Have any of you ever met or ever saw JFK Jr in real life?

It was an accident. He didn’t crash it intentionally or act negligently. He just wasn’t an experienced pilot.

No but I met his father. Charisma for days.

JFK had "it".

Only in my dreams

He was such a Greek god. And apparently as humble as he was good looking.

The most handsome, friendly, and humble guy I’ve ever met. Yes, I had the great pleasure of meeting him.

Yes.

He was in Vermont and I was a local reporter. I found out where he was staying and called his thugs to try to arrange a photo op. They said no. Undaunted, my editor told me to hide in the bushes. There were really no good hiding bushes

I went down to the local Quickie Mart to have a smoke and decide what to do.

Suddenly he pulled up with his entourage and went into the store. All of them went in and they all came out with lots of beer.

Yes he was gorgeous.

And I almost jumped out of my car to say "look. I respected your wishes and I asked for a photo and your guys said no. So I didn't take your picture" like he owed me or something. But it would have been such a bad pic with all that beer, and he was John-John!

I did not get my photo.

Yes, at MK in NY. A friend asked him to dance and he took her up on the offer. Very nice guy, extremely charismatic.

MK! You were in with the In Crowd R8.

[quote]Have any of you ever met or ever saw JFK Jr in real life?

Oh, come on! This was covered in second grade grammar. " Ever saw"?

Yes, I almost physically ran into him coming out of a Burke and Burke (IYKYK) across the street from Lincoln Center my first year in NYC. Stunningly handsome. Probably the only celebrity NYC sighting I actually wanted to happen.

Many times. He and Darryl Hannah lived across the hall from my good friend in the 90s. I also biked a lot, and he was always on his bike too all over the Upper West Side. He actually recognized and acknowledged me which was kind of cool. But we never exchanged words.

He was beyond gorgeous.

I was at the opening of the Kennedy library or breaking ground for it?

I'm embarrassed now but I took a photo of him

He was a teen but in fairness, so was I.

Angie Dickinson was there, too. I got her autograph

Today, it'd be a selfie

[quote]Angie Dickinson was there, too. I got her autograph

Are you sure it wasn't me?

Yes.

He and Caroline on various occasions. My law firm Represented the Onassis estate in the sale of the Park Ave. apartment, the Kennedy family re the Merch Mart, and John-John’s estate for a while.

He smelled wonderful, even when sweaty and fresh off the bike. He made no eye contact unless you were speaking with him. Both he and Caroline had this uncanny ability to completely ignore everyone around them, except for the people they were directly dealing with.

Yessss ....

Yes, he dated another woman—not Daryl Hannah—who lived at 111 Fourth Avenue for a while. He would park and lock his bike out front, and I rode the elevator with him a few times. He was very handsome and polite.

I saw JFK Jr. on the street in NY on three occasions in the mid-late 90s. He looked exactly the same in person, absolutely gorgeous. Even if he hadn't been famous and had just been some anonymous guy on the street he still would've made people stop and stare.

I also saw his mother in a corner bodega on Lexington on the UES in the early 90s. I was standing behind her in line, she was taller than I thought she'd be. What was Jackie buying, you ask? Two packs of Marlboro Reds.

Did Jackie on Assistance pay with food stamps, R20?

If John Jr surived the plane crash but the others were dead, attitudes toward him may have shifted. As it was, he paid a high price for his failures and could no longer be held accountable for them. (Also the Kennedys = American royalty thing)

His nephew is a looney tune and possibly DL.

I saw JFK Jr on his bike riding past me. He was wearing a suit and was very handsome. I saw Caroline on a bus near Madison Square Garden. No make up and very uncharismatic.

[quote] Whereas Ted Kennedy was rightly blamed for Chappaquidick.

Teddy 1) wasn’t hot, and 2) didn’t die

I'm curious what he'd look like now. Or what he'd be doing now. He'd probably have signed up for some reality show if the money was right.

Ate by him twice in an empty restaurant we both went to. He was alone. Ate at a table near Jackie Onassis in some ritzy upper east side Italian restaurant. It was ok. Nothing great. I have yet to see Carolyn but have no desire to.

Re R16

correction: 5th Ave (1040)

He's ok, but JFK jr sure as hell ain't no Donald Trump, Jr.

Hubba, hubba. Now there's a real man. He's got it goin on and the one man I'd leave Pa for.

Seen him? I still see him very regularly.

