33 year old Zohran Mamdani, Democratic Socialist, wins the Democratic nomination for NYC mayor

Oh this is Mira Nair’s son?

I guess the dems really want Eric Adams to have a second term.

Considering how wrong almost everyone here was about Mamdani’s chances, I’m going to skeptical of your analysis, there R2.

Well, last time I voted for shady Adams because DeBlandio was such a disaster and it looks like this time I'll vote for Mamdani because Adams is a disaster. We're fucked. Again.

So this is 9 times outta ten going to be the next mayor of NYC. I hope Sliwa puts up a good fight.

R4 When we fight, we win.

If anything, it's more of an indicator how angry the rank-and-file Democrats are with the party's establishment.

[quote] I hope Sliwa puts up a good fight.

Your crypto-MAGA hat is showing.

He's certainly prettier than Adams or Sliwa: i'll give him that.

Big win for Cynthia Nixon.

He’s been politics for four years and has zero executive experience, But we’ll see how it plays out,

R7 Nothing MAGA about me or Curtis Sliwa. He denounced his Republican political affiliation when Trump became president the first time and has publicly criticized him on several occasions. Being tough on crime doesn’t mean one is a MAGA you fake liberal.

He's gay, right? Who here has had him?

Can someone please explain to me how DeBlasio was such a disaster? He wasn't so bad, really.

He was maybe annoying but that was his biggest sin.

R13, the average DLer is a white Fox News-watching retiree who attends Mass daily and keeps a "We Support Our Police" sign on their perfectly manicured lawn and calls the police if they see a person of color in their neighborhood, or at least sounds like one.

What he said

And yep

In his speech tonight, Lander said “Good fucking riddance” to Cuomo.

Lmao

For posterity.

R15 Drops the motherfucking mic. Not one lie told. I may start following that guy.

Watch the DNC pour tens of millions to help Eric Adams get reelected.

R21 If they do, say goodbye to the 2024 presidency. We’re tired of this shit.

^^Perhaps you meant 2028 presidency.

R21: And Cuomo won’t run as an Independent and get his supporters behind Adams.

R23 I did. Oooops. Drinking Moscow Mules.

I voted for him. Reluctantly. Im tired of the status quo

[quote Watch the DNC pour tens of millions to help Eric Adams get reelected.

Okay, I don’t know how the weather in Pittsburgh, or Chillicothe or wherever you are that’s clearly not New York City is, but it’s hot as balls here and I’m cranky.

But I’ll explain something: The incumbent mayor is so unpopular, he had to drop out of his own party’s primary because he knew he was going to lose.

If he can’t even manage a majority of Democratic primary voters (usually an extremely small percentage, Zohran was amazing at turning people out this year), do you really think that he can get a majority (or even a plurality) of the voters in the general?

No one can save the Democratic party if the "moderates" don't wake up to the blindlingly obvious reality that the old guards are both profoundly corrupt and abysmally clueless.

Mamdani was the one candidate who refused to sign the pledge to support Medicare for city workers. He supports putting them In privatized Medicare Advantage plans. He’s a nepo baby who aligns with all the progressive bs but won’t support Medicare when it counts. Couldn’t NY have voted for Brad Lander if they wanted a Progressive.. He at least supports Medicare.

The new guards will be just as corrupt. It will just take some time to realize it.

My God New York what have you done.

Two thoughts:

[bold]YAY!!![/bold]

and

holy shit this general election is gonna get ugly. AI videos of Mamdani as the 16th hijacker flying a United jet into the WTC. Doctored video of Mamdani selling trafficked muslim children into forced gender transition operations.

Brace yourselves for the shit to fly.

The new guard doesn’t support Medicare. How fucked is that?

Enjoy the homeless on buses and socialist grocery stores New York City!

What the hell are "socialist grocery stores?"

Are you okay, R34? Can we call someone to check in on you? I'm worried for you. You don't seem okay.

The turnout looks about the same as 2021 so about 27% of eligible voters.

Why are you lying R29 you dumb cunt?

[quote]Zohran Mamdani: He has not outlined a specific Medicaid policy, though his stance on maintaining health care access for working-class New Yorkers implies that he’s against Medicaid cuts. He’s also against moving retired New Yorkers to Medicare Advantage plans. These Advantage plans are often cheaper, but they may reduce the quality of care and have narrower provider networks, reducing access. Keeping people on Medicare plans instead of Advantage plans would prioritize access to care over potential cost savings for patients. He also advocated for the New York Health Care Act, which would provide universal healthcare in New York City.

R34: oh honey. Oh honey.

You really should pay us a visit sometime from Kansas. The homeless are a quite regular fixture on NYC buses.

Don't have a bead on the socialist grocery stores. Perhaps you've got that mixed up with Trader Joes? Flyover country has those too I hear.

R29 Because city workers don't need to be on Medicare. They need to have solid private insurance like the rest of the workforce in America. We are a country with privatized healthcare. They would bankrupt Medicare, dummy. Until we get single payer(NEVER BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE), this is the reality.

Proudly White Person Charlie Kirk is big mad, y'all.

[quote]24 years ago a group of Muslims killed 2,753 people on 9/11.

[quote]Now a Muslim Socialist is on pace to run New York City.

NY Organization of Retired City Workers asked candidates to pledge to support Medicare, Mamdani refused to sign the pledge unlike most other candidates. He did this because he was given support by a couple of corrupt union leaders who want to privatize Medicare for all retired city workers. I’m happy to be proven wrong but since he was almost alone is refusing to sign, I think city workers are screwed.

Welcome to the Caliphate.

The rich will still be rich.

R34- I'm sure he's a STRONG supporter of the legalization of theft just like Cynthia Nixon.

Similiar to the big, beautiful bill, cuts in Medicare and Medicaid free up funds in the budget. Free buses and cheap groceries don’t pay for themselves, you know.

Socialism for me and you.

The 65 million gender affirming care is weird but his other stands sound ok.

Also, since Fox News probably won’t explain this to you:

Cuomo conceded despite the RCV pending because of one simple fact. Anyone who was willing to vote for him probably either ranked him first, or only ranked him. Which means the election night number is probably close to his ceiling.

My money's on George Santos.

And Paperboy Love Prince loses. Again.

R41 He refused to sign the pledge for Medicare *Advantage*, which was a cheaper and worse version of Medicare you dumb bitch. He prefers the actual Medicare plan and supports universal healthcare.

R48 That’s why I love you Voice.

R52, you’re the dumb bitch. He refused to sign the pledge to keep Medicare. That’s why he wasn’t endorsed by the NYC Org retirees. This has been an ongoing battle for years with Adams and certain unions supporting the switch to Medicare Advantage,

My advice is to leave the city.

R53 Oh my. Somebody’s feeling froggy. How was your day boo?

I think those retirees gon get it together and be willing to leave their house, missing Price is Right and ultimately do the right thing.

Oy.

I don’t like the guy either but I guarantee you Cuomo would go back on his word to retirees in a heartbeat if he were elected. Look how he treated people in nursing homes.

LMAO watch New York go red in 2028.

I think he'll be elected mayor, but he'll end up being a noble failure, like the president of Chile. People like him just don't tend to get shit done.

I’m scared to death for New York right now!

Insane result, but expected. Nothing good or smart happens politically anymore.

This is a huge win for democracy. A guy who came from nowhere, without the huge donors behind him, and organically got supporters invested in him, and motivated huge numbers of young voters to come out and vote for him, this is what the Democratic Party needs, and it’s a definite rejection of the corrupt old guard. Even if you disagree with his policies you have to acknowledge the success of his campaign, and how democratic it is in comparison to how Cuomo ran his. Good news for NYC and its electorate.

R61, you nailed it.

R34 it is too funny how a particular type of American voter views “socialist” as an epithet.

R32 what’s ironic is that white people terrorized black Americans longer and more viciously than any religious zealot of Middle descent.

Middle eastern*

It’s pretty ironic how right wing populists are beating socialists in elections.

What do you mean (or think that you mean) by “socialism”, R46?

Well, America is voting for socialism and a Muslim (though his mother is Hindu). But more interesting is why Socialism and Islam? What is up with American young whites, especially women? I think a lot of people are looking at the freebies he is promising, which will destroy NYC.

And he is married, but for some reason, I feel like he is gay. There is something that just kind of pings me as gay, but maybe not as if he is, it would have come out in NYC.

R70 I personally believe all Middle Eastern men are bisexual.

He isn't of Middle Eastern descent.

New York is fucked if he somehow wins the election. Ideas and clever marketing aren’t exactly the primary qualities needed in an effective manager.

NYC is about to go third world. Nice knowing ya! Jews better get the hell outta there before it’s too late.

How are Democrats running someone when they already have Adams? Isn’t Adams a Democrat?

Here he is screaming defund the police 900 times. This includes: Queer liberation means defund the police.

R14

This is going to be a whole thing. The general will be interesting, and the grownups will rise up.

NYC voters under 40 broke for Mamdani because they didn't fully read about or appreciate what has happened in San Francisco and Portland under these uber-left mayors — disaster and now correction (via more moderate mayors).

I am left as left can be. I have lived on Avenue A for 25 years. I am sick of seeing 3-4 homeless and mentally disturbed people on my block at every hour of the day. I am sick of everything at Target and CVS being locked up in cases. I am not alone here, and now that Cuomo has been given his spanking, there is going to be a real conversation about crime and quality of life in the city, whether he's an independent candidate or not.

I find it very hard to support Mamdani because NYC is already San Francisco enough for me in all the worst ways.

R78, I don’t buy that at all. The country has simply lost its mind.

Zohran wants NYC to pay for trans medical care for minors. He better talk to Kamala about how that goes.

You don't buy WHAT exactly, R79?

[Quote] Zohran wants NYC to pay for trans medical care for minors. He better talk to Kamala about how that goes.

He's got Cynthia Nixon

Defund the police for queers!

[quote]LMAO watch New York go red in 2028.

Another sign that Democrats are going the way of the dodo.

The farther left they go and double down on far-left issues like defund the police and trans ideology, the more it hurts them in the end.

They're causing their own downfall and they don't realize it.

R64 the trouble with modern Democrats (i.e. globalists) is that they're trying to appeal to the world/foreigners instead of their fellow Americans (i.e. constituents).

It's a losing strategy in the long run.

NYC is a Democratic majority. They just elected their next mayor tonight. It’s over.

[quote]NYC is a Democratic majority. They just elected their next mayor tonight. It’s over.

No, no, R86. Let them have their tantrums.

r85 You do know where all your wealth comes from, right? Hint: it doesn't come from Americans trading with other Americans. So how do you intend to export shit if you're being an absolute cunt to the world?

You can appeal to domestic audiences without alienating the other 7.5 billion people in the world. Most countries do it, it's not rocket science. You only see it as a dichotomy because you're blinded by American exceptionalism, thinking it's you versus the world.

I will judge him based on his achievements five years from now. I said the same thing about Adams when he won his election, while the rest of you were busy losing your marbles. But then I'm gracious like that.

New York City slit its own throat.

r13: DeBlasio and his lesbian-ex-wife bilked millions from the city for her "Projects" that never came to fruition.

“Mister we could use a man like Michael Bloomberg again…

SOCIALISM! MUSLIM! SOCIALIST MUSLIM!! OH MY!!!! I'M MELTING....MELTING.....MELTING!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! HE'S GOING TO THROW GAYS OFF OF BUILDINGS! NO ONE IS SAFE!!! NO ONE!!!

A SOCIALIST MUSLIM! A SOCIALIST MUSLIM!! OH MY GOD!!! A SOCIALIST MUSLIM?!!? HOW COULD IT BE? A MUSLIM WHO IS SOCIALIST! A SOCIALIST MUSLIM!!! AND A FAILED RAPPER, TOO! A RAPPER!! A FAILED ONE!!

