The awful bill passing may be the thing that deplorables deserve

How so?

Please describe, so we can let the red states know.

Why don't you read the bill you uninformed snarky twat @ R1 and report back.

For r1

That's the point of this entire exercise in futility: to inflict pain on the poor. The poor are the ones keeping the USA from the grestnesz it deserves.

One might presume, R1, that red state voters (by definition, voters who live in a state who gave most, if not all, of their electoral votes to on DJT) voted as they did so with the expectation that the Trump administration would somehow create great benefit to them. However, unless they are in the 1% of the wealthiest among us, they will have the double ignominy of being on the short end of the legislative stick, as it were, and having voted for said stick.

We should tell them that. Would you mind at your next meeting if the “Temporarily Embarrassed 99%”, R1?

Well, as a liberal, gay, blue state resident with a low income, I'll be suffering too!!!

That'll teach'em!

As a 'comfortable' resident of a blue state, maybe the only joy I will experience until 2028 is watching poor white people in red states suffer.

[quote] Why don't you read the bill you uninformed snarky twat @ [R1] and report back.

You brought it up.

You sound like a MAGA who says, 'Do your own research'

The Medicaid cuts go into effect 1/1/27 so they won’t even know until after the midterms. Republicans are heartless.

Barbaric Bastardly Bill

At least 60% of people in nursing homes are on Medicaid, let's see how the magaturds react when Meemaw & Peepaw get dumped on their front porch.

But God wanted them to vote against their own best interests, it’s called humility.

It's going to affect all of us. Higher taxes, more homeless, probably a spike in suicides. The economy will get even worse, consumer spending will be nil. Grim times ahead.

[quote] That's the point of this entire exercise in futility: to inflict pain on the poor. The poor are the ones keeping the USA from the grestnesz it deserves.

R4 A good con man knows what his marks want to hear most so they won’t realize or even care that they’re also being taken.

Mitt Romney, in contrast, called poor people “The Takers” during his 2012 presidential campaign, and look what happened to him.

Trump may be an intellectual moron, but he’s probably the greatest con man who ever lived.

Most of it won't take effect until 2027 which means the moronic Deplorables will blame it on the newly elected Democratic congress. Assuming we have a real election and Democrats outperform as the opposition party as is normally expected in a midterm. But of course we might not even get a real election. Either way I'm sure this was intentional.

I think this woman does an amazing job breaking down Trump followers.

[quote]Trump doesn’t offer policy, he offers identity.

[quote]He offers revenge, not solutions.

Take a listen. It’s a good breakdown.

Second part of above t16.

Meh. America is getting what it deserves.

I think it makes it less clear to the public what the changes to Medicaid are when all savings are referred to as just cuts.

[quote] The cuts in the bill come from several different provisions, but the lion’s share of Medicaid savings will come from two changes.

[quote]One would establish a new, strict national work requirement for certain Medicaid beneficiaries ages 19 to 64. It would require childless adults without disabilities and parents of children older than 14 to work, volunteer or attend school for at least 80 hours a month to keep their insurance coverage, unless they qualify for an exception.

[quote]Current law prohibits basing Medicaid eligibility on work requirements or work reporting rules, according to KFF.

[quoteThe new work requirement in the bill won’t kick in until 2026. It is projected to save about $325 billion over a decade, the CBO said.

I’m not sure if the public knows that a big chunk of what is referred to as cuts is the adoption of the work requirement.

Let the people get what they voted for.

Let's see how/if the democrats pull it together for the midterms. This issue alone should mobilize people, but i'm not optimistic.

Cutting Medicaid funding will have no effect on fraud or abuse and probably not on waste. There will just be less money to steal or waste.

They’ll suffer, but “owning the libs” is more important.

20 of these states will lose billions in Biden-era programs for renewable energy (according to the Bezos rag this morning). Their lapdogs in Congress know it, and have confessed it's less important than not pissing off Trump by insisting the funding continues.

Maybe but the Repubs are good at putting all kinds of stuff in these bills to appeal to their "base." They'll focus on no tax on tips and overtime even though that's pretty limited and ends in three years. Or all the $ going to ICE. Meanwhile the 1% will get huge increases.