It was a blustery night as I entered the Mineshaft, my eyes adjusted to the dimmed light and I looked up and there he was......

Yes - I worked in the dept next door to him at Manhattan District Attorney's Office. He worked in Trial Bureau 60 - which is low level offenses.

Didn't come into work that much. Other ADAs prepped the cases and then handed it off to him at the last minute to avoid press clogging up courtrooms.

Very handsome, very trim - and great manners. That's all I've got. Never actually worked with him, but saw him often enough and shared elevators with him.

How many times did he fail the bar?

How embarrassing. Was he simply not that bright?

R34 - I think three times. He was a wealthy eligible bachelor having fun, dating around. He didn't really want to be an attorney and he finally buckled down because it was getting embarrassing.

He left to go into publishing - George magazine - but that was a bomb too.

They say he wanted to act - and he was in a lot of plays in high school and college. But Jackie said hell no. That explains a lot.

I don't think he was dumb - I think he didn't have direction. Also, he was HOUNDED by paparazzi every GOD DAMN DAY.

He posed tastefully nude (no dick) in a George photo. He knew he was hot.

yep. buddha bar, nyc. thanksgiving night, ’90. relaxed, smiling, 11 p.m., drinking (anniversary of his dad’s death but also his b-day weekend) outgoing, stood up to shake my hand and introduced himself to me, (who wasn't 21 years old yet but didn’t get carded). short visit

R32:

And then the killings began.

He passed the third time.

Yes, waiting for a ride home at the start of Easter Week break at six he college I attended where he and his sister must’ve been visiting their cousin who also was enrolled at the time. Just sitting on the stairs by the quad, campus mostly deserted, when he and Caroline suddenly came out the doors and simply strode down the stairs and on their way across the courtyard. He was in a light-colored suit, and—I gotta say, it’s so true that he was hearstoppingly gorgeous, even more so, in person. They were oblivious to and not looking for attention from anyone around them, and just were smiling headed straight ahead. Must’ve learned that great, steadied composure from their mom. It’s a nice visual memory I’m glad to have.

Yes.

Himbo

Dead-o Coke-o

Nobody liked Besette. That's why the focus was on him.

I saw Daryl Hannah and him rollerblading in Central Park during the Gay Games at the 25th anniversary of Stonewall. He was a beautiful blur.

I’m with r27 what would he be doing now???

R26, you only remember Ted from his fat Elvis stage. He was absolutely hot in his younger days. He was considered by many to be the most handsome of the brothers. Just today, I happened to watch a Watergate-related interview of Ted from June 1973, when he was 41, so almost three years older than John, Jr., & his jawline was sharper than John, Jr.’s was in the latter part of his life.

About two weeks or less before he died, and with his leg still in a cast, I did jury duty with JFK Jr.

We were not on a jury yet, but did two days of [italic]voir dire[/italic] panels together. Everyone was star struck.

Met him at a George event. So handsome. Teddy was there too. (He slimmed down while married to Vicky). Congressman Joe Jr. was there too.

Didn't actually meet him, but he did check me out in a coffee shop.

I saw him roller blading around the D’Agostino on Columbus and 91st in 1991. I lived on 87th then.

He was absolutely stunning. I staggered to the checkout and Joyce Randolph from “The Honeymooners”, who also lived in the neighborhood, was in line behind me.

She elbowed me and said, “I’ve never been so starstruck in my life…” 😍

He shouldn't have flown unsupervised with a cast on or at night. He attempted both. Stupidly.

There were a lot of articles about Carolyn having her nails painted and then re-done at a salon a few times, making the flight late.

He was generally assumed to be pussywhipped after the photos of them fighting in Central Park were printed in the tabloids. The pictures mostly showed her yelling at him and him sitting on the ground and crying.

IIRC, the Bessette family received a huge payout for their loss of two daughters.

But, still...

Handsome, sure. But not the sharpest pencil in the pencil box.

Have I ever met or ever saw him, you ask, OP? No not yet, but I’m hoping to!

I was sitting outside taking a mid afternoon break from work, it was quiet that time of day and I see this guy walking by, I’m thinking wow he’s gorgeous, wait is that JFK Jr? Yes, it is JFK Jr! His George magazine office was a block away.

he could have modeled.

on Queer as Folks, when the boys recalled his passing, Emmett said they showed video of him playing football, shirtless, in Central Park and he didn't know whether to weep or jerk off.

[quote] Teddy 1) wasn’t hot

Really?!

