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WHET S&M????

I'm not talking about Dominance/Submission or Bondage/Discipline. I'm talking about hardcore Sadism & Masochism. You know, whips, pain, branding, piercings, all that "Ouch! That hurts a girl!" realness. Remember "Drummer" magazine and the Personals section for dudes looking for everything from prospective amputations, slave training, castrations, and "terminal sex"? Those queens didn't mess around! Is that scene still around? Hell, they even had S&M motorcycle clubs. As I said, we're not talking about lace-curtain kinky modern day "play" stuff. We're talking bodily injury, scarification, and encounters that would send you to the ER back in the era before "safe" words. Anybody here into that? Or is that kind of extreme stuff relegated to the past?

by Anonymousreply 22June 22, 2025 7:47 PM

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by Anonymousreply 1June 22, 2025 10:01 AM

I've always felt there was an inherent paradox in sadists engaging in consensual S&M with a willing masochist and with various safeguards like safe words.

A true sadist wants a partner who is genuinely scared, unwilling, and not deriving any pleasure from the experience.

by Anonymousreply 2June 22, 2025 10:27 AM

Ask Dan Savage’s husband.

by Anonymousreply 3June 22, 2025 10:35 AM

The kids nowadays are too pussied to want to be treated harshly.

by Anonymousreply 4June 22, 2025 10:46 AM

It's all dress up now, look I am wearing a leather harness with pink strips and a puppy mask. Oh, I am so edgy. What's dungeon play?

by Anonymousreply 5June 22, 2025 11:03 AM

Dan's husband is just a big poser. Terry Miller needed attention after Dan became famous. Thinks he's Tom of Finland.

by Anonymousreply 6June 22, 2025 11:06 AM

Dan has been famous for a while. I think it has more to with Terry being an aging guy who doesn't have a career. Being sexy gives him a purpose. That's my guess, r6.

by Anonymousreply 7June 22, 2025 12:07 PM

I like kink as much as the next person, but I find hardcore S&M rather disturbing

by Anonymousreply 8June 22, 2025 2:30 PM

they all went to become puppies

by Anonymousreply 9June 22, 2025 2:36 PM

What a freak show!

by Anonymousreply 10June 22, 2025 2:40 PM

R1, the guys "inflicting" punishment on both sites are gross fattos. They have long hair too which makes them look like sissies on top of needing Ozempic.

by Anonymousreply 11June 22, 2025 2:43 PM

[quote] WHET S&M????

[quote] You know, whips, pain, branding, piercings, all that "Ouch! That hurts a girl!" realness.

More effective psych meds and longer prison sentences.

by Anonymousreply 12June 22, 2025 2:51 PM

S&M is alive and well at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington D.C. as of January 20, 2025.

by Anonymousreply 13June 22, 2025 3:00 PM

I like the idea behind pup play but I wish the masks weren't so embarrassing and stupid. They need to invent a dignified animal mask for uninhibited sex.

by Anonymousreply 14June 22, 2025 3:11 PM

The Scene is still out there. You just have to look for it.

I know a bit about the men's side, because a NYC dominatrix I hung out with was important enough to be a judge at contests and she took me with her. But I've been out of the Scene for 20+ years, so I don't keep up with it.

The straight/lesbian stuff is easily found online if you know what to look for. I attached a link to the Orlando Munch. You show up at some food place (used to be food courts at malls, but not anymore) and look for the black-and-blue balloons. That is where you go to meet people you might want to play with later.

They always have a play party after the Munch, but they don't publish the location, and they don't let just anyone come. The Munch is also where the spectators get culled, and they don't get invited to the party.

The party is usually held at a dungeon where you either pay to become a yearly member or you can pay as you go. Some of the ones I've been to are very nice.

Years ago, I was at a gay/lesbian dungeon in SF, which is the first time I saw a guy in a sling get fisted. I observed dispassionately. But a good time was had by all.

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by Anonymousreply 15June 22, 2025 3:16 PM

[quote]A true sadist wants a partner who is genuinely scared, unwilling, and not deriving any pleasure from the experience.

That's a rapist, not a sadist.

The OTT trolling here is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 16June 22, 2025 3:30 PM

S&M = Stand and Model

by Anonymousreply 17June 22, 2025 3:37 PM

Guys into pup play are just furries with different issues.

by Anonymousreply 18June 22, 2025 6:09 PM

S&M imagery is the perfect choice when I'm trying to not feel horny.

by Anonymousreply 19June 22, 2025 6:27 PM

Way to miss my point entirely, r16.

by Anonymousreply 20June 22, 2025 6:31 PM

More discipline...

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by Anonymousreply 21June 22, 2025 6:51 PM

marry me R21...

by Anonymousreply 22June 22, 2025 7:47 PM
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