A FAILED SOCIALIST MUSLIM RAPPER!!!

OHMYGOD IJUSTCAN'T!!!

Oh Mamdani, you came and you gave hope without taking a single more cent of my salary Mamdani . . . Ok it was worth a try fir a comeback. Am I still alive?

Not too long ago I was in Berlin and Munich. You cannot believe what shitboxes American cities look like after being over there. Holy shit. NYC looked like a garbage dump to me, when I returned.

Lots of rightwingers posting on here.

Cuomo is thinking of running as in independent.

He will split votes with Adams

I'm ready to try a progressive. So far, what has being moderate gotten us?

[quote]The farther left they go and double down on far-left issues like defund the police and trans ideology, the more it hurts them in the end.

But extreme right wing got the GOP all three branches of government...

[quote]He will split votes with Adams

No one is going to vote for Adams.

De Blasio was a progressive. The city changed drastically under his time, getting dodgier by the year. By the time he left office, you could not find a single New Yorker who liked him. All of those young supporters who went crazy for him and told us Chris Quinn was a literal Nazi went into hiding or pretended they had never supported him.

[quote]De Blasio was a progressive. The city changed drastically under his time, getting dodgier by the year. By the time he left office, you could not find a single New Yorker who liked him.

Much of the animus against DeBlasio was his administration was a disorganized mess. He also couldn't balance progressivism with the actual needs of middle class New yorkers. Adams, though a right-leaning moderate, had some of the same failings.

Let's hope the next mayor has learned for those two.

Also, a NYC pastime is to hate the mayor, no matter what he does.

Middle class New Yorkers are an endangered species.

Zohran won for one reason -- A Vote Against Cuomo.

I love the trolls claiming Cuomo is going to surge in the general despite the fact that he couldn't survive a DemocratIc primary, or that Adams is suddenly going to be beloved because he's on the ballot under "independent."

It's not that these trolls have no clue about New York City politics, they have no clue about ANYTHING.

NYC needs a new Bloomberg, not another "visionary." It needs a manager, not an identity politician.

This should give any Republican running for NY Governor in 26 a big boost. Of course, an insane Trump could affect that race also,

Hochul is running for re-election next year. There’s no way she’s going to raise taxes to pay for free buses.

One of Bloomberg's legacies is cementing New York's place as a playground for the rich. Whole neighborhoods were emptied of their working- and middle-class residents and the super-wealthy moved in. Rents skyrocketed.

People are sick of it and they want someone to push back on the rule of the super-rich in NYC.

An anti-semitic and anti-woman Mayor at Gracie Mansion. Ugh Gen Z is destroying this country.

^^Free Palestine! Trans women are women!

[quote] I love the trolls claiming Cuomo is going to surge in the general despite the fact that he couldn't survive a DemocratIc primary, or that Adams is suddenly going to be beloved because he's on the ballot under "independent."

Cuomo didn’t do that well on Staten Island.

We were told by the trolls that there was no way Zohran would do well outside of Manhattan. He won all of Western Queens, most of Brooklyn (including most of the wealthier neighborhoods), Manhattan above 110th ST, Hell’s Kitchen, the LES, most of Midtown, Chelsea, TriBeCa, and FiDi. Plus about half of the Bronx and the more liberal parts of SI.

But sure, people are going to flock to the most unpopular mayor we’ve potentially ever had because of the scary Progressive.

R112 he is a muslim, a socialist, and a failed rapper. There is no way the people of New York City would ever vote for someone like that.

Well, as long as he doesn't practice taqiyya everything should be fine. But we won't know until he's in office.

He's anti-woman? Anti-semitic? Idk - lots of Jewish people and women voted for him. But you're smarter than they are, I guess

[quote]R73 New York is fucked if he somehow wins the election. Ideas and clever marketing aren’t exactly the primary qualities needed in an effective manager.

Yeah, he’d better start raping employees and suck billionaire cocks right away or he’ll get us nowhere!!!!

Lock your doors New Yorkers!!!

As I said when Trump won, let his idiot voters live with their decision while the rest of us sit back and watch the chaos. You all wanted Mamdani, then enjoy it. Don't come crying to us when it all blows up in your face.

I just hope he gets his own private security service. He can't rely on the NYPD.

Fran Lebowitz should be the Mayor of New York.

[quote]Don't come crying to us when it all blows up in your face.

R118, who the hell is "us?" Conservatives? Trolls? Flyovers who've never set foot in New York City?

R119, I hope you’re wrong, but as a native New Yorker, I know you may be right.

R86 Bitch please.

[quote]Enjoy the homeless on buses and socialist grocery stores New York City!

This has to be the dumbest post in DL history. Also proof that our resident trolls have never set foot in NYC if they think "homeless on buses" is some bridge-too-far that's never happened before. Laughable ignorance.

But really.... what is a "socialist grocery store?"

Though political coalitions have changed drastically in the past 2 years, NYC can and will elect a Republican; even if in today’s world that Republican has to be a hardcore liberal on cultural issues. Perhaps the most famous NYC mayors of all time are republicans— Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg.

Yes, I’m sure the NYPD is thrilled a big supporter of Defund the Police will be the next mayor. This was a Dem primary. Republicans won’t show up to vote until November. Not that Sliwa is a viable candidate.

[quote]who the hell is "us?" Conservatives? Trolls? Flyovers who've never set foot in New York City?

Democrats who understand the type of politician who needs to run the City. This guy is a progressive mistake. You'll see.

You better pray moderate Democrats, independents, and republicans rally around Adams. He wants to raise taxes on the 1% but only an Assemblyman (which he is right now) has the power to do that.

[quote]You better pray moderate Democrats, independents, and republicans rally around Adams

THE ENTIRE CITY HATES HIM.

There is no Republican who’s been thinking “I couldn’t vote for Adams as a Democrat, so thank God I can vote for him as an independent.”

Forget never having been to NYC, I don’t think some of you have ever left your own homes.

Okay, well we can bet we won't come "crying" to you, trollina.

You'll see.

[quote]Not that Sliwa is a viable candidate.

Sliwa is a loon, and he's old now.

I fully agree that NYC became too much a playground for wealth. At the same time, people need to careful what they wish for when it comes to alienating upper middle class and richer residents. All of Zohran’s plans are nonstarters without a wealthy tax base to support them.

The entire city doesn’t hate Adams. But all the white voters probably do. The black population of NYC is decreasing being replaced by other ethnic groups.

Can the Republicans replace Sliwa? It would seem like a good time for them to find some sort of a Bloomberg like figure to run, convince Adams to get off the ballot, and they can make this a race (and I say this to someone who has never voted for a Republican in my entire life).

[quote]The entire city doesn’t hate Adams

Sure, Jan.

This country is fucked.

I long for the days of reasonable, moderate leadership elected by voters that understand and appreciate the blessing that is stability in a chaotic world. Everyone on both sides just wants to burn everything down. Social media is largely to blame for this.

NYC will be yet another thing Republicans will be able to point to in order to win future elections. Progressives are idiotic communists who want a free for all. Everything George Soros touches turns to shit. He’s ruined one city after the next.

Mamdani’s Comment on ‘Intifada’ Motto Fuels Tension in Mayor’s Race

R137: Democrats own this nut job..

R124 But really.... what is a "socialist grocery store?"

Good question… maybe you should ask him how this would work?

Agree, R136, but I’d argue the leadership options are just a reflection of the populace. Reasonable, moderate people are a dying breed. Strong morals and values, which I don’t mean in a conservative or religious way but rather in a kindness and humanity way, are going by the wayside. Younger people have been raised in Avery strange and experimental way, and it’s coming out in our elections.

Rest in peace New York.

And yet the younger people are the ones who will run things and ultimately be responsible for the consequences.

Which is as it should be.

I think there should be a maximum voting age. 70 seems like a good cutoff.

Except in New York City, r143, a very large percentage of these young people will not even be here in 5 to 10 years. Of course people move away everywhere, but New York City is extremely transient and people who come here and make it their playground in their 20s often do not stay to raise families in their 30s 40s and 50s and beyond.

Wow the trolls came out damn. “I’m as left as left can be but…” 😂

There will be a max exodus to Florida. Mark my words.

On Twitter, people who make 100+K in yearly salary voted +13 for Zohran, but people who make <50K voted for Cuomo +6. That says something. It is the white middle class and others in that salary range who are enamored by socialist ideas. I have a feeling that most of the White educated class, including 60 to 80% of Jews, have no clue what socialism is, and they are getting swayed by savior mentality and virtue signaling. Higher education is influencing them. I know folks will say negative, but a lot of this extreme leftism came from leftist Jewish people until it blew up in their face with antisemitism. Even now, horrible people like Brad Lander, who is Jewish, cannot let go of leftism.

R147 there’s been months of “mark my words” on this site in relation to Zohran that have all proved incorrect so forgive me if nobody takes you seriously this time either.

Why do you see trolls, R146? That right there is the problem with politics, often from the left. What used to be debate and discussion is considered “trolling” or conservative or whatever if it stands in question of untested progressive ideas. Being a Democrat does not automatically mean being a far left socialist.

R150, the person who name-dropped "George Soros!!" is a troll.

R150 trolls exist in every corner of the internet. DL is full of them. Saying “the world is over” every third comment just because the New York electorate democratically elected a young Muslim man with more left politics than your typical dem (who would be center not left at all) is trolling. You’re trolling yourself, suggesting that any acknowledgment that someone is trolling is a “dishonest” feature of left wing voters. I ask direct questions of commenters on here all the time and hardly ever get a direct reply.

For instance a massive feature of the trolling against Zohran has been repeatedly saying he’s antisemitic, no such evidence exists. But the trolls accusing him of it will out loud say he’s a “terrorist”. Either religion based discrimination is bad or it’s not. Thus trolling.

[quote] We bombed Berlin to oblivion you dummy.

[quote] Not too long ago I was in Berlin and Munich. You cannot believe what shitboxes American cities look like after being over there. Holy shit. NYC looked like a garbage dump to me, when I returned.

"We need to run someone older and whiter, and spend $100 million on target research to understand why young people don't vote for Democrats."

[Quote] He’s been politics for four years and has zero executive experience,

Said the Trump supporter, even though Trump had no executive experience even after four years of being president.

And r153 they rebuilt it.

It's always striking to me how many DLers seem to be Fox viewers, repeating the bizarre right-wing party line.

Only Republicans care about terms like "socialist." Democrats are pragmatic and will expect results, and if they don't get them, Mr. Mamdani will get voted out next time. It's not a big deal, but some of you sound like the world is coming to an end.

"Trolls aren't real, it's all just 'debating'." is 100% something a troll would say.

[quote]It's always striking to me how many DLers seem to be Fox viewers, repeating the bizarre right-wing party line.

I've been saying this in every thread lately. The average DLer is indistinguishable from a white, elderly Fox News viewer who attends Mass daily and keeps a "We Support Our Police" sign on their perfectly manicured lawn. There is virtually no difference between what I read from those types here and what you can see on any other corner of the internet from typical conservatives. They claim they're not MAGA but they sound exactly like any other Republican from the last 50 years, yet they'll swear up and down that they're Democrats and "liberals."