I volunteer in food bank in a blue state. The implications of this legislation are very disturbing. The community service agency where the food bank is housed is already cutting back services.

So many of the "hungry" clients of the food bank .... are good folk, many with jobs, people with serious health issues. Cutting their food? Ah the good Christian MAGA party cutting food from the hungry to give more money to the super rich and in doing so raise our national debt to catastrophic levels. Good job MAGA.

The bamboozle continues. Are the Medicaid cuts actually in dollars, or hoped for reductions due to new work requirements?

I'm equally upset about them killing clean energy incentives. Their priorities are so backwards thinking.

And people will not be fooled by the delay. Trump lost the midterms in his first term for similar reasons.

[quote]I'm equally upset about them killing clean energy incentives. Their priorities are so backwards thinking.

It really is the most regressive administration in modern history in terms of energy, the environment, health, trade and so much more. It will take decades for America to recover once Trump is gone.

The majority of people I know on Medicaid have like 14 kids so I’m guessing this won’t hurt them and they will keep voting Red!

I may be starving, but at least there won't no more of them trans babies!

Even though many of the provisions in this monstrosity of a bill won't kick in until 2027, the impact is already being felt (for example, R25). Senator Langford, one of the few Republicans around worthy of a listen, tried to claim that the bill is merely going to move Medicaid recipients to employment-provided health insurance, a laughable remark were it not for the cruelty it represents. It is already so difficult to get Medicaid that adding work requirements is merely going to slash the rolls of recipients... who, as disabled/sick/very young/old people, can't work. The impact from this bill is pretty simple: people who get sick or injured will present at the ER where they must be treated. Rural hospitals will feel the pinch first, and they will shut down as they go bankrupt, leaving people with even the best insurance with no place to seek treatment. I'm bracing for the stories of farm accidents in which a hand is lopped off and even though they find it, it takes too long to get the victim to a hospital because the nearest open facility is 500+ miles and a $25,000 medivac helicopter ride away and so the best they can hope for is that they don't bleed out as they speed down the interstate.

And I'll be among the first to tell them this is what they voted for; we told them, in clear, small words easily understood by even the most stupid among them, and it was more important to own the libs that it was to keep their hands. I wonder what kind of work they'll do for 80 hours a month to keep their piss-poor medicaid? Maybe an entrepreneur will invent a toilet bowl brush-shaped prosthetic hand.

"The bill sucks but I hate the other guys so much I'm going to vote for it and let my constituents deal with the consquences."

Vance is such a tone deaf, idiotic loser.

No wonder he’s jammed up Thiel’s ass. Thiel is the only person who can stand him.

You really think it’s all the red state’s fault and no blame falls on Kamala for completely fucking up, losing the blue wall and even allowing Trump to win the popular vote? 🤣

“If Harris isn’t the nominee black and brown women are going to blow this thing up!!”

Yeah, that worked out. And don’t mention me saying that she really won. Those guys are as nutty as the Trump cult.

Same old tired Rethug ruse they've used since the 80s. And the hillbillies always fall for it.

ROOST, CHICKENS! ROOST I SAY!

This is going to affect all of us. Not just MAGAs, not just "Red states" (that also include a lot of Blue voters). Not really something to feel good about. Not getting the gloating. If you live in the US this will affect you too unless your the 1%.

No one is feeling “good” about it.

We are feeling schadenfreude. There’s a difference.

“The worse, the better.” - Lenin

Next they will focus on "social issues". No federal right to gay marriage bitches!

R39 AND... what's also not fully appreciated: given the huge increase in funding for ICE, it now becomes the highest funded law enforcement agency in our history. All those masked, anonymous thugs that are grabbing folks, both immigrants and citizens, off the streets without telling them why, or giving them due process... is going to be increased more than 10%..

We are losing liberties and living in a growing police state. That's not hyperbole.

^^^ sorry, more than 100%

r40 I hope I live to see this regime's Nuremberg trials.

R42 From your lips to A.I.'s ears.

Jaydene Maybelline is such a liar: not a single GOP House member was "undecided" before Jeffries started his delaying tactic.

