Severe flash flooding in Texas with multiple fatalities

Thoughts and measles.

Flash, flash for fantasy!

“Some reports over 10 inches”.

orange jesus says no $$$ for you.

$$$ is for the rich who will trickle it down to you

[quote] Two Camp Mystic directors, Britt and Catie Eastland, pleaded for help and said that some children are not accounted for and that some cabins appear to have been flooded and possibly washed away. They also said the roads have been washed out and that they need urgent air assistance. Camp Mystic is a Christian summer camp for girls in Hunt.

Oh...a Jesus Camp. Quelle surprise.

[quote] Asked whether the county had a warning system that might have sounded an alert as the Guadalupe rose, he said: “We do not have a warning system.”

[quote] Rest assured, no one knew this flood was coming,” Kelly said. “This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. We deal with floods on a regular basis. When it rains, we have water. We had no reason to believe this was going to be anything like what happened here, none whatsoever.”

Most dangerous valley in the whole country, but they put summer camps there and have no monitoring in place?

Oh well...I'm sure they will get along just fine and not ask for any federal handouts, right?

True Christians would have built an ark and been saved.

An Ark, fuck yea!

[quote]Camp Mystic is a Christian summer camp for girls in Hunt.

So, Jesus wasn't protecting them? Oh wait, they're girls, so it must be divinely inspired flooding or something.

Mystic Hunt is my drag name

It’s pronounced Misty Cunt.

Where's your Messiah nooooooooww?

The should have paid attention to that forecast from NOAA. But anyway FEMA will be available to help with the aftermath of this disaster. Oh, wait…

A disaster! We're on our way to sort things out and provide both immediate and longterm assistance.

Thank goodness Trump is doing away with FEMA!

Jesus wanted those girls to end up in wet t-shirts.

Kerrville is a beautiful town - whatever you think of Texans, this is a wonderful part of the state.

…that’s prone to murderous weather events.

It is truly the nicest part of the state. We go to that area every couple of months.

God is punishing America for dump’s Big, Beautiful Bill.

A high school friend of mine posted this earlier today:

💧💧💧💧💧💧

Well Folks, Happy 4th of July from Hunt, Texas, the magical source of the Guadalupe River 😎😎

Many of you know we have been under a pretty severe drought the last few years and we’ve been waiting patiently for a decent rain event to potentially clean up our river with a flood. It appears that day has finally arrived. It’s been raining here for over 2 hours and the forecast shows the potential for up to an additional 5-8 hrs of rain. These are not ordinary rains, and appear to be 1 inch plus per hour. This tropical system which moved in overnight from deep S Texas and Mexco is training on top of the heart of the hill country in a dangerous pattern.

The potential for flash flooding is extremely high and especially dangerous since this tropical rain has come during the middle of the night while many people are asleep and possibly unaware of the potential danger.

Please be careful and stay off the rd if possible. Do not try to cross a low water crossing in this area. It’s a very serious situation and we appear to have a chance at much more rain in a short period of time.

I will report back when I know more later this morning.

💧💧💧💧💧💧💧

Sweepaway Camp

Lots of rain in Austin today

13 people died in a flash flood in San Antonio about a month ago. Things are poppin’.

This is crazy.

C’mon, let’s not joke about little girls dying.

Terrifying r24

Everything is booger in Texas.

Some of them were obviously lesbionic.

The scary thing is, no matter where you live, we're all subject to extreme weather due to global warming. But yes, thank heavens we got rid of FEMA and those pesky weather nerds at NOAA. Well played, DOGE!

I suppose Cruz is on his way to Cancun.

[quote]The Llano River in Llano, TX might be nearing its crest as the flow has leveled off at a whopping 125,000 cubic feet per second. It was flowing near 500 cubic feet per second only hours ago.

Don't tell him it's almost hurricane season r30

I looked at the camp's website. You know how even if something like that is lily-white they'll get the black and Hispanic kids prominent in the photos?

So white they couldn't even do that.

Jesus camp couldn’t spring for a weather radio with an alarm?? They should be sued into oblivion.

Couldn’t care less.

News Flash: Greg Abbot and Trump will do absolutely nothing to help.

R35

You can read this headline and still feel that way? If yes, what the fuck is wrong with you? These are children.

Twenty children are still missing. I don't care who their parents voted for or who the state's governor is, these are kids that should have a chance to grow up and make their own decisions. I hope they are able to find them and that all or most are alive.

Wishing the best for everyone missing.

Will Gerg Abbott have to beg King Dump for some cash like his old slam piece Sarah Hucklebees did when Arkansas had wildfires?

Better get down on your knees, Gerg. Oh wait....

That river rising like that is terrifying. I imagine the dam behind that bridge is going to be severely compromised as well. Some years back, there was a regular column in our newspaper dedicated to real estate news, and one week, the columnist had written a letter condemning the mandatory set back from waterways handed down by our state legislators as being grossly unfair to landowners and preventing a lot of valuable real estate from being developed. Bad luck for his timing, because the day his column ran, the front page of the paper was dominated by the picture of a full-sized house FLOATING down what is normally a small creek in my town. We are in a semi-arid area and we cannot possibly get the rains that Texas can get, but for us all it takes is a deep snowpack, a sudden thaw accompanied by a generous normal rain, and small creeks even here can become raging torrents. Looking at those pictures, it's obvious that NOTHING should be built within 200 yards on either side of that creek, no matter how low it usually flows.

Q: What's the name of a man floating away in a Texas flash flood?

A: Bob

It’s a red state. It will get all the FEMA it needs.

Worry about disasters in blue states.

Still 20 kids missing r43. Was the alerting system compromised?

[quote]It’s a red state. It will get all the FEMA it needs.

R43, Mississippi, North Carolina, and West Virginia were denied aid from FEMA. Arkansas was finally approved last month after being repeatedly denied.

The Huckabeast supported DeSantis early in the election. Trump enjoyed making her and her state suffer.

Without Jesus camp, where will these girls go to get abused???

If it were Ptown or Fire Island, what would these Texans be saying?

What a Trump done to America that I just don’t give a shit about these people?

They should learn from this. It's been in the news for decades. A family was swept away outside Wimberly a few years back. These rivers always flood in the hill country.

Maybe check the fucking weather forecast a week out before you have your campouts and vacations and cancel it if there's any sign of rain. Maybe build the fucking houses by the river banks higher on stilts like they do near beaches.

This shit needs to fucking stop happening. Ought to be a law.

[quote] Maybe check the fucking weather forecast a week out before you have your campouts and vacations and cancel it if there's any sign of rain.

The county doesn't have an alert system, but recent cuts to NOAA & NWS also contributed to the lack of preparedness, R50.

[quote]NewsNation national security contributor Tracy Walder, whose daughter is friends with some of the missing campers, said the relay of information has been a challenge because campers did not have access to technology during their stay at camp.

[quote]“Technology is actually not allowed there,” Walder said. “That’s why communication and information is kind of a bit difficult to come by at this point in time.”

[quote]President Donald Trump has been in touch multiple times, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said, with offers to provide whatever assistance is needed.

[...]

[quote]Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly told media outlets that there was no warning regarding the severity of the flood and said the county doesn’t have a warning system.

It was surprising to read that Trump reached out, considering he hasn't done that for any other recent disaster or the recent assassinations, until I read that historically, campers and their parents have had political ties.

^

Well hopefully the political elite make sure measures are put in place to stop this.

Well, if they are Christians, then they understand it's god's plan, so they shouldn't be too sad

pity, but they can pray it away

24 people now confirmed dead, 20 kids still missing.

Kerr County got 12 inches of rain in three to four hours.

This certainly will be the end of the organization that sponsored the camp. Some might end up in jail.

[quote]The camp was evacuated overnight after the area was hit with up to 10 inches of rain, but some of the campers were left behind. Several of the cabins were reportedly flooded, while others washed away. The roads surrounding the cabins were washed out.

Poor kids. They must have been terrified last night. I hope they’re hiding somewhere safe and dry and are found but their parents must be frantic.

The camp, Mystic, only became “Christian” when it became Texas-trendy to be so. My sisters went in the 60s. It’s always been elite, expensive, and important to Texas female status. LBJ’s daughters went there. Possibly the Bush twins. If these parents can’t get special treatment in a flood, nobody can.

So possibly over 40 dead.

Life seems so cheap to those who could do more.

[quote] Don't tell him it's almost hurricane season

What, hurricane season? Is that even a thing, who knew?

At least it's not 20 fetuses that are missing!!

We should start a rumor that all those girls were pregnant. Maybe then Republicans would care.

[quote]R38 Twenty children are still missing… these are kids that should have a chance to grow up and make their own decisions.

But lately each generation seems worse than the one before - so it would at least be more manageable with fewer of them (?)

There's a couple on SM stuck in Nice, France on vacation and frantic that their two daughters are unaccounted for at this Camp. They are asking if anyone with a private jet can give them a lift back to Texas...

[italic]Waaaaa![/italic]

I really don’t care. Do U?

[quote]R65 There's a couple on SM - -

A couple on smack?

[quote] At a press conference late on Friday evening, Texas Governor Greg Abbott said the floods had been devastating, and declared that 'we need God more than ever.'

[quote]'It needs God, but it also needs a robust response... searches will continue in the darkness of night, and they will continue' into the early hours of Saturday, Abbott said.

Wasn't the flooding an act of God? Just pray harder and that'll solve everything, eh?

[quote]It’s a red state. It will get all the FEMA it needs.

Red state or blue state, if the machine FEMA is severely hobbled or completely broken (as it likely is), the other can't respond quickly or can't reach some people at all.

The Huckabeast had to beg Trump for FEMA aid for tornado damage in AR after the first request was denied.

Flasha Floodine AKA Flasha Fierce is my drag name.

i really don't care.

do you?

Where are the Cruz girls right now?

🐆🍽️

[quote]Flasha Floodine AKA Flasha Fierce is my drag name

Personally, I'm sticking with Musty Stables.

Fuck the whole of Texas. Let the floods wash it away

R73

20 young girls are missing - there is a strong possibility that they were literally swept away from their summer camp . 20 families desperately waiting to hear the news that their seven-year old is OK. These little girls can’t vote and yet you still don’t care.

TF.

ETA: a nine-year old girl was found dead. But her parents MIGHT have voted for Trump so who cares, right?

Thanks for being the voice of reason on this thread, r78

R79

Thank you - I’ll admit I’m not feeling very reasonable right now and trust me, all who know me here and in real life know much I despise Abbott, Patrick, Trump, Cruz, et al…

But these are just children. Really young kids. And their parents don’t deserve this, no matter who they voted for. We have lost the moral high ground when we can’t show compassion during a horrific tragedy like this.

By the way, the little nine-year old girl who was found dead was named Renee. I can’t bear thinking about her last moments.

[quote]20 young girls are missing - there is a strong possibility that they were literally swept away from their summer camp . 20 families desperately waiting to hear the news that their seven-year old is OK

Crisis actors!

