Kamala Won. Bombshell report claims voting machines were tampered with before 2024

Kamala Harris won the U.S. elections: Bombshell report claims voting machines were tampered with before 2024: A new report is stirring fresh debate about the outcome of the 2024 U.S. presidential election, claiming that voting machines were secretly altered before ballots were even cast. The bombshell allegation raises a serious question: Did Kamala Harris actually win the 2024 election?

In Rockland County, New York, several voters testified under oath that their ballots didn’t match the official results. Senate candidate Diane Sare reportedly lost votes in precinct after precinct:

In one district, 9 voters claimed they voted for Sare, but only 5 votes were recorded.

In another, 5 voters swore they supported her, but only 3 votes appeared.

It wasn’t just third-party candidates who saw odd results. In multiple Democratic-leaning areas, Kamala Harris’s name was reportedly missing from the top of the ballot entirely. Voters said they couldn’t even find her name to select. These same areas had high support for Democrats like Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, yet Harris received zero votes—a statistical anomaly that defies traditional voting patterns.

DJT was the only repug to win all the swing states in the history of the USA. He was the only repug in decades to win the popular vote - despite being INCREDIBLY unpopular among voters across party lines - and loosing votes since the last election (which he lost). The richest man in the world (and in world history for that matter) owned the satellites that tallied the votes, that mysteriously had decayed orbits and crashed to the Earth just after the election....nothing wrong here folks - move along - nothing to see LOL

Kamala lost. She was a terrible candidate. Her political future is done. She was inauthentic, contrived, and ill-prepared. I am definitely not a Trumper, but for the love of all that is good, accept that she and Walz were a terrible duo.

Jill Stein, is that you at r3?

I felt that.

R2 That's what I thought Elon was saying when he said DJT wouldn't have won without me. Like it was rigged.

Uummm R2

She’ll probably win in California. They love stupid people.

Yes they need stupid people to govern a state or 40 million people.

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We knew when DJT said “we’ve got the votes” before the election.

R2 Satellites tally the votes in elections?

BlueAnon exists...

I’m only now believing this

R3 likes to eat raw shrimp. Enough said!

R7 that poster made a mistake, but he still clearly cheated.

Compare the turnout for Drump's DC Military parade to any big city protest, and tell me 10 million people chose to stay home rather than vote against Dump.

NO. FUCKING. WAY!!!

Jill Biden handed the world, let alone the election, to Trump.

May she never know a proper bowel movement.

"DJT was the only repug to win all the swing states"

After having done nothing to woo them, amidst yuge anti-Trump sentiment. His tired, desperate campaign focused on his far right, deplorable Magat haters. Kamala was out-raising him 5 times over.

It was all brushed-off as, "Registered voters ultimately decided not to vote".

She lost. The end.

Harris’s internal polling had her losing.

No she won. I waved signs for in my town and the people waving and honking in support was crazy. Thousands of people lined up for hours in the Georgia to see her speak. She whipped his ass in the debate and early voting by Democrats broke records. Anecdotally, I know so many Republicans who voted for Kamala or didn't vote for president. There's no way Kamala lost Georgia

Dunno what this Economic Times is, but the actual case alleges that the votes for Kirsten Gillibrand were inflated and her independent rival, Diane Sare, should have got more votes according to sworn testimonies by voters in the district.

We need a national standard with paper ballots and get rid of the seccret ballot. Abraham Lincoln was not elected by secret ballot. The first fruits of the adoption of the secret ballot was Jim Crow.

It's shocking to me that anybody would call Harris "stupid" when there isn't a single Republican that could pass a sixth grade civics test.

I'll have to read more about it, r22, but I think the case used some affidavits of miscounting using a non-presidential race (a Senate race) precisely IN ORDER that the judge would feel confident to order a complete recount. I think that many people have suspicions that the presidential votes were tampered by quite a bit more than those Senate results, but a presidential recount effort would look like sour grapes and a very partisan effort. This looks like an innocent "oh wow, some anomalous results there, need checking out by hand recounts". IF presidential counts are way off, suddenly there will be more ammunition to order hand recounts in other counties and states.

Musk's erase-erase computer program simply targeted large, diverse metropolitan areas. People were not waiting for hours to re-hire the elderly felon trying to avoid bankruptcy and prison. His first administration was a travesty of scandal, firings, impeachment, illegality, hate and inertia.

Early voting was insane everywhere. That alone put her over the top.