If rich New Yorkers want to destroy their city, who is to stop them? And the same goes for educated whites and others who want to see an Islamic America, who is to stop them. They are getting taken in by mass media hysterics. The mass media are full of activists. Just see how Margrent Brennan interviews Democrats versus Republicans. She was wagging her finger at Marco Rubio and was visibly angry about the Iran strikes. That is not the function of a journalist. They carry out hit jobs on republican politicians rather than writing about their policies. The democrats have co-opted every cause under the sun and blame resistance towards their ideas as racist and coming from working-class whites. That way, they can blame working-class whites as resistance because any opposition to even one of their omniscient cause is racist. Blame the poor as racist and get educated whites to vote for them because educated whites recoil at being racist or thought of as racist, though they probably exclude others in the same way. A lot of DL gay whites are the same. I have encountered a lot of racism from gay whites and exclusion. But every day, I see DL gay whites spewing venom towards working-class whites and cheering for democrats. I am a realist, even if Republicans are racist, I prefer them as I can live a free life, and my talents are recognized. Even if they discriminate, they are not going to stop people from making money or leading a good life. But Democrats are dangerous, especially the current ones like AOC. Because she is peddling resentment and hatred. And she is lacking talent, but is making up by riling up resentment towards successful people. That is classic communist hatred. That is how Russia became one, and it led to the death of 40 million and upwards. So America needs to watch out.

R160 what I pick up on a lot is when DL commenters describe themselves as “liberals” that pertains only to their accessing equal rights as gay men and thats where it stops. Zero solidarity for any other groups fighting for their rights, and a right wing opinion on any other types of political debates or items, for instance negging all forms of protest, supporting police violence, being as pro capitalist as can be, quite racist, odd attitudes to foreigners, pro Israel etc etc but they hate trump so they clap themselves on the back for being “lifelong libs” it’s so odd. Like anyone with any intellectual scruples should be able to look at their actions and opinions in those instances and acknowledge how incongruous it all is but here we are.

[quote] And the same goes for educated whites

Yes. May we always be guided instead by the kindness and voter practicality of uneducated whites. They've done such a tremendous job at the ballot box thus far, especially at the federal level.

^^^The blatant "liberal" classism that brought us Trump.

I'm happy about this.

Everyone hates the Democratic Party because it's led by old, white establishment figures who keep pushing being moderates. Moderation lost us three branches of governmennt.

It's time to be younger and progressive.

[quote]Middle class New Yorkers are an endangered species.

Much of that is because the GOP Tax Law took so much money from blue cities and states to channel to red states.

[quote]This should give any Republican running for NY Governor in 26 a big boost.

Not is a world where Trump is president

NYC Dems elected Mamdani. No way that suddenly they will switch sides and vote for the Dem or for Adams in the general

R161 is a great example of why so many gays will vote for republicans/fascists -- using their few brain cells (they always remind me of orange cats) they think they're making a solid argument for their case when all they're really doing is whining about the fact that they can't get everything they want for their own lives. No understanding of the world at large. Only an understanding of how limited and unhappy their own life is. And so they vote for whatever will make their life better, with no compassion, kindness, or sympathy.

r166 it's a helluva lot more complicated than that.

R168, only 70k votes separate Cuomo and Manjani. That’s a very small percentage in such a big city. I do think Mamdami will win, and I will root for him if he does, but there is a world where Adams drops out and some other independent (not Cuomo) could coalesce the Cuomo and Republican voters.

*Mamdani

Trump won because of his POPULIST stances, not because of conservatism. The populism is what brought non-voters out in droves to vote for him. It's the same appeal that Bernie Sanders had. This is how you engage the average non-voter. The candidate who can energize his own party AND turn out usual non-voters wins. It's all about INTENSITY. The media has been missing this phenomenon for the last 10 years, because they are all about the establishment.

Mike Madrid:

The election results in NYC are looking like the polls aren’t picking up intensity.

The pundits missed it again.

Democrats want to flip tables over as much as Republicans did in their Tea Party moment. 🧵

Voters are absolutely sick and tired of establishment politics. It’s not ideological and that’s what the parties, pollsters and politicians are missing.

The consulting class keeps trying to explain this phenomenon in their own partisan box & they keep missing it.

One of the interesting things to look for is how working class Black and Brown residents voted. If these voters break left after moving towards Trump there’s a lot of water thrown on the ‘racial realignment’ narrative.

These voters are becoming more populist NOT more conservative

R169 - I have compassion. I have given thousands of dollars to people in need, non white gay men, who were looking not to be homeless. Every month, I contribute money towards projects in developing countries for child education. Folks like you who want to desperately virtue signal. You have no clue how bad the world is for gays. You have no clue how bad the world is in non democracies. Democrats are not good people, I hope you realize that. I was all for democrats until I realized that we will lose America if we keep supporting them, along with all our rights. You are under the impression that Republicans will be against gays, etc. But they may not like homosexuality being central, but they are still not Islamists. Democrats are co-opting Islamists; look at AOC and her anti-Jewish venom. Look at how they supported protests of every kind. They want chaos and mass media to support their causes. Democrats feel that because of their omni cause support, they are natural rulers. They want a party system, not a democracy. That is why they encourage violence, chaos. Dont go to J6. I know you will bring it up. But that is a bad aberration. Republicans dont go around calling for resistance when they get defeated. They dont go around inciting violence against policies they see as negative. Democrats can get away because the media is with them, and again, they think they are moral because of their omni cause.

R171 forgets that it was ranked choice voting. For everyone that voted someone else their #1, there were four other votes.

AOC is going to primary Schumer and win.

There’s no point even discussing this like grownups. The far-left has become as strident as MAGA. No one ever says a “I hear your point” or even a “okay, but.” Instead you just get called names or accused of being a closeted member of the other “side.”

R174 is certifiably looney tunes.

What happens if someone does a Luigi on Mamdani?

Do they have to run the nomination again?

[quote]it's a helluva lot more complicated than that.

Not really. It's all about money coming for a city to spend on safety and infrastructure.

I hope so, R176 and I hope Senator Stern Letter is really nervous today.

I'm sick to fucking death of do-nothing moderate Dems. They're afraid of their own skin.

Let's try something else.

I don't remember a single NYC mayor in my lifetime that people actually liked the whole term.

r179: I am not a fan of Momdani but don't even think about such a thing happening to him.

R173 Cuomo won Blacks. Z won Latinos. [Based on precinct results only].

R148, white upper middle class whites can cosplay socialism because they live behind gates and live with security. The rest of the plebs can fuck themselves.

r180 real estate developers and foreign money coming in had a lot to do with it.

R282, yes, let’s try a do nothing self-avowed antisemetic socialist with no job history who demands that we defund the NYPD. Yep, that’s the ticket. More bodies on fire.

[quote]Everyone hates the Democratic Party because it's led by old, white establishment figures who keep pushing being moderates. Moderation lost us three branches of governmennt.

Riiiight, moderates like Biden and Harris running on tranny issues and taking a knee. That kind of moderation. The reason Dems lose is because the public seems them as far Left extremists.

If anything, Mamdani is with Kamala on paying for prisoners to have sex changes.

R186 that’s not how the broke down. Read the map.

the vote*

Those income figures are misleading. There’s an entirely different view based on the breakdown of ethnic groups by precinct.

R129 😂 Right.

[quote]yes, let’s try a do nothing self-avowed antisemetic socialist with no job history who demands that we defund the NYPD. Yep, that’s the ticket. More bodies on fire.

Not a single one of those things define Mamdani but you keep fucking your broomstick

I'm all for Democrats wanting to blow up the status quo, but Democrats go with safe, moderate choices because they can't count on their people to show up in every election, so they make up the difference with independents and non-MAGA republicans. When you have a lazy voter base, you have to find additional votes somewhere.

[quote]you keep fucking your broomstick

Pics please.

One of the big reasons Kamala lost -- despite running a moderate, Republican-embracing, kitchen table campaign that did not concentrate on identity issues, like all the "Im a liberal but..." people on DL seem to want -- was that she was viewed as the candidate of the status quo.

People hate that.

Change candidates win and a 67 year old ex-governor who is funded by the real estate industry and DoorDash is not that.

[quote]who demands that we defund the NYPD

My understanding is that he is no longer calling for this (and I seriously doubt he was ever calling to "defund the NYPD" anyway but rather just to review its budget, since New York has a truly enormous police department at a time when the city's crime rates are extremely low by historical standards).

But some of you are suckers for Fox News rhetoric.

He repeated “defund the NYPD” several times. That was always a stupid slogan that any prudent politician or public figure in general should’ve avoided. Anyone who’s instincts told them otherwise is someone I would question.

[quote]Yep, that’s the ticket

The 40 year old cultural references are what always crack me up about our resident trolls. Time really stopped for them at some point in the early 90s.

[quote]My understanding is that he is no longer calling for this (and I seriously doubt he was ever calling to "defund the NYPD" anyway but rather just to review its budget, since New York has a truly enormous police department at a time when the city's crime rates are extremely low by historical standards). But some of you are suckers for Fox News rhetoric.

Good to see the populist left copying the playbook of the populist right.

HE NEVER REALLY MEANT THAT THING HE DEFINITELY SAID, BUT YOU'RE A TROLL FOR BRINGING IT UP!

[quote]He repeated “defund the NYPD” several times.

He also described many times exactly what it meant. Stop giving money and responsibility to the NYPD so it grows uncontrollably and arrests people who actually need mental healthcare

R202, the problem is that slogans need to get their messages across effectively and succinctly.

The cop lovers are hysterical. They really think they're saying something when they defend fucking cops.

"You called for the police to be defunded?"

"When we called for the police to be defunded, we didn't mean defund the police we meant reform the police".

"So why wasn't your slogan "reform the police"?"

"Because defund means reform. We definitely didn't want the police budgets cut when we called for the police to be defunded"

"Defund means to remove funds"

"You're being pedestrian now"

"You mean pedantic?"

His policies are basically anarchist but I would lick his balls and suck his circumsized Muslim penis to completion .

Finally a real DataLounge voice of reason @ R206

There's approximately 3.4 million registered voters in NYC. Of those, 975,000 voted in this primary. Pretty pathetic when there's early and mail voting.

It's 175K more people than voted in the 2021 primary.

Zohran also ended up with more votes in this first round than Adams received after RCV was run.

The media and pundits got 2024 all wrong. Trump won because of his populist talk and rising prices, not because the country moved right. The public is sick and tired of business-as-usual politicians, which is what Kamala ran as. She even trotted out Liz Cheney for heaven sakes, just to pacify the NYT and CNN. That's not going to fly in 2026 and 2028. Nobody cares what traditional media thinks anymore. The Democratic candidates who can channel the desire for change will win.

Republicans are terrified of Mamdani, and for good reason. Just like Democrats were terrified of Trump.

R205 reform doesn’t make sense in relation to that slogan and I’ve never see in proffered as such. Defund specifically relates to the absolute insane financial spending on the over bloated police service. Seems totally braindead to get upset over the semantics of a slogan when the below is happening:

[quote] The NYPD spent nearly $1.1 billion on overtime during the 2024 fiscal year, which is $141 million more than the previous year, according to new data obtained by CBS News New York.

He makes AOC look like a MAGA. This guy is way out there. I'm not there so I don't care. But he is seriously WAAAAAY left wing. And don't believe the GOP is "afraid" of him. Their tagline is he has never even run an ICE CREAM STAND. He isn't a "rising star" with his position on taxpayer funded tranz medical care for minors.

[quote]It's 175K more people than voted in the 2021 primary.

[quote]Zohran also ended up with more votes in this first round than Adams received after RCV was run.

And also, it's only 90K less than voted in the 2021 general election.

[quote]The NYPD spent nearly $1.1 billion on overtime during the 2024 fiscal year, which is $141 million more than the previous year, according to new data obtained by CBS News New York.

That sounds like a REFORM issue to me.

