Amy Bradley is Missing - Netflix documentary

Is she the one that fell off the boat and drowned but her family insists that she was kidnapped?

Definately an all time favorite but is there anything new to tell? It's an old case. I think her parents might be dead. Maybe her brother has more to tell.

Just got done watching this. I remember this case from Unsolved Mysteries years and years ago. I long thought that she'd somehow fallen overboard (or been pushed by someone else) as this seemed like the most straightforward explanation, but the photos that surfaced of the unknown woman certainly look a lot like her and does make me wonder if she could have been a sex trafficking victim.

I thought it was interesting that the documentary went into elements of her personal life that were not previously made public, like that she was a lesbian and had a girlfriend (though by the looks of her, it isn't surprising whatsoever—she was very butch). I really felt awful for her parents while watching this. You can tell it destroyed them as well as her brother.

But how would she have been trafficked from a cruise ship in the middle of an ocean?

So boring. She fell over or was pushed. End of story.

Another possibility is that Amy ended her own life, her parents were not supportive of her being gay, her father wrote a three page letter telling how disappointed in Amy he was when she came out, that's a very painful thing when you're young.

Did they go into her sexuality and her parents reaction in the documentary?

They found the Birkenstocks she was wearing that evening on the cabin balcony.

Does U-Haul rent boats?

People love to jump to the sexual trafficking angle.

I suspect Alister Douglas wanted to hook up with her, found she was a lesbian, and raped and killed her. Or just killed her outright.

[R3], I agree there is a resemblance. Is there modern technology that could determine if the two photos are of the same person?

R11 in the Netflix series it was stated that a forensic analyst from the FBI did a comparison of the photo with numerous other photos of Amy, using overlays and taking measurements of all of her features (especially features that don't tend to naturally change over time, such as jawline, brow, ears) and his conclusion was that it was her.

R7 maybe I missed it, but I didn't catch the parents talking much about it. At the end, they did make comments about the prospect of having grandchildren from Amy that they've never met (under the presumption that she could still be alive under an assumed identity and have had children). I found this perverse because A) It is evident just by looking at her that Amy was very butch I find it doubtful she would have ever willingly carried a child and B) If she actually is alive and did give birth, those children would have been born out of circumstances in which their daughter had been prostituted and/or raped.

They did interview the girlfriend she was with at the time she went missing. The two had met in high school and reconnected after college. The way she described their relationship was very much typical of what a lot of gays/lesbians go through when they find each other. The girlfriend seemed like a good person who was very much in love with her. It was sad.

R6 the letter was written to Amy's girlfriend, not Amy, though I'm not sure that matters—I am sure Amy also read it. It did seem like Amy's childhood and college friends were all very supportive of her, at least, which was nice to hear. One of her best friends from college (who was straight) was the first person Amy came out to, and she made the trip back to Amy's house with her when she decided she wanted to tell her parents. That's a good friend.

Sex trafficking is the new fibromyalgia.

Do they go into her parents’ homophobia?

R16 I don't believe the family discussed her sexuality at all unless I missed it

Has there been instances of people hidden in trunks and kidnapped off cruise liners?

There's got to be an easier way if sex trafficking is the endgame.

I don't think gay issues played a part.....

and I don't know that I think any of the witnesses who saw her later in random locations were particularly credible somehow.

the show tried to paint the musician as a sinister figure, the suitcase of pics of white women I found to be very strange..... but I guess he checked out .

it seems some fluke fall overboard makes as much sense as anything.

[quote]I didn't catch the parents talking much about it. At the end, they did make comments about the prospect of having grandchildren from Amy that they've never met (under the presumption that she could still be alive under an assumed identity and have had children). I found this perverse because A) It is evident just by looking at her that Amy was very butch I find it doubtful she would have ever willingly carried a child and B) If she actually is alive and did give birth, those children would have been born out of circumstances in which their daughter had been prostituted and/or raped.

Honestly, many parents like hers wouldn't care how their grandchildren came into this world.

Since she wasn't into men, I think she was hanging out with Alistair because he had drugs, and/or he said he knew where they could get some in Curacao. She went off with him willingly and then he kidnapped her or passed her over to some local traffickers.

The trafficking just seems far fetched.

Sad that her family was cold about her being a lesbian

Occam's Razor. She was drunk and went overboard. Some suggest she was vomiting over the side and leaned too far forward.

So multiple witnesses and photos that were forensically confirmed to be a match mean nothing? Creepy bass player collecting white women's photos who was the last person to be seen with her?

Witnesses are notoriously unreliable and forensics from who and where? A vetted source? Crackpot?

There are just too many unlikely and implausible scenarios involved in the trafficking scenario. It’s more likely she jumped. Her family seemed superficially close but also highly controlling. Her father had just written a three page rant to her girlfriend before the cruise, They were homophobic at worst and not thrilled with her being a lesbian at best. At 5’4”, she had drank at least seven beers that night. She was likely drunk and made a fateful decision. They are in denial about their role in this and would rather chase the racist ‘white slavery’ trafficking trope. It made me a bit angry that people think this kind of scenario is typical of trafficking while the plight of the majority of victims goes ignored because they come from less advantaged backgrounds. Couldn’t ignore the major MAGA vibes from the family.

Holy Cow! She was only 5'4"? All these years I pictured her as a girl who played softball.

In the doc, her father and mother say they were disappointed to learn Amy was gay. The dad admits he wrote the 3 page letter to Amy’s girlfriend, but also says they never stopped loving Amy. IMO Dad shows guilt and premature aging, as if he gets that they didn’t know Amy really, whether she jumped or went ashore to get drugs. Actually, I thought the witnesses seemed pretty credible. If Amy went ashore and was drugged and or told they’d murder her parents if she talked, couldn’t the whole sex trafficking thing be plausible? I mean it was the nineties. Dark side of the Caribbean and all. And poor brother whose life just stalled and his hair turned grey.

There is no evidence she went ashore

I don't think you can just leave the ship that easily at night.

R29, that's correct. Which makes the assertion that she was somehow smuggled off the ship that much sillier

I've heard about this case before, but the documentary is really compelling. One thing that stood out to me was about the IP address from Barbados that spends hours on the site looking at family updates particularly at thanksgiving, Christmas and family birthdays.

R8 Yes a pair of her Birkenstocks were on the balcony, but I believe her father said that her regular/walking shoes were gone.

Birkenstocks? Yep, she was a dyke!

That former Cruise Director is a total piece of shit.

This woman was HR on cruise ships for 2 decades. She has a book coming out soon which spills a lot of dirty secrets including sex trafficking.

Here is her substack link. She’s very pro-gay.

I feel like she most likely jumped. She was stuck on a boat with her homophobic family and had too much alcohol leading to impulsive suicide. Also as perverse as it sounds I think a lot of families in these missing person cases cling to the idea that the missing family member was sex trafficked because it gives them hope that the family member might still might be alive.

The family has hidden her sexuality from the beginning, and even on the Reddit true crime and missing persons groups, long time followers are kind of shocked it’s just coming to light. I wonder if the documentary directors went around the family to force the issue. It really does change the theories about what happened based on mental health and stress of being in an unsupportive environment.

With this in mind, it becomes weirder to listen to the family. They really talked a lot about how all the men on the cruise were attracted to her and how magnetic she was (wait staff, Yellow, creepy guy in cabin next door, etc). They seemed almost proud of it. The mother bizarrely goes on about the possibility grandchildren as a result of her theoretical trafficking. Is that better than being a lesbian? The brother has been on X the last couple days insisting Amy was bi because she had a boyfriend not long before. Maybe the boyfriend was a beard for her disapproving family because she told all her girlfriends otherwise. The cumulative effect of all this is they hid the fact for years and still don’t want anyone to think she’s was is ‘fully gay’. I’d like to know if the parents’ comments about her sexuality in the documentary were freely given or because they knew it would come out because they were confronted with the interviews from her former girlfriends.

Anyway, it wasn’t hard to tell unless you are blind.. My radar went off after a handful of photos of her were shown.

I’m midway through the first episode. The cruise director is talking about the initial search of the ship, called a Charlie Drill. 900 crew members search the entire ship and it takes about 45 minutes. He said crew members search their own rooms. If a crew member is hiding something in their room (evidence, a person, a body, etc. ) it’s not going to be found/revealed.