Has Elon commented? 🙄

[quote] what's also not fully appreciated: given the huge increase in funding for ICE, it now becomes the highest funded law enforcement agency in our history.

Well, they have the most people to apprehend and process compared to other agencies, and it’s presumably a historically high number.

The small town where my mother lives will likely lose its ONE hospital as a direct result of this bill. Where are the elderly people supposed to go if they're having an emergency?

Oh right, J.D. Vance wants them to die.

I’m excited about the bill. My taxes go down and MAGA pays with less healthcare and fewer jobs because the bill kills Biden’s clean energy investments in red states

At my age I my not live to see it but it would be a darn shame if Trump leaves office a very popular president and people are still talking bout carving his face into some mountain with other great presidents.

I don’t think this will happen but then I was absolutely sure Trump would never be president the first or second time that he won. I may not be the best forecaster of the future..

What's the big deal?

R46 Your thinking is why we have lost the American republic.

All immigrants need to apprehended? So you are including Musk? Or just the 15 million undocumented? Your hope is to "apprehend" all 15 million, including the millions of farmworkers why work to put food in your hands?

And the FBI "monitors" if not apprehends all Americans... 330 million.

But if you believe the way you apparently do, nothing I can say can change your mind.

This bill hurts the whole country in terms of its future. . And a lot of poor (especially blacks) vote Democrat. I don't get how anyone can get joy from this even in the I immediate harm it does to some bad people. The blast radius is just too big to be laughing.

I love this woman's account on Tiktok, (She's a US History teacher) where she talks about current events.

She recently started a new series to talk about what happened the last time, "Power mattered more than principle," "democratic systems stopped reflecting the will of the people," votes and laws no longer mattered, and Supreme Court, wasn't doing what it was supposed to.

It's chilling.

[quote] All immigrants need to apprehended?

That’s an odd question. The people ICE has to apprehend are the people they are tasked with apprehending under existing law. Same as other law enforcement agencies have their own defined set of people that they are tasked with appending and processing.

[quote]We are feeling schadenfreude. There’s a difference.

No there isn't. You're gloating over something that's going to cause a lot of harm to a lot of people who didn't vote for this. It's nasty and unnecessary, and can hardly be called "pointless bitchery."

One can feel sorry for the people whom this negativity affects while relishing the suffering of the people who voted for it.

For example

I feel SORRY for the people being deported

I do NOT feel sorry for their Trump-voting relatives.

[quote] One can feel sorry for the people whom this negativity affects while relishing the suffering of the people who voted for it.

That’s seems like when an interest in politics has crossed over into mental illness, doesn’t it?

China wins!

Trump and the GOP are handing 21st century dominance to China

It stopped being about politics a long time ago, R57. This is about morality. Please do try and keep up, dear.

R54 That you misread or misunderstand it, is all you need to know about this dark and endtime of our republic.

ICE is tasked with apprehending UNDOCUMENTED immigrants.

Get it now?

[quote] ICE is tasked with apprehending UNDOCUMENTED immigrants.

It was already stated that the people who ICE has to apprehend are the people they are tasked with apprehending under existing law.

It's bizarre that you think laughing at people suffering is "moral," R59.

The bill could still be defeated - by Republicans.

MAGAts will suffer, but will they ever admit the error of their ways? Doubtful, so I hope they die and die quickly (which is the Republican plan for health insurance).

The rest of us don't deserve this, so GTFO with your concern lectures.

Existing law does not give permission for ICE to grab and hold immigrants who are here legally, not to take CITIZENS off the street and detain them. They are doing this.

In addition, ICE and Homeland Security are deporting immigrants with no hearing, not due process. Also not allowed by existing law.

"Existing law" has nothing to do with what is happening. It is insane to pretend it does.

[quote] "Existing law" has nothing to do with what is happening.

The context was that the number of people who they are responsible for handling under existing law is a very large number and so it not unexpected that there is large budget compared to other law enforcement agencies.

