Project Runway Season 21 is Here!!!

Not without Tim.

No Tim No care.

I can't believe this thing is still on, it premiered a month after Bush's reelection, for fuck sake. And I say this as a fan who used to watch it religiously and will tune into this season just to see its newest iteration.

These two homos are taking part and I'm already sceptical. I wonder if they'll compete together or separately.

I hate those twin b*tches already.

I just can't warm to Law Roach. I guess he's better than Elaine though. marginally.

No longer a fan and probably won’t watch any further. Too much drama, I suspect , encouraged by the producers. No thanks.

So they keep the same people but Tim. Admittedly, I like Christian as a mentor better, but they should have made Tim a co-host or something.

Forgot it was on.....maybe I'll tape it next week to watch later.

I'm not even going to address the twins in the room, because we all know they're the worst. So glad Yuchen stood up for himself when one of them bullied him. Bitch, he finished ahead of you, why are you even lecturing him?!

Personally, I love the tauter editing so many are complaining about. I spent so much time in the past FF'ing through various portions because they either dragged or were too repetitive, so this is perfect for me. Could have done without the cutesy title cards changing for every bitchy little remark, but whatever.

Law Roach is a lot. Too much, in fact. But still miles better than Elaine.

People are complaining about Heidi's and Nina's new faces. Personally, I don't see much surgery, but I do see Heidi being lit like the sun itself, and then a smoothing filter applied all over the lower portion of her face in post. I studied her forehead as well and noticed she applies a thick layer of reflective cream, to try and reflect as much light as possible. Imagine being this beautiful and still this insecure.

Nina's "new" face. I think it's just the menopause, she seems much the same to me.

Oh, and does every contestant get complimentary veneers now? Literally every one of them has perfect teeth.

Must they ALL be screeching freaks?

I long for the days of Kara Saum and Wendy. Even Austin Scarlett.

And in the old days there'd be at least one hunk, straight or not.

Have you seen this Insta reel of Kenley screeching about being basically raped by Weinsten while Heidi watched?

I exaggerate, but she sounds completely unhinged.

Fashion is secondary now, R13. Conflict draws viewers.

That Law Roach fellow has quite the nerve lecturing someone about having attitude, seeing as how he’s the nastiest bitch to sit on that judging panel since Michael Kors.

And MK was at least funny. LR seems. to have no sense of humor

Watching it on Hulu. Heidi looks like she’s had a full facelift

Wish they brought back Tim Gunn. Maybe he’ll do a guest appearance

Tim really doesn't fit on the show in this ugly mean-spirited version.

Joseph was getting on my last nerve with his "you need to call me JosephMcRae – one word". Bitch, do your branding on your own time. I chuckled every time Heidi referred to him as just Joseph. He also pissed me off with that ridiculous top that barely contained his model's tits and a fucking African headwrap three stories high. She's supposed to go out hiking in that copy of your own outfit, really? How does someone who seems as fit as him not know how women dress for their workout sessions? Does he work out at gay-only gyms or something?

I know many of you miss Tim, but the inconvenient truth is he wasn't the mentor these designers really need because he was himself never a designer. Watch how direct – and ultimately helpful – Christian is when he says he could make something himself in ten minutes. The (relative) youth and being active in the fashion industry also helps. I'll take actual expertise over a generic benevolent presence and the millionth "make it work", sorry not sorry.

[quote]And MK was at least funny. LR seems. to have no sense of humor

MK was also their peer. I'd be pissed as well if a stylist and an "image architect" trashed my design like that in public.

I didn't watch it either-"No Tim-No care" I forgot it was coming back on.

To R13-I agree with you-Kara Saum& Wendy Pepper were talented but HATED each other. I liked Austin Scarlett, he was different!!

Santino was kept on because of all the drama he caused!!

Santino was kept on mostly because so many on the production team wanted to fuck him. Which is also how he landed that Drag Race gig, by the way – Ru found him hot and hired him. People forget just how exotic it was to see a confident masc gay man on TV back then, his appeal was undeniable.

These days, he's a Trump supporter who tweets about the dangers of vaccines non-stop since his account was reinstated after Musk's takeover. Still followed by Obama and HRC, hilariously.

I hate that Law Roach person. What a fucking jerk.

I also hate those two awful twins. Just total assholes.

Agree r23. Never heard of this Law Roach guy. What an asshole

Those twins. Oy. What drama queens

It seems scripted and rehearsed. Are some of these "designers" actors or what?

There is someone out there who funds Santino hot? There is a lid for every pot.

Santino always looks like he stinks of dick cheese.

The shrieking, the hugging (these people met each other five minutes ago), the sobbing. Other than three or four normal people, everyone else is so OVER THE TOP, the twins being the worst. They’re obviously auditioning for their own show. It’s all crammed into 50 minutes and seems so choppy.

Who are the three or four normal people??

Besides everything else I hate the way they film the runway show where everything and everyone appears to be in an overly-lit aquarium. As noted above Heidi looks mega lit and stretched to the max and she's now as bitchy as the other judges, very sad.

Oh - and we have to wait until the next episode to find out who won and who's out?? Puh-leeeeze.

r27 Not necessarily hot, but attractive. And yes, he was still very young and attractive when he was on PR originally. Aged quite quickly after that, though.

Roach needs to be taken down a peg, but I still can't wait for his "I'm not here to look at ugly fucking clothes!" meltdown next episode.

I also hated his cultural appropriation nonsense. He told that Nigerian auntie anecdote, then turned around smugly and asked if anyone on the (non-black) judging panel dared challenge him on that point. And then getting triggered by the kimono as well... Something tells me he didn't like the grandmother excuse, even though the designer clearly has Japanese features.

Kenley was always off balance and in need of meds. Even if she's telling the truth no one really cares because she's so unhinged.

Her crazy ass appeared on two seasons back when the show was good, what the fuck more does she want? Residuals?

Somebody loves Roach:

[quote]Last night, Law Roach made it crystal clear that he’s in. He’s very in. The self-proclaimed “image architect”—known for styling celebrities like Zendaya, Céline Dion, and other A-listers—made his judging debut last night on Project Runway Season 21. And he did it with a splash.

[quote]Look, no one loves watching a designer cry, but there’s something undeniably compelling about Roach’s Simon Cowell-level candor: it’s clear, sharp, and filled with enough meanness to keep things entertaining.

[quote]Project Runway panel calls out 'rude' contestant talking back to Heidi Klum at judging: 'Looked like a big loofah'

The judges went out of his way to taunt him at the next challenge, making a point of telling him in front of everyone that his design was their least favourite, even though his team had won. The producers really want to pit him against his twin brother, hoping to get him to explode in the process.

I don’t understand, when I see current photos of or interviews with Heidi, she looks normal, and like herself. But on this she looks really, really weird. Is it the lighting? Did she demand they run filters on her?

Yeah, she for sure has riders in her new contract that cover both AI filters and extreme lighting. Some are speculating this is also the reason the judges are now to the right of the runway for the first time – because Heidi prefers the left side of her face to be seen on camera.

She also seems to not want to be there very much—she just seems “off” in these first couple of episodes. Maybe It took her some time to get back in the swing of things. Probably doesn’t help that she doesn’t have Tim back, or that she has to sit next to that Law Roach thing.

I agree, she was off the whole time – I caught her glancing to the side at the producers or zoning out while she listened to their instructions in her earpiece, while Nina and Roach were cackling together. She's clearly thrown off by either this new judging panel or just coming back after such a long break.

Heidi Ho sure has that processed look when the camera is directly on her during the fashion show compared to Nina and La' Roach. She has no facial features at all - someone up thread mentioned AI - is this what we have to look forward to in the future? No wrinkles, pores or lines only makes one look more phony. She's 52 and looks good (because she can afford to) but not realistic at all.

All the contestants are Ugo - not a nice looking one in the bunch. And the workroom bitchiness is tiring although Miss Christian does add a bit of humor.

Christian and Nina are the only likeable people on this show.

[quote]is this what we have to look forward to in the future? No wrinkles, pores or lines only makes one look more phony

Yep, it's slowly made its way to TV from apps like TikTok. Reddit is constantly making fun of Aniston for looking inhuman on The Morning Show thanks to maxxed out AI filters.

After watching the first two episodes I can see why they didn't bring Tim back. This PR is so mean spirited there's no room for warmth and compassion. Law, unlike Kors, is nasty without being funny or human. He's unlikable. Heidi is a robot. But Nina is still Nina. The whole thing is a bore but at least the episodes are shorter.

What I hate about people like Law Roach is they lack humility. You can be good at what you do and still be humble. He’s just mean for the sake of being mean. Sooner or later he’ll burn some important bridge that’ll knock him down a few pegs.

Michael Kors is supposed to be back for an episode as a judge. I want to see him wipe the floor with Law.

I want to see what kind of work Kors has had done since he was last on the show.

So, this Roach man? is being vicious& mean for his social media platform. Hopefully, Nina will destroy him, better yet Michael Kors.

In Nina's photo in R11-Miss Thang has "resting Bitch face" down to an art form.

I'm sorry I have to ask, what is Heidi wearing in the photo in R10. Shouldn't Nina or that roach cunt cut it off?

Did Heidi have a mirror available or is she doing a designer a favor?

Mm I don’t think she sounded unhinged R14. She’s dealt with some abuses of power in reality tv world and she’s pissed and feels taken advantage of. I get it, it happens all the time in the entertainment world. And the streaming world is rapidly changing. She was around one of the creepiest assholes to exist, and is now not getting paid after making two seasons of the show, and it sounds like she’s had trouble capitalizing on her tv fame. Not many are capable of dealing with what happens after. She got eaten by the machine and is furious. Unfortunately for her, she’ll get little to nothing from this screed and will be labeled as “difficult.”

To R44-You posted that Nina was "likeable", is the world going to end?

Miss Garcia better sharpen her claws& start attacking the roach.

Then the roach will claim racism on social media!!

Some people just ARE difficult, not everything is a MeToo situation where a woman is being discredited after not opening her legs to an exec. Besides, reality TV revolves around difficult people like Kenley and the twins. It's why they're kept on the show for as long as they are and then asked to return.

R54. No. I said Nina was still Nina. I didn't say she was likable. She's a cunt but a cunt who at least knows what she's talking about. She hasn't changed.

The 2nd challenge was fun! Hey-Suz won and her sister was pissed he wasn't on the winning team. Girl, get over it!

What's with Heidi Ho's Mammary glands all hangin' out like a couple of Cow Udders! At her age, she can't be nursing - maybe it's menopause.

Miss me?

never r58. ne 👏 ver 👆👏

That athleisure challenge was pretty bad. Not one outfit you could actually work out in. And who wants to wear stinky gym clothes on a night out. Like, you’re going to work out, shower, then put your stinky athleisure wear back on to go out for dinner and drinks?

I am just starting episode 1. I ADORED Utica on rpdr! I really hope I don't wind up hating him here. Just ADOOOOOOOORED him.

Whew, still love Utica. that 2namesonly guy should put less effort into his name and more. effort into not designing the staypuft marshmallow guy put through a blender for his poor model. fucking hell.

I am enjoying it so far.

I thought both of Joseph McRae's outfits looked ridiculous on that plus sized gal. Did the designers choose their models or was it done randomly or what?

It seems like they are really trying to make this iteration of the show into Drag Race. And where do they keep finding these sets of mentally unstable twins?

The Tall One - Rapunzel (long Mohawk ponytail) thinks she's a star but the tide will turn and she will be out Toot Sweet pending the next design challenge. This show sucks worse than 10,000 hungry leeches but I love it!

I'm hoping one (or both!) of Heidi Ho's udders flops out when she flounces out in one of those outlandish runway frocks that leaves nothing to the imagination! She still has ' the look' but you can't hold back time and gravity and those girls of hers are itching to make their big debut before it all comes crashing down!

[quote]never [R58]. ne 👏 ver 👆👏

I couldn’t help but notice you used Caucasian hands. That is literal micro aggression violence.

[quote]I thought both of Joseph McRae's outfits…

It’s [bold]JosephMcRae[/bold] on word, Miss Cunt.

The judges keep calling him “Joseph” and you know it’s killing him that they aren’t buying into that “JosephMcRae” bullshit.

R67 - Yea! That's right 'Joey' - so there! And, what's with all this padded shit (s)he keeps putting out. Maybe (s)he's trying to become the next 'Christopher Lowell' of bedding and is using PR to peddle his sleepwear attire. OTOH, it could catch on and be all the rage at those upscale slumber parties hosted by former 'D' list celebs! I'm lookin' at YOU - Kathy Griffin!

Miss McRae should have gone home in the first episode, the outfit was atrocious, but then then wouldn't have had the drama of sending someone home first in two different seasons. Interesting that Miss McRae made basically the same design that wound up in the bottom the first episode, then in the top the next.

Law was a cunt just to be a cunt, at least Michael Kors was witty with his bitchiness.

Having Liris as your model is the "kiss of death."

As usual, the designers with the larger models always end up with the worst designs. And the ones with the stick thin models win.

I really hate Ethan.

That cunt is so full of himself. And I think he's hideously ugly.

I'm happy that Jesus won this last challenge, and shut Ethan the fuck up.

It'll be interesting to see who they choose to be on their teams on the next episode. I'm guessing it might look exactly the same as it is now.

Ethan should keep his boring ass team. They're all a bunch of idiots.

The only one on that team that I like, is Angelo. I find him very attractive. I love that he's so quiet and reserved. And basically the only designer who doesn't make my ears bleed. He also looks like he's probably hung like a horse.

This season seems to be particularly toxic and hateful. It really casts gay people in a bad light, especially because they are just so nasty to each other.

I don't expect them to be best friends, but these mean queens seem like they are literally ready to scratch each other's eyes out. It's very off-putting.

And that Lurch-like creature named Ethan, is leading the pack.

R14 I love her. Call out these hypocritical hoes. Make them pay.

I look so natural for a 52 year old!

I like Ethan too. They always get gays who act like bitchy howler monkeys who make a bunch of basic crap and then go all Faye Dunaway when they get told their stuff sucks. I’d be embarrassed to go on a show like this and make a big deal about how everyone should say my name. I hate that they play up the drama.

They had a watch party at Roscoe's for the premiere.

[quote] I really hate Ethan. That cunt is so full of himself. And I think he's hideously ugly.

[quote] This season seems to be particularly toxic and hateful. It really casts gay people in a bad light, especially because they are just so nasty to each other.

LOL.

Ethan and one of the twins (I forget which, don't care) ganging up on trans foreigner Veejay in the first episode already was not a good look in our current climate, surprised it hasn't gotten more reaction on Reddit. When the twin called her "that thing over there" to Christian I gasped, only to then realise he said "Miss Thing." Phew!

On the other hand, he also went after Yuchen for no reason, so I guess he's just nasty. He bitched about Joan in the confessionals, too.

Show us on the doll where Ethan rejected you, r71,

It's very telling that Angelo is that poster's fave – the quiet, unassuming one who was pretty much absent from the first episode because he's so bland. Listen, I'd prefer to date that type as well, but they don't exactly make for good TV.

Most of the shit could have been designed by a high schooler as a Home Ec project.

This format is so smarmy, especially with acidic queen Law Roach (although I did like him telling Ethan, “you only cared about yourself and didn’t give a shit about anyone else on your team”). Even the captions under someone’s name (glad she’s not in the bottom”) are mean.

I give those twins credit for being the most insufferable contestants I have ever seen on a reality show.

Cristian is the only redeeming component.

Over the last few months I’ve been rewatching old seasons. I’m up to season 13. It’s kind of sad to see what it’s become.

What it's become is pathetic.

Miss Joan is an odd casting choice.

She's 60 years old, while everyone else is in their 20s and 30s.

Second oldest was blonde Casee, who got sent home first. She is 44. And yes, that was a really cruel move. She didn't deserve to get sent home.

The philippino trans is 39! That's an old bitch! Third oldest in the cast.

After that, everyone is between 29 and 35. Not much range there.

Angelo is 35. Ugly Ethan and the greedy guy from koorea are both 29.

I would like to have seen more people in their early 20s, as well as more in their 40s and 50s.

[quote] Most of the shit could have been designed by a high schooler as a Home Ec project.

We miss you already, R80/Tim Gunn

[quote] Most of the shit could have been designed by a high schooler as a Home Ec project.

[quote] We miss you already, R80/Tim Gunn

You just reminded me of Christian Siriano's new line to designers: "My assistant could sew that in 30 minutes."

R84 - the oldsters are thrown in because they’re easy to get rid of. They’re filler.

What happened to white designers on PR? Interesting on how the tables have turned over the years.

Heidi is beginning to resemble BrendaD Ickson with all the fillers and filters.

I was telling a good friend of mine who works as a PR person for one of the big studios about watching the show and how awful and cruel this Law Roach person (who I'd never heard of and figured he hadn't either) but he told me he recently was on a press junket with Roach who was disgustingly and uninvitingly handsy with him. And for context, my friend is very handsome, preppy-ish and straight-acting (though gay).

I don’t mind Ethan, but those histrionic twins are too much.

We're only two episodes in, and I already hate Law Roach.

Time to get rid of this cunt.

His cuntitude may play well in the fashion industry, but it certainly does not play well on television.

I guarantee you, he is not sitting well with viewers. Project Runway needs to dump him. NOW.

I wish the show would just find an intelligent, thoughtful, and decent person from the fashion industry to sit on that judging panel.

I'm sick of cunts.

[quote]I wish the show would just find an intelligent, thoughtful, and decent person from the fashion industry to sit on that judging panel.

I suddenly became available…

R92 - La' Roach is a phony - from the heels of her Hooker Boots to the top of her split end 'stentions'. She ain't worth the energy to even think about her!

If it weren't for PR #21, La' Roach would be non-existent.

More like, if it weren't for Zendaya.

R95 - Did you mean Zoloft? Never heard of a 'Zendaya'.

The loser twin from the winning team being told his look was the worst as he was exiting the runway was fabulous. Don't fuck with the judges.

Law Roach's nasty behavior reflects poorly on Zendaya, his BFF. You are defined by the company you keep.

I like when Law Roach comments on something she tilts her head to accentuate her long, lovely hair.

Minority Report: I like Law Roach on this. He adds a lot of interest to this stale, old show.

You enjoy the cruelty and humiliation, r100?

I like how Law Roach tilts his head like, bitch, you gonna disagree? He’s just so full of himself. It’s not like his job is rocket science. You dress stick-thin celebrities in nice designer clothes and match their accessories.

To R98, not in the era of social media, even bad publicity is good publicity for all these media whores.

Just look at all the Karthashwhorians!!

How many more of these damn team challenges are they going to have?

R104, since the show has abandoned the idea of producing real fashion in favor of manufactured conflict, team challenges will continue, since they are the chief source of battles and hard feelings.

Angelo needs to go home. If I hear one more "I need this for my kid" I'm going to scream. Having said that, his veiny forearms are incredible.

Ethan's "design" was shockingly bad. That denim was so tortured, I could almost hear the garment screaming in pain. This wouldn't even be a showstopper on Drag Race, yet you want to pass it off as one on Project Runway? And he genuinely thought he was cooking too, which was the most incredible part. Roach was in the right for getting pissed off, that whole collection was offensively ugly. How difficult is just to make something tacky for a B-lister infamous for her tackiness?

The way they forced the poor editors to not show a single one of the bottom three in next episode's preview was cruel. Just show us the damn elimination, no one's going to tune in next week because of this suspense alone.

No one knows who Law Roach is? Good lord is the PR fandom less gay? Have you not seen Legendary on HBO Max. BALLROOM darling. Law is one the highest paid stylists in LA and yes he created Zendeya's look. She was his first big client and he had remained loyal to her. He knows his shit and yes he is a bitch. Also he was a judge on Drag Race last season....

I guess Roscoe's is doing these viewing parties for as long as Utica is competing.

She says the producers later told them that Vergara might wear the winning design, but that it wasn't the focus of the challenge. Heidi on GMA (wearing Belania's design) apparently said the same thing, i.e. that Vergara wanted to opt out if she found all of the designs ugly. So it was a bit weird to judge them on something that was supposed to be incidental to the main challenge.

[quote] Also he was a judge on Drag Race last season....

Oh well, then everyone bow down to this self-important nobody!!