More evidence of Teddy's pulchritude.

R16 The lawyer from the family firm, you have got to tell us more!!! How much was John worth? How much did Jackie’s apartment go for?

Jackie’s apartment info is public knowledge—it was bough and sold again. Last I heard the owner was Jeff Blau and his wife. He’s the head of Related.

Only gossip I can share is that one of John-John’s best friend from law school (a firm partner) was co-executor of his will—along with a Kennedy cousin. Once various formalities were completed after the death, he resigned at the immediate behest of Caroline (no outsiders).

The first purchaser's of Jackie's apartment were David and Julia Koch, of the infamous Koch brothers.

It said in the paper they did a gut rehab. From the photos I've seen it looked scruffy yet elegant when Jackie lived there. A lot of wealthy people who live in such grand apartments kind of let them go to seed. They get old and likely don't want to start a two year reno project, even if they have the money.

*purchasers

[quote] Side note: it shocks me that no one seemed to be angry that he flew this fucking plane into the ocean and killed to people.

But it was wrong!

[italic]Shockingly[/italic] wrong!

Tina Brown interviewed the producer of the new JFK Junior documentary and try she could she couldn’t get the guy to admit that he was an idiot.

Seems like he either liked being seen, didn’t like being home, or both.

Oh yeah. So hot!

I used to see him rollerblading in Tribeca... just gorgeous...he had IT

R66 is bllind

R68, I cannot tell whether R66 is being disingenuous. And if he's on the level, where you stand on young(er) Ted's looks.

Jackie’s apartment was on its way to becoming like her aunt and cousin’s home

The story I had heard in the days after it happened was that Caroline’s sister delayed them by taking longer at work. Of course the stories blamed the women, not the guy flying.

Carolyn, R71.

I went to law school with him, so yes.

Did your gaydar ever go off, R73, or is it just the case of a lot of DL wishful thinking?

Not unlike Princess DI, I don't think JFK Jr was meant to grow old (as stupid as that sounds). George was already going on under at the time of his death & his marriage was unraveling. If he hadn't crashed that plane that night, I think he would've wrapped his car around a tree, drowned while kayaking or some other stupid, ill-advised thing. But he was The People's Prince and we loved him anyway .

Back in the early 90s, my husband had a layover in the Newark airport. This was back before cell phones were common. My husband was calling me from a payphone when JFK Jr came up to the phone next to him to make a call.

[quote] Did your gaydar ever go off

As if.

@64 "she couldn’t get the guy to admit that he was an idiot."

I used to think JFK Jr. was an idiot. But I've read a fair bit about him and what I learned about him changed my mind. John wasn't particularly academic. He had ADHD, which can make focusing and writing long, cogent essays on dry topics harder than for your average student. He had to be held back a year at his preppy New England high school. He flunked the Bar twice. But when he was interested in a subject (like American politics), he could hyper-focus and had some really interesting, nuanced opinions that he expressed well. For any number of reasons, George Magazine was doomed to fail but John saw (a decade or two before the rest of us) the how much celebrity and politics were going to intertwine. It takes a certain kind of intelligence to be so magnetic, so charming.

Anyway, yes, I saw JFK Jr. twice IRL mid-late '90s. He was handsome but I was more struck by the fact the guy clearly carried himself as if all eyes were on him at all times. Not self-conscious, but definitely self-aware.

I don't think it takes intelligence. You got it or you don't. Which is why Lana Turner was a movie star at the biggest movie studio of them all and Angela Lansbury was always second lead despite being good friends with the boss.

You went to a Lana Turner movie. Whoever went to an Angela Lansbury movie? If she had done Mame she would have gotten The Boys in the Band crowd.

[quote] Whoever went to an Angela Lansbury movie?

I did. One of the first movies I ever saw was Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

I always found him articulate when he was interviewed. Mind you, he had time to prepare for questions that were basically about himself, and I am sure he had help. But he also came off as curious about things and wasn't arrogant.

Yes. I was attending the Democratic convention in 1988 in Atlanta, and saw him as he was walking into the building and coming down the hallway on his way into the back stage area of the arena. He walked right past me and I was surprised at how tall he was. And he looked exactly like his pictures. Gorgeous. I recall being struck by how slender he seemed.

As I think about it, I met Bobby Kennedy...Sr. when he was in the Senate and my class spent the day in Washington. I met Teddy many years later when I was a Congressional aide and was working on the set u p for a public hearing. He later wrote me a note thanking me for my assistance. Apparently he did that. I was surprised. I still have it somewhere. I was too young to have met JFK when he was running for POTUS.