If the existing workforce being paid that much JUST in overtime payments then it means something isn't working, unless your alleging NYPD are defrauding and claiming for overtime they're not doing?

R212 left wing politics brought every LGBT person every related advancement in their lives. It’s crazy how you dusty cranks have repurposed it as an insult. Nobody with a brain accepts that btw you sound like a dickhead. He is the definition of a rising star, and I’d say the Repubs are paying a lot of attention to him. They’d be stupid not to.

R194 is another antisemite stinking up the site.

[quote] If the existing workforce being paid that much JUST in overtime payments then it means something isn't working, unless your alleging NYPD are defrauding and claiming for overtime they're not doing?

R214 why not both? I bet if you reduced the overtime rate, the amount of overtime claimed would magically drop alongside that.

[quote][R214] why not both? I bet if you reduced the overtime rate, the amount of overtime claimed would magically drop alongside that.

But is there a huge amount overtime being paid because there aren't enough officers to fill shifts and they're working with X amount of vacancies?

In that case cutting funding won't work and will make people less safe.

Reforming the service, such as ringfencing crime prevention, working with social services on repeat offenders, will save money and make people safer but you frame it as investing in the service, not cutting it.

However you try and spin it, DEFUND THE POLICE was a catastrophic failure for the left.

R219 the highest claimant in overtime was a 19 year old administrative cop. Never left her desk. $204,000 in overtime claimed on top of her $164,000 salary plus benefits. I think this knowledge would make people feel more pissed off rather than more safe tbh. It should be framed as clamping down on an unethical group of cops taking advantage of a system that does not audit them at all. Also all of these ideas need a slogan, you can’t run on “ring fencing crime prevention, working with social services on repeat offenders etc.” Altho I agree that is contained under the umbrella.

And lastly, maybe it wasn’t such a failure for the left if a candidate that clearly has or had that as part of his political beliefs just won the dem primary for mayor of the largest city in the country. These things can take time to settle in public consciousness. Especially when the political machines and massive amounts of monies are categorically against any politics that threaten established institutions or how the rich live their lives.

Well if true R219 and a teenager is earning $300k a year for a desk job, then that sounds like fraud, but again DEFUND is the wrong slogan to get people on board

I think his free everything for everyone platform is a fraud and I don't agree with anything else he believes in at all but it's clear as day why he won. He made it clear he was about affordability (rent, daycare) and he was able to sell it. People knew what he was about. Second, he was incredibly accessible and flawlessly used TikTok and social media to reach young people where they are. Third, he was a joyful warrior. Sure his free buses/rent agenda might be bogus but his good looks and million dollar smile made people believe it anyway. The bottom line is we don't know what he'll do in practice and I could see some people who voted for him in the primary vote for somebody else in November.

Including benefits, she’s earning just over $400,000 for a desk job. There’s also no need for a “if true” go google it yourself. It’s publicly available info.

You keep quibbling about semantics and allow these corrupt cops to get away with it. They love you doing their job for them and keeping any meaningful oversight at bay ;)

[quote][R219] the highest claimant in overtime was a 19 year old administrative cop. Never left her desk.

Ok, so she isn't 19 years old, she's 51 and has been working at the NYPD for 19 years. But yes, it sounds like she's a fraudster.

[quote]At a heated city council budget hearing in May, the NYPD’s top brass attributed at least $168 million in unplanned overtime pay to policing anti-Israel protests and migrant shelters.

And if these events are happing regularly, how do you expect them to be policed?

I want free bus rides and childcare! I want an android body. Be young and beautiful. I’ll live forever!

Shitty candidates and the least shitty won. Good luck, NYC

She’s black so it’s okay.

R224 misread the number / age excuse my error. Yes she is absolutely a fraud.

lol everything is the pro palestine protestors fault isn't it. Throw in migrants for good measure it's Fox at 5 soup. You don't seriously believe or accept that do you? Jesus.

$1.1bn with 34,000 cops = $32,500 per cop. This is an enormous amount of money per person. Teachers salaries are double this. They're not allowed to claim overtime.

Do you know what would happen if I put in for $200,000 overtime at my job in a 'trust me bro i was busy' way? I'd be laughed out of the place. And fired. You people will hysterically fuss over reducing the fares for buses and then turn around and do a 'WHAT CAN U EXPECT HOW ELSE CAN THEY DO THEIR POLICEWORK >:(' it's so funny.

NYMag got it wrong. This was about generational change but just not the way that they expected it to go.

I'm scared for the future of NYC but Cuomo's loss isn't really that shocking. How do you sell a candidate with zero charisma and tons of toxic baggage? Second, Cuomo's team kept him away from the press and the voters for the vast majority of the campaign. Mamdani was everywhere and he was able to sell his bullshit and have some fun with it. Kamala couldn't connect with working class/middle class voters or explain how an opportunity economy would help them, and she had zero charisma.

A lot of the older people who would have voted for Cuomo didn't want to brave the heat wave.

The future is yours to fuck up, millennials and gen Zrs. You can't do a worse job than Trump.

Listen up Democrats and Republicans: millennials and gen zrs are the majority now.

[quote] A lot of the older people who would have voted for Cuomo didn't want to brave the heat wave.

COPE!

I love reading all the right wing freaks losing their bowels over this.

Oh boohoo, R231. Older voters didn't get their way in politics for once. Somebody bust out the world's tiniest violin.

Blacks, Latinos, and poor people voted for Cuomo. Asians and white people voted for Mamdani.

The orange lunatic weighs in on Truth Social, because he apparently doesn't have anything better to do at the NATO Summit.

“It’s finally happened, the Democrats have crossed the line. Zohran Mamdani, a 100% Communist Lunatic, has just won the Dem Primary, and is on his way to becoming Mayor. We’ve had Radical Lefties before, but this is getting a little ridiculous. He looks TERRIBLE, his voice is grating, he’s not very smart, he’s got AOC+3, Dummies ALL, backing him, and even our Great Palestinian Senator, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, is groveling over him. Yes, this is a big moment in the History of our Country!

“I have an idea for the Democrats to bring them back into ‘play.’ After years of being left out in the cold, including suffering one of the Greatest Losses in History, the 2024 Presidential Election, the Democrats should nominate Low IQ Candidate, Jasmine Crockett, for President, and AOC+3 should be, respectively, Vice President, and three High Level Members of the Cabinet – Added together with our future Communist Mayor of New York City, Zohran Mamdani, and our Country is really SCREWED!”

Does anyone remember in 2008, when Barack Obama was running against John McCain, John McCain had a town hall in the closing days of the campaign just before election day? There were a lot of future Tea Party types making outrageous claims about Obama, including one elderly white lady who repeated the canard about him being a Muslim. McCain actually stopped the town hall to gently admonish her, state that Barack Obama was a decent man and a Christian that he had disagreements with about leader the country, before continuing with the town hall.

Anyway, that was almost 20 years ago and not only do I think we've regressed as a country since then, I sometimes feel like that crazy old lady posts here 900 times a day. Half of you sound exactly like her: ignorant and complacent in your own brainwashing by the conservative media.

That’s so reductive, R239. People are reacting to Mamdami’s stated policy proposals, not mumbo jumbo concocted over his “weird” name. Also, a lot of Jewish voters are truly scared in a very visceral. You might’ve seen that the US Holocaust Museum had to come out and condemn him. Whether you think it was overstate or not, that’s not something that happens in normal elections.

R240 yeah well there's nothing normal about politics anymore. Just read R239. THIS is the new normal. Get used to it.

Trump is such a dumbass. His vocal opposition to Mamdani will only help the guy.

Trump is scared to death of him.

[Quote] "So why wasn't your slogan "reform the police"?"

Because the “reform the police” slogan was used for a decade before with no change.

You have to scare the police with the threat of decreased funding if they are going to change

Trump won with a progressive message—lower grocery prices, better healthcare, no taxes on tips and SS, lower child care costs.

All of it was BS, of course, but people react to progressive messages. This tells a people want progressive policies

R237 you’re lying. Latinos voted for Zohran. Your implicit Bernie bro comparison doesn’t hold water here :)

[Quote] Shitty candidates and the least shitty won.

People say that about every election no matter when and where it is. So original

[quote] People are reacting to Mamdami’s stated policy proposals, not mumbo jumbo concocted over his “weird” name.

We had a commenter on here calling him a terrorist yesterday R240. Several times. As well as multiple “he’s a Muslim!” Type of comments. Ive said it before, but if you supposedly take antisemitism seriously, then you should also take Islamophobia seriously, discrimination based on religion is either serious or it isn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

The holocaust museum did not have to come out and condemn him, they chose to. You say that this is not common to a ‘normal election’ I say it’s not coincidental to the first Muslim candidate to win a primary. I think this was a poor move by the holocaust museum. There is a real opportunity for a solidarity moment between Jewish and Muslim New Yorkers with Zohran placed where he is, and this was a fumble on that imho.

[Quote] The holocaust museum did not have to come out and condemn him, they chose to.

Did it really?? WTF

It’s the constant and purposely conflation of Israeli politics and antisemitism.

Israel is run by right wing loonies now. If you dare criticize them or Israel’s slaughtering in Gaza, you’re conveniently called anti-Semitic. It’s all of course BS to stop all comments.

He has never said anything negative about Jews at all. Never.

Muslims don’t automatically hate Jews. Let’s stop pretending all Muslims are right wing crazies

London has a progressive Muslim mayor and is doing fine

R249 -

The U.S. Holocaust Museum called him out for refusing to condemn the “globalize the intifada” term.

Mandami also wouldn't sign a resolution condemning the Holocaust.

Zohran is pro-Hamas. Brad Lander lost to Mamdani. This morning Jewish Brad is hugging him, saying all Democrats should come together. Brad sold out.

Yes, yes, no doubt the pogroms start the second Mamdani becomes mayor. Or, maybe, just maybe, he's not going to kill all the Jews, even if he has the temerity to give a fuck about the people getting slaughtered in Gaza.

Stop being the stupidest cunts in cuntville. Accept that somebody who doesn't begin by swearing allegiance to Israel first and foremost might be the mayor of New York. You'll survive.

How the fuck HARD would it have been to sign a fucking resolution condemning the Holocaust???

R253 R256 I think you guys should rethink how disingenuous your “antisemitism” callouts are, how easily they’re disproven, and what effect you think it has on the general public’s understanding of antisemitism, and what it means when someone accuses someone of it.

Honestly, he should've just signed it r256. But give me an honest answer: why the fuck was it necessary to present some fucking petition about some fucking event that happened 80 fucking years ago in a foreign country on another continent to a potential Mayor of New York City? Why? What was the real, honest, actual reason for that shit? Is it because everyone needs to go on the record as believing that Netanyahu and the current Israeli government is the be all end all of human civilization, never to be questioned or disagreed with in any way, ever, cause HOLOCAUST, or what?

ROFL lots of "not clear" in that article when they couldn't confirm what he actually did, and obfuscation from him and his team.

As for whether it was necessary to present the petition, that is totally beside the point. The point is that Holocaust might have happened 80 years ago but it is STILL causing repercussions today. You are an insensitive dolt. There is simply no excuse for him to not have signed it.

R259 you’re replying to two different people as if they’re one. You’re confused, your comment is confused, you can’t understand a normal news article.

Perhaps the fine people of NY are a little more worried about things happening right now in their city and not the problems of a foreign nation thousands of miles away? Is it possible that they are more worried about things affecting them immediately and not the neverending drama of the middle east?

[quote]Perhaps the fine people of NY are a little more worried about things happening right now in their city and not the problems of a foreign nation thousands of miles away? Is it possible that they are more worried about things affecting them immediately and not the neverending drama of the middle east?

Tell the students at the universities that.

Tell the people protesting that require constant police presence,

So there was shit at some universities r262, so nobody is actually allowed to care about anything else, ever? Please, just stop making Netanyahu the centerpiece of your love and attention. It's a bad look all around.

R71- I personally WISH all middle eastern and Indian and Muslim men were bisexual

Trump and Republicans are terrified of him. He connects with voters in the same way that Bernie Sanders and Trump did. Trump was scared of Bernie, too. He knew that he could beat Hillary, but was worried that Bernie would be much harder to beat.

It's very telling that voter turnout was so high for a primary. That's all due to Mamdani's appeal. When a candidate can bring out typical non-voters, and with such intensity, he's someone to watch.

[quote]Trump and Republicans are terrified of him. He connects with voters in the same way that Bernie Sanders and Trump did.

Come on. He would never play outside of a low turnout NYC primary.

Don't kid yourself - Trump is THRILLED Mamdani won. This makes the horrible Adams viable again.

high turnout primary r266, well relatively, but still, seems to be one of the higher turnout .

yeah, well, we'll see if the thoroughly corrupt and ridiculous Adams is anybody that anybody is going to rush toward r267.

Hey, remember when Adams was the heart and soul of the new Democratic Party, the guy that was gonna get all those damn lefties to shut up and work with the cunts on the right to build a beautiful new America?

I never thought I'd see the day when Americans would shame and attack other Americans for [bold]not supporting a foreign government,[/bold] but that's where we are I guess. If you aren't a full-blown propaganda outlet for the Israeli government constantly glazing Bibi Netanyahu and claiming all Palestinians are terrorists, you're branded as "anti-semitic." Weird, because I remember when conflating a Jewish identity with loyalty to Israel was the very definition of anti-semitic.

We finally have a democratic socialist winning the primary and people are mad because he’s not Jewish?

Does she smell cookies?

Yeah, what's the deal? Who's his boyfriend?

[QUOTE]How the fuck HARD would it have been to sign a fucking resolution condemning the Holocaust??

I wouldn't sign it on principal alone. Why the fuck should anyone sign something like that? It was nearly a century ago. And while it was a singularly horrific moment in time, it has also been exaggerated in ways that seem designed to maximize the perception of horror. For example, while I believe that 6 million Jewish people were killed during WWII by the Nazis and their state-based and community-based allies, I think it is far fetched that half of them died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. Three million bodies incinerated with no trace left behind? Please. The vast majority were shot and left to die in a ditch somewhere. But that is not the maximally horrific scenario, is it?

So fuck no, I wouldn't sign that shit.

I don't need political theater to understand if someone values align with mine or if their character is trustworthy. Anyone who stoops to that level to score political points wouldn't get my vote. Besides, it's not like the people to whom such a gesture would be necessary would ever cross over and vote for that person. Signing the dumb pledge about a historical event that every decent person knows was wrong would be lose-lose for Mamdani, and those critics know that damn well. It's why they pushed for it in the first place and why they're still harping on it now. It's textbook gotcha politics, on par with "what is a woman?" It's designed to ensnare. It adds nothing to the discourse and offers nothing about the future. It's a litmus test designed to fail no matter the outcome.

And they know it.

Hi there. Can someone please point out the candidates' positions on the Armenian genocide? It's very important to how I'll vote in the general.

Thanks in advance!

Funny how the Holocaust Museum had nothing to say about Elon throwing sieg heil salutes at Trumpito's inauguration.

Rules must be different for Muslims or something.

I refuse to cast a vote until I hear him condemn the British Government's role in the Irish Famine. If he doesn't then he's clearly anti-Catholic.

I can’t even imagine the opposition research they’re gonna do on this guy. They’ll probably dig up everything he’s ever said or done since first grade.

Well, politics as usual is killing our democracy. Mamdani is definitely not politics as usual. Let's see.

I cannot support this man if he insists on hiding his opinions on who was to blame for the Battle of Kadesh.

Yes, they will r280, and none of it will convince anybody to vote for Eric Adams, or Curtis Sliwa, or Andrew Cuomo.

New York is full of Irish Catholics. He'd better issue a statement on the Famine very soon or else it's Mayor Adams 2.0. Irish Catholics are terrified! Mamdani going to send all the crops over to England and force them into workhouses and onto famine ships!

How about raising the NYC income tax to 15 percent to finance his plans?

And a 10 percent city sales tax.

[quote] Zohran is pro-Hamas.

The BS you hear when anyone calls out Isreal

[quote]Funny how the Holocaust Museum had nothing to say about Elon throwing sieg heil salutes at Trumpito's inauguration.

Oh, he was just excited!

and we want his donations...

He's cute. All is forgiven

He'll throw gays off roofs!!

In all likelihood he'll be a failed one-term Mayor and NYC will go back to center-left. It ebbs and flows.

Antedeluvian DLers predictably respond..

Cindy Adams is, as one would expect, losing it:

[quote]Slamdammy Mamdani? Eleven-year-old socialist? Know-nothing outsider with zero career background? Wants to change capitalist New York — since circa 1624 — financial capital of this planet? A nobody who’s anti-Israel? Anti-wealth? Anti-business? Progressive leftist favoring defunding the police, sleeping on the streets, grifters who steal, slash, don’t work and live off those who made New York capital of the world?

[quote]Mamdamnhe! One super VIP — and trust me, you can’t get higher than he is — told me he’ll vote now for our current mayor. Mamslamhim has actually enriched the chances of Eric Adams.

Idiot Americans, like Cindy Adams who should be worried more about the design of her casket than Mamdani, think that a socialist will suddenly change the economic flow of the city,

First, like Bernie and AOC, Mamdani is a DEMOCRATIC Socialist. These are people who believe in strong safetynets, not to change the entire economic system.

Second, all the socialist countries in Europe are actually capitalist countries with strong safetynets.

[quote]Know-nothing outsider with zero career background? Wants to change capitalist New York — since circa 1624 — financial capital of this planet? A nobody who’s anti-Israel? Anti-wealth? Anti-business? Progressive leftist favoring defunding the police, sleeping on the streets, grifters who steal, slash, don’t work and live off those who made New York capital of the world?

Insiders have caused NYC to go crappy.

No one is changing the capitalist base of the city

Is loving Israel and its right wing government should be a prerequisite?

Who says he's anti-wealth and anti-business? He's anti-corruption and capitalist excesses.

Progressive aren't for ending police depts, and certainly aren't for homeless sleeping on streets and grifters. In fact, it's capitalism's excesses that cause all this.

Cindy Adams is a huge Trumper just like everyone in this thread who agrees with her.

Oy Cindy Adams is still above ground . Who knew.

Jesus Fuck, I'd rather hear from Cindy Brady. Seriously, this old bitch thinks anybody cares about her opinion on anything this century? But hey, at least she's up on Judge Judy's latest project!

The posters here using socialism as some boogeyman must be the same age as Cindy Adams.

God help us all.

No más

R37 is racism in here is unbelievable.

I can't wait for him to be elected. Get all the pig racists really triggered.

Enjoy the decline in income and safety.

R29 That is a lie. Zohran Mamdani opposes privatized Medicare Advantage plans and has pledged to reject them, aligning with progressive values and Brad Lander’s stance. Calling him a "nepo baby" is a cheap shot that ignores his substantive policies, like taxing the wealthy and protecting retirees’ healthcare. Check the facts—THE CITY and New York Daily News confirm Mamdani’s commitment to traditional Medicare. Stop spreading misinformation.

R303 Enjoy being a vile racist bigot.

R299 JOEY Adams!

The only people experiencing a decline in income will barely notice it. Yes, we're all supposed to pretend that if a billionaire pays higher taxes the tears will never end, but really, they'll barely notice their traumatic decline in income.

R253 LIES. Mamdani didn’t “refuse” to condemn “globalize the intifada”—he framed it as a cry for Palestinian rights, though his Warsaw Ghetto analogy got a side-eye from the Holocaust Museum for being sloppy, per X chatter. He’s since clapped back, swearing he’s no antisemite and sharing his own run-ins with hate.

And that bit about not signing a Holocaust-condemning resolution? Pure fiction.—no trace of it in THE CITY or NY Daily News. Mamdani’s out here fighting for Medicare and taxing the 1%, not dodging history.

R86 hopefully. And we can watch all the klan grannies here sperg out

We already have a gay sex scandal ready to go.

This represents a true changing of the guard.

[quote] He’s been politics for four years and has zero executive experience, But we’ll see how it plays out,

I cracked up when i heard a MAGA enthusiast use this same talking point on CNN.

Trump was elected in 2016 with zero political experience--he had never ever held elective office beforehand. And yet they had no problem with that.

R312 Not enough experience is just a dog whistle that old people use to hoard positions for themselves and exclude younger people from the ivory towers that they enjoy

He literally grew up in an ivory tower LOL.

Gen Z replaces thinking with feeling.

R315 You all have had your decades long moment in the sun. Wouldn't you say it's time to let someone else have a shot and screw things up as badly as you have?

Mamdani wants government run grocery stores, plans to make public busses free, is pledging to freeze rent prices and wants to borrow $70 billion for more affordable housing.

In the past he's called to defund the police, to ban all guns, create safe injection sites for drug use and decriminalize sex work i.e. New York City will become the east coast San Francisco

R317: He’s too extreme for even The New York Times.

He has no power to freeze rents.

Zohran Mamdani Says He’s a Democratic Socialist. What Does That Mean? NYTimes

The term has no singular definition. But simply put, it’s an ideology rooted in its opposition to capitalism and wanting to shift power from corporations to workers.

In the United States, the policies that self-described democratic socialists advocate for generally do not involve the complete abolition of capitalism, but rather working within the system to enact left-wing priorities, such as raising the minimum wage. That makes them closer to social democrats — a common ideology in Europe that emphasizes strong social safety nets and government involvement in areas like health care — than traditional democratic socialists, who tend to see less room for compromise around capitalism. Either way, it places them further to the left than the average Democrat.

Bill Clinton congratulated him.

Bill Clinton@BillClinton

9h Congratulations @ZohranKMamdani on your victory in yesterday’s primary election and a well-run campaign. I’m wishing you much success in November and beyond as you work to bring New Yorkers together to tackle the city’s challenges and shape a stronger, fairer future.

[quote] He literally grew up in an ivory tower

A tower made of ivory? Those poor elephants.

If an Ivy League subsidized high rise apartment is not living in an ivory tower, then I don’t know what is.

[quote] If an Ivy League subsidized high rise apartment is not living in an ivory tower, then I don’t know what is.

Governors mansion?

Like a harbinger of things to come, Gen X just got skipped over in the list of New York mayors.

Oh yes a Muslim is definitely going to bring New Yorkers together. It certainly has enough tall buildings.

R326. Exactly. Why not keep voting for the same ol same ol status quo which hasn't worked before. Because insanity is doing the same thing multiple times and expecting a different result.

Him being a Muslim has nothing to do with it. I'm not a supporter of his, but thats racist bullshit.

Islam is not a race. Islam is a imperialist ideology, the goal of which is a global caliphate. This is no secret. They repeat it and enact it continually. It is happening throughout the dar al Harb (the house of war, non-muslim countries) that is not yet the dar al islam (the house of islam, countries already islamic). Look at what is going in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. There is ample evidence available to all about where all this will go, it has happened in 56 countries that were once Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, etc.

I think people are just too frightened to see the truth and the implications.

R315 "Vibes" not "feelings"... feelings is something rooted in psychology and personal history. Vibes is something replicated by memes et. al.

R329 You describe something real... among a very small extremist minority of Muslims. A similar, but much more dangerous ideology to the United State... are extreme right wing Christianist authoritarians who want fundamentalist interpretations of the Bible to inform all our laws (keeping women in their place, attacking science, criminalizing gay people, privileging white people, etc.) and welcome Gog attacking Magog to incite Armageddon opening the way to create a Christo-fascist international government who will prepare the way for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

R331, that is an argument that really holds no water. Islam is imperialistic and violent to its core, starting with there own prophet. The fact of the matter, the allegedly peaceful muslim say and do nothing to counter the supposed jihadist 10% (that's 190 million people, but is probably more). We now have crowd of islamic terror supporters chanting "death to America" and "globalize the intifada" on our streets and muslims don't say a word against it.

The alleged peaceful muslims are enablers and irrelevant.

r331 the thing is that liberals/progressives have no problem whatsoever telling Christian Fundamentalists to go fuck themselves. There is zero tolerance for their bullshit. No so with Muslims.

R333 Yes and no. Now pay attention: Christian fascists are in control of the United States Federal Government, and to a degree the Supreme Court. They explicitly are working to change the foundational principles of the Republic. Your Islamicist threat is external... with projected terrorist attacks on selected targets. The Christo-fascist project has US troops on the streets RIGHT NOW all over the country.

The threats are no remotely on the same scale. Should an radical Islamicist be elected President with the goal of instituted Sharia Law in the country, you'd see more liberal/progressives using "go fuck yourselves" in ways you desire.

[quote]Christian fascists are in control of the United States Federal Government, and to a degree the Supreme Court.

The thing is a Christian theocracy can never happen in a country as diverse as the US and we do have elections. Republicans will not be in power forever. And we've had conservative governments before, the US is always changing. Trump is a shit president but we'll survive him and continue to evolve as a country.

[quote][R331] the thing is that liberals/progressives have no problem whatsoever telling Christian Fundamentalists to go fuck themselves. There is zero tolerance for their bullshit. No so with Muslims.

Because they're brown!

Progressives only see skin color -- white equals evil, whereas the darker your skin, the more of a victim of the (white) man you are.

And they have the nerve to call others racist.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions that originated in the Middle East (in that order) but only Muslims get woke progressives' support/sympathy, because their skin is a darker shade.

Ha you gals are taking this really badly lol.

NYC hasn't had a very good mayor in decades, so if Mamdani wins he'll probably also be another disaster.

When he won't be able to do any of the things he's promised - and he won't, let's be realistic, nobody could - will his most fervent supporters turn against him?

I'm a Democrat, I'd never vote for a Republican. I wouldn't have voted for Cuomo either, he disgusts me. But I am realistic and even if I didn't have serious questions about Mamdani, I would be skeptical that he'd do any better than any of the previous disasters.

He won with a diverse coalition by pushing economic equity and youth. This is not going away.

I agree R340. He will very likely be a one-term mayor. It will be such a great "told you so" to his dimwitted voters when that bus and grocery store never happen.

R339 wrong. Bloomberg was very good.

Bullshit. Bloomberg handed over the city to the 1%.

Sure, Jan.

Another Mike would have been elected in a landslide on Tuesday.

He can "push" anything he wants. Talk is cheap.

What will his supporters do when he can't carry out his campaign promises? Will they turn against him?

Get out your hijabs ladies.

R347 and what if he can? You gals were certain last week he had no chance of winning, and now you’re certain he won’t be able to achieve any goals. You saying he won’t be able to do something, with no context or info as to why, has no credibility sorry.

I asked what it he CAN'T, R349. Why can't you answer the question?

If he can - great. I'll celebrate. But given his lack of experience and the failures of so many of his predecessors it's only being realistic to think that he won't. What then? Will there be protests against him? Sit ins?

Some of his ideas don't seem all that radical, although the whores of the rich will be shrieking bloody murder about them all, if he becomes mayor as seems likely. But really, ONE city owned and operated grocery store in each borough, just as an option, preferably in a food desert already rejected by all privately owned grocery stores? The horror, the trauma of it all. No rent increase on already rent-stabilized apartments? Why, that's STALINISM right there, y'all, they might as well start killing all the rich people, cause it's gonna be mayhem in the streets!

The hysterics every time somebody doesn't pledge to love, honor, and above all obey super rich fuckers is absolutely ridiculous in this country.

[quote]What will his supporters do when he can't carry out his campaign promises? Will they turn against him?

[quote]I asked what it he CAN'T, R349. Why can't you answer the question?

Not r349, but here is the answer: As happens in any democracy, he will be voted out.

Doing something for families that need childcare, assuring that there is enough housing so there are fewer homeless, looking at changing and improving the systems that provide food so there are fewer hungry, exploring the efficacy of current healthcare systems to see if there are more efficient ways to have a healthier population, evaluating community safety to achieve fewer crimes, keeping the roads repaired and public transportation clean, dependable and affordable...

In short, improving the quality of life for New Yorkers.

Some may call it "socialism", so be it.

[quote]ONE city owned and operated grocery store in each borough, just as an option, preferably in a food desert already rejected by all privately owned grocery stores?

The privately owned grocery stores operate at a loss in those kinds of neighborhoods because of all the theft. So a city-owned grocery store will also operate at a loss, but those losses will be covered by taxpayers.

R350 yea you didn’t ask “what if he can’t?” You asked “when he can’t” which are two entirely different meanings. And you fucked up your sentence in your second comment lol. You don’t seem to have such a reliable mind tbh sorry.

Mamdani made an effort to find out what voters actually cared about. They care about money; they are not thrilled with the status quo, they want to do better. So that's what Mamdani campaigned on.

Cuomo didn't bother with that. He promised (at best) the same old-same old. He barely tried. When his PACs came in to try to save him, they went all in on fear and identity politics. That's a limited, uninspiring message.

It doesn't matter what voters "care about." It doesn't matter if his ideas are "radical."

He simply will not be able to DO what his voters "care about." What about that do you unrealistic fools not GET? Do you know ANYTHING about politics??

And you still won't answer the question about what his supporters will do when he fails. You really think they're just gonna be quiet, lay low and wait 4 years to not vote for him? Really? His fervent, vocal supporters who want all the things he's promising are just gonna say oh well and wait 4 years. Please.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is the real world.

I'm not a fan of the guy, but those of you going on about Antisemitism and his Muslim background are taking it too far.

My issues with this guy are the same issues I had with AOC, before she figured out how to get things done. I have issues with the whole Democratic-Socialist thing, and I'm not a Boomer or Old or MAGA or any such thing.

Maybe this guy, like AOC, will figure out how to get things done that doesn't alienate old school liberals and moderates. While some of you may say fuck old school liberals and moderates, it is not wise to burn everything to the ground or alienate the business class. Partnering with big business can produce great results and can help lay the foundation for a strong pro-people agenda.

He can't start five grocery stores. That's just a mathematical certainty r357? Why? He can't make buses free? Why?

And if the answer is, cause old, tired, stale, and braindead establishment types won't let him, then I think you have your answer as to should actually be blamed, and in that case maybe it will take more than one election to change things.

Good luck, New York. Looks like you'll take the pressure off of LA as the target of Trump's retribution. Hope you're ready.

R276 yes, a thousand time yes to your comment. I'm continually embarrassed for those who place such importance on these types of performative gestures as a "sign" their candidate is more trustworthy than others. People need to discipline themselves away from being taken in by performative gestures. Like R276, I don't need or want a symbolic representation acted out by a candidate that feels they have to accommodate the demands of various conduct gatekeepers. It's a completely bullshit expectation.

Yesterday was the most fun 24 hours online since the Trump and Musk public breakup. All social media because of displayed the melodramatic meltdowns by the dinosaurs in politics and media, racists and xenophobes, and troglodytes that are desperately, urgently afraid of change and progress. Loved seeing all of them being made fun of, ruthlessly, by all those who are no longer playing the game by the (made up) mandates set in place by the old guard politicians and corporate oligarchy. With the emerging generations becoming a larger percentage of the population, the parameters of the game have changed and will continue to change. If the oldsters and fraidy cats don't get out of the way, then they'll simply be trampled. Their choice, their consequences. Dump the Dinosaurs!

All social media displayed the (removing "because of")

NYC needs affordable housing, no city can be a playground for the 1%. It's unsustainable.

The same people who try to use the absurd "not all muslims" argument never say a word while American Jews are being harassed, intimidated and attacked by muslims and other islamic terror supporters.

"not all muslims" is obviously true. Honestly, do you think Zohran Mamdani is personally planning to blow up towers in New York City, cause you know, EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM is clearly doing that? And yes, there have been plenty of words said about Jews getting harassed, all over the fucking place, in every institution and in every media outlet. No, it is not simply being ignored cause everbody just luuuurrrrvvvesss them Mooossslims and can't say anything bad about them ever.

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The alleged moderate muslims are complicit in their deafening silence. Their core belief is that a mass murderer, enslaver, warlord, and rapist was a prophet of their God. Their foundational texts are rife with directives to kill, lie to, enslave and oppress non-muslims, much of it from the mouth of their prophet, who they believe is the ideal man. It is completely ridiculous and only a fool would tolerate it.

Mohammed was basically the Jim Jones of his day. A seriously fucked up individual.

[quote] He [bold]literally[/bold] grew up in an ivory tower LOL.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There's a prisspot here who is immensely triggered by the word literally.

And the second Christianity got just a whiff of political power, it began to act EXACTLY like Mohammed at his worst. Oh, Jesus wouldn't approve of inquisitions and forced conversions and conquest in his name? Who the fuck cared? They had a religion to spread, and the power to do it, and nobody gave a fuck if some goobers wandering around in ancient Judea were down with all the methods. And as for those Jews that Christians want to pretend they all love and support now? Fuck 'em, get with the program, acknowledge that your religious writings are exactly whatever the fuck we say they are, and either face oppression or pogroms or whatever for your "stubborness." Convert or die, bitches, to the religion of peace, love, and understanding.

Really, the only real world difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity got massively bitch-slapped by the Enlightenment, and Islam has managed to resist that, unfortunately for Islam, which could really use that Enlightenment.

I know exactly what it means. The term is defined and used separately from the individual words; it stands on its own. As a distinct term, it fits like a glove.

[quote] I know exactly what it means. The term is defined and used separately from the individual words; it stands on its own. As a distinct term, it fits like a glove.

I’m not the person thats been taking you to task over this R375 but wow this comment is too funny.

[quote]While some of you may say fuck old school liberals and moderates, it is not wise to burn everything to the ground or alienate the business class. Partnering with big business can produce great results and can help lay the foundation for a strong pro-people agenda.

Meanwhile, the disaster known as Eric Adams is meeting today with some of NYC's biggest landlords and crypto bros as they weigh backing his campaign.

Make way for the pro-people agenda!

Islam won't have an Enlightenment for a very long time. They're still in their Medieval phase.

Actually, R374, Christianity is based on the life of a man who killed no one, ordered the death of no one, owned no slaves, raped no women or children and nowhere in the Gospels does it order and sanctify to do these things as in the islamic texts.

Christianity spread peacefully for 200 years until Constantine, unfortunately, converted. Yes, it became political and violent. Meanwhile, Judeo-Christian values gave birth to the Enlightenment, the concepts of human rights, equality under the law, a robust judicial system. Was it all perfect, of course not, nothing human is. It gave birth to all the great, amazing things the West has produced in areas of art, medicine, technology, etc. Yes, islam contributed to these to some extent, but look at the islamic world today. There is no freedom of thought, religion, equal rights for women or humanity, incest is rife, honor killings are common, progress stopped centuries ago.

Anyone who tells the truth about mohammade or islam immediately becomes a target for execution, as is anyone who attempts to leave.

So bizarre that someone who is probably gay is defending this shitfest of hatred and intolerance.

Fantasy Christianity is based on all that r379. Real world Christianity, like all religions, is something else entirely.

Also, Judeo-Christian (a nonsense word) values did nothing of the sort. The Enlightenment came from people who were sick to death of Christian bullshit and tired of pretending to believe every word of it when so much of it was clear and present bullshit. It came from people finally saying fuck this noise, I want to know how to cure diseases for real and where all these species came from, for real, and why Christian government always seems to be based on horseshit and nonsense and whether we are all allowed to question that or not.

I do agree that Islam has tragically sunk back in on itself, and the great tragedy again is that it has maintained the kind of social control over many countries that Christianity once exercised in Europe and the Americas. I really do hope they break that stupid spell they have cast over themselves and learn to start thinking outside the sad and stupid box of religious orthodoxy. No, I am not interested in defending Islam. I am however not interested in telling bullshit fantasies about Christianity, which is not the same thing at all.

The non-muslims of the world really need to unite and start dealing with all this islamic bullshit. How anyone can support this ideology is beyond me and the height of profound ignorance and stupidity.

Does he really want government run grocery stores? They have them in Cuba and North Korea.

Le sigh. Deal with it how r381? Kill every Muslim, or maybe something a little more rational? Maybe try that thing we all pretend to value so highly: reasoning. Argue in favor of Enlightenment values? Sounds good to me. Blather about Christian values and pretend that if every Muslim country were a Christian country it would all be sweetness, love, and light? Nah, fuck that noise and that nonsense. Let's get back to argue strictly for the Enlightenment values that are the only things that ever made the United States worth having.

And no, r382, he wants to try an experiment where there is one, count it, one government run grocery store in each borough, if nothing else to fill a hole left by capitalism when capitalism decides, fuck it, these people ain't worth the effort to having a grocery store in their area.

New Hampshire has state-run liquor stores and that's pretty much "socialism," isn't it?

My uncle worked in the oil and gas industry for decades and spent a lot of time in several Middle Eastern countries. He said the whole region should just be bombed into glass.

Your uncle is a genocidal maniac r385. Please make a note of it.

Cuomo won’t take no for an answer.

He was speaking figuratively you ignorant dumbass r386

Really? And that would be your attitude if he said all of Israel should be bombed into oblivion? Or the U.S.? Or Western Europe? You'd be totally cool with that, cause, hey, fuck it, it's just a figure of speech.

Guessing, no.

And what if he were an Arab saying that? Same diff. Just a guy using colorful language? No, not quite the same? Hmmm.

r389 get down off the cross, we need the wood. My uncle saw some insane shit in the Middle East. His takeaway was that life is pretty cheap in that region. It's a culture that Westerners can't really comprehend.

[quote]He simply will not be able to DO what his voters "care about." What about that do you unrealistic fools not GET? Do you know ANYTHING about politics??

Hi, political consultant disguised as a random troll.

Your posting history shows you're considerably more worried about Mamdani being a dirty dirty Muslim. Meanwhile, your continued insistence of confating "what if he can't" and "he definitely can't" is just sad.

I'd say just go with your original tlaking points adn accuse him of supporting islamofasicsm. You're better at that.

He's going to suck as Mayor just as all of his predecessors have sucked as Mayor.

Got it r390. Your uncle saw some shit, saw some people who seemed to hold life as cheap, and decided, yup, me too, life is cheap and we may as well kill a bunch of people. He seems to have understood that particular culture quite well, and even embraced it. Almost like a genocidal maniac.

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum explicitly condemned Zohran Mamdani's comparison of the slogan “Globalize the Intifada” to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It is almost disgusting what Zohran said and it is going to be something he MUST apologize for. I doubt he will.

Oh just go hang on your fucking cross r393 you bloviating piece of shit. My uncle spent 30 years in that region and he said it's beyond fucked up. And there is no "culture" to really speak of, it's all theocracy and brainwashing.

When you see the way women are treated in Islamic countries, including being beaten by their husbands in public, you lose your taste for defending them pretty fast.

Cuomo and Adams are now both going to run as an independent which will split the vote for this ultra woke novice who grew up with a golden spoon in his rectum, yikes!

No, r397. The only votes split will be the same old, tired, dead inside, kinda sorta liberal that has long since given up. Mamdani will be just fine with actual progressives and liberals.

Better idea that having Nyc open grocery stores. Subsidize Aldi or Lidl or another discount chain and give qualifying people vouchers. Obtain the benefit of existing supply chains and years of experience.

The problem with all public-private partnerships is that corporations always find a way to fuck around with the deal and fuck over the people they are being paid to help. It actually would be more straightforward to just build a few stores in completely underserved areas and run them yourself.

Honestly, why would giving Aldi a ton of money to help the poor incentivize them in any way to open stores in areas where they don't want to open stores already? How much of that money would just be a gift to a corporation that will do fuck all to actually expand service to poor neighborhoods? And everyone knows those vouchers would turn into a bunch of bureaucratic fuckery and nonsense that would leave most people out of the loop, and a bunch of fuckers pissed off that those poor people are getting free food and I'm not, dammit!

"This represents a true changing of the guard"

Nah, it's the same sentiment that was propelling Kamala to victory. Then the votes disappeared.

City-owned grocery stores are a great way to pour money down a hole. It's been done in exactly one community in no way comparable to NYC.

where was that r402?

And was it the government taking over all or most grocery stores, or running one in competition with the others?

Kansas has two in rural areas.

The hysteria is hilarious.

This thread shows why we can never have anything nice.

We tried nice, bitch, we're onto Fuck 'em.

Cuomo is done. The business community won't give him a penny. Adams' only fighting chance is if he's able to get the business, real estate, unions, and Hasidic communities behind him and ensure Cuomo isn't on the ballot at all.

Some Democrats are hyperventilating at the prospect that the party has finally found their next Obama. In the long run though, the Democratic Party is truly fucked. If Mamdani wins, the city will crater along with the party.

r410 has stated her boundaries, and everyone else's.

Please like he understands the plight of working class people. He's never had a real private sector job. He's never experienced a rough day in his life.

The whores of the rich are going to have to decide something: is he a wild eyed radical who will kill everyone in sight? Or is he a limousine liberal who doesn't care about any of it and is just running to annoy you?

Please choose wisely.

Being the mayor of NYC is a thankless, dead-end job.

R390, which countries? Not doubting you, just curious.

From Obama to Trump to AOC to now Mamdani. Time and time again voters have shown they could give two shits about experience.

"The commies are coming for the supermarkets! Git yer guns!"

r404 -- No, socialist grocery stores are operated by the city and sell genetically modified food grown in vertical farms located in Manhattan.

The farms will add much-needed green space to the city and absorb heat. Genetic modification is necessary to grow, say, apples or wheat on vines. AI will develop innovative recipes to turn all those fruits, vegetables, and greens into meat and dairy products.

If a building doesn't want vertical gardens, it can offer its rooftop, balconies, or pay higher real estate taxes. If restaurants decline it, they too can pay additional taxes.

The food will be offered at cost or deeply discounted, depending on the New Yorker's ability to pay.

Zohran Mamdani's plans for New York City include:

Rent Freeze: Freezing rents for rent-stabilized tenants to prevent displacement

Affordable Housing: Constructing 200,000 new affordable, union-built, rent-stabilized units over 10 years . Public Transportation: Implementing fare-free city buses to increase ridership and reduce congestion

Universal Childcare: Offering free childcare for every New Yorker aged 6 weeks to 5 years2

City-Owned Grocery Stores: Creating city-owned grocery stores that buy and sell at wholesale prices to reduce costs for families

Creating a Department of Community Safety and investments in citywide mental health programs and crisis response

A 2% tax on residents earning above 1 million annually

Raising the corporate tax rate to 11.5 percent

Many corporations have left New York in the last 7 years leaving behind many vacant office spaces many of which are being turned into apartments. When they leave they take jobs and tax revenue with them.

Good luck NY

Mamdani will allow crime to flourish in poor neighborhoods with his policies.

Zohran Mamdani earned a Bachelor's Degree in Africana Studies from Bowdoin College in 2014. He also graduated from the Bronx High School of Science.

NYC Jews and the NYC business community are against this guy. Let's see how ZM navigates these 2 groups over the summer/fall.

That entire list at R419 sounds like de Blasio's list.

'New York City's Democratic mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani has said he wants to "shift the tax burden" to "richer and whiter neighborhoods" if he secures election in November.

A housing policy document on Mamdani's official website includes a pledge to "shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and whiter neighborhoods."

Not the sharpest tool in all the Home Depots and Lowes in the US. Another Dem Disaster in the making.

[quote]Zohran Mamdani earned a Bachelor's Degree in Africana Studies from Bowdoin College in 2014.

A degree such as this one = "my family is rich and I will never have to work a day in my life or worry about money."

R419 I agree. I am unsure how New Yorkers think voting for these proposals is a good idea. It all sounds great. A utopia. But I have a feeling that most young white voters and other races voted based on feelings for a good-looking young Muslim man who wants to wage a global intifada against America and Jews. Most whites and other young people these days in the blue areas of the country are self-loathing and grew up on a steady diet of how America is racist, horrible, etc, so I am not surprised.

Democrats keep thinking we will tax the rich. But at some point they can only wring so much out of taxes. More taxes also mean less spending, which will cascade into less economic activity and fewer jobs in the service industry, such as restaurants, etc.

Free groceries. Does he have any idea how to even start? Groceries, especially perishable goods, don't make much money and run at a loss. It also means wages, hiring, pensions, social security, etc, and overhead costs such as electricity, cold storage. It also means establishing procurement and supply chains. It also means hiring a lot of people and establishing a corporate structure. Does he even know how expensive and time-consuming these are? That is why there are food stamps.

Free fares will lead to degradation of service. It is already heavily subsidized and unionized. The costs of running public transportation are enormous. I think he has no clue about pensions, retirement costs, maintenance, fleet turnover, etc. There are no free fares even in communist countries.

Taxes on people who make 1 million will make people leave, as they already pay lots of taxes.

Free or subsidizing housing, I have an idea that he has no clue about construction costs. Hiring unionized labor for construction is hugely expensive. The government will have to swallow millions of dollars and give away free units. Same with rent stabilization. This is a distortion of the market. If the landlords cannot raise rents to cover maintenance, then they will give up on them entirely. Does he think there are no maintenance costs? Free child care - So no limit on free child care. How much will this cost?

The policies are so crazy that if implemented will ruin the city completely. If these things were so easy to implement, every country would have done so. Please don't point to European countries or Scandinavian countries. Most of the Scandinavian countries have small populations, and they tax at a 60% rate. Also, Norway gets huge oil revenues, which it can use to subsidize many services. And the cost of services is scaled according to income levels.

Most young people in America have lost sight these days about ambition. Most of them choose to study the humanities and end up in NGOs, making them poor. When I first landed in America in my initial years, whenever I met some white person or anyone working in a non-profit, I used to say Wow, you are great and genuinely thought of them as doing noble things. These days, all I can think of them as big time losers with no ambition, including the journalists at the NYT, LAT, and WaPo.

This guy probably has a humanities degree and never worked a day in his life in a corporate environment. And NY folks think he will lead them. I could not sleep for many days, worried about America and the direction it has taken. A population that was hyper-focused on the economy has given way to a country of constant violence and agitation.

There currently is NO enforcement on bus fare evasion. I see it every single day. DeBlasio let it happen, and Adams lets it continue. It is disgusting to see people who are well off jumping on the bus and strolling by the scanner. Dems are to blame.

