Breaking: Israel Attacks Iran

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here's the link

R1 There was no link yet when I posted this.

World War III is here, bitches!!

Good.

I didn't follow the full story. What is Israel preempting? Was Iran assumed to attack Israel in the near future?

You just didn't look hard enough, R1. You wanted so much to be the DL Correction Troll that you posted too quickly. But that's the nature of breaking news. You can't just look on the feeds of your whores on TikTok, X and Meta.

Now? The DL Correction Troll has come for you.

Fuck what, OP? This happens frequently.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

G7's gonna be lit!

Armagideon Time

Good

Iran blows ass.

Doesn’t Iran involve itself either hamas?

I assumed R1 wanted us to F&F his post so I did.

say what now?

It’s a shitty country

Iran cannot be allowed to get nukes. Regardless of what one thinks of the Gaza situation, that is a fact. Israel will do what it has to do here and the US should fully support it.

This is Netanyahu doing whatever he can to keep the country on a war footing so he can stay in office. I wonder who he's going to attack next?

Does anyone believe that Iran doesn't already have nukes?

Girls,.girls!! You're both ugly!!

perhaps tiresome concern trolls, R19

This like the 5th time and every time you kweens screetchn WORLD WAR 3 !!!

Israel attacks Iran

Iran retaliates and attacks U.S. bases in Iraq

Trump uses that as a pretext to attack Iran

This has all been arranged. It’s the way the U.S. is goaded into doing Israel’s bidding for that country to expand its regional hegemony. It already happened with Iraq. A trillion dollars of U.S. taxpayer money, and thousands of American lives, to decapitate a rival to Israel.

Neither the US nor Israel acts like Iran has nukes, r20, so no, I don't think the IC thinks they do have it yet.

Netanyahu and Trump and Putin three fucks in a tub

Where are all the Repugs who screamed "World War 3!" while Biden was in office?

Isn't Bibibop biting off more than he can chew this time? I mean, pushing hordes of starving refugees around is easy compared to targeting a desperate country with no more fucks to give.

Exactly r19!

Well, this news certainly pissed on Trump’s picnic. Good.

Armageddon outta here!

R19, the skies the limit. Israel is now bombing Lebanon, Syria, Iran and, of course, the land of the dead, Gaza.

Fucking Trump installs his real estate developer/billionaire bud as Special Middle East envoy and this is the result. He makes Jared Kushner look like an ME afficionado in comparison. Installing loyalists, donors and buddies in key positions and this is the result.

Iran is a Russian ally and of course this will interrupt mango Mussolini so I am thinking this is Bibi’s “I will not be ignored Don” bunny killing play.

Mango Mussolini’s egomaniacal birthday parade

Haaretz is the best, most up-to-date source for this and all Israel-related news:

R35, this part is bitterly funny. Happy Birthday, Donnie, let’s make you look extra weak.

Everyone is so over their heads. Rubio will be leading this

^ is in

This is not good. God helps us. There are so many issues in the USA/World.

In these days, focus on things that make you happy because we don't know how much time....

NYT coverage on this is, as usual, excellent. Lots of updates every few minutes. Unlocked version of their main article on the current developments at the link

[r34]bunny killing

Cumulus' interest is piqued. 🐇🦴🫀🫁🧠

We're toast.

This is why I really thought long and hard about humane euthanasia when Trump was reelected. We are now at the juncture everyone said I was ridiculous for thinking would happen.

....

And on the eve of the orange one's birthday! What a nice surprise gift.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement that the United States was “not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.” He added that “Israel advised us that they believe this action was necessary for its self-defense.”

He ended his statement with a warning to Iran against any form of retaliation aimed at the U.S. forces in the region: “Let me be clear: Iran should not target U.S. interests or personnel.”

Thank God we have capable, competent leaders! Right?

I doubt the fact that Trump's military parade is two days away is a coincidence. That was probably planned, for all this shit to happen all at once.

Nuke me. I'm ready.

Genocidal Israel take billions of dollars from the United States (and we willingly give it to Israel), and reports are that Israel doesn't even tell the U.S. of its bombing plans. Disgraceful and ungrateful. Cut off military aid and money to Israel. Marco Rubio's statement is warm piss and shows incredible weakness on the part of the United States:

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement that the United States was “not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.” He added that “Israel advised us that they believe this action was necessary for its self-defense.”

Goddamn Israel, the price oil will go up tomorrow, and the stock market will tank based on the current overnight futures market. Fuck Israel.

Trump will handle this as well as the Ukraine War he ended on day one.

I'm not sure that Trump will end up that pissed off about this. Depends on what Iran does. If Iran's response hits something even remotely to do with the US, Trump will have an excuse to get involved. I actually think he wants some sort of US military action to be happening, either here (LA "riots"), or there, during his upcoming parade, so he can talk about Americans supporting the troops and all that shit.

[Quote] “Let me be clear: Iran should not target U.S. interests or personnel.”

He said, desperately wanting just that.

[quote] That was probably planned, for all this shit to happen all at once.

Trump probably called Netanyahoo telling him to nuke Iran to make a distraction from all the shit he's done this week .

R52, I'm not sure about that. I think that war in the Middle East is an incredibly toxic subject in the U.S. No one now will defend the war in Iraq.

I wonder how the White House is feeling about those 100 NSC staffers Trump fired. Hmm.

Iran was about to develop a vaccine so JFK Jr. ordered the hit.

The commander in chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Gen. Hossein Salami has been killed in the Israeli strikes, Iranian state television reports. The deputy commander of Iran’s armed forces, Gen. Gholamali Rashid, and Fereydoun Abbasi, a nuclear scientist, have also been killed, it adds.

The dummy anchorman on BBC World News said earlier that Netanyahu had referenced “the city of New Jersey” when describing the destruction potential of an Iranian nuclear warhead. Tee hee.

No, I think Trump will be pissed. It’s all about making money or the Nobel Peace Prize with him. Israel’s attack cannot serve either end.

R43 My life insurance is paid up. I’m ready.

R58, Israel has a history of assassinating the leaders of various groups only to bring to power younger and more competent leaders.

From Trump...you know, the one who wanted to end all the wars.

The situation is escalating in the Middle East. Gazans are living amongst death, rubble while starving due to Israel carrying out genocide on innocent Palestinians. And oh yeah, how are things in Ukraine?

Reports that Israel has taken out several of Iran's senior military leadership as well as the chief scientists in charge of their nuclear weapons program.

Let's hope that old piece of shit Khamenei is next.

They’ll just replace him with an even more insane nutter, r64

R64 Israel must have insanely good intelligence on the ground the way they are able to target specific leaders. At least in the short term it does destabilize the enemy.

Oh please R59 - an American laughing at another country’s news reader for not being geographically aware? Do you not see the irony?

Tee hee that.

This is definitely Bibi forcing Trump's hand and I am here for it. He wants to avoid military conflicts like the plague because he knows they're bad for his approval ratings. That was one of the signature achievements of his first term and also an important – though not often discussed – factor in his reelection, i.e. being different from the traditional war hawk Repubs.

[quote]IRGC commander Hossein Salami killed in strikes: Iranian state TV

Oof, this is gonna blow up.

