New Gwyneth Paltrow Book Addresses Longtime Winona Ryder Feud Rumors Over ‘Shakespeare in Love’

It sounds like no one likes Goop.

Winona was a 2-time Academy Award-nominated actress by the time Shakespeare in Love came along. She would've been sublime in the role.

R1 She gives off an obnoxious snob vibe.

Goop is someone who never got a snack growing up and it shows.

Gwennie waa such a snooze in that movie. Ryder would have been a much better choice.

Team Winona (at least vs. Vagina Candle)

R4 - exact opposite - she was never told no and was a daddy's girl. She even admits she was a mean girl and bully when she was younger.

Winona Ryder would have made a teeny, tiny Romeo.

At least Paltrow is tall (5’9”)

With Gwyneth I just get to the vagina egg issue and cant get any further.

Goop needs a smack.

Once you obtain a vagina, r9, you can decide if inserting jade and/or crystal eggs up it is appropriate.

Who is reading a book about her?

Nothing could save that dreck. It's like waterboarding.

Wino forever💪🍷

Julia Roberts wanted that role BADLY--I believe I read about that here on DL--but I think she couldn't handle the accent.

I love watching Winona but she makes me cringe a lot. She doesn't quite deliver but I will always watch something with her in it; she's compelling, as is Julia.

Gwyneth is technically the better actress (over Winona, IMO). She won for Shakespeare because of the Weinstein push and the strange obsession Hollywood had with that film. I didn't mind it so much because I thought she was incredible in Emma a few years prior.

Julia badly wanted to do the movie with Daniel Day Lewis but dropped out when he turned it down.

Gwyneth was perfectly lovely in the movie. I don't care about her in the least but I'm a huge Stoppard fan. I would be the first to object if I thought she harmed that effervescent script.

I can't see a single reason why Ryder would have been better, or even as good. Viola in Twelfth Night, to whom the movie compares its Viola, is a very feisty number, whereas Ryder specialises in Wide-eyed Waif.

Of course Cate should have won the Oscar, and I don't doubt the Weinstein lobby won the day, but comedic performances are always underrated, Gwyneth did well, and it wasn't as big an injustice as people like to pretend. Her acceptance speech was the worst thing about it.

[quote]After a story about Gwyneth allegedly stealing the script from Winona’s coffee table reached the media, Gwyneth told friends that Ryder had started the rumor,

Winona Ryder is an actual convicted thief. Team Gwyneth.

I don't think Winona could've handled the accent if her performance in Dracula is anything to go by (or maybe I just hate her high, thin, quavery voice)

Agree with R17, she was sublime in a tough role. I love Winona but I don't see her carrying that movie in the same way.

Tough role? In what way? She had to pretend to be a man? Badly, I might add. Paltrow was fine, but in no reality was that Oscar-level acting.

That film was a critical darling that year. She was going to win no matter what.

Minority view, obviously, but I really like SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, and I think that Paltrow's terrific in it.

Goop blew Harvey Weinstein to get the role, and again to get the Oscar.

Winona did not.

Does anyone here seriously not understand how this worked?

[quote] It sounds like no one likes Goop.

Because she’s a lying fucking cunt.

I wish that guy that shat on her ceiling would return for round two.

Doesn’t she also claim she was “discovered” in a coffee shop and not because of the obvious nepotism involved?

She always has come across as a rancid bitch but who knew that she was such a disgusting liar.

Julia was actually offered the role outright when Ed Zwick was tapped to direct. But she would only do it with DDL who led her on just long enough to fuck her a few times and eventually turn it down. She ditched the part after but got what was rumored to be a good loud dicking fuckfest out it.

When did she become Korean?

R26 he shat on her ceiling or her floor?!

Winona's facework looks awful. Poor thing.

[quote] I don't think Winona could've handled the accent if her performance in Dracula is anything to go by (or maybe I just hate her high, thin, quavery voice)

You weren't impressed by "take me away from all this...death!"??

[quote] Another layer to the alleged drama came in the form of a 2009 Goop newsletter — the early days of the wellness brand — where Paltrow spoke candidly about a past friendship. Fans were quick to speculate she was discussing Ryder, but this was never confirmed.

[quote]“Back in the day, I had a ‘frenemy’ who, as it turned out, was pretty hell-bent on taking me down. This person really did what they could to hurt me,” Paltrow wrote at the time. “I was deeply upset, I was angry, I was all of those things you feel when you find out that someone you thought you liked was venomous and dangerous. I restrained myself from fighting back.”

[quote]She added, “I tried to take the high road. But one day I heard that something unfortunate and humiliating had happened to this person. And my reaction was deep relief and … happiness. There went the high road.”