Yellow seems highly suspect. She could’ve walked off the boat with him the next day. I don’t think it’s suicide. I think she met with foul play. The door being open suggests she left the cabin. The two witnesses who said they saw them together around 5:30-6am going up to the club would definitely mean she met with foul play if what they say is true.

Her camera disappeared with her and was never found. She probably climbed onto the table that was near the balcony to take pictures of the sunrise and fell overboard, or maybe coming down from something and made the impulsive decision to jump. Seems to me that her family are guilty for never accepting her and grasping at straws.

It's very possible she fell overboard by mistake or on purpose (the table up against the balcony the front of the balcony is worrying though it could've been moved when the cabin was cleaned after Amy was reported missing).

The thing is, I don't think it was suicide. Yes her family being (and still seemingly) homophobic bastards would've been a source of conflict for her but based on episode three, Amy increasingly seemed like she was moving "away" from her family: she had a new job, a new apartment, a new dog, and she and her girlfriend were in a good place. There was no sign she was depressed, I mean I know not all suicidal people are outwardly depressed, but she did seem to have a friend group that she was comfortable confiding in.

Even if she decided to kill herself, it's very likely she would've survived the fall into the water from her cabin balcony, and the temperature was warm enough that she would've been able to stay alive for some time. Additionally, they were very near the docks of Willemstad, so unless she was unconscious, someone would've seen her or heard her screaming.

It's those photos of the sex worker from the website that is what raises my eyebrows. It looks damn like her, and apparently, she's posed in such a way that hides any identifying marks such as tattoos and birthmarks. It's no secret that the Dutch Antilles (particularly the southern Islands of Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire) have major issues with drug and sex trafficking. If the witnesses who claim to have seen Amy and Yellow together after 5:30 am are correct, it's possible he drugged her and hid her (likely with the help of others onboard) and smuggled her off when the ship docked shortly after in Curacao. Remember this was pre-9/11 security was far less rigorous and having known people who've worked on cruise ships, the crew isn't monitored in the same way passengers are (particularly 3rd party talent that are not actually hired directly through the cruise line like a lot of bands and other entertainment).

RE: the sex trafficking theory. If she was trafficked, how long does sex slavery “last” in situations like this? Amy would be middle-aged now and not likely a viable prostitute as she’s no longer nubile. When trafficking victims age out, what happens to them? Are they killed? Do they resume “normal” lives? If she is still alive and is the person lurking on the family’s website, what’s stopping her from reaching out? Would she still be under the thumb of her traffickers, and if so, would she still be working as a prostitute all these years later?

The Dutch Antilles do NOT have a problem with white women being kidnapped off cruise ships, forced into prostitution, then forced to pose for pics with bad 80s perms

R41 Those are good questions. Maybe she’s a hard core drug addict since a lot of trafficked people are given drugs. Maybe they have blackmail on here of her doing kids. Maybe they threatened to kill her family. There’s a lot of what ifs. Personally, I’d go with a drug addiction. Or she’s just a completely broken person by it all.

Isn’t she kind of… homely to be a sex worker?

R44 She had a great body. A lot of people found her cute. Maybe she was a virgin which would’ve fetched a big price. Sex pests aren’t after sex they’re after power and dominance.

Dat face she need good poosey… maybe tight annus…

There’s no doubt she got off the ship and met with foul play. Too many credible sightings where she said her name, where she was from, she needed help. The photos of her on a sex website 7 years later where the FBI said it was her. She was sex trafficked. It appears she had children from that. I’m not sure if I believe she is alive now. If she is I think she would’ve been recognized by now especially by her tattoos. Even if she had children they would’ve killed her by now. She knew and saw too much. I’m 90% sure she’s dead and 99% sure she was sex trafficked.

I don't think sex traffickers normally go after young white American women from seemingly normal middle class families much less take them from cruise ships. HOWEVER if this is what happened it was someone operating outside the normal policies and procedures sotospeak. Someone owed someone money or had some kind of large debt to pay. Or they were just crazy.

I think perhaps the intention wasn’t to traffic her until she went to buy drugs. I think this is where she got into trouble.

But Occam’s Razor says she fell overboard likely while puking, dropped her cigs/lighter reached for them and splash.

The picture resembles her but I don't think it's an exact match. For one, the picture shows someone in 80s (early 90s, at the latest) hair and dress style, whereas her vanishing happened in 1998? I think she fell overboard, since she was still drinking when her brother (who I find kind of hot, then and now) went to bed. It might have started to hit her suddenly and she became disoriented and went over the railing. Who knows. Before I was sober I had many falls that I am lucky did not injure me badly, and those are the ones I actually can remember.

Her brother was and is hot.

She was an expert drinker. She had 7 beers in 9 hours. Maybe some shots. She was an expert college girl who knew how to drink. I don’t know if what she drank was over her limit. It doesn’t seem so.

Copycat. 👅

The Navy guy has zero reason to lie. He has every reason to be embarrassed and he waited for years, critical years, to come forward. She explicitly said her name to him and said she had left to get drugs and they were holding her. I find his account and the lady who saw her in the bathroom in Barbados credible. The lady in Barbados reported the incident I believe immediately. So it seems Like there’s a good possibility she met with unfortunate circumstances.

I dunno. I didn’t find the Navy guy or the bathroom lady very credible. They might have encountered a woman who was in those circumstances, but someone other than Amy.

The message in a bottle letter was really interesting with its oceanic imagery. I think she was depressed over the girlfriend ghosting her and planned a dramatic exit jumping off the ship. They’d supposedly made up right before the trip though, so I can’t see her going through with it. I think she accidentally fell overboard for some reason or other.

After the first episode, I assumed that she had died by suicide. I’ve known of several people who suddenly and seemingly without logical reason decided to take their own life. Such impulses have their own logic, entirely unknown to anybody else, and often for those left behind the seeking of an alternative explanation is a strange mechanism to deal with the sad illogicality of it all.

But after the other two episodes? Damn, what a strange and grim story, irrespective of whether those sightings were actually her or not.

And all the that sadness upon sadness without resolution. The stasis of her parents’ lives. I found the girlfriend with the message in a bottle to be so smart and articulate about what happens to those that are left in the wake of another person’s disappearance.

She was dancing with Yellow, she’s a closeted lesbian, he wants to sex her up, she pushes him away because she’s lesbian, he says nasty shit, she gets depressed and makes a rash decision to jump. If she’d ever had suicide ideation, it’s the likeliest possibility even if she seemed happy at the time. Especially if she seemed happy. A lot of people who commit suicide have made a decision to do so and are at peace with it, which is why people never suspect.

The sightings are interesting. I don’t recall ever hearing of first hand sightings of other missing girls described in such great detail by credible witnesses.

Has anyone described how someone could have gotten Amy off the boat without being noticed? People aren’t carrying luggage off the boat when it’s visiting a port. Wouldn’t someone have seen her exiting the ship?

It’s strange to me that she was interested in spending any amount of time with the band’s guitarist. He was older than her and I doubt they had much in common. She’s young, gay, athletic, and attractive. Him? We know very little about him except that he plays guitar, likes to flirt, and has a daughter. The alleged suitcase full of women’s photographs was odd.

Amy could’ve walked off with everyone else when they exited around 7 o’clock, there’s no way the brother by himself search that entire boat, it is extremely possible. She just walked out with the masses.

[quote] It’s strange to me that she was interested in spending any amount of time with the band’s guitarist. He was older than her and I doubt they had much in common. She’s young, gay, athletic, and attractive. Him? We know very little about him except that he plays guitar, likes to flirt, and has a daughter. The alleged suitcase full of women’s photographs was odd.

He could have given her drugs. I don't think she would have had any other reason to be with him at 5:30 am.

Her brother just posted that Amy had a boyfriend and the documentary cut him out.

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Amy had a boyfriend.

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Jumping or falling off a ship at night in the middle of the ocean sounds like a terrifying experience if you survive the fall and know that you are going to drown.

I just can’t see this soft butch bisexual woman allowing herself to be trafficked to men for decades without somehow getting free and contacting family. The family makes it seem like she was a sex kitten that men found irresistible, but the photographic evidence says otherwise. But who knows. Smuggling a woman off a ship in a suitcase seems rather far-fetched. Sorry, I can’t buy the sex trafficking stuff at all. She died that night and they can’t let go.

