Wouldn't it be better for the British Royal Family's to mend the relationship with Harry & Meghan?

Meghan is an unpredictable loon. Nobody wants her nearby. She's better off in California where even celebrities avoid her.

The whole thing has always been so weird to me. In the run up to H&M’s wedding, the four young royals seemed like a dream team. It was Avery good visual image for an archaic institution. It seemed like all four of them could have benefited mightily by riding it out and seeing how far they could heighten their status. It’s weird that h&m were miserable enough to not be able to go on.

It's because they are erratic and indiscreet. If they had gone away and stayed quiet, they would be in a much better spot now. People who can't be trusted are of zero use to a PR operation like the royal family.

I think it's secretly money driven. They were going to be on a fixed income, which was possibly expected to decrease each year or something for cost savings, and they probably thought they deserved more. They probably tried to negotiate the amounts, then turned to public-private partnerships, but that wasn't accepted. So they made the decision to leave without a solid plan on how to support themselves or the lifestyle they want.

Both Meghan and 'H' are undeniably toxic at this point. So, no. There will never be any reconciliation. Ever. There will be polite interaction by the Royals, but only when absolutely necessary.

R4 - Harry and Meghan? Nah - I think it's a bold move to step away when you're the 'spare' and won't have a ton to do as a lesser royal. Who wants a life like that? A life like Princess Anne's or Princess Margaret's or Prince Andrew's?

And Diana left Harry a good sum of money because she knew he needed options. Harry's been overlooked his entire life - I think his move away his brave and best for his mental health and personal identity.

It's one thing to have the future King or Queen to have such a prescripted life, but it's not necessary for everyone else in the family to have the same shackles.

Also, Meghan is terrified of Kate, as she should well be.

At what point should they have mended things. When they gave an interview calling them all racist? When he shadow wrote a tell all book? Or when he accused Charles of trying to get him killed by somehow ,making the government not provide him armed security?

R6 You seem to have the understanding of a child.

Prince Philip had Meghan’s number very early on. His nickname for her was DOW (the Duchess of Windsor).

Nah R9 - I just don't buy into all this Harry & Meghan hate-machine. What's childish are these outdated rules for the royal family. Let people be people.

Margaret was, and Andrew is, a spoilt, entitled nightmare. Anne on the other hand has worked tirelessly for Save The Children for decades, often in conditions that would test most people. She has frequently performed the most public engagements of anyone in the royal family, and she is known to be down to earth and conscientious. She has earned the public’s respect.

[quote]What's childish are these outdated rules for the royal family. Let people be people.

Fine. How about you ask Meghan and Harry why they insist on continuing to use their Royal titles, believe that the British taxpayer should pay for their security, go on faux Royal tours, lie to the media about their treatment by the Royals, put on skits about car chases to stay in the public eye, and the list goes on and on. They are both comically immature and needy for people nearing their 40's.

Yes, let people be people, but from their perspective, that means ensuring that they have limitless more of unearned privilege than you or I, and just for good measure they demand your deference and respect at the same.

They are running a clown show for the gullible.

[quote]They are both comically immature and needy for people nearing their 40's.

Meghan is way beyond 40.

It was a remote possibility it could have been fixed until the publication of "Spare," but that just went too far. In it, Harry actually tattled on his father's and brother's behavior towards him at Prince Philip's funeral. Charles's father had just died and Harry was using the occasion as yet another opportunity to tally grievances publicly.

He showed them then they can never trust him again. This is why they refuse to speak to him--any innocent conversation with him will just inevitably become more grist for his grievance mill. Why would you want to reconcile with someone who does that?

OP what do you mean by damaging? What would you offer as proof? The royals seem to be just fine. Most people see that grifter Meager Muckle as the problem

How would it benefit the Royal Family, OP?

It's important to remember that the royal family are not seeking celebrity. They are carrying out their duties. Yes, they want good PR, but that is secondary to simply getting the job done. King Charles has demonstrated that, despite his ongoing treatments, he is determined to do his duty as Head of State. Harry and Meghan seek attention and money, and are willing to sell out their family for attention and money. The family rightfully cannot trust them, so they are kept at arm's length.

Meghan is a self absorbed twit but over the years it has become clear that Harry is 90% of the problem.

Meghan herself has not said a word about her in laws in years at this point.

She doesn't have to...she can manipulate Harry to do all the bad things.

Which she thinks will help her in the divorce, when she imagines she will have to deal with the King's lawyers.

Is meg the cunt now posting on here?

Meghan is not a team player. She has "main character" syndrome amongst other personality disorders. She will wreak havoc in any situation where she is not the center of attention.

Harry is a very damaged individual and beyond repair. There is no amount of love, forgiveness, medication or therapy that will ever cure or fix him.

R24, in a BRF that can put up with Von Reibnitz, there has to be a place for Meg.

Princess Michael of Kent never had fuck-you money; that is how the RF can keep her at heel.

Interesting how it all comes down to money with the BRF...

Oh goodness, I just realized that thread title doesn't really make sense. I think I changed the wording halfway through but didn't read it before I posted. Oops.

Yes, R16, it does seem that the Royal Family is doing okay. What I meant was that the Royal Family as an institution seems so concerned with public opinion and keeping scandal to a minimum that it doesn't make sense to me that they wouldn't have cleaned this up for public consumption. I didn't intend to start a debate on who has wronged who, or who's right and who's wrong, but I guess it was inevitable that the thread would immediately turn to that. The way they've dealt with it over the last few years seems childish. It makes the King and William look insecure and weak. Like R2 says, they had an opportunity to revive the monarchy - perhaps in a way that hadn't been seen since Charles and Diana. The way it stands now it just makes them all look like The Real Housewives of Buckingham Palace.

^^^ OP

Au contraire r28, to date, the Royal Family have dealt perfectly with the malignant cancer known as Meghan and Harry. Cut the tumour out and get on with your life.

OP - why is your position that the royal family needs to be the ones to repair this? This whole matter is due to Mr. & Mrs. Markle.

[quote]Meghan is terrified of Kate, as she should well be.