OP don't you mean "Have you ever SEEN..." not "saw."

[quote] I was surprised at how tall he was

How tall are you?

He was shorter than I am and I was 6'2" 1/2, un shod, and in business shoes both times as was he. But he had very high hair. Also he was slight. He looked so built and athletic but he was slight, as was his father. Wonderfully attractive in looks and vibration.

I shared an elevator with John-John and his handlers after an event in lower Mannhattan. It was when he was single, but out of college. I guess the "George" years. He had a blue suit on; it was dirty. He was gorgeous.

When he went to Brown University he used to come into the bakery / cafe where I worked after school (I'm three years younger than him, almost to the day). I used to always wait on him since I would work 'the counter' from 3 - 6 pm, and he would always come in around 4-5 for a sandwich and dessert before he took off for his 6:00 class (I remember him telling me that). Most times he was alone and would spread his text books all over the table to study, other times he'd have a friend with him (I remember mostly male friends, very few times a female).

Anyhow, he was very nice and friendly with me when he was alone. I would always give him a small paper plate as soon as he came in so he could take out his mouth retainer and put it in the plate. Then he'd eat his sandwich (he used to order turkey sandwich every damn day, sour cream & onion chips, and a cream cheese brownie for dessert with a carton of milk). He didn't mind that this young gayling was drooling all over him - he loved the attention. He really was a stunning, sexy guy in his early 20s - and he knew it. We had some nice conversations - always asked me how school was going (I was a senior in high school).

When he brought a friend in, he acted like he didn't know me. He was rather aloof with me, and not friendly. He didn't want a paper plate for his retainer - he would grab extra napkins and discreetly stick it in those and stuff it in his pocket.

Jack Schlossberg may not be as conventionally handsome as his uncle, but he does bear a certain uncanny resemblance. He’s also a bit more Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs—just watch some of his TikToks and you’ll see what I mean.

Years ago, I was helping out in a restaurant. He was in town for the EAA Convention. The restaurant was extremely busy due to the convention. He came in and the owners scrambled to get him a table immediately, cuz he was JFK Jr. He said no, please don't bother, I'll wait. And he waited just like everyone else. People left him alone.

I love Jack, R90. Yeah, he’s a total nut but he’s entertaining.

Where can you see photos of the inside of Jackie’s apartment?

Pics of Jackie's apartment at 1040 5th Avenue

R89

Or anyone else...why do you suppose he acted differently - aloof - when he came in with a friend? What was different?

r28 I met Carline once but I was a cunt when it happened. I was running late, but stuck behind her as she slowly made her way through the TSA line while rummaging through her bag for her phone. I just through she was some older women walk too damn slow so I squeezed past her. It was rude but I didn't want to miss my plane.

Wasn't helpful since security was slow. She caught up to me when we put our bags on the belt for the scanner. What caught my attention was her shimmery American flag fitted white t-shirt. It was a few days before the 4th of July. Then I looked up and realized it was Ambassador Kennedy. I mumbled a think you for your service but she stared me down and returned an ice cold "Mmhm". I had been rude muscling past her so I deserved that.

Still chuckled that of course a Kennedy would wear some patriotic shirt right before the Fourth of July. So on brand for our former royal family (replaced by dictators).

r35 and when you know you're set to inherit a truckload of money, it's hard to give a damn about school.

R95 I always thought he didn't want his college friends knowing he was friendly with a high school kid behind the counter. Not many of the college kids - especially Brown students - were all that friendly to me or my high school colleagues when they came in. There was that 'divide' between college / high school students those days (late 70s - early 80s).

r98 it was town/gown which also includes a difference of perceived status in the case of and Ivy League or other very elite university. I went to Cornell and Brown and there was more of it in Providence - town/gown distance - than in Ithaca. Also I got bashed brutally off campus at Brown and it wasn't gay bashing it was class bashing. The black cop who knew my attackers told me plainly and also said he would slow walk any effort I made to pursue it. The bashing landed me overnight in hospital. Anyway John was probably maintaining some kind of image with his friends and you never know. he might have actually been more DISTANT with them, than he was with you when you were alone with just him. He might have been maintaining his status, and yet when alone with you, he felt no need to actively maintain his status and he liked you and your vibe so he was friendly ("with the help").

