"Death to the IDF" chants at Pro Palestine Glastonbury performance

I just don't care anymore.

The IDF is an occupying force, They're an invading army. They aren't some band of defenseless innocents.

How ironic that a bunch of people at a European music festival have no empathy for hundreds of young people being raped and slaughtered at another music festival by an invading army of islamic terrorists.

They don't have the fucking balls to call out islam, the horrendous lack of human rights in islamic countries, or the massacres being perpetuated daily by islamic terror groups around the globe.

I guess antisemitism is how you build your brand and grow your fandom these days. Do your thing, Mossad.

Not surprised two black Brits came out with this statement, though. Teacake has a lot to answer for.

The Israeli military represents Jews as whole, r4? I think that's a wildly antisemitic thing to say.

Do you think Sicilian mobsters represent the Catholic Church?

It used to be anti-semitic to say all Jews are Israeli subjects. Now it's anti-semitic to say they aren't, apparently.

[quote]Do your thing, Mossad.

🙄

Saying “death to the IDF” instead of chanting “death to the Jews” gives the participants a little cover. Not much though, since everyone is aware of the trick of substituting “IDF” or “Israel” to avoid the censors. It’s like how on TikTok, people substitute “corn” for “porn”, “unaliving” for “kill”, or “pew pew” for “gun”.

State Department bans visas for English punk duo Bob Vylan after Glastonbury performance

I read this the other day:

Since early civilization, Jewish people have been hated and kicked out of every country they’ve ever occupied.

They were finally given their own country and in less than a century, that country has become the most hated country in the world.

Maybe it’s them?

r5, that’s a piss poor analogy.

More Mamdani voters on holiday, huh?

No one cares about this except Fox viewers (because Fox has been talking about it a lot).

Since Israel has universal conscription, they know exactly what they're saying here: "Death to every Israeli". These are the people who claim to be "anti-genocide".

Notice how their chants never mention peace--they are almost always calls to violence.

And yet Bob Dylan still hasn’t sued the band for trademark/copywrite infringement. Why the hell not?

R14 That would put an instant target on his back, which he neither needs nor deserves. He spent quite a bit of time in Israel in the 70s and 80s and there are videos on YouTube of him fundraising for Chabad and other very Jewish organizations. This shithead knows exactly what he's doing shouting death to the IDF while calling himself "Bob Vylan".

The very Jewish band Haim who have quite a lot of Israeli family members were also performing at that festival. I can only imagine how shitty/scary an experience that must have been for them.

I protested the Iraq war pretty heavily. I cannot imagine "DEATH TO US SOLDIERS!" ever catching on like this. Same during Vietnam. Sure, soldiers were heavily criticized and judged (sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly), but the only people who said shit like this were pretty widely recognized as far-left terrorists and didn't particularly deny that.

The Islamic Republic chants "Death to Israel, death to America". Are we still in denial about the effectiveness of their mass propaganda campaign?

One of the elderly Jewish victims who were set on fire in the streets of Boulder by a pro-pali "activist" finally succumbed to her extensive injuries and died in the hospital today.

Words and actions have consequences, these events don't happen in a vacuum. Chanting violent threats like "death death death to the IDF" or "globalize the intifada" (and I'm not gonna argue about what the "real" meaning is, just like I wouldn't argue with a black person that I can use the N word cause I'm just singing along and dont have any hate behind it) and endless fear mongering are bound to push already unstable people to commit horrible acts. If you don't actively police these more radical people out of your movement then you are essentially complicit.

Of course, if the band had chanted 'Death, Death to Hamas', Kier Starmer and the BBC would have cheered them on.

But Hamas are not a genocidal occupying force. The IDF are.

R18 Hamas is a globally recognized terrorist organization. The IDF is no different than the US or British or French or Canadian military. You can have all the issues with them that you like--that does not magically make them a terrorist organization. Words have meaning.

R19 are the French or Canadian militaries engaged in genocide? I'll grant you the US and UK ones are supporting the genocide in Gaza.

R20 The US' war with Iraq resulted in 400,000-700,000 civilian deaths between 2003 and 2011 alone (and that's just in Iraq). Over 90% were considered violent. So only one year longer than the war in Gaza (56,000 deaths with 15,000-20,000 estimated to be Hamas militants).

Did that result in the US military being labeled a terrorist organization?

*^2003-2007

[quote]Did that result in the US military being labeled a terrorist organization?

It should have.

R23 No, it shouldn't...because WORDS HAVE MEANINGS.

A really dangerous trend (on both the far-right and the far-left) are people ignoring established definitions of words and replacing them with feelings.

"This person who is different than me was hired when I feel someone just like me would have been better suited to the job, and I call this "DEI"."

"Immigrants are sometimes here in the country illegally, and people who do illegal things are called criminals, and when I think "criminal", the scariest kind I think of are rapists and murderers, so that's what I'll call them too."

"This seems like a lot of casualties and that feels like a genocide so that is what I will call it, and since the most commonly recognized genocide is the Holocaust, that's what I'll compare this one to."