So, r26, the people who brought the case are using the example of alleged inflated and false votes for a Democratic Senate candidate to show that the Democratic presidential candidate allegedly had her votes tampered with. OK.

r28, you've misread the articles about the bringers of the suit, SMART elections. Here is that organization's full complaint:

"A formal complaint alleged that more voters submitted sworn affidavits claiming they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than were recorded and certified by the Rockland County Board of Elections, raising questions about the official results. The complaint also points to several statistical anomalies in the presidential election returns, including districts where hundreds of voters selected Democratic Senate candidate Kirsten Gillibrand, yet not a single vote was recorded for Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Kamala Harris".

Strictly anecdotal: my absentee ballot mailed from Dublin, Ireland, by registered post on Sept. 28, 2024, was still "making its way through the system" in Virginia on Election Day six weeks later. It arrived in the U.S. within one day but got stuck somewhere and was never processed. I filed a complaint with USPS but never received a satisfactory response. Shenanigans?

R29, what you quote in fact states that Diane Sare's vote tally was suspiciously low and Gillibrand's vote was inflated. If you'd read more from the group you'd be aware that their position is that Harris's low vote tally is evidence that Gillibrand's vote was inflated. They are not saying that Gillibrand's high vote means Harris's was deliberately suppressed. They are not questioning the presidential vote but the Senate vote.

Tick tock boom!

R24 That's why it's not worthy of a response.

R15 I was only pointing out the mistake, not making a statement about cheating by DJT. The end of his presidency can’t come soon enough for me…by whatever means. And to be fair, I don’t know which states were considered swing in the 1984 election.

What would the current state of affairs be if Kamala had won?

It'd be gloriously boring, r35

[quote] What would the current state of affairs be if Kamala had won?

If Kamala won, we'd be a brunch right now

R35 Overrun with illegals and on our knees praying to Allah after drug brunch.

I really hate what Trump has done to this board.

I really hate what Trump has done to this country.

I hate what Fox "News" and other right ring media have done too, r40. They paved the way for him.

[quote] Abraham Lincoln was not elected by secret ballot. The first fruits of the adoption of the secret ballot was Jim Crow.

Wrong. The secret ballot was introduced to reduce the hold of party machines over voters. Jim Crow was already underway when Progressives began pushing the secret ballot.

If the "good guys" have such a tenuous grasp of history, god help us.

Duh.

We all saw with our own eyes the massive numbers of early voting.

Then suddenly the maggots showed up on Election Day in yuge numbers? Not buying it abs I never bought it.

Exit polls showed the same results as the ballot counting did. Sorry, but she lost. These really are our fellow citizens. Sickening, but true.

"Biden’s Internal Polling Showed Trump Winning 400 Electoral Votes"

"Pod Save America host Jon Favreau said on the podcast Friday that President Joe Biden’s internal polls showed former President Donald Trump defeating him in an Electoral College landslide before he exited the race in July."

"Favreau, who called Biden’s decision to run for reelection “catastrophic,” also said the president’s team was secretly telling reporters that Vice President Kamala Harris was incapable of beating Trump, but he pushed her candidacy anyway."

"What would the current state of affairs be if Kamala had won?"

285,000 government employees would still have jobs. Netanyahu would never have the balls to bomb Iran, as he feels Trump has his back. Tariff-induced recession (or Depression?) wouldn't be on the horizon. Green energy exploration wouldn't be shelved indefinitely.

r31, you're 100% incorrect. Gillebrand was running against 2 candidates. She won by 52% (72,000 votes) to 46% for the Republican candidate (64,000 votes) and 327 votes for the Independent, Diane Sare. (Less than 1% of the vote)

It was the tininess of Sare's vote total which enabled people to notice that their votes weren't counted. Precincts typically have about 200 votes. Extrapolating the numbers above, that would have meant that in some mythical precinct that reflected the county as a whole, we would have expected Gillebrand to receive 104 votes, Sapraicone to receive 92 votes, and Sare to receive 8 votes. In some precinct, maybe one where Sare had a base of support of people who knew one another, they must have compared notes, and said, "hey, there are 9 of us on the "elect Diane Sare committee", and only 5 votes for her showed up in our precinct vote totals - what gives?"

Note that even a discrepancy of 50% would still have left Diane Sare with less than 1% of the vote. It would not have changed the outcome of the election whatsoever.

Now let's talk about the Presidential in Rockland County. Harris received 66,000 votes, vs. Trump receiving 83,000 votes.