"Royal Family" R96? They were Nazi sympathizers and bootleggers among God knows what else? Check out their patriarch Joseph Kennedy.

The exhaustive, warts & all, biography of Joe Kennedy, The Patriarch, addressed & dispelled the longtime allegations of bootlegging.

So fucking what if they were bootleggers? Prohibition was the stupidest thing this country ever did. If people found a way to make money off of that idiocy then good for them.

Melania is no Jackie and Baron is no JFK jr.

Yes, when he worked at Hachette. Which did his George Magazine, Published to effect "quality" for the company. It was never a good magazine, was kept running about twice as long as a good publishing house would have it. John was polite, you always felt he knew because of his press and family he felt he had to be. Hate to say it, but he was an ordinary thinker which caused the He's Not That Bright mantle he had to wear. He did bike to work; several other company titles had space salesmen that were better looking. But he did have a good way of focusing on you, only you, when talking with you. The new plane? His at-the-time joy. But with his bum foot and not really enough time in the cockpit he should have known he should not have flown the plane that night. All along his quiet way few people ever told him no. He had not complete knowledge of his new plane, he got spatial disorientation while descending over water that night and lost control of his plane. Tragic, the loss.

But understandable why he would want to fly his own plane.

I never met JFK, Jr, but my parents constantly reminded me that we were practically the same age (I was 3 weeks younger). My parents were/are staunchly liberal democrats. I remember when he died like it was yesterday. I was in Alaska. He was an inexperienced pilot and wasn't instrument rated. Had he been, the plane probably would have safely landed.

He also knew nothing about magazine publishing. It's not like he started at the bottom and worked his way up learning all the facets and aspects of running a magazine. He understood nothing and depended on others to do the work. Combined with not being very bright and probably not even knowing how to delegate work it was a pure vanity project doomed to failure and his mother who actually had experience in journalism and publishing told him not to do it.

He spent his life coasting on his great looks and Kennedy name. He wasn't good at anything and was directionless so he could do nothing except eventionally be a politician. Meanwhile he was so inept in bed his wife while they were still newly married found that handsome Calvin Klein underwear model for some at least physical comfort. She was young charismatic and was like 'I'm a woman and I want a great fuck!' John was handsome and had a great body but in true Kennedy fashion could only throw a football.

Ari was repulsive but I bet he fucked Jackie vigorously and creatively.

R89 and others

Thanks for the very logical responses. Makes sense.

[quote] Ari was repulsive but I bet he fucked Jackie vigorously and creatively.

In one of his most recent Kennedy books, Randy Taraborrelli concluded that the Ari/Jackie marriage was never consummated.

OP, back to the Thread, why are you trying to turn him into Uncle Teddy post mortem?

Post many decades mortem?

This is just another stealth thread to dirty Democrats no matter the cost.

R100 Do you think royal families are above reproach?

[quote]He also knew nothing about magazine publishing. It's not like he started at the bottom and worked his way up learning all the facets and aspects of running a magazine. He understood nothing and depended on others to do the work.

As a former small business owner, I assure you that you just described close to the majority of people who start a business, or buy one. They do it for the 'glamour' and the 'ego', not the 'interest' nor 'the passion'. And they end up falling flat on their asses in no time.

[quote]But he did have a good way of focusing on you, only you, when talking with you.

This is exactly how he was with me when it was just the two of us in the cafe, and he would be quite the conversationalist (when he was alone).

r100 name me a royal family that wasn't all of that to a degree or two.

r107 then that bitch should have left him and his money to the rest of us. Uh, she was a real piece of coked out work.

My roommate met him back in the day. Caroline was friends with my sister so I saw her at her graduation. I could have met Jackie, who was there, but I wasn't not a celebrity hound, so I didn't. I don't remember if he was there or not.

Trifecta that day, R117: John Jr., Jackie, and her mother, Janet Auchincloss at Caroline’s graduation. I worked for one of the Kennedy family’s doctors and he introduced me to all of them.

r110 i dont believe that

My lesbian sister was visiting when I lived in Boston in the 90s and we went "down the Cape" for a day trip. Driving along in the middle of nowhere, we zipped past a well built hairy chested man out for a run and we both simultaneously said "That's John-John!" and so I made a U-turn, went way past him to turn around and drive by again and if it wasn't him, the dude was a doppelganger.

It surprised me, R119, but Taraborrelli is as authoritative on the subject of Jackie as anyone out there.

