What killed the transgender movement?

Without watching the video, I would have to say it was redefining transgender to include a larger group which sent it into chaos.

Real transgender people still want to be left alone. They are the people who are the real victims.

I met a trans girl. As far as I was concerned she was a girl. My heads too busy to complicated things. But the thing is, being trans was her main topic. I then began to wonder, as a str8 woman, what has she on common with gay people. She should be no more interested in gay bars or causes than any woman. So, b4 we parted, I decided to pretend to be interested, I thought it wud be a nice thing to do. So I asked her if she'd any pics on her phone of her as a boy. Well that is the cardinal sin. I was attacked. So I stopped her histrionics flat out and said; ur gonna have to fight a lot of people who mean u harm; so don't go after those who dont and are accepting, and still learning. I Managed to shut down the hystrionics that were ramping. I meant no harm And I wasn't willing to be burned at the stake....why such lack of tolerance for those who arent up on all the rules? That's why they've ruined their cause. At least the gays use charm.

It doesn’t help that a significant % of them actually are mentally unwell. I know six or seven trans people pretty well and three are not ok in terms of mental health, and I don’t mean transgenderism itself as a symptom. I mean extreme emotional dysregulation, suicidal ideation, crippling anxiety/depression, stuff like that. They’re each in treatment/under care.

Syntax and spelling are not your enemies, R2.

It was Mrs. White with the Surprise Penis in the Ballroom!

R4 That’s an EST-in-training!

Six or seven is not a reliable sample size, r3. Are you stupid?

Most of the trans people I know and work with are not obsessed about being trans. It's the non-binary people that have been a real pain in the ass lately.

Other saucy hits from this "independent" "thinker":

[bold]Why did the elites open America's borders?

[bold]why do people hate Jews? (the uncomfortablel truth)

[bold]why don't Asians commit crimes?

[bold]did the "me too" movement go to far?[/bold]

If I want to the racist white male drunk at the end of the bar feed me his ignorant attempts at thought I'll ask him.

In the meantime, fuck off with the endless trans shitposting.

Sadly, I had to end a 30 year friendship with a friend who was Trans because we got into a big debate over her support for Trump. If you are Trans, how can you not see you are voting against yourself interests? Her excuses was she's not trans, she's just a woman now. But what about other LGBTQ people? Not her problem. Not her issues as she said.

You lost me at: [bold] Without watching the video, .....

Maybe it should be more of a “mind your own business” movement. The only folks who seem to protest this are going maliciously at taking rights.

R10 Her alma mater still uses her deadname on the athletic facilities. Is she okay with that?

People got tired of it

I think Dylan Mulvaney/Bud Light was a turning point.

the T movement’s just begun.

fasten your seatbelts.

Thanks R9 you saved me the effort of having to look any further to confirm my own suspicions about this “independent” “thinker”.

I didn't know it was dead. Mostly because I have my own issues to worry about.

Mental illness killed it.

When they started targeting children. That was third rail and anyone with half a brain knew it.

All that non-binary shit adopted by every bipolar blue-haired cat collecting fatty for miles

I got permanently removed from an LGBTQ+II meeting for asking an NB with a beard why it upset him that his co-workers considered him male. It turns out the reason he looks masculine is because he takes testosterone because he was born female.

Not dilating enough.

Mostly their johns, if I understand the statistics.

Are you saying most Trans prostitutes R 24?

The insistence that there is zero difference between biological and identifying women.

When they started thinking the real world was the same as the internet.

R10 I have friends and family members who support Trump and I could never cut ties or break up with them over it. But I’m a true liberal in the sense that I believe in freedom, not just my ideas.

I HAVE to listen to people who have different views and understand them so I can confirm my own.

The complete over-saturation of Jinx Monsoon's "I'm better than you" attitude is starting to kill something.

That one can lay low for a bit, no?

An out of work actor disguises himself as a woman and finds fame.

"Tootsie" was the egg, Dylan Mulvaney is the chicken.

This is how you roast it.

My husband runs a company that serves the public. He has faced no fewer than four lawsuits from transgender people who claim to be misgendered. This is in NYC, so the law and support systems are on their side and his company usually has to settle. In the latest, the person working at the counter simply told the individual that they had to enter they/them pronouns in a different way in the company system, and that this individual might need to remind them of this they next time they come in. This person filed suit because of that. It’s truly unreal.