A certain small group of people benefit from violence and they seem to continually have an excuse to perpetuate it. The tools of violence are incredibly profitable, in fact the most profitable of objects made are weapons. The use of weapons perpetuates the demand for more weapons and creates a virtuous cycle of war business profiteering. This is how world wars happen. Israel may have just started wwIII. Israel is a major arms manufacturer as are the five permanent members of the security council. These five members most profitable manufactured exports are weapons. This is getting really scary.

Wow! If Trump is very much against this-Then I’m All For It!!! Bring it on Bibi! I hate that Jewish Trump.

r71 Wars aren't caused by the mere existence and production of weapons, that's such a lopsided naive view. A world with eight billion people with different nationalities, religions and other interests is a messy place, wars are unavoidable. If certain countries didn't have nukes, we would probably have constant wars all over the place.

Also, someone is going to be producing those weapons, whether you like it or not. So it might as well be your country, so you at least get to benefit from it indirectly.

No one in the region is surprised by this (everyone was expecting it in fact) and yes, it makes Trump look bad because he was telling Israel not to do it. (Trump's the one who's always saying "If I had been president, [the Ukraine war/Yemen war/Gaza war etc. etc.] would never have started." So much for that.)

[quote]Trump uses that as a pretext to attack Iran. This has all been arranged. It’s the way the U.S. is goaded into doing Israel’s bidding for that country to expand its regional hegemony.

You think you're smart but this is actually quite dumb and uninformed. The Trump crowd does not like foreign wars, even on behalf of Israel.

Iran is in a bad position, they've lost a bunch of allies recently and there's not much they can do in response, so no, the chances of WW3 are pretty slim.

I REFUSE to vote for Genocide Joe!

Trump GOES MUTE as WAR EXPLODES!!!

[quote] In these days, focus on things that make you happy because we don't know how much time....

Hold me, David: I'm scared...

There's not going to be a World War because it's the international criminal cabal on one side and the rest of us on the other and we don't have a military

Trump will not like being seen as the impotent one on the sidelines.

Iran wouldn’t have shut had Trump not torn up the agreement Obama made with them.

Iran wouldn’t have shit had Trump not torn up the agreement Obama made with them.

[quote] This is definitely Bibi forcing Trump's hand and I am here for it. He wants to avoid military conflicts like the plague because he knows they're bad for his approval ratings.

My god, you’re a moron. Trump doesn’t give a shit about approval ratings. He can’t even run again. Trump is keep to destroy the country because it prosecuted him. He’s an old man and wants the country to die with him.

A reminder that Iran have been arming Russia with drones to attack Ukraine for years now.

Should've strapped Greta to one of those bombs, lol.

Among those killed was Mohammadhossein Bagheri, Iran’s most senior military official, multiple Iranian state news outlets reported. Bagheri, who was chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, had a status equivalent to that of Qassem Suleimani, the high-profile commander of Iran’s secretive Quds Force whom President Donald Trump ordered killed in a drone strike in Baghdad in January 2020.

Tasnim, the state media arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), reported that Hossein Salami, the commander in chief of the IRGC, was also killed in an attack at the Tehran headquarters. The loss of both Bagheri and Salami is likely to be a big blow to Iran’s security forces.

Israeli strikes also killed Maj. Gen. Gholam Ali Rashid, a top official in the IRGC; Fereydoon Abbasi, a nuclear scientist and former atomic energy chief; and Mohammed Mehdi Tehranchi, a nuclear scientist, Iranian state media reported.

Is anyone sending flowers to Christiane Amanpour? She will be devastated by this loss.

Damn. Israel managed to do major targeted damage. It will take Iran quite a bit of time to recover from this.

[quote]Trump will not like being seen as the impotent one on the sidelines.

There's no way that Netanyahu would have attacked Iran without Trump's personal go-ahead. Just no way.

Why would any Iranian aspire to be a nuclear scientist? This isn't the first time Israel has targeted them with success.

R89. In life, the most perfect aim is for istishadi (seeking martyrdom) through jihad, and the martyr will receive bountiful gifts in paradise. Men will receive 72 virgins in the hadith corpus.

I wonder if gay Muslims get 72 twinks!

Now might be a good time to catch up with Tehran on AppleTV. Glenn Close in a hijab!

Gay Muslims get stoned to death or burned to death or beaten to death or thrown off a tall building R91.

No twinks at all.

Israel is a national death cult with a deranged death wish. It's well on its way.

I hate how it's got the US by the balls

Given the success of this attack on Iran's nuclear capability, how long until Trump claims he was instrumental in it all along (even if he wasn't)?

0.6 seconds R95.

FAFO

[quote]Israel is a national death cult with a deranged death wish. It's well on its way. I hate how it's got the US by the balls

JACKSON HINKLE IS THAT YOU?

R95, a number of high-ranking people have been killed, but we didn’t know how that has actually affected Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

Yes, R99, it’s always been the informed wisdom that only the US had the artillery to materially affect Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

R94 Delusional, Trump gave Iran 60 days. Israel bombed Iran’s nuclear facilities on day 61. Iran has said their goal is to wipe Israel off of the map.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

Iran’s terrorist proxies are weakened. Now is the time. Let’s hope the populace can rise up and throw out the evil mullahs.

R99, From CNN: 3 hr 8 min ago Iran’s main uranium enrichment facility engulfed by flames From CNN’s Teele Rebane Isaac Yee This screengrab from a video geolocated by CNN shows smoke rising from the direction of the Natanz nuclear facility in central Iran, about 260 km south of Tehran. This screengrab from a video geolocated by CNN shows smoke rising from the direction of the Natanz nuclear facility in central Iran, about 260 km south of Tehran. Social Media The facility at the heart of Iran’s nuclear ambitions was engulfed in flames on Friday, according to social media images geolocated by CNN and Iranian state television.

The nuclear complex in Natanz, a city about 250 kilometers (150 miles) south of the capital Tehran, is considered Iran’s largest uranium enrichment facility and houses the country’s advanced nuclear program. Analysts say the site is used to develop and assemble centrifuges for uranium enrichment, a key technology that turns uranium into nuclear fuel.

Social media video geolocated by CNN shows smoke rising from the direction of the facility. Video from Press TV shows large plumes of smoke billowing high into the sky from the complex. Data from NASA’s Fire Information for Resource Management System showed a fire at the facility starting after 2 a.m. local time (7 p.m. ET).

The Iranian government has not commented publicly on the Israeli attacks. In July 2020, a fire tore through the Natanz facility, causing major damage to the site, which Tehran had struggled to explain the origins of.

The fire was one of several unusual incidents that occurred across the country around that time.

The series of incidents came about a year after Iran announced it would start enriching uranium at higher levels and in greater quantities than agreed to in a landmark 2015 nuclear deal, part of Tehran’s response to the Trump administration’s decision to withdraw from the accord, effectively killing it.

It's an amazing disconnect to see Americans cheering on the ICE protests condemning Israel for neutralising a rogue state that executes protestors and those who show dissent.

