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Dionne Warwick stole Cher's song "Alfie"

Cher sang it in the movie I just found out.

What's with this bitch Dionne taking our Cher's song?

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by Anonymousreply 61August 1, 2025 12:43 AM

Alfie is one helluva hard song to sing.

Kudos to anyone who can master it.

by Anonymousreply 1July 30, 2025 3:54 PM

Dionne's version is the best. She deserved to have a big hit with it.

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by Anonymousreply 2July 30, 2025 5:40 PM

At least I didn't have to work in the same dozen little tricks in every song to try to distract from my lack of vocal talent.

Her held notes always sounded like the spokes of a bicycle hitting a baseball card.

by Anonymousreply 3July 30, 2025 5:53 PM

I preferred to be a little anonymouse on my post to avoid the days of social media attacks.

And Cher did always have the best costumes.

by Anonymousreply 4July 30, 2025 5:56 PM

I prefer Cilla Black's version.

by Anonymousreply 5July 30, 2025 6:00 PM

Wow - I did not know this.

It's very odd to me in the 1960s how many songs were released by different artists in successive years and still charted. If I heard one song last year - I don't care if a new person sang it this year.

Tons of overlap with British/American singers, but there are lots of other examples too. It doesn't feel like this could or can happen today.

by Anonymousreply 6July 30, 2025 6:06 PM

I got your number...Hussie

by Anonymousreply 7July 30, 2025 6:06 PM

Cher is in the American cut. Cilla in the Briskish cut, and Dionne for the pop song cut. And by the way Cher is not a great singer-certainly not better than the former ladies- and she would tell you that herself.

by Anonymousreply 8July 30, 2025 6:06 PM

I love Joanie Sommer's Italian verison.

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by Anonymousreply 9July 30, 2025 6:10 PM

WUZZIT ALLABOWWWWWW.... AL-FEEE....

by Anonymousreply 10July 30, 2025 6:10 PM

[quote]Cher is not a great singer-certainly not better than the former ladies- and she would tell you that herself.

Doesn't matter, r8, she has a *sound*.

by Anonymousreply 11July 30, 2025 6:11 PM

r6 that happened all the time in the 60s and part of the 70s. I Heard It Through the Grapevine, for example, was a huge hit for both Marvin Gaye and Gladys Knight.

by Anonymousreply 12July 30, 2025 6:13 PM

Cher's version is the weakest. In spite of her early pop hits with Sonny Bono, it was in the 70s when she really hit her stride as a more expressive vocalist.

Warwick's version is still the best if only because she has the best vocal instrument vs. Cher and Black.

I always found Black too shrill at times. There's one point in her version after the first two lines and she then goes up on "What's is ALL about.." and it's like caterwauling.

by Anonymousreply 13July 30, 2025 6:15 PM

No love for the recently departed Miss Francis?

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by Anonymousreply 14July 30, 2025 6:49 PM

R6. Fully agree. Now, we have the endless movie sequels/remakes. No desire to see the Planet of the Apes 10, etc, and I am the biggest POTA fan ever. EVER. Plastic toys and stuff. I watch the original movies once a year because....

by Anonymousreply 15July 30, 2025 7:18 PM

Connie sounds great!

by Anonymousreply 16July 30, 2025 7:22 PM

Dionne's version was the result of an impromptu recording after she had already laid down tracks for her album "Here Where There is Love" and thought it was complete. But Scepter Records A&R man Steve Tyrell suggested they use the remaining time booked to record "Alfie." Warwick thought it was pointless because there were already over 40 versions recorded at the time, including one done by her sister Dee Dee earlier that spring. But she pressed ahead and took the song to #15 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, higher than Cher's version, which stalled at #32.

by Anonymousreply 17July 30, 2025 7:26 PM

Dee Dee Warwick's version.

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by Anonymousreply 18July 30, 2025 7:30 PM

OP, are you aware that Cher DIDN'T WRITE Alfie? Like all of the other singers, she covered the song. It’s not “her” song.

by Anonymousreply 19July 30, 2025 7:33 PM

R18. Link not working for me but found the version on the internet. Never heard this version before. Soooo much talent in that family...and problems.

by Anonymousreply 20July 30, 2025 7:37 PM

Cilla Black’s version is the best and I love Joanie Sommers’ version in Italiano as well

by Anonymousreply 21July 30, 2025 7:37 PM

Cher's version is wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 22July 30, 2025 7:54 PM

People actually LIKE Cilla Black? As a singer? Isn't she considered awful?

by Anonymousreply 23July 30, 2025 7:55 PM

Sarah Vaughan's cover

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by Anonymousreply 24July 30, 2025 8:25 PM

Cilla Black is shrill....her vocal tone is weak...Dionne? Perfect. I have spoken .

by Anonymousreply 25July 30, 2025 9:15 PM

love the trumpet intro on Connie's version

But Dionne's is the definitive recording

by Anonymousreply 26July 30, 2025 9:23 PM

Dionne is a crazy old bitch now but she was phenomenally talented in her prime, one of the best ever. Dusty Springfield was her only rival in pop music.

by Anonymousreply 27July 30, 2025 10:44 PM

Cher's recorded version is very strong. I'm impressed.

Cilla Black - she was never known in the US and she always seem to redo American songs, but not as well.

I've never liked her face - and I've heard she was the OG C.U.N.T.

Patti LuPone would shake in fear of Cilla's cuntitude.