It's hard not to weirdly admire someone who is so open about how incredibly petty and spiteful she is.

Winona Team. You can see Gwyneth is the type is snotty bitch that manipulates all situations in her favor. I believe Winona

R9 It isn just the physical idea of the egg in vagina its the fact she was publicly marketing it and other things. I don't like gene simmons either with his tongue surgery either so it's not about Women bashing sorry to disappoint you. When i see her name I see a big red arrows floating about her with ME ME ME written on them. I'm a person who believe greed and vacuousness shouldn't be encouraged. If one wanted to put an egg up there thats fine with me. I cant judge what i don't hear about. Adelante !

[quote][R26] he shat on her ceiling or her floor?!

BOTH!!

[quote]this permanent ‘friend of’ didn’t even bother to clean up after himself, but instead, left money for the cleaning staff,” the post read. “Forcing them to scrub away at the walls, ceiling and floors

I kind of loved how she handled the whole Blasberg situation, basically telling Hampton neighbors who she knew couldn't keep their mouth shut (Jessica Seinfeld).

[quote] Goop needs a smack.

She needs a kick to the cuntbone.

[quote]r27 Doesn’t she also claim she was “discovered” in a coffee shop and not because of the obvious nepotism involved?

Yeah, she was "discovered" for her first movie, HOOK, by Steven Spielberg... her [italic]godfather.

Her mother, Blythe Danner, is a better actress and much more likable.

Did Blythe Danner ever do any big dramatic roles, dislaying range? She's kind of before my time and the movies she made were either a bit obscure (Lovin' Molly?) or just not something I'd ever watch (1776).

R36 that’s some range!!

R40 Danner is just as smug..maybe more so.

[quote] Her mother, Blythe Danner, is a better actress and much more likable.

Yet she raised a fucking monster.

Butches are bred, not born.

In her memoir YOU'LL NEVER EAT LUNCH IN THIS TOWN AGAIN Julia Phillips portrays the 1970s Danner as a ditzy airhead she can't stand.

Phillips and the other characters laugh at Danner until she cries.

Does Gwyneth admit that she sucked Harvey’s cock?

Ugh, I loathe Paltrow and I hated Shakespeare In Love because of her and Ben Affleck.

I love how both look awful in Op’s picture. These two are not loved,

Obnoxious as she is sometimes, I find Gwyneth the better actress, she can’t be quite good (Ripley, Emma) or just serviceable. Winona, on the other hand, is more flakey and hasn’t seriously acted for years.

^she CAN be quite good

I'd suck Joseph Fiennes off

[quote] Butches are bred, not born.

Can you put me in touch with a good breeder?

Does Goop even act anymore, or just sell her Cunt Candles?

She does Ryan Murphy shit because she’s fucking his writing partner, but that doesn’t count. Is she doing any film work?

Blythe Danner is a sensational actress. Seek out her TV performances of THE SEAGULL and/or THE ECCENTRICITIES OF A NIGHTINGALE to see an incredible talent at work.

[quote] She added, “I tried to take the high road. But one day I heard that something unfortunate and humiliating had happened to this person. And my reaction was deep relief and … happiness. There went the high road.”

Wow, she IS a cunt!

My daughter's no more warped than any other dual-barrel Nepo Baby, and you losers know it. You're just jealous!

We raised her to be a Citizen of the World. We taught her about Neil Simon, for God's sake! So what if she came in her pants that time she hosted a millionaire fundraiser for Barack Obama? How many of YOU losers can get the president to sit in your backyard for five million clams?

I can't expound any more on my daughter's critics. You're a very wearying bunch, and I'm both a cancer survivor and a Tony Awards loser.

R53 = Blythe Danner.

I sure like Wynona Ryder a whole lot better in every way.

Listen to GP’s voice sometime with your eyes closed. It’s a miracle she could play in a period film.

Not sure how this script could've gotten to Paltrow via an agent. Yes she was quite good in Emma but that was still but a blip compared to the script being with Winona who had just nearly won an Oscar but was upset by a 10 year old. At the time any big script would've gone to Julia, then Winona who were the it girls of the period. I don't think Emma alone would have skipped over Winona and even Sandra who has a masculine energy for playing it. She "recommended" Winona sure. As in "you should cast Winona but I would love to play it myself and suck fat man dick she won't".

Danner is an excellent actress! See “The Great Santini” and “Futureworld” to get a sense of her range.

R60 = Blythe Danner, on her fourth gin and tonic.

Blythe Danner was thrown out of SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION on her ass after one day of rehearsal.