2 Camp La Junta campers share how they survived Kerr County floodwaters

I don't think people are mocking the potential deaths of 20 politically-connected little girls. They are mocking a foreseeable disaster exacerbated by no technology (Trump cuts and a Fascist-Christian concept of God), historically and frequently floodplain campsite, and ridiculous entitled reaction (prayer, private jets, deflection). After FAFO we are fully embracing this FO phase.

Exactly!

RED PATRIOTIC TEXANS DON'T NEED NO GODDAMN FEMA. WE'LL PULL OURSELVES UP BY OUR BOOTSTRAPS. YOU

Red and patriotic Texans don't need no goddamn FEMA. Will pull ourselves up by our boot straps. You watch. We won't be sticking our hands out to Washington. Promise

R80, I appreciate your compassion. However, if these people support and vote for the party of Sandy Hook deniers, at some point do they not deserve what they vote for?

It is possible to feel saddened by the horrific loss of young lives (which I do); and still give stink eye to the parents of those children, who voted to elect people who [italic] told them [/italic] they were going to cut the safety nets on which we all rely.

Wealthy families send their daughters to this prestigious camp. It costs over $4000 to attend. That's why it's so surprising for something like this to happen there.

The owners of the camp will be buried under lawsuits. The families can afford to hire the best lawyers.

A quick bankruptcy filing, and leave the rest to the insurer. No fingerprints left behind. It’s the American way.

[quote]A quick bankruptcy filing, and leave the rest to the insurer. No fingerprints left behind. It’s the American way.

It worked for me and look where I am now!

Used camp for sale!

The fact that they evacuated before checking to see if all the kids were safe is disturbing on a few levels. First for the obvious reasons that kids were left behind and second which would indicate it was all happening so fast that everybody was most likely frantic and terrified.

Right, that was a HUGE administrative error

Wikipedia: Kerville County 2024 vote: 75% MAGA; 25% Democrat.

Should I send a quarter of a prayer and thought?

And I thought Camp Crystal Lake was bad.

[quote] Should I send a quarter of a prayer and thought?

I think you should adjust your quarter of a prayer by a margin of error.

Some hick official said that this happened in the most dangerous river valley in the US. Why the fuck would you build a camp there?

R96 = pollster Queen Harry Enten or the closeted Steve Kornacki.

R82. Poor kids. It’s all just heartbreaking

It's God's will.

[Quote] And their parents don’t deserve this, no matter who they voted for.

Are you for real? Their parents voted for, and cackle with delight over, children being torn screaming from their parents. They LOVE that.

The parents claim global warming is a demoncrat hoax and chant DRILL BABY DRILL.

You don’t see how someone might see this as a measure of karma?

R20, I hope your friend made it through ok.

No such thing as climate change due to humans and who needs FEMA. Drill baby drill and continue to self destruct putting the GOP in power. After all: Hilary’s emails and the Biden crime family and the pizza parlor pedo ring (Hilary again).

Dump already promising aid to RED Texas no questions asked but Ca. is threatened with withholding funds for firestorm relief because we hate that convicted felon.

[quote]But these are just children. Really young kids. And their parents don’t deserve this, no matter who they voted for. We have lost the moral high ground when we can’t show compassion during a horrific tragedy like this.

Apply this reasoning to ICE raids, please.

^I had more to say about this, but Muriel will not accept my post.

Texas! Yeah, YOU!

You WILL get the government YOU voted for.

Texas is blaming The National Weather Service, which they voted, through Trump, to cut funding for

Meanwhile, in Florida:

Trump: "Let's build a concentration camp in a swamp!"

DeSantis: "And surround it with a moat filled with alligators! What could possibly go wrong?"

It's weird that the storm is just hanging out there and not moving on, similar to the devastating hurricane Harvey 8 years ago.

The storm is just hanging around.

That sure sucks for them

The storm is confused about where to head... into America, or into the Gulf of America.

[quote]The storm is just hanging around.

Tell it to get a job.

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this ... this is working very well for them."

If we celebrate the death of innocent kids then I think that we are just as bad as these MAGA fuckers.

Yes, us giving them what they give us X10 is great and likely necessary in certain areas. (Democrats have become utter pussies)

But I don't think this is one of them. I don't want to celebrate the deaths of these girls. One or two or ten of them could have grown up and become a great person.

Given that this is a Christian girl's camp in Texas, I'm going to guess that 100% of the parents voted for Trump and thus voted for DOGE and the drastic, life-threatening cuts to government that they promised throughout the campaign and even committed to — in writing via Project 2025 — prior to the election with ample notice and literally decades of evidence of the potential outcomes when meteorologists don't have access to the tools that allow them to accurately and reliably predict the weather. And so, when a predictable and easily preventable tragedy like this comes to its inevitable conclusion, we are correct in assuming that this is the outcome that these parents voted for.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And now, the only question is whether a single one of the parents will speak the truth and say out loud that their vote for Trump cost them their child's life.

Who the fuck is "celebrating", R116?

Exactly, R117. These parents voted for Trump. They just never thought that his policies would negatively affect them.

What's strange to me is that the Camp hasn't issued any statements. The Camp Director and owner died, and the only notice is some click-bait news notice on facebook. My sister's friend confirmed because her daughter is a camp rep (the person who insures all the best girls in her town pick Mystic.) Supposedly he died trying to rescue the 7-8 year olds who were in the cabin that was washed away. But only heard through my sister. Sister also said that the parents are only getting word from TV and local authorities, hit or miss. Nothing from Mystic. You'd think they'd have a PR firm handling things at this point. But in the end, as exclusive as Mystic is, it's a fucking weird secretive club where Christianity is now forced on the campers as part of their purity rituals.

[Quote] R120 : The Camp Director and owner died...

I think you answered the question in your comment's first sentence. I'm sure the remaining staff left are trying to figure out wtf to do in this disastrous situation and who has the authority to take action on behalf of the camp.

R118- Semantics-

This thread is certainly not mourning.

Don't start being like these MAGA asshats who you cannot even have a basic conversation with- We are better than these morons.

I have a client who is one- and they are a cult. You cannot reason with them.

[quote]The owners of the camp will be buried under lawsuits. The families can afford to hire the best lawyers.

A bunch of the parents are lawyers themselves. One, a mother of two survivors, spoke to the NYT last night. Paywall-free article at link.

Officials don’t care they’re Trumper’s and they knew this was going to happen. The area is called ‘’Flash Flood Alley’’ Trump and friends wanting to get rid of white trash children-mission accomplished!

finger-pointing at EVERYTHING

• state-emergency agency — at the failure of weather-forecasters

• county judge — dunno...

• alex jones — geo-engineered directed-energy

This was published the day before the flood.

R87

Trust me, I get it. And I am happily ensconced in my reliably blue neighborhood in reliably blue Austin, so it’s extremely painful to vote for people who care about other humans and our planet, only to have these obvious outcomes when the bad people win. FAFO, indeed.

And will conservatives learn? Of course not.

R105

I do because I’m adamantly opposed to them.

[quote]Officials don’t care they’re Trumper’s

That's an outright lie. The officials [italic]only[/italic] care because the dead are Trumpers' children. Let me put it this way: if this were a migrant camp of children, would this even be news? Would Abbot and his dastardly crew be throwing blame? Would Shady JD be tweeting about broken hearts?

No, no and no. [italic]They[/italic] would be celebrating. After all, migrants are criminals — or at least the children of criminals — right?

I was going to add "would we be discussing this on DL", but that goes to R116's projection of "celebration" over the death of these children. We would be discussing it because we're not MAGA and do, in fact, care about these children... just in the context of caring about all children and wanting all children to be safe, secure and not drowned by a predictable and preventable tragedy caused by the hate, cruelty and let-them-eat-cake attitude that MAGA shouts from rooftops daily — and votes into power.

No, R116, we're not the same, and what we're expressing here is no celebration nor game of semantics.

Exactly, r129.

R50 watching the news for weather forecast is for fags. Everyone knows we waste tax payer dollars on Commie weathermen when their entire job can be learned on an app, and even then you must still be doubtful.

look how texas parents are treated when texas parents attempt to move their own kids to safer spaces

BREAKING: Texas Officials Blast Trump for Fatal Error

This is my next American Horror Story...

They are kids don't blame them for their parent politics. Looks like a freak flood occurred. It does seem like Texas has more than its share of disasters of late. Driving through Texas it looks like much of the country has been grazed by cows down to dust. Maybe they need to look at that. Cant be good for the flooding situation.

[quote]They are kids don't blame them for their parent politics

I am neither blaming nor mourning them.

r133 don't worry, they'll be having wild makeup sex by Monday evening.

Those poor kid in camp.

The camp counselors are older teens and college-age girls.

[quote]One counselor got all of her girls out through the window and had them keep hold of a clothesline. She got washed away in the effort and even while that was happening to her, she yelled to her girls to keep holding on. She saved their lives. Do not denigrate those counselors.

[quote]P.S. The Twins counselor was rescued but I don’t know her name.

This girl was swept 12 miles downstream before grabbing a tree.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]A 27-year-old father, Julian Ryan, died saving his family. As water quickly rose in their home off the river, Ryan punched a window to get his fiancée, children, and his mother out of the home safely and onto the roof. The punch severed an artery in his arm

Trump must be so pissed because his big beautiful bill passage has been pushed out of the headlines.

The MAGAts will twist themselves into pretzels to blame these events on anything except climate change.

R142 Noooo! He’s cute

Side by side footage of the river that rose 22-26 ft in one hour.

They were making love while that young boy drowned!

Good lord, now I’ve read everything.

Some loons are actually posting on insta accounts that the missing children from the floods were taken in child trafficking. 🤦🏻‍♀️

People are nuts, R148.

Source for R149.

So this is "beautiful" Texas "Hill" Country? Those aren't even hills. It looks flat and ugly to me. The rest of Texas must be dreadful.

And the Olympic gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to... Julie!

The flooding is Jesus’ tears for all those lost abortions in Texas.

For those of us not in areas where flash floods ever happen, a question for those who do: just how much advance warning is usually provided and how long until a situation goes from normal/dry to catastrophic?

[quote] AccuWeather said the private forecasting company and the National Weather Service sent warnings about potential flash flooding hours before the devastation.

[quote]“These warnings should have provided officials with ample time to evacuate camps such as Camp Mystic and get people to safety,” AccuWeather said in a statement that called the Hill Country one of the most flash-flood-prone areas of the U.S. because of its terrain and many water crossings.

Drag those science-denying bumpkins for filth, AccuWeather!

R147 wins.

Particularly mind boggling is that these camps are allowed to operate in this area at all, considering that a similar flash flood incident happened in July 1987 when ten teenagers drowned at a Christian camp at the "Pot O' Gold" Ranch . And the parents continue to send them to this area every summer.

What demented reasoning will Trump use to blame this on the Biden administration? Failure to rake the dry river beds?

[quote]And the parents continue to send them to this area every summer.

I have to admire their perseverance.

Summer camps have always given me the creeps. There's so much that can go wrong. Maybe I've seen too many horror films.