Not just "Kate", either.

If OP’s singular thought is their new PR team’s doing, they’re in deeper shit than before.

Harry wants to be a perpetual victim. That's the role he's settled into. And if he needs to make up grievances for this ... That's what he'll do. He lost his mother. This is awful. But William did too. Many other people did too. You should probably not make this your whole identity

What's the diff between the Twerkles' old crap PR and the new crap PR? Answer: more time zones to display woe is me victimhood. Whimper whimper.

The monarchy is fine and doesn't need "reviving", r28, and certainly not by Harry and Meghan.

R19 She hasn’t said anything about her in-laws in years? Her paid comments to Oprah and the world trashing them whilst lying wasn’t enough?

Funny you don’t mention that Meghan hasn’t spoken TO her own family for far longer.

One wonders why.

OP, you’re American, right?

There is no scandal. The British people are not paying attention to Harry and Meghan. The majority of the British people approve of the family’s isolation of the couple.

The royal family has retained its popularity by moving with the times. There is no appetite for Harry and Meghan’s 17th-or 18th-century conception of royalty.—-defence without duty, active application of lease-majesty laws, royal interference in politics, and commercialisation of titles. Their most absurd proposed move back to the 18th century is the idea that these kids with no connection to the country will swoop in adulthood into royal roles just like the House of Hanover did in 1714.

I knew this thread would stir up a bunch of bitching. Yes, R38, I'm American. I think the institution is stuck in the past and it hasn't dealt well with the Harry & Meghan situation. They seem callous. They didn't learn from the mistakes with Diana that someone coming into the fold should be guided in a way to help them. With Harry's & Meghan's star power at the time they married, there was a great opportunity for the firm to modernize and be seen as more inclusive; a huge number of the people in the Commonwealth are non-white. It must be a horribly smothering life to be a Royal. I can see very well why they wanted to chart their own path.

It’s not stirring up a lot of bitching. It’s confirming common knowledge: they’ve failed.

As have you. People have trashed everything you wrote but you plow on, unable or unwilling to read the room. If you had convincing arguments, people would be convinced. You don’t and they aren’t. Stop beating a dead horse.

R39. Star power? I usually scoff at the idea that people posting here are PR agents, but it’s hard to imagine anyone else saying Meghan had star power

And, yes, the royal family learned not to rush an outsider into the family, particularly an outsider with attention-seeking tendencies. William learned that lesson perfectly. Harry did not learn it at all, and he’s upset at William for advising against rushing into the marriage.

Op is meg. Kate should have ripped out Meg’s weave when she had the chance

It's not a question of the royal family mending its relationship with the two effing grifters, it's a matter of the two effing grifters apologizing and mending their relationship with the royal family.

But it's too late. The damage is done. The royal family does not trust the two effing grifters and never will. The most anyone could hope for is that the relationship be at least civil. But that won't happen either. The two effing grifters don't just have a personal problem with members of the royal family, they have a problem with the institution of the royal family. The two effing grifters threaten the very existence of the institution. And a relationship will never work if that's the attitude.

How do you have a civil relationship with effing grifter who you don't trust and who live halfway around the world with no communication? Forget it, It's over.

Harry and Markle are just plain fucking dumb.

They insisted that the style of "HRH" be included on their kids' birth certificates because as Harry said, he wanted to preserve the opportunity for his kids to one day make their own decision about becoming working members of the royal family. Is he out of his fucking mind? The royal family won't even allow Harry and Markle to be working members of the royal family. Harry and Markle were working members, but they left and have caused irreparable damage. And there's no way back.

It's not up to the Harry and Markle's kids to someday decide if they want to become working members of the royal family. It is up to the royal family if they will decide, accept and welcome the kids to become working members. The royal family may have no reason to dislike kids, but that is a far cry from becoming working members. For one, the kids have no relationship with the royal family, the British public or the monarchy. And by extension, there will always be a certain amount of distrust toward the kids because their effing grifting parents cannot be trusted,

Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are not officially working members because the royal family does not want any backlash from the public due to their father, Prince Andrew. Beatrice nd Eugenie are there for some royal duties now and then, but Charles and William are still worried about the Andrew connection. Beatrice and Eugenie are perfectly fine young women and would be good representatives for the royal family. There has never been an ounce of scandal with either one of them. And they are right there--upstanding members of the royal family living in London. And yet there is still some hesitation with them. Plus, they now have their onw lives. Also, Princess Anne's kids are not working royals, and everyone likes them.

What makes Harry and Markle think that their kids will have the option of becoming working members no matter what their title are? The royal family wants nothing to do with Harry and Markle--and by presumably by extension will have nothing to do with kids as working members of the royal family. Lastly, the kids are American. The royal family will not have Americans who they hardly know representing the monarchy.

Harry and Markle delusional idiots.

R44. It wasn't the kids' birth certificates in question. Harry insisted that "HRH" be included on his kids' British passports.

I heard that regarding Harry's to preserve the option that his kids will someday becoming working members of the family, Harry is trying to play the long game. He knows that Charles nor William will never accept Archie and Lilibet as working members of the royal family.

Instead, Harry thinks that when William's son, George, becomes king, he might want Archie and Lilibet to become working members because they are cousins, and Harry thinks that George will look more favorably on Archie and Lilibet.

Harry--don't count on it. If Archie and Lilibet remain in the United States, they will still be American, and George will have no relationship, trust or friendship with them. Why would anyone ever think that the royal family would agree to any of this? It's the royal family's decision--not the decision of Archie and Lilibet.

Would you trust someone who wrote a book and blabbed intimate details about your family for money?

Snitches get stitches.

It has been well documented that Meghan was offered plenty of guidance. She rejected it. Try another tactic, dear. Replaying all of Meghan's past lies is rather pathetic.

Do Sussex stans like the OP all share one braincell or do they think the rest of us are as dumb as them? Things must be pretty dire in Montecito if they're hoping to guilt the crown into taking the two attention whores back.

[quote]They didn't learn from the mistakes with Diana that someone coming into the fold should be guided in a way to help them.

