Protests against ICE in LA

Things *always* get ugly here. This crazy-ass city is no joke when it comes to theatrics and dramas.😂

Link

Those ICE agents should feel blessed.

A different stroke of luck and they might've ended up stranded in a container ship in Djibouti with deportees!

Dark blue California outrage is so electorally important!

R2, they’re dressed in tactical gear and firing tear gas just to fight random citizens on the street. Stunning and brave.

Holy crap.

I hope it doesn’t bad after dark.

We knew this was coming...

Wait until they deploy the National Guard.

^We've had the National Guard down here once or twice before!

It's such a shame the same wasn't deployed on the Capitol Insurrectionists.

Wake up The ICE gestapo are not invading Texass & Flawduh. Next is state of emergency and National Guard troops. Shitler has declared war on Commiefornia.

Keep Hope alive.

Trump will use this to declare martial law

I'm kinda surprised that neither CNN nor MSNBC are on this....I get its the weekend, but still.

ICE can try to suppress protests for a while with military actions, but ai actually think this will make resistances/demonstrations against ICE worse.

The most significant aspect of these protests is the lack of black citizens. It's been an interesting development. Blacks saying that this isn't their fight. They did the right thing when they voted. Now they won't be shot, which is what this administration wants.

Any violence in this is 100% being started by alt right agents provacatuer. Scumbags.

R14, this is just one in a million things going on in the city. People who live in towns where the local Olive Garden opening or closing makes the news wouldn't understand it.

CNN is covering it

It’s been extensively covered on MSNBC.

R19, R20, ewww, cable news.

Trump's Reichstag Fire?

Marshall Law!

I think Trump calling in the National Guard is rather newsworthy, R18.

R15 AI is probably correct.

R24, he’s called in 2,000 Guardsmen. You need that many people because a few rocks were thrown at ICE vehicles.

I don’t think it’s that, R26. I think it’s In anticipation of what will happen after sunset.

R27, if you throw in 2,000 armed people something WILL happen.

It's interesting about the National Guard - they'll all be Californians, and probably a significant number will be Hispanic, and maybe even from that community or nearby communities. Would they shoot?

Ahem

R28

Apparently they haven't forgotten the Posse Comitatus Act because Trump only says he's activating the Guard to "protect federal functions" and not to serve as law enforcement. But of course in practice they're going to serve as law enforcement.

R31, FF for your whole entire life for that gross gif. How bizarre that you and other Trump cultists find that "cute."

They just said on the local news that the Trump administration said that it “will not tolerate criminal behavior,” so I thought oh good — does that mean Trump is going to resign and turn himself in?

Weird, Trump seems to tolerate criminal behavior from....all the criminals he pardoned

After the recent wildfire setting anything on fire in LA seems foolish

Protests LA style

Make America Great Again! 🤡

About an hour ago KCAL 9 said that Pete Hegseth announced that the marines are ready to come to the scene if they are needed. This is going to be a nightmare.

Kegseth's on the case!

Any reason they hate every economic engine in this county?

Country*

[Quote] And this was the turning point where the average American finally realized democracy was dead and autocracy had taken over…

I just saw a livestream of Palestine flag-toting maniacs starting a fire next to a Mexican meat market in Compton. Looked like the building was at risk of going up in flames.

It’s time for LA residents to rise up pure 2nd amendment style and go full militia on these motherfuckers. I’m ready for civil war. Let’s go.

^^^You go girl!!!

This is a pretext to subvert the authority of mayors and blue state governments by sending in federal troops under Hegseth and Trump’s command. It’s a power play.

The authority is discussed in this article about whether Biden should have nationalized the Texas National Guard in 2024.

Posse Comitatus does not apply in the face of Congressional authorization and Congress has passed the law discussed .

When Gwen closes the window, you know it's time to call in the National Guard

Are the restaurants open late tonight?

Craving something, r49?

I eat my poop

Trump thugs exacerbated the trouble just so hegshit can call in the marines-“We must defend our country” and then martial law for CA.

What is wrong with the police chief? Why didn't they handle this? Why was this allowed to get out of control?

They KNEW trump would call out the national guard

This has been trumps goal since day 1 shut down the rights for all citizens and call out his military and Militia.

This is the moment-democracy is over. And I was doing so well on my diet but why bother. Currently eating a can of frosting.

Marshall law is coming!

