September 4, 2025 1:42 PM

In DIARY OF A MAD PLAYWRIGHT, Kirkwood writes that Channing more than once suggested Julie Andrews as a replacement for Mary Martin. Of course, if Julie had been into returning to the stage at that time and had said yes, the show would probably have been a phenomenal hit despite the fact that the script is shite. But 'twas not to be.

When I first read LEGENDS years ago, AFTER reading DIARY OF A MAD PLAYWRIGHT, I was shocked at how incredibly bad the script is and how blind Kirkwood was to that fact. Sometimes it's amazing, the degree to which people can delude themselves.

by Anonymousreply 94September 4, 2025 1:56 PM

I love how data loungers still think "stock and dinner theaters" are a thing, like they were in the 50s and 60s. There is no "stock" any more (Stock meaning touring summer theaters) only regional theaters that produce stand alone. I think there's like 2 dinner theaters left in the U.S. -- The Marriott, Beef & Boards, and maybe another. And at The Marriott you don't eat in the theater. So the frequently written "It will be great in stock and dinner theaters" is sadly misbegotten.

by Anonymousreply 95September 4, 2025 2:11 PM

[quote]Stock meaning touring summer theaters

No, that's NOT what stock means. And there's nothing more annoying that someone trying to "school" other people with wrong information.

by Anonymousreply 96September 4, 2025 2:14 PM

Is there a moon for these misbegotten DLers?

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by Anonymousreply 97September 4, 2025 2:14 PM

I’ve never gone to a dinner theatre. Am I missing much?

by Anonymousreply 98September 4, 2025 2:26 PM

The Saudis want to show they are westernizing and modernizing. The MET needs lots of money.

It’s that simple

by Anonymousreply 99September 4, 2025 2:27 PM

It’s a drop in the bucket…

by Anonymousreply 100September 4, 2025 2:30 PM

I've been through Shirley Hemphill...and I'm here!

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by Anonymousreply 101September 4, 2025 2:37 PM

R97. Wow. Thank you for posting that.

by Anonymousreply 102September 4, 2025 2:51 PM

[quote]The Saudis want to show they are westernizing and modernizing.

But is their westernizing and modernizing going to include better treatment of women and gay people, etc.? We shall see, but I rather doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 103September 4, 2025 2:52 PM

R103 I’m pretty sure we are still thrown off buildings but at least we get to see Aida one last time before it happens!

by Anonymousreply 104September 4, 2025 2:54 PM

R102 it’s brilliant..except for Ed Flanders’ make up

by Anonymousreply 105September 4, 2025 3:13 PM

[quote] I think there's like 2 dinner theaters left in the U.S.

Nope

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by Anonymousreply 106September 4, 2025 3:21 PM

I think there's like 2 dinner theaters left in the U.S.

Nope again.

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by Anonymousreply 107September 4, 2025 3:22 PM

The Cole Escola haters have to be the most pathetic subset of this site

by Anonymousreply 108September 4, 2025 3:45 PM

More than 2. Roger Rocka's in Fresno where I saw a teenage Audra McDonald play Dorothy in The Wiz. I was staying at my relatives' house for the week and when I returned, Ala Mama Rose, I announced "that child is going to be a star."

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by Anonymousreply 109September 4, 2025 4:08 PM

The great Ed Flanders, who dropped out of "Faith Healer" with James Mason and Clarissa Kaye, because he "didn't want to share the stage with a circus clown" (Kaye).

by Anonymousreply 110September 4, 2025 4:10 PM

In case anyone is interested, here is Legends. It was taped before Roxie Roker (yes that Roxie Roker) took over the part of the maid. In Diary, Kirkwood said that there were three women who interviewed for the replacement part in LA, Mabel King of The Wiz and What Happening and Virginia Capers who took the Tony for Raisin over Channing in Lorelei. There was another woman whom Kirkland said was very bad that was later reported to be LaWanda Page, Aunt Esther from Sanford and Son. How they ended up with Roker is anyone's guess.