You cannot teach a narcissist anything unless they really want to learn it (eg Diana wanted to learn to be more stylish: Meghan doesn't). Unless they specifically state otherwise, it can be safely assumed they always know best about everything. Diana and Meghan were both narcissists. Sophie, OTOH, came in from a normal job and she did great with fewer supports than were available to either of them, because she was sane and had a reasonable level of humility. Likewise Catherine. Sophie and Catherine also had support from their birth families, again because they weren't narcissists.

Sophie made a complete tit of herself when she was caught in a tabloid sting, shooting her mouth off to an undercover reporter and being hugely indiscreet. She should have had better guidance.

OP the only people who care about this stuff are Americans like you who are for some reason still obsessed with a family and a system of government that has nothing to do with you and about which you know fuck all.

Seriously, either install a new American royal family (how’s that going with King Donald?) or stick to binge watching The Crown and catching up on the latest “news” from People, New York Post, Lipstick Alley or Celebitchy and pretending that it’s real.

So many of you love making a point about getting rid of the monarchy in the War of Independence so, seriously, why can’t you just let it go? Is it buyer’s remorse? FOMO? I’m almost embarrassed for you.

Fast forward 15 years and imagine Archie and Lilibet - a couple of totally clueless Californian teenagers stumbling through the labyrinth of the English class system - showing up at Heathrow and ready to represent Uncle William, wearing stone washed jeans and trucker caps - like totally Uncle Will - where’s Westminster Abbey? Of course by then they’ll be in a reality TV show - Real Royal Brats of Montecito.

I’d almost watch it.

Early stumbles, r51, and was being deliberately targeted by the paps. But she set that to the side, learnt her lessons and is now a highly respected member of the royal family.

I wonder if Harry will want to send the kids to boarding school in the UK.

It would be better if these skilless fugly accident of births got real jobs. Disney is hiring and they already have the costumes.

The loon is back.

No. They blabbed to Oprah about everything. There's only room for one couple as BRF stars.

Meghan learned how to be a narcissist from her dad.

R58 you'd know

R60 is obsessed with the British royal family.

I get a kick out of thinking that Netflix went absolutely ballistic over the Oprah interview because that stuff should’ve be saved for the Netflix show.

How much do you think Oprah paid H and M?

[quote]I wonder if Harry will want to send the kids to boarding school in the UK.

I wonder if the Waleses will, now that Kate has been through what she has. There must be good public schools where kids don't have to board.

R61 is obcessed with the TAXES they have to pay to support this Obsolete Cosplay Circus.

que all the culty royalss dolts: "But they pay for themselves and are such "hard workers"😂

Saving tax money is one of stupidest reasons for abolishing the monarchy. But you are notoriously stupid.

R65 you are obviously stupid Murican

That the "but, but blood is always stronger than water" camp who always want families to "come together" have an opinion on the British royal family always makes me laugh. I picture behemoth sleeveless slags with monster tits hanging below their gunts, duking it out on some Jerry Springer format TV show -- but with one stubby fat pinky extended for elegance.

[quote] I wonder if the Waleses will, now that Kate has been through what she has. There must be good public schools where kids don't have to board.

Both William and Kate went to boarding schools, so I don't know why she'd be against it. The Waleses live in Windsor right across the river from Eton, where William went to school. I don't know why they wouldn't send their kids there since they could see them very easily on weekends, as William did with his grandparents.

Or they could be day students

Harry is a moron, as for his wife, you can't blame a snake for being a snake.

Harry should be punished for marrying that gold digging wench. They'd welcome him back after the divorce. Let's see if Meggy can make it on her own !!

Nah, I doubt it R71. He burned all the bridges and dug his own grave. I doubt they want him back. Who would trust him? Nobody.

And I don’t think he’ll leave her. She may leave him, deciding it’s not worth it, but he won’t go because he has nothing else. Nothing. No career, no talent, no education, no skills, not even much intelligence. Juggling pays shit, too.

We make our choices and he’s made his.

But, R53, they'll have good manners and know how to grow and sell vegetables at the local market!

And no generational trauma!

No. The same drama would play out again and the Sussexes have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted not to publicize family matters for a quick buck.

Forget nutcase Meghan for a second

What was Harry thinking talking shit about the family? Probably the only thing to get him completely exiled.

I don’t think there is way back into the fold, even if he gets divorced

Back to Meghan. She didn’t make him do anything he wasn’t willing and ready to do.

Why is OP so invested in Harry after so many examples of why he is not trustworthy and repeatedly demonstrates poor judgment? It's bafflingl -- expending so much time and verbiage on such a lost cause as the Sussexes.

"better" for the BRF--how so? They do not need to bring Harry and Meghan back into the fold considering how unpopular the Sussexes are in the UK.

To me, the biggest clue about both Harry and Meghan is that they can't laugh about themselves. The second biggest clue is that Meghan has effectively cut Harry off from his entire family and isolated him, so better to manipulate him.

R79 cannot be repeated enough.

[quote]imagine Archie and Lilibet - a couple of totally clueless Californian teenagers stumbling through the labyrinth of the English class system - showing up at Heathrow and ready to represent Uncle William

Jethro and Ellie May are getting nowhere near the Crown or anything to do with it. Trust me.

Harry cut himself off from his family, then made a mint by publishing a tell-all book. No one forced him to do either.

I would imagine most normal people really don't pay that much attention to them. Many people don't read tabloids. The only place I even see their names is here

And yet, here you are commenting on them R83.

The King is an old man and has cancer. That would be a cue for most people to make peace, but it looks like it won’t happen. There are two sides to every story, so it’s not helpful to apportion blame without knowing the whole background.

Would not be better. Waiting for William to finish them off. The mixed race mediocre ex actress is a grifter and it will never end-NEVER END!

Reading comprehension R84?

OP, it would!

But they won’t even attempt to do so.

Narcissism & hubris rule the roost in this particular situation, & there’s absolutely no way that Harry’s family will attempt to mend fences, as they themselves have their own version of truth, and refuse to be objective.