Tough shit. You voted for this.

[quote]For those of us not in areas where flash floods ever happen, a question for those who do: just how much advance warning is usually provided and how long until a situation goes from normal/dry to catastrophic?

Sometimes you're warned days in advance that if the forecast holds up, there's a possibility of flash flooding on a particular day. Things can also change so quickly that you might only have a few hours notice at best. And sometimes there are unpredictable variables involved like blocked culverts or sewer system malfunctions, that cause flooding in areas that are usually spared.

Flash flood warnings are usually intended to keep people off the roads; evacuations are rarer. Once the event is underway and you're getting the insane amount of rainfall per hour that happened in Texas, evacuation orders can claim more lives than they save. This was a terribly tragic situation and intense rain events like this are becoming more common, which makes it all the more important to beef up our weather services and warning and response systems, rather than eviscerate them.

My friend Julie is a cunt R149!

Trump Admin Visibly Panicked as Officials BLAME THEM

Even with the best warning systems, there will sometimes still be fatalities from natural disasters. But we should want to lower the numbers as much as we can by having those systems and keeping the as modern as is reasonable.. Learn from the past to better the future. It's pretty simple and it's frustrating that many don't get that. The ones that do get it but don't care are another matter.

It's very sad that these girls lost their lives. And the adults too. There is no joy to be found in this. RIP.

Mix - Cyndi Lauper - The World Is Stone

BREAKING: TRUMP MAKES IT WORSE

R149 I hate people like the woman you posted. They never take ownership of anything. It’s always someone else’s fault. Always some conspiracy. No you stupid ass bad 80s hair bitch. You voted for a man, who set up policy creating the perfect storm, pun intended, for a scenario like this to happen.

They aren’t nuts, just stubborn and indignant. They will lie to save face. Just like dysfunctional libs who won’t contend that Biden severely hurt the party, maybe irrevocably, with his refusal to step down.

Why does everyone assume that the parents are Trump-loving MAGA voters? Almost 5M Texans voted for Harris in 2024. Not everyone in Texas is a MAGAt. And I've seen no indication that this camp was some sort of fundy Christian camp. Not all Christians are MAGAts. What I've seen leads me to think it's foremost a camp for the children of the wealthy and elite. Not all rich people are MAGAts.

There are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread simply to justify hatred for Texans and Christians (but oddly not much hatred being directed towards the wealthy.)

The wealthy are perfect in every way.

Interesting posting history, r168.

Which one of you DLers is responsible for this?

(and how did you do it?)

R140: I saw a lengthy report about that gal's rescue on one of the San Antonio news stations last night (on YouTube). Really heartbreaking story. She was with her parents at a campground for the holiday weekend. They were awakened around 4:00 am by the flooding.

Initially, the three of them clung onto a tree together, but the force of the water was so great, her father was swept away after a few minutes. Shortly thereafter, she & her mother also lost their grip on each other, and the tree. She told rescuers that for a minute or two as they traveled downstream (she wasn't really sure how long), her mother was close enough that she could hear her -- they were yelling back & forth at each other -- but then she didn't hear her anymore. She had no idea how long it was until she grabbed onto that tree where she was found. She recalled going over a few dams, and at one point, passing under bridge where she could see some LEO/Rescue crews on it (flashing lights) as she approached. She screamed & waved, but it was so dark & so loud they didn't see or hear her.

She was spotted in the tree about 8:00 am, by a man who'd returned to inspect his house, after moving his family to higher ground (just in case) a couple hours earlier. When he walked around to his back deck to see how high the water level still was, he heard her screams for help & finally picked her out amongst the trees, way out in the middle. She was waving at him. It took close to another hour for swift-water rescue to actually get her out of there.

Incredibly, she sustained no injuries that required immediate treatment (or that she be taken somewhere). She had scrapes & bruises all over, and obviously she was physically exhausted (and traumatized), but no broken bones, or deep lacerations requiring a tetanus shot & stitches, etc. First responders had other rescues to get to, so after the EMTs checked her out, the guy's family brought her into their home instead of responders taking her to an impersonal evacuation shelter. Got her a hot shower, clothes, food, she took a nap, they helped her get in touch with her family members etc. That's the good stuff I like to hear about during natural disasters.

The NYT said that young Pickles Bush was a counselor there!

I am hearing 43 dead now- Wow.

Will Anderson Cooper be out there tonight, tomorrow or Monday night?

Was that when Pickles Bush was a pot dealer R173?

Death toll is now at 51. Yikes.

This reminds me of the movie Little Darlings.

I stopped reading at Texas.

Christ. That is awful.

R175 - you mean Allison Cooper.

It is now R151.

I have to say: I think all rich people in Texas are MAGA. Bar none.

Will David Muir be reporting in a fishing boat and hip boots?

Well, R183, you would be wrong... You asked for one name, we give you Mark Cuban.

Dear Lord in Heaven!!! At least it wasn't the nearby Boys Camp

[quote] The fact that they evacuated before checking to see if all the kids were safe is disturbing on a few levels.

Can someone link to this story? There are several girls from my part of Houston either missing or deceased.

[quote]The fact that they evacuated before checking to see if all the kids were safe is disturbing on a few levels.

Republicans only care about “pre-born” kids.

[quote] Why does everyone assume that the parents are Trump-loving MAGA voters? Almost 5M Texans voted for Harris in 2024. Not everyone in Texas is a MAGAt.

The kind of people who have money and desire to send their kids to camps like these are Republicans.

Anyone remember this?

R151

Yeah, Kerrville is hideous.

R183

I come from a well-off family and have plenty of my own money. If anything, I’ve become even more liberal as I gotten older. Not a single member of my extended family voted for Trump.

But did you go to Christian camp, r192?

Same here, r192, but you have to admit that the majority of wealthy people in Houston are Republicans.

I didn’t sign my daughter up for whitewater rafting!

Great, another camping summer stuck stranded in the house tree-tops with YOU!?!!! Rude.

Buck never would've drowned in a Christian girls' camp!

They basically sent their kids to concentration camps.

How many are placing bets on total number dead? I’m sure the online gambling sites are making a killing.

R199- Sadly I am going to say 60.

Too bad this wasn't a "Christian parents" camp instead!

193

Absolutely not!

I’m a nerd - I went to band camp twice and sports camp. (And equestrian camp, run by two lesbians in Wimberley, TX.)

Did you all see the video with the incapacitated man stuck in a hospital bed and his daughter? He gave serious MAGA vibes- and I still was horrified for them- The daughter showed the house entirely flooded - 3-4 feet of water- We have to keep our souls sympathetic-let's try to be better than these people. Folks cannot be faulted for who they were born to and how they were raised to believe in hatred-Your subconscious is basically formed by 7-8 years old- These MAGA's were all children- they were fucked from day one.

We need to be the change.

'Cause we are born innocent Believe me, Adia We are still innocent It's easy, we all falter Does it matter?

R129 is not wrong. I can’t even remember the name of the TX town that had the school shooting, the cowardly security guard, and the alternative fact spouting LE.

We kept trying to tell MAGA

God KEEPS trying to tell MAGA (well, I don't believe in that shit but my MAGA family in Texas do.)

trump's trying to killus all.

Uvalde, R204.

Yes you can fault people for how they were raised. The word is change. Whether or not they want to.

pro-life "christians" get what they deserve

[quote]Folks cannot be faulted for who they were born to and how they were raised to believe in hatred

At some point people are expected to grow a brain and recognize right from wrong.

[quote]Folks cannot be faulted for who they were born to and how they were raised to believe in hatred

bullshit, yes, they can. fuck them

Grok blames...Musk

R208- stop it-

R209- Your subconscious forms your entire life-- Its nearly impossible to overcome it-

You know as well as I do how DUMB these people are- its because they can't fucking change.

Thanks to my job (as I mentioned above) I have to deal with some of these people. One told me that Project 2025 was GOOD and I clearly did not read the entire text.

They are truly FUCKED.

I am not going to celebrate anyone's death but Trump- and some of his most evil pieces of shit. The ones with serious wealth and power who use that power to destroy the world- Not these flood victims.

That's just my way - right or wrong.

MAGA is blaming liberals for what happened.

They're controlling the weather. If it weren't for these left wingers, the weather would be just fine.

MTG is working on a bill to prevent liberals from creating these situations again in the future.

Seriously. She is.

R202, did you stick a flute up your pussy?

Its the sharpie all over again

Well where do you live R192? I’m talking TX. Big oil, big ranchers, big generational heirs. Entrenched attitudes made for MAGA before it was a twinkle in Trumps daddy’s eye. Even when it was a Democrat state.

I think the trolls saying it's just a bunch of MAGAts so fuck them are just that, trolls If you can't find empathy in your heart for 50 some little girls, half of them who were probably scared of going to camp in the first place, being swept out of their beds by a raging river to be pummeled to death by debris in the dark, you're not a Democrat. You're barely human and you're certainly not helping. Fucking shame on you.

R217- Thank you. I do not think that this could be said better.

R217 this place has always been filled with the gallows humor. Dating back to 9/11 and even prior.

But all of a sudden we're all supposed to stop and transform and become very, very earnest and solemn because it involves a bunch of the same Texas Christians who vote antigay any chance they get?

Yeah, I can see why there's a level of schadenfreude there.

God is obviously angry with heterosexuals. Why else would he be drowning them?

R217 is an insatiable bottom.

R217 is right - we can't know anything about the victims and their families but we do know a lot about the terrible Texas officials who can't seem to do anything except (1) praise Donald Trump and (2) complain about the federal government (specifically the National Weather Service, which evidently sent out the appropriate alerts). We should focus on them.

That press conference with the governor seems to have been a disgrace (anytime Kristi Noem shows up for anything, it's going to be a disgrace).

Texas officials were only sending out alerts via Facebook and Twitter/X. What about all the people who don't use them? I wonder if that's standard practice elsewhere.

Trump is as responsible for these needless deaths as he was for the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in his first term.

Oh, yes! We can't possibly deduce the politic persuasions of a bunch of Texas Christians. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

[quote]r203 We have to keep our souls sympathetic - let's try to be better than these people.

Sure. Look where it's gotten us.

And can you define "soul," please?

[QUOTE]r217 If you can't find empathy in your heart for 50 some little girls, half of them who were probably scared of going to camp in the first place, being swept out of their beds by a raging river to be pummeled to death by debris in the dark, you're not a Democrat. You're barely human an

I just call myself CHILD FREE! And PROUD!

R219, gallows humor is fine. I don't see anything humorous. Maybe Sweepaway camp? I'm sure there were tons of girls there who would've grown up to rebel against their parents, who may have been sent there because they were already rebelling. Making mean comments about their deaths is the same as them rubbing their hands together at the thought of immigrants being devoured by alligators.

[quote] Did you all see the video with the incapacitated man stuck in a hospital bed and his daughter? He gave serious MAGA vibes- and I still was horrified for them- The daughter showed the house entirely flooded - 3-4 feet of water- We have to keep our souls sympathetic-let's try to be better than these people.