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by Anonymousreply 111September 4, 2025 4:13 PM

Amazing that ABC showed that theatrical production of Moon for the Misbegotten.

I don't think we even get anything like that on PBS these days. And Ovation - which was designed for that type of content - has, I believe, disappeared ages ago.

by Anonymousreply 112September 4, 2025 4:21 PM

R112, there was a ton of wonderful stuff like that on TV back in the day, even on the major networks. And some more recent, as well, though not nearly as much.

by Anonymousreply 113September 4, 2025 4:44 PM

I remember seeing bits of the Our Town on TV with Sada Thompson, Barbara Bel Geddes, etc.

by Anonymousreply 114September 4, 2025 4:45 PM

Yes, R114, and Robby Benson! And then there was the more recent one with Spalding Gray and Eric Stoltz.

by Anonymousreply 115September 4, 2025 4:47 PM

One of my favorite things was a PBS taping of Paradise Lost with Jo Van Fleet and DL fave, Bernadette Peters

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by Anonymousreply 116September 4, 2025 4:49 PM

R112 that tv version was nominate for multiple Emmys. Ed Flanders won as best supporting actor.

The Broadway version from a year before won Tony’s for both Ed and for Colleen Dewhurst as best lead actress.

by Anonymousreply 117September 4, 2025 4:50 PM

1977 version of Our Town with Robbie and Glynnis in the lead. . Sada and Barbara included.

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by Anonymousreply 118September 4, 2025 4:53 PM

I'm watching Prisoner of Second Avenue on TCM and F Murray Abraham just popped up in a small role as a cab driver. A few years later he won an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 119September 4, 2025 4:56 PM

1989 version of Our Town with Eric and Penelope Ann Miller. Frances Conroy, too! It won the Tony for Best Revival of a Play.

Penelope was heartbreaking in Emily’s big scene.

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by Anonymousreply 120September 4, 2025 4:58 PM

Tonys*

by Anonymousreply 121September 4, 2025 4:58 PM

R119 fruit of the loom!

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by Anonymousreply 122September 4, 2025 5:00 PM

TV appearances troll: could you please include Drew Barrymore, her show comes back with new episodes next week and that's the only one I watch from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 123September 4, 2025 8:10 PM

No. Go do your own frau research —Ja?!

by Anonymousreply 124September 4, 2025 8:23 PM

I do check the daytime talk show listings. Drew doesn't get too many Broadway guests. Neither does Jennifer Hudson, but her show's in L.A.

by Anonymousreply 125September 4, 2025 9:46 PM

There’s a reason Robards won back-to-back Oscars …doing his “side gig” in movies.

An actor’s actor.

by Anonymousreply 126September 4, 2025 9:57 PM

His first Oscar

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by Anonymousreply 127September 4, 2025 10:05 PM

Same time next year…another Oscar

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by Anonymousreply 128September 4, 2025 10:07 PM

Was that Shelley Winters sitting behind Jason?

by Anonymousreply 129September 4, 2025 10:16 PM

no r129

by Anonymousreply 130September 4, 2025 10:19 PM

Was it Eve Arden??

by Anonymousreply 131September 4, 2025 10:21 PM

I think it was Judy Holliday, r131.

by Anonymousreply 132September 4, 2025 10:39 PM

[quote]I’ve never gone to a dinner theatre. Am I missing much?

Mediocre acting and cafeteria food, but you've missed your chance to not miss much.

by Anonymousreply 133September 4, 2025 10:41 PM

[quote]Gelb was hailed as a Wonder Boy when first hired. He definitely fired on all cylinders for a number of years, but I think he lost his way before COVID and has never regained footing. It's time for him to go, but can anyone here suggest a new hire?