When JFK Jr attended Brown, he didn't live in a dorm for long. His mother bought a neglected historic house built in the 1700s not too far from the campus after his freshman year, and he lived there after renovations. I remember this was 'news', and cameras followed her around to antique shops in the state, decorating the period home to her liking and giving it a much needed historical renovation to its early days (other buyers followed suit with the neighboring houses they bought throughout the 80s). JFK Jr 's house-mate at the time was aspiring journalist Christiane Amanpour, who was a URI grad and working at a local TV station not far from this house and met JFK Jr through a mutual friend (it was rumored but never proven these two were 'an item').

Once JFK Jr graduated and moved to NYC, his room-mate Christiane Amanpour also left for cable news. This was the early 80s, a real estate boom was happening (especially with historic homes in this neighborhood) and realtors were begging Jackie to have them list the house. She decided to keep it for herself, (there was also a strong rumor Jr was going to take the bar exam in RI and join an old, prestigious law firm within blocks of the house). Jackie had someone who checked in on the house weekly, and took care of the garden and maintenance. Occasionally - but not too often - you would see Jackie stroll the neighborhood or show up at a nearby restaurant with a friend, where no one bothered her. It was said she seemed to enjoy this little city.

In the summer of 1985, not too far from the house, the Claus Von Bulow second trial got under way and lasted through the fall, attracting the world-wide media. Journalist Dominick Dunne was assigned to the trial by Vanity Fair, and where did he stay that summer ? In Jackie's home, which was a short walk from the action. He would hold his own 'press conferences' in front of the house before he took his stroll down the street to the court. He also had his book ('Two Mrs. Grenvilles') to sell.

By the early 90s, Jackie ended up selling the house for a record-breaking amount. She died about 15 months after.

….take the bar in RI and join an old, prestigious law firm within blocks of the house

I’d love to see where this shot was sourced.

shit*

He was my cousin....

Great face, decent body. But I'm not a fan of puffy hair.

I cannot imagine there were any contemporaneous critics of his hair, R126. Or his body.

I was entering as he was leaving the men's room at the 1789 restaurant next to the Georgetown campus in 1981. He smiled at me as soon as he saw me. I definitely smiled back. Mmmm...20 year old John-John.

Another thread about John John? Another one??!!

Many air head ADHD folks are charming on first meet up and I won’t watch another documentary on ‘’The Prince’’. The tragedy with Daryl Hannah’s beloved dog is more than enough information for me.

What did he do to the dog?

He was walking her dog in NYC, it got off the leash, hit by a car, and died. Hannah blamed him.

Daryl wanted to have a funeral for the dog in LA. JFK, Jr had to bring the dog’s cremated ashes with him to LA to attend the funeral (and have something to bury or scatter, one assumes) and she didn’t like the box he put them in.

They broke up soon after. Jackie didn’t like her and Hannah was said to be both volatile and needy, things young Kennedy didn’t deal with well.

What R47 said, Ted was hot in the 60s I’ve seen the pictures…

I never thought Teddy was hot. He looked like a butched up lesbian. But Bobby (RFK Sr. was hot, IMO. I met him. He had the bluest eyes. He was soft spoken and he had kind eyes. Had he asked I would have said absolutely. But alas...

But alas, you were 8 and he died.

Have any of you ever met or ever saw

I worked in Century City when he was interning with a Ent law firm couple floors above our offices. All the girls were freaking out over their John-John sightings. My pal Rossana was frantic because she hadn't seen him yet. We're heading down for lunch when the lift door opened on a packed elevator full of Armani suites. Junior right in the front. He politely steps aside to let us in. We are standing jammed right next to him. He looks just like you'd expect and smells lovely. I just start smiling and elbowing Rossana hard. She is oblivious. When the door opens we all pile out. She: 'What's wrong with you. Stop it!" Me " Didn't you see HIM!" She: "Who?" Me: "John -John you were standing right next to him!" She shrieks and goes running after him thru the lobby. Rosie was not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I am amazed how many here have seen him. He must have been a gay magnet.

He put himself out there ;)

Hiding in plain sight was his strategy, I suppose. It worked.

[quote] I never thought Teddy was hot. He looked like a butched up lesbian.

Look again.

Ted’s back was broken when a small plane he was in crashed in Western Massachusetts en route to the state Democratic Convention in Springfield in 1964. He recuperated at the New England Baptist Hospital in Boston and is pictured here below afterwards doing rehab, aged 32. This is how he looked after spending months in a Stryker frame.