It was posted on that reddit thread that her brother is a Trumper and an Andrew Tate follower.

The simplest explanation is often the correct one. I highly doubt Amy committed suicide. She had a girlfriend that made her happy and looked forward to reconnecting with after the cruise. Although her homophbic parents were a problem, she apparently had a close relationship with her brother Brad and only agreed to go on the trip because he was going. Amy and Brad got plastered the night she disappeared, but according to the computerized door lock system, they were both back in their family's room by 4 am.

According to Amy's father, he awoke around five thirty am and saw his daughter passed out on a sunlounger. He went back to his room. When he awoke again thirty minutes later, Amy was gone, but so was her lighter and pack of cigarettes. She likely went out on the balcony to have a smoke and accidentally fell into the water. Case closed. Because she was so drunk, she likely sank like a stone as soon as she hit the water. Obviously, there would be no trace of her today after that.

I'm not buying the random sightings. There are lot's of random unrelated people in the world who resemble each other. I personally believe we all have a doppelganger out there somewhere. These sick fantasies of sex trafficking only disparage Amy's memory. I found an article on this case that provides a detailed timeline.

She was fucking GAY. She wasn’t bisexual.

R64, yikes. Feel sorry for this lesbian who was trapped in a horrible, homophobic family

People on Reddit, a place where people love to come up with conspiracies, are all in agreement that she fell overboard and the parents need to accept it and quit wasting everyone’s time. I’ve never seen people on Reddit say that before but they sound sick and tired of hearing about the case and all these ridiculous sightings.

The woman in the doc claiming to have met her in the bathroom is laughably ridiculous. “I think she said West Virginia but she spoke too low.” 5 minutes later, “She stated that she was from West Virginia.” Then she’s saying that she probably had children and the parents think they have grandchildren. They’re probably thrilled about that because perhaps that means she’s not a dyke. People on Reddit also believe that the brother is gay.

The mom wants to be reunited with the imaginary children Amy was forced to bear.

Better to be raped by thousands of men than gay! At least she would have given me grandchildren!

I think the brother is gay, too. “I don’t want children because I’m traumatized” doesn’t cut it.

How ironic that her family are MAGATs. Maybe her brother pushed her off the balcony.

Wait, so her brother's name is Brad Bradley? Seriously?

Let me guess, the boyfriend lived in Canada.

Her family seemed so awful in the doc and online that I’m starting to think she committed suicide (I used to think she just fell overboard).

She was clearly gay and prob made up some boyfriend after her hateful dad’s letter.

People are not trafficking white US women on board with their entire family. She never left the ship.

Her family is grabbing onto trafficking like they do the “boyfriend”. They are a bunch of delusional MAGAts.

I’m starting to think they’re grifting off of this with the gofundme. The family did come off as very homophobic. Her brother said she had a boyfriend she had just gotten with and was planning a trip to see Letterman with him? Maybe he was a beard, and also gay, and the brother was fucking him. They interviewed him for the doc but they didn’t add him in. They probably knew he was a beard and she was gay gay gay gay gay. If she was questioning it, it was because off her homophobic family. They seem like trash.

The doc left out the story of the private investigator who scammed their family. It was covered on other true crime shows. They paid him thousands and he faked photos of AB on a beach - painted a Tasmanian Devil tattoo on a girl to look like Amy.

If the IP address out of the Caribbean is suspicious, can’t the FBI follow up and investigate who owns that IP address? It seems like an easy enough lead to look into.

R76 They cannot.

It's starting to sound like the family has a sick MAGAT fantasy. Their gay daughter being trafficked and turned straight by all that hetero sex.

R78 Exactly.

Was her boyfriend George Glass by chance?

R76 No the FBI cannot access IP information without cooperation with permission of the Barbados authorities where the IP is apparently from. The reality is that most police forces in Caribbean countries are corrupt as fuck and heavily involved in all the drug and trafficking in those countries.

Having heard the responses from Amy's brother about her dating life...I'm leaning more and more toward suicide. I am curious if this dude was truly her boyfriend, why they would've cut him totally from the documentary. The only reason I can think of Amy fully coming out as a lesbian to her parents and then allegedly still having a boyfriend was to try "pray the gay away" and that her new life (new job, new apartment, girlfriend) was a life pretty much closed off from her family.

This true crime podcaster is writing a book about the case, he has numerous interviews on his channel including an interview with "Yellow." In this video, he actually goes aboard the Rhapsody of Seas and gets a tour of the Bradley's cabin. Granted the ship has likely been overhauled in 25+ years, but the layout is the same.

R76 from one of the articles I was reading it sounds like it wasn’t the first time that the family had been mislead and scammed either this was just the largest amount of money. I feel like stories like that are imporant to include. So many people who fully buy into the trafficking theory always pull out but why would anyone lie about seeing her? And totally ignore all the times people lie in these missing person cases either for money, attention or delusion.

No one with a shred of brain believes the woman who said she saw Amy in a bathroom. You could smell the crazy through the tv screen.

[quote] I think the brother is gay, too. “I don’t want children because I’m traumatized” doesn’t cut it.

I hate to admit this but the first thing in my head when I heard him say this was, “Okay, fag.” 🤣 Who does he think he’s fooling? He might as well become a priest.

It’s the first time I heard someone named Yellow sound like he was telling the truth. What the fuck is the daughter going on about? Her father had a bag of photos of Caucasian women so that means he killed her!? She made no sense. They took photos on the boat as a matter or routine. I thought the cliffhanger was going to be that Amy was living with her father for a time. The doc had one idiot after the next interviewed.

Sex trafficking is more urban myth than reality in situations like this. It plays into fears of travel, foreign countries, people of color.

There is an entire part of the US that thinks all prostitution is sex trafficking. Like they cannot comprehend adults choosing sex work.

It’s the same crowd that believed Satanic panic, razor blades in Halloween candy and other Karen myths that were and are way overblown.

There is no way Amy Bradley was kidnapped for sex work. She looked like a 40 year old frumpy lesbian.

Very few women are kidnapped for sex work, regardless of what they look like.

Amy’s online looking at pictures of her family according to these weirdos. Then they ask if she has Internet service, why isn’t she contacting them? lol. No answer.

The woman in the photo already debunked.

It’s not sex work, it’s prostitution.

Everyone thinks that white women are being trafficking now. lol. They’ve broadened the term so much now that it basically means whatever the person wants. It’s like autism.

Hey, at least our dyke daughter is taking dick.

[r94] Mom totally giddy about being her rape baby grandkids. At least Amy didn’t do IUI with a woman!

Hi Matt Damon @[R85].

Did anyone think it was weird that Amy and her brother shared a bed together at their age on the ship?

The documentary is heartbreaking and her parents pain was almost unbearable to watch. But I highly doubt she was trafficked. She would have found a way to contact her friends or family. She wasn’t a typical trafficked victim—alone, with no family or resources.

It was late and she was drunk. I could see Yellow coming onto her, getting into a physical altercation and him killing her in a moment of rage. And disposing of her body. That seems like the most likely scenario. Poor girl. Poor family.

Amy parted ways with Yellow and she was in her cabin at 3,30 am. Her dad saw her sleeping on the balcony at 5:30 am and she wasn’t on the balcony at 6 am. Dad started looking for her around 6:30 am.

Regardless, I think we all agree she’s not alive today.

The brother released a statement in the last day ot two saying that Amy had broken it off with the woman she was with before the cruise vacation, and had been dating a man during that time. The man she was dating was not on the cruise, but he was apparently interviewed for the documentary and the filmmakers cut his scenes and even that entire part of the story. He said he isn't sure why. All very strange.

She was a fucking lesbian! It was very clear her preference was women. She might have “dated’ a male prior to the cruise for a smooth family experience, but it is very clear she was full on gay. Fuck her maga family.

I'm really surprised they didn't show the Gifford film where you make her out in the background on the conga line.

If the boyfriend wasn’t on the boat, I’m not sure why it’s relevant except to keep up the Bradley’s story that Amy wasn’t gay. They were practically giddy thinking of her taking cock, even when if it’s in a trafficking arrangement.

The filmmakers were way too generous with the Bradleys and let their laughable trafficking fiction dominate the entire series so they can hardly claim a bias against them.