You have to realize than Ethan/Utica is trained for reality TV war after coming from drag race...Which probably has the most toxic fan base of any reality TV

Ethan was my early favorite but wtf was that mess he chose to walk down the runway? I think he may stay but that was crap. NOT A FAN of having to wait until next week to see who walks out of the competition. People will stop watching for bullshit like that.

I think they made a mistake focusing so much on Ethan. Annoying and apparently a shitty designer.

How can they not focus on him, he's so LOUD and now also in drag. I laughed when the other designers interrupted his little entrance speech and he had to redo it. Guess this is just what happens when you cast a drag queen.

It’s annoying to have to wait for the next episode to find out who gets the old “auf wiedersehen” from Heidi.

On Season One, PR was nominated for an Emmy and Heidi was supposed to wear a Dress made by Jay, the winner. They worked on it together and then Heidi went radio slient. She then called Jay and said she was not going to wear it on the Emmys. It was funny; Jay watched the Emmys from his sad apartment with the dress draped across the chair.

Heidi wore a creation from contestant Belania to a GMA appearance this week.

Nothing will ever top season one. Wendy clawing her way to the finals (may she rest in peace), Kara getting a big head and getting the villain edit at the end and Jay staying real throughout the whole thing.

R116. That looks like the dress Rachel threw together in The Trouble With Angels before Mother Superior stepped in.

r116 So she's just spoiling away future episodes now? Or did Belania design that outside the show?

R119, it was some PR/GMA couture challenge among the contestants to design a dress for her. Belania, Ethan and Jesus participated. Belania won the challenge, and Heidi wore the dress at R116 to her GMA appearance this week.

Law hasn’t seen Belania’s look before? He’s never seen Gaultier?

To R117-You're absolutely fucking correct!!

Jay telling Wendy "This isn't Fashion Survivor"& Wendy giving Jay the "Hold my Beer Bitch" look this is how you win!!

Kara Saun getting her "custom made shoes" made& then allowed to use them at the final runway. Her clothes flopped because everyone saw them already in the Aviator movie with the ripoff Gucci clothes-belt.

In the Entertainment tonight challenge, Nancy O'Dell told the panel that of all the dresses, she liked Wendy's dress because she's photographed from the waist up& she could tweak it. Plus, she liked the color, then Nina made that face. She said Austin's was perfect for the Oscars but not the Emmys & she didn't like Kara Saun's dress.

Honestly, Ethan should go. What the fuck was that outfit? Really, he just makes drag outfits. The old lady’s dress looked like a car wash. I was waiting for Heidi to say that. I think they’ll turf Alejandro though.

R122. And crazy model MORGAN!!!!! Now I have to rewatch season one again because I'm feeling nostalgic for Austin's dazzling cornhusk dress. Back when the designers were truly inventive.

^^^great dress BTW^^^

R122, two slight corrections. Kara did use the shoes but the judges weren't allowed to consider them in the judging. And her Grammy outfit wasn't a dress but a shift over pants. If it had been a dress it might have been better. Tim accurately noted that the proportions were off because the top was slim and the pants were wide.

I think they're sending all three home.

WHET to criticizing the designers for making " costumes," not "fashion"? Ethan must go. Not only was that monstrosity hideous, but he was the leader of the team that produced monstronsities.

Ethan absolutely isn't going anywhere after his performance in the first two challenges. They're gonna send Angelo home and that'll be that.

Recap of episode 3

r130 Je'Kayla needs to learn the difference between reign and rein. Literally the first thing you see when you open that article.

She writes "a part of" as "apart of" as well. Get it together, girl! On the other hand, at least I know that wasn't written by AI.

I'm always gooped when I see designers' real names in these articles. Madeline Malenfant is such a cool name, I'd want to be named like that if I were a frau. Pronounced the French way, of course.

The Tall One with the Mohawk ponytail is extremely unpleasant looking and is even more frightening with all those closeups. That black drag outfit (s)he wore was horrible so I guess if the look fits the wearer, then it was a success.

The one with the Leaning Tower of Pisa hair seems talented and has a good attitude - she may be the dark horse of the competition.

Finally, did Sofia Vergara have a lip transplant? They're so big she could blow a whole football team all at once and not even smear her lip gloss. The girl is endless in her talents as an entertainer.

Sofia's always had big lips and she accentuates them like crazy as well.

People are saying Heidi got a boob job in addition to whatever she's done to her face. If not a new pair, then definitely a lift job.

JosephM should have gotten a shout-out from the judges because that was a gorgeous creation. Bye Angelo.

R134 - If Heidi Ho got a boob job she got rooked. They sag like two 20lb bags of bird seed - ain't nobody gonna be peckin' around those saggy lobes!

I will say she is well lit when the camera is pointed in her direction. I often wonder if she dresses like a trollop at home like she does in public.

I hope the old lady doesn’t go home yet. She should have been more forceful and not done that fringe shit the drag queen wanted her to do.

I truly don't know which was worse – Angelo's pointy hips (when was that ever fashionable?!), Joan's shredded garbage fringe, or Ethan's delusion until the very end that his outfit would "stop the show".

So in a way, I understand the judges' dilemma. But if you take previous challenges into account, it's hands down Angelo's time to go home.

I'm glad Joan ratted out Ethan. Good for her. He fucked up and he should go home.

Showstopper is not a theme and the finge dress lady should have just said no fuck you. They all should have done tailored Demin looks not that fringy thready mess and yeah what the fuck was Utica's? It looked like a bottle opener like Heidi Said.

She also should have listened to Christian who said point blank denim fringe was ugly and not fashionable, if it ever was to begin with. Look how Yuchen pulled it off after Christian intervened.

"Do you know how many denim fringe jackets have come down this runway over the years? Just. No" Christian.

[quote]Finally, did Sofia Vergara have a lip transplant? They're so big she could blow a whole football team all at once and not even smear her lip gloss. The girl is endless in her talents as an entertainer.

Could? How about [bold] has blown[/bold] a whole football team all at once…

Isn't Heidi Ho married to that young C list rock star?

Not that young anymore (35). But yes, he was once a young pop star in Germany. She went back to homemade sausage after she was done with the Nigerian-Brazilian one.

Is the Filipina trans?

Yes.

Oh god, the Project Runway Reddit has been overrun with RPDR fans who lurve Ethan and Law Roach and won’t tolerate any criticism of either. Theres one devotee who keeps posting that it wasn’t Ethan’s fault he did poorly as leader because the producers forced it on him, he didn’t volunteer!! Episode was a shitshow. “Showstopper…with fringe”. Not a cohesive theme.

Next week is the unconventional materials challenge (and no teams). It will be showcased as Ethan’s Comeback, bet on it.

Just praying that Kylie Minogue filmed a guest-judge episode whilst in the US!

Madeline Malenfant from Nantucket is the most sophisticated. Design school graduate?

Joseph McRae is clever but one note.

Why did they let Caycee Black back on the show? Seems cruel.

The Estradas are glamour and old school. Very old school. And as humans very annoying. A little goes a long way.

Too bad at the Utica character. He seems to have sang froid so I perhaps is a more interesting person than designer.

[quote]Dannii, who is too busy helping boys kiss

How can one ever be too busy helping boys kiss?

R64 word to the wise, it’s “tout suite”.

Madeline is the only one I’m really interested in. The Chinese guy stood up to Jesus which is good. I’m not really into his street style although I like what he’s made so far on the show.

[quote]Season 21 of Project Runway is lucky that celebrity stylist and image architect Law Roach is no longer semi-retired, because every competition series' judges' panel needs a villain.

[quote]He speaks with an authority that has been earned, and while other judges are free to play it safe with banal observations, Roach doesn't let the competing designers off the hook. Instead, he speaks to them as other fashion professionals seeking perfection at every moment would, without mercy. If that makes the stylist Project Runway's villain this season, so be it.

In case you haven't seen the abortion from Utica:

As one observer noted: " It seems like The Real Housewives of Parsons." Also, is Nina allowed to speak or is she just over this mess?

R156. Nina is already MIA. This Foster chick is a bore.

Law Roach has that same “proud” “Jackson 5” nose as Beyonce!

I missed ep 1 and tried to watch ep 2. Unwatchable. And the judges are insane.

The biggest winner of this season - Tim Gunn.

I like Law Roach. He’s a cunt and he’s funny. DL is one of the cuntiest places on the planet, and Law would fit right in here. I find it terribly ironic how you’re all excoriating him in exactly the same language, attitude, and demeanor he uses on the show.

It’s just that his criticism of a garment is basic? One level above I like/hate it. Also he has Main Character syndrome with all his quips and asides. He’s feeding the twins drama so the show becomes about that.

[quote]Also he has Main Character syndrome with all his quips and asides.

Very much this. I could see the Nina replacement judge this week getting annoyed when he kept finishing her sentences. Same for Vergara, whose face then turned to stone when he brought up (of course) Zendaya. You *never* bring up a higher-level celeb when you have a celeb on as a guest judge, that's just basic courtesy.

The show (ep 2) felt very claustrophobic and truncated to me. I didn’t sense any design process.

Lots of tits on display which seemed kind of sad.

Any point in watching more?

Law Roach and Nina are the only ones on the judging panel with any fashion sense. Heidi is a joke. Even Alyssa Milano had better fashion sense than her.

The show has been truncated from 90 minutes, so there is no time for design development, especially since Disney has chosen conflict over fashion. No reason to watch unless you are a fan of the "Women behaving badly" type programming.

Aside from his generally foul attitude, Roach doesn’t offer substantive or constructive criticism.

“I hated it”, “It’s ugly”, “I’m pissed off” offer nothing of value the designers can use to improve their looks.

Even when he likes something, he can’t critique it properly; “You shut me up”, “No notes”. Yes, there should be notes. As a judge, he should be able to articulate exactly how a designer’s vision was executed such that they produced a successful look. This is as important to a designer as explaining how a look failed.

Maybe his judging will improve over the season, but so far he comes off as a phony and a hack.

Utica is a goddamned stupid name. It makes me think or a UTI or a brand of catheter (as well as the city in NY).

"Don't piss on me and try to tell me it's raining."

Eloquence maketh the she-man.

R169 Exactly.

What’s a designer supposed to do with that “brilliant” witticism?

[quote]What’s a designer supposed to do with that “brilliant” witticism?

Piss on him and tell him it's piss?

R171 Now that would be a different show altogether 😛

And certainly more entertaining than this season, R172.