I think Lavarious Slaughter is available.

by Anonymousreply 134September 4, 2025 10:44 PM

Only dinner theater I can remember attending was way back in 1974 (or thereabouts) somewhere in central Connecticut. It was a production of APPLAUSE starring Dorothy Collins as Margo Channing, completely miscast but totally charming. There were virtually no sets on the tiny stage except for one or maybe two A-frame ladders on wheels that the game cast would move into different positions to create....I don't remember what....

I must look for the program to see who might have co-starred.

by Anonymousreply 135September 5, 2025 12:22 AM

That would be the former Coachlight Dinner Theater in East Windsor, CT. It was demolished in the late 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 136September 5, 2025 12:39 AM

Yes, you're right, r136! I'd forgotten the name of the theater.

Were those A-frame ladders in every show?

by Anonymousreply 137September 5, 2025 12:43 AM

Here's info from Dot Collins in Applause. Dick Latessa was Buzz!

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by Anonymousreply 138September 5, 2025 1:08 AM

In New England in the 60s and 70s we had a chain of dinner-theaters called 'The Chateau De Ville'. One opened in RI in the early 70s, and the musical they opened with for the 'grand opening' was 'Funny Girl'. The dinner theater concept soon died, and it became an elaborate disco / nightclub by the mid 70s. Then it was the place for proms and weddings. Then it was no more by the 90s.

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by Anonymousreply 139September 5, 2025 1:58 AM

Either the dinner or the theatre is going to suck. It's hard to get them both right.

by Anonymousreply 140September 5, 2025 2:04 AM

There is a dinner theatre in Indianapolis where both the food and the shows suck.

by Anonymousreply 141September 5, 2025 2:14 AM

The Candlelight Dinner Theatre in Chicago was a staple when I was growing up. I remember seeing the "other" Phantom of The Opera musical there (The Maury Yeston one) and thinking it was better than the Lloyd Webber. Also, I think "Do Black Patent Leather Shoes..." ran there forever.

by Anonymousreply 142September 5, 2025 2:14 AM

Why is everything Susan Stroman touching lately bombing: SMASH; NEW YORK, NEW YORK, a whole lot more. What happened to Broadway's former golden girl?

by Anonymousreply 143September 5, 2025 2:30 AM

Drury Lane is sort of a dinner theater but I suppose not technically as the dining area is in a separate room.....I think?

by Anonymousreply 144September 5, 2025 2:33 AM

[quote]The Candlelight Dinner Theatre in Chicago was a staple when I was growing up.

I saw FOLLIES there, r142.

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by Anonymousreply 145September 5, 2025 2:37 AM

The Alhambra, one of the places Betty Grable did Born Yesterday, still exists in Jacksonville, FL. Don't think they get stars anymore though.

It's not on this National Dinner Theatres of America list, nor is the New Theatre in Overland Park, KS that still gets headliners in most shows, with often interesting casting. Barry Williams is about to do Alone Together there.

Also the Barn Dinner Theatre in Greensboro, NC is still hanging on with a balance of comedies, musicals, and concerts. The buffet used to sit on a wagon wheel center stage.

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by Anonymousreply 146September 5, 2025 2:44 AM

Lately, R143? Contact and The Producers were a long time ago. The fact that she had to direct something as insignificant as Left on Tenth is dire.

by Anonymousreply 147September 5, 2025 2:47 AM

The Burt Reynolds Dinner Theater in Jupiter, Florida, which existed from 1979 to 1996, featured a lot of celebrity performers like Martin Sheen, Tyne Daly, Sally Field, Sarah Jessica Parker, Carol Burnett, Farrah Fawcett, Eartha Kitt, etc.

by Anonymousreply 148September 5, 2025 2:47 AM

Christ, R148. All these years I thought that was just a Golden Girls joke.

by Anonymousreply 149September 5, 2025 3:03 AM

This is fun....

