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The Louvre Museum was forced to close Monday

The Louvre, the world’s most-visited museum and a global symbol of art, beauty and endurance, has withstood war, terror, and pandemic — but on Monday, it was brought to a halt by its own staff, who say the institution is crumbling under the weight of mass tourism.

It was an almost unthinkable sight: the home to works by Leonardo da Vinci and millennia of civilization’s greatest treasures — paralyzed in a strike by the very people tasked with welcoming the world to its galleries.

Thousands of stranded and confused visitors, tickets in hand, were corralled into unmoving lines beneath I.M. Pei's glass pyramid.

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by Anonymousreply 68June 17, 2025 11:39 PM

“It’s the Mona Lisa moan out here,” said Kevin Ward, 62, from Milwaukee. “Thousands of people waiting, no communication, no explanation. I guess even she needs a day off.”

The Louvre has become a symbol of tourism pushed to its limits. As hotspots from Venice to the Acropolis race to curb crowds, the world’s most iconic museum, visited by millions, is hitting a breaking point of its own.

Just a day earlier, coordinated anti-tourism protests swept across southern Europe. Thousands rallied in Mallorca, Venice, Lisbon and beyond, denouncing an economic model they say displaces locals and erodes city life. In Barcelona, activists sprayed tourists with water pistols — a theatrical bid to “cool down” runaway tourism.

The Louvre's spontaneous strike erupted during a routine internal meeting, as gallery attendants, ticket agents and security personnel refused to take up their posts in protest over unmanageable crowds, chronic understaffing and what one union called “untenable” working conditions.

It’s rare for the Louvre to close its doors. It has happened during war, during the pandemic, and in a handful of strikes — including spontaneous walkouts over overcrowding in 2019 and safety fears in 2013. But seldom has it happened so suddenly, without warning, and in full view of the crowds.

What's more, the disruption comes just months after President Emmanuel Macron unveiled a sweeping decade-long plan to rescue the Louvre from precisely the problems now boiling over — water leaks, dangerous temperature swings, outdated infrastructure, and foot traffic far beyond what the museum can handle.

But for workers on the ground, that promised future feels distant.

“We can’t wait six years for help,” said Sarah Sefian of the CGT-Culture union. “Our teams are under pressure now. It’s not just about the art — it’s about the people protecting it.”

At the center of it all is the Mona Lisa — a 16th-century portrait that draws modern-day crowds more akin to a celebrity meet-and-greet than an art experience.

Roughly 20,000 people a day squeeze into the Salle des États, the museum’s largest room, just to snap a selfie with Leonardo da Vinci’s enigmatic woman behind protective glass. The scene is often noisy, jostling, and so dense that many barely glance at the masterpieces flanking her — works by Titian and Veronese that go largely ignored.

“You don’t see a painting,” said Ji-Hyun Park, 28, who flew from Seoul to Paris. “You see phones. You see elbows. You feel heat. And then, you’re pushed out.”

Macron’s renovation blueprint, dubbed the “Louvre New Renaissance,” promises a remedy. The Mona Lisa will finally get her own dedicated room, accessible through a timed-entry ticket. A new entrance near the Seine River is also planned by 2031 to relieve pressure from the overwhelmed pyramid hub.

“Conditions of display, explanation and presentation will be up to what the Mona Lisa deserves,” Macron said in January.

But Louvre workers call Macron hypocritical and say the €700–800 million million renovation plan masks a deeper crisis. While Macron is investing in new entrances and exhibition space, the Louvre’s annual operating subsidies from the French state have shrunk by more than 20% over the past decade — even as visitor numbers soared.