All I know is that the dollar is for SHIT, right now. I have never seen it so weak as it is. And it's getting worse every single day. I have been watching it for the last month. About six months ago $1 almost equaled 1 euro. It was really close. No just about $1.18 equals one Euro. That might not see like much but something that was 1000 euros six months ago was about $1030, now it's $1180 - $150 more. It's crazy. And the 90 day tariff pause with the EU expires July 9th. I am thinking of divesting my 401k this coming week just before another possible collapse of the market and invest when it's down in the gutter again. But ever since the dollar was downgraded, it has been horrible. So prices will go up for Americans and their money to purchase it will be weak.

Medicaid? Why go after Medicaid?! And $800 Billion at that.

R66 I understand you are trying to make all this reasonable. God bless ya. But it simple is not.

Why, given our huge and catastrophic deficit, are we going keep FBI and CIA funding flat, and INCREASE ICR funding by 120% "Existing law" does not add people agencies are responsible for.

R69, a weaker dollar makes our exports cheaper to buy and so should increase sales. It also makes imports more expensive, acting like a tariff increase would to reduce the purchasing of foreign goods.

One of my other close friend’s sister deleted from social media over political posts about the bill and it’s funny because I haven’t heard from her in years and to be honest…neither has her sister. 💅🏻

The MAGTards will suffer - but they'll still vote Republican and against their economic interests and blame Democrats for their plight.

Meanwhile our teetering health care system will be finally and permanently bankrupt and destroyed, along with the US economy as we ramp up the terrorization and elimination of a key US labor demographic (immigrants). We already know farm labor has disappeared.

Republicans have no solutions for any of their grievances - nobody's offering up (or even mentioning) immigration reform, health care reform or tax reform, or anything to address the deficit or the removal of so many people so quickly from the labor force. They're just here for performative cruelty (including the TACO tariffs) and to loot the treasury, and they don't even have to hide it. If Democrats win in 2028 they'll have to clean up this mess per usual, and I'm not sure they even want to deal with any of this.

We had a good run, USA.

The ICE budget will now be bigger than FBI, DEA, US Bureau of Prisons, and other fed law enforcement agencies COMBINED. It will be larger than the military budgets of 95% of countries in the world. We are all in denial about what just happened today in Congress.

Fire up the ovens, KKKristi!

[quote]All I know is that the dollar is for SHIT, right now

Yep:

"The greenback is down more than 7% this year and Morgan Stanley predicts it could fall another 10%. A weaker dollar could make US exports more competitive, boosting Trump’s plan to rebalance US trade, but makes imports more expensive, adding to the sting of tariffs.

The question ahead is whether the dollar doesn’t just lose its value, but its role at the center of the global financial system."

[quote]It's bizarre that you think laughing at people suffering is "moral," [R59].

They’re getting what they voted for.

[quote] The question ahead is whether the dollar doesn’t just lose its value, but its role at the center of the global financial system.

That's fine, we'll be replacing it with Trump™️ cryptocurrency.

The Fucking Social Security Administration sent me an email celebrating the passage of the bill.

[quote] Social Security Applauds Passage of Legislation Providing Historic Tax Relief for Seniors

[quote] The Social Security Administration (SSA) is celebrating the passage of the One Big, Beautiful Bill, a landmark piece of legislation that delivers long-awaited tax relief to millions of older Americans.

[quote] The bill ensures that nearly 90% of Social Security beneficiaries will no longer pay federal income taxes on their benefits, providing meaningful and immediate relief to seniors who have spent a lifetime contributing to our nation's economy.

“[quote] This is a historic step forward for America’s seniors,” said Social Security Commissioner Frank Bisignano. “For nearly 90 years, Social Security has been a cornerstone of economic security for older Americans. By significantly reducing the tax burden on benefits, this legislation reaffirms President Trump’s promise to protect Social Security and helps ensure that seniors can better enjoy the retirement they’ve earned."

[quote] The new law includes a provision that eliminates federal income taxes on Social Security benefits for most beneficiaries, providing relief to individuals and couples. Additionally, it provides an enhanced deduction for taxpayers aged 65 and older, ensuring that retirees can keep more of what they have earned.

[quote] Social Security remains committed to providing timely, accurate information to the public and will continue working closely with federal partners to ensure beneficiaries understand how this legislation may affect them.

I’ve heard all the negative effects of this bill, but no income tax on Social Security benefits is pretty terrific and I hadn’t heard that before.