R227, oh, please. GTF over yourself. Were you here for the thread about the cruise ship grandpa tossing the baby on that Royal Caribbean cruise?

As usual, white, Southern Christians (and their sympathizers) are just looking for another excuse to be 'the victims.'

[quote]r227 I'm sure there were tons of girls there who would've grown up to rebel against their parents, who may have been sent there because they were already rebelling.

Exactly what evidence do you have of this?

Anyone having kids these days is a moron. We're all doomed. We're all going to die horrible climate related deaths, or eventually the nukes going off. It's a act of child abuse, being born.

[quote]We have to keep our souls sympathetic-let's try to be better than these people.

No, Michelle Obama. When they go low, we’re going lower.

When they go lower, we go meaner.

R231 I am not trying to be mean but if you truly believe those things then you are mentally ill. A healthy human brain always wants to live. I’m not being snarky because I believe you are sincere. Someone loves you and you will be great.

I’m glad I had an abortion!

R235, don't mention dead children and abortion in the same sentence on this thread! HOW DARE YOU!

R234, you realize that your condescending post didn't address a single point of R231's? It's clear to anyone with a "healthy human brain" that anyone born in the last three quarters of this century will be lucky to survive the increasingly adverse effects of climate change. This is closer to Soylent Green than The Jetsons.

R237 I swear I wasn’t trying to be condescending though I knew it would come across that way. It’s so hard not to be viewed cynically making posts like that on a forum like this. I was being genuine. I feel like such a dystopian outlook is rooted in some mental illness or depression.

R157: Crazy. A video about the 1987 flood was posted to YouTube six days ago.

Why is that crazy?

Texas senator John Cornyn posts: "Yikes. Be safe out there!"

Volodymyr Zelensky posted a far more empathetic and thoughtfully worded statement about the floods. And it's not like he doesn't have enough problems to worry about at home.

Why can't we have a leader like him?

I'll save my pity for the children in Africa and elsewhere who are dying of preventable diseases because wealthy nazi assholes Trump and Musk destroyed USAID.

Trump should ban camp as well.

Couldn’t happen to a better state.

R244, you are forgetting Florida. But, we'll take care of that.

It's a camp for future debutantes, apparently (confirmed by someone who lives around there), so yeah, someone's kids, but likely mean girls. They've had big floods before--the land does not easily absorb rain. Lots of orchard crops around there, so apparently they irrigate rather than conserve. Lots of different perspectives on all this. I grew-up near an area that flooded almost every year--it was where a river met one of the great lakes. We always wondered why bad flood didn't get them to pack up, but at least it was so predictable that no one ever died.

It’s either Biden’s fault or God’s way.

R216

I live in Austin - I refer to it in pretty much every comment I make here. My family has been in TX since the 1860s and one of my relatives was/is a very big name in Austin. I grew up in Sugar Land. I know Texas, trust me. And I’ve lived in Los Angeles, DC, Baltimore, and Dublin and travel a lot, so I know the big, wide world outside of TX, too.

I’m having trouble scrolling up so I don’t remember the point of your comment. Was it to paint the state with a large brush? Fair enough.

And to everyone’s points about Southern Christians, also fair enough: two things: my VERY, GOP for years Christian brother voted for Kamala in 2024 and Hillary in 2016. My once old-school GOP dad voted for Kamala. Secondly - and I’ve mentioned this before - I encourage everyone to find the Texas Monthly article titled “The Good Book and the Bad” (I believe that’s correct). My son’s episcopal school took a stand years ago regarding Brokeback Mountain and won. It’s a wonderful read and I knew Lucy Nazro very well. She was a Southern Christian who was as liberal as anyone I’ve ever known. Please take fifteen minutes - it’s a wonderful article.

I’m not a Christian but it pains me to see good, thoughtful, reasonable people like this lumped in with the truly evil. The ones in the cult. And it IS a cult.

Lastly, for those who won’t allow any pity for these second and third grade girls who were swept away in the middle of the night, I just don’t know what to say to you. I’m sorry your heart doesn’t have room for them.

Best advice:

Take a break from this thread. It’s doing you no good at this point.

R214

I did not but I appreciate you asking!!

R249

You’re absolutely right - I’m being pummeled with awful news from friends worried about their friends’ daughters, our animal protection officers racing to Kerrville to help find animals, thousands of broken trees, etc. It’s top of mind here and it’s hard to witness and stay quiet.

Thanks for giving me a reality check. I need to stop engaging.

So now the count is up to 69. 21 of those children. JFC.

RR248, In honor of your eloquent post and the deaths of these. human beings.

^^ Sorry I post like I have the shakes^^ keyboard issues with my Mac.

I can’t wait to see how Kkkaroline Leavitt spins this onto the Democrats tomorrow morning. I’ve seen a few people blame this on Musk, and some conspiracy theorists saying it’s Biden leftovers trying to sabotage red states.

Trump is golfing

How do you reason with people who think you can control the weather, yet still don't believe in climate change.

For all the good Dump does, he might as well golf everyday.

R257 Sounds like an Olympic qualifier for mental gymnastics.

To those who are shaming us for not feeling sympathy, you have misdirected your energy. Of course we feel empathy for these children and can't imagine the horror they've suffered; drowning is an awful way to die. My heart breaks for these children and the unfortunate circumstances that put them in harm's way.

What my heart doesn't break for is the parents. They are getting [italic]exactly[/italic] what they voted for: government out of their lives, and that includes the 99% of the beneficial things government does for all of us, like monitor the weather for freak, once-in-a-century storms that wreak havoc, cost lives and livelihoods, and end up costing us all $billion in damages. If I had the opportunity, I would sit across the table from each and every one of these parents and would lay out the facts for them: Project 2025 was very clear on its plans for the NOAA and NWS. We all knew that Project 2025 was going to be enacted by Trump, and we knew just as well that it would not be enacted by Kamala.

If you voted for Trump, the result is that the agencies tasked (you know, government doing something in response to prior catastrophes) were hobbled by Trump, Musk and DOGE. The outcome — this specific outcome — was entirely, 100% completely predictable: agency gutted, the beast was starved, and when the critical moment that an agency was designed to prevent but couldn't came to pass, we are well within reason and compassion to say "We told you so.. This is what you voted for. Elections have consequences, and maybe next time, you'll think of your drowning daughter and the horror she suffered because you voted for the guy who promised to take away basic safety precautions."

Yeah, that would hurt. And if I were sitting across the table from them, I would expect them to lash out at me, perhaps even physically assault me, and I would turn that against them as well because, as I would say, "your anger with me for stating the truth reflects completely upon you. You were the one who knowingly chose to vote to take away basic weather protection, and you were arrogant enough to think that it wouldn't affect [italic]you.[/italic] "

Those are tough words to hear. I know because I've been on the other side of that table several times in my life, and what I can tell you is that I got far more out of being told the cold, hard truth about the consequences of my decisions than I ever did when that truth was softened to make it easier to hear, or I was protected out of some misplaced sense of civility (or as Michelle Obama put it, "going high"). We have gone far past the stage where reason, facts and reality have an impact on MAGA. They (and sadly, we along with them) have to suffer the consequences of their decisions for them to learn to look beyond themselves and consider consequences for their families, their friends, and the rest of us.

And if there is a good that can come from the deaths of these 21 girls, it is that there will be 21 sets of parents in Texas who might consider the implications of their choices.

Clearly those girls from the Christian camp weren't praying hard enough....Or maybe there was a harlot among them

I’m not going to read the entire thread, but I hope someone mentioned that Elon and Big Balls killed those little girls.

God is (not always) good?!

[quote]And if there is a good that can come from the deaths of these 21 girls, it is that there will be 21 sets of parents in Texas who might consider the implications of their choices.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

R260, I was planning to tell you to fuck off, but your post was thoughtful and correct.

(I will only disagree with you speaking on behalf of certain others in this thread who were being nasty troll cunts who's delight at these deaths was/were very clear) No shade, you are better than them-

But everything you said is fair. I agree- and I do hope that many Texans may have some light shed in their minds. Not just these parents.

r243, this one time, at ban camp...

What makes anyone think that the parents of the dead girls will think about the way they vote next time?

I mean, just take gun violence as a comparison. MAGA nutcases don't care how many children are killed in school shootings, so why would any MAGAT change their vote due to a weather/climate event?

[quote]And will conservatives learn? Of course not.

Of course we learned our lesson. And while the radical left, Marxists, Communists all are having a laugh at the thought of innocent Texan little girls' lives being taken away, we have decided to convert the Mystic Hunt summer camp into a c̶o̶n̶c̶e̶n̶t̶r̶... a deportation camp named Epic Hunt Flash Flood Alcatraz, so that the next time, and every other time, the area gets flooded, our real patriots will be able to have a laugh at and celebrate the drowning of hundreds if not thousands of criminals, rapists, gang members and all the brown skinned people that we'll bring here. And just to make sure that none of the vermin can get away safely, we'll add lots of alligators from Alligator Alcatraz for good measure. We will Make America Great Again.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I just looked up this camp - it's in Hunt, TX. There are a LOT of camps around there.

Did the rain start when everyone was sleeping? Seems like they should have had an evacuation plan.

I can't believe I'm the first to ask, but:

What was on the camp's iPod?

Well we’re all going to die. For Heaven’s sakes!

This r270

Ipod:

Trump's cuts to NOAA may or may not be a catalyst to insufficient forecast and warnings, but this is just the sort of thing that they are there for. To provide timely warning to people in risky locations for extreme weather situations such as dangerous flooding, or hurricanes, or blizzards, and extreme heat and extreme cold . Proper warning saves lives.

[quote] drowning is an awful way to die

Is there a good way to die?

Don't be obtuse, r275. Some ways are much, much worse than others.

[quote]Trump's cuts to NOAA may or may not be a catalyst to insufficient forecast and warnings

It very clearly was, r274.

National Weather Service Drops Bombshell on Trump

R269: I'm not sure where those summer camps were in relation to this place...but this is an interview with the owner of an RV park that was washed away near Kerrville. It's long (13 minutes), but worth the watch IMO. At the beginning she talks about how rapidly things developed. It began raining heavily around 1:00 am. She checked the river level around 2:30 am. It seemed okay (or nothing alarming), but still, she called the Sheriff's dept to ask if they had any information. They didn't, so she & her husband went to sleep. An hour later, the park was under waist-deep water, and an RV with a family of five was being swept away.

When this is over, you will see all of the National Weather Service execs fired, not because they fucked up, but because they criticized Trump.

Thanks r279. I was going to mention the RV park as I had seen some footage on the late news when I was half asleep. Your link is a more coherent and complete account.

Those people lack empathy because they’re the literal modern day equivalent of cave people. They’re unenlightened and proud of it. They take down anything that expose them as such.

There are flash flood warnings often in the Hill Country. It's kind of easy to tune them out. The local authorities should have done more to warn people that this was as serious as it was.

They voted MAGA.