“We take it very badly that Monsieur Le President makes his speeches here in our museum,” Sefian said, “but when you scratch the surface, the financial investment of the state is getting worse with each passing year.”

by Anonymousreply 1June 16, 2025 4:40 PM

Too many fucking tourists in Europe. Why don’t they keep sitting at home and getting fat?

by Anonymousreply 2June 16, 2025 4:41 PM

Fire them all!

by Anonymousreply 3June 16, 2025 4:46 PM

The workers should be fired. You don't take a job at a Paris tourist site, then act suprised that tourists are there.

by Anonymousreply 4June 16, 2025 4:51 PM

Those workers are not the top. They’re not the Louvre Museum.

by Anonymousreply 5June 16, 2025 4:56 PM

conflicted but generally pro labour. They likely are overwhelmed and overworked. But they also took a job in dead centre of overrun mass tourism.

by Anonymousreply 6June 16, 2025 5:02 PM

They are having such large amounts of tourists because people aren't going to America for vacation anymore.

They're staying in Europe or going to some islands. But they're NOT going to America because of that cancer, donald trump

by Anonymousreply 7June 16, 2025 5:05 PM

[quote] The Louvre, the world’s most-visited museum

This cannot be an easy place to work. They need to be heard, at least.

by Anonymousreply 8June 16, 2025 5:06 PM

This is not the employees faults. Like I said above, there's such a high amount of tourists that they've never had before. There aren't enough employees.

If there are this many tourists, the museum can afford to hire more people. There's NO excuse for not hiring more people

by Anonymousreply 9June 16, 2025 5:10 PM

[quote] They are having such large amounts of tourists because people aren't going to America for vacation anymore.

Maybe but it has always been the most visited museum in the world. Vacationers who have decided against Disneyworld aren't necessarily choosing The Louvre instead.

by Anonymousreply 10June 16, 2025 5:10 PM

Can you imagine the herds stupid cows they have to manage, day after day? It's surely worse than a gig at DollyWood.

by Anonymousreply 11June 16, 2025 5:13 PM

Can't the museum do scheduling for visits?

Just let people book tickets WITH ATTENDANCE TIMES, either online or at a kiosk.

Then all they have to do is show up for their scheduled appointment time.

It's not fucking rocket science.

by Anonymousreply 12June 16, 2025 5:13 PM

It's not a bad idea r12 but given the traditional "museum for everyone" post revolution vibe it might be a rough sell.

by Anonymousreply 13June 16, 2025 5:20 PM

[quote] It was an almost unthinkable sight:

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 14June 16, 2025 5:23 PM

Last time I was there the Louvre was closed every Monday.

by Anonymousreply 15June 16, 2025 5:25 PM

[quote] It's not a bad idea R12 but given the traditional "museum for everyone" post revolution vibe it might be a rough sell.

Europeans are supposed to be organized.

By scheduling attendance times, you can control the number of people entering the museum.

Instead of a mad rush of people, you can manage the flow. Perhaps 100 or 200 people at a time, every half hour.

It's certainly better than dealing with extremely grumpy and overworked staff, or worst case scenario, shutting down.

This would provide a better and more enjoyable experience for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 16June 16, 2025 5:28 PM

R13 every museum on Amsterdam works via time slots you book in advance. It's not hard. I also don't see the problem.

by Anonymousreply 17June 16, 2025 5:40 PM

There were too many people there when I visited in the 90s. I'm sure it's worse now. There should be some sort of timed ticket system. When I went, it was possible to visit at night, several nights a week--I went back then (you could do that the same day) and that was when I saw the Mona Lisa, Winged Victory, et al. No one was there. If evenings are an option, then the group tours should make use of it and sell it as a way to really see the famous works of art.

by Anonymousreply 18June 16, 2025 5:43 PM

[quote] It was an almost unthinkable sight: the home to works by Leonardo da Vinci and millennia of civilization’s greatest treasures — paralyzed in a strike by the very people tasked with welcoming the world to its galleries.

