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Did Princess Margaret really age horribly due to years of drink, drugs and too much sun?

That seems to be the popular opinion here, for good reasons. She got herself a free property on Mustique from Lord Glenconnoer where she proceeded to long vacation and fry herself in the sun and drink with lovers 'til the cows (goats?) came home.

But her daughter, Sarah 60, who is recognized for her staid temperament (and artistic ability) looks very, very worn. I thought she was so lovely at her wedding. She has different priorities than others, but it's jarring to see her this way.

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by Anonymousreply 92July 4, 2025 5:07 AM

I think she was the loveliest Royal bride. Cute, dorky husband, too.

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by Anonymousreply 1July 1, 2025 10:06 AM

I don't think she looks *that* bad, but yes maybe a little older than her years. She's 61 now.

That said, it doesn't look like she's wearing much (if any) make up in that photo. I suspect if she was, it'd take some of the years off.

by Anonymousreply 2July 1, 2025 10:27 AM

Her sons though....

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by Anonymousreply 3July 1, 2025 10:51 AM

Who?

by Anonymousreply 4July 1, 2025 10:53 AM

Bad genes. That famy is unfortunate looking.

by Anonymousreply 5July 1, 2025 11:13 AM

She's morphing into cousin Anne territory...

by Anonymousreply 6July 1, 2025 11:14 AM

She has a very distinct style and is usually one of the best dressed at any royal wedding. She doesn’t appear to wear makeup, I mean I’m sure she does, it’s just very subtle.

by Anonymousreply 7July 1, 2025 11:17 AM

Sorry...family. Laying in bed typing on a phone.

by Anonymousreply 8July 1, 2025 11:18 AM

I would say the sons are pretty cute, R5, when compared with other royal offspring. They at least don’t have that horsey inbred look.

by Anonymousreply 9July 1, 2025 11:23 AM

The Windsors all resemble horses R9. Which particular sons are you discussing?

by Anonymousreply 10July 1, 2025 11:27 AM

Doubting Thomas at r10. Lazy, too.

by Anonymousreply 11July 1, 2025 11:28 AM

Rose Nyland’s sons, R10

by Anonymousreply 12July 1, 2025 11:31 AM

Yes, R11. I'm lazing in bed right now. This thread is about Margaret, a Windsor. Inbred and horsey looking.

by Anonymousreply 13July 1, 2025 11:48 AM

[quote]Did Princess Margaret really age horribly due to years of drink, drugs and too much sun?

Absolutely not ! It was her daily regime of yoga, five mile jog, protein shakes, and a vegetarian diet. That's what did it to her !

by Anonymousreply 14July 1, 2025 11:54 AM

That is simply a poor photo of Sarah Chatto. As mentioned she has a definite style that she sticks to, it suits her slim figure and she is always one of the best dressed amongst the royal ladies. She also wears very little makeup.

by Anonymousreply 15July 1, 2025 12:08 PM

I suppose Margaret had cosmetic work done, but even in her later years and dotage, she didn't look nearly as worn as Lady Sarah.

At 60. (in April 1990)

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by Anonymousreply 16July 1, 2025 12:14 PM

At age 60, R16, but with the hairstyle of a 90 year old.

by Anonymousreply 17July 1, 2025 12:19 PM

It is mainly the lack of eye makeup (brow and lash) that makes the difference in these pics

by Anonymousreply 18July 1, 2025 12:49 PM

They don't seem to use the right products for skin care. No moisturizers!!! But yes, I also see a bit of the Princess Royal in her face. Do remember, even though many of us remember her father as a hottie, in his later years Anthony Armstrong Jones didn't age well either. T'was the drink that done it. He and Margaret drank like pigs. Sarah Chatto might have been ill, dealing with health issue and medications can do that to you.

by Anonymousreply 19July 1, 2025 12:50 PM

The Queen was very fond of Lady Sarah.

by Anonymousreply 20July 1, 2025 1:10 PM

Does this branch really deserve its own thread? Why can’t this be buried in the existing BRFB thread.

*!BRF BULLSHIT

by Anonymousreply 21July 1, 2025 1:16 PM

Margaret drank and smoked for decades and it aged her terribly.

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by Anonymousreply 22July 1, 2025 1:26 PM

Yes, Veruca darling at r21.

by Anonymousreply 23July 1, 2025 1:27 PM

R3 made me look closer to Arthur and Samuel Chatto, especially the older one, Arthur, and I must say that I agree with the "woof!".