I feel for Harry & Meghan. I too, was raised by a very screwed up mom, who ended up married to a man who is more cunning & devious than her, & I’m pretty sure that when my mom passes, I will not be told of her passing, nor have an opportunity to attend her funeral, all because I FINALLY fought back after years of shitty behavior directed towards me, because at one point, I refused to participate in the conglomerate of lies used to protect her abusive husband. Even my mom’s own family view me as a whack job because I broke away from keeping family secrets, & made a choice to stop participating & engaging in the soul destroying behavior of covering up for domestic violence & family abandonment, which ran rampant in my mom’s family, along with other outside influences, when I was a kid & a young adult, all the way to present day.

There’s absolutely no way that Harry’s family, & some in Meghan’s family, will attempt to reconcile, despite their hollow statements to the press, & I genuinely hope Harry never mentions these people, ever again.

Diana’s sons were never loved. They were simply trained to play a role in the Royal Family Industrial Complex, aka: The Firm.

My heart goes out to both sons and their wives, who got caught up in this unwittingly, simply by birth, & the time of their births.

It’s not OK to destroy people for telling the truth, or who walked away due to the all encompassing wounds dealt towards them, for being honest.

Monarchy sucks, but many people, particularly those in the gutter press, rely on ghoulish rhetoric in order to make a buck.

There’s absolutely NO way out, even if you get out. The best thing to do is to protect one’s self & make a new and separate life away from it, despite of it all.

Good luck to Harry, Meghan, & the kids. Getting away took gravitas, & I’m proud of them for choosing to leave, & hope they survive all of it. ❤️

But they don’t want to get out, R88.

They want the perks of royalty without doing the work. They wanted “half-in, half-out” and that’s not the way it works.

R88 This is not your journal, you absolute lunatic.

The half in half out idea was utterly doomed and shows Harry's complete ignorance of the UK constitution. There is absolutely no way a UK government would allow an active royal to freelance in their own time away from supervision. Imagine the security and reputational risks.

R88 WTF you talking’ about?

They don’t want a new and separate life. They want his old life, paid for by his family and with security provided by the Brits which they can’t have armed in the US and they won’t get the way he wants when in the UK.

They’ve need to grow up and shut up about their terrible trials when they are among the most privileged people on earth. Dunno about you, but if I were in their position and yet constantly ragging on about my awful Dad and sainted dead mother at the age of 40, I’d be ashamed of myself. Why aren’t they?

R91 has it exactly right. The state does not support the royals so they can go off an make even more money, i.e., to monetize their royal status. Of course it was Meghan's idea (not understanding how a constitutional monarchy works in the 21st century), and of course she persuaded Harry that "half in, half out' was essential for her mental health, playing on his fears, magnified by Meghan making it a racial issue with both the press and members of the royal family. Queen Elizabeth II, who has never stopped any member of her family from marrying who they want (although she has the constitutional right to do so) since the debacle of Princess Margaret's relationship with Group Captain Peter Townsend, knew what Meghan was about but could only put her foot down on the issue of "half in, half out." And she did so wisely. Harry and Meghan have been having a years-long tantrum ever since. If only Meghan could have been satisfied with being the fourth woman in the country -- one day becoming the second woman -- but, instead, she had to be first.

So, R88, is all of Hollywood in the Palace's pocket, too? Their behavior has made them a mockery in the U.S. - do you attribute that to the monarchy on another continent? Their past and present are littered with burnt bridges both personal and in multiple professions - did the royals perpetrate that, too? Do you really think such a grand conspiracy involving thousands of people would hold this long?

Might it be that they are their own worst enemy?

I don't know what is more loathsome - H&M or their deluded fans who do not address obvious facts. Well, tick-tock, the clock and their bank accounts are running down. Pretty soon they will not be able to afford the most meager of press and will fade into complete oblivion.

R93, it’s wrong to say the queen prevented Margaret from marrying Townsend. She was free to do so but she would have to give up her place in the line of succession since he was divorced or something. Since Anne and Charles had already been born at that point, you’d think it was a minor point. Their relationship however was cooling off at that point. Margaret decided to stay put.

What the Queen (and Queen Mother) did was to make Margaret wait till she was 25 to marry Townsend. At that point she was free to choose a partner without giving up her HRH or any of her Royal entitlements. I'm not sure about the line of succession, but I do know there is a letter in the Palace Papers from Margaret to Churchill telling him she had decided against the marriage. Townsend was a lot older than she was and by that time she had developed into the party girl she continued to be. He'd have bored her rigid. Which was probably the main concern her mother had about her marrying him in the first place, really.

Whether true or not, I've read that the primary antagonists to the marriage were the Archbishop of Canterbury and Tommy Lascalles, the Queen's (and her father's) private secretary. The Queen only asked Margaret to wait for a year until she had at least a little time on the throne after her Commonwealth tour.

Townsend was also sent away to work in Brussels. The relationship ran its course and they broke up after a few years.

When he was equerry to the king and married to his first wife, they lived in Adelaide Cottage where William and Kate live now. One of his sons married into a noble Belgian family. His (much younger) second wife was an heiress and one of their daughters became a model and actress and might live or have lived at Le Moulin de la Tuilerie, once owned by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Small world.

The precedent for Harry & Meghan's lifelong estrangement has been set; the rules of engagement are clear.

I didn’t realize that the chateau where Wallis & Edward married was owned by a Nazi sympathizer who was the one who arranged their trip to Germany to meet Hitler. He was arrested after the war and committed suicide. The chateau is open to the public now.

Meghan has found her voice? It seems as if she's never shut up her entire life. She was walking around berating royal employees to the point where Queen Elizabeth had to jump into her land rover, speed over and tell Meghan to not act like a spoiled bitch and treat people with respect. You would have thought Meghan would have been mortified but no she doubled down. Her constant complaining to Harry that she wasn't getting enough money for what she was doing did not tell Harry immediately that she married him because she was nothing but a gold digger? All those drugs and alcohol have permanently damaged his brain and there is nothing anybody can do about it except stay far away which the royal family is doing. Even Meghan has realized he can help her in no way in terms of business. They are both firmly in middle age living the life of billionaires off the sale of jam that is more like soup and how long can that last? I'm sure Harry is burning through his trusts faster than the burning of Rome. She now pulls him out of the wings when she needs a prop just like she uses her mother and children. But you keep hoping a hook would come out and pull her off the stage. Vaudeville is dead Meghan. Did you learn nothing from seeing Gypsy?