There is nothing “unthinkable “ about any kind of labor strike in France.

by Anonymousreply 19June 16, 2025 5:50 PM

We were in Paris last summer and decided to go to lesser known—and some obscure—museums instead of the Louve. The most fascinating was a math museum in the 6th, I think. Can’t remember name of society that runs it—big international math group. It’s been experience that small museums rarely disappoint—and this was no exception. We had zero desire to battle crowds for two seconds in from of Louve masterworks.

by Anonymousreply 20June 16, 2025 5:59 PM

I don't blame the employees for protesting. The last time I was in the Louvre was twenty years ago and they had these same problems then, especially with the Mona Lisa crowds. The number of daily visitors has significantly outgrown the current building, which hasn't had a major renovation in over 30 years. With climate change issues and overtaxed staffing problems, it is only a matter time when security will be breached and major art works will be in danger..

by Anonymousreply 21June 16, 2025 6:04 PM

One complaint seems to be that subsidies are being cut while innovation plans are being laid. But I have to ask, why the hell isn't anybody increasing the price of entry, as in doubling or tripling. Yeah it will price some people out, but that's part of the whole damn point right now, thin those crowds. Yes, it's sort of unfair to the people who can afford it less, but it's actually more fair to the people that actually give a shit about really being there, and aren't just wandering over like zombies cause somebody told them that it's some big rule that you have to see (or sort of kind of briefly glance at) the Mona Lisa if you go to Paris. Fuck em, and tell em to fuck off and do something they actually want to do. Higher prices are actually ideal for that kind of deterrent.

by Anonymousreply 22June 16, 2025 6:10 PM

I visited 3 weeks after the Paris bombing + Bataclan attacks in 2015, and Paris was pretty quiet- got into the Louvre twice with no wait, and I guess I was lucky with light crowds. The Mona Lisa was underwhelming though. I saw the lines for Notre Dame last week, and I cannot believe the front plaza is a whole maze of a line now.

by Anonymousreply 23June 16, 2025 6:20 PM

Yeah, I suspect it's underwhelming for most of us r23, and of course that's the fault of the ridiculous hype around it. Yes, there are no doubt amazing art historians who can tell us why we are supposed to love it so much, but for 99% it's just a name of a painting that's been drilled into us as one of the greatest things in human history. and when you actually see it, from a distance, it's just not going to live up to the incredible hype of it all.

by Anonymousreply 24June 16, 2025 6:29 PM

I visited the Louve in the 70s and there were NO crowds. Maybe a half-dozen people in the Mona Lisa room. The advantage of being old now, I guess. Backpacking around, never had to book a time for a museum, make a reservation for a hostel bed, no Schengen limiting time in Europe (per country, yes but the borders were relatively close). Low budget traveling for a year was not uncommon.

I’ve seen photos of the massive crowds trying to see the Mona Lisa. I could never tolerate that now, fortunately I have no desire to see it again.

by Anonymousreply 25June 16, 2025 6:33 PM

Mom and I alone stood next to the Winged Victory and we were alone for 10 minutes. 1970, weekday morning. And we didn't think of taking pictures of ourselves imitating it. Nobody did in those far-off days.

by Anonymousreply 26June 16, 2025 6:36 PM

I blame Nat King Cole.

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by Anonymousreply 27June 16, 2025 6:43 PM

You have to admit, the Mona Lisa is quite a pretty painting, despite the hype surrounding it.

I guess it's the mystery of the subject of the painting.

The slight smile, the thoughts lurking behind her eyes, the bucolic setting.

I quite like it.

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by Anonymousreply 28June 16, 2025 6:48 PM

[quote]By scheduling attendance times, you can control the number of people entering the museum.

I'm guessing it's a combination of selling too many tickets for a time slot and as someone else noted, making it more expensive. But also their queuing system is an unorganized mess.

That said, I think cellphones ruined museums, everyone is wandering around, not watching where they are going, taking cellphone video. Places like the Louvre need crowd control where they're moving people along from one room to the next & not just letting them mill around all day

by Anonymousreply 29June 16, 2025 6:54 PM

[quote] Places like the Louvre need crowd control where they're moving people along from one room to the next & not just letting them mill around all day

That would suggest that the point of seeing artworks should not be to appreciate them, but just to quickly identify them in a split-second, like the Griswold family does in National Lampoon's European Vacation when they race through the Louvre. "Now I've seen that one! Seen that one! Seen that one!"