[quote]The local authorities should have done more to warn people that this was as serious as it was.

The Administration should have done more to warn the local authorities, r283.

I really don't give a shit about these people, they don't give a shit about me so why waste a single second on these people? It's not what I can control, so I don't worry or think about it.

And the Republican response for bringing up the DOGE cuts/firings at NOAA will be "it's too soon to politicize this tragedy." Same thing they say every time gun regulations are brought up in the context of mass shootings.

They hope the problems will magically go away so they can do nothing and still get their campaign dollars from Elon and the gun lobby.

[quote] "it's too soon to politicize this tragedy."

Depends on who you ask

It’s a Jesus camp. Why don’t Jesus save them?

That's almost funny.

r288 -

Hey Donnie, it was *your* setup from 2017 -2021.

God should have warned the administration.

Jesus might hate them

Mark Cuban R192? That’s it? Name 3 more big name TX wealth holders who aren’t MAGA and I might reconsider.

iPod:

“Nightswimming,” R.E.M.

Oh dear R295.

I feel sad about the kids and the terror they felt but I don’t feel bad about their MAGA Christofascist families.

Yet you wasted time to click on this thread, r286. Face it, you're just a miserable, hateful cunt like many others here.

r251, I'm sorry for those in your community who have been impacted by this tragedy. It's good you're taking a break from this thread. I think I'm going to do so as well.

There are those here whose logic would blame AIDS victims for their deaths and it's just a road I can't head down.

We live in a difficult, chaotic world. We do our best to minimize the risks and some decisions are better than others, but we're all going down in the end. Time to move on to happier threads.

[quote]Mark Cuban [R192]? That’s it? Name 3 more big name TX wealth holders who aren’t MAGA and I might reconsider.

BWAAAAH. You were so sure that there weren't any that you wanted one name. Now, you need more. How soon until you ask for one million?

80 dead.

R295’s bitch really needs to shut the fuck up.

We are supposed to have empathy for victims of natural catastrophes. As a nation we overwhelmingly have. However Trump and his minions have done their level best to pit people against each other, so when bad things happen, we can try to either blame the other side, or say we don't care if it happens to them rather than to us. That is not how civilized humanity should functions.

r304 closes this thread. There really is nothing more to be said.

Pamela Brown is a Mystic alumna.

We're headin' 'cross the river

Wash your sins away in the tide

It's all so peaceful on the other side

Given it's Texas, I am praying for Brandee, Kaydense, Lynsslee, Madisynne, and Sharlytte.

R285 The National Weather Service DID send out warnings hours before the event. It took local officials four hours after the warnings were sent to tell the public (by social media, from what I've read, at about 5 am).

Well, this pretty much sums it all up.

There's probably so much mold in those houses. Tear downs

Marines were sent to LA to help ICE round up undocumented residents.

But

They weren’t sent to Texas to help save lives. . . . .

R308 don't forget Syrce and Ima Hogg.

[quote]For Ms. Chavarria, 28, a teacher from Austin, the wait has been agonizing. Five members of her family from Midland, Texas — her mother, her mother’s husband, an aunt, the aunt’s husband and a cousin — remained missing three days after a torrent of water smashed through their campsite along the Guadalupe River, where they had gathered for what was supposed to be a festive holiday camping trip.

[quote]r284 They voted MAGA. — Now their kids are dead

They also wanted government jobs cut so they'd have lower taxes.

Was it really worth it, Pops?

Trump holds DISASTER PRESSER on DEADLY FLOODS

Any Sharpie action so far, R316?

[quote]Clearly those girls from the Christian camp weren't praying hard enough....Or maybe there was a harlot among them

Such a shame divine intervention had to do what her parents couldn’t.

I don’t care if the parents of those kids voted for Mephistopheles himself, what has happened here is a true American tragedy, & my condolences go out to their parents, their community, & all of Texas.

When I try to imagine what some of those little girls experienced before being completely overtaken & swept away, I have to stop, because we all know how horrific their last moments were, & sitting here on this thread and giving Republican parents shit because they voted differently than many of us, is the height of vulgarity and is classless AF.

They were all innocents, & this fate is beyond comprehension.

May they all RIP. 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽

Like r309 said, the NWS did warn people and the local NWS bureau had even called in extra staff. I hope Trump experiences blowback for this, but it really seems more of a state and local government failure. No one pays attention to those warnings, especially at 1am in the morning. Unless local authorities jump into action, people are going to die.

Via The Tennessee Holler on Twitter

[quote]Sandy Hook parent says tragedies are inherently political: “You may not believe in climate change, but insurance companies absolutely do.”

And she, more than anyone, understands that politically rooted tragedies do not change one single thing.

Surely we already know this, but just in case we forgot, dozens upon dozens of dead children do not impact or affect political change in any meaningful way here in the United States.

Americans are a profoundly stubborn people, & in the final analysis, most are OK with loss of life, including the loss of their own children, in order to not give an inch & admit we have a horrific problem with gun control (or lack thereof), & blatant denialism regarding climate change and the magnitude of events that become tragedies, as a result of denying it.

These problems? These climate change events? They will continue happening, the severity and regulatory of them will increase globally, & we will get used to it, just how we got used to school shootings.

Republicans do NOT prioritize safety & welfare of the general public. They prioritize money, & POWER. That’s all, and that’s it, and Americans are being held hostage by a system views dead kids as a small price to pay in order to reach their objectives.

[quote]I don’t care if the parents of those kids voted for Mephistopheles himself, what has happened here is a true American tragedy, & my condolences go out to their parents, their community, & all of Texas.

You're a better person than I can ever be

I had 50 friends die of AIDS and never once got a condolence from any right wingers. I've was beaten up on the street in a gay neighborhood and left to die, and never once did I get a condolence. I fought on the front lines just to gain equality and these people active work to tear any rights away from me. They would rejoice if we all died. They wouldn't call it an American Tragedy--they'd call it the will of God.

Fuck them and their dead children.

[quote]giving Republican parents shit because they voted differently than many of us, is the height of vulgarity and is classless AF.

I fully admit I have no class. Having class and not being vulgar gets you absolutely nowhere.

Let's just admit it--they brought this on themselves just like they said gays brought AIDS on themselves.

Yes, it's terrible but it could have been avoided. In fact, the next such tragedy could be avoided too--but will they do anything to change it? Will they refund FEMA and NOAA? Will they refund the National Weather Service? Will they get rid of their Texas politicians?

Nope nope nope.

Am I supposed to feel bad about the next tragedy too if they do nothing to prevent it?

Every time such a tragedy befalls any other group of people, the wacko religious folks blame those people for making God do this to them.

Interesting how so quiet they are now, isn't it?

My neighbor and his fiancée come from a town not too far from the affected area. His great-aunt owned a camp that was thankfully empty at the time (between sessions). The camp was swept away along with the great-aunt.

R323, I know all too very well what you experienced. I too, lost beloved friends to AIDS.

If these people weren’t born and indoctrinated into religion & religious/political cults, they would be just like us, R323. That’s the true kicker that deeply stings about this division in this country- without religion, we’d all be the same.

In no way do I agree with the politics of most of Texas, however, I recall all of the horrible shit alleged right wingers wrote all over social media regarding the most recent fires in Los Angeles, & their posts were empty & senseless.

People, specifically innocent people/kids, don’t deserve destruction just because they were born into power hungry families, just like no one deserved AIDS.

It’s very easy to lose our humanity when we’ve seen nothing really change for the better, or when it does change, a particular administration decides to reverse and destroy all of the progress we have made.

I guess I have to ask myself, what good does it do to hate these people, wish them harm, & then revel in their pain & misery?

I’m guessing it advances not changes anything, either.

That said, I’ve been up close and personal in the lives of persons who have lost their children, & all I can say is that there is absolutely no other grief like the loss of a child.

Again - these people grieve as we grieve, they are just like us, but they use religion in order to cope, & it works for them, whether I agree with them or not.

They are not like us.

I hope Governor Hot Wheels finally drowns. Evil piece of work.

[Quote] It’s very easy to lose our humanity

I lost my humanity long ago. When these right wingers treated me like an animal, not a human.

Sorry, I can’t empathize.

When kids got mowed down in Sandy Hook, they didn’t give a shit. Suddenly when it’s their kids, we have to grieve and moan like it’s the end of the world? I’m sure the funerals will be televised and policians trying desperately to show how sad they are.

I’ll have my glass of wine and chuckle that they finally feel pain. They deserve this

Hilarious how, even when Jesus freaks die, all the GOP. A come up with is “thoughts and prayers.”

And also “we couldn’t have stopped this!!! Don’t blame us!!!!! It’s all Biden’s fault!!!”

[Quote] People, specifically innocent people/kids, don’t deserve destruction just because they were born into power hungry families

Um, they actually do

[Quote] Again - these people grieve as we grieve, they are just like us, but they use religion in order to cope, & it works for them, whether I agree with them or not.

But they use that religion as a weapon to repress and hurt us all. I’m suddenly supposed to feel bad when tragedy befalls them. Why do I know they’ll still work hard to end gay marriage and blame us for all the evil in the world?

I wish I could be a true Christian and love my neighbor, but sad for them, I’m an atheist so hate freely

r332, it always must be some other fucker's fault

Hate to say it, but this is what the American voter wants. This is what they voted for. FAFO. Horrible.

[Quote] The camp was swept away along with the great-aunt.

How fucking old was the great aunt? Sorry, it’s Texas. I guess around 50

All I know is, after firing FAA staff, tons of planes started falling from the sky. After firing FEMA and NOAA staff, all these people died.

You can’t convince me the firings and the disasters are not connected

SWEPT AWAY!!!!

r327, I have to feel that this is the great-aunt you were speaking about. If she wasn't a lesbian, she gave a very convincing impression of one. Sad to think "our" community also might have lost one in this cataclysmic event.

Delving into the article, it did say she was married and had one son - I'm guessing her age to be in her early-mid 70s from the fact that her parents bought a boys camp near the one she ended up buying in the 1960s, "when she was a child".

You're a nice man.

They should have prayed the rain away.

I'm sick of hearing about these bitches.

Life goes on - -

[quote]never once did I get a condolence.

I condole you.

R321 is the smartest thing I’ve read lately.

Devastating. Following the Trump Flood in Texas. All his fault.

R320 R321 If the massacre of twenty 6 year old children can't move the needle on common sense gun regulation, then nothing can,.

R348. A succession of gun murders of wealthy, powerful people might move the dial. After all, in their minds, their lives are the only lives that matter.

For those who enjoy science & knowledge...I highly recommend this video about the flood by a retired Air Force meteorologist. The portions about the Kerr County Radar Closeup (showing Camp Mystic's location in the catchment area) and the Flood Wave were especially eye-popping. (the video is time-stamped)

[quote]“The heartbreaking catastrophe that occurred in Central Texas is a tragedy of the worst sort because it appears evacuations and other proactive measures could have been undertaken to reduce the risk of fatalities had the organizers of impacted camps and local officials heeded the warnings of the government and private weather sources, including AccuWeather,” said AccuWeather Chief Meteorologist Jonathan Porter.