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by Anonymousreply 24July 1, 2025 1:29 PM

Ha - R24 I just went to grab the link you posted.

The hotness!

by Anonymousreply 25July 1, 2025 1:31 PM

All teeth

by Anonymousreply 26July 1, 2025 1:38 PM

R20 She was indeed. But then she was close to Margaret so it made sense she was very fond of her niece.

Margaret could apparently be very trying at times. I know there were lots of stories about her, but I never knew what to believe. However, I read one of her lady in waiting's books (Anne Glenconner) and she backed a lot of those stories up. Not in a nasty way though; she was clearly friendly with Margaret.

I recall one story she told where they were in New York and she decided last minute she didn't want to go to a Broadway show that she was expected at. Anne encouraged her by saying how the cast and theatre staff were all expecting her and eventually managed to coax her into going. But imagine being so selfish that you could think it was OK to drop out of something like that unless you were ill (she wasn't).

Sarah seems the complete opposite - a friendly and hardworking lady who shuns the spotlight. Good on her.

by Anonymousreply 27July 1, 2025 2:02 PM

[quote]Margaret drank and smoked for decades and it aged her terribly."

Better that than living like a nun. She was a victim of the gene pool, and her drinking and smoking took their toll, but she had fun. Good for her.

"What good is sitting alone in your room? Come, hear the music play....Life is a cabaret, old chum..."

by Anonymousreply 28July 1, 2025 2:09 PM

I would have killed to have been invited to one of Margaret’s infamous dinner parties where she trashed everyone.

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by Anonymousreply 29July 1, 2025 2:34 PM

Richard Eyre kept a diary when running the National Theatre in London. Margaret made her entrance at a much-anticipated opening, it might have been "Sunday In The Park With George." Eyre greeted her with a warm appreciative welcome, hoping she would have a wonderful evening. To which she said, "I hate Sondheim."

by Anonymousreply 30July 1, 2025 3:17 PM

Margaret didn't care for Jews

by Anonymousreply 31July 1, 2025 3:20 PM

Has anyone read Ma’am Darling?

Lady Glenconner still goes out of her way to bring up how cruel it was.

I tried to link it, but it won’t let me.

by Anonymousreply 32July 1, 2025 3:39 PM

Princess Margaret: Queen of Mustique

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by Anonymousreply 33July 1, 2025 3:48 PM

R32 I want to read it.

This review has me curious - who is John Bindon, and how big was his apparently substantial penis?

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by Anonymousreply 34July 1, 2025 6:19 PM

[quote] thought she was so lovely at her wedding.

You were blind. She was always unattractive

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by Anonymousreply 35July 1, 2025 6:52 PM

R32: "M'am Darling" was meant to be a bit cheeky. Her Lady in Waiting was more sympathetic, but they both paint her as someone who couldn't reconcile being royal and rather common. Consequently, she could be haughty when it was inappropriate and "common" in the worst way.

by Anonymousreply 36July 1, 2025 6:58 PM

It’s the brows and the contrast between the dyed hair and the almost invisible brows.

But she does look more wrinkled than I would expect for a 61 year-old.

by Anonymousreply 37July 1, 2025 7:05 PM

Inbreeding, OP. You can see it with the teeth and long noses, OP.

Sarah and Anne were attractive when younger, but the recessive genes came out as they aged.

Princess Elizabeth and Margaret were attractive in an English sort of way.

Lady Sarah Chatto is an accomplished artist and is very down to earth.

by Anonymousreply 38July 1, 2025 7:49 PM

M’am Darling was very funny. But it painted a picture of a very unhappy woman, full of grudges. She was portrayed much more sympathetically in The Crown.

One of my favourite tidbits from the book is how, when watching television with the Queen Mother, she would abruptly change channels without asking.

by Anonymousreply 39July 1, 2025 8:30 PM

Disagree r35. No she’s not going to win a beauty pageant but she looks like a pleasant person.

by Anonymousreply 40July 1, 2025 11:41 PM

Royal blood doesn't guarantee movie star looks. Don't know why some of you think it would.

by Anonymousreply 41July 1, 2025 11:45 PM

I guess her mother and her sister felt guilty about ruining her life so they let her get away with all kinds of shit. In all honesty,, Elizabeth II could have done something to support her sister and been more compassionate instead of being such a stickler for the rules and traditions, and protocols.

by Anonymousreply 42July 1, 2025 11:54 PM

The British are just not a comely race

by Anonymousreply 43July 1, 2025 11:54 PM

When you consider her behavior as a form of rebellion it's a shame it involved so much self harm. She was a miserable person.

by Anonymousreply 44July 2, 2025 12:02 AM

R43 - well the Royal family is mainly German, so...

by Anonymousreply 45July 2, 2025 12:05 AM

They're not mainly German anymore.

by Anonymousreply 46July 2, 2025 12:11 AM

[QUOTE]Elizabeth II could have done something to support her sister and been more compassionate instead of being such a stickler for the rules and traditions, and protocols.