This writer loves it.

In another post he points out the conflicting messages in that episode. Sofia V might wear it. (I love how he pointed out, where it WHERE? to the laundromat?) Then, no don’t worry about Sofia wearing it, do your own thing. Then, Heidi: “do you see Sofia wearing that?”

In the past—because I’m sure this shit happened all the time—were designers were too intimidated to call it out? Maybe because Ethan works in another field he’s not.

I believe a designer did call the judges out once for sending conflicting messages. He was within the last 5 years and was exasperated if my memory serves me.

[quote] Don't piss on me and try to tell me it's raining

Michael Kors and Zach Posen would never say this.

From r174

[quote] The show itself is just as shady, with the lower thirds keep the library open with perpetual reads of the designers and commentary on the proceedings.

Can someone translate?

R177, Posen would have drunk the piss and loved it.

I thought Michael Kors was going to be a judge this season?

Sadly, just as a guest judge in one episode.

Does anyone know who the woman guest judge is, she’s been on two episodes but hasn’t contributed much except I’d wear that.

Zac Posen was very very bitchy. At least Law does it to their faces. Zac had this "I am so better than you." attitude with every word he muttered. Meanwhile, House of Z was going out of business.

He was bitchy but not crass.

Zac was condescending, which was worse.

Zac's company imploded, while Michael's exploded beyond all hopes and dreams.

Zac tried too hard to imitate Kors at first but he came off as mean and condescending. Later he stuck to actual criticism and was more tolerable. Apparently Tim disliked him but Zac was responsible for getting a closer look at the outfits. He was going up to the models off camera to see them, since with the terrible tv lighting, the judges can’t see them clearly any more than the viewers at home.

[quote] Honestly, Ethan should go. What the fuck was that outfit? Really, he just makes drag outfits. The old lady’s dress looked like a car wash. I was waiting for Heidi to say that.

I loved seeing Ugly Ethan get his comeuppance!!

That creature really thought he was untouchable. Turns out, he made one of the UGLIEST designs so far this season.

The minute it walked across the runway, I knew it was in the bottom. Badly designed, badly constructed, and horribly ill-fitting.

Oh, and now I know why Ethan does drag. To hide his hideous face and personality, while screaming for attention. Look at meeeeeee!!!!!

Ugly Ethan should go home. It was his team, ALL his concept, and ALL his decision. The blame falls squarely on ETHAN.

However, I already know how this is going to play out.

Joan will get the blame because she's old. She spoke up and said she didn't like the design she was given. Ethan shouted her down. But the judges will say, well then that's your fault. When in reality, Ethan basically gave her no choice.

This show is so predictable.

The older contestants are always disposable, and the toxic loud mouths always stay until the end.

Ugh.

Malenfant means, "Bad child".

Kenley is still ranting on her Instagram. She’s got a point, twenty seasons are streaming endlessly and the designers don’t get a penny. It was always rotten that they’d do an outfit for Heidi’s lingerie line or someone’s bathing suit line or to be sold at Macy’s etc etc and all the designer took home was the glory of winning.

Anyway, she says Chris March was the one who came up with the idea for the drag version of Project Runway, talked the producers into it, he lined up all the drag queens and then they took it away from him and gave it to RuPaul.

She also said PR “supported” Christian after he won. Not just the usual prize stuff but extra support that no other winner got. He’s always said it was his Payless Shoe deal and how he was willing to “go low” in order to get the money to do bigger things.

[quote]he lined up all the drag queens and then they took it away from him and gave it to RuPaul.

Wow, I had no idea. And to add insult to injury, they cast Santino as the judge!

He's dead though, so I don't know how much of this is true, she could just be making it up.

Who's dead, R190?

Chris March. Do try and keep up.

The best judge's line this season so far was when Heidi said Ethan's big loop structure looked like her beer bottle opener.

Kenley is a cat-throwing psycho, so I would take her words with a grain of salt.

[quote] Joan will get the blame because she's old. She spoke up and said she didn't like the design she was given.

It was HER design.

People are tripping over themselves to knock Ethan, but Joan is old enough to own her mistakes to have insisted on the better of her designs.

Kenley kind of needs to stfu about some aspects of PR. More designers have probably benefitted from it than not. How many would have gotten the exposure otherwise? I’m sure they all think they’re the next biggest thing in fashion, but reality would say otherwise. Very few designers reach any sort of fame, and it’s fleeting. Fashion has always been about the next thing, and so you need to be able to do more than just make nice clothes. But if you can, then PR probably helps you find a wider market if nothing else. We wouldn’t even know who Kenley is if not for PR.

Let's be honest (to quote Michael Kors) would any know who Kenley was if she was not on PR? Nuff Said.

I definitely watched her season but for the life of me I have no idea who Kenley is.

All I remember of her is she sounded like Betheny Frankel - a whiney bitch and she made a couture dress that was a literal mermaid costume then complained when no one liked it. P.S. it was awful.

The dress

She was the one who looked like a Great Value Bettie Page knockoff and kept making the same retro dress over and over again.

Remember Daniel and Wesley?

Daniel and Wesley are still together... I remember Wesley because they used to show him in the bedroom ironing his clothes while only wearing briefs. Bummer that he was eliminated so early.

Are you sure they're still together? Neither of their socials would indicate that.

Daniel, he always had a confused look on his face like he wasn’t really sure where he was.

they are very cute without being handsome.

Ethan's collection was definitely a shop stopper.

The judges just wanted his show to STOP.

They were completely horrified by his team's awful designs.

Mission accomplished, Uticunt!

Now you and your redneck mullet can just sashay.... away.

Tonight (or tomorrow when most people will watch it) the Unconventional Materials challenge. Another gimmick to prevent us from seeing what individual designers can do.

PR secrets they never show.

I actually like the unconventional materials challenge.

I just wish it came a couple episodes later. I want to see a clearly defined challenge that doesn’t involve teams or weird restrictions.

btw, Yuchen and Veejay are doing recaps on YouTube (the latest one gives away who’s going home tonight but it’s no surprise) I don’t remember contestants doing video recaps before (but then I didn’t seek them out. Now I’m basically hate watching so I don’t care). Have the NDAs been relaxed? There are some interesting behind the scenes details but there’s also a lot of stuff that can be fast-forwarded through. They are laughing and having a good time together though and they don’t diss any of the other designers although they are critical of some outfits (and show photos thank god).

VeeJay. Does he know his name sounds like a vaginas? I know he's Filippina so maybe it's a cultural thing. But still.

This show is a mess. They keep changing the rules.

[quote]One fan argued that these tweaks make the show feel like a shell of its former self. "Every episode feels like a trailer," they wrote. "No thanks."

Rundown of episode 4.

This cliffhanger-style elimination bullshit is for the birds. Whose idea was it to have to wait to see who's shown the door? It's stupid. Did Heidi call in sick for this episode? Did the actual runway get flooded or something? The runway in the workroom? WHAT is going on with this show? I like Yuchen, but that soccer ball outfit was not hot. Imagine if he had one of those PLUS sized models.

Having the Survivor type elimination only reinforces the fact that the results are not about fashion, but by establishing cliques and voting for friends or against perceived rivals. It's pure crap, as the show is this year.

Yeah, I knew who they’d auf who they did.

How did this monstrous abortion not get eliminated?

Right? ^

And then this new episode the set up this dramatic cliffhanger involving the twins. Never mind Law putting people on the bottom for how they styled a look. “It was one of my favorite looks, but gurrrrllll, those boots from the Belk wall!?”

He's a " stylist," not a designer. That's what you get when you only have one judge. You'd think they could have hired a real designer if Nina and Heidi ( who also knows nothing about designing) were going to be MIA. Maybe, everyone with any credibility knew what a shitshow this program had become, so they begged off. Years ago, they used to have credible guest designers.

I'm glad Antonio didn't fake hug Ethan after he got eliminated. I liked Antonio and he knows who should have gone home.

Delaying the elimination is the only way the producers can hope to get the viewers to turn into the next episode. Meanwhile, they hope there will be serious "water cooler discussion" about who should get eliminated.

Having only one judge and the runway show in the workroom feels so low budget and phoned in...and then forcing the designers to auf someone themselves, without any warning? This is one big HOT TRANNY MESS, as Christian used to say!

[quote]Meanwhile, they hope there will be serious "water cooler discussion" about who should get eliminated.

I do not think we hang out near the same water coolers.

If I were to even mention the show at work, the reaction would be "that show's still on?"

I loved Veejay’shuttlecock dress and i think it should've won. I think everyone did a fine job.

I loved that pink triangle coat and Ethan’s butterflies.

They need to get rid of the fat models.

[quote]I loved Veejay’shuttlecock dress

You mean the one Law called the " cockring dress"? I'm sure he thought it was funny.

Law said 'i have no idea which designer is responsible for which garment' a few too many times which leads me to believe he did know and he targeted one of the twins. I don't think they'll send Joan home because she's nice and not a threat. Bye JosephMACRAE.

I kinda liked Joan's popsicle stick dress.

R231. Me too. Very well constructed and, if anything, she should have been safe. The winner was a real head scratcher.

Heidi in the promos has frequently mentioned how they’re CHANGING EVERYTHING UP and yet everyone’s first reaction to only one judge and the runway in the workroom is: Who canceled at the last minute? Did Nina quit because the show is trash now? In addition to: The judges are sitting on the wrong side! Lol.

It’s already being spoiled re elimination…or maybe the producers are encouraging leaks now, trying to drum up enthusiasm.

" They're changing everything up." Like presenting drama in lieu of fashion, letting contestants vote off one another, cutting the show down to essentially 40 minutes, and alienating the people who hold the show's fate in their hands? Great changes, Heidi. What hasn't changed, however, is the fact that ( just proven by what you wear, Ms. Klum) you have no concept of fashion nor any self- awareness.

Watching Project Runway makes me more desperate for the beginning of the Great British Bake-Off and An Extra Slice.

This pains me. I’ve watched every season of PR, and have even been rewatching some seasons lately…but this “new” version is just awful.

Okay Ethan has said that the group refused to vote anyone off (isn’t that the judges job?) and the production crew stood over them, like threatening.

Assholes.