ONE DAY AGO

[quote]But the drones that Iran has launched so far today seem mostly symbolic - a far cry from the Tehran’s major ballistic missile attack on Israel last October. For all its defiant rhetoric, Iran’s ability to mount a direct military response is not what it was.

BBC reporting that Iran has been declawed so much in October's and today's strikes, it can't really mount a proper retaliation. Can't really use their land army to do anything, so they're kinda fucked.

Netanyahu informed me about attack, German Chancellor Merz says

Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz said in a statement that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu informed him about Israel’s attack on Iran in a phone call this morning.

“Israel has a right to defend itself and Iran should not develop nuclear weapons,” Merz said, while calling on both sides to refrain from escalation.

Merz did not say whether he was forewarned about the strikes.

I wonder how many world leaders, regardless of what they say publicly, are breathing a sigh of relief that Israel did this. Especially since it was quite successful. It's hard to imagine that many were looking forward to the Islamic Republic of Iran becoming a nuclear power.

r106 Agreed. Can kicked down the road for a decade, but probably longer.

Did anyone else read the NYT article a couple of days ago on how Iran was going to start a major crackdown on pet dog ownership?

I bet that has moved lower in the priority list.

Didn't see THAT coming.

R43 is planning to kill himself because Israel attacked Irans weapons grade nuke program. And since this is DL that makes sense to at least say it.

But since it’s DL it will be Talk talk yack yack all hot air and silly make believe talk.

[quote]I bet that has moved lower in the priority list.

I think quite the opposite. They can't retaliate to the extent they'd like, so they'll double down on the repression, take all that frustration out on their own population. It's a disgusting regime, though shades of what they're doing can currently also be found in the US, which has a disgusting regime in place as well.

r43, calm down. You'll be ok.

Yeah, r43 is being hysterical and uninformed. Just read the damn analyses, how is Iran supposed to respond if its aerial capabilities have been taken out to such an extent? Their military is not as mighty as you seem to believe, far from it. And like I said, they can't exactly march their land forces over to Israel, can they?

[quote]There's not going to be a World War because it's the international criminal cabal on one side and the rest of us on the other and we don't have a military

It won't be a World War like any other. Wait until the signal is given to activate all the terror cells occupying the West. We all know it's probably coming. Push them enough and it WILL happen.

EL, R108, This was recently in the BBC. Oh well, I'm a cat person and Mohammed loved cats! I've never been to Iran, but I’ve been to Türkiye and they seem to be genuinely fond of cats and dogs. There are lots of strays in Istanbul but they are really well taken care of. People clean up after them too. No stepping in poop like in Paris.

[quote]Wait until the signal is given to activate all the terror cells occupying the West.

You watch too many (bad) movies.

R116 This was a movie?

I have a number of Iranian friends. Not just of Iranian descent but originally from Iran and still visit family there. According to them, the current regime is very unpopular. I'm wondering how long it will be before they are overthrown. They've had one revolution, they can have another.

r117 That was a decade ago and the whole point of the video is to examine the missteps and systemic breakdowns that led to those events. They were a fluke, not the norm. Intelligence agencies have adapted since.

R108, the story is further proof that most people love pets. Muslims are not supposed to have pet dogs any more than they are supposed to drink alcohol, and yet Iranians have always kept pets (and well-stocked liquor cabinets). In the early days of the Islamic Republic Iranian dog-owners walked their dogs after dark.

[quote]According to them, the current regime is very unpopular.

You don't need Iranian acquaintances to tell you that, r118. The more shocking thing is how many Iranians (in Iran, not expats) are not religious and how many mosques are empty. Now that's something you'll never see reported because it fucks with the image of Iran being an eternal menace.

But, the regime keeps them on a tight leash and the police and the military are well paid, so don't expect a revolution any time soon. It's been in the making for decades now and still nothing.

r120 I've always loved stories of ex-Muslims from more oppressive countries/families getting dogs and gushing over them and posting their photos online, saying they can't believe what they were missing out. What a terrible religion that says the man's best friend is somehow unclean.

I’d be terrified to have a dog in a regime that could just take them away at any time

[quote]I wonder how many world leaders, regardless of what they say publicly, are breathing a sigh of relief that Israel did this.

Many, and that includes Mideast leaders.

Trump has responded to the air strikes on Truth Social, making it all about him:

I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come - And they know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse! There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end. Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All!

Ahh, remember when one of Trump’s talking points was that not major military action in the world took place when her was president because everyone was so afraid of him?

R96, R95 (me), It looks like Trump is ready to take the credit.

Trump says he gave Iran 'chance after chance' to make a deal on nuclear capabilities

President Donald Trump in his latest post on Truth Social said he had given Iran “chance after chance to make a deal” on its nuclear capabilities.

Trump said he had previously warned Iran that Israel, along with the U.S., had “lethal military equipment...and know how to use it,” against “certain Iranian hardliner’s [sic]” who he said “spoke bravely.”

"They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse!" Trump said, adding that Iran must make a deal before the attacks escalate further.

[Quote] I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal.

Trump was the one who ended Obama’s agreement with Iran. Even Israel said it was a huge mistake because it gave Iran time to restart it’s nuclear weapons program

Bibi will keep war going continuously to stay in power

Iran now being taken off the DL Approved list of countries —-“where can I flee to countries”—-because these people who are the Iran police might take your dog away.

Reason enough to go to Panama instead,

Love that picture R115!

r106, agreed. Major world leaders are secretly very happy about this. No one sane wants Iran joining the nuke club.

Feels like I've been reading about that Natanz plant for as long as I've been alive, and now it's gone. Or at least out of operation for a long, long time.

Bibi couldn't have nailed the timing better, too. That is one savvy bastard.

[quote] When people tell you who they are, believe them.

Oh, drop the Maya Angelou crap. You’re a brain dead moron. You don’t start wars because you think someone could do something. There was an agreement with Iran that worked. Trump ripped it up. Now kindly fuck off.

Taking out Iran's nuke capabilities was one thing. Taking out the so-called Islamic revolutionary Guards that are nothing more than bearded North Korean officers would be quite another one. I would be very disappointed if Israel (with or without the US) doesn't go all the way now.

[quote] I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal.

Who the fuck are you?

R118, it’s this type of shit that make governments popular. They won’t overthrow now.

R131, Israel and Saudi Arabia (maybe) care about this. The rest of us live in a world in which MANY bad actors have nukes. That horse has left the barn. There have been rumors that the Saudis helped finance Pakistan’s nuclear program so if Iran acquired nuclear weapons the Saudis would have them too.

R134, we overthrew the Iranian government before. There were unpleasant and unforeseen consequences.

r134 They did take their commander out, which is huge both in symbolic and practical terms.

You can't take out all of the IRGC because it's comprised of soldiers who live all over. There's around 125k of them, so it's a bit like wanting to take out the entire wing of the US military. Besides, it's the head honchos you want, not the foot soldiers.

So now where going to pump billions into Israel to support their war with Iran? And become a target ourselves?

Diplomacy was so much cheaper.

Let's thank Greta and her Freedom Flotilla for their invaluable part in distracting attention in the days before Operation Rising Lion. We couldn't have done it without you! 🇮🇱

[quote]So now where going to pump billions into Israel to support their war with Iran?