Marsha Marsha Marsha Law is coming.

It's LA dear

That prick is going to be 79’ next month and hes just getting started.

I just saw the video of ICE arresting a suspect tourist in what looked like Manhattan, leaving her teenage daughter alone and crying on the street, until a bystander tried to comfort her.

Does anybody know what happened to her? It was a pretty horrific video.

I did search but couldn’t find anything, before anybody pounces.

I'm afraid to go to sleep for fear I may wake up in North Korea.

King Kim Dump Not Hung.

R55 What flavor? Let us live vicariously.

"The time a town or even a country is really lost is when the people who live in it get careless and stop paying attention to how it's being run."--Lucas McCain, The Rifleman

R49 Hi Shirley, I hope you found your crème brûlée!

R10 I'd lick his crème brulée.

[quote]I just saw the video of ICE arresting a suspect tourist in what looked like Manhattan, leaving her teenage daughter alone and crying on the street, until a bystander tried to comfort her.

If it was the woman from Chile, I think the woman was released several hours later.

Thanks R67 - hopefully being reunited with her daughter and getting the fuck out of the USA.

The memorandum authorizing this action casually mentions towards the end that the members of the armed forces (i.e., the actual U.S. military) can also be used.

I watched some livestream footage of the protests in downtown and in Compton. The one in Compton was an absolute shitshow, full of nutjobs with Mexico and Palestine flags, arson, lighting cars on fire, and raiding a gas station. The one downtown looked very negligible and uneventful by comparison. For a city as big as LA, though, neither of them had very many people in attendance, which suggests to me that the majority does not find the matter worthy of protest.

R70, no, LA. is savvy. They’re not giving Trump any reason to up the ante.

[quote]The one in Compton was an absolute shitshow, full of nutjobs with Mexico and Palestine flags, arson, lighting cars on fire, and raiding a gas

These fucking Palestine people need to go.

R72 They really do. They're at every protest no matter the cause.

Horrifying.

This stuff only helps Trump. The majority of Americans want illegal immigrants gone and someone to bring down the hammer on American cities which they see as being out of control. Cracking down on immigration is something that has the full backing of the American public. These protests only embolden Trump to voters as he’s seen as actually doing something that he said he would do that no American president has delivered on, at least not to the extent that it’s being done in front of cameras and making law breakers do the perp walk. This is just a losing issue for Democrats and the left as a whole. Pick your battles for law-abiding “American” citizens. This is the image problem Democrats have right now.

Bless your heart, r75.

Countdown to Trump calling LA a war zone ...

I know people who moved to Arizona years ago. They’re academics, as left-wing as they come. They began having illegals breaking into their back yards and scaring them to death. This is something that the coastal elites don’t have to deal with and don’t understand until they started the sanctuary cities. Then it became a problem. People who are anti-illegal immigration are not all racists or idiots.

Bless your heart, r78.

[quote]What is wrong with the police chief? Why didn't they handle this? Why was this allowed to get out of control?

Here's what yesterday's press release from the LA Police Department said. Maybe things aren't as out of control as Fox is telling you.

"Today's demonstrations across the City of Los Angeles remained peaceful, and we commend all those who exercised their First Amendment rights responsibly."

R78 My Fat Daughter scares easily.

Fox News is definitely making the protest in LA look like the LA Riots. There was no looting and riots as Trump had stated. This extreme response to a couple hundred unarmed, everyday people throwing some rocks makes them look like a bunch of pussies, not "warriors."

"No looting"?

LoL, r83, NY Post???

R84 don't be obtuse. The footage doesn't lie. This was being covered by numerous live streamers last night in Compton.

Oh noes, r85!

R82, this shit was small potatoes compared to the Riots. Anybody who lived through LA in '92 would know that.

Compton/Paramount incidents are not protests; they are mob takeovers. That’s why you see Palestinian and Mexican flags and people throwing objects at people and cars and looting. These people capitalize on any whiff of unrest to engage in violence. The sheriffs will retaliate with less than lethal force and eventually live bullets.

The DTLA incidents are protests against ICE and now Trump’s activating the National Guard. The City of LA will deem them as unlawful assemblies while the federalized troops will deem them as insurrection. The “authorities” Will engage first with tear gas and flash bangs. No doubt there are non protesting agitators who seek to escalate the situation into mayhem.