Creative twists at Reddit. The next challenge is apparently a companion piece to the crap they made this week. (Smart designers would ignore that and make something better). So someone speculated that due to the weird runway and one judge that this isn’t really finished and that Yuchen will be teamed up with the loser and the rest in teams of two and they have to make this companion piece and -then- it will be a full on runway with three judges and the actors from Abbot Elementary. Something like that.

Ethan should have gone home. Self-centered, self indulgent, talentless drone.

I watch the beginning and the fashion presentation. thats it. all the stuff in the middle sucks.

The tall one (Ichabod Crane) thinks she's gods gift to fashion but she is deluding herself. The one who won this challenge (is Ping Pong her name?) should have gone home. That Ball outfit was hideous.

Yeah, he cut up balls and stuck them on his model. The fact that he wons shows what a joke this season is.

the other ball outfit by one of the twins was much more striking and accomplished. But the chinese guys ball number was slap dash and sexy and a bit punk so yeah it was fashion.

Let's play a game!

FUCK: Jesus and Antonio

MARRY: Yuchen

KILL: Ethan (a/k/a Fumble-ina)

If Ethan wasn't sent home for that abortion ( Someone on the panel said it looked like a baby was crowning), then all bets are off. It has been a trend in recent years to present shit in the name of fashion and call it " modern." Shame on Nina for endorsing this charade; she knows better.

Is Law trans?

Before I saw where they were all going with the materials, I said I'd cut out "tiles" from the red balls and make a dress. The one twin did that and looked great. The other twin made a hot mess (worse than Utica's last week as far as I'm concerned). I don't understand the hate for Utica/Ethan. We're about halfway through and she's done some of the best stuff...except for last week.

Fumblina is supposed to make couture, not drag outfits.

Former unconventional materials fashion.

Another that just shows that this season is not about fashion.

In the past they’ve had two days for this challenge.

Sorry if these are spoilers so be warned

The butterfly dress was stunning but did the hairdresser do the headpiece? That seemed unfair. Ditto Utica “finding” butterfly’s which apparently happened off camera.

The crying at the end. Oh my Gid. And Law is funny to me but he judged them on their styling which was not part of the challenge.

The captions make me laugh because they are demonic. The formula is setting it up for more conflict since we know who is going. At least it’s creative.

Someone in Heidi's immediate family must have died, or she needed an emergency boobjob. There's no other explanation for what we got in this episode. A fashion show in the workroom, judged by a single person who is a stylist? No.

And the results were entirely predictable when you have that setup – an unwearable garment that only someone like Gaga could pull off on a red carpet won, and someone landed in the bottom solely because of their styling choices, despite the judge liking their design. I bet Christian was cringing inside. I also don't understand what was so wrong about those denim shoes that triggered Roach so much. Yeah, they were ugly, but the blue complemented the pink perfectly.

Having said all that, I love the drama of the designers voting each other off. Which I suppose is exactly why they chose this twist.

Christian was phoning it in when he was walking around the workroom. "Oh, no! Will you ever finish in time?"

True, but he couldn't ride their ass as hard in a UM challenge, he knows how difficult those are already without someone smartassing to you about how basic your design is.

[quote]Watching Project Runway makes me more desperate for the beginning of the Great British Bake-Off and An Extra Slice.

The Great Australian Bake Off is airing now. I've been catching up on previous seasons and I find it just as enjoyable as the UK version.

Where did the butterflies come from? Jina? Mossad sent them via Jewish Space Lasers?

Christian is kind of terrible on this. He doesn’t have the appeal or camera ability of Tim. Heidi seems underpowered, depressed, and dimmed. She’s clearly nonplussed by not having Tim there, like she’s unprotected from the producers. The producers seem totally at sea. The magic is really gone at this point.

This show is a slog - at least Christian adds a bit of humor/spice during the workroom escapades although he seems a bit bored in general.

La' Roach adds nothing and the workroom 'runway' was a cop out. Have Heidi Ho, Nina and the 'other one' bailed on this Titanic of a design show?

Not sure how many total episodes for season 21 but until the tall one with the two bag face is gone, I won't be tuning in.

In past years, Yuchen would have been on the bottom for doing what he did. While it was a “look”, it wasn’t unconventional materials made to look conventional. He cut up soccer balls and stuck them on his model, making her like an extra from Barbarella. There was zero creativity.

Law is such a petty bitch - putting someone in the bottom even though he liked the dress, but because of the boots? Yeah the boots were ugly, but it's not Project Stylist. Do we even see them talking about the styling this season? Maybe there's nothing better to select from the Temu Accessories Wall or whatever they have now.

And then they don't even explain why there are no other judges? How are you supposed to take this competition seriously when everything is so half assed?

Producers think that they have hit the jackpot with the selection of Law to be the modern Kors, because he checks all the boxes - controversial, petty, black, gay, celebrity connected. But, there are significant differences: Kors was a designer, Law is not; Law seems to criticize in order to satisfy his need to feel important, Kors didn't need that attention; Kors was funny, Law is definitely not.

The screams from the cast when he came backstage to give them the challenge! And when he walked in as the sole judge. Like, girls, he hasn’t discovered a cure for cancer.

Do you remember (regular) Project Runway when the judges were introduced after Heidi’s canned little speech? It was an exhausted drone “hi Nina” or just “hiiiiii”. I swear they used the same clip every time because it always sounded the same.

[quote]Do you remember (regular) Project Runway when the judges were introduced after Heidi’s canned little speech? It was an exhausted drone “hi Nina” or just “hiiiiii”. I swear they used the same clip every time because it always sounded the same.

Yes, they've dispatched with all that superfluous shit now, as well as with the deliberations where the judges would repeat what we just heard minutes ago when they were saying the exact same things to the designers. I enjoy this sharper format, personally.

Freeform has ruined the show. It's so bad that it makes me pine for the days of the "Red Robin Bottomless Fries" challenge when the show was on Lifetime.

[quote] The screams from the cast when he came backstage to give them the challenge! And when he walked in as the sole judge. Like, girls, he hasn’t discovered a cure for cancer

I noticed that too and I hate it on this show and others. Grown people screaming when a person they probably saw a few hours before walks on stage or into a room is just ridiculous.

And I wish everyone would stop with the little namaste hand clasp. 🙏🏻

I hate when people bow down. Cringy.

I wish one of the "designers" had the balls to confront Law and ask WTF. He's judging on styling, not design. This is clothing design. Yes, styling is important. Knowing what to choose from the Dollar General Accessories Shelf and the correct hair and makeup from the Curl Up and Dye Water Closet and Ulta Dumpster Out Back are important. But it is the FUCKING CLOTHES, you pinched-face delusional Marvel Ann.

No designer from this season is going anywhere after the final episode.

[quote]Do you remember (regular) Project Runway when the judges were introduced after Heidi’s canned little speech? It was an exhausted drone “hi Nina” or just “hiiiiii”. I swear they used the same clip every time because it always sounded the same.

That pales in comparison to what Alyssa Milano had to say/grovel on PR All Stars: …the lovely, gorgeous, vivacious, delightful Mrs. Harvey Weinstein, errrr I mean Georgina Chapman”.

I really like Utica but I'm rethinking that. He said Joan should go and I think it was solely because she has his number

r268 That was so gross, as was that Kushnerite on the judging panel. Those were the dark, dark days of PR.

Project Runway Bingo

Tim Gun exposes Weinstein organization contestant contracts and the lying.

Tim blasts Gretchen

No more linebacker looks. Darn!

Of course Heidi likes Antonio’s stripper looks that show off your wedge.

The only positive thing I can say about this show now, is that Jenna Lyons should be a full time judge on Project Runway.

She's serious about the actual fashion, and her comments are thoughtful and insightful.

Even more so than Nina Garcia, who is just phoning it in at this point.

Yeah, Jenna Lyons was awesome. Confidence backed up with knowledge and experience. Everyone is praising her.

Ethan revealed that Heidi called in sick the previous day, hence the workroom runway. She was actually spotted doing a photoshoot that day, so she obviously lied. And because Heidi wasn't there, Nina said she wasn't coming in either. The producers then made the designers vote each other out because they weren't comfortable with a single-judge elimination. The designers rebelled, but the producers intimidated them into doing it in the end.

Whoever wrote "Miss Jone" is ESL, so that was either Yuchen, Veejay, or Jesus.

Joseph is delusional, he really thought they were voting him out because they were threatened by him? He probably thought this was Drag Race, what with his endless facial mugging and quips. Gurl, less attitude and more talent, please.

Heidi is fully back now, she was all smiles and laughs this episode. Good for her, but she has terrible, terrible taste. And I don't give a shit what your has-been husband likes, dear.

So, now that AJLT is dead, this is THE show to hate watch here?

Can't wait for the unpredictable moment when SJP will be called upon to guest judge.

Another vote for Jenna. Constructive but never mean or unkind. I'm glad Veejay won.

The way Veejay kept repeating the word "challenge" so many times close together almost led to that phenomenon where the word loses all meaning. "You two should take it as a challenge to challenge yourself to work separately for this challenge." Her accent is crazy. Seriously, rewatch the scene at the start where the twins are glaring at her across the table for daring to propose they work separately.

The way Roach shot down Nina when she suggested Belania had great personal style... oof! And this was during the deliberation segment, which I thought we lost for good this season.

Some thirsty fucking twink as a guest judge next episode, who is he?

Veejay is a fucking CUNT.

PERIOD.

Veejay doesn’t have a cunt OR a period. But she is truly a cunt. But so are those twins.

I like Ms. Joan and Belania, personality wise, but everyone else is terrible.

I just want to see nice, creative clothes. I don’t need all this Drag Race style bitching and plotting.

I think it’s why I’m enjoying bingeing Great British Sewing Bee. Everyone is nice and lovely.

There's so much needless drama. Why did Belania have to fit a fat alt model? Why didn't she just get someone else's alt who was closer to her sick model's measurements?

[quote] There's so much needless drama. Why did Belania have to fit a fat alt model?

Sabotage, to make sure hot tranny mess Uticunt survives another week, along with Ladyboy Veejina.