“ The transgender movement was killed” = “Trump ended six wars in six months”

[quote]that non-binary shit adopted by every bipolar blue-haired cat collecting fatty

HEY! Leave us out of it!

I feel the UK ruling about only accepting the biological definition of male/female was the death nail. Some protested but most were just past it.

That said, the movement will never truly be dead. What I think is dead is people not directly involved in it having to pretend they give a shit anymore. And good riddance to that.

I think the turning point was when the evangelical christian leadership realized that they couldn't make money off of hatemongering gay people at the same scale they used to. So they looked around for scary people to frighten stupid bigots and hit upon trans people.

This is not an issue that is covered easily, but I found this recent NYTimes podcast (The Protocol) very informative and provided more depth for the discussion. [The link is for a YouTube intro to the podcast.]

“The Protocol” is the story of youth gender medicine — where it came from, who it was meant to help, and what may come next in the legal and political fights over its future.

I think it was two things:

1) They wanted too much too quickly.

2) It seemed like an attack on women and children. When you're changing the language to birthing persons, people not being able to define what a woman is, transgender athletes in women's sports, and saying it's okay to give kids drugs to stifle puberty, you're going to get pushback.

I want trans people to be able to live their lives free from discrimination and fear, but at the same time some things are best achieved by taking baby steps.

I think a lot of Democrats were afraid of being on the wrong side of history and just went all in, instead of taking the temperatures of the electorate.

[quote] The analysis, shared with the Guardian and released on Wednesday, documented thousands of trans youth living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The findings counter Donald Trump’s aggressive efforts to deny the existence of trans minors, as his administration removes references to trans people across federal agencies and widely erodes protections and programs for LGBTQ+ communities.

As an eldergay who remembers the cultural shift with films addressing homosexuality -- mostly latent (Reflections in a Golden Eye, The Sergeant, et al.) -- Judy's death, Stonewall, the first Gay Rights parades (not Pride -- that was later), AIDS, and the fight for marriage equality, I have never understood the addition of "T" to our alphabet. Maybe I need to evolve, but to a 100% cis-male who is a Kinsey 6 it never really clicked with me. I'm also old enough to remember that the "T" was for transvestites and even that addition rankled a few people because many gay people did not seek that outlet but we were generally tolerant of those who did.

And the anger, the hair-trigger reaction to being innocently misgendered, and the me-me-me of it is simply exhausting. I'm sorry for those whose struggles are daily occurrences and everyone should be respected.

When it appeared to become a bit of a social contagion hysteria in kids, especially aspie pubescent/pre-pubescent girls. Many liberals, in a desire to be compassionate and (understanding the horrors that were inflicted on gay youth through centuries of bigotry) avoid sins of the past, automatically accepted that every child claiming to be trans was indeed the opposite sex. I think stories of vulnerable youngsters taking puberty blockers and hormones, sometimes undergoing surgeries, stopped many sane adults in their tracks.

I have two loving, progressive female friends whose own teen kids (one a son, one a daughter) decided they were trans, and it greatly shifted their (my adult friends') perspective on the subject.

Watch the video R1. It is very balanced as OP said.

I'd skip the comments though.

The trans movement did themselves in by advocating for puberty blockers and saying it's totally fine for a 7-year old girl to want to be a boy. Go after the children, and the world will go after you.

Gays just wanted to be men sleeping with men. A lot of people might find that disgusting, but it doesn't faze them nearly as much as hearing a transsexual talk about children 'transitioning'.

The funny thing about puberty blockers is you oldies will make fun of trans people for being “a man in a dress” or make comments about wide shoulders, deep voices, big arms, Adams apple etc., and then when trans people are like “we would like to be able to access puberty blockers in our teenage years to make us resemble the opposite sex” or to pass, you guys will also say they shouldn’t be allowed access them. Or the funniest braindead comment of all time “they should wait until they’re adults before using puberty blockers” which I’ve seen on here on more than one occasion 😂

^^^At least it is an adult making a decision and not some confused and lied to teen making profoundly stupid choices.

R43, puberty blockers or no, it will always be a man in a dress.

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R43 Nah there are transgender people who pass and transitioned as adults. There’s been passable transgender people since at least the 1950s and 1960s.