Yeah so terrific it will drive Social Security and Medicare insolvent sooner.

{quote] OBBBA Would Accelerate Social Security & Medicare Insolvency

I’M SO SORRY, EVERYONE!

[quote] Trump may be an intellectual moron, but he’s probably the greatest con man who ever lived.

Not the greatest, only the most arrogant and audacious.

[quote] Cutting Medicaid funding will have no effect on fraud or abuse and probably not on waste. There will just be less money to steal or waste.

It is taking benefits away from those who need it the most, and don't have the time, capacity or resources to vigorously advocate for themselves. There will be no human beings administering the program, it will be all AI and algorithms.

The fraudsters and criminals will get rich.

I dunno, OP. I think many of them on their premature deathbeds will still experience great satisfaction knowing they made libs cry.

Trump tonight in Iowa:

“All of the things we did with the tax cuts and rebuilding our military, not one Democrat voted for us. And I think we use it in the campaign that’s coming up, the midterms,” Trump said.

“But all of the things that we’ve given, and they wouldn’t vote. Only because they hate Trump,” the president continued. “But I hate them, too. You know that? I really do, I hate them. I cannot stand them because I really believe they hate our country, you want to know the truth.”

Idiot R81.

R87 love and duty and kindness has its limitations as to how far they will take you. Hate, hate can be a driving force that can move mountains and never stop. While we cackle they rule. One victory after another, Our response——in time things will go bad for them, History will remember them poorly.

Or let’s hope they all die

Once you read DL you realize we have not only lost we keep on losing while we at DL are singing good times are here again——soon, very soon hopefully.

We deserve the beating we got. We are useless powerless clueless.

The GOP is singing the U of Michigan fight song

you reap what you sow

you voted for it, you asked for it

heaven help you now

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Most of you have no comprehension of the MAGA mindset. These people will literally live in the dirt and happily go through trashcans for food - just as long as they are owning the libs and inflicting pain and cruelty on the "other" (i.e. blacks, gays, trans, browns, poors etc.) They hang on to every word Trump says and they believe every word of it and they are all in on this bill no matter if it leaves them worse off. Nothing will change their minds and nothing Trump does or doesn't do will change their opinion of him or their support of him. He is MAGA. They are MAGA and will die for it. This now describes 95% of the Republican party and voters.

MAGA is very open to recruiting people of color and Hispanics. They love stealing the democratic base from them. That’s the ultimate owning the libs stealing their members and making them a full time minority smaller party..

It’s elites they truly hate. A gay GOP they delight in. As they do a black one. A diseased liberal trans supporting elite fag they hate, But above all they hate elites of all colors and all types. however they define elite.

They hate DL every bit as much as DL hates them. But they are the ones in power they have the votes and the government . In this story they are tops and the dems are the bottoms with some tops foot stuck up their ass.

We hope they rule

The Washington Post has a review of what’s actually in the bill. Combined with tax cuts and cuts in Medicaid, there’s lots of populist reforms. . Seniors get a 6K break, no tax on tips, $1000 for newborns etc. There are many things MAGA will like in the bill.

The biggest shocker is the big hole it will put in the budget. Republicans used to care about that. It’s really an entirely different political party now.

[quote]In this story they are tops and the dems are the bottoms with some tops foot stuck up their ass.

Your definition of the relationship between tops and bottoms differs greatly from mine, r94.

[quote] "But all of the things that we’ve given, and they wouldn’t vote. Only because they hate Trump,” the president continued. “But I hate them, too. You know that? I really do, I hate them. I cannot stand them because I really believe they hate our country, you want to know the truth."

I won't hold my breath for all those who routinely slur Trump opponents as suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome will now direct their attention to Trump's own derangement syndrome.

Is anyone here familiar with the mechanism utilized to cast Congressional votes? I know that it's electronic, but I'm wondering if when the vote is cast, whether or not it's a done deal and cannot be changed. Here's what I noticed yesterday as the House cast their votes - almost right away, I saw a republican vote "nay." That republican "nay" appeared on the screen and remained active for about five seconds before disappearing, and into the "yay" column. I watched my tv screen like a hawk thereafter to see that it happened again several minutes later. Still watching, and damn it if it hapoen again! Three republican "nays" retracted within seconds and then those votes were immediately reflected in the "yay" column. I'm wondering about this...

