Wouldn't it be better for the British Royal Family's to mend the relationship with Harry & Meghan?

Meghan is an unpredictable loon. Nobody wants her nearby. She's better off in California where even celebrities avoid her.

The whole thing has always been so weird to me. In the run up to H&M’s wedding, the four young royals seemed like a dream team. It was Avery good visual image for an archaic institution. It seemed like all four of them could have benefited mightily by riding it out and seeing how far they could heighten their status. It’s weird that h&m were miserable enough to not be able to go on.

It's because they are erratic and indiscreet. If they had gone away and stayed quiet, they would be in a much better spot now. People who can't be trusted are of zero use to a PR operation like the royal family.

I think it's secretly money driven. They were going to be on a fixed income, which was possibly expected to decrease each year or something for cost savings, and they probably thought they deserved more. They probably tried to negotiate the amounts, then turned to public-private partnerships, but that wasn't accepted. So they made the decision to leave without a solid plan on how to support themselves or the lifestyle they want.

Both Meghan and 'H' are undeniably toxic at this point. So, no. There will never be any reconciliation. Ever. There will be polite interaction by the Royals, but only when absolutely necessary.

R4 - Harry and Meghan? Nah - I think it's a bold move to step away when you're the 'spare' and won't have a ton to do as a lesser royal. Who wants a life like that? A life like Princess Anne's or Princess Margaret's or Prince Andrew's?

And Diana left Harry a good sum of money because she knew he needed options. Harry's been overlooked his entire life - I think his move away his brave and best for his mental health and personal identity.

It's one thing to have the future King or Queen to have such a prescripted life, but it's not necessary for everyone else in the family to have the same shackles.

Also, Meghan is terrified of Kate, as she should well be.

At what point should they have mended things. When they gave an interview calling them all racist? When he shadow wrote a tell all book? Or when he accused Charles of trying to get him killed by somehow ,making the government not provide him armed security?

R6 You seem to have the understanding of a child.

Prince Philip had Meghan’s number very early on. His nickname for her was DOW (the Duchess of Windsor).

Nah R9 - I just don't buy into all this Harry & Meghan hate-machine. What's childish are these outdated rules for the royal family. Let people be people.

Margaret was, and Andrew is, a spoilt, entitled nightmare. Anne on the other hand has worked tirelessly for Save The Children for decades, often in conditions that would test most people. She has frequently performed the most public engagements of anyone in the royal family, and she is known to be down to earth and conscientious. She has earned the public’s respect.

[quote]What's childish are these outdated rules for the royal family. Let people be people.

Fine. How about you ask Meghan and Harry why they insist on continuing to use their Royal titles, believe that the British taxpayer should pay for their security, go on faux Royal tours, lie to the media about their treatment by the Royals, put on skits about car chases to stay in the public eye, and the list goes on and on. They are both comically immature and needy for people nearing their 40's.

Yes, let people be people, but from their perspective, that means ensuring that they have limitless more of unearned privilege than you or I, and just for good measure they demand your deference and respect at the same.

They are running a clown show for the gullible.

[quote]They are both comically immature and needy for people nearing their 40's.

Meghan is way beyond 40.

It was a remote possibility it could have been fixed until the publication of "Spare," but that just went too far. In it, Harry actually tattled on his father's and brother's behavior towards him at Prince Philip's funeral. Charles's father had just died and Harry was using the occasion as yet another opportunity to tally grievances publicly.

He showed them then they can never trust him again. This is why they refuse to speak to him--any innocent conversation with him will just inevitably become more grist for his grievance mill. Why would you want to reconcile with someone who does that?

OP what do you mean by damaging? What would you offer as proof? The royals seem to be just fine. Most people see that grifter Meager Muckle as the problem

How would it benefit the Royal Family, OP?

It's important to remember that the royal family are not seeking celebrity. They are carrying out their duties. Yes, they want good PR, but that is secondary to simply getting the job done. King Charles has demonstrated that, despite his ongoing treatments, he is determined to do his duty as Head of State. Harry and Meghan seek attention and money, and are willing to sell out their family for attention and money. The family rightfully cannot trust them, so they are kept at arm's length.