R69, Eton is boys-only doesn't have day pupils and Marlborough will introduce them for the first time ever in September 2026 but only for local children whose family home is nearby. In any case, boarding schools have a lot of advantages, such as all the facilities they can offer, which will be available all day and evening. Sports grounds, libraries, music rooms, science labs, swimming pools.

Frau thread.

Most of the drama is manufactured by sleazy tabloids and dumb fraus buy it.

People need to understand that brits HATE Meghan. The UK is steeped in racism and the fact a non white person has married into the royals is unacceptable. I mean, they could not even accept a black Doctor Who.

R105 Nonsense.

She was welcomed with open arms, R105.

She fucked it up all by herself without any help from the UK.

The point is R107 no one cares except Brits. I can't name one American who paid any attention to their wedding or relationship. I doubt the majority of Brits give a shit either about any of them. It's a little coffee klatch of fraus who have decided to set up shop here. Not sure why. Reddit would be way more suitable.

And yet, here you are R108

The solution is very simple. Charles and William, when he follows Charles to the throne, should make it conditional. Harry is going to inherit. I'd dole out his inheritance in installments based on him not telling tales on the family. Period. No public comments criticizing the Fam. In fact Charles could, right now, hold out carrots to the Sussexes like a lovely estate in the UK, etc. and nice things for the kdis...on condition Harry and Meghan don't shit on t he Family.

[quote]The solution is very simple.

You're talking about behavior modification, which is very doubtful to be beneficial given that H&M have 'professionalized' their victimhood. Without it they have nothing to base their existence on.

Quite properly, they have been written off completely by the entire BRF.

H&M are useless losers.

Harry is a petulant, entitled, know-nothing, irresponsible, self-aggrandizing prick.

Markle is a lying, entitled, vicious, mean, greedy, conniving cunt.

Who would want to mend a relationship with either of them?

Wow R56, you sure have a lot to say, especially when talking of me ‘trolling’. Sure you don’t write for Star Magazine?

The couple is collectively nuts, and dumb. Also, who really cares? They aren’t the first family with an awol member.

R105 she wasn’t even the first non white person to marry into the British Royal Family - get your facts straight before mouthing off, you idiot.

Yes. Yes it would.

Did the Playboys attend, r115?

The whom, R117?

I tend not blame Harry for anything because he just seems so stupid. Like a dumb lump of clay who is a reflection of those around him who failed to mold him properly.

I feel like the negative qualities Meghan is accused of are justified, but so very exaggerated. She fails to take direction, that seems pretty obvious, but she must be capable of it. The people who worked with her on suits seem to think she was professional. And she seems to have dialed back the frequency of her most ill-conceived ideas. Old stuff like mocking a curtesy to the queen or e-mailing people at night - who gives a fuck? If she wanted a response in the middle of night, that’s a problem. Otherwise turn off your work phone. Mocking a curtesy was a stupid, rude thing to do but I can understand the impulse. She took the job, so she needs to follow the rules, but for an American (and maybe more so for a black American) curtesy-ing to some old white lady probably feels pretty weird. She slipped up and let it show. the “bullying” allegations are so vague. Where there is smoke there is usually fire, but I just don’t believe it was that bad. The car chase episode was ridiculous and her estrangement from her family is suspect but, to be fair, her family is a little suspect, too. Obviously Spare was a real problem, but all the outrage about the timing of it was weird to me. They were supposed to wait for QE to die? If they had done that they would have been dragged over the coals for publishing it when QE could no longer refute it (of course she wouldn’t have bothered, but that still would have been the accusation). QE was probably drinking virgin’s blood for breakfast. For all they knew she was going to live to be 150.

I believe that she was really suffering as a member of the BRF. She was ill-suited to it because she is incapable of not providing her side of the story. Reading anything that felt untrue or misrepresented made her crazy. Truly crazy. And one reason I think that is because she seems to have no sense of humor. She’ll chuckle on cue, but everything is an act. It’s not just that she can’t laugh at herself. She’s so far up her own butt she can’t see the humor in anything. I’ve met other women like that. Crazy high strung, practically twitching, life it an act but every once in a while they do something really impulsive. Can’t control it. So if M&H’s allegations that the BRF powers that be didn’t try to help them out with the tabloids or even made deals for favorable coverage of Will and Kate at their expense, I think that would be intolerable for her. And then she just made it worse by trying to give her side even for every little situation. Scan the Daily Mail article headlines on her. To this day they run something negative almost every day. Rehashing trivial things from years ago with crazy negative spins.

She is basic and insecure yet overconfident, but I don’t think she is a terrible person and I think she wants to be a good person. Not saying she is, but the criticism of her is crazy extreme. And I think it’s possible that William and/or Kate did target her and played dirty tricks. I’m not claiming that, but it wouldn’t shock me.

Get real. She sat with Oprah and lied her ass off. She doesn't give a shit about being a "good" person. She wants fame, adulation, attention, and most of all MONEY. Mocking a geriatric woman who was her husbands beloved grandmother, and who represented the institution she willingly married into, is crass, immature and plain gross. But by all means, keep spinning. She is a terrible person in every way.

R119 you need to step away from the keyboard. For a couple of weeks.

We think things are playing out just fine. Thank you.

R86, why are you referring to her being mixed race? I'm curious.

I wanted to like her due to coming from a mixed background, but she ditched her rescue dog, her father and most of her family.

What's hard is that so many people who share my politics like her, and those whose political views I abhor seem to hate her.

I'm not sure many people who feel strongly about her do so for the right reasons?

At least here some people seem to grasp that both Harkles are grasping, whining, superficial cunts.

Their actions make me feel sorry for their relatives, some of whom are highly problematic themselves.