I'm not sure what you mean, r42. Margaret had very few restrictions on her behavior and was left to her own devices when she wasn't begrudgingly performing Royal duties. She was a heavy partner and a wannabe jet setter type.

And as far as being a stickler for protocol, Margaret was the worst. She lorded her status over people to the point of overbearing and she could be incredibly cruel about it. The review of Ma'am Darling contains examples. Margaret also treated her mother poorly, considering her a commoner while noting she was of royal blood.

by Anonymousreply 47July 2, 2025 12:23 AM

Ugh. ^ Partier not partner.

by Anonymousreply 48July 2, 2025 1:07 AM

R46, agreed. People like R45 forget the Queen Mother was full Scots, and Diana is from the Spencer family, which is about as English as you can get.

by Anonymousreply 49July 2, 2025 1:14 AM

R47 - I wouldn't say very few restrictions - she wasn't allowed to marry the man she wanted.

I have to think Margie had an impact on Harry - either through conversation or through Harry watching her life and noping out of that 'spare' bullshit.

I feel for all of the secondary royal children. Outside of completing the family, it feels awfully restrictive and pre-planned. And they will never lead the country.

R49 - I didn't know Diana gave birth to Princess Margaret, which is who this thread is about.

by Anonymousreply 50July 2, 2025 1:16 AM

[QUOTE]I wouldn't say very few restrictions - she wasn't allowed to marry the man she wanted.

She was, eventually, given the go ahead to marry, but she would have to give up her place in the succession. Not sure if she'd have to relinquish the Princess title. The main opponents to the marriage were Tommy Lascalles, the Queen's private secretary who also filled the role for her father, and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Churchill was all for it. Elizabeth only asked her sister to wait a year until she had settled into the role and returned from a six month long Commonwealth tour.

by Anonymousreply 51July 2, 2025 1:27 AM

R51 - well it was lose her place in succession, lose her royal privileges and her royal income (and potentially her royal status).

So yeah - there was a choice, but kind of a Hobson's choice.

by Anonymousreply 52July 2, 2025 1:35 AM

It's also been said the relationship had fizzled by then. It was her first relationship.

by Anonymousreply 53July 2, 2025 1:46 AM

[quote]Margaret drank and smoked for decades and it aged her terribly.

It was the sun.

by Anonymousreply 54July 2, 2025 1:49 AM

R50. tell that to R45. He started it.

by Anonymousreply 55July 2, 2025 1:49 AM

[quote] I have to think Margie had an impact on Harry - either through conversation or through Harry watching her life and noping out of that 'spare' bullshit.

Any sympathy, insight, or understanding of their positions as similar was lost upon the dimwitted prince. He threw her under the bus in his "memoir," when he said a look from her would wither a potted plant. It's a good line, but obviously ghostwritten for him.

by Anonymousreply 56July 2, 2025 1:51 AM

She was always pretty ugly

by Anonymousreply 57July 2, 2025 1:55 AM

She looked like a Jewish manicurist.

by Anonymousreply 58July 2, 2025 2:05 AM

R56 - I don't think it was lost on him at all - she lived as an example of what he didn't want to repeat. I'm sure Diana was well aware of that too.

But really this all comes down to the British people and the awful British press. No other royal family is stalked, photographed, gossiped about and torn apart in papers on a daily basis like the British royal family, their spouses and their children.

It's Britain's own doing that they're such a mess. The British Press make up all of this - but the people love to read it - so both work together. No other royal family has to deal with all that crap.

by Anonymousreply 59July 2, 2025 2:06 AM

It's very odd, Sarah Chatto and David Linley seem like really cool, creative, lovely, low-key people, despite having been spawned by parents who were (by many accounts) godawful assholes. How often does that happen?

by Anonymousreply 60July 2, 2025 2:21 AM

I just want to know if any of the men in the family inherited Philip's sizemeat.

by Anonymousreply 61July 2, 2025 3:57 AM

R60 I suspect neither parent spent that much time with their children. The Royal Family generally had governesses and nannies who would school and raise their children respectively.