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by Anonymousreply 150September 5, 2025 3:08 AM

Stro's luck ran out a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 151September 5, 2025 3:35 AM

R143, Stroman has had fourteen flops in a row (including her two Off-Broadway turkeys, “Paradise Found” in London, and “Little Dancer”, which will never materialize.) I think “Scottsboro Boys” contained some of her best work, but you can’t deny it was a huge mistake to move it to Broadway. Lost its entire investment. Why does she continue to stick with that hack David “Tommy” Thompson? His only hit was adapting the book of “Chicago” (all he basically did was cut the poker game scene and a couple of the better jokes).

by Anonymousreply 152September 5, 2025 3:48 AM

R150, I don't think there was one production listed that I wouldn't have loved to see. And not for camp value.

by Anonymousreply 153September 5, 2025 4:55 AM

Chanhassen is still entertaining the Twin Cities after a zillion years!

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by Anonymousreply 154September 5, 2025 5:25 AM

Actor Steve Forrest seen on stage in The Body Beautiful. Eldergays, who had him?

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by Anonymousreply 155September 5, 2025 8:05 AM

Bravo to Barry Williams, still finding ways to act and always being willing to do so live. The man really does want to perform and has kept at it, always at a second-tier level, but none-the-less successful.

Years and years and years ago I read that he was performing in the musical City of Angels and was surprised/impressed; either role (Stone or Stine) was big for dialogue, acting and singing, Later he was performing in Branson, MO and now, years on, he's still at it. Impressive.

by Anonymousreply 156September 5, 2025 10:04 AM

I'm very impressed by the number of new plays Burt did at his theater. Most regional theaters today couldn't survive without popular well-known titles but then they don't have the familiar old stars drawing in the audiences.

by Anonymousreply 157September 5, 2025 11:39 AM

R156 I saw him in COA about 30 years ago when it toured my city (I also saw the original on B'way). He was great in the role - really great singing /dancing from him. While he was in town, he stopped into my store and we chatted for a while. What an incredibly nice guy he was and very appreciative of this fan . I can't believe 'the' Greg Brady was a few feet away from me in the flesh - one of my first boy crushes on TV.

by Anonymousreply 158September 5, 2025 12:10 PM

Just checked online—my library down the street has a copy of “Diary of a Mad Playwright.” I think I might borrow it.

by Anonymousreply 159September 5, 2025 1:24 PM

The last dinner theater production I saw was The Sound of Music somewhere in the Chicago area on the night Richard Nixon resigned (!). Trying to remember: Did the audience eat the entire meal and watch the show? Or watch during dessert? Must have been a nightmare for performers.

by Anonymousreply 160September 5, 2025 1:43 PM

R159, based on numerous mentions here I finally borrowed Diary of a Mad Playwright from my library system, and it was a delightful, perceptive account, at times hilarious and other times sad.

by Anonymousreply 161September 5, 2025 1:49 PM

R160. That was probably the Candlelight, where director Bill Pullinsi often cast his undertalented wife in roles beyond her talent. He once threatened my (then) partner, who was a theatre critic, for writing the wife’s Phyllis in “Follies” was “competent.” They did, from time to time do a good production (their “Man of La Mancha” was excellent, but much of the time their productions were as bland and forgettable as the food. (You were served the meal 30-60 minutes before curtain). As I recall, they would often add an extra intermission to sell drinks.

by Anonymousreply 162September 5, 2025 1:50 PM

For all intents and purposes, Susan Stroman has been very successful as a choreographer but never as a director. And before anyone mentions CONTACT and THE PRODUCERS as major exceptions, the first was basically a program of dance plays with little dialogue (and no singing), and it has long been rumored that the latter was actually directed by Mel Brooks in terms of making the show hilarious. On that one, I imagine Stro did the actual staging and of course the choreo, while Mel did all the other stuff that Stro is no good at.

by Anonymousreply 163September 5, 2025 2:14 PM

J Lo's Spider Woman title song. Meh.