Who were the people who watched the wedding?

People often just like to take sides concerning public figures. It's like being entertained by the public lives of movie stars. Should we be? Of course not. Yet we are. And we take sides. It's completely ridiculous but to paraphrase one poster 'here we are.'

For those brain challenged people who call it racism Meghan doesn't get one tenth the hatred of Wallis Simpson. A very white woman. And she and David did not even mock the monarchy itself the way both Harry and Meghan do. They are both gossipy, stupid people. They belong back in high school trying to force themselves into the popular kids' circles. I assume they are living off of Harry's trust funds from his mother and great grandmother and one day in the not too distant future the equally dimwitted Charles will leave Harry another fortune. Harry and Meghan are both two nasty shits with absolutely no conscience and willing to complain at the drop of a hat how unfortunate and put upon they both are. These are two deranged people. I mean people who claim to be concerned about the planet and other people yet take private jets and wipe their shoes on others. Putting down the monarchy but insisting on titles. But they are at the same time very entertaining to people who enjoy this kind of thing. Mea Culpa.

I know what you mean, R124. I am glad these two are hurtling towards obscurity in part because people who I otherwise align with politically are no longer carrying her banner. For a while there you would think Meghan was Mandela incarnate. Now she is so obviously an embarrassment that most of those people have quietly slunk away.

I have noticed in recent weeks an obvious uptick in negative articles about Harry and Meghan in the Daily Mail and a few other places. That tells me the Brits are trying to distract from something else. Is Andrew in trouble again? Did William fuckup? Is there bad news about the economy, strikes? This is a deliberate strategy to distract. The t ruth is no one cares that much and things have quieted down some. I'm a live and let live kind of guy and I think it has become boring. There truly is nothing new and to rehash the fucking wedding is really reaching for it.

We're just heading into the usual press Silly Season over the summer where they pad out their issues with repetitive non- stories, R127. There's always a surge in royal stories this time of year.

There aren't any more articles than usual, r127, and the trivial antics of Harry and Meghan aren't enough for the distraction tactic of your conspiracy theory.

Harry and Meghan are themselves producing "content" on a daily basis, Meghan with the endless faux pas of her "As Ever" promotional project and her new Instagram account, Harry with things like his recent cringe appearance at a philanthropy or something event in New York recently, where he was slurring his words.

If you're genuinely interested in what the royal family is up to, they are preparing for a state visit by the president of France.

better to sever than mend in this case OP

The Harry and Meghan saga is an easy way for the media outlets to get more clicks, and more clicks equal revenue. This story will keep on being revived for ever. Harry is a runaway train, and Meghan is holding on for dear life. They deserve each other.

I think too that Harry and Meghan came out of nowhere and like an asteroid made Queen Elizabeth's, who was a much beloved public figure the likes of which we will never see again, end of a very long life deeply unhappy. I mean these two are extraordinarily nasty people. Fabulously wealthy and rotten and ugly to the core. Now they are working on King Charles. They are a super speed freight train of bad intentions and destruction for those who loved them. No skin off of my nose but fascinating to watch.

OMG, enough of this shite. The Royals are entertaining Emanuel Macron and his mother today, and Katherine looks a vision in Dior. She has a sheer, frothy, pleated skirt and a fitted jacket all in a light peach and she looks scrumptious!!!

Well look who's here! It's Arlene Frances!

I adore the Royals

[quote]in part because people who I otherwise align with politically are no longer carrying her banner. For a while there you would think Meghan was Mandela incarnate

What political alignment and who carried her banner?No one ever thought she was Madela. At least not here. You must be in a non-US country.

[quote]You must be in a non-US country.

A non-US country?

Wasn't one of the whoppers Megsie told was that the people of South Africa went to the streets to celebrate her marriage just like they did for the release of Mandela?

"No one ever thought she was Madela"

She did.

I hated the color of Katherine's gown for the state dinner with the Macrons. She wore a blood red silk chiffon with a cape effect, and honest;ly...it looked like BLOOD!

funny, because I thought she looked REGAL for the State Dinner

Keep hating R140, we expect no less. The red, white and blue dresses were for the French and British flags.

Catherine's red gown was spectacular. I would have liked a bit more of a lip color, but overall she looked stunning.

[quote]... comically immature and needy for people nearing their 40's.

To be specific, Meghan is 43. Harry is 40 and will be 41 in September.

When King drops dead let the games begin. Be there-Will Be Wild.

R127, there are more articles because she's constantly on instagram shilling 💩 products that she claims to have "oversold."

She's shown a series about making bath salts and rebagging pretzels, hosted a podcast series and done interviews/appeared on other people's podcasts.

There's also that little matter of her instagram posts often showing off their children.

But the overacting in the "I'm Sussex now!" moment will live on forever.

Catherine looked stunning in that red Givenchy gown. I love seeing these fantastic state banquets with everybody dressed up to the nines, and the tiaras and regalia.

Re banquet, Camilla, Anne, Sophie, and the Duchess of Gloucester all wore white gowns and Kate wore red.

Camilla looked Camilla, Anne scrubbed up pretty well for Anne, including a new up do, Sophie looked like a frump as always and Birgitte Gloucester looked understatedly fabulous as always - she’s a vegetarian and it shows. Plus she has one of the best jewelry collections of any royal woman in Europe apart from Camilla, which always helps.

I loved Kate in crimson - she looked gaunt but that's to be expected. Girlfriend just needs to chop a few centimetres off her hair but again, after what she’s been through, maybe her hair is her security blanket.

Kate began wearing more red when she became POW, probably in representation of the Welsh flag. She did much the same when she was DOC, i.e., Cambridge Blue.

Hey, I have flower sprinkles!

Camilla wore blue?

I wonder if Harry and Meghan catch bits of this on the TV and in the press and secretly wish they were part of it all?

[quote]I wonder if Harry and Meghan catch bits of this on the TV and in the press and secretly wish they were part of it all?

Of course they do, but they write it all off to boring routine and protocol, which is cover for the fact that they do not have they capacity to effectively arise to these occasions.