R95 The Social Security "break" is temporary and only available to upper middle class seniors... that SS Administration sent out that email with deceptive is a joke. The SS break is a trick to help win the midterms...as is delaying many of the social safety net cute until AFTER the midterm.

[quote]“The biggest beneficiaries are upper-middle-class seniors with significant wealth, who have a lot of discretion over how much income to realize in a given year,” he said. To be clear, this provision does not eliminate taxes on Social Security benefits as Trump promised in the campaign. It is a temporary income tax deduction, not a cut in the Social Security tax.

America is being played, over and over.

This is actually GOOD for me -- I'm a senior who doesn't get SS (gov't pension instead). So I get the $6K tax break even though I don't get SS.

[quote]I'm wondering if when the vote is cast, whether or not it's a done deal and cannot be changed

I think typically yes, you're allowed to change your vote until the end of voting is called.

R100 so fuck seniors in assisted living facilities who will lose Medicaid and so not have care attendants. Fuck the working poor who won't have health care. Fuck those who depend on SNAP for their family's food. Fuck generations to come because we are exploding our national debt. Because I get a small break on my taxes.

R100 and you are also aware that Project 2025 authors want to look at gov't pensions and either end them or cut them. Good luck. You are on a life raft and there is storm coming.

r98, interesting. Sounds like they voted their conscience, then got a text reminding them how slowly they will be skinned alive should they betray Trump and quickly changed their votes. I joke, but these days, you can't be too sure...

Somebody on one of the channels stated that those that flipped their vote appear more afraid of Trump than they are their own constituents. Remains to be seen whether the people who they've p***** off will vote them back into the office during the midterms, even if they have Trumps support.

Even as the cut medicaid:

[quote]Average increase: Payments from the government to Medicare Advantage plans are expected to increase by an average of 5.06% from 2025 to 2026. Total payments: This increase is projected to result in over $25 billion in additional payments to Medicare Advantage plans in 2026.

United Healthcare, the largest provider of Medicare Advantage plans stands to reap a windfall.

I don't usually agree with AOC, but I will give her that she embarrassed the hell out of RFK jr. over this.

R106 AOC isn't the politician she was even a couple of years ago... and our political environment has become entirely different. We are building a complete Kleptocracy and police state. AOC now seems right in the middle of the needed Resistance. She seems infinitely more reasonable and patriotic than MAGA.

Healthcare may be a distraction from Trump fully funding his Gestapo and concentration camps.

Hey Michigan Arab Americans, what are you going to do when Trump DENATURALIZES you en masse and shovels you into mass graves with the rest of your kind? Pity you didn't vote for tolerance and consideration of your fellow citizens. This is what you get when you hate trannies in America. You get hated as well.

It's a bit different for all the Black Men who wanted Harris to kiss their black asses because they weren't going to fall lockstep in a voting block. This is what happens when the devil kisses your asses. My suggestion is to never jaywalk, ever.

I thought Iranians hacked into the Trump crowds emails. Now might be a good time to release them.

The party of fiscal restraint strikes again:

"Special tax breaks for venture capitalists, Alaskan fisheries, spaceports, private schools, rum makers and others — together costing tens of billions of dollars — quietly caught a ride on Republicans’ sprawling domestic policy megabill.

The legislation is primarily designed to prevent $4 trillion in looming tax increases set to hit at the end of this year. But, shortly before approving the plan, Senate Republicans added a new crop of unrelated, bespoke tax breaks. House GOP lawmakers got in their share, too.

There’s a $17 billion expansion of a little-known provision that enables venture capitalists to make a fortune tax-free. There’s a $2 billion break important to the rum industry and, tangentially, Louisiana. Another spends $26 billion to create a new $1,700 credit for people who give to groups providing scholarships for children to attend private school. There’s also a $1 billion provision allowing “spaceports” to sell tax-exempt bonds."

[quote] United Healthcare, the largest provider of Medicare Advantage plans stands to reap a windfall.

I tried to warn you assholes.