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by Anonymousreply 28July 30, 2025 10:50 PM

I don't care who is singing it. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 29July 30, 2025 10:58 PM

It's Burt Bacharach - He and Dionne were tight.

by Anonymousreply 30July 31, 2025 1:25 AM

Funny how Burt Bacharach was considered simple minded cheese in the 1969s, now he’s a “genius.”

by Anonymousreply 31July 31, 2025 1:29 AM

Cher was 19 when she recoded Alfie.

by Anonymousreply 32July 31, 2025 1:33 AM

[quote] But she pressed ahead and took the song to #15 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, higher than Cher's version, which stalled at #32.

And it was even a bigger hit on the R&B & Soul chart, reaching #5. I always found that interesting since Alfie is a very traditional pop-sounding song.

by Anonymousreply 33July 31, 2025 1:41 AM

I'm no fan of Connie Francis, but her version is not bad at all. It's certainly better than Cilla Black's.

Why did Joanie Sommer's, of all people, record it in Italian? She's singing it phonetically and it's just terrible.

Barbra recorded it too and it sounds tortured to me.

Dionne Warwick did it best. She had this wistful, pensive, melancholy thing in her voice that made you listen.

by Anonymousreply 34July 31, 2025 2:04 AM

The songs that charted on R&B could surprise you: Beach Boy songs, Bread, The Carpenters' "Close to You".

Warwick's classical training made her perfect for singing in Bacharach's odd time signatures, with sometimes awkward phrasing Hal David had to write to accommodate them.

by Anonymousreply 35July 31, 2025 2:12 AM

That’s what friends are for!

by Anonymousreply 36July 31, 2025 2:19 AM

How low Dionne sunk what with that psychic friends stuff.

by Anonymousreply 37July 31, 2025 2:19 AM

DL favorite Cynthia Erivo sings for Miss Dionne.

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by Anonymousreply 38July 31, 2025 2:24 AM

Am I the only one who doesn’t like this song? I saw Barbra Streisand and Patti LuPone both sing it live and I was non-plussed.

by Anonymousreply 39July 31, 2025 2:30 AM

Maybe they just didn't understand what it was about.

by Anonymousreply 40July 31, 2025 3:51 AM

Dionne Warwick's version is considered the definitive one. It's the only version inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame.

This performance was a masterclass.

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by Anonymousreply 41July 31, 2025 3:53 AM

To drop some sacrilege, I really like Naya Rivera’s version too.

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by Anonymousreply 42July 31, 2025 3:59 AM

Who sang it on the Oscars when it was nominated for Best Song?

by Anonymousreply 43July 31, 2025 4:14 AM

[quote] Who sang it on the Oscars when it was nominated for Best Song?

Miss Warwick.

by Anonymousreply 44July 31, 2025 4:33 AM

They both have a very unique quality in their voices. I liked Cher’s version a lot. Always loved 🥰 both gals!

by Anonymousreply 45July 31, 2025 4:40 AM

R41 It's wonderful, but I'll take her original interpretation over that. See R2. Simple, direct. She belabors it at R41. The song does not need that.

by Anonymousreply 46July 31, 2025 6:12 PM

The r41 version is also excellent, just a different interpretation.

by Anonymousreply 47July 31, 2025 6:13 PM

R47 She makes it more about what a great singer she is at R41.

The original version is more about Hal David's lyrics and Bacharach's melody.

by Anonymousreply 48July 31, 2025 6:17 PM

Yes r48 but the other version is also great. One thing the other video captures is what an expressive singer she is, you can see it on her face. A lot of singers don't have that kind of talent.

by Anonymousreply 49July 31, 2025 6:24 PM

That hussy.

by Anonymousreply 50July 31, 2025 6:28 PM

Dionne's melancholy version of Make It Easy On Yourself was also a master class.

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by Anonymousreply 51July 31, 2025 6:29 PM

Who the fuck is Alfie?

by Anonymousreply 52July 31, 2025 7:55 PM

Alfie was a movie starring Michael Caine. He played the title character.

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by Anonymousreply 53July 31, 2025 8:00 PM

When Warwick discussed this in her memoir 15 years ago, she said the reason they wouldn't use her recording for the movie was because she recorded it on the Scepter label, where she was contracted in the 60s. United Artists (the distributor in the US) and Scepter couldn't reach a financial deal, so they commissioned Cher (according to Warwick, rather inexpensively) to do a recording for the film, instead. The film distributor in the UK asked Cilla Black to do the honors.

by Anonymousreply 54July 31, 2025 9:42 PM

[quote]Dionne's melancholy version of Make It Easy On Yourself was also a master class.

No it's not.

Loud and brash. Lots of gimmicky vocal acrobatics. She sings a single syllable of text over multiple notes. It's no longer about the song and Bacharach's melody but about the singer. None of that it is in her original, far superior performance of the song.

by Anonymousreply 55July 31, 2025 9:51 PM

R55 must be confusing Warwick with her late cousin.

by Anonymousreply 56July 31, 2025 9:57 PM

r55 you're talking out of your ass. That performance is sublime. God, I hate music "critics."

by Anonymousreply 57July 31, 2025 10:36 PM

[quote]That performance is sublime.

It's showy. And there is an audience that loves that gimmicky stuff.

Warwick needed NONE of that at the height of her career in the 1960s. She didn't need "melisma" to win over an audience.

by Anonymousreply 58July 31, 2025 11:52 PM

What you call "showy" others think is a wonderful performance. One thing about Dionne is that you could believe that she lived every song she sang, very emotional.

by Anonymousreply 59July 31, 2025 11:54 PM

THIS is greatness. It's as if she's truly talking to someone. The phrasing is obliterated at R41. Here the words and meaning shine through.

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by Anonymousreply 60August 1, 2025 12:05 AM

[quote] She didn't need "melisma" to win over an audience.

I don’t think you have one fucking clue what “melisma” is and you’re just talking out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 61August 1, 2025 12:43 AM
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