Does anyone remember the episode of The Crown where Elizabeth II asks Margaret to change her plans while in American for Tony's book signing, promo, and go to Washington D.C. to do soft diplomacy to help get the UK out of an urgent financial crisis? LBJ had already rejected invitations to visit, go hunting, etc. with the Royals. He thought them way too stiff and posh, and uppity. Margaret reluctantly went, she entertained LBJ, charmed him and completely changed his mind about helping the UK, and the country survived the financial crisis. Thank you Margaret!

In real life it probably wasn't so simple, but there was a point to be made which Prince Phillip pointed out to Elizabeth. Margaret thoroughly enjoyed her diplomatic mission. She asked her sister to please give her more to do, more meaningful work. Elizabeth was thinking it over. Phillip spoke against it. He pointed out that in every generation there was the steady, boring reliable Royal like her father and her, and then there was the dazzler, the unpredictable, dazzling, popular, unstable one, like Uncle David, (Duke of Windsor) and Margaret.

The reliable, dull ones serve the Crown and keep everything going, the unstable dazzlers lead to ruin. In Charles generation Andrew was The Dazzler. For dull William, it is Harry. So, no, they will never reconcile to the degree he brings Harry back. At most, they will be allowed to visit two or three times a year. Period. And think about it. Harry was a favorite of Princess Anne. They were close and got along. He's close to Eugenie. He was close to Zara and Peter, and got along fine with Edward. But people move on, and their lives change, and they have less in common and less shared experiences and the elders die off. At some point there will be no reason for Harry to come back.

This seems to be the most recent BRF thread so posting this here. Kate arrived at the women’s final at Wimbledon, looking great. This AP post has photos of all the celebrities who have been in attendance this week…Leo, Cate Blanchett , David Beckham etc and there’s a photo of Eddie Redmayne taking his seat along with his wife. But in the background, obscured but still quite identifiable is Fergie who is not mentioned in the caption nor given her own photo. The ignominy!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R155 "The Crown" was fiction. Not a documentary.

[quote]The trio were later seen chatting over drinks in the 26C (78F) sunshine on the club's first-floor garden terrace overlooking Green Park. After ten minutes they got up and resumed their discussions inside.

They didn't sit outside for 10 minutes to get some fresh air. It was to create a photo op. They're even looking at the photographer.

Agree R159. That whole meeting was a setup. By whom? Who knows. It could have been one of William's traps to see who would leak to the press. But more likely, it was cooked up in the As Ever kitchen by Meg and her comms director to be released on the same day as Catherine at Wimbledon.

Interesting. Charles can't even be bothered to talk directly with Harry anymore and just leaves it to his staff to communicate with theirs.

[quote]Interesting. Charles can't even be bothered to talk directly with Harry anymore and just leaves it to his staff to communicate with theirs.

Until Harry signals that he's ready to apologize and to confess his lies, what's to talk about?

Two different things are implied in all this talk about a "reconciliation" with Harry and accepting him back into the family, which are deliberately confused by the tabloids. The first is patching up Harry's broken relationship with his family members, which is a private matter that is their business only. The second is Harry "returning" to the royal family and becoming a working royal again and representing the King and, by extension, Britain and the British state. That will absolutely never happen.

I suspect Harry is getting very anxious right now because his kids are growing up with absolutely no connection to the royal family. He played his cards completely wrong in relation to his kids, and is now starting to panic that they are going to have nothing to do with the British monarchy. Well, that's his own fault. He thought he could emotionally blackmail his father and the British government and security services into giving him, his wife and his kids the kind of automatic and limitless state-provided, taxpayer-funded security that only heads of state get, claiming that their lives are at stake and they can never visit Britain unless they have that security. But that boomeranged back on him and now if he wants to bring his kids to the UK then he's going to have to refute his own histrionic claims and do something he has said is impossible, which will just show that he was bullshitting all along.

The kid are growing up not knowing their maternal grandfather either. But he's poor so fuck him. The poor have no feelings worth anything.

The kids gave large families on both sides, but seemingly only see one grandmother and noone else.

From a couple of sources I see Doria has taken off. Did you see that video of her trying that concoction Meghan made? Even she has had enough. Meghan abandoned her father and now Doria, if true, abandons her daughter for the second time! Meghan and Harry are constitutionally incapable of waking up and smelling the coffee.

What r163 said.

I wonder, when the Sussexes left royal service and looked into the future, if right now, they think they've achieved the lofty position and celebrity status they saw for themselves then.

Maybe they do. But I find that doubtful, if they had any ability to really see their current position, such as it is.

Now, cue Sussex stans to rush in and point out the luxury they live in now. Their home in Montecito, Meghan's income from her work, whatever money Harry still has, etc....

Ok, but really? That mansion doesn't operate, clean and maintain itself. The children might go to public schools so tuition costs aren't an issue, but no one can tell me that public schools in that wealthy community don't cost a pretty shilling for extracurricular activities.

For all I know, their staff may volunteer, but somehow, I doubt it.

And all along, King Charles, Camilla, Prince William and Kate have kept an official silence, while the Sussexes have blabbed to a world that once was interested but, aside from their niche fans, isn't anymore and has moved on.

The last move on the chess board, because the pieces all belong to King Charles, and by extension William, will be interesting.

I have never heard it said that Harry was a favorite of Anne. William was close in age to Anne's kids and was and still is close friends with Peter and Zara. Harry was closer in age and hung out with Eugenie. He was also said to be close with Andrew. After Diana died, Andrew tried to insert himself as a mentor to William and Harry. William supposedly saw through those machinations and kept his distance. Dim Harry enjoyed the attention and stuck around.