"The actions of this government/military seem abhorrent to me, and that feeling is close to what I feel when I hear the word "terrorist" or "nazi" so that is what I will call them too."

It isn't so much festivals that changed as the political left.

Leftists used to campaign against nukes, now they defend Iran's right to a nuclear program.

They used to say "make love not war." Now? "Resistance is justified."

The radical political left (not unlike the radical right) always had a violent streak - see admiration for the Soviet Union, Mao, and Vietcong in the name of anti-American imperialism. But there was a utopian peace-loving side as well. At some point, it seems the violent tendencies took over and became mainstream. What we have now is a form of radical leftism that repeats buzzwords about peace and justice while idolizing terrorists and openly advocating mass-death.

Agreed, R26. As a life-long peacenik, I've found the presence of my kind among the far left has become increasingly scarce.

Dear me, Bibi’s bots are out in force in this thread. So far so Mossad.

These anti-Semites so bad want to say the J word (or maybe even worse). Some of them are going to start doing it openly instead of their not-so-clever code words, I suspect. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

R29 They've taken to saying "Zio"--a term first coined by David Duke. They employ the exact same tropes, libels, and conspiracy theories that have been circulating since 1144 about the Jews--inhuman, blood-thirsty, baby-killing, greedy, scheming, vermin with far-reaching conspiracies to take over the world. Throw them into the well, into the gas chambers, into the sea. Their rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of the medieval Christians, the Cossacks, Napoleon, the Soviet Union, the Nazis, the Islamic Republic, and the neo-Nazis.

Frankly, I don't care if they call themselves antisemites or antizionists--it still leads to stateless, persecuted, and dead Jews. And when I see the crazed thrill in their eyes and their lips curling in hatred and contempt when they say the word "Zionist", it sounds, looks, and feels indecipherable from when they called me a "kike" as a kid in Linden, NJ.

Watching the videos from Glastonbury of the crowd working its way up into a feverish ecstasy over calls for mass murder of the IDF in a way they would for no other legitimate military in the world puts the same terror in me that I felt watching footage of those people chanting "Jews will not replace us" with tiki torches.

And tell me this, if it's really just Zionist-hatred and not Jew-hatred, why hasn't a single Zionist Christian church been defaced, firebombed, or shot up--only synagogues. Why hasn't a single Christian Zionist been attacked, had their businesses vandalized, been harassed and shot at on their way to services, had to hide any outward evidence of their faith when they leave the house for their own safety, been set on fire, or been murdered--only Jews.

R30 the IDF are committing a genocide in Gaza. Palestinians are stateless and being persecuted against by the Israeli government and their despicable army. Your victim complex is just feelings sorry. Palestinians are living a physical reality of genocide. Yours is just in your head.

Napoleon was an antisemite R30?

R31 What the fuck does one have to do with the other? So because Palestinians are dying Jews halfway around the world thst have nothing to do with it deserve to be terrorized and murdered?

Gosh...I wonder what could have happened to Jews for 3,000 years that might put them a bit on edge when the world starts turning against them....

R33??? Palestinians are being murdered by the IDF, and this chant was directed at the IDF. The only one moving the goalposts….is you. Your criticism is only applicable when aimed at yourself tbh.

You’re dealing in feelings and denying reality.

[quote] And tell me this, if it's really just Zionist-hatred and not Jew-hatred, why hasn't a single Zionist Christian church been defaced, firebombed, or shot up--only synagogues. Why hasn't a single Christian Zionist been attacked, had their businesses vandalized, been harassed and shot at on their way to services, had to hide any outward evidence of their faith when they leave the house for their own safety, been set on fire, or been murdered--only Jews.

Also R30 the man who was shot and killed at the Jewish museum in DC, Yaron Lischinsky, was a Zionist Christian. So that disproves your little rant.

What a monster, arguing for the end of a genocidal military organization which is mass murdering men, women and children daily before all the world.

And so rude!

R34 Quality gaslighting, prick.

Actions, meet consequences.

Thank goodness there’s still some consequences for displays of antisemitism, such as what this band did at Glastonbury.

Is it acceptable to say death to an idea or political movement, like "Death to Capitalism"?

Blairite Labour MP Siobhain McDonagh once tried to claim that anti-capitalist politics were themselves anti-semitic, because of the association between the Jews and finance capital.

That gives some idea as to the intellectual calibre of these people.

Oh yes, and a quick reminder that the IDF is currently committing genocide, and has repeatedly attacked and destroyed or killed schools, hospitals, universities, aid convoys, ambulance convoys, journalists, UN personnel, and families seeking food aid. Sometimes there's a tendency for these facts to get a little lost.

I am so looking forward to Europe's inevitable slide into dhimmitude and submission.

“ 🎵 ALLLL bound for muumuu land 🎵” “That’s the KLF, not the IDF you idiot!”

“Bob Vylan” is a pretty good name, though.