Don’t confuse the two types of events. Protestors are exercising their right of dissent. Conversely, thugs gonna thug.

That's nice, r88. Thank you for sharing.

Buck never would've become a dreadful ICE agent!

I bet they are going to invade Canada and Greenland soon. He is meeting with generals etc at Camp David. He is a monster - he is getting ready to take over the world.

Am I safe from ICE? I am in Paris, France.

The hysteria continues

The media has been demonizing left wing protests since the 60s. They made it out that it’s un-American to oppose the government. Don’t believe anything reported.

The poor OP (and other bad actors) wanted to stir the pot and make things out of a molehill. It turns out it ended being a big, as they liked to say, 'nothingburger!'

The amount of money that is being spent per detainee is staggering. With all of this deployment, ICE has netted a whopping 118 this week in LA. Then, they have to try them and house and feed them and months later maybe deport them.

Since many of these people are workers, what is the payoff? We’re paying money we don’t have to deport people who are paying taxes, buying things, and providing labor in a tight market.

Don't click on R94's link. No offense, R94, but fuck Agenda-Free TV. Agenda-free, my ass.

I wonder how much the ICE agents are getting paid, especially ones who end up stranded in shipping containers with angry migrants off the coast of Africa. Making the big bucks, eh? 😂

No, they aren’t making much unless you look at the jobs these goons would otherwise be doing. It can be as low as $27k, but most make around $65k.

R100, I wouldn't trust most of those half-wits enough to be a CVS security guard.

Defacto said:

[Quote] This stuff only helps Trump. The majority of Americans want illegal immigrants gone and someone to bring down the hammer on American cities which they see as being out of control.

Lots of talk about “coastal elites” and “rampant crime in libtard cities,” which is why he runs here every time a crime occurs in nyc or LA and posts about it — just doing his bit to spread Fox News “alternative facts.”

All the Mexican flags do not help the situation.

R104, I wonder if you take the same umbrage with the Confederate Flag?

What a stupid question. Of course I'm not a fan of the confederate flag.

The Mexican flags are the problem?

And yet deploying the National Guard against the state’s will, masked and plainclothes thugs grabbing people on the street, and deporting people BY MISTAKE to a gulag in El Salvador - these didn’t bother your fragile soul?

I saw video of people waving Mexican flags. They are free to self deport.

R106, why would it be an "of course?" Usually the morons who go around complaining about foreign flags take no issue with Confederate flags, which by the way, is the actual flag of a traitor nation we went to war with and vanquished.

To where? The entire state of California used to be Mexico.

What do the Palestinians have to do with this? Get rid of their stupid terrorist flags.

Dumb ass Californians. They never learn. Riots are not effective and potentially dangerous.

MAGA politicians — “those foreign flags show these rioters are terrorists without loyalty to AMERICA!!!”

Also MAGA politicians:

[Quote] their stupid terrorist flags.

Terrorist (n.): anyone resisting rightwing genocide

No posting history, r112?

[quote]All the Mexican flags do not help the situation.

Why? Who cares about a few flags? It's a piece of fabric.

Haha. This thread is a total flop. Barely 100 posts in and we're arguing about flags instead.

Fun With Flags

The propaganda regarding these "riots" on Twitter has gotten out of hand. And you've got professional fucking trolls like has been James Woods retweeting it. I wish these protestors, such as they are, would stop playing into the right's hands. They are giving the cult footage for campaign ads. JFC.

R118, California has a pretty flag. The original bear king!

Here's Karen Bass giving a press conference. She's got it all under control.

Does Frawida's fwag have a fwamingo?

R122, it features Rhonda Santis wearing go-go boots.

R121 spoke too soon….

Same as it ever was

More cars set on fire in downtown LA. Very eco-friendly.

^ they were Waymo.

I live in LA and it is getting worse; however, I think there are agitators who are making this worse - which only makes it look worse for Los Angeles and California.

And, all of the Mexican flags are just taunting Trump. That is not a good look and I can see how that can be viewed as off putting.

Maybe they're Americans like the Boston Irish who never set foot in Ireland but want to feel proud of their ancestry. They had Irish and Celtic flags everywhere.

Martial law.

If you look at what has actually worked historically in stopping authoritarian movements, protest movements are at the top of the list. They’re not supposed to be cuddly.

R131 ooh that Luigi logic. It could happen I suppose!