Usually they'd just be presented to their parents for an hour or two in the evening. Then, when older, they'd go to boarding school.

They do say Margaret and Armstrong-Jones spent more time with their children than the average Royal, but that's still a lot less time than most parents do. Besides, Margaret was pretty vile to those she saw as beneath her (ie pretty much everyone) but she couldn't really think that of her own children - given she'd have been indirectly insulting herself!

I came across an interview with Margaret on YouTube recently (linked below) where she's asked about her memories of the war and VE Day, etc. She comes across surprisingly well, though there are a few expressions where you can tell she's thinking "don't get too personal, old chap" but she doesn't say anything, she just gives shorter answers to those questions.

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by Anonymousreply 62July 2, 2025 8:42 AM

"Margaret was pretty vile to those she saw as beneath her...:

Yet she shtooped a gardener for 15 years.

by Anonymousreply 63July 2, 2025 9:10 AM

[quote]Margaret didn't care for Jews

I don't think that's entirely true. She enjoyed the company of gay stage and costume designer Oliver Messel, finding him charming and witty. Messel was half-Jewish (on his father's side) and Anthony Armstrong Jones's maternal uncle.

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by Anonymousreply 64July 2, 2025 9:29 AM

R63 Well, it's true Roddy Llewellyn was a gardener, but he's also a Baronet. So he was hardly of the 'lower orders' compared to, say, Kate - sorry Catherine - Middleton.

(Sorry Kate, love you. But Margaret wouldn't have approved.)

by Anonymousreply 65July 2, 2025 10:04 AM

Lady Sarah is a lovely woman who keeps a distance from royal business, while she remains close to family members. My soulmate painted next to her at the Royal Academy school back in the early 90s.

by Anonymousreply 66July 2, 2025 10:14 AM

[quote]It is mainly the lack of eye makeup (brow and lash) that makes the difference in these pics

Gayest absurdity in ages on DL, cosmetics counter clerk R18 blaming the lack of eye makeup for that fucking turkey wattle and more cross-hatched facial lines than in a 17thCentury engraving.

"Just spend £600 on some starter product and you'll be on the fast track to youth and beauty!'

by Anonymousreply 67July 2, 2025 11:30 AM

[quote]...it's jarring to see her this way.

Which way?

Being trolled with an unflattering gotcha photo as he facial expression changed?

What is wrong with you?

by Anonymousreply 68July 2, 2025 12:20 PM

I recently re-watched the entire first season of The Crown and while I enjoyed it even more, all those extraordinary performances that convince you you're watching the real people (I'm American!), the episodes focusing on Princess Margaret's romances were a bit of a bore.

by Anonymousreply 69July 2, 2025 1:00 PM

I agree R69. As we talk about what an unpredictable rude self indulgent woman she was in real life, I have to wonder at the scenes we saw in The Crown of all the partying they did in her apartments. In spite of her nasty disposition it seems she did belong to "a set" and she had friends. Or am I missing something?

by Anonymousreply 70July 2, 2025 4:15 PM

R41 no one expects the products of centuries of inbreeding to look like movie stars.

by Anonymousreply 71July 2, 2025 4:26 PM

r71, then why is there all this criticism here of Margaret and her daughter's looks?

by Anonymousreply 72July 2, 2025 4:46 PM

Because regardless what explains their origins, they're ugly.

by Anonymousreply 73July 2, 2025 5:12 PM

I wouldn’t say Lady Sarah is unattractive. She reminds me of artistic reconstructions of Early European Hunter-Gatherers, with strong and striking features. Interestingly, the same traits that appear somewhat coarse and rugged on her translate to a very attractive, masculine look in Arthur.

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by Anonymousreply 74July 2, 2025 6:02 PM

Sarah is apparently liked by everybody. When she used to visit the Queen at Buckingham Palace she would arrive by foot or on her bicycle. She is present at every big royal event, weddings, coronations, funerals, Sandringham at Christmas, Balmoral in the summer.

She had a joint 21st birthday party with Prince Edward and another royal at Buckingham Palace, her guests were all fellow students from her university.

I read that she accepted from a young age that her mother wasn’t maternal, it is well known that Margaret used to dump her and her brother off at Buckingham Palace with the Queen whilst she went off galavanting in London with her husband. Apparently the only rebellious thing Sarah ever did was to move in with her boyfriend before they married, which outraged her mother.