Meghan is a self absorbed twit but over the years it has become clear that Harry is 90% of the problem.

Meghan herself has not said a word about her in laws in years at this point.

She doesn't have to...she can manipulate Harry to do all the bad things.

Which she thinks will help her in the divorce, when she imagines she will have to deal with the King's lawyers.

Is meg the cunt now posting on here?

Meghan is not a team player. She has "main character" syndrome amongst other personality disorders. She will wreak havoc in any situation where she is not the center of attention.

Harry is a very damaged individual and beyond repair. There is no amount of love, forgiveness, medication or therapy that will ever cure or fix him.

R24, in a BRF that can put up with Von Reibnitz, there has to be a place for Meg.

Princess Michael of Kent never had fuck-you money; that is how the RF can keep her at heel.

Interesting how it all comes down to money with the BRF...

Oh goodness, I just realized that thread title doesn't really make sense. I think I changed the wording halfway through but didn't read it before I posted. Oops.

Yes, R16, it does seem that the Royal Family is doing okay. What I meant was that the Royal Family as an institution seems so concerned with public opinion and keeping scandal to a minimum that it doesn't make sense to me that they wouldn't have cleaned this up for public consumption. I didn't intend to start a debate on who has wronged who, or who's right and who's wrong, but I guess it was inevitable that the thread would immediately turn to that. The way they've dealt with it over the last few years seems childish. It makes the King and William look insecure and weak. Like R2 says, they had an opportunity to revive the monarchy - perhaps in a way that hadn't been seen since Charles and Diana. The way it stands now it just makes them all look like The Real Housewives of Buckingham Palace.

^^^ OP

Au contraire r28, to date, the Royal Family have dealt perfectly with the malignant cancer known as Meghan and Harry. Cut the tumour out and get on with your life.

OP - why is your position that the royal family needs to be the ones to repair this? This whole matter is due to Mr. & Mrs. Markle.

[quote]Meghan is terrified of Kate, as she should well be.

Not just "Kate", either.

If OP’s singular thought is their new PR team’s doing, they’re in deeper shit than before.

Harry wants to be a perpetual victim. That's the role he's settled into. And if he needs to make up grievances for this ... That's what he'll do. He lost his mother. This is awful. But William did too. Many other people did too. You should probably not make this your whole identity

What's the diff between the Twerkles' old crap PR and the new crap PR? Answer: more time zones to display woe is me victimhood. Whimper whimper.

The monarchy is fine and doesn't need "reviving", r28, and certainly not by Harry and Meghan.

R19 She hasn’t said anything about her in-laws in years? Her paid comments to Oprah and the world trashing them whilst lying wasn’t enough?

Funny you don’t mention that Meghan hasn’t spoken TO her own family for far longer.

One wonders why.

OP, you’re American, right?

There is no scandal. The British people are not paying attention to Harry and Meghan. The majority of the British people approve of the family’s isolation of the couple.

The royal family has retained its popularity by moving with the times. There is no appetite for Harry and Meghan’s 17th-or 18th-century conception of royalty.—-defence without duty, active application of lease-majesty laws, royal interference in politics, and commercialisation of titles. Their most absurd proposed move back to the 18th century is the idea that these kids with no connection to the country will swoop in adulthood into royal roles just like the House of Hanover did in 1714.

I knew this thread would stir up a bunch of bitching. Yes, R38, I'm American. I think the institution is stuck in the past and it hasn't dealt well with the Harry & Meghan situation. They seem callous. They didn't learn from the mistakes with Diana that someone coming into the fold should be guided in a way to help them. With Harry's & Meghan's star power at the time they married, there was a great opportunity for the firm to modernize and be seen as more inclusive; a huge number of the people in the Commonwealth are non-white. It must be a horribly smothering life to be a Royal. I can see very well why they wanted to chart their own path.

It’s not stirring up a lot of bitching. It’s confirming common knowledge: they’ve failed.