To me, what you’re talking about is the crossdressers who now claim they’re transgender.

I’ve never seen anyone attack Carmen Carrera who transitioned as an adult and looks like a chick.

They attack people like Rachel Levine who literally shaved and grew their hair out.

Easy, people got sick of being gaslit into believing that homosexuality and transgenderism were simply two sides of the same coin. It’s not even close. Same-sex attraction is natural and is something that has been observed across many different species. The same is not true for transgender people. I’ve never seen one scientific report about zebras and gorillas lining up for surgery at the gender reassignment clinic. “Gender non-conforming behavior” - if you want to call it that - has indeed been observed across many different species, but this is much more in line with butch lesbians and effeminate gay men than it is with transsexuals. Transgenderism is usually caused by some kind of childhood trauma or being autistic.

Bottom line, people aren’t buying it anymore. My personal opinion on the matter is, transgender adults have the right to live their lives however they want, and they deserve to be treated with respect, but let’s stop pretending that pumping yourself full of cross sex hormones and chopping your dick off is normal and simply a natural variation of human existence.

R14 nailed it.

We're over it.

Sam Brinton. Dylan Mulvaney. Caitlin Jenner. Elliot Page.

R46 I never said there weren’t trans people that pass having transitioned as adults. What I’m saying is it’s generally much easier to pass if you have access to puberty blockers. This is undeniable.

[quote]Many liberals, in a desire to be compassionate and (understanding the horrors that were inflicted on gay youth through centuries of bigotry) avoid sins of the past, automatically accepted that every child claiming to be trans was indeed the opposite sex.

I do think some well-meaning liberals see "trans" as Super Duper Gay or something similar.

The way he presents “facts” makes it clear he is not the neutral, objective analyst he pretends to be.

[quote] We're over it.

Then why post non stop about it?

@51. Yup. Many see it as Gay 2.0. They look at the example of, say, wonderful adults who took in gay kids who had been beaten and kicked out of their homes by hateful parents in the 60s and 70s, and they want to be this generation's version of those good people. They see trans kids as the next point on the same continuum.

Same thing that kills everything else in this world. Niggardly hoes. In this case, it was the ultimate niggardly hoe, Marsha P Johnson. She was literally a hoe, and a niggard. She was too cheap to even pay rent, so she lived outdoors.

Telling people “trans women are WOMEN” and real women are “CIS”

This guy was an exec at Fox News.

There are some points that are true - but his objective in all his videos is very clear.

I can't take anything he says seriously.

R55 should be addressed using ‘it’ pronouns.

I watched a few other of his videos after posting R57.

He clearly leans right. He is good at saying why things "aren't" what you think but doesn't give many good explanations on why they "are". He has videos on why Asians commit far fewer crimes than anyone else, why poor people are fatter, etc. but is slim on why that is.

For a Fox News exec, I still think it is pretty balanced, just not comprehensive.

I don't think the trans movement was ever as big as the Republican party made it out to be. it was just another thing they used to try and help them win elections, and for the most part it worked.

I never thought that much about it until they attacked RuPaul for insisting Drag Race was meant for men dressing as women, hiding beards and looking feminine. That seemed accurate to me, but NOOO! And they were so fucking nasty to someone who had done more the community than they could ever hope to do.

R60 Everything is amplified on social media. If you were to believe what you see on TikTok and YouTube, you would believe that the vast majority of liberals are fat, ugly, have green hair, a septum piercing, some weird pronoun, and scream about white privilege all day. This is absolutely not the norm.

I believe it was the whole restroom debacle in North Carolina that started the whole thing to blow up. Today when i see Non Gender restrooms here in LA I am glad that I live here. It’s such a sad, tragic situation.

Trans rights was a fringe concern for years until two specific issues hit mainstream awareness: male athletes in sports for women and girls and sex change for children.

There are many other points of contention around the trans rights movement but even the majority of Democrats can no longer support transing kids or disenfranchising female athletes.

[quote]Nah there are transgender people who pass and transitioned as adults. There’s been passable transgender people since at least the 1950s and 1960s.

Nah. Nobody passes really, they're all quite spookable. How delusional to believe otherwise.

Why should "passing" make anyone more deserving of anything? That's dumb. Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition to be treated and cured, not an identity. That IS the compassionate take on it.

R64 I agree. I think that's exactly it.