Why aren't there more drag queens on PR? Siriano responds:

[quote]“Drag is also performance, costumes,” the Season 4 winner tells Parade in an exclusive interview. “It’s not real fashion that customers would buy, if you want to create a real fashion brand. "

[quote]What about the guest judges? Anyone stand out to you in particular? Actually having Tyra as a judge. I don’t think Tyra has ever been a guest judge. I’m pretty sure she hasn’t. And having Tyra and Heidi together was amazing because they’re the old school Victoria’s Secret Angels. And also to have her, who also judged a show for so long. So that was amazing to watch. Her dynamic was crazy and so great. And I loved having Michael back. Michael hasn’t been a judge in a really long time, and I think it was awesome to have him back. It’s a good, good group. We have some comedians, and we have some really, really good designers, too. That is, I think, always really important to have for the designers. I like to hear judging from real designers. I know it’s not that exciting to the audience sometimes, but I think it’s important.

[quote] I wish the show would just find an intelligent, thoughtful, and decent person from the fashion industry to sit on that judging panel.

Jenna Lyons.

[quote]I wish the show would just find an intelligent, thoughtful, and decent person from the fashion industry to sit on that judging panel.

They had me, then they blew it.

They should have gotten Jenna Lyons as the third permanent judge instead of Law, but I can’t see Heidi and Nina agreeing to that.

Can't have an all-woman panel for the season, although, what they have now certainly indicates that they do.

Hey, at least it’s not Ross Matthews.

The more they cheapen the brand with every new incarnation, the less likely it is that any serious industry professional would choose to be associated with the show.

[quote] The more they cheapen the brand with every new incarnation, the less likely it is that any serious industry professional would choose to be associated with the show.

Not only that, but the winner won't be taken seriously.

When Ashley won, I think most people completely dismissed her because she was such a horrible designer. And it also erased any credibility that the judges had. But I also think that Ashley was just one of many designers who didn't deserve to win.

I can only think of two designers who actually made a name for themselves in the fashion world: Christian Siriano and Michael Costello.

[quote] Can't have an all-woman panel for the season, although, what they have now certainly indicates that they do.

Not only that, but they're three women in their 50s.

As much as I love Nina and Jenna, I think the show would be criticized for not having a youthful perspective on the judging panel.

I think that's why Law Roach is there. He's a stylist for a lot of hot, young actresses, so I think that he has some credibility in the fashion world, as far as having a "modern" point of view, and knowing current fashion trends.

What's with La' Roache and the oversized 'menswear' he was sporting this episode? Has (s)he been downing Ozepic shakes to reduce his/her girth or is the shrunken look now the latest fashion trend?

The one who was snippy with La' Roache deserved a pass since the model she was working with was sick.

The tall ugly one is really scary looking - they need to limit the close-ups on that gargoyle. I bet she sleeps in her drag regalia too!

This episode stunk - that one with the Heidi braids (not Hieidi Ho in the black Hefty wrap) is going home. Her outfit was horrible - the one who made the black dress w/the red accent down the back was very nice. They all liked that one - even the guest judge who was dressed like a man. Was Ms. Roache trying to out drag her or is the show turning into Drag Kings - The Sewing Room Knows All.

Only 25 more episodes and it's O-V-E-R!

Miss Roach, before she transitioned.

Oh, so that stupid fucking microstache goes way back, then.

[quote] Law Roach Has Some Advice for Young Designers

Law Roach called up our senior editor Taylore Scarabelli ahead of the premiere of OMG Fashion, a new E! competition series in which the image architect co-stars opposite the actor and muse Julia Fox, to discuss sustainability, The Met Gala, and judging young designers.

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SCARABELLI: Did you have any favorite fashion shows growing up?

ROACH: Well, for me, fashion meant John Galliano at Dior. The fantasy and the worlds that he was able to create was what made me start to dream about even having a career in fashion. Still, to this day, I’m completely enamored with the quality and the level of imagination and workmanship that he put out throughout his career.

SCARABELLI: And that juxtaposed with the presentation of that work, which really was a performance, and made fashion fun in a way that it maybe hadn’t been before.

ROACH: Yeah, it was so fantastical. And I think we saw that again with this last show he did for Margiela, that became infamous for the makeup, and just the overall storytelling. He is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, designers of our generation.

SCARABELLI: Mm-hmm. And that, I guess brings me back to the show, and what you’re looking for when you’re critiquing these young designers. Because obviously they are working within a lot of parameters in terms of material, in terms of time. It’s a tongue-in-cheek show, but it’s also serious. You really give the contestants the time of day.

ROACH: I look at it the same way that I’ve looked at clothes throughout my entire career. I think clothes have the power to invoke some sort of emotion. I want to feel something, I want to be transported somewhere, or think about, “Oh wow, that would’ve been great on this client or that client,” or, “I can see this girl wearing it to this event.” So I’m always just looking for that one thing that makes me feel something, but done in a way that’s sustainable and accessible.

SCARABELLI: What advice would you give to someone trying to start their own brand?

ROACH: I think authenticity—and I know that’s a word that’s just thrown around so much—but you have to be authentic to who you are as a designer, and what your point of view is. You may not have the clients yet, but you need to know the girl that you’re designing for, and when you do that, they’ll find you. I think right now, people are falling victim to what’s trendy and what’s commercially successful for a certain brand or designer, but success comes, critically and commercially, when you are able to be authentic and to stay true to who you are.

SCARABELLI: Mm-hmm. Are there any young designers that you’re particularly interested in that are on the come-up?

ROACH: I get asked that all the time, and it’s such a hard question to answer because there’s so many. On Instagram, I have so many young brands saved, and to be quite honest, I don’t even know why I’m doing it anymore. Since my retirement, I’m not working and searching for clothes in the same way that I did before, but I save so many just because I want to follow the trajectory of their career. I want to see where those clothes land, and I have my predictions. I’m just like, “Oh, that’d be so great on Doja Cat,” or, “This would be great on Hailey Bieber.” Will their stylist find this brand or find this young designer? It’s kind of like fantasy football.

SCARABELLI: I was just going to say, it’s fashion sports.

ROACH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m trying to figure out a way to create another sort of platform, ’cause I’m not going to be using these clothes on all the clients I used to have. But I’d like to use my profile to highlight these emerging designers, because sometimes they just need eyes on them. I’m like, “Okay, that can very well be the next Galliano, or the next Marc Jacobs, or the next Carolina Herrera,” or whoever. The talent is there. Sometimes they just need an extra push.

Law Roach didn't come from any lineage within the fashion industry.

"Unfortunately, I didn't really have the opportunity to study under anyone or be mentored. There was never a time when anybody took me under their wing, but I've always had that 'speak it into existence, fake it till you make it' mentality."

That mindset has, in the span of a decade, seen the stylist and judge build a multimillion-dollar global business with a portfolio of clients that has included Zendaya, Kerry Washington, Celine Dion, Tom Holland, Anne Hathaway, Mary J. Blige, Ariana Grande, Priyanka Chopra, and more. And it's seen him start a bloodline all his own.

Back in 2011 Roach had his own vintage shop. After studying psychology at Chicago State University, he returned to a love cultivated by his grandmother: junking, the process of scouring garage sales and thrift stores to find gems.

He opened Deliciously Vintage, and a Kanye West appearance put the venue on the style map. But sales weren't paying the bills.

Roach would run his store during the week. He told those in the fashion industry he was a New York City "local" and would often fly into Manhattan to do projects like music videos for K. Michelle.

"And then I would go back to Chicago and get behind the bar on the weekend and that's what supported me," he admits. "Back then I was taking care of my little brother who I had custody of and the bartending fed us."

Then a job came working with Zendaya, to style her for the Justin Bieber: Never Say Never premiere. It kicked off an exhaustive six months of running the shop and bartending in Chicago, styling K. Michelle in NYC, and building a relationship with Zendaya in L.A.

A woman who had become somewhat of an aunt to Roach sat him down and told him, "You're never going to win the game if you're not in the stadium." The decision was made: He closed the shop, quit bartending, and relocated to a friend's couch in L.A.

"I love to see people who look like me doing things and unfortunately, with the career that I have, there was no example of people who looked like me doing that when I first started." Roach says of his beginnings in celebrity styling. "The only thing that I had as a picture of what I wanted to be was Rachel Zoe."

It was the power that Zoe was wielding, and the checks she was reportedly cashing, that were seductive. "I wanted that. And when I started, I didn't see anybody who looked like me doing it."

His client list expanded: Monica, Brandy, Tamar Braxton, and more. In 2014, La La Anthony was his first client to go to the Met Gala. In 2015, he styled almost a dozen people for the BET Awards. The money was flowing, which was a departure for someone who sometimes had to sleep on piles of clothes instead of a bed.

A turning point came when Roach approached a large agency for representation. "They said my book wasn't strong enough." It wasn't the styling that was an issue. The problem was the type of clients: He had become the in-demand stylist for R&B singers.

"The only thing I was caring about was the bottom line and I was making a lot of money," he says. "But what I started to understand was the trajectory. Back then, you could get pigeonholed in the industry. You could be known for a certain thing and it'll put you in a box."

So he signed on for white actress Willow Shields, then promoting The Hunger Games. That change initially meant taking a sizable pay cut.

"It was painful for me to make the decision that I wasn't going to do any more Black girls," he explains. Shields turned to Ruby Rose and Jessie J during her "Bang Bang" period, which led to Hathaway, Grande, and Dion. He became the sole Black celebrity stylist consistently dressing A-list white names, something that's only recently changed.

"When I think about that decision, it always hurts me that I felt like I had to turn my back on my culture and the people that were important to me to have the career that I have now," he says. "But I feel like if I hadn't made that decision, I don't think I would have had the same career in the same time."

I thought it was GREAT that designer size 20 to 14 stood up for herself. Those judges were holding her to a standard to which production doesn't adhere. That resizing request was ridiculous & unfair. There were lots of buttons being pushed just to create conflict. This whole season feels a little Filene's Basement. Cheap & wannabe.

R298. I think she's a very talented designer but her garments still stunk. Sometimes even the most talented designers can have a bad challenge. The other girl is going home. She's pretty much given up anyway.

OMG, that girl. With her sad, flouncy tacked on chiffon like feathers. She had the best shot of anyone reinterpreting her unconventional dress & blew it. SEND HER HOME!!!

Yeah, sad Jane Eyre will be auf’d. But Belina’s dress really was indefensible. And I found it a bit cringey when she was explaining that she chose that stretchy ugly fabric because she was going to have a fatter model. So you were going to make your fatter model look like a fatter flamenco dancer? All her model was missing was a side ponytail.

