Counties that have been completely enveloped by a city

San Francisco County is just the city, aways has been.

that's what I mean, r1.

New York County (Manhattan)

Ahem

Op you have no clue what you mean. Nothing enveloped anything: SF the city and the county was and are one in the same. You type dumb.

R3 is perhaps more dense than Op.

Manhattan is not a city. It is a borough. It enveloped nothing. NYC includes five separate counties. You also type dumb.

Davidson Co/Nashville

City and County of Honolulu

Marion Co/Indianapolis

R2 San Francisco County was never 'enveloped' by a city. The County and the City were always synonymous. SF county was ALWAYS just the city, never more.

The city of St. Louis was part of St. Louis County until it seceded in 1876 and became an independent city/county. The urban sophisticates of the city did not want to be associated with the white trash farmers located in the county. Now, 150 years later, the city of St. Louis is the broke ass bitch that desperately wants to reenter the much wealthier St. Louis County, but County voters want absolutely nothing to do with the City of St. Louis and its too numerous to mention problems.

Baltimore is also an independent city/county that seceded from Baltimore County.

r7 for Honolulu that is almost correct, but not quite. The North Shore is separate from the city of Honolulu.

The consolidated City and County of Honolulu constitutes the entire island of Oahu.

St. Louis County actually surrounds the Independent City of St. Louis.

Duval County --> Jacksonville

r11, there are other cities on Oahu (the county of Honolulu) besides the city of Honolulu.

Name this form of government, found commonly in Virginia….

You must have a LOT of time on your hands, OP, to come up with this thread. Jeez.

Carson City, NV merged with and took over all of the former Ormsby Co. and it's all Carson City today. (No more county.)

Indianapolis includes all of the formerly unincorporated parts of Marion Co., IN.

r15 In VA the cities are all independent and not part of a county, although some of those cites are the county seats of the counties they aren't part of (e.g., Fairfax City/Fairfax Co.)

Louisiana and Alaska don't have counties.

R14 learn to show your work

All of Oahu is within the consolidated city and county. All of Oahu is represented by the Honolulu City Council. Without exception.

“The Bay area” is such a weak moniker.

Better than the Tri-state, as used by NYC’s local stations.

To confuse matters should we talk about the incorporated and unincorporated parts of Los Angeles County.

OP I think you mean amalgamated.

R23 there’s no confusion. There’s the County, and then there are cities within in the county. As is the case all over the country.

R24 no. The legal term is “consolidated.” Or “unified.”

R6 you are a true asshat. Try re-reading OP’s post and my response. it is 100% accurate you twat.

New York County is comprised of the borough of Manhattan. Each NYC borough is also a county: New York County (Manhattan), Kings County (Brooklyn), Queens County (Queens), Bronx County (The Bronx), and Richmond County (Staten Island).

New York County (Managattan island/borough) is completely enveloped by the city of New York.

Nsahville and Davidson County, sadly usurping Berry Hill's role as gay ghetto

Lexington and Fayette County, Kentucky. Probably a scheme to divert tax money from the horse farms.

OP must be working on a degree in urban planning.

Now go and do your own damned research, OP. Or at least ask AI and stop bothering us here.

Fulton County and part of DeKalb County by the city of Atlanta.

New York County was not completely enveloped by the City of New York. New York County is separate and distinct from the City of New York. You have it ass backwards. Go read the NYS Constitution and get back to us.

R23 you're confused

r32 you seem very confused. Do you know the meaning of words? Do you know what “enveloped” means?

Three words it is NOT synonymous with: Amalgamated, Unified, Consolidated.

In the context of municipal governance, that is exactly what it means.

It most commonly means Geographic Envelopment (with no change in governance).

R1, R2 and R8. San Francisco county included much of what is now San Mateo county until the mid-1850s. It became the only consolidated city-county in California after that point.

New York County is both geographically and administratively part of New York City, just like the other four counties/boroughs. In fact, the entire area of New York County is within the city limits of New York City — and this has been true since the city's consolidation in 1898.

More than that — it’s fully incorporated into New York City. There’s no unincorporated land, and county-level functions are largely handled by the centralized city government.

New York City is unique in the U.S. because of this complete overlap between city and county governance.

Are you going to keep at it r35?

R36 pulling a rabbit out of his hat to help save face. LoL

Did Grok tell you that?!

New York City is unique in the U.S. because of this complete overlap between city and county governance.

It is neither unique nor is it complete.

New York County originally included the Bronx, until well after consolidation.

Pursuant to the NYS constitution, each county that also happens to be a borough maintains a separate legal status from the city, with distinct powers—most obviously the judicial system, including civil and criminal courts and related prosecutor’s offices.