They had the best PR team

Sadly, he gained weight later in life…

R137 You need to learn how to use the present tense.

r144 you need to learn how not to be a purse-lipped prisspot.

Saw a glimpse of him. This was around the time of him trying to pass the bar and the paps were all over him. God he was freaking hot.

He's been dead as friggin' disco for nearly 30 years.

And yes, he got himself and those two chippies killed with his own idiotic pilotage. He wasn't qualified to fly on instruments or at night, but the little rich prick couldn't be told no.

Kennedy’s are not saints.! They are/were young rich people with publicity machines-the end.

Pot kettle yada

Not in a million years Jackie would have thought her son would die only 5 years after her..

She probably had an idea he was always at risk. Being an entitled dunce.

And she knew of the Kennedy curse.

Yeah, in Midtown during his 'George' days. I went to a salad bar on 52nd and 8th and as I was making my salad, I looked across the bar and there he was, making his salad. He was gorgeous.

It was reported somewhere that his sister in law and his wife, who was very late and missed their take off time, pressured him into going. If they had left on time it would have been daylight and no need for instrument flying.

News to me.

Don't know for sure, but I just know (Bill Maher) to say that JFK jr had a very hairy hole.

Bill Maher wouldn't know.

Another DL JFK Jr thread derailed by you ancient kweens who resemble this Kennedy. ...

So if his wife was late he still shouldn't have taken off. Pilots agree not only should he have not gone because of the hour but he was too inexperienced for that plane. The guy was extremely stupid like the caricature of a dumb blond. He reminds me of that South Park episode where Harry opens Meghan's head and there is nothing there. He had a death wish. Fine. But his death wish included taking others with him.

[quote] Another DL JFK Jr thread derailed by you ancient kweens

You do realize that, if still alive, JFK, Jr., would be one of those ancient kweens.

Everybody talks about how magnetic and handsome he was. I saw him twice and can attest to that. Physically he was extraordinary. But never once have I ever heard him called smart, intelligent, bright, or talented in any way.

He outdid his uncle. Ted only drowned one. John got two.

I guess I should be more specific. Mary Jo was asphyxiated. She was in an air bubble and if emergency services were called right away there was a good chance she could have been saved. She was in 3 feet of water. But Ted was exhausted and needed a shower and a good night's sleep. The two women John killed were most likely killed on impact.

Ted Kennedy was never hot. He was young once, like all of us. He had a fit body for a period when he was young, like most people. His facial features were generally proportional and largely symmetrical, the baseline for attractiveness. He was not ugly. He personified "Kennedy hair," the one (usually) attractive feature that they all share.

But he was never hot. He had the world's most enormous noggin, scrunched up facial features that retracted into a perma-grimace as he aged, and ruddy red alcoholic skin. He was also obese starting in middle age.

Killed to where, now?

Teddy absolutely never did it for me. The least good looking of all the brothers. In fact I would not even put him in their category of looks at all.

[quote] But [Ted] was never hot.

During Jack's presidency, he was widely considered the handsomest of the brothers. I was around during that time. And the photos in this thread belie the belief he was never hot. But to each his own.

Another weird thread from the criminal born in the 00s, filled with made up stories.

Aren’t you bored?

R168 When you have your intervention and then detox maybe you can then attempt to write and we might be able to understand you.

Yes, I graduated from Boston University College of Communication with Anthony Radziwill. His mother, Lee, along with his sister, Christina, were in the front row along with Jackie O and John-John. As graduates of the BU's College of Communication, our graduation was separate and much smaller than the massive BU graduation that included all of the individual colleges within the university. The College of Communication graduates had to line up right along the front row of graduation guests before going on stage. We were lined up for a quite a long time. I was within three feet of the Radziwill/Kennedy clan and saw them all up close. They were very nice and were there to celebrate Anthony and all applauded when Anthony's name was called. They all had a way of being very polite but blocking out all the other people and graduates who were looking at them.

Read Ask Not by Maureen Callahan. An encyclopedia of all the deaths and accidents suffered by women involved with Kennedys. It is just devastating to have all the information in the same place. The stuff on JFK Jr was horrifying.

R171 a few examples?

John Jr was a very stupid idiot He had nothing. Absolutely nothing going for him except his incredible good looks. As a person he was a complete dimwit. And I understand when the Bessett family sued the Kennedys they were put through hell by Ted. He killed those two women by ignorance and arrogance. A truly rotten family set in motion by bootlegger Joe Sr who got his son into office by the mob and Bobby as stupid as everyone else in that rotten family went after them because Joe Sr at that point was completely incapacitated.