A better solution can be found. Rushing people through at top speed may make sense for viewing Lenin's and Mao's embalmed corpses, but it makes no sense for viewing a work by Da Vinci or Rubens.

by Anonymousreply 30June 16, 2025 7:23 PM

I visited the Parthenon in 2016 and it was so crowded climbing the stairs to the top. There was room enough on the acropolis.

by Anonymousreply 31June 16, 2025 7:31 PM

I visited the Louvre in the fall of 2023 and it was a terrible experience as far as museums go. It is badly managed and very disorganized. With time slots but still had to wait. You descend to the basement, which is gigantic, and is fully of people, most of them somewhat lost.

There are no clear signs and the existing maps do not really work on their own (sections of the museum look side by side in the map but in reality are separed by different access points). The staff doesnt help and sits sullen in their chairs (well, they are parisians…). I spent an enourmous amount of time trying to reach a section and being lost.

Re the Monalisa; the paiting is in a room in the italian section, which is a long gallery and you must turn right around the middle . I went to see the italian art and it was fine. Sure, there are dozens of people passing there only to see the Monalisa, so before its room it is crowded but few stop to see the paitings on the way.

After the Monalisa room, there is almost no one, they have turned right and cannot reenter. Many other parts of the museum were empty as well, so it is clearly a good idea to have the paiting somewhre else.

But what a nightmare. Also, you can only exit through the basement where they force you to pass along a gigantic subterrnean mall…

by Anonymousreply 32June 16, 2025 9:15 PM

They should ban cellphones and cameras like El Prado. Why does anyone need a frigging JPG or selfie pic of the most popular painting in the world? 90% of those people are not there to appreciate the art.

by Anonymousreply 33June 16, 2025 9:33 PM

The most depressing thing about the Louvre is all the people rushing to check mark the famous works and ignoring everything else.

by Anonymousreply 34June 16, 2025 9:34 PM

Can I have their stuff?

by Anonymousreply 35June 16, 2025 10:04 PM

R35 = the Vatican

by Anonymousreply 36June 16, 2025 10:10 PM

It sorta went in the other direction r36.

by Anonymousreply 37June 16, 2025 10:16 PM

[quote] It sorta went in the other direction

That’s why they’re asking for it.

by Anonymousreply 38June 16, 2025 10:25 PM

Wouldn’t be a better idea to go to other smaller museums? I guess I’m not one for marquee tourist attractions, but that’s just me.

by Anonymousreply 39June 16, 2025 11:17 PM

I'm with you r39

by Anonymousreply 40June 16, 2025 11:21 PM

R40 I always thought if I took the plunge and traveled abroad go to smaller cities where you’d actually see the real culture, as opposed to tourist traps.

by Anonymousreply 41June 16, 2025 11:25 PM

R20 and R39 are of like minds.

by Anonymousreply 42June 16, 2025 11:27 PM

Fake story. They pulled this stunt for more money. They’re full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 43June 16, 2025 11:31 PM

charge more fucking euros

by Anonymousreply 44June 16, 2025 11:38 PM

One museum that impressed me was the Belvedere in Vienna- Klimt's "The Kiss" is spectacular, and you can get close to it.

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by Anonymousreply 46June 16, 2025 11:39 PM

I blame this bitch...

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by Anonymousreply 47June 16, 2025 11:41 PM

They probably need to have visitation by appointment only.

by Anonymousreply 48June 16, 2025 11:46 PM

i like the appointment only as a security measure

by Anonymousreply 49June 16, 2025 11:49 PM

[quote]They probably need to have visitation by appointment only.