Lia Thomas suddenly sweeping swim meets, and being widely celebrated by the media for it, did a lot of damage to this cause.

There was also an increase in lying and misrepresenting reality to try to justify things like child transitions. Harping on any dissent as being the equivalent of genocide, as if someone being told they have to wait until 18 to pursue transitioning meant they would kill themselves, etc. The data isn't there. It seems to show suicide happens about as much with transition as it does without, with a higher mortality rate due to drug use, sex work dangers, and such. Peddling a false narrative doesn't win a lot of support if it can be easily disproven.

I think lumping T with LGB was a mistake because a good chunk of LGB resented it.

R67 and that’s exactly the reason why we laugh at this hoe.

I'm sorry to have laughed at first, but I thought that was Flip Wilson as Geraldine!

I'm sorry for that poor person's violent end.

When people are referring to us as The Alphabet crew ..it means we are unfortunately seen as the one cause. That is very unfair to gay people. All I hear is how we got what we wanted and we're not happy. This Trans, non binary stuff has been very damaging to us. People have fatigue with 'us' now.

[quote]I have friends and family members who support Trump and I could never cut ties or break up with them over it. But I’m a true liberal in the sense that I believe in freedom, not just my ideas.I HAVE to listen to people who have different views and understand them so I can confirm my own.

R28, that's the problem though, I was not the one who ended the friendship. It was my Trans Trump friend that basically said as a women, she sees no reason to support all of that "LGBTQ stuff and then accused me of outing her even though she says everyone knows and no one has a problem with it.

This has nothing to do with being a true liberal.

It got old.

It's not dead. It's still the way to virtue signal. Only gazA has surpassed int in popularity. Nothing else has .

70, I know Bruce Jenner does that a lot. .

Ironically, a brick.

Agree with r51 that a lot of liberals embraced trans because they have always thought gay men really wanted to be women and lesbians really wanted to be men. I’ve had well meaning progressive mothers telling me that they can understand what it must have been like for me to grow up gay because their child is non-binary (a girl with short hair and a hoodie).

[quote]the first Gay Rights parades (not Pride -- that was later)

r39 When they removed the "Gay" from "Pride" is when it all started going downhill. It wasn't about our rights anymore. It became some larger assault on the gender binary. That defied logic.

[quote] It seemed like an attack on women and children.

Seemed like!?

R66 I think you’ve hit on another important point with the trans rights issue. It’s never enjoyed much popular support. From the beginning, it’s been a top-down movement sold to the public as the next big civil rights cause.

A very deliberate strategy of the trans rights lobby has been to get pro-trans policies enacted behind closed doors with a minimum of public scrutiny. Another savvy tactic was to piggyback trans rights onto other civil rights activism like rights for gays, women and minorities.

But when ordinary people really start to give it some thought? Ideas like “sex is a spectrum” don’t hold up to even the most casual scrutiny. Now that the realities of gender identity dogma have entered the national conversation, people are realizing they don’t want to be coerced into pretending humans can change sex or give up their own rights in the name of greater “inclusivity.”

At the root of it all, you simply cannot change the gender you were born.

Hands and feet size, shoulder width, heart and lung capacity, skin thickness (men have about 20% thicker skin), bone density, muscle fibre count.. The list goes on and on.

People can be OK with you wanting to sleep with the same sex, but not with asking them to pretend you magically became the opposite sex.

Maybe many of them just got tired of the ruse.

[quote] At the root of it all, you simply cannot change the gender you were born.

Oh Jesus 🙄

[Quote] What killed the transgender movement?

Yo mamma did

I notices this last Pride that a lot of the flags looked new and went back to the original rainbow and not the stupid progress ad hoc one with all the ugly colors.

That stupid flag is not technically free to use by the way. The graphic designer who created it is trying to make money from it by charging commercial use of it as it's copyrighted. The original one is not.

All you need is nice Amelia Earhart overnight bag!!!

One good thing is that I could now punch Elliot Page in the face for how much I hated Juno and Ellen Page.

I'm not even putting this through archive.ph because the headline and the photo is enough. How, on God's green earth, are functioning, contributing, and sensible gays, lesbians, and bisexuals expected to align with this much less be allies?