R101 The brother seems to be changing his story. My understanding is that he said prior to this that Amy broke it off with Kat (her college girlfriend who received that three page letter from her father) to return to this boyfriend. At the time of the cruise, however, Amy was with Molly. Yes they did have a falling out when Amy admitted in a drunken moment she had kissed someone else (Molly isn't specific of the gender), but they worked it out and they were very much back together when Amy left for the cruise. According to Amy's friends she referred to herself as gay (aka a lesbian) not bisexual. The boyfriend was probably nothing more than a confused attempt at trying to please her parents. Also I think it's implied either in the documentary or in subsequent interviews by people involved with the documentary, that Amy had girlfriends in high school.

As to why the boyfriend's interview was cut, my feeling is based on a couple interviews I've listened to with Ari Mark and Phil Lott, the executive producers and directors of Amy Bradley Is Missing, they wanted to be faithful to who Amy was as a person. All of her friends seem adamant that Amy identified as gay not bi and I suspect that's why the "bf" was cut from the documentary. I also think it actually may have been an attempt not to make the family look as homophobic as they seem to be.

Maybe the bf was on the cruise with them in another cabin

R106 Why would you say that?

Amy Bradley and the myths of sex trafficking - Pat Brown

This thread is dying out. I thought it would max out.

I'm watching and the brother kinda pings to me, no?

The Netflix documentary states she was a very small person and had drunken nine beers that night. She was likely wasted beyond belief.

R111 She was a drinker. She had a high tolerance. That was established in the documentary.

That's a lot of drinks though and I'm twice her size.

R113 She’s use to it, even her dad said that was nothing for her.

I thought her brother said she was “tipsy” that night.

R115 Of course she was tipsy. She wasn’t near falling down drunk. She was buzzed. She can handle her alcohol.

This case has fascinated me for a while. Regardless of her parents views on her sexuality, you can tell they’re deeply obsssessed with her after all these years and can’t let it go.

Now honestly, as others have mentioned before in this thread, I don’t see why, if amy was still alive, she wouldn’t make any attempt at contacting her family at this point and with how (presumably) easy it is to contact anyone, anywhere and anytime with the internet in 2025.

With that said, yes, accidentally drowning does seem to make the most sense. The only “hole” in that theory mentioned in the documentary was that apparently, multiple authorities (the us coast guard as well as its counterparts in Venezuela and the Dutch Antilles) “combed” the area of the sea she would have drowned in and “couldn’t find any signs” even though “she should have washed ashore” at some point although I’m skeptical in how confident those people were in stating that. Thoughts about this?

R117 The whole she would have washed up on shore thing seemed iffy to me.

Is trafficking kidnapped adults really such a big thing? I assumed it was mostly runaways or very young people lured away and kidnapped minors sometimes

R119, you're correct. Most trafficking involves girls or young women who are already vulnerable, like immigrants and runaways. No one is kidnapping women off cruise ships to traffic them

[120] what about wayward passengers who leave the ship briefly to score drugs?

How close was the ship to shore when she disappeared? Could she have been consumed by sharks, hence no body washing ashore? Was the body of that teenage boy who jumped off his graduation cruise ship into what appeared to be a family of sharks ever found?

She fell overboard and was eaten by a shark or something

They were very close to shore.

Her terrible parents drove her to suicide with their bigotry. The brother is gross and should stfu. I don't know why so many fraus are still believing she was kidnapped.

Rape fantasies @R125

the brother is ugly as fuck and completely delusional. I don't understand why 25 years later they are still in denial that Amy killed herself.

Also the unsolved Mysteries segment presented her as a cute femme woman but she was a butch the whole time. they need to be held to account for their decades of lies.

If you didn't smell power tools, pussy and Birkenstocks at first sight of her Stevie Wonder has better eye sight. This sounds more like a suicide brought on by a nasty homophobic family who even in death want her to be straight. She played fucking basketball, had a boy haircut and wore fucking dyke shoes. Who the fuck are they kidding?

Birkenstocks. Don’t leave the closet without them.

It’s clear she got the boyfriend to make the cruise go smoother with her homophobic family. She would’ve dumped his ass right after the cruise.

Never heard of this incident, but I'd watch a documentary series on the case of George Smith IV, the very good-looking young newlywed who went overboard on a Royal Caribbean while honeymooning with his wife, under suspicious circumstances. The strange reaction from his new widow and a dodgy group of others they were parting with led to much speculation, but nothing conclusive. 20 years later, I would still love to know more.

[quote] Never heard of this incident, but I'd watch a documentary series on the case of George Smith IV

Really, they refer to him as the 4th?

Her father sees on her the balcony, comes back and sees only her shoes there - um, duh, she’s in the ocean.

First off, baring some kind of miracle Amy is dead. What I find interesting, however, is no one has brought up the idea of drugs. Amy was a bit of a party girl, liked to drink and I feel like it was never said directly but maybe implied she was probably a recreational drug user. My husband used to work on cruise ships (for Royal Caribbean) in the early 2000s and he has said drugs were fairly common and easy obtain for the crew. I'm just wondering if perhaps she had taken something at the party from Yellow. Or if the women who saw her and Yellow allegedly after 5:30, was some kind of drug deal done wrong.

Whatever happened, Amy was not trafficked. A white, middle class American woman is generally not the target of these operations.

R132 Apparently, as told in this unauthorized version by a rather irritating narrator.

New interview with Amy's ex-girlfriend Kat. After listening to it....Amy jumped....end of story.

[R136]. What specifically led you to that conclusion? Toward the tail end of the interview, Kat talks about how AB “lived life on the edge”. They went bungee jumping together and AB “walked on the edges of things”. That made me wonder if Kat theorizes that AB’s death was the result of an unfortunate accident. AB likely sat on the edge of the ship’s railing, perhaps to take a photo, lost her balance and fell to her death. It would make the most sense. Her shoes were there, but her camera was missing. There were prints on the glass that point to someone sitting on the ledge.

What time did the sun rise the day she went missing. She could have been taking a photo of the morning sunrise.

How far up was their cabin from the water? Could she have died on impact? Would she have hit any part of the ship during the fall?

Was she intoxicated from the evening of drinking or had the alcohol worn off?

One more question, if the ship was nearing the port, is it suspicious/odd that her body never washed up on shore/was never found?

Am I the only one who thinks Dad threw her off the balcony for being a carpet muncher?

Well, maybe her body was pulled into the propellers….

The brother mentioned that the alleged boyfriend was “crazy about her”, but that doesn’t mean she was crazy about him or they were crazy about each other.

What straight guy could not see she loved pussy? I mean, did they need to see her hoovering rug it to figure it out?

People love believing that white women are always being trafficked when it’s actually brown ones that are usually the victims. They get no airtime though unless they were with a celebrity like Diddy.

Why is this random old ass case from the 90s worth a whole Netflix docuseries. Also it's bizzare to me to see woman posting online that their hope Amy's found safe and sound . How can anyone watch this and not see that she jumped ?

R136 & R137 I'm 100% certain she went overboard but still in the air (no pun intended) over whether it was intentional or not. Kat's observations about Amy toward the end of the interview makes it highly probably Amy was "taking a risk" and sitting/standing on the balcony rail and went over. But also Kat's re-telling of Amy's family's response to her coming out, makes me think suicide is a possibility. Her family was not supportive (and still seems so 27 years later) of Amy being a lesbian (Amy identified as a dyke according to Kate) and her "boyfriends" we a result of pressure from her family. Even Kat got a fake boyfriend (the brother of Amy's boyfriend) in order to hide the fact they were a couple. Amy's father then blamed Kat for making Amy gay in that three page letter. Given Amy's family has spent decades not addressing her sexuality makes me think it's very possible something went down on that cruise that drove a drunk Amy over the edge, literally.

Also, apparently a human jawbone came ashore in Aruba in 2010. Originally it was thought it could belong to Natalee Holloway, but DNA test disproved that and there is some thought it could be Amy's remains but it's never been tested.

As for the cabin, it was on deck 8 so it's very possible Amy would've died on impact. Falling into the water from multiple stories is like hitting a brick wall.

R140 The bow wave caused from the ship's movement actually pushes you away from the ship so getting sucked into the propellers is highly unlikely. Also If her body did get into the propellers somehow, the impact likely would've registered on the bridge.