As have you. People have trashed everything you wrote but you plow on, unable or unwilling to read the room. If you had convincing arguments, people would be convinced. You don’t and they aren’t. Stop beating a dead horse.

R39. Star power? I usually scoff at the idea that people posting here are PR agents, but it’s hard to imagine anyone else saying Meghan had star power

And, yes, the royal family learned not to rush an outsider into the family, particularly an outsider with attention-seeking tendencies. William learned that lesson perfectly. Harry did not learn it at all, and he’s upset at William for advising against rushing into the marriage.

Op is meg. Kate should have ripped out Meg’s weave when she had the chance

It's not a question of the royal family mending its relationship with the two effing grifters, it's a matter of the two effing grifters apologizing and mending their relationship with the royal family.

But it's too late. The damage is done. The royal family does not trust the two effing grifters and never will. The most anyone could hope for is that the relationship be at least civil. But that won't happen either. The two effing grifters don't just have a personal problem with members of the royal family, they have a problem with the institution of the royal family. The two effing grifters threaten the very existence of the institution. And a relationship will never work if that's the attitude.

How do you have a civil relationship with effing grifter who you don't trust and who live halfway around the world with no communication? Forget it, It's over.

Harry and Markle are just plain fucking dumb.

They insisted that the style of "HRH" be included on their kids' birth certificates because as Harry said, he wanted to preserve the opportunity for his kids to one day make their own decision about becoming working members of the royal family. Is he out of his fucking mind? The royal family won't even allow Harry and Markle to be working members of the royal family. Harry and Markle were working members, but they left and have caused irreparable damage. And there's no way back.

It's not up to the Harry and Markle's kids to someday decide if they want to become working members of the royal family. It is up to the royal family if they will decide, accept and welcome the kids to become working members. The royal family may have no reason to dislike kids, but that is a far cry from becoming working members. For one, the kids have no relationship with the royal family, the British public or the monarchy. And by extension, there will always be a certain amount of distrust toward the kids because their effing grifting parents cannot be trusted,

Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are not officially working members because the royal family does not want any backlash from the public due to their father, Prince Andrew. Beatrice nd Eugenie are there for some royal duties now and then, but Charles and William are still worried about the Andrew connection. Beatrice and Eugenie are perfectly fine young women and would be good representatives for the royal family. There has never been an ounce of scandal with either one of them. And they are right there--upstanding members of the royal family living in London. And yet there is still some hesitation with them. Plus, they now have their onw lives. Also, Princess Anne's kids are not working royals, and everyone likes them.

What makes Harry and Markle think that their kids will have the option of becoming working members no matter what their title are? The royal family wants nothing to do with Harry and Markle--and by presumably by extension will have nothing to do with kids as working members of the royal family. Lastly, the kids are American. The royal family will not have Americans who they hardly know representing the monarchy.

Harry and Markle delusional idiots.

R44. It wasn't the kids' birth certificates in question. Harry insisted that "HRH" be included on his kids' British passports.

I heard that regarding Harry's to preserve the option that his kids will someday becoming working members of the family, Harry is trying to play the long game. He knows that Charles nor William will never accept Archie and Lilibet as working members of the royal family.

Instead, Harry thinks that when William's son, George, becomes king, he might want Archie and Lilibet to become working members because they are cousins, and Harry thinks that George will look more favorably on Archie and Lilibet.

Harry--don't count on it. If Archie and Lilibet remain in the United States, they will still be American, and George will have no relationship, trust or friendship with them. Why would anyone ever think that the royal family would agree to any of this? It's the royal family's decision--not the decision of Archie and Lilibet.

Would you trust someone who wrote a book and blabbed intimate details about your family for money?

Snitches get stitches.

It has been well documented that Meghan was offered plenty of guidance. She rejected it. Try another tactic, dear. Replaying all of Meghan's past lies is rather pathetic.

Do Sussex stans like the OP all share one braincell or do they think the rest of us are as dumb as them? Things must be pretty dire in Montecito if they're hoping to guilt the crown into taking the two attention whores back.