[quote]Can't the museum do scheduling for visits?/ Just let people book tickets WITH ATTENDANCE TIMES, either online or at a kiosk. / Then all they have to do is show up for their scheduled appointment time. / It's not fucking rocket science.

No, it's not fucking ticket science...but they've already done these things.

There are already timed entrances and daily limits on visitors: 30,000 daily, or 8.7M last year. (The current entry controls were installed after visitation reached 45,000 visitors daily.)

Museums perform functions beyond the herding of the masses. They are places of research and conservation and educational lectures, they are places where classrooms of children are exposed to art education, and they are fundamentally to preserve and present art. That's not rocket science either, yet when marshalling 8.7M visitors through your doors every year, crowd control becomes everything the museum risks becoming nothing more than an Instagram instant, a photo of a room full of people their arms extended to hold their phone to take a shitty selfie.

The employees - both public facing and behind the scenes are entirely right to question the quality of visitor experience and the museum's stewardship role.

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by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2025 2:26 AM

r12 That is what the African American museum in DC does. They had timed tickets because they were swamped. I don't know why the louvre can't just also do what clubs do-- count and close the door once they reach a certain amount of people.

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2025 3:10 AM

[quote] No, it's not fucking ticket science...but they've already done these things.

[quote] There are already timed entrances and daily limits on visitors: 30,000 daily

[quote] Museums perform functions beyond the herding of the masses. They are places of research and conservation and educational lectures, they are places where classrooms of children are exposed to art education, and they are fundamentally to preserve and present art. That's not rocket science either, yet when marshalling 8.7M visitors through your doors every year, crowd control becomes everything the museum risks becoming nothing more than an Instagram instant, a photo of a room full of people their arms extended to hold their phone to take a shitty selfie.

Well then CLEARLY, the museum needs to reduce the number of people who are allowed in on a daily basis.

That too, is not rocket science.

But I'm guessing that the real reason why they are putting an unnecessary burden on the museum staff, is MONEY.

They don't want to reduce the number of visitors, because of the REVENUE that is generated by the huge ticket sales.

Other museums would kill to have that kind of foot traffic, because it would bring in huge amounts of MONEY.

And I'm sure that the executives who run the museum are getting compensated very well, while the peons who have to herd these hoardes of visitors are getting paid minimum wage.

€22.00 (approx. $25) x 30,000 = $750,000 per day.

That amounts to $273,750,000 EVERY YEAR.

Over a quarter of a billion dollars every year, on ticket sales alone. Now THAT is big business. Never mind the added sales from guided tours, memorabilia, and other crap.

And these cheap shits can't afford to modernize or improve the process, for the well being of their employees?

Give me a fucking break. It's just more corporate greed.

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by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2025 3:14 AM

I was there last year during what was supposedly the least busy week of the year, mid-January, and it was still a mob scene. The Mona Lisa room is bonkers although I think I just heard they have, or are planning to rethink that again.

by Anonymousreply 53June 17, 2025 3:15 AM

I went to the louvre in 2006 in high school. I don't remember it being swamped. I know it has been almost 20 years, but I find this interesting. I feel like social media has increased peoples desire to travel, especially in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 54June 17, 2025 4:06 AM

The Nike of Samothrace is my all-time favourite work of art.

by Anonymousreply 55June 17, 2025 5:49 AM

The timed ticketing didn’t work when we went becuase of a protest that delayed the opening several hours. The timed waves of attendance simply overlap.

by Anonymousreply 56June 17, 2025 6:10 AM

[quote]And these cheap shits can't afford to modernize or improve the process, for the well being of their employees?

[quote]Give me a fucking break. It's just more corporate greed.

R52: The process of tickets and scheduling is more than sufficiently modern, and it's not corporate greed, it's government priorities. The Louvre is owned by the French state which, by its accounts says that it generated about $250M a year in admissions, merchandising, licensing, etc. its annual profit is stated as in the €10Millions to €20Millions.