[quote]I can only think of two designers who actually made a name for themselves in the fashion world: Christian Siriano and Michael Costello.

Don't forget Emilio Sosa:

[quote]Catching the eye of director Spike Lee, Emilio became his in-house stylist, working on national and international ad campaigns, before setting his sight on Broadway, where he was mentored by director George C. Wolfe, for whom he designed his first Broadway show, TOPDOG / UNDERDOG. His other Broadway credits include, ON YOUR FEET! The Emilio and Gloria Estefan Story, MOTOWN: The Musical, PORGY AND BESS (TONY Award nom) and LADY DAY at EMERSON’S BAR AND GRILL. He shares the unique distinction of being the first designer of color to design The Radio City Music Hall Spring Spectacular and a new permanent number for the legendary Christmas Show, both starring The Rockettes.

[quote]He has received both Tony Award and Drama Desk Award nominations and has been the recipient a Lucille Lortell Award, NAACP Theatre Awards, and LA Ovation Award.

Nina seemed very fed up with Law Roach this episode.

Nina is so over it. She's MIA next week.

Madeline seems completely checked out; drained mentally, emotionally, physically. She'd probably do better if they had more than one day to complete a garment.

R294 - are you sure that isn't Ms. Billie Porter? I know they are 'sisters' but that image of Ms. Roache' sure looks like a scene from the Pose series back in 2020.

[quote] Madeline seems completely checked out; drained mentally, emotionally, physically.

She reminds me of a depressed Victorian-era ghost in a haunted mansion.

Just curious: Has there ever been a straight man on the judging panel?

R308. I remember Tommy Hilfiger judging in the original series

Utica is clearly walking away with this. Why even bother with the competition? It’s basically an RPDR meet and greet for her. Christian sucks, I hate to say it. Law is the only one with a personality but he’s a cunt. Heidi is completely phoning it in. Nina may as well be dead she’s so bored. The show is totally ruined and is a barely a shadow of itself.

Madeline is the worst R307. Just get rid of her. They could have gotten rid of all the bottom three this week and it wouldn’t have mattered one iota.

Heidi and Nina just seem so defeated. Nina was Top Dog while Heidi was gone but now has to take a backseat to her, and Heidi might dress tacky, but she’s smart enough to know this new version of PR is a total dog.

Ethan had to be TOLD to get rid of the banana hammock look. He’s having a hard time getting the RPDR out of his head.

I feel bad for Madeline. She didn’t know it was going to be a shit show this season.

[quote] I feel bad for Madeline. She didn’t know it was going to be a shit show this season.

I totally agree.

She's a very unique designer, and I think she would have fared well in the early seasons of Project Runway.

Unfortunately for her, the show has become a lesser version of Drag Race, with ugly Uticunt the primary focus of attention.

This season is completely awful.

I was promised Michael Kors and I've yet to see him.

Madeline is unique how? Her Little House on the Prairie/Holly Hobby/Tradwife nonsense has been done on this show multiple times by other weird girls that were better left behind in their creepy Oklahoma sewing circle.

Really r316? I can’t think of any “Prairie/Holly Hobby/Tradwife” designers from past seasons. Who were they?

I agree with r316. I can't recall specific designers now because this shit's been going on since 2004, but this design aesthetic has definitely been featured on the show before many times. It's a niche, but definitely not something you would want to mass produce. I could see Florence Welch and various country singers wanting to wear her designs, though.

Yeah! Mad-lane's presentations are not new, fresh, young, street, ready-to-wear enough. She needs to go back down to the hollar from she whence came. Don't all those plow boys need their overalls mended and britches patched from all that sittin' and spittin'?

I love Christian saying Drag is not real fashion and Law saying his favorite show is John Galliano, which for shows were mostly over the top drag costumes.

I thought Madeline lived on Nantucket.

R321 - She does now! She's a transplant from down in the Hollar with all the plow boys, moonshine runners and toothless milk maids playin' patty cake in the barn and swingin' from the old tractor tire hangin' from the old oak tree where Momma n Daddy first tied that big ole knot that gave Mad-lane that twinkle in her eye. She only has one good eye since the cow they used for plowin' kicked Maddy in the face when she was changin' the harness on old Bessie.

If I had to live like that I'd of left too!

How can Madeline afford to live on Nantucket? Is she somebody's maid?

Still waiting for someone to name a trad wife/prairie designer on PR because I can’t think of one and I’ve watched every season.

[quote] Still waiting for someone to name a trad wife/prairie designer on PR because I can’t think of one and I’ve watched every season.

How about the awful Gretchen Jones, aka "Wretchen," the Mean Girl who won her season?

She totally looked and acted like a prairie designer TradWife, and her clothes were just as boring.

Tim Gunn hated Gretchen. Wasn't that the season Mondo lost?

Yes, Mondo lost to Gretchen.

Whatever happened to Gretchen?

^^ she’s currently living on a mountain over top Whoville

WHET Gretchen:

[quote]Some Project Runway viewers consider Gretchen Jones’ win to be one of the most controversial moments in the show’s history given her victory over fan favorite Mondo Guerra, whose finale collection was beloved by Tim Gunn, Heidi Klum and guest judge Jessica Simpson. Jones continued working as a designer for a few years after her 2010 victory, but she has since pivoted to consulting, working with brands including Converse, REI and Pendleton. In 2018, she founded her own firm called Weird Specialty, which offers a holistic approach to business coaching.

Oh ffs, Gretchen was earthy-hippie-boho. She showed granny panties, very au courant at the time. Nothing trad wife about her.

What's Trad wife?

[quote]A tradwife (a neologism for traditional wife or traditional housewife) is a woman who believes in and practices traditional gender roles and marriages. Some may choose to take a homemaking role within their marriage, and others leave their careers to focus on meeting their family's needs in the home.

[quote]The traditional housewife aesthetic has since spread throughout the Internet in part through social media featuring women extolling the virtues of being a traditional wife.

Ashley, who won her season had some hippie girl vibes.

Here's an entire thread on the "TradWife" thing, R332.

GenZ seems to be embracing it.

[quote] Ashley, who won her season had some hippie girl vibes.

Are you referring to winner Ashley Nell Tipton, R334?

Because I didn't get that from her at all.

Gretchen had a touch of The Prairie in her designs as well.

Where was that dowdy cunt on the same season as Jeffrey Sebikua and Laura the pregnant one. Her name escapes me but she was dressing and designing like Holly Hobby all the time. She and Jeffrey had a big fight because he dressed her mom in a competition and apparently he was mean to her.

Angela Keslar! Oh, I was so irritated by her from start to finish.

This is my new hatewatchnsince AJLT ended. Such a train wreck with unappealing designs, contestants, judges and set. What’s with that weird blue cast to everything? I’ll be shocked if it gets a second season.

R338, her name is Angela Keslar.

Angela of the fleurchons. Again not trad wife. Funky boho.

The spit-mark one, forget her name, was more whackadoo.

R342, her name was Elisa Jiminez from Season 4

Austin Scarlett has had success. He came back in 2012 and came in second place. Currently sells evening and wedding dresses at Neiman Marcus.

The one twin with terrible design and excessive delusion has got to go.

Everyone's bitching but, I am enjoying it more than previous seasons and have liked quite a few of the designs. I like most of the designers and hold firm on my dislike of Roach. I think Jenna would make a fabulous judge. Just fabulous.

Jenna couldn’t see any similarity between Madeline’s two designs. Hello! That’s why Maddy’s probably going home this week, she stuck to the same color, silhouette and motif.

When really she should’ve found some molten silver lamé and made a drapey bias evening gown.

I cannot stand this not showing who is gone at the end of each episode. It makes me not want to watch at all.

Actually that part doesn’t bother me. Other than wanting the twins to go but I know Jesus will be there to the end along with VeeJay and Ethan and maybe Yuchen.

The problem I have with not revealing the elimination is that this season hasn't been interesting enough to remember all that much from the previous week, so by the time I see the elimination, I've forgotten most of details leading up to it and don't really care.

r350 exactly no pay off from the episode. You lose interest by the time the next week rolls around

Maybe they are wearing something from an unconventinal material challenge ( make lining polyester look sexy and fun), but Heidi and offspring walked the red carpet in Venice in garments in dire need of steaming.

No one was looking at the wrinkles once they got sight of her boob job.

R352 - all Heidi Ho's frock needs is a small, LED backlit broach that says: 'Now Serving XXXX' nestled in her cleavage with the 'XXXX' replaced with the actual number served.

No one is looking at her; they’re looking at her daughter.

The most amusing thing about the entire show is that Heidi is judging the fashion of others when she has never dressed in anything remotely resembling fashion or good taste.

That’s true. I don’t know who said it first but “short, tight and shiny” described her fashion sense and it’s been a code word for her ever since.

R357, now it's, " Hey world, look at my tits!"

Couldn’t resist upstaging daughter…

R357 That was actually Nina in an early season of PR. She said nothing looks cheaper than short, tight and shiny, and I question the taste level. I forgot who she was talking about.

And Heidi-hoe said she likes tight and shiny.

[quote]I forgot who she was talking about.

Was she looking at Heidi when she said it?

I'm about 99% positive that Joan is going home, even though Yuchen should be the one leaving.

His shredded jacket looked stupid.

Then again, Joan's look was serving PIMP.

So either one of them would deserve getting auf'ed, to be honest.

As for the winner, I think Antonio's look was the best. Belania's looked cheap.

Truthfully, I didn't see the "streetwear" in any of the designs. All the outfits looked tacky.

As for "taste." I have to laugh at the judges.

I mean, Christian Cowan is dating Sam Smith. ENOUGH SAID.

Take one look at this photo of the judges, and you'll see what a joke it is, when the three on the left are criticizing others about their "taste."

Joan Smalls is the only one who had any taste on that judging panel.

Can someone please explain?????

Christian Cowan + Sam Smith

Make it make sense!!!!

I had no idea Miss Joan was that delusional, holy shit. Christian told her it wasn't streetwear, the other designers told her it wasn't streetwear, her friggin' model told her it wasn't streetwear. And she's still gooped when the judges tell her exactly that. She needs to go home for that alone.

So Christian Cowan is responsible for working DL superfave Sam Smith's buss, huh? I did not like his large veneers at all. And someone needs to introduce him to the joys of chapstick because he had the driest lips in the history of this show. Also, his wheat neck tat looks like a smudge.