Now? This has been going on for decades. Military aid in the billions annually started under Bill Clinton, btw.

Tom Nichols in The Atlantic tries to gin up some enthusiasm for Israel's strategy, but concedes that it looks like a preventative, rather than preemptive, war. A preemptive war is meant to stop an imminent threat; a preventative war tries to remove a threat that is real but not imminent. Preventative wars are usually looked on as "both illegal and immoral" and often have disastrous consequences. Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor and the U.S. invasion of Iraq both started out as stunning successes. They did not end that way.

First two Iranian drones have made it to Israel's territory and they both have been intercepted.

It's not looking good for Iran, but not retaliating with what little they have left would have been even more embarrassing, at home and abroad.

It will probably be a pitiful response from Iran, lobbing 100 bomb-drones at Israel and only 6 or 7 get through.

After Rubio announced that the US had nothing to do with the attack, Trump is claiming credit.

Guess he wanted to see how it worked out before saying “It was me!”

Fox New is suggesting that Israel took out the entire high command of the Iranian Air Force:

Israel says it tricked Iranian air force leaders into meeting before deadly strikes

An Israeli security official told Fox News that Israel was able to trick top commanders of Iran's air force into gathering for a meeting.

“We carried out specific activities to help us learn more about them, and then used that information to influence their behavior,” the official said. “We knew this would lead them to meet — but more importantly, we knew how to keep them there.”

The official added that the strikes were more successful than Israel had anticipated. According to the source, air defense systems and ballistic missiles that were intended for use against Israel were preemptively targeted.

Axios is reporting that this was indeed all coordinated with the US.

[quote]But in the hours after the attack began, Israeli officials briefed reporters that this was all coordinated with Washington. Two Israeli officials claimed to Axios that Trump and his aides were only pretending to oppose an Israeli attack in public — and didn't express opposition in private. "We had a clear U.S. green light," one claimed. The goal, they say, was to convince Iran that no attack was imminent and make sure Iranians on Israel's target list wouldn't move to new locations. Netanyahu's aides even briefed Israeli reporters that Trump had tried to put the brakes on an Israeli strike in a call on Monday, when in reality the call dealt with coordination ahead of the attack, Israeli officials now say.

r43, why don't you just start shrieking, "GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!!"? You'd come across as equally histrionic.

Telegram channels reporting explosions in Qom, reports of new attack wave across Iran. 30 minutes until sunset in Tehran.

Well, good thing they're not signal chats.

Not sure why the joke, Telegram has been extremely useful throughout the war in Ukraine. Most everyone outside the US uses it.

Damn, R146. All of the top Iranian commanders lured to a single-location meeting and given motivation to stay there. There is just no substitute for intelligent planning/strategy, and that remains Israel's strength. Also obviously there are no traitorous moles in Israel's military higher-up, or Iran would have been tipped off.

[quote]The directive to take out Iran’s nuclear program was given in November 2024, says Netanyahu in a video statement, pledging to give daily video updates when possible. “The directive came shortly after the assassination of [Hezbollah leader Hassan] Nasrallah,” he says, adding that it was clear to him that Iran would rush toward the bomb once its proxy axis was shattered by Israel.

[quote]Netanyahu set the date for the end of April 2025, he says. He points to “various reasons” it couldn’t be done then, without going into detail. One very pressing reason might have been Trump’s announcement in April that he would engage in direct talks with Iran over its nuclear program. Instead, it was set for this morning, he says, without explaining why he chose that day.

[Quote] It will probably be a pitiful response from Iran, lobbing 100 bomb-drones at Israel and only 6 or 7 get through.

Yes, you’d almost guess that the entire Israeli narrative is a complete sham and Israel has all the power behind it, and is in fact acting like an evil, tyrannical regional hegemon, murdering and destroying anyone it doesn’t like, anyone in its way.

Invite them to their own unscheduled staff meeting then when they show up you blow them up.

Color me impressed

[quote]🤷🏻‍♂️

I understand your confusion, you're conflating Iran's conventional weapons with their nuclear armament, which is/was near completion. Easy mistake to make if all the info about geopolitics you get comes from Greta's TikTok.

Dear emoji-wearing fool at R154, this isn't about the drones. Israel is trying to destroy Iran's NUKES.

And Trumps popularity goes up not by a lot but by some.

Let’s face it you would have to be very progressive to be a public supporter of Iran's nuke grade weapons program,

National Security Advisor Hanegbi says Khamenei and his friends are not targets. So Khamenei can unclench, I guess.

Troll logic:

It doesn’t matter how stupid the statement as long as the word hegemony is used.

R159 I’m not a fan of any country having nuclear weapons, and I wish there would be more focus on disarmament, but if a country like Israel has nuclear weapons then why shouldn’t Iran? It’s a bit rich of the US to say that a different country is too unstable to have nuclear weapons tbh. As things currently stand, the most likely county to use a nuclear weapon is Israel. Take theirs away.

Actually troll logic is taking one word and claiming your opponent is invalid because of it, elderjew.

[quote]but if a country like Israel has nuclear weapons then why shouldn’t Iran?

Because Iran has a theocratic regime which has expressed over and over again that Israel must be destroyed? You really want those nutters getting a nuke? You know they'd lob it at the Vatican after they're done with Jerusalem, right?

This isn't like Pakistan and India where both having nukes means neither side will use it. Iran WOULD use them on Israel because it's a small country that can be wiped out pretty easily. The Jews said never again after the Holocaust and they fucking mean it.

Tell us, elderfascist, what’s the difference between Trump using MS-13 as a brick to throw at all immigrants, and your use of Hamas as a brick to throw at all Palestinians?

The hypocrisy of these “liberal American Zionists” is breathtaking to behold.

If it were any other country doing what Israel is, elderfascist would be screaming her lungs out to divest and intervene. The ziono cult is deeply crazy. DEEPLY.

r158 That bastard has such a bizarre luck with geopolitics, things just sort of come together when he's in office.

Anscher is off its meds again

R162 another progressive advocating for the Iranians to have a successful nuke weapons grade program,

R164 Israel is a theocracy too? As are (functionally) a lot of the countries with nuclear weapons. I’d be as secure with Iran having nuclear weapons as I am with Israel currently having them.

[quote] Iran WOULD use them on Israel because it's a small country that can be wiped out pretty easily. The Jews said never again after the Holocaust and they fucking mean it.

This is just speculation on your part tbh. The Israelis don’t really seem to believe the “never again” part based on what they’re doing in Gaza. Seems to be a case of “again, but this time we do the exterminating”.

And your point, r168? If you’re so against Iran having nukes, where’s your argument Israel shouldn’t? Since 1948 Israel has been the country that attacked its neighbors the most.

So help us understand your logic.

R168 I’m not - I said I’d much prefer an effort towards a global disarmament program. But in the real world, saying “oh you’re too crazy to have nuclear weapons” when the people saying that are Trump and Netanyahu doesn’t exactly hold much heavy water (there’s a nuclear joke for you).

r169 Last I checked, Israel has regular elections, just like any Western democracy. So no, not a theocracy. No offence, but you probably shouldn't be debating these issues when you don't even appear to have the most basic of concepts straight.

