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The crazy is coming from inside the white house

How do we feel about this? I’m not quite sure. I think it may spell danger.

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by Anonymousreply 45July 10, 2025 12:38 AM

Taking off shoes is annoying.

Most likely very little happens, but surely someone at some point will get something through in their shoe. Will TSA be allowed to have someone take their shoes off if they beep something shows up on a scan?

by Anonymousreply 1July 8, 2025 11:52 PM

Oh, what's a couple of downed planes when you think of the expedience passengers will now experience in those long queues?

by Anonymousreply 2July 8, 2025 11:53 PM

Didn't this already happen years ago? I don't remember taking my shoes off at an airport in the past few years - I also have TSA Pre-Check so maybe that's it?

by Anonymousreply 3July 8, 2025 11:53 PM

Slight of hand. Called a press conference for this shit? They just gave you a frozen meatball acting like it was a slice of Prime Rib and shit...

by Anonymousreply 4July 8, 2025 11:57 PM

R3 That’s exactly it, goofy. 😜

by Anonymousreply 5July 8, 2025 11:58 PM

I'll be more grateful when they resume allowing (some) liquids.

by Anonymousreply 6July 9, 2025 12:00 AM

Dad May lost his healthcare but at least we don’t have to take off our shoes and smell the stench of his feet when we go to Disney in August.

by Anonymousreply 7July 9, 2025 12:00 AM

The planes are already dropping out of the sky without terrorists.

by Anonymousreply 8July 9, 2025 12:05 AM

[quote]I'll be more grateful when they resume allowing (some) liquids.

The body kind.

by Anonymousreply 9July 9, 2025 12:05 AM

I have TSA PreCheck, so I already don't have to take off my shoes like the riffraff do.

by Anonymousreply 10July 9, 2025 12:12 AM

R5 don't be mad that I stopped subjecting myself to the stench of unwashed feet years ago (like yours)... $77 bucks for 5 years and you, too, can be free. One less bag of pork rinds a month and you can swing it.

by Anonymousreply 11July 9, 2025 12:31 AM

The only reason we had to take our shoes off was because of that one guy who had a firecracker in his shoes.

It's all performative bullshit. No one is sneaking bombs on planes in their shoes.

Much like the whole 3 ounce rule. What's the difference between 3 ounces and 5 ounces? Can someone make a huge bomb out of 5 ounces of liquid but not 3 ounces? And you can combine them so you can have five 3 ounce substances, as long as it fits in a ziploc bag?

Stupid.

The TSA was created as a feel-good after 9/11 and has effectively done nothing but cost everyone money and time.

by Anonymousreply 12July 9, 2025 12:42 AM

[quote] something through in their shoe.

My green card in my right shoe. Something something right shoe.

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by Anonymousreply 13July 9, 2025 12:50 AM

I actually support this one. The shoe removal thing is total “security theater” , think of how many passengers a year have to spend an extra full 1-2 minutes taking off shoes and then putting back on, retying… what’s all that time add up to? ZERO bombs have ever been found in a shoe. Ever.

All because of one failed would-be shoe bomber way back in December 2001 when everybody was traumatized by 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 14July 9, 2025 12:55 AM

r3 Yes, you moron.

by Anonymousreply 15July 9, 2025 12:56 AM

[quote] The only reason we had to take our shoes off was because of that one guy who had a firecracker in his shoes.

Richard Reid, the “Shoe-nabomber”.

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by Anonymousreply 16July 9, 2025 1:00 AM

At the Las Vegas airport TSA used the sweetest dogs ever to detect explosives. No shoe removal required.

by Anonymousreply 17July 9, 2025 2:13 AM

they don't make you take off shoes in Europe so maybe this is ok? But everything else they're doing is awful, awful, awful. I've never been afraid to fly...until these fools took power.

by Anonymousreply 18July 9, 2025 2:17 AM

R18 same here. I’m scared when a plane even flies over my house.

by Anonymousreply 19July 9, 2025 5:39 AM

It always amazed me how some people seemed totally clueless about taking off shoes, belts, etc. and slowed down the entire line. We've only been doing this for over 20 years, do those people live under a rock?

by Anonymousreply 20July 9, 2025 6:04 AM

In some airports they have scanners that make removing shoes unnecessary and the signage tells you that. I don't know why those can't be made universal.

by Anonymousreply 21July 9, 2025 7:03 AM

[quote]It always amazed me how some people seemed totally clueless about taking off shoes, belts, etc. and slowed down the entire line. We've only been doing this for over 20 years, do those people live under a rock?

For 20 years the same exact and unchanged requirements at every airport?

That's not been my experience. Of course the range of things that you may have to do shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has flown even a couple of times (anywhere) this century, but the requirements can be maddeningly specific and barked out at the last minute with no advance signage.

"All electronics in separate trays!"

