The crazy is coming from inside the white house

Taking off shoes is annoying.

Most likely very little happens, but surely someone at some point will get something through in their shoe. Will TSA be allowed to have someone take their shoes off if they beep something shows up on a scan?

Oh, what's a couple of downed planes when you think of the expedience passengers will now experience in those long queues?

Didn't this already happen years ago? I don't remember taking my shoes off at an airport in the past few years - I also have TSA Pre-Check so maybe that's it?

Slight of hand. Called a press conference for this shit? They just gave you a frozen meatball acting like it was a slice of Prime Rib and shit...

R3 That’s exactly it, goofy. 😜

I'll be more grateful when they resume allowing (some) liquids.

Dad May lost his healthcare but at least we don’t have to take off our shoes and smell the stench of his feet when we go to Disney in August.

The planes are already dropping out of the sky without terrorists.

[quote]I'll be more grateful when they resume allowing (some) liquids.

The body kind.

I have TSA PreCheck, so I already don't have to take off my shoes like the riffraff do.

R5 don't be mad that I stopped subjecting myself to the stench of unwashed feet years ago (like yours)... $77 bucks for 5 years and you, too, can be free. One less bag of pork rinds a month and you can swing it.

The only reason we had to take our shoes off was because of that one guy who had a firecracker in his shoes.

It's all performative bullshit. No one is sneaking bombs on planes in their shoes.

Much like the whole 3 ounce rule. What's the difference between 3 ounces and 5 ounces? Can someone make a huge bomb out of 5 ounces of liquid but not 3 ounces? And you can combine them so you can have five 3 ounce substances, as long as it fits in a ziploc bag?

Stupid.

The TSA was created as a feel-good after 9/11 and has effectively done nothing but cost everyone money and time.

[quote] something through in their shoe.

My green card in my right shoe. Something something right shoe.

I actually support this one. The shoe removal thing is total “security theater” , think of how many passengers a year have to spend an extra full 1-2 minutes taking off shoes and then putting back on, retying… what’s all that time add up to? ZERO bombs have ever been found in a shoe. Ever.

All because of one failed would-be shoe bomber way back in December 2001 when everybody was traumatized by 9/11.

r3 Yes, you moron.

[quote] The only reason we had to take our shoes off was because of that one guy who had a firecracker in his shoes.

Richard Reid, the “Shoe-nabomber”.

At the Las Vegas airport TSA used the sweetest dogs ever to detect explosives. No shoe removal required.

they don't make you take off shoes in Europe so maybe this is ok? But everything else they're doing is awful, awful, awful. I've never been afraid to fly...until these fools took power.

R18 same here. I’m scared when a plane even flies over my house.

It always amazed me how some people seemed totally clueless about taking off shoes, belts, etc. and slowed down the entire line. We've only been doing this for over 20 years, do those people live under a rock?

In some airports they have scanners that make removing shoes unnecessary and the signage tells you that. I don't know why those can't be made universal.

[quote]It always amazed me how some people seemed totally clueless about taking off shoes, belts, etc. and slowed down the entire line. We've only been doing this for over 20 years, do those people live under a rock?

For 20 years the same exact and unchanged requirements at every airport?

That's not been my experience. Of course the range of things that you may have to do shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has flown even a couple of times (anywhere) this century, but the requirements can be maddeningly specific and barked out at the last minute with no advance signage.

"All electronics in separate trays!"

"No, leave your laptops and electronics in your bags!"

"Shoes in trays!"

"Keep your shoes on! Only boots and steel-toed shoes off!"

"Jackets in separate trays!"

"Belts in trays!"

"Hats on! Pants off!"

"Every single item you have in a separate tray...now!"

"Hands on heads through the scanner!"

"No! Hands at sides --but not touching-- through scanner!"

Trump wears lifts and doesn't want anyone to know.

There aren't many suicide bombers. It's very rare. So if planes aren't falling out of the sky, it's just because no one is interested.

[quote] The TSA was created as a feel-good after 9/11 and has effectively done nothing but cost everyone money and time.

Wait, there wasn’t TSA before 9/11? No one checked you? You could bring whatever you want?

Security before 9/11 was run by airports, who hired senior citizens at low wages. You didn’t show ID or need a boarding pass, and only had to walk through a metal detector. Blades under 4 inches were permitted. Checked bags were barely scrutinized.

damn.

my daddy-hunting foot-fetish gonna be thursty....

Gawd, R22, you nailed that part of this madness. It’s better with PreCheck vs the “non PreCheck rabble” but even in PreCheck you get barked at about these arbitrary things that can change from airport to airport (maybe even from TSA agent to TSA agent) - and you’re given <15 seconds to get it together and comply.

Yeah you used to be able to go all the way to a gate without a boarding pass and meet your friends. We would hang out a the airport in high school and eat at the food court as a lark!

That means they have more discreet ways to find out now whether you have C4 in your soles. Plus, they can always ask someone to take them off if they feel they should.

[quote] even in PreCheck you get barked at about these arbitrary things that can change from airport to airport

It helps to be an old man. I just look dazed and confused and they usually cut me some slack.

R12 and R14: When they lowered the blue mailbox limit for stamped items from an even 16 oz (1 lb.) to 13 oz. a few years ago, my first thought was "Makes zero difference, totally about being seen as [italic]doing something[/italic]."

R26 is correct, and that’s why the TSA was created. It wasn’t all “performative theater”, the need was legit. But aspects of it definitely have been theater.

The theater was important, though. It discouraged attempts, even if it didn’t uncover or thwart them. Also, people were terrified to fly for many years after, so the theater served to given them a sense of security.

The cuts in air traffic controller personnel have/will crash more planes than bombs anyway.

Do airlines outside of the US do the whole shoe thing?

[quote]Do airlines outside of the US do the whole shoe thing?

In the EU it's normally the national police of whatever country, sometimes with additional contract security staff but under the direct of the national police. There's an EU Aviation Safety Agency that provides coordination among standards.

They do look at shoes as passengers pass through body scanners. They advise people with heavy boots or steel-toed shoes, etc. to remove them for scanning. But otherwise no

I blame the widespread popularity of Crocs for this.

R26 The wages still low.

Sharquesha, you get a TSP and a pension. And wages were significantly improved for TSOs under Biden and the TSA Administrator Trump fired on his first day of this term. But Trump is sending screening back to the private sector, no matter the consequences. Watch the news.

I just got TSA precheck 2 weeks ago 😔

He’s not my president. I’m going to keep taking my shoes off.

And the policy will get reinstated after explosives in someone's shoes kills hundred's of people on a flight.

What does hundred possess?

Then they'll blame the next blown up airplane on Biden's DEI.