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by Anonymousreply 164September 5, 2025 3:24 PM

RJA posted on Facebook the link to the song and said “tell me what you think”

I think people are chicken to write what they think

by Anonymousreply 165September 5, 2025 3:30 PM

Oh Dear....I can think of 3000 recent MT college graduates who could do better than this...

by Anonymousreply 166September 5, 2025 3:37 PM

The song obviously begs for someone with more vocal charisma, but by J.Lo standards, it's actually not that bad.

by Anonymousreply 167September 5, 2025 5:23 PM

Who is "RJA", R165?

Yes, well said, R167. It's... competent. Nothing overtly wrong, but absolutely NOTHING remotely thrilling, either. Because of what an incredible dancer she was, I think we sometimes overlooked what a great theatre vocalist Chita was, too. She imbued that score with so much more character and, yes, charisma than what J-Lo seems to be able to muster.

by Anonymousreply 168September 5, 2025 5:36 PM

Charisma and JLo don’t know each other.

by Anonymousreply 169September 5, 2025 6:04 PM

Chess may actually be a hit this time. Going the Sunset Blvd route, heavy on provocatively lit and attractiveish people while light on coherence, may be the ticket. The promo videos clearly are inspired by Jamie Lloyd.

by Anonymousreply 170September 5, 2025 6:41 PM

Sunset Blvd. lost $6 million, R170.

I suppose Jamie Lloyd is the new Ivo Van Hove. Hopefully his schtick soon wears out its welcome.

by Anonymousreply 171September 5, 2025 6:46 PM

So ABBA abstract expressionism cum to life?

No, tak.

by Anonymousreply 172September 5, 2025 6:46 PM

There are married couples with children who weren’t alive when Stro had her last hit.

by Anonymousreply 173September 5, 2025 6:49 PM

You having a stroke over there, R172?

by Anonymousreply 174September 5, 2025 6:49 PM

Tack!

You got me there

by Anonymousreply 175September 5, 2025 6:54 PM

[quote]Sunset Blvd. lost $6 million, [R170].

Yes, but Nicole Scherzinger was the only star of that SB revival. She may be American, but she's better-known in the UK, where that production was successful.

Aaron Tveit and Lea Michele have proven themselves to be Broadway stars/box-office attractions.

The two of them have a lot of fans and I think together they will make the show a hit.

by Anonymousreply 176September 5, 2025 6:56 PM

Not trying to be snarky but are there many people (aside from Glee fans?) who buy tickets to a Lea Michelle musical? Maybe Funny Girl proves me wrong?

by Anonymousreply 177September 5, 2025 7:00 PM

[quote] are there many people (aside from Glee fans?) who buy tickets to a Lea Michelle musical?

Tourists.

The Gen X'ers who loved One Night In Bangkok on the radio will probably buy a ticket, too.

by Anonymousreply 178September 5, 2025 7:15 PM

I'm not convinced Lea Michelle will be a big seller outside of Funny Girl. I thought she was absolutely sensational in FG. I'm not hating on her for no reason, but that really was the perfect show for her and the timing with her swooping in to save the day made for unusually high levels of press coverage for a Broadway show. Don't see that kind of hype coming for silly old Chess. But, yes, it obviously has more than just her above the title, so maybe it will be a big hit.

by Anonymousreply 179September 5, 2025 7:20 PM

If Chess succeeds—she gets credit. If it fails, it’s not her fault.

That’s a good Bway gig!

by Anonymousreply 180September 5, 2025 7:26 PM

My 60 year old frau friend bought a ticket to Chess the day they went on sale because she's always loved the score and has never seen it on stage.

by Anonymousreply 181September 5, 2025 8:19 PM

Lea Michelle is a meskite.

by Anonymousreply 182September 5, 2025 10:10 PM

[quote]Did the audience eat the entire meal and watch the show? Or watch during dessert? Must have been a nightmare for performers.

Food is done and the tables cleared before the performance starts.

by Anonymousreply 183September 5, 2025 10:43 PM

They'll both be on Broadway at the same time.

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