Does anyone truly give a shit? Truly? I do understand that it would be nice for father and son to make peace before Charles drops dead. IMO I think the sticking point is that Charles, ever protective of his Camilla, is still feeling offended at what he perceives as Harry's lack of acceptance of Camilla. IMO, I think Harry no longer harbors any hostility towards her. He doesn't love her, but he can tolerate his father's second wife who is obviously doing a good job and making Charles happy. William does a much better job of tolerating Camilla. He is cordial towards her but I would bet no love lost. I don't see Camilla as a very demanding difficult person. Of course, how the fuck do I know. But she seems very chill and easy going. She's not flashy. She seems steady as a rock and just as pretty! LOL! So if Harry wants peace all he has to do is make peace with Camilla and he is back in Papa's good graces. As for his cousins and aunts and uncles, I think the relationships have changed over time. There's a natural distance that has grown. Time passes. If relationships are not maintained with regular contact people grow apart. They have their own daily lives and interests, and families, etc. and they're all off in different directions. George is a good example. He's not the toddler Harry knew. Safe to say they have no relationship and would have to build one but I doubt that will happen beyond a superficial one.

Does anyone give a shit, R169? Apart from you, you mean, given the screed that you just typed out?

A "secret" summit that was leaked to the Daily Mail. Not very secret then. And we know who constantly leaks to the press, and that's the dimwits in Montecito.

In a perfect scenario, this summit was an exploratory for the feasibility of Harry's rehabilitation if he returns without Meghan.

Because that's the only conversation I can imagine The King and William allowing for through their aides. In other words, "fine Harry, but not while she's married to you."

H and M may be ready to go there, you never know...

Haz and Megz claims they didn't leak the details of the meeting. If you look at the photos, clearly the King's aide is surprised and uncomfortable in the photo. Haz's Chief Communications Officer, well she didn't look uncomfortable at all. Allegedly this meeting took place on Wednesday but wasn't reported until Saturday which just happened to be the day Catherine was appearing at Wimbledon..............my take: Megz doesn't want a reconciliation and leaked the details.

R172,I disagree. I think William wants Harry to stay married, and stay away. Harry has to know if he and

The side behind it is whichever one said, "let's go outside on the balcony for a few minutes."

Is this Charles testing the waters? Harry is going to come back without his children? Meghan is radioactive. She's a nuclear reactor disaster. Harry is just a very stupid nasty frat boy.

I can't see how it would work. Harry hanging about London with nothing to do; Meghan with the kids in Montecito, leaking every damn detail for cash every day. I suppose they could hide Harry away at some minor consulate somewhere.

Harold is OUT of the working royal system, never to return.

I don't see why they don't make him a governor general of someplace. I guess colonialism is out of fashion, now? Still, there are tasks a jobs Harry could do. Tasks Andrew fucked up. Seriously. If the RF could tolerate a huge fuck up, larcenous grifter like Andrew and his co conspirator grifter Fergie, who leaked every flush of the toilets to the media, than Harry and Meggie could be given meaningful work. Work that keeps the out of the public eye. Like Board of Trade , etc.

Harry as a Governor General of somewhere? Anywhere? Laughable!

The guy can barely tie his own shoes.

Surely there is some African Commonwealth country that he could be given a made up and a couple of staff to 'oversee' the 'Park System', requiring nothing more than occasional photo shoots, and allowing him a somewhat hidden life to which he can bring his children on occasion when shareing custody of his children with the witch back in the States.

I think Charles and William love Harry as a son and a brother, but they don’t trust him and Harry seems too dim to realize that that trust isn’t coming back. Breaching the veil of secrecy around private arguments, petty behavior and interfamilial relationships as Harry did, is just about the worse thing you can do in that world.

In a different century, heads would roll.

R182 I think in any world. If my brother acted like that to me and my family he would be dead to me, end of.

Like R184 I can't imagine loving a son and brother who tries to destroy your family in front of the entire world and makes the end of his grandmother's and grandfather's life a misery. Personally I'd wish he would drop dead.

R184 what did Harry do to his brother that would cause such an extreme, disproportionate reaction, misperceived and driven by tabloid media that relishes blood feuds thriving on the death of their relationship as brothers. Harry wrote a book...just like Charles did. And both of them said things in their books that were criticisms, and personal information about their family. Charles also broke trust telling tales, but he did it through 3rd parties. IMO so much time has passed that it seems silly to keep the so called "feud" going. They will never be besties. They never were. Both of them have wives and kids and time has passed and the relationships would have changed and become distant anyway. The acrimony is stupid. On both sides.

Your thoughts have been noted, Harry. And will continue to be ignored for reasons that have been repeatedly explained to you, you dumb little shit. Your father is the king. You never strike at a king unless you are sure you shall kill him.

There will be no reconciliation. The Windsors never came back, nor will the Sussexes.

The Harry and Meghan supporters like to call it a feud to create a view that somehow there has been mutual animosity between the brothers, instead of the actual vicious, one-sided, stab-in-the-back attacks by Harry and Meghan against Harry’s family. Harry and Meghan are still a cancer on the monarchy and need to be removed from anything resembling royalty, asap.

Both Harry & Meghan are preposterously deluded. They'll never be accepted back; afterall, what about them has changed?

Granted, H&M are delusional, but they’re not wanted back. They don’t seem to realize that their truth looks like bullshit to most everyone with eyes. They are loathed in the UK, ignored in the US, and spent the last five years running in place and getting nowhere.

Now Harold says he is willing to go back to the BRF without Sparkles. In other words, she is the problem

This is so fucking disgusting with Harry doing this stunt to try to get attention on him and to try to benefit from people’s memory of Diana. People should loathe him even more than they do.

R192 - It was a little silly when Diana did it, in spite of her good intentions. It was a desperate attempt at a photo-op. Same for the Taj Mahal "pity me" picture.

I'm the photos of Harry in Angola are being curated and manipulated right now

How dreadul if the Angolan authorities missed one of the landmines before Diana's stunt and Hazza took a wrong step.

R191, where does Harry say that?

R196 he doesn't.

He hasn't said it publicly, r196, but all these recent moves (e.g. daft BBC interview, daft meeting of his PR people with a palace rep, story about him trying to get his kids' names written on passports as HRH) seem to imply that he's angling for some kind of return, but Meghan doesn't appear to be part of these plans. He probably thinks he can spend a few months of the year in the UK doing "royal" things and bringing the kids with him every now and then, while Meghan stays at home.