By the way r168, North Korea has nukes. Where are your cries for us or South Korea to attack them? You seem awfully quiet about that.

[quote] No offence, but you probably shouldn't be debating these issues when you don't even appear to have the most basic of concepts straight.

Not to silence anyone, or anything.

So much for open debate. I see why you're on the side you're on.

R172 you call me next time a non Jewish person has a possibility of becoming head of state in Israel. They describe themselves as a “Jewish and democratic state” inherently contradictory. Also have a google of “Arab surveillance Israel elections” and see what you come up with.

r174 No one is silencing anyone. But you really should know the difference between a democracy and a theocracy. I mean, fucking hell, that's like the most basic thing in the world.

And you don't need to white knight for anyone either, I'm sure that poster can respond on his own, I assume he's not a child.

When you've lost the argument, start tone policing. Or talking about dead kiddies in the streets. That works, too.

R173 start a thread about NKorea and see. This thread has nothing to do with N Korea or Japan in 1945. See two threads you could start..

R176 I acknowledge my error. It’s very early in the morning and I meant “functional theocracy” in my head but didn’t type it.

[quote] Or talking about dead kiddies in the streets.

You sound normal R177.

Israel estimates this will go on for two weeks.

The last thought from the last AF General still alive—-“ oh shit maybe we should have listened to Trump he did give us 60 days and I……..

Then they were all dead.

You must study your enemy honestly.. Trump comes off like an intelligent leader wishing the best for Iran and the US will help—-just no weapons grade nuke program.

It makes lots of sense at least if you are a non progressive.

Not white knighting for anyone. Just wanted to get my voice in--but then, you seem to have a problem with people speaking up with opinions that disagree with yours, don't you?

The successor to Qasem Soleimani – assassinated by Trump in 2020 – has been killed.

Israel has stopped attacking in distinct waves because they have achieved total air supremacy over Iran. They're now striking freely and constantly.

The Houthis have responded, but it hasn't gone exactly as planned...

[quote]Debris from the Houthi missile hit a Palestinian village near Hebron.

Lol!

Poor Miss Omar is angry that some Zionist people did something!

This never woulda happened when I was President.

What is happening?

The Houthis are such a cartoonish nuisance, they just make me laugh. But then it gets really sad when you see footage from that place and the conditions those people live in. Kids walking around barefoot and just trash everywhere. Iran makes a hellhole out of all its proxies.

Walz making his play for 2028 by saying that it’s china that has the moral authority to end this .

r187 Biden was basically paying them not to develop nukes and it still didn't help. I was on Iran's side for the longest time (most of my life, actually) but time's run out, this had to be done. I just feel bad for the people who can't shake off that damn regime.

[quote]I was on Iran's side for the longest time (most of my life, actually)

You were on the side of a regime that oppressed its citizens for decades, executed gay people by hanging them from cranes in sports stadiums, kidnapped foreign nationals and held them hostage and unleashed a war of terror against the west?

I meant the Iranian people, not the regime. But I've lost hope even for them.

If you support the Iranian people then you will be cheering on Israel.

So, if Iran goes batshit on Israel, as Israel did on Hamas in Gaza, would Iran be justified?

One could argue that the Hamas attack was a "preemptive strike" on Israel...

I’m totally on the side of the Iranians dressed in green walking their pet dogs in the street, going to bars and wearing what they want.

May we all live to see it.

(Nonetheless, technically this attack does not meet the Lutheran criteria for a just war.)

Are Trump & Netanyahu just saving face for Trump by saying he was informed? I can’t imagine they trusted him with any details. And now Trump is nattering about still making a deal. For what? A promise they won’t rebuild the facilities that were bombed? Is Trump trying to extort something from them in exchange for stopping more Israeli attacks?

[quote]So, if Iran goes batshit on Israel, as Israel did on Hamas in Gaza, would Iran be justified? One could argue that the Hamas attack was a "preemptive strike" on Israel...

Israel have attacked the military and nuclear targets.

Palestinians/Hamas attacked residential areas, tortured and murdered children in front of their parents, raped and butchered young people at a music festival and kidnapped 250 people including children.

The two are not comparable.

Nobody tells Trump or any of his cabal ANYTHING that they don’t want blabbed hither and yon.

Exactly R198 and the parallel to Russia vs Ukraine is a strong one in terms of intended targets and levels of evil/malevolence behind the attacks.

Donald Trump on Friday put the United States firmly in Israel’s corner after Israeli forces attacked Iranian nuclear sites and conducted targeted strikes on Iranian military commanders and nuclear scientists, warning Iranian officials that they should come back to the negotiating table with him before more Israeli strikes hit with devastating effect.

In a Truth Social post, Trump said he’d given Tehran “chance after chance to make a deal” that would have headed off the strikes by putting restrictions on the country’s nuclear weapons program and complained that Iranian negotiators had never been able to come to an agreement.

“I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to ‘just do it,’ but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done,” he wrote. Trump also said he’d warned Iran that Israel “has a lot” of American-made military hardware — “the best and most lethal” — and is quite proficient in using it.

“Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse!” he added.

Continuing, Trump said there was “still time” for Iranian officials to make the “slaughter” by Israeli forces “come to an end” before “even more brutal attacks” come next.

“Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE,” he said.

In a separate post, Trump said he’d previously given Tehran a “60 day ultimatum to ‘make a deal’” and claimed that the strikes by Israel took place on “day 61.”

“I told them what to do, but they just couldn’t get there. Now they have, perhaps, a second chance,” he said.

In a brief phone interview with The Wall Street Journal on Friday, the president elaborated on his social media post when asked if he was saying the U.S. had gotten advance warning of the strikes from Israeli officials.

"Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what's going on,” he said.

"I told the other side, I said, you have 60 days to make the deal. On the 61st day, they attacked. Today is 61 actually, and it was a very successful attack. They should have made a deal and they still can make a deal while they have something left— they still can," he added.

Separately, the president told CNN that the Israeli attacks had been “very successful” and said the Israeli government had operated with full American support.

Still amazed to see posts attacking "Genocidal Israel" as if Iran is a neutral law abiding state.

IRAN IS HELPING KILL UKRAINIANS ON A DAILY BASIS YOU FUCKERS.

Yeah right. They probably came to him this morning, and said they'd let him take responsibility for the big explody sounds he saw on the news if he pretended they'd told him beforehand.

Dozens of ballistic missiles launched from Iran during Khomenei's address, expected to land in Israel within minutes.

There you go R195. Of course Iran is going to retaliate with everything they’ve got. That’s how wars work.

I wonder how many of these missiles Iran has left, they're basically the only way they can target Israel directly.

Couple of missiles have landed, Tel Aviv in flames.

AP live stream here.

r207 Crazy footage. You can actually see the missiles entering from the atmosphere and the Iron Dome failing to intercept some of them, leading to impact in downtown Tel Aviv.

Terrifying, but also great job by the AP cameraman.

[quote] Tel Aviv in flames

You may have oversold that a bit.

Heh, just a little. People are wondering why there's smoke but no fire.

