Xi Jinping reads America for Filth - The World Can Move On..

Sorry if already posted. I did a search here and through google.

The statement is not wrong, and America is at risk of experiencing a similar fate. And yet (to me) the statement itself seems very ChatGPT.

As an American, am I supposed to care? The EU is doing fine without all of its former empires and the U.S. will do fine likewise. Perhaps he shouldn’t have used such a bad example of the UK and the EU.

How come he didn’t mention the collapse of China in the 19th century. Things were spiffy in Beijing in 1750 under Qianlong (乾隆) .

R4 - I was going to say - China fucked up too in a huge way. That's how they became relatively powerless in 19th and 20th centuries.

Yes, they are on their way up - but it's not guaranteed for them.

[quote] Napoleon declared himself immortal.

Wait, what?

He of course isn't wrong - empires are eclipsed even when the empire itself thinks of itself as infallible. But that isn't some huge revelation. He's out here acting like he was some brand new take.

I think he is more pointing out that this is America's first time around, a country that just turned 249 years old. China has had transition periods longer than that. America has never fallen or been reduced to a shell of its former self like all the other nations have been. I am sure China in its five thousand years has had many go rounds.

And with American thinking it has the globe in a choke hold with these tariffs sent to the world so it will bend the knee, I think he just wanted to point out that it might be hard, but it wouldn't be impossible to Move On past America.

What R3 said.

And Xi is projecting an awful lot in that statement too. The Chinese insecurity after their century of humiliation is always close to the surface.

[quote]He's out here acting like he was some brand new take.

It's not brand new, it's just apropos of the July 9th tariff deadline date on Wednesday.

The same could be said about the Ming Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, and then Mao's China.

If it doesn’t matter, you don’t say anything.

Xi is like that sibling who screams and yells and hollers that everything is OK and that you didn’t get on their nerves when you just captured the queen. Xi is thisclose to turning the chess board over and tossing the pieces everywhere.

Trump is the same thing of course. So it is probably telling that we are in the “so are you” phase of American-Chinese relations.

Did Xi say how long his concentration camps would last for?

Hopefully longer than Alligator Alcatraz, R13, which will be wiped off the map with the first strong hurricane.

Xi is furnishing Putin with drones to commit war crimes on Ukraine. There’s nothing noble about Xi, Putin, & DJT for that matter.

OP, when and where and in what context did he say all that?

R15, in DL’s world, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Thus Xi > Trump.

He is of course right that no empire rules forever. He seems to think that the next empire will be Chinese. That doesn't seem pre-ordained to me.

How about if we just don’t have any and move on from that?

gyna ain't returning orange's phone calls.

let that sink in.

Americans reading Xi's list: "When did all THAT happen?"

Things were better under the Kaiser.

Ouch but so true, R21.

China owes a great deal of its prosperity to the self-defeating (not to mention human rights blind) policies of the United States and to greedy American business owners.

The message isn't wrong, but the messenger isn't neutral.

Agreed. He's right. Was there ever a truer statement than "Things change"?

He's also right that it's over for the U.S. The Golden Age of U.S: has been in the past for some time, its reputation had been coasting on fumes, unnoticed by many, on the memory of patterns and expectations of the past. Trump's evisceration of what is left is the final act, alarming for its crassness and savagery, but the wheels could not have been set in motion had the underpinnings not grown so weak.

The dispersal of Silicon Valley, the erosion of education and the startling level of "and proud of it" ignorance, the fact that the US is not nor has it been in recent years No. 1 or 2, or 17 or even 34, in so many positive markers, the U.S. has coasted on a reputation that isn't there any more. It still has strengths, of course, but that "the leader of the free world" business, it's been demoted to "a world leader." That in itself is not bad for many reasons, but the bubble of illusion that other nations and people afforded the US for so long, it has burst, and with it the benefit of the doubt about any greatness of the US.

[quote] the bubble of illusion that other nations and people afforded the US for so long, it has burst, and with it the benefit of the doubt about any greatness of the US.

Ok. So what?

Things change. With our money.

China's influence is literally funded by American money.

Hate America, but love our money

He's right. He's not claiming China has never had a downturn in fortunes. He's saying the US never has until now, unlike most other countries, because we are a very young country compared to most.

Of course he's being a jingoistic Chinese leader, somewhat gleefully pointing out the unmistakable downslide of one of his country's biggest rivals, but I actually find the heart of his message hopeful for the US, even if he didn't intend it that way. America will come back some day. Likely not in our lifetimes, but someday.

The America we knew is gone. Getting offended and pretending otherwise when someone points it out is not going to bring it back. Being clear-eyed about it is a start, though.

[quote]Many believed its sun would never set.

The saying back then was that the sun would never set ON the British Empire because it held so many lands spread across the planet, there was always sun visible in some part of it.

Anyway, this is a pet peeve, I only mentioned it because I've never seen it used incorrectly like that before. Guess a lot of nuance gets lost in translation, which is understandable.

He's a dictator so you have to take everything he says with a giant grain of salt.

A cursory Google search suggests this is not Xi. It's just some fake Xi account going viral on social media and on low-quality media outlets that have low or no due diligence processes.

Grain of salt, cont'd: