The US strikes on Iran: what is your primary motivation for opposing/supporting?

I'm against it for all of the "against" reasons except for support for Iran. They don't need my support, but the reason that we're having these issues is because Trump fucked it up in season 1.0, throwing the peaceful agreement Obama negotiated down his gold-plated toilet not because it wasn't working or was somehow unsustainable, but merely because black man Obama made the agreement, it worked, and therefor it had to be rescinded in white Trump world.

Iran has vowed retribution, the Pakistanis have said they'll join with Iran if and when we struck (and now that we have, we have to take them at their word... so get ready), and we've been down this path in the Middle East twice in just the last 25 years, had our asses handed to us both times, and only made the situation worse.

But the real underlying reason I oppose this is because war in America is just another business decision... to move the dollars in our treasury into the bank accounts of the military industrial complex.

You didn't include it evaded congressional authority for this military strike.

What r2 says. I'm against it because it violates national and international law. There is no justification for those strikes. It wasn't for self-defense. It wasn't even for defending an ally because Israel didn't strike in self-defense, given that there was no imminent strike by Iran. "Fun-fact": Because the US' strike against Iran wasn't in self-defense, NATO allies don't have to support the US when Iran retaliates/strikes back.

You really needed an 'Against - Oppose due to likely unintended consequences - see Iraq, Afghanistan etc.'

A mouthful, but where I suspect most of the people who oppose are at: i.e. not for any love for Iran, opposition to Israel etc.

Lots of reasons.

We have a president with nothing to lose. He's near the end of his life, and he's the type to think, "well, if I can't live another ten years, why should anyone else get to?"

Then a lot of people are pushing this conflict for religious religions. A 2000-year-old book about black magic says that good things will come for those who protect Israel. Some of these fools want the blow up the world because they think they will be automatically raptured into some paradise in the sky.

OP has neither the understanding to do a proper "poll" nor the capacity to select the putative responses.

Nothing but the shallowest answers provided, with nothing for anyone who's actually considered the matter from perspectives of diplomacy, international relations, rick assessment and c/b analyses, or rule of law.

Against because we should have stayed in the JCPOA agreement, which used diplomacy + sanctions + inspections to make Iran comply. But Trump and the neocons thought that was wimpy and wanted military action instead.

I'm not so worried about retaliation by the Iranian government but the risk of terrorist attacks in the US by independent groups that sympathize with Iran is now much higher.

[quote]OP has neither the understanding to do a proper "poll" nor the capacity to select the putative responses. Nothing but the shallowest answers provided, with nothing for anyone who's actually considered the matter from perspectives of diplomacy, international relations, rick assessment and c/b analyses, or rule of law.

Do your own fucking poll then!

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Reading through the NY Times coverage, specifically the quotes from Israelis, is just flabbergasting. They honestly believe that these strikes will end their conflict with Iran, one even saying it will "end wars" altogether. What makes them believe this utter nonsense? How can they not see and know that Iran will retaliate, likely in Israel? How is this rerun of the two previous failed US wars in the Middle East going to end any differently?

R10, Iran has been attacking Israel for decades. Israel have dealt with Hezbollah via the pagers, they've helped Syria with regime change, they've weakened the Houthis with help from others and they've weakened Hamas.

What the fuck do you expect them to do?

Iran hates liberal democracy. They hate Jewish liberal democracy the most, but they hate all liberal democracy.

Thanks to trump, oil will go sky high! Everything will further increase in price

R5, what black magic book are you talking about?

The bad guys aren't obeying any fucking law or rule whatsoever

[quote]What the fuck do you expect them to do?

Wake the fuck up and realize that everything they've done for decades has not brought them peace, will not bring them peace, and cannot bring them peace. Peace does not break out when bombs are falling. Peace happens when the people fighting realize they're all losing more than they're gaining... and the problem is that the US/Israeli military industrial complex only gains when we and they're warring. The upshot is that we've perfected the perpetual war machine.

But Iran is not alone in hating liberal democracy. We hate it, too, as of the last election. Apparently, the Israelis hate liberal democracy as well as they, according to the quotes in the Times, apparently think Bibi and Trump were sent to save them. They just don't say from what.

I’m not sure what to think. I hope nothing catastrophic happens, but fear it will. I’m generally feeling powerless to do anything but watch current events with concern. I doubt if protests have much effect.

Your poll options are stupid.

When you have these long drawn out fights between the West and the Middle East, in order for them to end, both sides have to admit that they’ve done some wrong things, and no one is ever willing to do that. Just look at the Israel/Palestine situation.

I'm against it because I don't think it's possible to eliminate the Iranian nuclear program at this point. They'll just rebuild whatever facilities have been destroyed. I think Netanyahu and Trump bombed Iran to distract their respective countries from domestic political fuckups.

The Israeli government considered bombing the shit out of these facilities 10+ years ago and the military leadership talked them out of it for basically the same reason I mentioned above. The ship has long sailed on stopping Iran from having nuclear weapons.

Russia or Pakistan will just give them nukes now, like we gave them to Israel.

R14, R5 is speaking of the bible

what’s wrong with the 18% of you in favor of this wag the dog bullshit?

Israel, do Russia next!!! Now that would get two thumbs up from me.

I believe that I have read that the plans for making nuclear bombs are available in public libraries or certainly on the internet. Iran has a lot of physicists. It is a country of 90,000,000, and many of them have trained in nuclear physics in western universities. How would a bomb know how to find and take out those scientists to prevent them from remaking a bomb? There are logistics involved in obtaining sufficient uranium, which is an element in relatively short supply. But with sufficient bribery money in hand, it would not be hard to get the raw ore from some of the sources around the world, such as Chad.

The best solution is close monitoring, of supplies, of facilities, of constant engagement and active incentivizing of compliance along with sanctions for non-compliance. That's what we had under Obama - an agreement that was ripped up and broken by Trump.

where is the vivian vance option?

I kidnapped and murdered six Persians

I sautéed their balls with delightful perversion

Then I beheaded their mothers

Made sex slaves out of their brothers

And fast tracked their anal seroconversion