Apparently the military HQ there was hit.

Second wave of ballistic missiles has been launched from Iran. Takes about 15 minutes to reach Israel.

Look at how the war in Gaza has gone: Netanyahu has actively worked to prevent any ceasefire or further hostage exchange. So there’s no way he would allow any real progress in negotiations between Iran and the U.S. It’s being speculated on the BBC right now that Iran’s refusal to immediately capitulate during the negotiations was seized on as the trigger for the attack. If so, that seems . . . excessive.

Seven injured in two hit sites, lots of damage. They hit at the Kiriya, which is THE military HQ.

[quote]It’s being speculated on the BBC right now that Iran’s refusal to immediately capitulate during the negotiations was seized on as the trigger for the attack.

Netanyahu said this was planned for November already, Trump then delayed his plans with his negotiation process.

Iranians call for 'crushing revenge' after unprecedented Israeli attack

This live stream from Tel Aviv is like something out of a horror movie right now.

Meanwhile, third volley has just launched from Iran.

r208 did the Iranian missiles actually make impact, or just remnants of those intercepted above? There is often damage from falling debris after failed missile attacks in Israel.

217, looking at images right now, it really looks like a missile has hit a building.

r217 Yes, there were actual impacts. 150 ballistic missiles have been launched so far, with around 10 impacts reported in Central Israel.

Iran has about a thousand of these, but can only launch them in waves of a hundred or so at a time. They'd launch them all at once if they could, they'd inflict incredible damage to Israel that way.

Tel Aviv life in flames? Not so much.

perhaps Israel should finish off Irans ability to make ballistic missiles. is that too precise? require too much collateral damage.

fuck those mullahs. fuck Israel too, by the way.

r221 She's fine, she sends her love!

Third wave officially inbound, eyes on the stream again I guess.

Defense Minister Israel Katz:

[quote]Iran crossed red lines when it dared to fire missiles at civilian population centers in Israel. We will continue to protect the citizens of Israel and ensure that the Ayatollah regime pays a very heavy price for its criminal actions. The Prime Minister will soon conduct an assessment of the situation in the underground bunker.

R103 this is so awful.

[quote]Tel Aviv life in flames?

Okay, the third wave claim was bogus, seems to be over for now. Israel's gonna fuck them up good for this.

What flag colour symbolises underwhelming response?

r229 I mean, it's just hilarious. Symbols are all they have left at this point.

Israeli jets now heading to Iran to retaliate.

[quote]“Security officials: Iran has crossed the red line, we will begin attacking state infrastructure and regime targets in Iran.”

What a fucking mess this is going to be.

Yeah, Iran's response was pretty tepid, I bet they were praying to Allah for all their missiles to be intercepted. But they weren't and now the real pain begins.

[quote]Netanyahu addressed the Iranian people in a statement today, saying his fight is not against them, but against the Islamic regime. Netanyahu warned Iranians that "more is on the way" in terms of airstrikes and urged the public to revolt against their government, which he called oppressive.

[quote]"The regime does not know what hit them, or what will hit them. It has never been weaker," he said. "This is your opportunity to stand up and let your voices be heard." The prime minister also repeated a slogan often heard from those protesting Iran's regime: "Woman, Life, Freedom. Zan, Zendegi, Azadi."

In these chaotic times, it helps me to remember that humans will never lean fully into rationality, equity and peace. Sadly, men will always choose violence over peace, chaos over calm, competition over cooperation, capitalism over socialism, because they always want the chance to conquer and control someone else. Always.

It seems that Trump’s only gambit with Iran is “Let’s Make a Deal.” I would have preferred Monty Hall to be President.

[quote]I would have preferred Monty Hall to be President

Joanna Gleason, First Daughter

Just ten hits?

CNN reported a while back that Israel may force a regime change in Iran. If only. That would be win for Iran, too.

I mean, fuck Netenyahu, but he wasn't wrong in his statement to Iranians--now would be the perfect time for them to effectively revolt. This is their window. I really hope they take it.

Ukrainians have been cheering on Israel for the last two days on telegram. Iran has been one of Russia's biggest sponsors in the war. This is very good news for Zelenskyy.

Also, western countries are doing more than being secretly being grateful for Israel's strikes. The reason this was approved was because it immediately followed a report from the IAEA that basically said it's now or never. If Israel held off any longer it could be too late to prevent nuclear proliferation in Iran. The whole of the west and much of the ME is sighing a breath of relief that they didn't have to be the ones to do this themselves.

"The global nuclear watchdog's board of governors has formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years. Nineteen of the 35 countries on the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voted for the motion, which was backed by the US, UK, France and Germany.

"It says Iran's "many failures" to provide the IAEA with full answers about its undeclared nuclear material and activities constitutes non-compliance. It also expresses concern about Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons. Iran condemned the resolution as "political" and said it would open a new enrichment facility.

"It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

[quote] I mean, fuck Netenyahu, but he wasn't wrong in his statement to Iranians--now would be the perfect time for them to effectively revolt. This is their window. I really hope they take it.

To be followed, I would hope, in the Israelis revolting against their extreme right-wing government.

if they bomb uranium enrichment sites, doesn't this create vast radioactive pollution?

One can hope R242. Bibi should be in prison, not power.

R243 That's a very good question. Does anyone here know the answer to that?

R243, R245 That's been a concern. I've read from multiple sources that the IAEA has said that there has been no increase in radiation levels so far.

R246, Israel seems to have avoided hitting the likely location of Iran's enriched uranium. It hit laboratories, but not the uranium itself, possibly to avoided spilling radioactive material.

Israel did, however, manage to kill Iran's chief nuclear negotiator.

its the uranium constantly spinning IN the laboratories.

UN ambassador says 47 killed, 270 wounded in Israeli attacks on Iran.

Iran puts the death toll at 78.

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Welp. This is some bad shit, y'all. So, like, Iran supplies weapons and military hardware to Russia so they can keep fighting Ukraine. And the USA supplies military hardware and weapons, to Israel along with a shit ton of $$$$. Which is why Trump jumped up immediately to claim he had nothing to do with the attack Israel whupped Iran with. Iran doesn't believe for one second that we didn't authorize it or that we didn't know. And more of Iranian leadership was killed too. So. Donnie better make sure his bunker is supplied with enough frozen big Macs and cases of Coca Cola and Ketchup and fries and Chocolate cake, because things are about to get real. And did you know Iran tried to assassinate Donnie a wile ago?

R251 Just what exactly do you think Iran has the capability to do to America in retaliation?

R252, Iran apparently has terror cells all over the world, including in the US.

I believe if Putin greenlights them, the Iranians might make other assassination attempts or various attacks on our country. Whoever thought Afghanistan and the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden would fuck us up?

It's awful, but honestly, if they took out some of the cunts in the Trump Cult, I wouldn't give a flying fuck. I'm not saying it's a good idea, and could lead to bigger problems for the whole world, but really, if they killed some cunts cunting for Trump, I wouldn't feel anything but a dull, well, wonder where this will lead.

Iran doesn't have the HUMINT capacity to pull any of that off. Their intelligence agencies have nothing on Mossad.