"No, leave your laptops and electronics in your bags!"

"Shoes in trays!"

"Keep your shoes on! Only boots and steel-toed shoes off!"

"Jackets in separate trays!"

"Belts in trays!"

"Hats on! Pants off!"

"Every single item you have in a separate tray...now!"

"Hands on heads through the scanner!"

"No! Hands at sides --but not touching-- through scanner!"

by Anonymousreply 22July 9, 2025 7:59 AM

Trump wears lifts and doesn't want anyone to know.

by Anonymousreply 23July 9, 2025 8:22 AM

There aren't many suicide bombers. It's very rare. So if planes aren't falling out of the sky, it's just because no one is interested.

by Anonymousreply 24July 9, 2025 8:25 AM

[quote] The TSA was created as a feel-good after 9/11 and has effectively done nothing but cost everyone money and time.

Wait, there wasn’t TSA before 9/11? No one checked you? You could bring whatever you want?

by Anonymousreply 25July 9, 2025 9:06 AM

Security before 9/11 was run by airports, who hired senior citizens at low wages. You didn’t show ID or need a boarding pass, and only had to walk through a metal detector. Blades under 4 inches were permitted. Checked bags were barely scrutinized.

by Anonymousreply 26July 9, 2025 9:41 AM

damn.

my daddy-hunting foot-fetish gonna be thursty....

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by Anonymousreply 27July 9, 2025 9:58 AM

Gawd, R22, you nailed that part of this madness. It’s better with PreCheck vs the “non PreCheck rabble” but even in PreCheck you get barked at about these arbitrary things that can change from airport to airport (maybe even from TSA agent to TSA agent) - and you’re given <15 seconds to get it together and comply.

by Anonymousreply 28July 9, 2025 10:54 AM

Yeah you used to be able to go all the way to a gate without a boarding pass and meet your friends. We would hang out a the airport in high school and eat at the food court as a lark!

by Anonymousreply 29July 9, 2025 11:24 AM

That means they have more discreet ways to find out now whether you have C4 in your soles. Plus, they can always ask someone to take them off if they feel they should.

by Anonymousreply 30July 9, 2025 11:30 AM

[quote] even in PreCheck you get barked at about these arbitrary things that can change from airport to airport

It helps to be an old man. I just look dazed and confused and they usually cut me some slack.

by Anonymousreply 31July 9, 2025 1:23 PM

R12 and R14: When they lowered the blue mailbox limit for stamped items from an even 16 oz (1 lb.) to 13 oz. a few years ago, my first thought was "Makes zero difference, totally about being seen as [italic]doing something[/italic]."

by Anonymousreply 32July 9, 2025 1:24 PM

R26 is correct, and that’s why the TSA was created. It wasn’t all “performative theater”, the need was legit. But aspects of it definitely have been theater.

by Anonymousreply 33July 9, 2025 2:46 PM

The theater was important, though. It discouraged attempts, even if it didn’t uncover or thwart them. Also, people were terrified to fly for many years after, so the theater served to given them a sense of security.

by Anonymousreply 34July 9, 2025 3:45 PM

The cuts in air traffic controller personnel have/will crash more planes than bombs anyway.

by Anonymousreply 35July 9, 2025 3:46 PM

Do airlines outside of the US do the whole shoe thing?

by Anonymousreply 36July 9, 2025 3:50 PM

[quote]Do airlines outside of the US do the whole shoe thing?

In the EU it's normally the national police of whatever country, sometimes with additional contract security staff but under the direct of the national police. There's an EU Aviation Safety Agency that provides coordination among standards.

They do look at shoes as passengers pass through body scanners. They advise people with heavy boots or steel-toed shoes, etc. to remove them for scanning. But otherwise no

by Anonymousreply 37July 9, 2025 4:20 PM

I blame the widespread popularity of Crocs for this.

by Anonymousreply 38July 9, 2025 9:34 PM

R26 The wages still low.

by Anonymousreply 39July 9, 2025 9:53 PM

Sharquesha, you get a TSP and a pension. And wages were significantly improved for TSOs under Biden and the TSA Administrator Trump fired on his first day of this term. But Trump is sending screening back to the private sector, no matter the consequences. Watch the news.

by Anonymousreply 40July 9, 2025 10:58 PM

I just got TSA precheck 2 weeks ago 😔

by Anonymousreply 41July 9, 2025 11:05 PM

He’s not my president. I’m going to keep taking my shoes off.

by Anonymousreply 42July 9, 2025 11:41 PM

And the policy will get reinstated after explosives in someone's shoes kills hundred's of people on a flight.

by Anonymousreply 43July 10, 2025 12:31 AM

What does hundred possess?

by Anonymousreply 44July 10, 2025 12:37 AM

Then they'll blame the next blown up airplane on Biden's DEI.

by Anonymousreply 45July 10, 2025 12:38 AM
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