Sarah and her family, along with Zara and her family (and there respective brothers) are prime examples of the fabulous life Meghan and Harry could have had if only they hadn’t been such a pair of jealous, nasty, vindictive lazy grifting cunts. They enjoy all of the good things that come their way by being part of the family, without any of the day to day stuff.

When you think about it Sarah could easily have been a bit fucked up. Her grandparents were the King and Queen, her aunt was the Queen for 70 years, her mother a princess, her cousin is the King. She was the last royal baby to be born inside a royal palace. And yet she’s still only 60 and lives a private and anonymous life with her husband and two sons. There has never been a single whisper of and drama about her.

by Anonymousreply 75July 3, 2025 7:01 AM

The Chatto brothers couldn't be more different. The older brother is the artistic and seemingly sensitive one (and pocket-sized). Scroll down for picture with his girlfriend and parents

[QUOTE]Samuel David Benedict Chatto (born 28 July 1996), 30th in the line of succession as of January 2025. He studied at Eton, and went on to study history of art at the University of Edinburgh, and works as a sculptor, based in West Sussex.[19] He also completed yoga teacher training in India.[20]

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by Anonymousreply 76July 3, 2025 8:07 AM

She looks inbred.

by Anonymousreply 77July 3, 2025 8:33 AM

R75 Very true. Sarah seems very grounded when you consider her grandmother was the Queen. I suppose in such a position you can go one of two ways and thankfully she went the 'better' of the two.

I also recall Princess Margaret wanting her children to have more privacy and encouraging them to pursue their own careers, given they weren't technically members of the Royal Family (if you take the very strict definition of the Royal Family as being those who have royal duties). So I suppose from an early age they realised they'd have to get their own jobs which probably helped them stay more grounded.

by Anonymousreply 78July 3, 2025 11:14 AM

suppose from an early age they realised they'd have to get their own jobs…like 99.9 percent of the reader of us? What a bold choice on their part.

Never has more idiotic bullshit been written on the DL than about the Windsors. The soap threads are worthy of PhD theses by comparison.

by Anonymousreply 79July 3, 2025 11:34 AM

*rest of us

by Anonymousreply 80July 3, 2025 11:34 AM

R76 Both Chatto brothers are undeniably on the short side. Sam comes in at 5'6". Arthur, the pocket-sized powerhouse, tops out at 5'7"

by Anonymousreply 81July 3, 2025 11:39 AM

R79 I wasn't trying to make getting their own jobs sound like a hardship, I was just explaining why Sarah Chatto seems more grounded than many might expect. After all, some children in the same position could have been snobby, precocious, pretentious, etc.

by Anonymousreply 82July 3, 2025 12:26 PM

Again, giving praise for what the rest of us do every day. It’s badly written satire at this pint.

by Anonymousreply 83July 3, 2025 1:24 PM

R72, because it's DL.

by Anonymousreply 84July 3, 2025 2:43 PM

The Royal family are not Kardashians. They don't live under the plastic surgeon's knife or spend their days looking in the mirror.

by Anonymousreply 85July 3, 2025 4:55 PM

Vicious queens tearing apart this total stranger over her looks and her family background.

Who is Sarah Chatto as a PERSON? As a mother? As a charity patron?

Why can't you dusty old cunts judge her on her deeds and her life, rather than her appearance at the age of 60? To hell with her for aging, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 86July 3, 2025 4:59 PM

[quote]They don't live under the plastic surgeon's knife or spend their days looking in the mirror.

That's really Brits in general, not just the Royal Family. Brits aren't obsessed with cosmetic surgery the way Americans are.

by Anonymousreply 87July 3, 2025 5:12 PM

And it shows

by Anonymousreply 88July 3, 2025 9:46 PM

Anne and Oliver Messel were my grandfather's cousins and they all ran around together in the 20s. My grandfather had nothing good to say about Anne. Her portrayal in The Crown fits right in with his stories. He rather liked Oliver.

by Anonymousreply 89July 3, 2025 9:59 PM

Anne who, r89?

by Anonymousreply 90July 3, 2025 11:34 PM

Snowden's mother. Simultaneously bitchy and porcine in the same look. She's a wonder.

by Anonymousreply 91July 4, 2025 12:55 AM

[quote]Snowden's mother.

As I recall, an ice-maiden. Never visited Snowden when as a youth he was hospitalised with polio.

by Anonymousreply 92July 4, 2025 5:07 AM
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