[quote] San Francisco county included much of what is now San Mateo county until the mid-1850s.

This entire thread reads like setup for...

The Unified Government of Wyandotte County, KS and Kansas City, KS. (Not Kansas City, MO., which is part of Jackson County in Missouri).

WyCo/KCK is essentially one big working class suburb (more or less) of the older and larger Kansas City, Missouri.

I love when people who are obviously wrong keep doubling down with random facts and distracting arguments.

R3 is clearly 100% correct.

R6 misunderstood OP’s premise and did not understand R3’s point, which was accurate.

Let it go R6. Admit you were wrong and move on.

Why do keep talking about yourself? Is your self-esteem so low you have reply as if you weren’t r3?

How is "St. Louis (city)" a county that's been completely enveloped by a city?

Honolulu city did not envelop the county. They were created as one in the same.

This is the stupidest thread in some time.

Everyone is ignoring Philly, probably because it actually fits OP's wonky premise. The City of Philadelphia was once just the area now called "Center City," sandwiched between Vine and South streets (originally named because it was the southern border of the city). Today you can walk the length of Center City from Vine to South in under an hour, but way back when the city was first planned and even until the Federal era, much of that was still undeveloped wilderness. Of course it only went from the Delaware to the Schuykill. West Philly wasn't yet West Philly.

The areas of Philadelphia County that are today called South, West, Northwest, North and Northeast Philadelphia, were filled with individual townships, districts and boroughs, or small, self-governing municipalities, essentially small towns. As these towns grew, literally alongside the nascent city which was also growing, they blended into a contiguous mass and, as development continued, this presented problems with law enforcement. Perpetrators could easily flee one jurisdiction to another with different, or virtually non-existent, forms of law enforcement. Basically it was too easy to commit a robbery on Lombard street and quickly abscond 2 blocks down to Fitzwater St. where cops were more scarce and the Philly police has had no power.

In 1854 the Act of Consolidation unified all municipalities in Philadelphia County under the City of Philadelphia, and the former small divisions are known today as neighborhoods, such as Northern Liberties, Germantown, Manayunk, Passyunk, etc.

R6 [who is also R32, R35 and R46] is a DICKWAD who STILL won’t admit that she is WRONG.

This is now a serious BEEF.

Don’t you dare question my New York City municipal knowledge. Admit it. You were wrong. You did not know that New York County was unified with the Borough of Manhattan which is ENVELOPED by New York City. You are a fool. Go crawl under a ROCK!

R51 gets it

Philly

You're all so smart. I want to ask questions but am afraid I'll be beaten to death with a bunch of rolled up maps. . . or stoned to death with boxes of envelopes.

Here at the DL, 30 lashes with a wet noodle (not drained) is the go-to.

Growing up in Lexington, Kentucky, the Urban-County Government made a ton of sense. It eliminates a lot of redundant bureaucracy. Fun fact: Kentucky has 120 counties, fourth most in the nation. They are extremely small.

r52 is right.

r6 is a twat.

Imma gonna beat you with a rolled up map!

Which face of Eve is that typing?^^

The strange wording that OP used in his title is causing the problem in this thread. Enveloping is a verb, which is an action by definition. (Envelop means to wrap around something completely, to surround, either literally or figuratively) So, the ONLY scenario that fits OP's usage of that term is to envision a city which was sitting somewhere in the middle of an innocent county, both entities minding their own business, until the city gradually grew and grew to the point where it completely took over the boundaries of the county and then extended a bit beyond those boundaries in all directions. Cities which were always one and the same with their counties don't count for this question.

^ Philly is the only citation in this thread that properly fits the OP’s cockamamie parameters.

Initially, New York City was confined to the southern tip of Manhattan Island, while New York County encompassed the entire island. As the city grew, it expanded northward and eventually encompassed the entire island, becoming coterminous with New York County.

Tell me how this does not fit OP’s parameters.

Why does San Francisco have a board of supervisors instead of a city council and a mayor instead of a county executive?

New York City is such an epic entity that all of its boroughs have enveloped their counties to the point of the counties being completely irrelevant. It’s almost like in name only. Brooklyn and Manhattan are in two separate counties but yet share the same police force; the whole damn city does and each borough corresponds to a different county. But yeah there are so few example; this thread is just kinda dumb.

This thread is giving city-data.com bulletin board circa 2013.

[quote]Why does San Francisco have a board of supervisors instead of a city council and a mayor instead of a county executive?

LA County has a Board of Supervisors.

SF has a county sheriff.