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‘Fantastic Four: First Steps’ … every scene that has Julia Garner is better than any scene without her

So the films biggest issue is her lack of screentime. When she’s on screen the movie is so much better. There is a scene where she chases them in space that is one of the most beautifully shot and intense action scenes ever in a superhero film. It’s THAT good a scene.

The film is good but not great like some are claiming. Some of the dialogue can be very cheesy and cringe, and the story is very basic. However, it is coherent and tightly written. No crazy subplots etc. however, there is an emotional scene close to the end that feels like a rehash of 2007’s “Rise of the Silver Surfer” and I didn’t like it.

Thing is probably the closest we’ve gotten to the comics. Sue Storm is once again the one who has to do the heavy lifting on the team and pretty much saves the day. This version of Johnny Storm is extremely watered down though. He isn’t quick witted, sarcastic, or a hyper sexual frat-like woman crazy hottie like he is in the comics or 2005 film. This one is toned down extremely. Almost neutered. He has no sexuality.

Overall a good film but the final battle was underwhelming. And Silver Surfer isnt on screen much.

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by Anonymousreply 21July 30, 2025 12:42 PM

He isn’t quick witted, sarcastic, or a hyper sexual frat-like woman crazy hottie like he is in the comics or 2005 film.

Johnny is sarcastic and flippant, in the comics, but he wasn't "a hyper sexual frat-like woman crazy hottie" there, even if he was in the 2005 film.

Johnny was pretty much a one-woman guy for his first 30 years or so. First he was attached to Dorrie Evans, then the superheroine Crystal, then Frankie Raye, then Alicia Masters.

by Anonymousreply 1July 24, 2025 10:42 PM

Johnny Storm got into relationships but he was very much a flirt and girl-crazy r1. And his looks and charisma were a big part of his characterization. All that is erased in this one.

by Anonymousreply 2July 24, 2025 10:50 PM

R1 even the official Marvel website describes Johnny in the comics as a heartthrob, charismatic and a ladies man.

“ In Marvel Comics, Johnny Storm, also known as the Human Torch, is often portrayed as "hot" not just in terms of his fiery powers, but also in his personality and relationships. He's known for being a charismatic, impulsive, and somewhat arrogant hero, the "hot-shot heartthrob" of the Fantastic Four. This is reflected in his romantic life, with various relationships and flings, and his close friendships, particularly with Spider-Man”

“ He's a charming and attractive character, often depicted as a heartthrob and a ladies' man”

None of that exists in the new version.

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by Anonymousreply 3July 24, 2025 11:01 PM

In all the trailers it looks like the whole gang is just having bad hair days.

by Anonymousreply 4July 24, 2025 11:06 PM

Vanessa Kirby is a better actress but Jessica Alba is hotter so she wins.

by Anonymousreply 5July 25, 2025 3:28 AM

Saw the French cam version yesterday and I agree, the silver surfer (surferess?) was the best part. Everything else was generic comic book movie fare. It also seemed overly heteronormative to me. Signa temporum, I guess.

I do wish Coon was cast instead of Garner, she has a similar voice but with a lot more character to it. Would have sounded glorious with that echo.

by Anonymousreply 6July 25, 2025 1:49 PM

"Sue Storm is once again the one who has to do the heavy lifting on the team"

Not a huge surprise, given that her husband is basically just a rubber band (not an amazing super power) and the Thing is a pile of rocks.

by Anonymousreply 7July 25, 2025 1:59 PM

R6 yeah you have no room to talk about it. Who watches a film like this bootleg?

by Anonymousreply 8July 25, 2025 6:05 PM

Just saw it. The first half is kind of dull and spends too much time setting up the team and the retro-futuristic '60s world they live in. Once Silver Surfer and Galactus show up, the film gets much better. Galactus looks great.

by Anonymousreply 9July 27, 2025 12:12 AM

Setting the team up? This isn’t an origin story.

