National pride in the U.S. has declined sharply, Gallup survey finds

It's almost like people aren't okay with authoritarianism and fascism.

[quote] Nearly 9 in 10 Republicans in a 2024 SSRS poll said they believed patriotism has a positive impact on the United States, with Democrats more divided: 45% said patriotism had a positive impact on the country, while 37% said it was negative.

More than just how they personally feel about the U.S., over a third of Democrats believe that patriotism itself is a negative thing.

Hmmm. Wonder why this happened.

No idea…

Yes, r2. Any thinking person realizes it can be dangerous when blind.

I guess you'd have to define what it means to be "American" in the year 2025. But I feel like I am in morning. I don't have the energy to celebrate 4th of July.

Mourning...not morning. Sorry.

I am NOT celebrating this bitch-ass country's birthday. Fucking shithole.

It is a very fucked up Fourth.

Because America has turned into a shithole with jackbooted thugs running rampant.

I haven't really thought about it, but it seems my partner and I are doing nothing to celebrate July 4th. It doesn't feel like my country anymore.

For me, anyway, the Fourth of July, with its patriotic songs and fireworks displays, is going to feel like an empty spectacle this year. Happy Fourth! Enjoy the irony!

I'm certainly not celebrating. Fuck this dumb fuck country and the racist cunts running amok.

I refuse to put up any flag except for Memorial Day.

Other than that, all I feel is shame and embarrassment.

They are doubling and tripling down on the “love it or leave it” shit.

After that Zelenskyy press conference where Trump and ilk bullied him? I am ashamed of my country.

I lost any pride I had in being American when I was stationed in W. Germany.

When people (maybe I should say "MAGAts") say to me, "This is the best country in the world!" I ask them, "How many other countries have you lived in?" Then I start to rattle off all the things Germany has that we don't have here, and mention that I was stationed there when I was in the Army (they seem to respect that). They listen to the list, and generally, we have an interesting conversation and they learn something.

I know, I know -- with my mouth, I'm lucky to have lived this long.

What R14 said. The Zelenskyy Oval Office thing was astounding.

It’s honestly embarrassing to be American and have that asswipe as our president. A laughing stock of the whole world

Deport JD Vance to Whiteystan and maybe we can talk “happy 4th”.

It’s our anniversary. We’re celebrating that.

Leann Rimes is the headliner for the Boston Pops on the Esplanade tomorrow. We’ll watch to see if her teeth stay in.

I will feel pride again when the orange anus passes away.

This is nothing new. Liberals have always been self-loathing Americans.

During Hollywood's "Golden Age" (1930s-1960s) when it was run by conservatives, there was a lot of patriotism and respect for authority that became rarer afterward and practically nonexistent post-2000.

When liberals took control of the U.S. entertainment industry in the late 1960s (aka "The New Hollywood") they started doing anti-America messaging in films/TV, getting progressively worse in the last 20 years or so, as Hollywood shifted farther and farther left (i.e. woke). Just compare the movies/shows made before and after 1967.

In recent years, social media has made it very evident that liberals hate the USA and are not ashamed to admit it online, which just works against them and they're too stupid to realize.

R15 Germany doesn't have free speech. Like the U.K. it has long descended into an authoritarian system of government, embracing more a spirit of socialism than representative democracy.

They're jailing people who did nothing but post dissenting opinions on social media, criticizing the government's policies and disagreeing with woke/transgender ideology.

This is the type of government that Democrats tried to install during Biden's term and were hoping, in fact expecting, to continue with Kamala. Thank God she didn't win!

I have learned that Democrats project a lot. They accuse Trump of being authoritarian, but they were the ones acting like it the past four years.

They accuse Trump of wanting to be king, but they were the ones who couldn't wait to crown Kamala queen (even calling her that) and continue their socialist takeover.

They accuse Republicans of being Nazis, but they're the ones physically attacking people who don't vote like them and encouraging/supporting antisemitism.

And the list goes on and on...

^^^ Are you nuts?

WTF are you talking about, (R21)? We are "We the people..." We're supposed to be the authority. We're the ones who are supposed to be running this shit through representation. Polls showed overwhelming disapproval for the Big Bogus Bill, yet they passed it anyway! Now what? Resist the licking of boots, man!

Sorry I can't help to make you all feel better about today's events, guys. I can offer you a laugh by suggesting you go to YT for another hilarious viewing of squeaky military tanks rolling through empty streets with virtually no crowd. Might make you chuckle again at least.

Liberals care passionately about the Bill of Rights and what it's supposed to mean to and for every US citizen. Liberals don't hate America. Liberals hate American hypocrisy, and they work to make sure that the nation lives up to its promise. FOR EVERYONE! Take your dumb ass to Google and search for Maya Angelou's "On The Pulse of Morning." Read it, dumb-dumb. Then, read it again!