I think people got fed up with the gaslighting. From Marsha and Sylvia, to the “it never happens” arguments in relation to youth gender transitions, trans girls in sports, and the prison issue. I checked his stat on trans women prisoners and sex offenses in Wisconsin and it’s 50.3% are in there for sex offenses. The male prison population it’s around 20% and women it’s around 2%.

One thing for me was the overnight invention of the "deadname," and the concept that one can't say, "Elliott Page, the former Ellen Page" without inflicting great trauma.

Gays and lesbians fought hard and bravely for their rights and were called all kinds of derogatory slurs. Yet we're supposed to believe that Stephanie goes into a fugue state when she sees someone reference her birth name as Stephen.

Schools acceding to pupil requests for social transition on campus without informing parents/guardians probably didn’t help.

I think when the powers that be in the LGBTQ community started lecturing gay men that they owe their rights to a couple of cross-dressing junkie prostitutes. Those aren’t exactly the kind of figures that most people want to look up to as heroes. And then somehow, within the past 10 to 15 years, these two cross-dressing junkie prostitutes were retroactively made into transsexuals, even though they’re both long dead.

R91 I’m old enough to remember Stonewall and was in NYC. The police were hassling the street kids and they fought back. Somehow history was rewritten to fit a trans and racial fairy tale. Again, causing incredible resentment.

R91 even if it is true that Marsha P Johnson’s effect on the stonewall riots has been exaggerated beyond what was a reality, there still are a lot of photos of those “cross dressing junkie prostitutes” at lots of different protests, fighting for the rights that people like you enjoy today, and you’re talking about them like that?! Maybe worth considering how the internet is having a negative effect on you personally. I don’t think any of you would be like this if it wasn’t for the meeting of right wing online hate content disguised as normal media (this thread is an example), and your weak brains.

I don't understand the anger at Marsha P. Johnson. He/she/whatever didn't ask for any of this. You're misplacing blame. MPJ would probably be just as baffled as everyone else about this entire gender identity stuff.

The ease of access made it easy for bad actors to exploit for perks.

It’s interesting how many men didn’t decide to transition until being incarcerated.

I don’t believe most of them are truly trans. They just saw the special treatment the group was given and wanted in.

All of which hurts legit trans people.

R94 No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

[quote][R94] No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

That pancake flips both ways, bitch.

Not Chase Strangio!

r93 there were lots of post-Stonewall marches and parades. Yes, loud visibility is great, yet hundreds if not thousands of people were all there doing the same thing.

The gay residence/home that Sylvia and Marsha attempted to create was in fact an illegal tenement rented from a local mafia character with no water, heat or electricity where street kids came to fence stolen goods, do drugs and crash. To those who knew it, it operated as more of a "crime academy" more than anything in its very short existence. Not one person was helped, offered food or social services or anything like that. You'll hear people touting this effort, but those are the facts.

R99 in your own comment you said street kids came there to crash. Guessing they had nowhere else to go. Sounds like a social service to me ;)

Out of interest, where did your “facts” come from?

Marsha P Johnson bled to death after her botched bottom surgery.

R56 The contradiction with the term cisgender was always this: the trans movement emphasized the right to self-identify, yet “cis” was a label assigned to everyone else without their consent.

It created a double standard: “Respect my chosen label, but you must accept the label I choose for you.”

What was intended as an equalizing term instead became a flashpoint. For some, it felt like neutral language. For others, it felt like being drafted into someone else’s ideology against their will.

That tension — demanding universal recognition for one identity while imposing a new label on another — is one of the reasons the term provoked such resistance.

You can start here, r100

Pose.

One of the more damaging turns in gender politics was the attempt to re-label gays and lesbians.

Instead of respecting identities people had claimed for decades, some activists pushed terms like “same-sex attracted” — reducing a whole culture and history to sterile clinical language. Even worse, lesbians who set boundaries were branded “genital fetishists,” as if their orientation was just a perversion.

The irony is obvious: a movement built on self-identification tried to overwrite the self-identification of others. Rather than solidarity, it came across as control.

When you demand recognition for your identity while denying others the same right, backlash is inevitable.

[quote]No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

Such as Dr. Eric Cervini, who prays at his altar to Marsha and Sylvia at night.

What can’t more trans be like Caitlin Jenner.

Could someone repost the original video, which is (perhaps unsurprisingly) greyed out.

R103 that certainly looks like a dude to me.