4 Waymo self driving cars set on fire. Why? I dont get the motive? I could see if you wanted to set a police car on fire as that wold be a statement to enforcement but Self Driving Cars?

No, it’s not “Luigi logic,” fat snout.

Yeah because everything's working out real well in Ukraine. Let's follow them.

Can someone explain to me how deporting illegal immigrants = "genocide"? People have been deported by ICE for the past two decades. Obama earned the title "deporter in chief" because of the deportation practices under his administration. I do not like Trump, but saying something like this is pure hyperbole.

They weren't being deported to Nicaraguan death camps, they were given due process and not snatched off the street. He didn't harass tourists either or welcome white south Africans while lying about some bullshit genocide. Christ almighty, think a little

[quote]Can someone explain to me how deporting illegal immigrants = "genocide"

They were not "disappeared" to the wrong countries without due process, right to speak to a judge or anyone to be giving a chance to see if they were even illegal or not.

A few days ago.

ICE arrests Tajikistan-born Russian national as a foreign fugitive suspected of being a member of the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization

PHILADELPHIA — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested a Tajikistan-born Russian national who is wanted overseas.

ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Philadelphia, in partnership with the FBI, arrested a 39-year-old male, born in Tajikistan and a citizen of Russia, in the early morning hours on May 23, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

“Arresting individuals linked to terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaeda reaffirms our unwavering commitment to safeguard the homeland. Through close collaboration with our outstanding partners at the FBI, we have taken decisive action to make our communities safer and prevent potential threats to the American people,” said ERO Philadelphia acting Field Office Director Brian McShane. “I commend the dedicated men and women of ICE and the FBI for their tireless efforts and steadfast resolve in protecting this great nation.”

This individual was first encountered at San Ysidro Pedestrian West point of entry in California March 21, 2023, where he was charged as an inadmissible alien under the Immigration and Nationality Act because he didn’t have an immigrant visa. He was served a notice to appear before an immigration judge and paroled into the United States.

Earlier this month, Tajikistan officials declared this individual a fugitive, wanted for organization of a criminal community. It is alleged that he is or was a member of Al-Qaeda.

After his arrest, this individual was detained in ICE custody, where he will remain pending removal from the U.S.

They also didn't post up at immigration court to arrest people doing the right and checking in. This is all crazy as fuck and should worry the hell out of you

That’s my president! 🇺🇸

IT’S MARSHA P LAW BITCHES!!!! TIME TO START THROWING THOSE BRICKS!!!

R114 Drama isn’t going to help things.

R131 I would be surprised if this influenced anything other than further support for our existing immigration laws and Trump.

I used to take part in protests when I was younger and it felt like I was doing something good but in retrospect, I don’t think they win anyone over, especially when looting and/or pointless destruction of property is involved.

R135, what’s your point? It’s best to be weak and submissive?

Don't waste your time with the trolls, r145.

He's just polishing up the troops so he can go after all the June 14th protesters.

I was going to go to one of those protests, but yes, I am now officially chickening out.

Trump has called out the National Color Guard-how thoughtful…

r93 Check the list in Robespierre's pocket.

Nobody is safe.

All day chaos still going on LA-

President Trump stumbles while attempting to board Air Force One.

No, r151, stop lying.

Drunk again.

Shit's getting real. They shut down the 101! Traffic is bad enough already!

Newsom says bring it on

Newsom is a clown. He is pandering for 2028 votes. If we want to win in 2028---Newsom ain't it.

Glad Newsom trashing dump but he’s not makin a lot of sense. He’s such an embarrassment-please don’t run for prez.

Ditto and ditto.

NEWSOM-----"Democracy is at stake"......"Let's have a compassionate discussion".....blah blah blah blah blah........

Yeah I don’t understand how Newsom got as far as he has? Young and handsome? Big dick?

Escalating live on TV. CNN/MSNBC

The Revolution is being televised.

This was a peaceful demonstration that the Neo Nazis decided to escalate. they want chaos and will instigate violence. Kamala and others have issued public statements condemning the presence of the National guard as a complete deliberate over reaction.

R136 I agree. I want to be deported out of this country too. Those Latin countries seem fine. It's not like going there is a death sentence. It's where people go to vacation.

They’re rehearsing for Trump birthday parade.