Blythe dusted herself off after the Six Degrees fiasco and returned to the stage in her Follies triumph!!

Shakespeare in Love is one of those movies people talk about but not one has watched in decades.

Paltrow won the Oscar but it also killed her career

At the time both Ryder and Robert’s were rather overexposed. The Shakespeare in love role worked much better with as fresh face. It’s one of those scripts like pretty woman where it helps if the audience is discovering the ingenues charms at the same time that the leading man is. I don’t think Paltrow was bad at the part. I think at the start of their careers, Ryder and Robert’s might have done the role better, but I understand why, at the time that movie was made, Paltrow got the part. She was really being pushed on the public as an exciting mix of Audrey Hepburn and grace kelly and the buzz about her contributed to the buzz about the film. From a marketing standpoint that would not have happened with either of the other two, who the general public were already well familiar with

Why did Blythe canned from Six Degrees?

The Shakespeare In Love heroine was such a highly sought after role (they wanted Julia Roberts for ages) that I never bought that Gwyneth “stole” it from Winona. Both of their agents would have known about the part and the producers already knew who both Gwyneth and Winona were at that point. It’s like “stealing” Black Widow.

I did read that the script she saw at Winona’s house was the (abysmal) Hush with Jessica Lange and Jonathan Schaech.

Julia would have been absolutely horrible in the role

Blythe Danner has looked like she was 52 since she was 22.

Julia never did well in “European” period pieces or fantasy.

I wonder how she would be in an American pioneer set show. Something like Little House On The Prairie or 1883 where she could act “plucky”.

Julia is fully modern. She's seen an iPhone. Ryder and Paltrow could both pull of period pieces.

Blythe Danner is of course a Tony winner, for BUTTERFLIES ARE FREE. (A vocal choice she made doing that show left her with the signature rasp that she's had ever since.)

For me the DL trope of mocking Danner's performance in FOLLIES (in which she was brilliant) is one of the most tiresome.

R72 = Blythe, determined to serve as her own PR representative.

If it’s any consolation to Blythe, she was a better one-note actress than she was a mother.

R70, please. She'd be better off as the pack mule. Totally agree that she'd be piss poor in a period piece.

Everybody dining out again on this ancient boring gossip is a grim sight to behold.

[quote]r66 Why did Blythe get canned from Six Degrees?

It is a talky, fast moving play with far flung ideas. Reportedly Danner was full of questions from the very first read through, which isn’t really the worst thing but she was also the only actor not getting the material. And she was playing the lead!

The director very quickly declared he needed a new star.

I would love to hear a direct report from someone who was actually there - -

R64, agree with your first statement but not the second one. It didn't kill her career at all.

[quote]r72 …Danner's performance in FOLLIES (in which she was brilliant)…

WAS she??

Because this does not look brilliant. AT ALL.

I love love love “Shakespeare in Love.” It’s perfectly written and performed.

You're right, R79. That badly filmed clip of 4 minutes of her performance is definitive proof that she was terrible in the role. The perspective of those who saw it in the house is valueless. You win.

"Julia Roberts wanted that role BADLY--I believe I read about that here on DL--but I think she couldn't handle the accent."

She was a Southern girl who couldn't even manage a Southern accent.

That production of FOLLIES was profoundly underwhelming and misguided. This is particularly true after the Paper Mill’s was so great. I can’t remember why that one didn’t transfer — it would have gotten Ann Miller a Tony. Instead, we got Polly Bergen playing Carlotta as if she were the mother in Long Days Journey. No connection to the song at ALL. Good Christ. I had quit smoking by then but bummed one at intermission and bought a pack after the show. What a pile of shit.

And the less said about Blythe, the better.

Blythe got The Philadelphia Story on Broadway after Cybill Shepherd turned it down.

Wow Gwynnie - trashing Madonna, now Winona. Telling everyone about Derek Blasberg's shit fest.

Stones and glass houses Gwen. Watch out now.

I want to hear stories about Gwen now - there's got to be ton of them out there. I hope her kids end up spilling the beans.

R83, the stories at the time about Paper Mill's not transferring included: (1) Sondheim called it HELLO, FOLLIES! and (2) the Widow Goldman let Roundabout have the rights because they promised that they would also revive THE LION IN WINTER (which they did, in 1999, starring Stockard Channing and Laurence Fishburne . . . "directed" by Michael Mayer . . . with a run of exactly 1 more performance than the original's, um, modest duration).