R139 I doubt it. I think someone would've heard something if the father and Amy were having some kind of disagreement. Although to be honest, Brad (the brother) has so many outlandish theories that haven't made it to air but he talks about in his interviews, and is so in denial about Amy's sexuality, I feel like he knows more than he's saying. He seems really slimy in all honesty.

R144 Because true crime fraus eat it up.

[R145] I never heard about the jawline found ashore- that seems very telling

TikTok is nuts right now over this;. thousands of non critical thinking idiots still pushing the trafficking story.

Amy's parents had her legally declared dead when she had on;y been missing 2 months s they could collect on a large insurance policy. I'm wondering why that was left out of the documentary.

I think it’s very likely she posed sitting on the rail with her feet on the table and fell over. They were close to shore, though, and the currents undoubtedly would have brought her body to shore.

Or she left the boat to store drugs and met with foul play and was killed.

r150, I thought so but Amys GF insists she wasn't a drug person. she jumped.

R151 We all start somewhere. If she was depressed she might have wanted drugs.

After spending all that time with my homophobic family, I needed drugs big time

Her brother just posted this. This family is fucked up.

What a stupid asshole

And he wonders why his sister might have killed herself.

I know someone who worked on that cruise ship, Rhapsody of the Seas, for years after Amy went missing. She was high up. Her OPINION based on those she spoke to- she WAS with Yellow after 5:30am and went with him to the crew area. She died down there (overdose or killed). Sandbags were missing in the crew area. Weighted her down and threw her overboard. All her OPINION.

There’s a lot of information no one can say because the cruise industry is very powerful and will sue you into oblivion. Her family knows way more than they are letting on.

I think the brother pushed her off the ship.

R159 I spoke to a person high up on cruise ships who spent years on Rhapsody of the Seas. She knows shit. In her expert opinion, Amy was in the crew area after 5:30am. She never left the area. Sandbags were missing. Do the math.

The brother pushes all kinds of conspiracy theories.

Another lesbian who vanished from a cruise ship!

R162 That’s what my friend on the Rhapsody said- you aren’t getting SHIT from these cruise lines ever. They have it ALL on tape about Rebecca and Amy. They KNOW Amy was in the crew area (ALLEGEDLY) before she vanished.

I still think it’s more likely that she fell or jumped. But the theory that she OD and then dumped into the sea after being supplied drugs from a crew member seems way more likely. But It seems like the family are convinced she has been trafficked. Which just makes them seem delusional. Doesn’t help that the brother is constantly posting on Twitter.

She’s dead.

The brother walked in on her falling off, tried to save her, but couldn’t.

He looks forlorn, worn & absolutely devastated, because he held the secret inside of him for too long, even if it was for just an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, or decades.

He finally came clean & told the family.

They dod not want to believe him, just like they did not want to believe their daughter was actually, REALLY gay.

They finally believe him now, after many, many years, which is why they felt comfortable appearing in a documentary that was crafted/edited to leave more questions than answers, which isn’t actually true, but they somehow have convinced themselves that it is, & are all too invested in the Zeitgeist of the case, rather than coming out with it, which is seriously, pretty frightening, so I understand.

She’s gone.

They know it, & so do most people who aren’t dragging this out for financial motives.

She went overboard.

Yellow was creepy, however there have been no suspicious incidents with women onboard before or after the Amy thing.

The entire scenario is based on the family's timeline. The father was sleeping, is he sure about the time? He woke up to a noise, was it Amy going overboard? Are they telling the truth? Why was the family in a panic 1/2 hour after their capable, adult daughter wasn't in the room? Why did they run to search for her and not just think something like she went to get coffee. The family knows something and they've kept it to themselves this entire time.

I always go back to this picture of her taken on the cruise. She has a sadness in her eyes, and her mouth is tightened like she doesn't want to take the picture and doesn't really want to be there and is barely tolerating being stuck on a boat in the same room as her parents and her brother.

I think a snap drunken decision to jump ship and end her misery is a very plausible scenario.

These witnesses who talk about seeing Amy, a perfect stranger, walk into a room and "light it up" make my eyes roll.

Clearly, Amy was average looking at best, a young girl who would most definitely not have "lit up a room" when she walked into it.

These so-called witnesses seem to just want camera time.

“Why was the family in a panic 1/2 hour after their capable, adult daughter wasn't in the room? Why did they run to search for her and not just think something like she went to get coffee. The family knows something and they've kept it to themselves this entire time.”

This! Since her camera was missing it would make sense to assume she left to take photos somewhere else in the ship. Has anyone asked the family why they so quickly jumped to the conclusion that she was missing?

R169 It almost makes you think they were aware she was emotionally unstable and were keeping an eye on her.

If the family knew anything they wouldn't have been scammed by that fake PI.

R157, how’d they find her key, carry her up to her room, probably on an elevator no less, get inside, without anyone noticing? Her father had just seen her and she was on the balcony. All that was left were her shoes.

R171, I doubt they accepted that she was emotionally unstable. They seem totally removed from reality and total assholes.

R167, you’re typing frauish. Stop that this instant.

[quote] Another lesbian who vanished from a cruise ship!

It’s probably death by Birkenstocks.

In the Rebecca Corriam case the cruise ship claimed some flowery patterned flip flops on deck belonged to Rebecca. Her friends were all "No, she's a carpet muncher! She'd never wear those!"

Her brother would have no reason to keep it a secret if he witnessed her falling. The only circumstances in which him maintaining silence would be if she fell overboard because he pushed her, which I don’t believe. It seems he was pretty close to his sister.

This is like the Elisa Lam case. People want a scandal when reality is much more boring.

R178, or the Somerton Man case

Or the Lori Ruff case. Everyone wanted her to be a fugitive with a dark past. She was just hiding from her abusive family.

You may not believe me but I’m telling you the brother knew she went to score drugs from the crew who my friend who worked on the Rhapsody said were abundant during those days. She waited on the balcony until a certain time to meet Yellow. Royal Caribbean has it all on tape. My friend said the cruise line has CCTV of her and Yellow walking to the crew area. She never came out. Sand bags were missing which my friend said have to be accounted for because the crew area had flooding issues with leaks in the pipes. My friend was high up in HR. She said Amy never left the crew area.

R181 is the type of insider information that makes DL what it is.

I just finished watching this. The photo evidence of the whore is pretty compelling. Those photos do look a lot like Amy

What I don't understand, though, is how no one associated with the case seems particularly interested in pursuing the IP pings they keep getting from Barbados. I know the FBI agent said they can't demand records since it's out of U.S. jurisdiction, but my gosh, there HAS to be a way to track down the location of those pings, especially if they could lead to Amy.

I also don't understand that if she's really out there why she hasn't found SOME way to escape or at least get a message to someone.

R181 Sounds to me like Amy went with Yellow to get some drugs, something happened, and he killed her - maybe accidentally.

R181 I believe it. Does your friend think she OD’d?

R181 Has your friend contacted the FBI with this information?

[quote] What I don't understand, though, is how no one associated with the case seems particularly interested in pursuing the IP pings they keep getting from Barbados. I know the FBI agent said they can't demand records since it's out of U.S. jurisdiction, but my gosh, there HAS to be a way to track down the location of those pings

That’s what I thought. If they had a general idea where the pings were, go rent a shack or something and hang out for a few months. Surely Amy would walk around at some point. There can’t be that many people living in the area.

R185 She suspects an OD. Her file was in the sexual assault file, though. RC didn’t hand it over to the FBI nor will they. These cruise empires are almost untouchable. RC knows exactly what happened to her. They may not know she was thrown overboard weighted down by sand bags, but they know she never came out of the crew area. ALLEGEDLY.

If she died on the ship, then what's up with all these eyewitnesses swearing they saw and/or talked to Amy? Are they delusional or are they just wanting TV time?

I feel bad for Yellow. his only crime was being a black man who was talking to Amy that night.

[r188], does your friend or RC think Yellow had anything to do with her death? How would the sand bags be attached to her? How would that even work? Wouldn’t the sandbags bust open if thrown overboard? What did your friend say about Amy’s family? Any insight? I want to know why they jumped to the conclusion she was missing after 30 minutes of knot knowing where she was. Most people would just assume their family member when for a walk, went for coffee, went to take photos, went to the bathroom, etc.