Joe Sr. Had his daughter lobotomized. Nice guy. She simply had some learning disabilities because stupid as a Catholic Rose held her in too long and there was an oxygen deficiency to her brain. So Joe destroyed her. People still don't know what actually happened with Monroe but she was causing huge problems for the Kennedys at the time of her death. Mary Jo, Carolyn, her sister. Do you spend your life going around saying 'Duh' R172?

Oh and thank you President Kennedy for the Vietnam War one of the greatest most unnecessary catastrophes in our nation's history.

Read The Dark Side of Camelot. A family history as a horror story.

A friend saw him riding his bike in a some nylon shorts back in the day. Friend told me he was sex on a bike but didn't have a bulge worth mentioning when he was locking up his ride. Figures.

Jack Schlossberg teases a run for Congress in NYC’s gayest neighborhoods

There's a pic of Jack Sloshberg shirtless in the article. She's no JFK Jr.

[quote] And I understand when the Bessett family sued the Kennedys they were put through hell by Ted.

Not true according to the NY Times. I clearly remember their reporting on the post-funeral negotiations and settlements.

Of course, they didn't just come out and declare it as fact, but if you read their reporting, you knew that, between the lines, Caroline Schlossberg knew John was liable and settled generously and quickly with the Bessette family.

I think she settled even before the NTSB report was released.

I'll say this about Schlossberg. Pure speculation on my part but I bet she would have preferred to pay for the NTSB findings to be legally sealed but even her money and position couldn't prevent that.

ooops. ^ but even her money and position couldn't buy that. They would've leaked anyway.

R173- He took and failed the bar exam THREE times at least.

John John should have been called DUMB DUMB.

[quote]He wasn't good at anything and was directionless so he could do nothing except eventually be a politician.

Say, you've given me quite an idea!

[quote] He took and failed the bar exam THREE times at least.

He failed TWICE, not THREE (or more) times. And in his defense, the NY State Bar was at least then one of - if not the - hardest state bars in the country.

I don't think Chappaquiddick is comparable. The anger towards Ted over Chappaquiddick wasn't so much because he crashed, but because he waited so long to contact the emergency services for fear of the impact on his career.

On The Daily Beast podcast the other day, Michael Wolff explained how he had spent a lot of time, over many years with RFK jr. when they were younger (including having to share sleeping accommodations on political campaigns) and spoke about RFK jr's drug and sex addictions which they could all see in real time. Wolf claims that RFK jr's voice is caused by the crack pipe - not by spasmodic dysphonia which has been made up as an excuse to cover the drug use. Wolff says RFK jr. is crazier than a shithouse rat and dangerous.

Poorly experienced as a pilot and the weather wasn’t good at the time. Bad judgment.

Did he get with Carolyn Bessette on the rebound from Sarah Jessica Parker?

Young Jack, in his latest videos excoriating cousin RFK Jr., seems to cropped his hair down to the scalp and gotten his ear pierced.

I’d just discovered Datalounge when the tragic crash happened, summer of ‘99. Be assured, JFK Jr did not go entirely blameless in here!

Read Maureen Callaghan’s “Ask Not” for the scoop on the JFK Jr disasters at the point in his life at the crash. The book is a study of how the Kennedys killed so many women,

Yet Maureen lives?!

An aside— Irish joke: never go near a girl named Siobhan—always bad news!

George was okay but needed a consistent point of view.

With the looming internet, George's timing couldn't be worse.

I get the impression that they didn't even like making love. It was just wham bam thank you ma'am.

Also I read that Joe Sr. would make love to his mistresses in their home very loudly even when Rose was at home even if she had company. If true it would be totally in character. Rose wins Catholic hypocrite of all time which has to be the most competitive field on the planet. At least Joe Sr didn't renounce his daughter Kick when she married a non catholic the way Rose did. But he did have Rosemary's brain turned to scrambled eggs. Kick looked into the procedure and said it was a terrible thing to do. The rumors are Rosemary had developed strong sexual feelings(maybe the prettiest of the Kennedy girls) and he was afraid she would get pregnant or he had sexually abused her and wanted to wipe out all her memories.

It's also true the lobotomies at the time of Rosemary's surgery didn't have the ignominy it would come to have.