[quote] The dramatic decline was largely driven by Democrats

It may not be a change in attitude as much as it is that people are more willing to declare how they feel. The separation between the parties regarding patriotism has been something that’s been talked about my whole adult life, going back to Reagan/Bush.

R21 thinks MAGA respects authority. It's a fucking cult and they'd die for their orange jesus.

It’s a horrid place to live

“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” Samuel Johnson

As a Canadian I grew up sort of envying the United States. I haven't felt that way in a very long time. Now, I just feel sorry for Americans-most of whom are amazing people who deserve so much better than this.

Thank you, r27!

Ever notice Trumpers love to site looting as uniquely a Democratic thing?

I'd say Looter-in-Chief Trump and his violent mob tried to pull-off the worst act of looting ever on J/6.

The U.S. has always been drunk on patriotism. At 58%, they are still due for a great deal of sobering up and a more realistic and lower number.

There are two different parades forming up near me today

The first parade is full of proud happy Americans bullish on their future and their country now that they are in power and own the govt.

The second parade is full of sad people with signs about the end of the world no more democracy and how bad America is.

I wonder which parade most Americas will want to join in?

I couldn't find OP's direct link to the Gallop poll posted so here it is. It's from June 30th 2025.

I'm surprised it's 58%.

Look at the Republican numbers. Even in Democratic presidencies, it’s in the 90s. I saw this poll (unsourced) in Fox News at the gym, and they spun it as being up from 2024 and Democrats as unpatriotic.

This, and Christian faith, are their Achilles’ heel. Smart Democrats would relentlessly paint Republicans as anti-American and anti-Christian. There is plenty of evidence. But we get pulled in to defense mode and accept their characterization. Republicans pat themselves on the back for their virtue and patriotism, when their actions show the opposite.

More:

58% of us will be moving into alligator alcatraz or a similar retirement community soon.

[quote]National pride in the U.S. has declined sharply

What the hell do we have to be proud of in 2025?

I thought that rah rah patriotic shit was stupid even when I was a little kid. The insane gun fetish precludes this country from ever being great.

R19 I'm a big Leann Rimes fan. I dont get the teeth falling out joke.

The words “Rimes” and “teeth” typed in the Google box, R40, will increaseth your understanding.

Clearly you’re not that big of a fan.

This was a big thing on Fox yesterday (I was forced to see it at the gym) - they were crowing and boasting and talking about "a new spirit of optimism" etc. It's difficult for me to be patriotic when my country's President is literally saying "I hate Democrats" (as he did in Iowa yesterday).

If you criticize President Trump, YOU HATE AMERICA AND NEED TO LEAVE!

We Came "this close" to losing the war in 1776

There’s an American woman I follow on Instagram who wrote a post today addressed to all the MAGAs who are chortling over the concentration camps and alligators in Florida and she points out that the rise of fascism in Germany resulted in concentration camps full of Jews, gays, government dissidents and more which left the ensuing war to be fought by the sons of all those upstanding white, Christian loyalists who idolized their leader and between 3.5 million to 4 million of those kids, say18-24 years old, died. The ones in the camps died too. Her point being that nobody wins. MAGAs think they’re winning now but their kids, even if there’s no war, will suffer from dirtier air, water pollution, contaminated food, fewer industry safety regulations all which benefit corporations not the general public.

R21 Fuck off you trash and don’t ever question my patriotism. If you think the 1950s were better than now I invite you to develop polio, scarlet fever, and measles. Spewing idiot.

I blocked that fucker a few threads ago. Glad I did. Fuck off R21.

I went to an event today that culminated in the reading of the entire declaration of independence - they did it brilliantly - the entire declaration had been snipped into individual sentences, those were printed in large font and then plasticized. The audience volunteered to read - there were about 50 volunteers and they were separated out into lines to facilitate quick transitions.

It was a non-partisan event, although I suspect it was about 75% Democrats. It was shocking to read the abuses of the king in 1776 and to realize how many of them were being perpetrated on the American people by the current president. It's worthwhile to reread the Declaration if only for that - to understand that our protests against Trump's policies are not mere partisanship, but hearken back to our actual raison d'etre as a nation.

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation. We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only. He has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People. He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries. He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance. He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power. He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences: For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People. He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People. Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native Justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

America is on its way to being the next Nazi Germany. It’s already built its Alligator Auchewitz

Honestly, the more I know about the shit we've done and are currently doing in the world (and at home), and about who runs the place and always has, the less great I feel about it.

And then there's this feeling of a pervasive, ever-deepening grimy decline of the stuff that was good.

It's a long read but thank you Menluvinguy

Why would anyone have natural pride for a country that voted for its own decline?