One more thing, if RC suspected Yellow had anything to do with AB’s disappearance, they would have fired him. They wouldn’t want to deal with investigations or future trouble with other passengers. The Netflix special reported he continued to work on RC for several more years, iirc.

If the ship knew what happened why would it keep the events hidden from the family?

R193 I’m assuming because their employee sold her the drugs that killed her?

R189 a mix of both. It happens pretty frequently that people will report seeing a missing person. Sometimes it’s real but sometimes it not.

If the woman in the photos is not Amy, but looked much like her, maybe the woman in the photos is the woman the witnesses reported seeing.

But what about the two witnesses who said they talked to her and she identified herself as Amy?

Sheksh Shlave?

R181 Why doesn't your friend contact the family or the FBI? This sounds like some pretty bombshell-ish information that could finally get closure for the family.

[R197], maybe her name also happens to be Amy?

My gut tells me she never get off the ship and that she either fell or jumped overboard or died in some kind of situation with Yellow.

But those photos of the prostitute are strikingly similar to Amy. The only thing is that Amy would be 50 today if she was still alive and likely would have no longer been useful as a prostitute at least 15 years ago. Why did she never contact her family, unless she was killed after she was no longer a viable commodity?

R20 But remember, the sailor said she identified herself as "Amy Bradley."

That girlfriend of hers was kind of weird, but she's the only one among Amy's family and friends who seems to have resigned herself to the fact that Amy's never coming back.

It was interesting that the sailor said the woman who claimed to be Amy told him she owed money to some guys and had to pay them back before she could leave. That could explain a drug-prostitution connection.

Could it be possible that Yellow or somebody from the ship's crew supplied Amy with drugs, then told she'd have to fuck some guys to pay off her debt as a way to get her off the ship and into the trade?

I still struggle with the fact that anyone would target Amy for sex work. I mean, let's be honest here. The girl had a face for radio.

But she had a twat, R205.

And the brother is a Trumper and an absolute asshole. The wrong Bradley went missing.

R206 You're telling me there wasn't another woman on that giant ship with a decent face and a twat?

Yes, the brother is a complete MAGAt asshole. That gives you insight into the family dynamic and makes me believe more in the Amy jumping overboard theory.

The father threw her over. For being a scissor sister.

There are other pictures of that prostitute online, you can tell she's not Amy. She looks even less like Amy in the other pictures. No tattoos, different body type

How is my friend who worked for RC going to prove anything now? Any evidence is long gone and RC could sue her. She still works in the cruise industry. She worked on the Rhapsody 3 years after Amy went missing. She worked with a lot of people who were on the ship at the time Amy went missing. The FBi didn’t even interview all the crew. She’s already had a run in with Carnival which caused her a lot of trouble. The FBI didn’t do their jobs and RC didn’t hand over what they had ALLEGEDLY. One thing she did hear from crew is Amy never left the crew area. The security working the Rhapsody was fired. My friend said Yellow didn’t continue working for RC. The ships hire local bands to play on the ships so he was contract work.

R210 it’s too bad your friend can’t give the family closure.

Also, just thinking…if Amy Bradley’s body were dumped into the harbor with sandbags, would there still be remains that could be found? I recall a jaw bone was found some years later that was determined not to belong to Natalee Holloway. I wonder why they don’t test it to see if it’s Bradley’s.

[quote]She suspects an OD. Her file was in the sexual assault file, though

Why would they file her like that? She made an assault complaint?

[quote]If the woman in the photos is not Amy

She’s not. She was already ID as a porn star and you can see her entire back in photos and there is no tattoo. Reddit went through the entire thing. It’s not her.

We now have the technology to do incredibly accurate face identification. Go through customs for a good example. It seems to me the documentary filmmakers went out of their way not to do this. I suspect if they had it would have found that the pictures are not of the same woman and thus a good half of their documentary would disappear.

Our daughter was fucking hot. GGrade A choice snatch from head to toe. Everyone noticed her sultry presence the moment she entered any room. That's why those colored people abducted her and sent her to sell pussy. She sold pussy she didn't eat it. Let's get that clear!

What do we know about the brother? He could be played by Randy Spelling in a made for tv movie.

R211 You think the family is going to believe my friend? She has no hard evidence. They will always believe she is alive somewhere out there no matter what.

The family doesn’t test the jawbone because they want to believe she’s alive.

R210 She could leave an anonymous tip to the FBI. People do it all the time.

R214 Can you provide a link to any of this?

R214 Was this all discovered AFTER the documentary came out?

My anti-vaxxer, RFK loving, conspiracy theory believing, doomsday prepper hair stylist told me about this documentary and insisted this woman was kidnapped into a white slavery sex ring (because there's nothing that pervs love more than plain faced lesbians) when the simplest explanation (she was drunk and fell overboard) is the most likely.

Even the dancing in the footage was dykey

R222 And that alone has me believing she either jumped or fell overboard.

She was 100% in the crew area b/w 5:30 and 6:00am.

How do you know [R225]? Witness accounts?

R226 My friend who worked for RC. I’ve posted in this thread many times.

There were two reliable witnesses placing Amy with Yellow bw those times.

I’m not confident in the eye witness accounts shown in the Netflix special. People make mistakes.

R229 With all we’ve read here it is likely those witnesses on the ship DID see her with Yellow going to the crew area.

I think she told her brother she was gonna hang out on the balcony until 5:30, then go get some drugs for the two of them. I think the brother is hiding that part.

R231 Yes, he is.

If she was 6’ tall, I could buy the accidentally fell explanation better. Given her short height, the simplistic explanation is she intentionally jumped. Suicide is so taboo that people contort themselves to come up with everything else. Adding that this cruise seems to have been an attempt by her family to have in intervention to encourage her to be straight, there was likely a psychological burden made worse by alcohol which is a depressant. I have ties to the region of Virginia where she’s from, and it wasn’t and still isn’t a bastion of enlightenment, She went from an athlete to a hard living drinker and smoker because of it.

R214 That's not true. On Reddit, there was a story going around that the woman in the pictures was a porn star named Randall Lee. That turned out to be debunked. The woman in the picture has still not been identified, and none of the photos of her online show the shoulder that would have the tattoo on it.

What's kind of freaky to me are the eyes of the woman in the picture compared to Amy's eyes. In both pictures, the left eye is kind of off-center and wonky.

The woman on the left has a wonky eye...Amy doesn't

They also have different eyebrow shapes

The whore looks nothing like the lez

I love how they go on and on about her visiting the web site they put together and then are asked the obvious: if she can access a web site why hasn’t she reached out to you. He has no answer.

No back tattoo. Not her. Now the brother is saying Scientology was involved. This entire family is nuts.

At this point if Amy was trafficked she’s better off. Her family is a nightmare.

R236 Uh, yeah, Amy's left eye is wonky as hell.

I kind of feel like if the family was serious about finding Amy, they'd have long ago flown to the location where those IP pings were coming from and done some digging around.

R239 I thought the brother had already taken back his Scientology theory or his doubled back?

I think suicide is the least plausible scenario. If she did fall, it was entirely accidental. She honestly didn’t seem suicidal. Yes, her parents probably weren’t the most supportive and not was the area of the world she was living in, but she had a very strong support system of friends/fellow lesbians. She seemed quite confident in herself.

[R244], I’m not convinced it was suicide, but I can’t rule it out. My reasoning: the letter in the bottle was rather ominous; Alcohol is a depressant and she’d been drinking a lot on the cruise; lack of family support - severe pain from their words and actions; covert depression

I can’t get past the fact that her family immediately assumed she was missing. Why did they jump to that conclusion so quickly? It would make more sense that she’d gone for a walk, gone to breakfast, gone for a swim, left to exercise, etc.

After following this case from the beginning, I was very surprised and disappointed to learn the family is antigay and in denial about AB’s sexuality. The brother’s nasty online presence is revolting and came as a real shock.

They knew she was missing because her brother knew she went to score drugs. He told the family that. She was absolutely seen in the crew area after 5:30 AM and never seen leaving the crew area. She did not suicide herself and she did not accidentally fall.

R246 So the family's been covering up all these years the knowledge that she went to get drugs? Why can't they just be honest about what they know? It could have helped solve her case years ago.