You're way off base about Bergen's take on Carlotta -- she certainly backphrased more and more as the (short) run went on, but she didn't do any tragedienne stuff. (It's hard to imagine where she could.) And she sounded great (astonishingly so, given that the woman hadn't to my knowledge sung in public for decades). In any case, she was vastly preferable to Paper Mill's showboating Ann Miller. She went on to play Fräulein Schneider in the Mendes CABARET and Mme Armfeldt in Baltimore -- and she was excellent in both.

Danner was superb in the dialogue and sang quite well, all in all. She was good enough to win the admiration of Ken Mandelbaum, Steven Suskin and the Tony nominators. Doesn't mean you or anyone else had to like her, but . . . I should stop fighting that battle here, I guess.

For me the casting problems in that revival were more with the men. Gregory Harrison was a big void in the crucial part, and Treat Williams didn't have a clue what to do with Buddy. Judith Ivey was out of her depth vocally (the noises she made at the climax of "Too Many Mornings" were excruciating), which was a shame, because acting-wise she found a fresh and fascinating take on the character.

I read that You'll Never Eat Lunch... book years ago. The author Julia whatever was a nasty cunt, and I kept waiting for more/better gossip to be revealed.

regardless of what you think of her personally, the fact that (with her husband) she produced The Sting, Taxi Driver, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind is phenomenal.

R87 = Blythe again, determined to salvage her nonexistent reputation.

Will we see Goop playing Phyllis some day… to Winona’s Sally?

Julia could convincingly play the town sheriff’s horse in a Western.

Blythe, three sheets to the wind after two bottles of Hendrick’s, is determined to prove her worth when no one even remembers who she is.

Go to sleep, Blythe. And ponder why you didn’t do the world a favor and have a hysterectomy at 18. And why you didn’t change your awful name.

Blythe was barely qualified to play a betrayed wife on “Search for Tomorrow.” That’s why she spread her bony legs for a producer to secure herself work.

She really is a disgusting piece of shit.

The Sting = yawn.

[quote]R94 The Sting = yawn

But it made [italic]so much money!

R95, yes it did. But I feel like no one remembers it. Certainly not the way they do, it's main rival for Best Picture: The Exorcist.

"it's main rival"

Oh, dear.

R28 and R82 Here's what Zwick had to say about Julia and SIL: Zwick states that it wasn’t an issue with the script or with McGann, but with Roberts. “From the moment she began to speak it was clear she hadn’t been working on the accent,” he writes.

The producer notes that he “tried to be encouraging” about Roberts’ British accent, but says that at the end of the day, “she must have intuited my unease, and I made the tragic mistake of underestimating her insecurity.”

As was noted here long ago, physically the petite Winona would not have been able to pull it off even with her chest bound and eschewing tonnes of eye make-up.

Gwyneth had height and an androgynous frame and face.

I can't stand either of them.

The movie was shit and Judi Dench was the only one worth watching. However, she only won an Oscar for her eight minutes of screen time because she should have won the best actress AA the year before for (Her Majesty) Mrs Brown.

Even if she'd been bad in both films, playing regnant queens two years in a row would have clinched her something.

Gwyneth had come off a small string of critical and financial hits when she got Shakespeare. People might not remember, but she was the critics' darling at the time. She had gotten rave reviews for supporting roles in Flesh and Bone, and Hard Eight. A Perfect Murder opposite Michael Douglas made a ton of money.

I actually preferred her in Sliding Doors, which came out the same year as Shakespeare but much earlier.

Gwyneth was the it girl at that time.

Winona didn't fail entirely. Around this time, she starred in that batshit Alien sequel.

Winona Ryder seems like someone who's batshit crazy.

seems?

She shoplifted from Saks, mere weeks after 9/11, and looked like a junkie in the security footage.

r100 I'm not a big fan of Paltrow as a person, but I absolutely love Sliding Doors, and watch it probably once every few years.

I have no intention of reading anything written by Gwyneth Paltrow. Is she in need of money or just exerting her mean girl skills?

She didn't write the book, R107, it's a biography about her.

The bio seems like a great read filled with insider information about the ever fascinating Paltrow.

R105, didn't woni have a stash of benzos on her when she was sprung?

[quote] She shoplifted from Saks, mere weeks after 9/11,

She was celebrating!!!

[quote]Seek out her TV performances of ... THE ECCENTRICITIES OF A NIGHTINGALE to see an incredible talent at work.

I watched "Eccentricities" on our spare TV in my parents' bedroom at age 9.

I am going to read the shit out of this.

Excuse you R101? My Best Friend's Wedding, Conspiracy Theory, Stepmom, Notting Hill, Runaway Bride, Erin Brockovich in that order "at the time".

I can smell your nappy pussy