The French state could monetize the Louvre to a much greater extent, but they choose not to. In many ways this is admirable, but to sacrifice the quality of experience of the museum to visitors and the quality of working conditions of its staff is not admirable.

The U.S. and China together represent two almost 20% of visitors (and from purely personal observation some larger percentage of the "tourist masification" problem with huge swarms of visitors to see two or three objects, I think plans to isolate the Mona Lisa in more comfortable and easily accessed viewing theatre are good. And perhaps to construct a quick highlights Instagram tour for those who would queue for hours and pay any price to see the "Top 5 Takeaways From the Louvre," let them have what they want and steer clear of those who want to spend hours, not minutes looking at the collection. Snobbery and selection, sure, but what is the ideal democratic that preserves the Louvre as a museum, as a place of contemplation and enlightenment, not just a factory for processing tourists like Perdue chickens? That part is a bit of rocket science.

[quote]23% of individual visitors were French, far and away the most represented nationality. (65% of that number were admitted free of charge)

[quote]77% of visitors were from countries other than France, mainly from the United States (13%) and from countries bordering France (Italy, United Kingdom and Germany: 5%, Spain: 4%). Visitors from China represented 6% of visitors

[quote]28% of total visitors were admitted free of charge

[quote]41% of visitors were under 26 years of age.

[quote]>92% of visitors were "very satisfied" with the quality of their visit

by Anonymousreply 57June 17, 2025 7:33 AM

Surprised so many people still have the MONEY to travel abroad, with flights and hotels so terribly expensive these days.

by Anonymousreply 58June 17, 2025 7:51 AM

I live in center Florence and the over-tourism is apparent. One thing I would suggest is limiting the size of tour groups to maybe 15 people. I’ve see. Groups of 60 people, all with their earpieces in listening to a guide a mile ahead of them, moving slowly clogging up streets. And sure enough another group the same size will be passing in the opposite direction. Then you have the Chinese…

by Anonymousreply 59June 17, 2025 8:14 AM

R20 thank you for the recommendation! Also very nice: the conservatoire des arts et metiers, a must for fans of Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.

by Anonymousreply 60June 17, 2025 10:47 AM

Another difficulty here that no one has mentioned yet, is that the Louvre was never designed as a museum. It was a royal residence, which was turned into a museum after the French Revolution. Hence, foot traffic was never intended to be so massive, the rooms never organised around such flow of people in mind, etc. And since it’s a historical monument, any renovation must be strictly overseen by the French ministry of cultural affairs, which doesn’t fuck around. You’re never going to be able to break down walls, etc. The IM Pei renovation mostly built underground, and hardly touched the main building.

What the article doesn’t say about the « Macron renovation » is that the plan is to build an entirely new wing, completely underground, with a separate entrance, just for the Mona Lisa. The thinking being that most tourists come to the Louvre only for the Mona Lisa, and therefore by segregating them to a different building you will alleviate the pressure on the main building. That renovation will cost up to €700m, which is more than the IM Pei renovation.

by Anonymousreply 61June 17, 2025 10:52 AM

I agree, move the Mona Lisa to its own space to siphon off the crowds. Will that be enough though? I remember watching someone’s selfie tour of the Louvre and it was depressing seeing the crowds rush through the long galleries. It didn’t seem like you could stop to look. There should be benches in every room.

If you like the painter Ingres, he has a museum in his birthplace Montauban, southeast France.

by Anonymousreply 62June 17, 2025 11:13 AM

I'm sure having the Olympics in Paris didn't help as well as that stupid Emily in Paris show.

by Anonymousreply 63June 17, 2025 1:48 PM

Move the Mona Lisa to Italy where it belongs. Put it in one of the da Vinci museums there.

by Anonymousreply 64June 17, 2025 4:22 PM

[quote]We were in Paris last summer and decided to go to lesser known—and some obscure—museums instead of the Louve. The most fascinating was a math museum in the 6th, I think. Can’t remember name of society that runs it—big international math group. It’s been experience that small museums rarely disappoint—and this was no exception. We had zero desire to battle crowds for two seconds in from of Louve masterworks.