R247 Because they don’t want anyone to think ANYTHING other than Amy was an innocent heterosexual hottie who was trafficked and not a lesbo who wanted to party.

R227 Your friend who worked for RC sounds like a real piece of shit. Why didn't she ever come forward with her story? She could have done it anonymously.

R248 So they stymied progress on a case just so they could rewrite their daughter's story?

Some of you are always soooooooo close to getting it. Some of you ask why they didn’t assume she went to get coffee or something to eat or take pictures. IT IS BECAUSE THE BROTHER FUCKING KNEW SHE WENT TO BUY DRUGS!!!!!!! He knew she was going to meet Yellow at 5:30am. It is so fucking OBVIOUS.

R250 YES!!!!! Her family, in case it wasn’t crystal clear, are pieces of shit.

R251 Are you the poster with the friend who worked for RC?

R252 Nothing my friend could do to help. RC would deny everything. She was on the Rhapsody years later. The FBI should have interviewed ALL crew. They did not. RC also made sure they got nothing. All the theories she could say have already been looked at. RC hid evidence.

R169, that’s what I’m questioning, as well!

Something’s off with her family.

I don’t believe they harmed her, however, I do believe someone either suspected she had gone overboard, or actually knew she had.

The one single thing that REALLY bothers me is that photo of Amy, sitting on a bed, wearing lingerie.

Where did that photo come from, & when was it taken? Was it taken before she disappeared, before she cut her long hair, or afterwards.

I understand we have been fed a narrative that this was some sort of “BackPage” photo used by human traffickers in order to solicit Johns, but how do we actually REALLY know this to be true?

Poor Amy. May she RIP.

R253 So it sounds your friend is basically making stuff up, especially since she wasn't even working on RC when this happened. That's why she never talked to the FBI.

R251, I agree that it’s fairly likely AB went to buy drugs and also likely the brother knew- however, what I don’t think is likely, is the brother keeping this a secret for over 25 years. If it could help solve the case, why would he hide this?

R256 To re-write Amy's life story as a clean, fun-loving, dick-loving school girl.

Yeah idk. I feel like some people in this thread are putting too much emphasis on that. I know her family doesn’t seem the most supportive of her sexuality and stuff but honestly, if they care as much about finding her as it seems they do, why would they leave anything out that could potentially help find her or at least provide closure? I guess I’m putting too much faith in her family

This woman wasn't all that attractive. Why does her family make her out to be some sort of irresistible sex-kitten?

[quote]They knew she was missing because her brother knew she went to score drugs. He told the family that. She was absolutely seen in the crew area after 5:30 AM and never seen leaving the crew area. She did not suicide herself and she did not accidentally fall.

You seem to know a lot. You should be investigated.

[quote]The one single thing that REALLY bothers me is that photo of Amy, sitting on a bed, wearing lingerie.

That’s not her.

If she went to meet Yellow at 5:30 and was allegedly seen entering, but not leaving the “crew area” with Yellow, what do people speculate happened to her during this meeting? Is the crew area populated, full of staff? Did other crew members see her in this area? What would be the motive to kill Amy?

People are saying that Amy was buying drugs for herself and her brother and that the brother knew. Why wouldn’t her brother be the one to buy the drugs or at least go with her to make sure she’s safe?

R255 Whatever you think.

R260 It’s my friend who worked for RC you dumbfuck. Also, most of that IS IN THE DOCUMENTARY. The FBI SHOULD ask all those who worked on the ship at the time. They know. Why don’t they? They have ALL THE THEORIES about possible drugs and her seen with Yellow GOING TO THE CREW AREA and NEVER BEING SEEN AGAIN.

R256 It was mentioned in the Netflix documentary as a theory so someone said it to Netflix. It’s out there.

R262 I'm guessing she either did some drugs with Yellow and overdosed, and he panicked and disposed of her, or he tried to sexually assault her and it went really wrong, resulting in her death.

As far as the brother, he was younger, right? I think he was 16 at the time. She may have told him he couldn't go with her, since she was the "adult" and he was underage.

R264 He’s just a pussy.

What doesn't make sense is her father said he saw her on the room balcony at 5:30 am but then not at 6 am.

To have gotten out, she would have had to open the balcony door and walk through the room to front door. No one woke up to see that

R266 Not if you’re quiet. This isn’t rocket science.

He also said she left the sliding door to the balcony open. Was the door open when he saw her at 5am on the balcony?

Amy Bradley's brother reveals untold details about sister's cruise disappearance.

Aliens kidnapped her due to her immense beauty and femininity.

R270, Lipstick Lesbian Aliens.

Hopefully, the aliens raped Amy and had kids with her, so I'll get some grandbabies!

The family wants to believe that's Amy all femmed up in the prostitution pics. She's turned straight at last!

She didn't just fall overboard. The FBI agent said that he is a tall man, and the railing still came up to his chest. It would be impossible for a small woman to accidentally fall overboard. They make cruise ship railings high enough so passengers can't just fall overboard with ease. Otherwise, you'd hear stories all the time of people falling overboard. Some of you act like Amy decided to practice the balance beam on the ship's railing for shits and giggles. If she went overboard, it was because she wanted to.

The girlfriend said that she was extremely excited to go on the cruise. She also was excited to get back together with the gf when she got back. She also had a new job and apartment. That's not someone who is suicidal.

The prostitute in the photos is 100% her. The FBI even confirmed it with computer imaging.

The website pings from Barbados are definitely Amy. I think she was trafficked after she went to buy drugs. I also think she got pregnant. Maybe she fell in love with her pimp. Maybe she doesn't want to go back to her life back in the US. She's probably ashamed of going to buy drugs and getting forced into her new life.

I believe Judy. She was my favorite part of the documentary. She's so funny:

"People entered the bathroom talking, and I thought to myself, "There are men in this bathroom!"

Bless her heart, Judy tried to strike up a conversation with Amy, but Amy was not having it.

Then a scary man tried to block poor Judy from exiting the bathroom. Judy is lucky that she wasn't sold into sex slavery herself. "Excuse me. Excuse me. I need to get by you."

Judy's husband said, "My gosh! You were in there a long time." And then after hearing her story, told her, "Well, Judy, there's nothing you can do about it!"

The FBI did not confirm that it was her in the pictures

r275 apparently you didn't see the recent pics of a cruise ship that had a balcony in which a kid could easily stand up and topple off the side. They are retrofitting them right now as we speak.

It was pretty big news and definitely a HUGE design flaw. That was modern day. Amy's disappearance was decades ago.

r274, There was a table that was pushed up against the deck. clearly she used it to climb and jump

She never left the roof. She was drunk. She either fell overboard or jumped. Case closed.

Her body would’ve washed ashore had she jumped/fell over. They were close to land and the currents are strong. The door to the balcony was closed when the dad saw her and open when he woke up and she was gone.

R279 A lot can happen to a body when it falls into the water. There's no absolute guarantee she would have washed up.

People frequently get lost at sea.

R280 Not this time. They were very close and the currents would’ve washed her ashore according to the EXPERTS.

R281 The only person they interviewed was some cop from Curacao who simply said the body would've washed up. They didn't exactly seek out experts in oceanography or currents or marine life in those waters.

Those island people know their shit.

Those island people know they're shit.

Dad threw her over the side. “You like fish so much? Swim with ‘em!”

What exactly is wrong with that brother?? Virgin?

Omg. Who cares already?

Its ridiculous that the FBI lady said there was no significance to the table being pushed up. my ass there isn't.

The brother is kinda hot.

I think someone from the band roofied her and she woke up on that balcony delirious and fell overboard. Still murder however.

R289 You don’t walk as far as she did when you roofied.

^ you’re

I'm sorry, how do the "experts" know she wasn't chomped up by a shark or two???

R292 Body parts would still wash up. Doubtful sharks got her.

I don't see how it's "doubtful." I think it's bloody likely.

Wow she was spotted so much on the islands post the last night on the balcony. Definitely some type of ritualistic sacrifice. And she could not have fallen overboard with all these sightings.

The reality is that she liked the drugs and the sex more than she liked her old life and family.

There are no pictures of her being "spotted" on the island after she went missing, and eyewitness reports have been proven to be highly erroneous.