[quote] If the massacre of twenty 6 year old children can't move the needle on common sense gun regulation, then nothing can,.

Black people in open carry states brandishing their weapons while strolling the sidewalks and parks of rich white neighborhoods might move the needle.

Unfortunately, it would also get them killed.

If you've taken your blood pressure medication already, read the discussions of the Kerr County Commissioners Court about instituting a warning system. Take care lest your head explode.

This was the reaction of one of the mothers of the victims:

[quote]God showed us the way we should go this morning! We found our lovely daughter who blessed us for 21 years! ❤️ We pray to be able to find her three friends soon. Thanks to EVERYONE for the prayers and support. [bold]God is good![/bold] ❤️❤️❤️'

I will never, EVER understand these people.

R354, sick theology, it’s what happens when full-blown narcissists get Saved by the Blood of Jesus.

Wow. That reddit thread is chilling. They just couldn't have Obama's money or get credit for something useful. Psychos. Blood on their hands

I couldn't read the article at R351, but as far as heeding warnings.....the directors at another camp (on the north fork of the Guadalupe River) were paying attention & had the good sense to move their kids/people to higher ground shortly after the deluge began at 1:00 am.

In a way, it is a very good thing if the genetic material of the mother quoted by R354 isn't propagated any further.

The comments ...

Republicans didn't have a problem politicizing the LA fires so Democrats should politicize the fuck out of this

Neighbor Elon Musk should buy the county a warning system. It would be a very smart move.

That would be clever, r361. He would show up Trump and prayer Republicans with action to protect the public, and it would cost him peanuts.

If the drowning of future debutants doesn't get local government and the state act, nothing will.

That would be a brilliant PR move for Elon, r361

Another Texas tragedy, another Ted Cruz absence:

Cruz landed in Athens, Greece on Thursday, the day after the Texas Division of Emergency Management announced that it was activating state emergency response resources.

That night, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick held a press conference to warn of the "potential flooding" that would hit overnight.

Crus was spotted visiting the Parthenon with his wife, Heidi, on Saturday – the day after Camp Mystic announced that more than 20 girls had gone missing in the floodwaters.

Cruz flew back to Texas on Sunday.

Cancun Cruz, step aside!

Here comes Athens Cruz

I'm sure he was pissed his Greek vacation got cut short. I'm amazed he flew back at all

[quote] Athens Cruz

Sounds like a soap opera character

Those poor girls. Drowning in a flood must be one of the most horrifying ways to die, as it’s far from instantaneous.

And in the dead of night, R369

Ooof. It just all way too much. Those poor little girls.

Someone needs to Luigi the utterly vile Cruz.

[quote] Another Texas tragedy, another Ted Cruz absence

Cruz' presence is an even greater tragedy.

Denton?

[quote] I'm sure he was pissed his Greek vacation got cut short. I'm amazed he flew back at all

I am sure his daughters know many of the girls involved and that is why he's coming back-- not because he otherwise cares.

R372, yes!

He should stay away from the flood-affected areas. They've suffered enough

The only way Ted Cruz could have possibly redeemed himself is for him and his family to have been swept away in the floods.

Now now R376, his daughters hate him too so they can be spared.

Ted Fucking Cruz

“He was with his family and a lone security guard,” said an eyewitness at the Parthenon. “As he walked past us, I simply said, ‘20 kids dead in Texas and you take a vacation?’

“He sort of grunted and walked on. His wife shot me a dirty look. Then they continued on with their tour guide.”

Heidi Cruz is a mega MAGA CUNT.

Death toll at 104

Leave Ted Cruz alone you heathens! He’s thought and prayed as much as he can. He’s doing his best!

R310 is the only appropriate response.

100 dead in Texas flooding as rescues continue statewide

Too bad they didn't get a cool trip to Greece before they died!

One of my direct reports lives in the Hill Country. He's always had flash flood warnings, but they are more frequent in the past few years. He actually got out there and saved some neighbors' pets and helped a few kids out of the water. I told him to take some days off to continue helping out, and I'll take care of his work for him this week. Incredible stories I've been hearing.

For once, I agree with the whore of babylon.

Why was Dan Patrick acting governor when all this happened? Where was hot wheels? Hiding from falling trees?

Hot Wheels is probably busy terrorizing immigrants

I keep thinking about that other camp in the article at R357 — the sister camp that had staff who stayed up that night and watched the weather warnings and checked on the river, saw it begin to rise and jumped into action and evacuated all the kids in time. I would not have been able to sleep if we were camp staff responsible for all these children’s lives and torrential rain was falling and we were housed right there on the bank of a river. I’d be monitoring the situation relentlessly. There’s a latin phrase in legal terminology, [italic] in loco parentis [/italic] — you are in place of the parents, responsible for the safety of the children in your care.

Why were the Camp Mystic staff able to just go to sleep during such a powerful overnight downpour and not be alarmed enough to just stay up and keep watch? The downside of being so religious and giving it all up to God?

I saw a post somewhere and they mentioned that Sit and Spin looked nervous when he was doing the presser.

If a billionaires great-granddaughter died under his watch, I suppose I would be nervous as well.

A side of me would like to believe that this tragedy could seriously, deeply, truly affect those rich people and they would see about changing course in this state. Even if they don’t blame the orange shit stain, maybe they can see how changes and maintenance could have been done at the state and local level. Maybe the elites would now seriously consider a regime change in the state.

A girl can dream.

Biden put out billions in federal funding for the Infrastructure Act, and the Lt. Governor of Texas, as well as the Governor, chose to NOT use the federal funds for effective warning systems for events of this catastrophic magnitude, because they didn’t want to use money from a Democratic administration for public safety, & instead, siphoned some of that funding for Sheriffs and/or cops.

They were specifically allowed to use that money for a comprehensive & viable warning system, and deliberately chose not to. They also could have used the funding for clean energy initiatives & infrastructure, but chose not to. They could have used the money to create new jobs in the green building sector, but chose not to, just like they deliberately ignored their power grid for decades.

These politicians in red states play fast and loose with the lives of others, & why wouldn’t they? Their constituents DGAF about each other, either.

We’re in America. We should all have the best of everything, yet can’t, because people cannot stop with their greed.

I guarantee you, that most of those parents who lost children in those camps will get into a headspace very, very soon, that convinced them that the tragic and preventable death of their children was all in God’s plan, & God’s will. Actually, NO, it was not. Let’s pretend God exists: Was it his will that your elected officials use money from Obama and/or Biden, so that lives could be saved/spared, or was it God’s will that those monies were refused, unused or redirected, so that your little ones could die?

Same with Covid. Was it God’s will that your close friends and family members died from Covid because you refused to understand that it was a REALLY serious public health safety issue, because you and your friends and family members lived in a FOX News bubble, and then people needlessly died, or was it God’s will that you all sheltered in place, wore masks anywhere and everywhere, and social distanced, in order to do your best to contain or prevent contagion?

Christians need to understand that their God gave them a brain, & using it logically, is more important than pride & hubris.

R391, i vaguely recall there’s an actual Bible verse saying “do not put the Lord your God to a foolish test.” In other words, don’t be an idiot and think God will save you.

I think you guys have the wrong idea about the Christians. Only few a that fucking retarded to believe such a stupid thing. The rest will probably rely on their faith to get them through this or stop believing in God entirely.

Really, blame can take a break from the discussion of preventing it again.

R392, yes, I’m quite familiar with your paraphrasing of that verse, as I was born & raised in a very conservative, Christian family. I’m now a very happily proud atheist, as the Bible has some good advice, however, most of it is mythological, & not even well written mythology, imho. I wish Christians could just take a moment to compare their biblical narratives & compare them to a fable or fairy tale, but they won’t, & that’s fine, because even though they are single handedly holding back real scientific & social progress in this country, and should question their reality, they won’t. We’re absolutely held hostage by their bullshit, however, we have to understand and accept that this isn’t changing anytime soon. Perhaps within 2-4 generations, but not yet. Religion is conveniently used as a way to prevent progress, or to hold it back. It works, but it won’t work forever, & eventually, science & technology WILL win out, because it’s simply impossible to hold that back. What we’re witnessing now is the epoch of the power and money hungry, holding on to the final and scarce vestiges of the old world. I won’t be alive to see that dawning of that new era, but I know 100%, without question, that it’s on its way, and I hope that it’s all managed well, but I doubt it, because human beings are childish AF, & don’t like sharing with others.

R393? Nothing you write makes any sense in the English language.

[quote]r393 Really, blame can take a break from the discussion of preventing it again.

PREVENTING it again?? I want an even bigger flood to wash the whole state and all its dingbat resident out to sea.

Wasn’t this a Jesus camp? Maybe they should have prayed harder.

Lots of foreign trolls or members on this thread, which are easily sussed out by their syntax.

Really. How very dare you! Imagine it happened to Lesbos or Fire Island or Greenwich village.

Little kids are not magats.

As many threads r398. Here to make americans hate each other.

[quote] I told him to take some days off to continue helping out, and I'll take care of his work for him this week.

It’s so fucking cringe that you’re announcing this to us. The definition of main character syndrome. No one cares about your bullshit magnanimity. You’re not saving lives by giving some bloke a few extra days of leave. You sound like an asshole.

R401, please be accurate and on him/her, if you’re not a paid bot or dissenter.

Also? Please comprehend that this forum is filled with foreign trolls, which you’re very likely a part of.

Some advice:

You guys/gals can chill.

MANY Americans crave/seek Authoritarianism. They do so, because as a whole, they have unrecognized/unresolved trauma/codependency that they readily respond to.

Now, FUCK OFF, or change the world.

R385?

A whole hearted thanks from me, for giving your employee or even employees, time off to tend to whatever priority.

You are such a GOOD person & leader, & leaders, whether men or women, MUST follow their heart , when considering what may be the final arbitrator of what is right or what is wrong, at any given point.

I want you to understand something MOST Americans aren’t willing to admit… who do we want to be honest?

Does honesty even count???

Who do we ALL actually want to become?

We oppose anything & everything, but what does IT ALL AMOUNT TO???

Ideally? Sweden and/or a combination thereof, of some Nordic countries, appea as ideal.

These countries adopt socialism.

If that is the case:

Why are the Nordic countries living WAAAAY BETTER lives than us????

Why???

Haven’t you ever stopped yourself in your own tracks, rendering a silence, and asked yourself why progressive or Centrist/Wealthy/Progressive Americans with MONEY prefer Europe, over the United States?

Americans need to come to grips with the following, regarding our national security:

It’s OK for ALLL of us to pay higher taxes, for our collective, greater good.

It’s OK to assure that American borne citizens & naturalized citizens, are allowed to stay here, & contribute to our society/economy.

It’s OK that a Mexican couple who have been in this country under a TPS order, with children born in the United States, or a bunch of South Korean sisters, are able & willing to make more money than those of us without a food truck or a nail salon, or a knee on our neck.