The BBC's Hugo Bachega is reporting from Jerusalem in a white t-shirt that looks a bit grubby. Nice arms though.

The only way Iran could ever truly hurt America is if they were able to develop a small suit case type of nuke bomb or similar .. A few car bombs or killings would not be enough they would need a nuke or two. Or Ebola outbreaks starting in weho.

R258 - are you really quite stupid?

Iran has ALREADY hurt America. They orchestrated October7th which ultimately led to massive splits in the Democrats which helped Trump's election.

Yes there are lots of other things which helped that but you think the "Globalise the Intifada" protests helped the Democrats?

It always amazes me that none of the other Middle Eastern countries have much to say when either the Palestinians or the Iranians are attacked. I think they all realize the importance of neutralizing these countries for the stability of the region - they just can't be the ones to do it. A weaker Iran is better for the world. And by extension a weaker Russia is much better for the world.

R259 the Democratic Party has been split and fighting since forever. That’s what Dems do. If Dems want to split over an Iran issue then that’s on the fucking Dems. I don’t blame Iran because progressives will go nuts.

Besides who possibly thinks the Dems won’t split more. And again. No having a wacko Dem party , split over many things including the trans, was not what I was thinking about

More like dead bodies in the street.

And why the “stupid” you don’t talk to people in the street like that because they would kick your ass.

Do you think we should bomb Iran ourselves because Dems have become split?

R260 This is especially true regarding Iran. Iran's Middle Eastern allies mainly consist of factions and not actual countries. The Arabian Gulf countries are breathing a sigh of relief.

Yeah, no one in that region can stand Iran. And it's not just about the Shia–Sunni divide either, the Arab-Persian rivalry goes back a long time as well.

I don’t think terrorist attacks by Iran on American soil are going to split Democrats. I wouldn’t worry about that.

A lot of Iran’s power is in what it could do. If it no longer has nuclear capabilities and it uses all of its 2,000 ballistic missiles killing a handful of people in Israel and it activates all of its terrorist sleeper cells in the US and Europe; killing dozens, destroying infrastructure and uniting civilian populations in opposition to the mullahs; they’ll really and truly have no cards left to play.

The regime is cracking down, now arresting people for taking footage of the bombings.

[quote]Iran has arrested five people in central city of Yazd for taking pictures and "collaborating with Israel", Iranian news sites reported on Saturday.

As one Iranian expert said, if they start bombing and destroying infrastructure, oil, electric, water, protests and riots against the govt of Iran will soon follow. This could indeed lead to a major change in leadership and a freeing of the good people of Iran,

The Iran govt has no good options left.

Decades from now at US military academies they will be discussing and learning from this brilliant attack .

Refineries now getting hit.

[quote]The US covertly shipped about 300 AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-ground missiles to Israel on Tuesday, two US officials told Middle East Eye, confirming that Washington had advance knowledge of Jerusalem’s plan to strike Iranian nuclear and military targets early Friday. The same officials said US ground-based air-defence assets later helped Israel intercept more than 150 Iranian ballistic missiles fired in response.

American taxpayer dollars at work, though this is one investment I can 100% get behind.

[quote]protests and riots against the govt of Iran will soon follow. This could indeed lead to a major change in leadership and a freeing of the good people of Iran,

r266 I don't know, there are mixed reports about the regime cutting internet access in the country, which makes it that much harder to organise. Plus, they have set up inspection points at entrances to major cities, monitoring any movement. They have been resisting an uprising for decades, they are VERY good at this. I wouldn't put my money on regime change, personally.

America knew nothing about the attack?

The pizza man suggests otherwise. Hs pizza place is near the pentagon. An unusual rush on pizza orders right before the attack.

As I think they said in All the Presidents Men—-follow the pizza orders,

I really don't care, do you?

Iranian terror cells?

The Nazis also had terror intel cells in the US and UK during the war. They could have been very deadly if the FBI and the Brits did not know who they all were.

I’d b doubtful about Iran sleeper terror cells in the US being a major problem. A problem yes but not a major one.

[quote]if they bomb uranium enrichment sites, doesn't this create vast radioactive pollution?

[quote]R243, R245 That's been a concern. I've read from multiple sources that the IAEA has said that there has been no increase in radiation levels so far.

[quote]IAEA Says Radiation Levels Remain Unchanged at Iran’s Natanz. IAEA Says Radiation Levels Within Plant Are Manageable

IAEA is a credible source at this point?

How could we be so unprepared, how could we have misjudged so badly, why could we not stop them, why is our senior military now so dead, why are our leaders so incompetent?

These are the question the Officers of Irans military are asking today. While the Supreme Leader is off hiding

It’s not the generals usually that lead the revolts against their own govts it’s often the col s and majors.

The Ayatollah is currently hiding in the bunkerest of bunkers that have ever bunkered. No bunker buster or nuke of either Israeli or American design can reach him there. Doubt he'll come out anytime soon either.

So yeah, the change will have to come from within. I don't have much hope for that.

[quote]the IAEA has said that there has been no increase in radiation levels so far

Don't you love that term "so far"?

R274 He has to eat. His chef is a Mossad agent and so is the taster (he took the antidote).

I say this in jest, but it really wouldn't surprise me.

R274 you are saying that if a US B52 dropped a nuke on the supreme leader hiding in the bunker of all bunkers he would be ok ?

If so that is one hell of a bunker they built.

R272 "IAEA is a credible source at this point?"

I guess we'll have to wait until we hear the official report from the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran before we can know for certain. I'm sure they're more credible than the International Atomic Energy Agency.

r277 Yes, I am saying exactly that. Lots of countries have bunkers that can't be penetrated by nukes. It's really not that hard to make one either, you just dig really deep and use lots of concrete. Nukes don't really make huge craters, it's surface damage they're known for.

Iran will never financially recover from this.

R280 They will. With a regime change and support from the west to rebuild (not to mention they have among the world's largest reserves of both oil and natural gas). They will recover very quickly.

r281 I know, I was just making a Tiger King joke.

[quote]if a US B52 dropped a nuke on the supreme leader hiding in the bunker of all bunkers he would be ok ?

At that point would it even matter anymore?

And yet we have non nuke bunker busters than can go thru 200 ft of concrete. I m interested in what you are saying not arguing. I have seen pictures of what a nuke does. If they can’t neutralize the bunker of all bunkers I m really impressed.

Yeah, no one's dropping a nuke on Tehran, so you can dismiss that notion right from the start.

r284 You're not taking depth into account, just the thickness of the concrete You dig a bunker really deep down, with only a narrow lift shaft going into it, and you're pretty much safe. You build one big underground parking house, basically. Only you fill the upper levels with concrete as well, instead of leaving them empty.

They wouldn't use a nuke for that. The US has the MOAB, or GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast. It's intended use is to destroy underground bunkers and tunnels. It is unlikely that he would be safe from that and no radiation.

Mother Of All Bombs (MOAB)

Our mother of all bombs, non nuke, would be used on that deep deep nuke program built bunker built deep under a very large mountain.

I want to know if Bibi is still lying on the beach in Greece?

Here's another option. It will penetrate up to 200 feet of reinforced concrete or soil.