Gillebrand is a moderately progressive Democrat, very much in the Kamala Harris mode. Same policies, same protections for women's rights, same stances on medical care, the economy and so forth.

So why would 6000 voters who voted FOR Gillebrand, change their presidential votes and vote for Trump whose policies were diametrically opposed to Gillebrands? That is a major red flag that something's rotten in Denmark

Even ascribing some of it to Harris's being a lesser known candidate and also to some lingering racial bias, that's still a huge discrepancy and again (this can't be repeated enough) Trump's policies and public statements were DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO Gillebrand's.

It's a statistical anomaly that is not explainable. There are often some undervotes and overvotes (where a Presidential candidate gets more or fewer votes than a downballot candidate). But those follow a predictable statistical path and this result far exceeds that path.

It's the statistical anomaly between Gillebrand's totals and Harris's totals that are raising eyebrows, not Gillebrand's totals vs. Sare's totals.

Too many of those “Genocide Joe” far-left assholes stayed home or voted Dump.

Trumpie R3 blocked further than Musk's satellite signals could ever reach. No doubt there was tampering. My question is, is this going anywhere?

[quote]Kamala lost. She was a terrible candidate. Her political future is done. She was inauthentic, contrived, and ill-prepared.

All true.

And yet, R50, she was a far better candidate than dirtball scumbag, sexual pervert, convicted felon, pathological liar, failed businessman and emtionally stunted Donald Trump.

That 80 million jack asses voted for him only means there are 80 million dirtball scumbag just like him.

Election Truth Alliance has the receipts. This election was stolen. Trump has cheated at everything he has ever done in life.

I haven’t taken a deep dive into this, but I know that Harris did especially poorly against Trump (compared to Biden ‘20) here in New Jersey. 10 points worse than Biden did. Biden won by 16 points; Harris by just under 6.

Are we to believe that that’s true, or are we also being asked (by those who say “stolen election”) to believe that Elon fucked with all the New Jersey votes too, even though it was electorally unnecessary to do so?

Trump and Elon basically bragged about it. Because they're total try hard dweebs who can't help themselves.

Truer words were never spoken @R51.

Is it time to conspira-SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ???

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Republicans have made an industry of vote fraud, starting with Floyd Carollo in Florida around 1990. Followed by William Welch and Election Systems & Software. Followed by Jeb Bush and his fake vote "scrubbing" campaign in Florida in 2000, followed by the misnamed "Help Amerca Vote (Steal) Act" followed by Kenneth Blackwell and the fraud in Ohio in 2004, followed by the botched attempts to steal in 2006 and 2008 (Hagele wanted more from them). So it would be surprising if they had not tried a hundred ways to steal the election. The question is what have they gotten away with, since at least in the early 2000s resistance rose and some election boards started taking security more seriously.

Have people still not read the actual article yet or are still incapable of reading it properly? The allegation is that Kristen Gillibrand's vote tally was inflated.

Again r59 , that is NOT the complete allegation. There are serious statistical anomalies in the overvotes for Trump and the undervotes for Harris, compared to downballot votes. Over and undervotes are common - but they follow a statistical norm. What happened in Rockland was far outside of statistical norms. The judge agreed, and hence has okayed discovery, which might include a full handcount. Why did YOU not read the full article?

Elon's rocket ships regularly fail. Why wouldn't his inaugural venture into vote tampering?

Because maybe it's not Elon, but someone better organized.

Who R62?

I love this idea, but seriously, do you think this would have been kept a secret? Nobody would have blabbed by now?

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Larry Ellison has been suspiciously absent from the news. Wonder what he has been up to lately.

2024 was the election to get rid of Trump. When he threw his hat in the ring, everyone groaned and said this isn't going to happen. Even some Magats wanted in on it, having given the genius billionaire the benefit of the doubt in 2016, then looking on in horror as they realized they'd been tricked. Women/#metoo; LGBTQ; blacks (Jan. 6th Confederate flags anyone?); foreigners he was threatening to deport; environmentalists; SCOTUS watchers; Covid victims...

They would've voted for Biden, but when Kamala injected youth and vitality into the race that was it: the money poured in.

This was the chance for revenge. A humiliating defeat for Trump. The comeuppance the courts just weren't giving. Everyone and their great-grandma was going to go out and destroy him.

Then...

R16 needs to finish his GED.

[quote] They would've voted for Biden, but when Kamala injected youth and vitality

No one connected Kamala with that. lol. She’s an old woman.

The way things are going, I wonder if we will ever know for sure

Normally the presidential race gets more votes than the downmarket races, so that is already an anomaly. But given the unpopularity of Trump, not necessarily proof.

Maybe this had to happen for the world to finally see just how awful Trump truly is - and for MAGA to finally get a dose of reality from the destruction they helped unleash.

[quote]Maybe this had to happen for the world to finally see just how awful Trump truly is

The rest of the world could clearly see what kind of person Trump is a decade ago R72. It's just Americans who fail to see him for what he is or they don't care or they want what he is. A lot of it is the latter.

And NOTHING that Trump can ever say or do or not do will change the MAGA cult's opinion of and support for Trump and the Trump administration policies. Nothing. And MAGA is now the entire Republican party. Even when their rabid Trump support bites them all in the ass - they will twist it to somehow be someone else's fault with a multitude of excuses and conspiracy theories.

Worth repeating: Every Republican Must Die

OP here.

Just so posters here don't think I'm biased (like who cares anyway). My title was from the title on the article as it appeared on the news site.

If I had wanted it to represent my feelings, I'd have written Trump Lost (rather than Kamala Won), placing emphasis on Trump. I think Trump losing was more important than Kamala winning. Far more. It seems a nuanced difference to some, but it's crucial to me.

I believe the election was tampered with. Absolutely! And it's been driving me bonkers, just to get some kind of vindication.

But as much as I wanted Kamala to win, I don't care about that anymore. Ultimately, I feel she betrayed me. Along with the entire Democratic party. "If we fight, we win!"

Uh....when did the fight start? Did I miss something??

You and your whole party fucking conceded before the vote counts were in! Days before! Those final tally numbers didn't look totally fucked up to you?? It made complete sense that, only in the final day of voting, Republicans showed up in droves? 67 bomb scares solely in Black Democratic districts weren't enough to call for investigation??? It was clearly and carefully planned. Like Russia didn't have help from people back here???

Like a triad of criminals Trump/Musk/Putin, suddenly win something without cheating when none of them have ever done that before? You truly believe that there are far more racist, bigoted, stupid idiots who would rather vote for Trump than perhaps that we, as a country, are better than that,,, so there must be a better explanation, because something is very wrong?? Why would you think that? Unless, you yourselves are so racist and corruptible, so why should you have faith in others??? In your constituents?

We became leader-less long before we realized!

Donald Trump loves his gays. He would never do anything to hurt his gays.

Donald Trump only hates trannies

R76 I disagree

HOW did Trump win ALL swing states? "The missing votes uncovered in Smart Elections’ legal case in Rockland County, New York, are just the tip of the iceberg—an iceberg that extends across the swing states and into Texas.

On Monday, an investigator’s story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 election—without independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.

These changes were labeled “de minimis”—a term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit files—yet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.

That revelation is a shock to the public. But for those who’ve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isn’t the headline—it’s the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtain—between tech giants and Donald Trump.

And it started with a long forgotten sale.

A Power Cord Becomes a Backdoor

In March 2021, Leonard Leo—the judicial kingmaker behind the modern conservative legal machine—sold a quiet Chicago company by the name of Tripp Lite for $1.65 billion. The buyer: Eaton Corporation, a global power infrastructure conglomerate that just happened to have a partnership with Peter Thiel’s Palantir.

To most, Tripp Lite was just a hardware brand—battery backups, surge protectors, power strips. But in America’s elections, Tripp Lite devices were something else entirely.

They are physically connected to ES&S central tabulators and Electionware servers, and Dominion tabulators and central servers across the country. And they aren’t dumb devices. They are smart UPS units—programmable, updatable, and capable of communicating directly with the election system via USB, serial port, or Ethernet.

ES&S systems, including central tabulators and Electionware servers, rely on Tripp Lite UPS devices. ES&S’s Electionware suite runs on Windows OS, which automatically trusts connected UPS hardware.

If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.

In Dominion’s Democracy Suite 5.17, the drivers for these UPS units are listed as “optional”—meaning they can be updated remotely without triggering certification requirements or oversight. Optional means unregulated. Unregulated means invisible. And invisible means perfect for infiltration. ... Enter the ballot scrubbing platform BallotProof. Co-created by Ethan Shaotran, a longtime employee of Elon Musk and current DOGE employee, BallotProof was pitched as a transparency solution—an app to “verify” scanned ballot images and support election integrity.

With Palantir's AI controlling the backend, and BallotProof cleaning the front, only one thing was missing: the signal to go live.

September 2024: Eaton and Musk Make It Official

Then came the final public breadcrumb: In September 2024, Eaton formally partnered with Elon Musk. The stated purpose? A vague, forward-looking collaboration focused on “grid resilience” and “next-generation communications.” But buried in the partnership documents was this line:

“Exploring integration with Starlink's emerging low-orbit DTC infrastructure for secure operational continuity.”

The Activation: Starlink Goes Direct-to-Cell

That signal came on October 30, 2024—just days before the election, Musk activated 265 brand new low Earth orbit (LEO) V2 Mini satellites, each equipped with Direct-to-Cell (DTC) technology capable of processing, routing, and manipulating real-time data, including voting data, through his satellite network.

DTC doesn’t require routers, towers, or a traditional SIM. It connects directly from satellite to any compatible device—including embedded modems in “air-gapped”

R7 2004 George Bush won the popular vote - was 2 decades ago - I said the first time in decades. Even repugs who have one elections routinely do not win the popular vote -

Kamala did not "betray" you. Grow up. Be angry at the dumb magats who think trump is the man, and all the people show stayed home.

[quote]Kamala did not "betray" you. Grow up. Be angry at the dumb magats who think trump is the man, and all the people show stayed home.

What makes you think the majority of those who stayed home would have voted for Kamala?

Denial is one of the stages of grief. Even if there were some issue in one area of dark blue New York, that doesn't matter much. Harris lost.

R80 Did you read the article?? If you believe the premise, they didn't stay home!

As many as 10 million votes might have been disappeared by Elon and those machines that were designed specifically for that purpose.

Either agree with the premise or don't.

That is exactly what I am concerned about, R83. It makes no sense to me considering the stakes in that election.

I’ve long suggested that the Democrats’ most grievous error (among many) was not calling for a recount or forensic audit of the election results in at least a single swing state, especially with the highly unlikely scenario of Trump winning all seven. It would have been a simple effort to ensure that the voting machine tabulation reports reflected the actual results, and with so much hanging in the balance for our nation, it seemed the very least they could and should have done.

In the Late fall of 2024, Kamala Harris’ rallies were the stuff of legend: with massive, exuberant overflow crowds showing up in every single stop of the campaign to hear a bold, eloquent, unifying message of America’s possibilities, while Trump was teetering around half-filled venues a third of the size, nonsensically mumbling out rambling word salads and personal grievences. Harris so thoroughly dismantled Trump during their first debate that he refused another.

One candidate was surging and vital, the other lumbering and listless.

Dems were canvassing in numbers they hadn’t seen in years, thanks to a passionate groundswell of support on the ground from energized voters.

News coverage of early voting, often seen as favoring Democratic candidates, showed overwhelming turnout throughout the country.

As election day approached, the national polls were close, but several of the critical swing states were favoring Harris, and it was widely believed that she had numerous possible electoral paths to the presidency, while Trump had very few.

It would have taken a near-perfect storm of Trump turnout, Dem ambivalence, and Independent apathy to hand Trump victory, and, well, you know the rest.

In one of his recent petulant, scorned-lover X posts, Elon wrote: “Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House, and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate.”

And yes, we might interpret that as Musk publicly reminding Trump of the difference his financial contributions, campaign appearances, and social media interference all made in the 2024 outcome, but it’s also as likely that he is saying all he can without implicating himself in a crime, one that he, if anyone, was completely capable of.

Is it so difficult to believe that the richest and most powerful man on the planet, whose technological reach is unmatched, didn’t leverage that to alter the results of an election, given that back in June of 2024, he tweeted, “Anything can be hacked”?

I was certain Kamala was going to win, for what that's worth.

[quote]In the Late fall of 2024, Kamala Harris’ rallies were the stuff of legend: with massive, exuberant overflow crowds showing up in every single stop of the campaign to hear a bold, eloquent, unifying message of America’s possibilities, while Trump was teetering around half-filled venues a third of the size, nonsensically mumbling out rambling word salads and personal grievences. Harris so thoroughly dismantled Trump during their first debate that he refused another.

Why no mention of the fact that the Dems internal polling showed Trump winning?

And this: "while Trump was teetering around half-filled venues a third of the size, nonsensically mumbling out rambling word salads and personal grievences.

Meanwhile, Trump was doing freewheeling 3 hour podcast interviews that were getting millions of views. "Joe Rogan's Trump interview hits 38 million views in 3 days " - The Hill.

Kamala didn't even allow an interview until September. And they were pretty lackluster. Remember her first interview with Walz sitting beside her?

Why doesn't the author mention her disastrous interview on The View where she said she would not have done anything different than Biden, one of the most unpopular Presidents in history?

And on and on.

Kamala was a terrible candidate to pit against Trump. Pelosi, Obama and others knew that well.

[quote]I was certain Kamala was going to win, for what that's worth.

That's what only getting your news from CNN and MSNBC will do for you.

Babes, you realize that all federal election voting is fake, right? There's a performative aspect to letting people *think* there's a democratic system of counting actual votes, but that's a lie. Presidents are "selected" by the corporate oligarchy and military industrial complex who have specific plans and goals mapped out. Doesn't matter if every single person in the country voted. From the polling to manipulated voting patterns and eventually the final tallying -- all are manipulated to reflect that a "majority" of the people voted for a particular president. It's one of the biggest scams going. Trump is merely the crazy uncle mouthpiece for the GOP/Conservative parasites who want to construct a sort of feudal system going forward. Or rather, they want to return to a feudal system. In addition, the president appoints chief of staff, press secretary, and other roles/positions with input or strict instruction from those selecting the president. When someone goes awry from the behind-the-scenes plan, the oligarchy launches an expulsion process usually with a manufactured scandal of some sort. We've seen this play out many many times, most recently with Musk. Trump is merely a puppet as was Biden, and Obama, and Bush, and so on. The oligarchy is more than happy for Trump to pretend to be making the moves and decisions that impact the world so long as he stays in his own lane and does its prescribed bidding. The longer some of you sit with this unpleasant reality, and contemplate it, the more you will come to see that this is how it has been for a very long time. Presidents are installed, not voted in. Hope this helps.

The story in the article portrayed and R88's post is the difference between a real conspiracy, and a conspiracy theory.

Facts back the voting machines story, yet there has been no real investigation or even mention by the Democratic party, which is concerning.

There are no facts to back R88's story. It is merely speculation.

However, that does not mean that R88 is mistaken. I happen to agree with him.

R89 I agree with your points. The situation goes deeper than voting machines. It speaks to long-range plans being put into place by those in power so they can hold onto power. Voting machine manipulation, whether true or not, is a nice division-stoking side-effect which pits members of the population against one another, endlessly.

People are going to need to zoom out and do some pattern recognition. They're also going to have to disentangle from their preferred political ideological egregore to do this pattern recognition. Ask yourselves: if the long-range plan was to install an oligarchy as rulers, you know you need to fracture the population to make that happen successfully. And using racism is one, sure-fire, no-brainer tactic.

Now, what do you suppose would be a good way to not only amplify existing blatant racism in people, but to stoke awake all the latent racism and resentment in people? Perhaps by installing a black president? And if the fracturing wasn't extensive enough, install the black president again. Obama didn't achieve anything in office except what he was allowed to "achieve." All those campaign promises he failed to deliver? He blamed it on the GOP, and of course, this helps to fracture the population further.

What would be the next best strategy after stoking racist fires? How about installing someone like Trump, who is not only conspicuously racist but polarizing in many other ways as well? Fired up those already racist and newly awakened MAGAS and gave them someone to rally behind. Then, after Trump's first term, it's time for a quality control check. So, Biden is installed in a "win" that has the racists convinced the election was stolen. Biden was a doddering but benign interim figurehead, but the intention was to continue to fracture the population.

Then comes Project 2025, which was ready to be implemented as quickly as possible once the staging was organized. How does that happen? By installing Trump for a second time, and he's now even more blatant with this bigotry and racism, and so are most of the rest of the GOP bringing to a fever pitch the parts of the population that reverently support him.

All of the above might make one feel hopeless, and yes, it will likely get worse before it gets better. The people must also act strategically. To collapse a structure, you have to chip away at the foundational elements keeping it in place.  If you chop away at the foundation of a building, the entire thing eventually collapses. The top cannot support itself alone. The current oligarchy feels the structure beginning to wobble, thus it has increased the use of fascist/authoritarianism and religious extremism as control mechanisms.

You want the fascists out of office sooner? Help with the collapse of the structures that are keeping these ancient codgers (and the young, brainwashed zealots who have been captured by the stale ideologies) sitting comfortably at the top. Make them uncomfortable in any way you can. Become ungovernable. And you can be ungovernable in numerous small, under-the-radar ways.

R88/R90?

I'll take some of the drugs [italic]you're[/italic] having!

NEW Reports Question Trump's 2024 "Win,"

Well certainly they think they can do it again, right? So why doesn't Trump behave with more confidence?

So in order to prove it was done we have to get our hands on these peripheral devices.

I heard the data blew up in a musk rocket

Are they still saying Trump appearing on Joe Rogaine charmed the Under-45 brahs so much that they voted for him near-unanimously?

I'm open to the idea. But I need proof. And the proof cannot be "come on! Look at this data! It HAS to be!" That's what they tried in 2020.

Even if there is proof there isn't much can be done now. Just use it to make sure it doesn't happen again.

At least this is getting the most attention it ever has so if Elon Muk is thinking of pulling the same shit for next year‘s midterms, hopefully he’ll have the sense not to try it.

Thank God they were tampered with! Her cackle was intolerable.

It's funny how people here are still incapable of comprehending that this case is about the alleged tampering of voting machines to inflate the Democrat tally for the Senate race.

No, it's funny that you've been called on that misrepresentation of the case several times in this thread and you are still repeating your erroneous point of view. WHY? Statistical evidence was presented to the judge that the spread between the undervotes for Harris and the overvotes for Trump were incredibly anomalous. What is your stake in denying that OVER AND OVER?

#101, the closeted elderklangrannycaftans feel Trump will protect their inve$tment$. And he's pro-Israel.

R101, again, what's funny is that you are denying what the allegations in the case actually are.

The allegations, as they appear but are also ignored in r1, are:

[quote]In Rockland County, New York, several voters testified under oath that their ballots didn’t match the official results. Senate candidate Diane Sare reportedly lost votes in precinct after precinct:

[quote]In one district, 9 voters claimed they voted for Sare, but only 5 votes were recorded.

[quote]In another, 5 voters swore they supported her, but only 3 votes appeared.

The claims that Harris's vote was suspiciously low were made by other people, not the people bringing the case. For the people bringing the case, Harris's vote was atypical when compared to votes for downballot Democrats, but they also believe that the vote of downballot Democrat Kristen Gillibrand was inaccurate and inflated.

Where did you get the idea that "Statistical evidence was presented to the judge that the spread between the undervotes for Harris and the overvotes for Trump were incredibly anomalous." I haven't seen the people who presented the material to the judge make that claim anywhere. In fact, what they claimed is that Trump's vote was typical when compared to downballot Democrats, They said that Harris's vote was not typical when compared to downballot Democrats, but, as just stated, they also presented what they believe in the district that they looked at that downballot Democrat Kristen Gillibrand's votes were inflated and inaccurate.

Of course, it could be the case that the voting machines were rigged to give Gillibrand extra votes and take votes from Harris, but it would be quite amazing if individual machines were sucessfully rigged by both sides.

Lulu Friesdat, from SMART Legislation, which is the plaintiff in this case.

[quote]“There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely,” stated Lulu Friesdat, Founder and Executive Director of SMART Legislation.

She does kind of "both sides" it, by saying that the Senate results (i.e. for Gillibrand) are incorrect and the presidential results unlikely, but she's clearly saying Gillibrand's votes are inaccurate and presented the judge with what she claims is evidence that more voters voted for Sare than for Gillibrand appear in the final tally. Ultimately, she wants to get publicity for her organisation, which campaigns against voting machines and wants to restore paper ballots.

An extract from the statement by SMART Elections, who brought the case.

[quote]As stated in the complaint, more voters have sworn they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections counted and certified, directly contradicting those results. Additionally, the presidential election results exhibit numerous statistical anomalies. The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

So, they're saying: a) there is evidence Gillbrand's votes were inflated, and b) there is a statistical anomaly between Gillbrand's and Harris's votes. If they believe that Gillbrand's votes were inflated then that they would likely explain the difference between Gillbrand's vote and Harris's vote as being due to an error in the count for the Senate vote and not in the count for the presidential vote. Perhaps they are saying both elections for rigged in favour of the two different parties, but that's a little schizophrenic. Maybe their real aim is to get publicity for their cause.

The SMART Elections report with the statistical analysis of the presidential vote says:

[quote]2020 - Biden usually got more votes than the down ballot Democractic candidates. This is typical.

[quote]2024 - Harris often got fewer votes than the down ballot Democractic candidate. This is not typical.

[quote]2020 & 2024 - Trump got more votes than the down ballot Republican candidates. This is typical.

So, Trump's votes were typical when compared with downballot Republicans, but Harris's votes were not typical when compared with downballot Democrats. But the same organisation also believes that in the voting district that they examined, a downballot Democrat's votes were inflated. Make of that what you will, but I guess there's a reason why Democrats aren't jumping on this case.

I could see Harris polling less than downballot Dems. People exclaim "But, she had all those packed rallies!" True, but she didn't go far enough beyond the core, based Dem voters. She came to office after a failure of a campaign in 2020. Biden was revered, again, by partisan Democrats. Fully understandable that some voters left pres line blank.

This was very fishy:

Joe Rogan Claims Elon Musk Knew Donald Trump Won '4 Hours' Prior To Official Results Through His App.

“Apparently Elon created an app and he knew who won the election four hours before the results,” Rogan said. “So as the results are coming in, four hours before they called it, Dana White told me Elon said ‘I’m leaving. It’s over. Donald won.’”

“I don’t know where he’s pulling his data from but he had the most accurate data in terms of the rural states hadn’t put their results in yet but yet Trump was ahead in these states. Kamala was never going to win those states, so tabulated that, and put it all together. I don’t know how he did it,” he added.

None of this smells right. But when does one open this particular Pandora's Box? And what are we hoping for as an outcome? What if it's all in motion and already too late?

He will never leave. Period.

r105, I explained this all VERY THOROUGHLY in r47. There are some erroneous conclusions reached above, such as that Sare would have beaten Gillebrand in that county except for vote inflation.

NO. Sare got 347 votes out of roughly 130,000 cast. Her average per precinct was probably 5 or fewer votes. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that she could have come close to Gillebrand, even if her votes were miscounted by an average of 100%. (Meaning that she would have gotten 10 votes per precinct instead of 5)

That potential disparity does not come CLOSE to explaining why Harris got 7000 votes fewer than were cast for Gillebrand. And Trump got 40,000 votes MORE than the downballot Republican Senate candidate. Both are practically statistically impossible.

The Dems couldn’t contest because there is a margin of error required for courts to hear the case. So AMAZINGLY, he not only won every single critical precinct, but he also won them just beyond that margin, making it impossible for Dems to contest. At least, this is my understanding, and if true, it points toward fraud more than anything else. The odds of it all landing *perfectly* where he needed it, well, it is beyond incredible to me. He was fucking hated by the majority, enough that she should have won. It was rigged.

go back and look at the magat reaction in 2016.

"i cant believe they pulled this shit off" maga in 2016

" i can't believe they pulled this shit off again" maga in 2024.

scum.

why is this thread fucking greyed out magat shit heads skum

[quote] At least, this is my understanding, and if true, it points toward fraud more than anything else. The odds of it all landing *perfectly* where he needed it, well, it is beyond incredible to me.

R111

[quote]Joe Rogan Claims Elon Musk Knew Donald Trump Won '4 Hours' Prior To Official Results Through His App.

^ It's hard to know that exactly means.

Trump officially won the 2024 election at 2:46 am.

4 hours prior to that, the NYTimes and Polymarket were all but announcing Trump's win. If you were watching the results as they came in, you knew by 10PM there was no hope for Kamala.

Ginny in Billing is MAGA and she knew Trump won 12 hours before it was announced.

Does it even matter at this point?

Kamala did say she'd buy (or already has) a handgun.

Bump

I expected Trump to win, but his swing was implausible.

I completely believe this story. What I don't understand is why the Dems didn't demand at least one recount. I don't care if it would have made them look ridiculous like the Republican shitheads who demanded (and were given!) the recount in Arizona. They were frauds! This is real!

Our party betrayed us out of ego.

We wouldn't be in recession and we'd be having record tourism

Grocery prices would be down about 25% from where they are now, as would gas prices.

More indication of voter manipulation...

Bump

Don't be naive- it happens every year all over the world.

You'll never go broke betting on Republicans to do the wrong thing.

You will go broke if you elect them.

More after the fact, circumstantial evidence they cheated: He always drops these lawsuits (quietly) after starting them. It's all performative.

He knows discovery will uncover evidence he doesn't want anyone else to see.

Clinging to "She really won ..." is a denial stage of grief. She wasn't wanted by enough voters.

R130 Unless she actually DID win. Now, you go focus on Dem mid-terms and do your best to "vote harder!".