Personally? I observe that the immigrant backlash is actually based on how frightening it is for MANY Americans, to see for themselves/experience just how damn hard foreign immigrants work tirelessly, in order to become Americans. I think it scares the living shit out of them, that persons with NOTHING to lose, get here, & put it ALL on the line.

When Americans acknowledge how genuinely valuable these immigrants are to our economy?

Welp?

That may be the day we stop crucifying these poor folk as less than.

We or our ancestors came here for some reason or another.

WE. ALL WANT THE SAME FUCKING THINGS!

Now explain to me, or any old timer, how the ever loving fuck we fell for a con that denies us humanity, our empathy, & our kindness?

If you DGAF about anything at all? This question ain’t for you.

This question is for all who are like me!!!!

How the fuck did we allow ourselves to get here, & how the fuck do we get out in order to protect those who come after us???

Trump the chump has commented.

now’s not the time to ask questions.... during a press conference

tejas reporters getting heated.

PUSHBACK... over little-kids bodies’

watch how fast they race outta the room with their heads slunk and averting eye-contact with the public

[quote]Personally? I observe that the immigrant backlash is actually based on how frightening it is for MANY Americans, to see for themselves/experience just how damn hard foreign immigrants work tirelessly, in order to become Americans.

This.

[quote]sitting here on this thread and giving Republican parents shit because they voted differently than many of us, is the height of vulgarity and is classless AF.

The day after this flood, when these Republican parents were in the worst crisis moments of their lives, Trump had Marines invade MacArthur Park in Los Angeles and conduct an immigrant sweep as though they were invading a foreign land. Think of the good these supposedly best-in-the-world soldiers could have done rescuing drowning children rather than cosplaying in a public park (for no other reason than to terrorize Hispanics in California and try to destroy who is shaping up to be the greatest threat to Republicans in retaking the WH in 2028). This is the choice that Republican parents made.

I'll say that again, R361: [italic]This is the choice that Republican parents made. [/italic] Not thinking 15 seconds into the future and pondering that they may need assistance; not thinking about the terrorized children that have been separated from their parents (including the hundreds from Trump 1.0 that have not been reunited with their families), not thinking about the anguish of [italic]those[/italic] parents... nope. It was all about othering anyone who is not straight, white and Christian.

Sitting in the cool comfort of the voting booth, this is the choice that [italic]these[/italic] Republican parents made. And they made it at the point that voting for the better, more compassionate and capable person would have made the difference between there being a functioning alert system or it being destroyed (by Musk in an attempt to move even more business from government-owned satellites to his privately-owned versions); when it would have made the difference between using the National Guard and our Armed Forces for good, or wasting them in a political show; and ultimately, when it made the difference between choosing which children get to live. They could have chosen the candidate that wanted [bold]all[/bold] children to live, but they didn't. They chose the candidate that wants to kill children. They just made it thinking it wasn't [bold]their[/bold] children at risk.

So, yeah, call me classless or vulgar or any other epithet you want, you aren't going to change my mind. They chose the candidate that killed children (and over a million citizens from young to old) the first time he was in office, and even knowing this, they still chose him again. I feel badly for those poor little girls. But when people use children as pawns, don't you dare tell me to forgive them or show them sympathy or anything other than telling them that actions — and elections — have consequences.

Life is a jungle. You have to survive every day, by making smart decisions. If you're camping next to a river during flash flood warnings- you need to get up and on your way out of there. Fools die.

Dogkiller Barbie sees a glass half full - hundreds and hundreds and hundreds were saved! 🤡

The more details come out, the more damning it is for Camp Mystic in particular.

Cabins were built on a designated floodplain assessed as High Risk. Junction point for a river and a creek. Devastating floods have happened on that river in the past. Children are sleeping in bunk beds in those cabins, mere feet from the river's edge. There' s been a drought for 4 months, the land is hard baked and not ready to absorb any rain. "Flash Flood Watch" issued by local meteorologists that afternoon, 12 hours prior to the disaster. Then the extremely heavy rainfall begins as everybody goes to sleep for the night.. and none of the camp owners or staff are interested or willing to stay up and keep watch???

Swept away. A small faction of princesses swept away.

R410, it was almost a sacrificial rite. And I wouldn't even be surprised if that were true

The animals always know.

Not surprising. Cows are smarter than your average MAGA cultist.

I'm the "terrible manager" above that gave my employee some time off while I did his work this week.

I only announced this to explain that there are real stories out there, and to brag moreso that I'm proud of my direct report. Also, that I'm trying to do something (ANYTHING I CAN) to help here....hoping that would inspire others to think similarly. By offering my time and my ability to give paid time off, perhaps someone else on this thread can think similarly if they are in that position to do so too.

What can we all do to help?

What have you done, R401? Anything other than try and reprimand others?

R415, shake it off, there are some class-war haters in here, and in their minds if you're Management you suck and cannot defend yourself.

You did the right thing. I used to manage staff and I hope any of us would do similar. Best wishes to your staff member who's been affected so directly.

.....and their kin will STILL vote for Republicans.

Owning the libs is far more important than human life.

And, R417, continue to wonder why "the libs" associate MAGA with low IQ.

If those cows hadn't moved it would have been udder destruction.

[quote]The more details come out, the more damning it is for Camp Mystic in particular. Cabins were built on a designated floodplain assessed as High Risk. Junction point for a river and a creek.

Not to split hairs, R410....but there are actually TWO creeks that meet & enter the S. Guadalupe River at Camp Mystic. (it's also right at the "top" of an S-shaped section of the river where there's a hard bend to the north)

Cypress Creek is very obvious/visible on Google Earth because sections of it are dammed upstream, creating ponds & small lakes (as well as being labelled). The much smaller Edmundson Creek, isn't really visible on Google Earth (I'm guessing it's dry most of the time?) -- but it's there, under the trees, entering Camp Mystic from the east. There is a label for it on Google Earth, if one zooms-in on the bridge over Cypress Creek entering the camp. It shows up on FEMA flood hazard maps, that's for sure.

Wow...still over 160 people missing.

[quote]Texas governor says more than 160 people are still missing after deadly floods

Are Latinos counted?

Geez. I've seen subsequent interviews with Lorena Guillen, owner of the destroyed Blue Oak RV Park, who gave a very compelling account of the flood at R279.

At some point late in that interview, Lorena mentioned that she also owned a restaurant on-site which was still standing on higher ground (at entrance to RV park), but obviously was going to be closed for a while -- and she worried long-term, not just for her & her husband (in terms of paying their bills), but for her restaurant employees who live paycheck-to-paycheck & depend on daily tips.

As it turns out: Julian Ryan, the young father at R142 -- who bled to death after breaking a window to escape his mobile home -- was one of her employees. He'd closed & cleaned-up with her on the night of July 3rd, leaving around 1:00 am. She didn't know of his fate when she gave R279 interview, and just seemed crushed in later interviews.

160 is a crazy amount , WTF?

Were all these people camping on the banks of the river?

Damn. Mother Nature is really pissed.

Lord giveth and Lord taketh.

Oh well...

🎵You Take the Good, You Take the Bad, and there you have, the Facts of Life, the Facts of Life🎵

You don't need religion to explain it...just Alan Thicke & Gloria Loring.

^ Edna Garrett would have gotten those girls to higher ground!

HA! I hadn't even thought about it, but there actually WAS a first-season FOL episode about a flood. Headmaster John Lawlor got Blair & Tootie out of the barn on Blair's horse -- and Blair became infatuated with him. (bonus points if you know that horses' name!)

The horse’s name was Natalie ^^

^^ Close...in a manner of speaking.

What would Mindy Cohn do?

I don't know why everyone is so upset about these floods killing childen. If these angry people were half as concerned when gunmen shoots kids in school, it would be a much better world. However, we can cry and complain about the weather, but we cannot do anything about gun control which kills more people than all the weather emergencies combined?

What's wrong with this picture?

She'd probably go vacay on the Beekman Bros farm. That's where she seems to retreat to -- she was there over July 4th weekend (according to her IG).

[quote] What would Mindy Cohn do?

Float

Hope Floats.

It's ridiculous that any officials are still calling it a "rescue mission" -- that there might still be live survivors trapped in the debris, four days later. It's a fucking recovery mission of DEAD bodies...which is HORRIFIC...but they just won't SAY it because, ya' know...Christian-crap.

Earthquake survivors have lasted a week or more in rubble, r436

Yeah, but they weren't submerged under water for periods, Contrarian R437.

Deb Messing is looking, so there may be some hope yet.

Holy shit.

The remnants of Hurricane Helene dropped the equivalent of 2 years' worth of Niagara Falls volume onto the U.S.

Wow, Greg Abbott is a ghoul. But Texas keeps voting for him, so...

[quote] The Republican governor, who took a helicopter tour of the disaster zone, dismissed a question about who was to blame for the deaths, saying, “That’s the word choice of losers.”

[quote]“Every football team makes mistakes,” he said. “The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who’s to blame. The championship teams are the ones who say, ‘Don’t worry about it, man, we got this. We’re going to make sure that we go score again and we’re going to win this game.’ The way winners talk is not to point fingers.”

R413 I reading about stories like that. It’s like they smell it or something.

@R442 - riiiiight, Mr. Abbott… tell that to California and Governor Newsom.

A flood that probably killed over 300 people including many children is like a football game? Huh?

I guess everything could be compared to football. The Nazis killing those Jews is just like a football game where you lose the game in the final 5 minutes.

mixed-up-metaphors — "flood the zone..."

10 commandments posted in classrooms

but the kiddie-camps flash-flood sirens aint tested...

Can't believe Abbott said that. Well, I can, but Jesus, that's got to be one of the worst disaster-related lines since, "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie" by Dubya during Katrina.

There is no game left here to fight. 300 people are probably dead. You absolutely should be figuring out what went wrong and how the probability of this happening again can be significantly decreased. No "rah, rah, go team!" to be found with this. I can't get the analogy to work, but even if one forces it, the game has already been lost.

If a Governor in my home state (Massachusetts) were to spout that football-analogy crap after a shocking catastrophe with 200+ lives lost and such clear evidence of compounded human error... he'd be stomped in the next election. Texas gets the leadership they want, I guess. Pathetic.

There was a Texan insult lobbed at Dubya Bush a quarter century ago... 'all hat, no cattle." Same could be said of empty-suit leadership like Abbott's. Yet they keep re-electing him.

(.. and I know there are only officially 111 lives lost so far, but apparently there are still 170 missing and it's been 5 days. So likely the total death count is at least 150 and very likely in excess of 200)

This prick's football analogy speaks to SICK state of the human condition.

I work with a fucking fake bitch from Texas- who uses the "FAITH AND FAMILY" line all of the time .

Are native Texans likelier to be trashy sociopaths like Floridians (likelier, I know its not all)

How do people sleep at night after using such a FUCKED up comparison to the loss of human life.

We are depraved.

Guadalupe’s Revenge.