I called this months ago. And Newsom "bravely" challenging Trump to arrest him is such desperate cry for attention. If Democrats wanted a liberal Californian we would have Prez Kamala right now.

Please. R136 is R165. You’re so spoiled by democracy you can’t see.

I don't think these protests are generating much sympathy.

Maybe sympathy isn't the point.

R168 You're stupid. I was just looking up a job in Mexico City. I might like to retire there someday. Americans are mean.

Thought it was all about State's Rights?

Unless you're the wrong state.

This is another losing issue for Dems...If the protesters think it's so bad---why don't they leave? Greenland?. Venezuela? Ethiopia? Anywhere. The whole world is just waiting for them to discover it and make it better!! Send us a postcard!!

R139 thank you for dusting off Al Quieda we've had so few gigs since you President had us over for lunch.

If standing up for due process is a losing issue, every single person in this country is fucked, R173.

And of course Newsom will be on all the morning shows to talk about NEWSOM. He will say things like "bring it" and "compassionate common ground" and "we have lawyers"---all of his Sunday MSNBC jibber jabber........sigh

R175 = You must have missed ICE BARBIEs rantings on the Sunday shows. Due process of what? Crossing the border illegally is a crime.

This picture is being pushed all over Twitter by Elon and others with the caption, "Make California America Again."

Maybe everyone will forget this by 2028. Or maybe any Democrat associated with this situation will be vulnerable to endless negative ads in a presidential campaign. We'll see.

I wasn't speaking about just these protests, R176. If the sidelining or elimination of process becomes normalized, anyone can be disappeared.

No posting history, r177? Which sock puppet is this one?

You're wasting time on a troll, r178.

Say no more, R180. I had to delete my list of blocked posters because I'd inadvertently blocked Della, so I'm starting from scratch. Thanks for the heads up.

This is Elon posting the pic at r177 to his followers. But other people are posting it, too.

Holy shit you guys - what do you want Newsom to do? If he isn’t on tv you want to know where he is. If he is on tv he is showing off. He CNN is all we’ve got right now. All a lot of people do is complain

Don't bother with the trolls, r183.

Super Peaceful!!...This guy already has a $$50,000 reward on his head for whoever identifies him. And he ain't the only one.

[quote] Holy shit you guys - what do you want Newsom to do?

For starters, he can fund Prop 36. He can kiss his presidential run goodbye.

R186 = Exactly. This guy ain't gonna win PA or any other swing state in 2028.

And that's the problem here?

Try harder.

Trump LOSES IT As LEAKED Newsom Call EXPOSES LA CRIMES!

Peaceful ROCKS hitting innocent drivers vehicles.

Violation of the law by president.

We need Mexicans in California! Who's going to clean our toilets?

[quote]And of course Newsom will be on all the morning shows to talk about NEWSOM.

Wrong Dear. He was just on Brian Tyler Cohen and and said starting Monday they are filing a lawsuit against the Trump Admin for KNOWINGLY creating chaos siting the lack of communication of plans to local and state law enforcement and violation of constitutional law. Or something to that effect.

Gavin has Big Dick energy.

DL faves Julian Morris & Landon Ross at the anti-Trump protests in Los Angeles earlier today:

PROPERTY DAMAGE !

The true story not being reported? Almost no actual illegal aliens being picked up or deported. At the Home Depot in Paramount? Zero.

Typical Trump admin incompetence. It’s all about the entertainment value, not results.

Back in the day (even through 2012), “workplace enforcement activities” were relatively common, not high profile and somewhat effective. This is just your daily dose of the horrific reality show we are all living through these days. Sigh.

Trump is simply creating and inflammatory situation. Hello, Jan 6. There was no need for the Nat’l Guard.

"I'm good." Aussie girls are tough!

Retweeted by George Conway

James Fallows ‪@jfallows.bsky.social‬ 12h

This whole interview by @governor.ca.gov w @jacobsoboroff.bsky.social is the way you would *hope* your governor would sound, in response to historic, lawless over-reach.

But if short on time, hear the final minute. Starts at time 13:40. A msg directly to Donald Trump

(link in the post)

R200. Why the hell would that idiot shoot at a reporter doing her job, especially when the camera was pointing straight at him? These people are insane.

R202: Yep, and it really looked intentional, all the other guns were pointed in a different direction. I hope he can be identified.