An antisemitic, anti-woman, and anti-white nepo baby who has never had a real job is about to become the next Mayor of New York. I guess Gen Z loves free everything and voters will vote for superficial and shallow reasons: his good looks.

Damn, they're going after him like they did to BARRAK HUSSEIN OBAMA. The donor class and conservatives have been triggered!

[quote] Democrats keep thinking we will tax the rich. But at some point they can only wring so much out of taxes.

The tax burden on the wealthy is a fraction of what is forty years ago.

Mamdani must condemn Saudi Arabia for its attacks on the WTC in 01. Good starting point.

R430 does not matter. I make good money and when I see how much I pay in taxes, I am like shit, if I had paid less, I would have taken a vacation somewhere nice. People will pay taxes as long as they think those will be utilized for fair redistribution. What this horrible racist Muslim man is proposing to do, and which a lot of people in NY think is great, is give away that money for free. Retirees will move out, and if corporations leave because they are also taxed, people will leave as well.

R412 Might want to review history of FDR and the New Deal.

There are actually government-run grocery stores in many many NY State rest stops right now! Cuomo started them in order to push locally made NY agricultural products, which isn't a terrible idea!

Also take a visit to any base and shop at their canteen, Rund bu the US Gov't

R428 I agree. I dont understand white young people, especially women. The other races are racist towards whites out of sheer envy due to the liberal economies, liberal cultures, and success. Instead of pushing back, all I see is whites having their assess up and saying fuck us please. Like voting to elect a genocidal maniac as a Mayor.

Mamdani is a Fidel Castro communist bent on wealth redistribution. He doesn't care who it harms as long as the people who don't work and don't want to work have a nice life in the city.

You seem like a normal and sane person!

Enough with the lazy Obama connections. Obama ran as a moderate Christian Democrat who had no history of debatably offensive comments.

White man's burden

Desperate people tend to flock to crappy leaders.

He's going to put a a burqua on the Statue of Liberty!

Subways are free for everyone except Jews, they pay 3x the fare!

City funded sex-changes for kindergarteners ON DEMAND!

Homos thrown off the Chrysler Building, MARY!

I swear establishment Democrats are the sorest losers. All of this takes me back to 2016 when y'all lost to Trump and still condemned the "Bernie Bro," anyone but yourselves. Like the Democratic establishment said back then, you better fall in line (and we're moving the line left).

Cuomo had all the money in the world and still lost. If the "Lets all worship Israel" message was as good as you all seem to think it is, why did he lose?

Poor NYC. I mean that is what it will become.

[quote] All of this takes me back to 2016 when y'all lost to Trump and still condemned the "Bernie Bro," anyone but yourselves.

Who is "y'all," precious? Who is "y'all"?

[quote] This guy probably has a humanities degree

NO!!!

That might mean he has an actual critical mind, and reads books!

We can't have THAT!

Are there really that many kooks on DL, or is it just one or two continually posting the same crap about Mamdani?

Not my problem.

He's struggling with black voters.

Hard to believe the city that was ground zero for the horrific 9/11 terrorist attack might elect a Muslim mayor. Wow.

Hard to believe that so many of you are determined to live forever in Groundhog Day, September 11th, 2001.

Wow.

Hard to believe that so many think this guy, the son of academics who was once a rapper and is just a American TikTok kid politician, has anything to do with the Saudi terrorists that hit NYC on 9/11, If you really care about this, you should be much, much more concerned with Trump cultivating MBS and the Kingdom.

Fun to watch the capitalists running scared. The Wall Street Journal and WaPo are running opinion piece after piece about how Mamdani is an antisemite and ruin NYC

Seasoned policians were in charge when we have 9/11z

How’d that work out?

[Quote] Mamdani is a Fidel Castro communist bent on wealth redistribution. He doesn't care who it harms as long as the people who don't work and don't want to work have a nice life in the city.

Great to know that capitalism doesn’t harm any one at all….

[Quote] Mamdani must condemn Saudi Arabia for its attacks on the WTC in 01. Good starting point.

Why specifically Mamdani? Why are t you demanding this of any other politician?

[Quote] NYC Jews and the NYC business community are against this guy. Let's see how ZM navigates these 2 groups over the summer/fall.

Right wing Jews are against him. The majority of NYC Jews support him

R457 Exactly. This:

[quote]Trump must condemn Saudi Arabia for its attacks on the WTC in 01.

Don't hold your breath.

Nobody in his right mind would connect Mamdani to the 911 Attacks. Mamdani must be able to condemn these attacks and not make it a conditional condemnation, which is what he does when talking about the brutal horrors of Muslim countries whether it be 911, gay rights, women's rights .

Mamdani's father is a professor at NYCs largest Pro Palestinian indoctrination center Columbia University

He was 9 years old on 9-11.

Sharia law in Chelsea. Muscle queens in burkas. At least they can all qualify for govt. paid housing and shop at a govt. food store. Sounds fun.

Brutal punishments for all of the everyday things you love? That’s Sharia Law. Swap out Muhammad for Jesus and it’s Evanangelical Christianity.

Evangelica Christianity has its paternalistic issues, but it doesn't compare to the horrors of being a gay, trans, atheist, Jewish, or woman in a Muslim country. I'm sure I missed a few "others" . You are basically marked for death if you live openly.

What talent does he actually have, besides smiling and reciting talking points?

That's what i thought

[quote]What talent does he actually have, besides smiling and reciting talking points?

He inspired people to reject Andrew Cuomo. That's an achievement.

He must renounce his heritage and all that he’s professed to stand for!-NBC news

^^^No, he inspired people to show their stupidity. There were two or three other people on the ballot mych more experienced and appropriate on the ballot.

His promise to Defund the police will happen on its own. Electing Zohran Mamdani NYC mayor would spur cop exodus, crime surge straight out of Batman’s ‘Gotham City’

I'm going to guess that about 2/3rds of the people posting don't live in the city.

Because I saw the reaction he got at Pride today.

Cry harder, Klan Grannies.

I didn't think that much of him... but the degree of angry responses and relentless stoopit attacks on him make me sit up and take notice. He's got some mojo I guess. Good for our politics.

if he can get things done without a spike in crime, without more items in stores under lock and key, without raising taxes, and without causing an exodus of Wall Street money which is needed in the USA's largest city, I am happy to see him succeed. I am just skeptical of his abilities. He is a child of privilege and wealth who has no idea what hard work is and no experience running anything.

r474: I'm with you. People understandably love the idea of Mamdani - he's a very feel-good "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" story and lord knows, the current crop of NY Dems is pretty pathetic and uninspiring. I'd feel more confident about him if he actually had some qualifications, and the fact that he loves that grifting crook deBlasio is disconcerting.

R463 have you been to Chelsea recently?

I'd prefer having a Muslim running NYC to having a convicted felon running the country.

Muslims hate gays and wish death upon us in the name of Allah. Simple. Just a little something to remember.

Rumi was completely in love with Shams. Just a little something to remember.

He has no idea that his policies will create fiscal holes and result in a decrease in the quality of services. Moreover, heaven forbid he gets elected, he'll constantly be at war with Hochul and Trump.

[Quote] I'm going to guess that about 2/3rds of the people posting don't live in the city.

[Quote] Because I saw the reaction he got at Pride today.

[Quote] Cry harder, Klan Grannies.

Try harder and Klan Grannies is so last week

[Quote] He inspired people to reject Andrew Cuomo. That's an achievement.

The COVID governor as he was called wrote a book and received an Emmy which was later rescinded. Between the accusations of harassment and the nursing home massacre the Cuomo brand was tarnished. Mamdani was simply an alternative in the primary. I don't know how much credit he can take for inspiring people to reject Cuomo

Anyone worth a damn would constantly be at war with Trump. Cuomo promised to be constantly at war with Trump (even though he won't be).

R481, thanks for that post. I now block anyone who uses the tedious "klan grannies" term. It tells me a lot about them. I seldom ban people but I really have no interest in what a person who calls others that has to say.

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries publicly called on Zohran Mamdani to clarify his stance regarding the phrase “globalize the intifada.” Jeffries emphasized that such phrasing is "not an acceptable phrase" and insisted Mamdani "is going to have to clarify his position on that as he moves forward" if he hopes to represent Jewish communities and effectively confront antisemitism in New York City

Hard to imagine an elected mayor of NYC ever making such an irresponsible statement. It will be interesting if he tries to clean up on aisle 1.

R485, Mamdani is going to win easily. Jeffries better worry about holding on to the minority speaker position, because Democrats are sick and tired of do-nothing party leadership.

It's so cool the way that one of the highest-level elected Democrats on Capitol Hill is spending his time attacking a fellow Democrat - one that excites young people and has brought new voters into the process.

Great work, fellas.

[quote]Mamdani is going to win easily. Jeffries better worry about holding on to the minority speaker position, because Democrats are sick and tired of do-nothing party leadership.

Will he? Jeffries made the correct comments. If Mamdani wins, the Republicans are going to tie every mainstream Democrat running to him, and that's not good. It's best if all sane Democrats start distancing themselves now. Let him be NYC's problem.

Good looks? He’s hideous.

So the Republicans are going to tie every mainstream Democrat to a handsome, charismatic politician with incredible message discipline and a pretty wife?

What a shame.

Get your head out of the sand, R490.

Even if you don't like Mamdani's policies, it's self-defeating not to recognize his virtues.

Get your head out of the sand! Freak the fuck out like a normal conservative troll on DL! The sky is falling! A socialist won a primary! Republicans might say bad things about Democrats! Fall in line and read from the script!

His intifada comment still seems disqualifying, but every voter has their own red line.

Why is it disqualifying r494? Is he running for mayor of Jersualem?

This sounds like a great plan to lower prices. Meanwhile, Trump and Republicans have no plan. No wonder they are so scared of Zohran.

Intifada means revolution, it doesn't mean "holy war." It doesn't have the same meaning as "jihad" even though a lot of people are trying to claim that it does. Just like its English translation "revolution," "intifada" doesn't always imply violence. "Globalize the Inifada" does not imply violence or discrimination against any particular group and has nothing to do with any religion.

R497 Exactly. As used by Mamdani and other leftist westerners, intifada means resisting oppressive forces. Of course the linguistic vibe of it cannot be separated from the resistance by Palestinians to Israelis occupation and military controls. That vibe is encouraging to Palestinians their allies and disturbing to Israel and its allies. Mamdani's success as mayor, and as a national symbol and perhaps even as one with potential for the Senate or Governorship, is how he keeps the energy from the movement to resist oppression while showing he can listen to, work with, uplift those in his city who are disturbed or distrustful of his linguistic history.

R494 You haven't noticed that the old politics has died. (This is, I think, a huge problems for center, center-left, traditional Democrats). An extreme statement absolutely does not disqualify .. and in fact can actually energize the "base".... every time Trump had a "scandal" - including felony convictions - his support went up. The new political skills are all image, performative attacks and anti-institutional stances. Rebels, not peacemakers, win elections now.

Just to spike Klan Granny blood pressures: a Muslim holding a trans flag at Pride.

You're welcome.

r499: I'm curious... If voters go for Eric Adams, are they also Klan Grannies?

We'll never know r500, as nobody will ever admit it.

The Democratic mayoral hopeful promises free childcare, a $30 minimum wage and a massive tax hike on the city’s corporations. But much is not within a mayor’s control.

He should just sign executive orders r502. That's good enough for us!

If you don't vote for Mamdani you are a Repuglican or Boris or Klangranny. Sounds like a democracy to me.

[quote]If voters go for Eric Adams, are they also Klan Grannies?

Those voters are called copsuckers.

Thanks, I'll be here all night. Try the veal.