There are some serious Trump/MAGA lovers right here on DL. I rightly referred to the ‘’Trump Flood’’ in Texas and was promptly banned for three days!

R454 I started a stupid baby bird thread and said the birds went MAGA and was banned for 24 hrs a few days ago

How do you know the reason you've been banned? I've had a few, but am not sure why.

Didn't some 200 or so people die in Texas a few years ago when there was the ice storm and people had no electricity for a week? Why would they care if a couple hundred died in a flood?

Shithole state-just pray and it'll be fine. They have the leadership they deserve, Roller Nazi, Cancun Cruz, and corrupt AF Ken Paxton.

Dear God what is HAPPENIIING?!

Saw that on the news r458. Let the comparisons flow

*And* it's hurricane season!

R456- I had just posted that- and NOTHING else-- One person accused of my story being AI... So it was probably the AI accusation, the MAGA reference.. (It was about these baby birds being murdered by some random bird in a nest underneath my porch) It was so random.

The MAGA reference for sure r461.

The Christian loons who claim that their loved one is better off "in the arms of Jesus" are no different than radical Muslim parents who are proud that their son died in some jihadist terrorist act.

Same shit, different pile.

R463- Yeah man-- That one set of parents over the weekend (or Monday) almost sounded celebratory-- We are a lost species.

It keep sensing that everything is at lightspeed too.. Just so much happening, all bad, and way too fast,

(I feel like I did not even understand what the world REALLY was until 2016- which is when I turned 37)

I feel very lucky that I lived in some deluded state for my life and that I enjoyed up through(most) of my 30's ( minus 9/11 and other tragedies) of course..

[quote]If a Governor in my home state (Massachusetts) were to spout that football-analogy crap after a shocking catastrophe with 200+ lives lost and such clear evidence of compounded human error... he'd be stomped in the next election.

And it’s bullshit anyway because we all know if Biden or Kamala were president right now, Abbott and every Rethug between here and Timbuktu would be screaming for their resignation, not to mention their impeachment.

R464 I've seen a couple of different MAGAts being interviewed (having missing relatives, destroyed homes, etc.) saying how great this flood was because the community came together, Jesus, etc.

These people are nuts and have no clue that their government has abandoned them.

Yep, r486 & r464. These people are no better than nutcase Muslims who brag about their son dying a martyr and having virgins waiting for him in heaven after he blew himself up for Isis etc...In fact, they're a bit worse imo as they have better access to education and other resources compared to some peasant in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The world is doomed with such people in it, and ut seems to me that their numbers are increasing. I'd have hoped that we'd be rid of such lunatic thinking in 2025, but, here we are.

I think that Abbot statement with the football analogy is as stupid as it comes, and I hope some future opponent has that already cued up with pictures of dead children plucked from tree branches to play non-stop in the next Texan gubernatorial race.

Dead children to "own the libs"

Texas voted for this. Overwhelmingly. So too bad. Let them drown.

Our rightwing troll seems to have decided to drool all over this thread. I’m not set to asbestos eyeballs any virtually all the posts critical of Drumpf and his MAGA cult are greyed.

I wonder how many attack socks fatsnout has? Must be a lot. Sad creature.

Look at ziono crazy at r467 trying to work Islamophobia into the thread. Totally shameless! 👏

Next the Meghan haters will give it a whirl.

Don't give the old biddies any ideas r472.

Has Meghan shown up for any photo ops yet?

Apparently Ruidoso, NM is seeing flash floods too.

Are the Quarter Horses saved?^^

No one of any consequence will pay for the massive fuck up. The powers to be will spew the key words in their platitudes ( God, strength, prayer, co-operation,etc) and will be hailed as truly concerned and real leaders. If anyone gets fired, it will be a lower ranked flunky.

Sooo, two days before the flood, Texas state officials signed off on Camp Mystic’s emergency evacuation plan, per link at r458

And Comfort Texas, southeast of Kerrville had an even higher surge, 27 ft but no deaths thanks to warning sirens installed after a 1987 flood.

We can all sleep a bit easier tonight knowing Trump/cabinet and the republicans don't give a shit about dead little girls.

A face collage should be assembled of all the victims of the Trump Flood and sent to the criminal president along with Maurice Chevalier singing ‘’Thank heaven for little girls’’

Since she's so prone to gimmicky outfits, perhaps Kristi will wear scuba gear if she visits the site.

Maybe Mz Noem will dress up as a cute dead 8yo good white christian camper girl.

‘’They’ll get over it…’’

Trump Admin SCRAMBLES ON TV after Bombshell Report...

Dump supposed to visit Texas Friday-reportedly with the ‘’Wife’’???. Why would dump want to view the very tragedy he caused-‘’ Trump Flood’’ over 200 dead.

^ I look forward to the Slovenian Whore's flood outfit and 4" 👠👠.

Might be a good time to list him as one of the missing (if you know what I mean).

The adult victim’s basically voted for this to happen. We Are Texas! Vote Trump!

The risk of severe flooding at Camp Mystic was even greater than FEMA hazard maps indicated.

They love this shit, God and floods and rainbows. Noem’s Ark.

RICH, WHITE little girls, R480.

[quote] Noem’s Ark.

She shoots the animals two by two

The infrastructure bill that Biden and Democrats passed provided the funds to build a siren alert system in the area, but they declined it because it was from Biden.

Kerr County did eventually take the $10 million in federal funding to improve infrastructure (so it wouldn't go to a blue state). Most of it went toward upgrading the Kerr County Sherriff's Dept communication system, not a dime toward flood warning system.

[quote]The infrastructure bill that Biden and Democrats passed provided the funds to build a siren alert system in the area, but they declined it because it was from Biden.

Maybe some Democrat should be all over Fox News pointing this out. Where’s Hakeem Jeffries?

[quote]Maybe some Democrat should be all over Fox News pointing this out.

How much time does FOX give to Democrats, r496?

R458 The footage of the recent flooding in New Mexico may have been smaller area-wise, but the ferocity of the river and the amount of debris it was pushing were truly terrifying. I doubt anyone could have survived being carried along for 20 miles in that deluge.

I heard a geophysicist attribute the current confluence of floods, weather anomalies, increased earthquake and volcanic activity, to the solar maximum that is now occurring - peak sunspot and coronal mass ejections - and that is likely to continue and intensify through July & August. Accompanied by electronic and communication disturbances, as well as even outbreaks of social unrest. Summer o' Fun!

I just saw that video of the lady explaining the chicanery that went on with the money.

Oh, well, they got just what they wanted. Let the sheriffs department look for all those missing people. They have the resources, don’t they?

Fuck em all.

Flash flooding warning in Tokyo.

As R479 pointed out, the town of Comfort (in Kendall County) had a pair of warning sirens linked to river gauges (and a manual button), thanks in part to Assistant Fire Chief Danny Morales.

[quote]Morales said they cobbled together money from a grant, from the county commission, the department’s own budget and from the local electric utility, which also donated a siren pole. They also got help installing the flood sensor gauge in the creek. The price tag with all the donated materials and the costs the department fronted was somewhere around $50,000 to $60,000 or “maybe a little more,” Morales said.

The article notes that Kerr County would require a much larger system, costing an estimated $1 Million (did they get that bid from Motorola?), but still....the point is that Comfort made it a priority & figured how to get it done.

[quote]How much time does FOX give to Democrats, [R496]?

Excuse me...

And, r502? Keep going.

FOX gives time to Democrats who want to appear on there. All of them are afraid to except Buttigieg who goes on regularly.

They’re not afraid to, R504, most of them just feel it’s too much of a biased org with a heavily stacked deck and hit-job intentions. Too many “have you stopped kicking puppies yet?” kinds of questions get asked of Dems.

Pete has more talent than most in this area, as a communicator… most politicians don’t.

Governors Newsom, Shapiro, and Wes Moore also go on. Not as frequently or as effectively as Pete.

Pete is effective at Fox because he is so well prepared, so much better than the hosts who are armed only with gotcha questions. He gives a measured and logical response and they have nothing to say.

So the daughter of the offensive coordinator from Trinity University was one of the victims.

Have they mentioned names of other victims?

[quote]Have they mentioned names of other victims?

One was named Jesus Saves.

…and then Dr. Phil showed up!

[quote]I'm the "terrible manager" above that gave my employee some time off while I did his work this week.

R415, it is quite telling that the only person here who used the words "terrible manager" to describe you ... is you.

"texas flood" is stevie ray vaughn’s biggest hit

while bodies keep piling up, these shameless mofos call reporters "evil" and "bad" for asking if the prevention measures were perfect — or not...

r508 a friend of a friend who works at UT Health San Antonio said a colleague lost two daughters

Today’s NYT has a front page story about how all of FEMAs contractors were fired so there’s no one to answer the calls of the desperate people affected by the flood

It's so predictable that when these tragedies happen in red states, the first thing out of the mouths of politicians is " Let's not politicize this," but, if it should happen in a blue state, they are the first to blame the libs.

george bush doesn't care....

The lawsuits stemming from this disaster are going to be epic.

I saw on Mexican tv that there were waiting lists to get into this death-trap camp.

Some reports that Texas might be underreporting the number of missing by hundreds.

Which one of these photos makes me look like I’m on speed?

"Kerr county sheriff changes his mind about Mexicans after they save the lives of his daughter and grandkids"

R521 Green Card, Schmeen Card. Steven Miller don't care. Send the fuckers to South Sudan.

R513, did that colleague vote for Trump? If so, we don't care.

It really does seem as if no one knows what they are doing any more. It’s terrifying to think that a camp can be in business 100 years in an area that frequently floods, yet seemingly give no thought to flood safety issues.

Where were the insurers? Don’t they inspect facilities? Why did they insure this death trap?

One woman who lost her home, being questioned whether she would rebuild, matter-of-factly stated, Oh, no one here has insurance. They tithe and put their faith in the Lord.

And hurricane season is just beginning

Well, the Lord did punish these MAGATS, R525. Praise to the Lord.

R517 it shows that it was an anti-maga satanic ritual. I pray for the victims and their parents who are now free of child support. #Amen

It's kind of fascinating to see the differences in responses to this tragedy vs. the California wildfires

I really would have thought a camp housing daughters of the rich and powerful would have take better care.

R521 They're one of the rare good ones. Right?

170 still missing. Where are they? That's a lot of bodies.

Some of the bodies won't be recovered for quite some time.

...if at all.

R515, these people didn't hesitate to blame Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass, and "wokeness" for the LA fires

More rain today... Do you think the 160+ still missing will be found alive?

R533 You would think that in the Texas heat, the cadaver dogs, and anyone else with a nose, would have no trouble locating the bodies.

Maybe they were raptured?

Seeing videos and photos of so much heavy debris of houses, trees, and vehicles piled up along river beds that make it easier to understand why they are having great difficulty searching for human remains within and under it all.

[quote]I really would have thought a camp housing daughters of the rich and powerful would have take better care.

Whatever for?

Oh yes my children-I do remember the Great Trump Flood of Texas in 25…

More proof that these are not serious people.