She would have been spotted numerous times by locals and tourists living on a small island.

R297 Come on, all these people aren’t making up these stories. The Navy guy even stated she said her name was “Amy Bradley”.

It would have to be some type of vast conspiracy for them all to be lying like that.

Eyewitness reports are NOT reliable. This has been proven time and time again.

Show me ANY pic of her ON the island AFTER she went missing. You can't...because there aren't any, indicating she wasn't there after her disappearance. All reports are hearsay. They are third-party and not reliable.

She is lost to sea. Period.

R300. It’s not period. No body ever washed up on shore. There were no signs of duress. The balcony was too high for her to have accidentally fallen over in a drunken stupor. And she wasn’t suicidal. People know what the fuck they saw. So the Navy vet is a complete sociopathic liar? He said she said her fucking name.

Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps the woman was lying.

The point is, she's gone, and she wasn't sex trafficked. She fell or jumped.

R302 I didn’t say she was sex trafficked you dumb cunt. Perhaps but she definitely was spotted after the last night/morning when her dad saw her on balcony. Are the West Indian cab drivers lying too? I believe her parent’s homophobia sent over the edge and she was experimenting with drugs, a habit I believe that started prior to their cruise departure. She got involved with someone from that club to score, while also drinking herself, self medicating and perhaps even trying to make herself straight.

[quote] Her body would’ve washed ashore had she jumped/fell over.

In the ocean!? It would be eaten.

[quote] Doubtful sharks got her.

You’re either retarded or trolling.

[quote] Its ridiculous that the FBI lady said there was no significance to the table being pushed up.

Huh?

She never left the crew area early in the morning trying to score drugs.

R306 The lead FBI investigator talked about a side table on the balcony of the family's cabin being pushed up against the railing. Some theories are that Amy pushed it up to stand on it so she could boost herself up and either jump off the balcony or throw up over the side, since he had been drinking heavily.

A lot of people claim they saw Bigfoot and aliens. Doesn't mean they're telling the truth

Woman goes missing on board a cruise ship... Occam's razor applies here. It's pretty obvious she went overboard - whether deliberate or accidental, who can say? All other explanations require massive suspensions of logic and disbelief.

The family don't want to accept it, but I can't blame them.

In the documentary, several people refused to accept she was suicidal, but it's often not easy to spot in advance. I unfortunately lost a friend to suicide and everyone without exception said they didn't see it coming. He was such a seemingly happy guy, right up until the day before. He didn't leave a note, so none of us ever knew why. So I can see when there's no body sometimes families don't want to accept it.

Most of the sightings seem sketchy, too. I'm not saying they're all outright lying, but I don't believe those people saw Amy. There have been other missing cases where people have sworn blind they saw the person after they went missing but, when their bodies are eventually found, it's become clear the person died the day or day after they disappeared - which proves any sightings were false or mistaken.

Many true crime documentaries suffer a bit when families take part and that's potentially because they want to put their own twist on it. They want to be front and centre and make sure their voice is the loudest. Not saying that's definitely what happened here, but again there have been other cases where families/relatives have laid down some ground rules - eg "we won't participate if you say X" or "we want to make sure this is the focus" and the documentary maker obviously wants them to take part, but also builds a rapport and maybe even friendship over time, hence the output is marred by that.

Maybe she was high as a kite and pulled a Liam Payne.

R310, the new Unsolved Mysteries is like that. They go by what the family says and then you look online and they reveal a million details left out because the family is too embarrassed to talk about it.

R311 Look at me! I'm a leaping lesbian!

r310 encapsulates everything I've been saying over the past 20 or so posts. It's Occam's Razor that explains this perfectly.

[quote] Occam's Razor is a problem-solving principle that advises selecting the [bold] simplest explanation from a set of plausible ones. [/bold] It suggests that the explanation requiring the fewest assumptions or entities is most likely to be correct, all other things being equal.

[312], what details did they leave out?

R315 I'm guessing the fact that the brother knew Amy was going out to try and score some drugs and/or that the family knew she was depressed and emotionally fragile. The family barely paid passing mention in the documentary to the fact that Amy was a big ol' dyke.

Has he gone on the record stating she went out to buy drugs, [R316]?

R317 No. That's what I think he's hiding.

The family feels ashamed because they were homophobic and feel complicit if she did commit suicide. It’s sad. I haven’t finished episode 2 yet. Are the parents divorced? They aren’t in the same room.

The only witnesses who seemed truly credible to me were the girls who said they saw Amy walking with Yellow on deck at 5:30 in the morning and the sailor who said he saw her in the bar and she identified herself as "Amy Bradley." His reason for not telling anyone made sense. 1) He didn't want to get in trouble for going out to a hooker bar, and 2) he had no idea this girl was missing in the first place at that time.

The lady in the restroom seemed a little loony to me and her story seemed a bit fantastical. The guy who said he saw her on the beach with the two black guys also seemed a little off, like someone who just wanted attention.

The fact that the brother is going out of his way today to post on social media that Amy had a boyfriend at the time of her disappearance and that he was cut out of the documentary speaks volumes to me about how the family felt about Amy being gay. All these years later, and they still can't accept it.

This makes it more plausible to me that Amy may have offed herself that night, being as she had a family who disapproved of her lifestyle.

It would be impossible to hide the fact that Amy was living on a small island all of these years. You can't keep something like that secret, especially on an island. Everybody was looking for her. Her family could have hired a private investigator on the island to find her, but they didn't. Why?

If she had kids, then they would have been in school, and the school would have figured out who their mother was. She also would have dealt with doctors and hospitals at some point, and somebody would have put two and two together.

R332 And I don't understand why the family has never gone down to the area where the IP pings pop during the holidays and on Amy's birthday. Seems like they could locate her pretty quickly that way.

Agree with r322 and r323 - how come they've never traveled to where the IP pings are? And why no private investigator? It's pretty obvious they didn't accept her lifestyle/leanings and affinity for women.

Also, it's really unfathomable that a woman would willingly disappear off the face of the planet and NO ONE has figured out it's her. This is something women don't generally do, unless they have a really compelling reason...think the lady down south who took her toddler daughter and absconded to Australia and made a new life. She believe her daughter's bio-Dad was abusing/molesting her (not sure if he was or not), and so she decided to take matters into her own hands and go to a different country, living a whole new life with new names, etc. Even then, she was found out by friends and turned in. I think something along those lines would have happened already if that was the case with Amy.

It seems pretty likely - given what we've witnessed and how they continue to portray her as straight, etc. - she KNEW her family would never embrace her sexuality, and perhaps that was too much for her to deal with: either live a closeted life and play a part she didn't want to or live openly and most likely lose her family because of their lack of acceptance. It was too much for her to deal with and she couldn't reconcile it. She got drunk/high/stoned and made a fateful decision. That, or there was an unfortunate accident in the crew quarters and she overdosed and was tossed from the ship for fear of discovery/reprisal.

R321 That’s because he’s gay too and closeted. I kid but he does kinda ping. I think they both had an understanding.

The family did hire PIs and were even scammed by one who they paid thousands to. The Netflix show failed to tell the entire story. This case has been covered many times on shows like Unsolved Mysteries, Dateline, 20/20, and Dr. Phil.

R320 Even then those witnesses might have got the time wrong. I think they'd either been up all night, or most of it and had likely been drinking, so I sometimes wonder if they actually saw her earlier than they thought.

R327 Yeah I definitely think those girls got the time wrong. But it’s just so bizarre that so many people on the islands remember coming across her. Either way, she’s dead now. So sad. Gen X was the first generation that could truly come out and live normal outside of the big cities.

They didn’t get the time wrong. They could see the island. That puts the time b/w 4 and 6am.

Again, did they definitely see the island at the same time as Amy? Or did they see Amy earlier, passed out for a bit on deck, and then saw the island as the ship was getting closer to shore?

I probably sound a bit difficult, but people who've been up most of the night partying and drinking aren't the most reliable witnesses.

R330 Who said they were partying? And no they didn’t get it mixed up. Remembering that you can see the island and you see them walk by the same time it’s something the brain imprints.

I'm sorry, you know that the brain would imprint that why? and how do YOU know they weren't partying?

Amy's brother has entered the chat.

I wonder if anyone has ever asked Bradley Bradley about her going ashore to get drugs.