I have to disagree in part, R20. Your approach it seems was great for you, but there is a huge and now years long trend in travel advice, where the too cool for school influencers and guidebook writers suggest avoid some jammed to the gills museum or site in favor of some obscure place that's little visited and free! The idea that people cross oceans or great distances to visit a city and stay in its hotels or touristic apartments only to cheap out on a fucking museum admission is either ridiculous or frightening. How many times have I read (or rather re-read different poached articles with the same advice: Skip the Louvre! Instead see the Circus Museum instead! Holy fuck. (Though R20 you may have managed in the Math Museum to out-obscure the circus museum, the Museum of Hunting and Nature, the Museum of Montmarte, and the Rodin Museum (fantastic if you love Rodin, a snooze if you don´t.)

The Musee d'Orsay is so often suggested as an alternative to the Louvre that it now has a greater annual visitor visitor per square meter of exhibition space 2X greater than that of the Louvre. "Avoid those crowds at the Louvre and find the enjoy the for years now even more crowded d'Orsay (Musee d'Orsay 3.8M visitors in 17,000 m2 of exhibition space, the Louvre 9M visitors in 73,000 m2 of exhibition space.)

The now standard advice: Why see Rome when you can see Matera? Why see stinky old Paris (pop. 12M) when you can smell the canals of Annecy (pop. 120,000)? Why bother with popular Prague (pop. 1.3M when you can skip it and instead see Cesky Krumlov (pop. 13,000) a tiny town positively teeming with bussed-in visitors -- and be back on the tour bus by lunch? There's nothing wrong with these alternatives, except as alternatives. A visitor could see one big city with much shorter visits to a couple of much smaller cities with less on offer, for example. Or after having seen Paris on one trip, devise a later trip to visit smaller French cities and towns. Fantastic. But not to avoid Paris in favor of Annecy and call France done? No, that's nuts unless you're a despise all large cities.

Likewise to go to Paris for the first time and not see the Louvre seems nuts for anyone who likes art even a little. The circus museum, the Rodin museum, (and, sorry, the Maths Museum) are not substitutes even remotely in kind. There are whole sections of the Louvre that are practically empty while a few rooms spill over with people. Vistors should plot out a few areas of interest and consider some stepping into to some little visited but tempting galleries.

I can still visiting huge art museums for the first time, marvelling, breathless almost at the scope and quality of the collections. I've been to them and to others many times since, but sometimes it's a fantiastic experience to swim in sensory overload at the Louvre, the National Gallery in London, the British Museum, the V&A, the Vatican Museums, the Met, the Prado (stunned by Bosch after Bosch, Velazquez after Velzquez.) For me, few things overwhelm in a great way as seeing painting after painting that you have known from childhood but never seen.

If you really don't give a fuck about old pictures hung on walls, you'll likely do everyone a favor by staying home or going to the circus museum. But for anyone who knows the least something about art, it seems more than a little ridiculous to decline the Louvre and other major institutions for a clothesline art fair or an afternoon and the hunting museum.

by Anonymousreply 65June 17, 2025 6:05 PM

Significant architectural changes at Louvre, which became a gallery in 1793 during the French Revolution, came under Napoleon I, and later Napoleon III, who ordered restoration, expansion, and formalization of gallery spaces. So R61, well kinda sorta, not really.

by Anonymousreply 66June 17, 2025 7:23 PM

^ I was talking of the MODERN rules when it comes to renovating historical buildings. Not the rules from the 19th century. If you studied whatever you say you studied you would know for instance that the kind of renovations that Viollet le Duc inflicted on French monuments in the 19th century would be unthinkable now. So yes, kind sort, really 🙄

by Anonymousreply 67June 17, 2025 11:24 PM

I like the Museum of Hunting and Nature.

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