R290 Did Bibi fly over on Israel's "Airforce One" Wing of Zion? I know they are keeping the plane safe in Athens right now for Israel. Looks like Israel is getting more support with this than I expected they would. I get the feeling a lot of countries are relieved. Surprisingly little harsh criticism. Usually that's the first instinct when Israel is involved.

[quote]Iranian MP and retired IRGC general Mohammad Kowsari says Iran is considering closing the Strait of Hormuz.

[quote]This would block a fifth of the world’s oil and directly challenge the US Navy. The US Fifth Fleet, based in Bahrain, exists specifically to protect shipping in the Persian Gulf and respond to this kind of threat. Any attempt to close the strait would almost certainly trigger a US military response and could result in the destruction of Iran’s naval and coastal assets.

R292, I don't know who is enthusiastic about this. We don't live anymore in an age of rousing, decisive wars that neatly tie everything up and make the world a better place. Now, every time a government is overthrown either nothing changes or things get worse.

[quote] Iran has ALREADY hurt America. They orchestrated October7th which ultimately led to massive splits in the Democrats which helped Trump's election.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I guess Iran won’t be throwing any gays off buildings this Pride season.

[QUOTE] Iran has ALREADY hurt America. They orchestrated October7th which ultimately led to massive splits in the Democrats which helped Trump's election.

Wow this is actually.. insightful. r259 is right. I never connected the dots. R295 can’t see it, but October 7th definitely benefitted Trump. If Iran brought about October 7th, then Iran helped bring us Trump no matter how inadvertent it may have been.

R293 The Iranian government should close the Strait of Hormuz IF they want to commit suicide. They will certainly cease to be the government of Iran if they add that to the list.

I personally think they're done now anyway. I'm basing this on information from a friend that returned from Iran just before the fighting started. Another friend of hers is stuck over there right now. Both are Iranian born, but dual US/Iranian citizens. She said, among other things, that Bibi and Trump are looked at as their saviors. She's spoken to friends and family since she left and the celebrating they are having at home is not for the Iranian side. They believe they are getting ready to be rescued from the current regime.

Imagine thinking Dump is anyone’s savior, R298. They’re fucked if they do.

R299 I'm even more shocked that they think Netanyahu is their savior. I guess if you are desperate enough for long enough. They see it as a means to an end. I quite frankly think we all (Iran, Israel and the US) could use a regime change.

Well it has always been true, The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend. So I could see how the Iranians could be rooting for Trump or Bibi now. This would make what R259 has to null and void, because it no way would Iran want to usher in an age of Trump.

Dump’s probably already got golf course and hotel renderings for Trump Iran.

This is what happens when you put idiots in charge.

Trump was already dealing/money laundering with the revolutionary guard in Baku Azerbaijan.

(Which makes me wonder if non-ideological, but corrupt revolutionary guard members made a deal with super corrupt Bibi)

[quote]The Israeli army announces that the chiefs of Iran's military intelligence and the IRGC's ballistic missile array were killed in recent strikes. In all, some 20 top military Iranian commanders have been killed since Israel launched its operation against Iran on Friday.

How long do we think it's going to take for the Iranian regime to topple? Someone should put up a poll (I don't know how). I'm now thinking it's going to be much sooner than I originally thought.

Yes we live in a world where Trump is getting more not less popular. Not good news for the Dems.

It's official: ten Iranian missiles penetrated Israel's defence systems in last night's barrage. Three people have died, dozens were injured – seven of those soldiers.

Meanwhile, the IDF announces it has achieved aerial superiority from Western Iran to Tehran.

r307 I just can't see how that would happen, what with all these controls the regime has in place. The police and the military are firmly behind it.

Did everyone from Greta's Freedom Flotilla get safely deported before the fighting started? Otherwise, they're stuck in Tel Aviv for a while. No flights in or out of Israel right now. They had to cancel the Pride Parade but maybe there are still some Pride Month parties they can go to.

Absolutely NO ONE should be giving Trump any credit for this. At the very most, he was given a head's up immediately before the operation, but his administration had no part in organizing it apart from supplying some missiles. Mossad had been aware of these uranium stores for some time now and was simply holding off until they were given confirmation from the IAEA. An operation this strategic would have been over a year in the works.

Fox News and MAGA and mostly Trump himself will give him credit. Bibi will also let him gloat. He knows how to manipulate Trump. One big difference between Trump and Bibi is that Bibi isn't stupid.

[quote]An operation this strategic would have been over a year in the works.

More like decades, but the directive to carry out an actual operation was given in November, per Netanyahu's statement yesterday. He then chose a date (April) but got delayed for unspecified reasons (i.e. Trump wanting to try more negotiations).

[quote]Absolutely NO ONE should be giving Trump any credit for this.

Of course that's true, but if the Iranian regime does topple on his watch, he'll sadly get the credit for it. That's just how it works. And it'll be seen as the single greatest foreign policy accomplishment since Roosevelt fucked up the Nazis.

The mainstream media wasted no time getting on to manufacture consent for the US to go to war with Iran. This is Iraq all over, WMD and all. Of course the American people are stupid enough to fall for it again.

R316 The only similarity with Iraq and Iran is that both countries begin with an "I" when written in English.

Avner Netanyahu’s wedding, set for Monday, has been cancelled. It is believed by some that Israel used that event – among many other things, of course – to lull Iran into thinking an attack wouldn't happen this week.

DL will implode when Melania is proclaimed honorary princess of the newly restored Persian empire.

[quote]Well it has always been true, The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend. So I could see how the Iranians could be rooting for Trump or Bibi now. This would make what [R259] has to null and void, because it no way would Iran want to usher in an age of Trump.

The Iranian regime wants chaos in a weakened west. Trump is part of that. Russia is part of that. The refugee crisis in Europe is part of that.

Yes Trump is getting more not less popular. The why , the should , the crying of unfairness , is not the issue and is not going to help.

And if Iran does fall it will be under trumps admin not the Dems.

It’s a day for a military parade and bad news for progressive democrats who once again are totally out of step with the country they live in. JHC some progressive dems on DL have been advocating for Iran to have nukes.

Anything Iran touches dies. Just look at what its proxies look like – Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen...

Them having their cock cleaned has been a long time coming. Payback for Carter's October surprise, if nothing else.

As long as iz honorary r319, and not expected to do anyting. Agreed?

[Quote] The Iranian regime wants chaos in a weakened west. Trump is part of that. Russia is part of that. The refugee crisis in Europe is part of that.

All the fault of the Iranians. They also caused Covid, the 2005 tsunami and the cancellation of “Evil” on Paramount.

Is there seriously a Datalounger who posts as "Ziono"?

r325 DL is a magical place.

[Quote]Yes Trump is getting more not less popular.

There is ZERO evidence of this.

R325 I think some people use that as a pejorative for Zionist. Like using the N-word. That is, if they don't mess up and just say Jew.

R328, nothing is "like" the N-word.

R329 OK, then like the F-word.

[quote]Yes Trump is getting more not less popular

Let's wait for the turn-out and reviews for his Great Dictator moment, plus of course the No Kings impact. The numbers for which latter are not negligible.