Did you notice how Roach is always cracking jokes with the judges to his right, while Heidi looks comically out of the loop?

"It's very London, it's very New York." Why do they bring in models as judges again? They're just human wire hangers, I don't give a shit what they have to say about fashion.

Judges: one 'designer' plus a former model and a stylist. Law is more interested in the designers attitudes rather than their talent. How was Veejay not in the top. I think Miss Joan's time is up.

[quote] Is it taste over talent or talent over taste?

Someone should look at Roach and ask HIM that. We can watch his head explode.

Remember when they used to dedicate a whole segment of the show to driving (or ferrying!) the designers to a special place where they could get inspired for a challenge? They literally just plopped them on the street outside their filming location for this streetwear challenge. Veejay looked like a tramp, sitting on a curb like that.

Roach isn't a drama magnet, he's a drama generator. Came after Belania this week for her story about the design, not even the design itself. Does he want to turn this into a Real Housewives-type of show or something?

Next week: the return of Zac Posen. More incompetence on the panel.

What street was Ethan's model walking? A fine look for a fetish party, but not to wear on the street in broad daylight...unless working for Miss Joan's pimp, of course.

Joan's outfit totally reminded me of Kramer from Seinfeld, from the episode "The Wig Master."

Honestly, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw Joan's outfit.

The similarity between Kramer's Pimp outfit, and Joan's design, was uncanny!

PR has never had two top finalists and two bottom designers. It's always been three. They're getting very lazy.

Maybe the new panel can't count.

⬆️

I don’t like your attitude.

Miss Joan would be fun to hang with, but she’s deluded about fashion.

They started out with half the usual number of designers and now they’re just down to the drama queens plus Yuchen (my guess is Miss Joan is getting the ax).

Can I buy these outfits at The Fashion Bug?

I've had sufficient of Law Roach. He doesn't really provide any insight on fashion or design. His feedback is simplistic and bitchy and it's dragging down the whole show. Because of the delayed eliminations, I can't even remember anymore who was eliminated and don't care. By focusing so much on Ethan and Law Roach, it's just tedious.

I cant stand Veejay or her voice, but her outfit was good—as was the twin’s who was safe. Ethan’s was impeccable but all wrong. Yuchen’s sweatshirt could be found at a Sip N Save in Duluth.

I expected Joan’s model to walk down the runway to William DeVaughn’s Be Thankful for What You Got.

What a GREAT episode! Heidi Ho was looking especially voluminous with that 'Hammock' dress she wore at the beginning and her jowls seemed extra wide depending on the camera angle. She has long since passed her runway era sleekness.

The tall, ugly one - what was with all the belts, suspenders and bungee cords - looked trashy and uncomfortable. Stop with all the close-ups of Urethra - she is just too scary and acts like some kind of prima donna.

I like Belania and her outfit was deserving of the win. Her personal style is unique and flattering to her.

Ping Pong - the shredded jacket was trashy. She is a goner - maybe.

Not sure how many episodes remain, but this excuse for a 'fashion show' is running on extremely low fumes.

Ms. Christian - what's with all the leather straight jackets - a different one in each sequence! She's the cutest pocket gay ever!

Ms. La' Roach has no fashion knowledge at all - does she walk around on the street looking like that!

The assortment of judges was fun - the tall white boy was cute!

Who are the gays this season? Only the gay men please. I don't care about the lesbians.

There are no straight men.

[quote]but this excuse for a 'fashion show' is running on extremely low fumes

But those low fumes sure do stink!

r383 Angelo is straight. But he's also the only one and he got auf'd quickly.

Nina's on vacation more than JD Vance.

If I was Bealnia up there and Law Roach told me that my "story" was bs, I would have laid him out right then and there. That was the most crass, obnoxious and rude comment I have ever heard on that show. Can't stand that entitled little bitch.

^ Belania. Muriel!

[quote]That was the most crass, obnoxious and rude comment I have ever heard on that show.

Immediately topped by him telling Yuchen he wanted to beat him up. And then saying people crying made him feel powerful. This, after Yuchen revealing he was beaten growing up.

Somehow I don't think being beaten up by Law Roach is nearly as scary as he wants you to believe it is.

^^who is Miss Roach kidding^^^ What!! Is his ironed fake hair going to kill you?

Ep. 6

I hope a straight frau doesn't win again. It's the reason I stopped watching. Got sick of them always giving the win to the breeders. It smelled of homophobia.

Joan was dressing RuPaul dressed as Cookie from Empire

I like Joan, but she has no future as a designer at her age and talent level. She can work as a tailor, but that's it for her.

You can tell from Joan’s aesthetic that she’s stuck in the 90s. That outfit was made for En Vogue.

Joan's outfit looked like something Patti LaBelle would wear.

I get it, it's difficult for an older person, all these younger people around you constantly telling you what you're doing wrong. Then again, don't sign up for a competition, you just keep doing you if you love being true to yourself so much and hate any and all feedback. Ain't nobody stopping you.

Reddit is going gaga over Ethan's dress, but all I could think seeing it come down the runway was how you'd put that on and how you'd wash it. Completely impractical, runway-only garment.

Yes, r399, runway looks are universally practical and washable. This is what designers strive for.

Yes, they are actually striving for that. This wasn't an avantgarde challenge and I assume they'll want to produce wearable designs with the prize money.

You should probably give more thought to your clapbacks in the future, so you don't embarrass yourself. Free advice, which you can take or leave. I don't care either way, you're on my ignore list now anyway.

It’s not unusual for there to be the occasional confrontation between a judge and a contestant in the bottom, but the Law/Belania one was bizarre in that she was the winner, and she had Law’s favorite look.

I wasn’t immediately turned off by his style as some viewers were, but his insistence that he knows what the contestants are thinking and that they must meet his high standards for a positive attitude are growing tiresome. He must be even more exhausting in person.

It’s not that Ethan’s look was runway only, it wasn’t street wear.

r403 I mean if you live on Folsom Street...

Maybe Folsom, but it was something you’d make for Gaga to wear to the Grammys.

I read long ago that they wait until filming is finished and the winner chosen before they start editing the show into episodes. I just wonder if the producers anticipated how unpopular Law Roach would become. Most of the longtime PR fans, initially excited, dislike his combative critiques which are more about the personality than the clothes. But new viewers who followed Ethan and him over from RPDR love the drama.

R402, he's made it clear he expects to be praised and practically worshipped for deigning to improve the future of design through judging. Delusional.

I'm inspired by Audrey Hepburn!

No, you're not!

R408 - how can you say that when Miss Hepburn wore all those iconic African head wraps?

R401, these are runway looks, not clothing lines. No one's judging them by how well they hold up in a washing machine. But since you're too much of a delicate flower to have a conversation, you won't be receiving this "free advice."

Law majored in psychology and was a bartender and shop owner? Did he suppress his cuntiness then and now just lets it fly? Such an odd choice for a personality.

I feel pretty certain the production team is well aware of Law's cuntiness and is 100% behind it.

That's probably true, but that makes criticizing his role on the show even more relevant. Taking offense at Belania's inspiration this week and telling her what she should have been thinking is so far the height of his arrogance, but I'm guessing he'll top that before the season is over.

Damn I just found out Wendy Pepper died

in 2017.

Yeah and I just found out

It really wasn't publicized much, because few people would care, since she was the first villain. Here's a nice article about her.

Who would choose the name Wendy Pepper? As a designer? Yikes.

My problem with Law isn't that he's bitchy and mean. It's that his bitchiness and meanness doesn't seem to be about the fashion. At best it's about styling. At worst it's personal.

Further, he can't take what he dishes out. He's a total cunt, but then gets upset when a contestant is a cunt back to him? Fuck that.

100 W/Ws to R419

WHET Nina. MIA this week and next week. Did she just give up?

Booby horns!!!!

He needs to go home for that monstrosity, but he won't.

No, R422, horny horns!!

Haven't watched the latest episode - is the tall, UGLY one still there? I want to shield my eyes from the horror of Urethra - TIA.

Yuchon has got to go home. I predict both twins will be in the final three.

They will definitely send him home...Veejay provides more drama. And his dress was horrific. I do feel bad for the guy since he clearly has no points of reference with country music or style.

It really looks like final three will be Ethan, Belania and Jesus.

What previous winners are doing ...

I’d take the horny dress over the red carwash dress any day. Also, I hate Veejay. she reminds me of a mean girl at my former job who made my life hell.

I liked having Zac back, and enjoyed his feedback.

Yuchen will cut.

I’d love for Veejay to go, if for no other reason than she’s so fucking jealous of the twins. And was so full of delusion over what she made.

For all the focus on drama, I feel like they are ending up with mid level designers.

Poor Joan - I liked her and she have a very positive vibe and her success will continue with expert tailoring and associated skills.

Escutcheon (what kind of name is that?) was way too weepy when Joan got the hook.

When Heidi Ho got up and walked over to Joan to say Goodbye - the back of whatever she was wearing (a backpack sleeping bag?) looked horrible. Does she not look at her backside when selecting a look.

Alas, the UGLY one is still in the running. I haven't watched the entire episode yet but this Western Themed challenge seems a bit overdone and Christian was nearly tripping over all that excessively long fringe on her jacket. The horse in the studio bit was a hoot - looks like Christian needs some stool training!

Ta for now!

I don’t think there’s been a single wow moment this season or even a single outfit that I was thinking, this is really good and it should win.

So Zac is now queen bee at the Gap and Old Navy? That seems so low rent.

Does anyone else want to have a hate-fuck three-way and docking sessions with the twins?

Not I. I find them repellent.

Ethan looks like he smells.

R439 - he DOES! I can smell whatever it is (s)he smells like through my TV! It must be because I get this real nauseating smell every time (s)he's on the screen.

She is a mess.

I hope Christian didn't injure himself when he stumbled down off that horse at the beginning of the episode. You'd think someone with her pixie-like stature would at least have some experience with stools, especially when brushing her teeth and putting on her custom made portable scalp.

Then again, maybe she got a glimpse of the horses 'secret garden' and apparatus which caused her to loose her composure.

Oh well, on with the show I say.

Did no one else find it weird when the twins kissed each other on the lips?

Super cringy.

I think there is definitely some twincest going on with them.