This film, like Superman, drops the viewers into an already established world.

by Anonymousreply 10July 27, 2025 12:17 AM

I saw this and was underwhelmed. The family banter seems fake, like a bad tv show. There are long stretches where it’s just special effects. The subject matter around pregnancy and baby seemed weak for a story. Superman is actually a good film whereas F4 was average.

by Anonymousreply 11July 27, 2025 5:42 AM

Vanessa Kirby was insufferable in this movie.

by Anonymousreply 12July 27, 2025 1:50 PM

They all seemed miscast.

by Anonymousreply 13July 27, 2025 2:35 PM

I saw it yesterday. Big 'meh' from me and I'm a huge Pedro fan. I went with my brother, who is a Marvel expert and was one of the people who was disappointed when PP was cast as Reed Richards. When we came out of the theater, I told him that I was underwhelmed by the film and he said that it wasn't the leads more so that it was the weak script.

2.5 out of 5.

by Anonymousreply 14July 27, 2025 9:11 PM

I really enjoyed it. I was a huge fan of the comic book when i was growing up, and they took many of the best things from the different best versions of the team:

*Most of the ideas come from the classic Lee-Kirby run on the team in the 60s, especially the dynamics of the team bickering and teasing each other as a family, the futuristic look of Reed's machines, the cosmic part of the film in outer space, and Galactus's look, especially (even down to the weird boots). The plot of the movie was a mash-up of the famous "Galactus" trilogy (FF#48-50). It also relied on the classic plot device Lee would use in the late 60s where Reed would invent some new incredible device at the beginning of a multi-parter that would be eventually used to trap or defeat the supervillain the team was up against,

*It also stole ideas from the Gerry Conway-Rich Buckler run on the book in the early 70s, where a different supervillain (Annihilus) tried to awaken baby Franklin's incredible mutant powers to use for his own ends

*A lot also came from John Byrne's famous run on the book in the 1980s, when it became established that Sue was the moral center of the team as well as the most powerful. It was also during Byrne's run that H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot was used as Franklin's babysitter. And Byrne's Galactus three-parter also had the four fighting Galactus on the streets on Manhattan.

*Finally, much of the emphasis on the incredible worldwide celebrity of this team (and the planet's dependence on them in times of crisis) were taken from the great Kurt Busiek-Alex Ross miniseries "Marvels."

A few more things:

*despite what OP claims, Johnny WAS shown to be obsessed with girls (he originally is attracted to the Silver Surfer in the movie and the others tease him about it). The actor who played him is quite sexy with a great body, and is handsome without beung classically modelp-handsome like Chris Evans (which I actually thought was great).

*I liked having Ben being gentle-tempered and more mature most of the time, which is more like how Byrne portrayed him than Lee-Kirby did. I liked that they got a Jewish actor to play him (since it's canon now that he was raised in a Jewish household)

*Vanessa Kirby gave the best performance in the film as Sue, and really showed how strong she was. She and Pascal genuinely had chemistry together, but I liked that she also doubted him sometimes like she so frequently does in the comics (though she always comes back to trusting him).

*The real star of the film is the design of late 60s NYC--they make it look believably and inventively retro-futuristic.

*The space sequence was very much like the Lee-Kirby stories, but I thought it was the most boring part of the film. It just went on for too long.

by Anonymousreply 15July 29, 2025 4:44 AM

Totally agree with r15, except I really enjoyed the space sequence.

r15, what do you think about the Jonathan Hickman run?

by Anonymousreply 16July 29, 2025 5:50 AM

The Fantastic Four is the most BORING team in the Marvel.

I don't know why filmmakers even bother with origin stories for characters that have been around for 65 FUCKING YEARS. They take up an hour of the film with that shit and then clusterfuck the last 30 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 17July 29, 2025 12:01 PM

The movie was fine. Nothing major. It won’t have strong legs

by Anonymousreply 18July 29, 2025 12:40 PM

[quote] I don't know why filmmakers even bother with origin stories for characters that have been around for 65 FUCKING YEARS. They take up an hour of the film with that shit and then clusterfuck the last 30 minutes.

You must not have seen this movie yet.

They explain the team's origin in about three minutes (as part of a television show-with in-the-movie) towards the film's beginning.

by Anonymousreply 19July 29, 2025 9:46 PM

R19 yup. That poster didn’t watch it. This is his second comment mentioning the origin story when this wasnt an origin story. Which has been stated above but he chooses to ignore it.

by Anonymousreply 20July 30, 2025 12:51 AM

R20 That was my second comment? Really? That's news to me.

by Anonymousreply 21July 30, 2025 12:42 PM
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