R202, because a lot of these morons are the opposite side of the same coin as the criminals they're after. Trigger-happy. Sociopathic. Get off through force and power.

Truthfully: how far away do you think we are from Trump declaring martial law?

"Typical Trump admin incompetence. It’s all about the entertainment value, not results."

Exactly. That's what this has always been about: showing Trump as a big, tough guy, a strong manly man. And yet people (especially men) can't see through all the bullshit.

Trump still is not going after the really big "guns" in illegal immigrants: meat packing plants in the midwest, poultry processing plants in Arkansas and Delaware, agricultural workers in CA's Central Valley and Florida, and construction workers in Texas and Florida. Why isn't he going after them? (1). These illegal immigrants employers are paying off Trump directly. (2) Trump knows damn good and well if he did try to tackle these industries, there would be huge food chain supply issues and soaring prices at the super market.

First he'd have to know how to spell "martial."

Always rising to the moment - Democrats are

[bold]Newsom Says California Will Sue[/bold]

Trump’s order from Saturday is quite broad, as several commentators have noted. It applies nationally, not just to California. It allows Hegseth to use any military unit, not just the Guard. And, it very bluntly states that “protests” or “actions of violence” are a “form of rebellion against the authority” of the U.S. government if they “directly inhibit the execution of the laws.”

Los Angeles is the first place where we’re seeing this applied. It’s unclear whether the order is legal; Governor Gavin Newsom (D) stated on Sunday night that the state would go to court on Monday to block Trump from federalizing the California Guard without the state's consent.

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There are times that call for stronger measures, others for maintaining peace and calm. IDK the best course, but it seems this is least he could do.

[quote]It’s all about the entertainment value

Is anyone here entertained?

MAGA Cop Targets Journalist CAUGHT ON CAM!

R209 The MAGATs, aka his target audience, are wildly entertained beyond all their hopes and dreams these days.

Did everyone see this interview with Newsom? MSNBC - it's worth watching. He's so angry he's shaking and just catches himself in time to stop himself from saying fucking.

California Governor Gavin Newsom said that President Trump "has created the conditions" surrounding the Los Angeles protests. The governor went on to call Trump's decision to deploy the National Guard "a manufactured crisis," then addressed White House border czar Tom Homan's threats of arrest. "Tom, arrest me. Let's go," Newsom said.

A visibly angry Newsom also said he had spoken to Trump and that Trump had later lied about what was discussed during the conversation. Newsome calls Trump a "stone cold liar". Now Trump wont take Newsom's calls. Newsom says Trump has manufactured this crisis and is making it worse by inciting violence. Newsom demands Trump remove the National Guard and then work together with California to clean up "Trump's mess". Trump initially said he was deploying 2,000 troops under Title 10 authority. Newsom accuses Trump of deliberately destabilizing democracy and of being an authoritarian. Newsom, interviewed at the LA County Emergency Operations Center, is so angry that he narrowly avoids saying "fucking" on live TV.

"STONE COLD LIAR!" Gov. Newsom SHUTS DOWN Trump for inciting violence in LA

I hope he has the conversation on tape. He's smart enough to.

Trump's sending in the National Guard is just so much political theater.

As is Newsom's response.

Why is the media not calling out Trump? 3 Words.

BOFFO BOX OFFICE

Not a peep from George Clooney. He had a lot to say about Biden last summer. Amazing how quiet he is now.

R210, stop posting the AI shit.

That *isn't* AI, r218.

Trump has DISASTER AM as Past Words INCRIMINATE HIM

Also r218 -

[quote]This stuff only helps Trump. The majority of Americans want illegal immigrants gone and someone to bring down the hammer on American cities which they see as being out of control. Cracking down on immigration is something that has the full backing of the American public. These protests only embolden Trump to voters as he’s seen as actually doing something that he said he would do that no American president has delivered on, at least not to the extent that it’s being done in front of cameras and making law breakers do the perp walk. This is just a losing issue for Democrats and the left as a whole. Pick your battles for law-abiding “American” citizens. This is the image problem Democrats have right now.

[quote]I know people who moved to Arizona years ago. They’re academics, as left-wing as they come. They began having illegals breaking into their back yards and scaring them to death. This is something that the coastal elites don’t have to deal with and don’t understand until they started the sanctuary cities. Then it became a problem. People who are anti-illegal immigration are not all racists or idiots.

[BOLD]Good summary of what happened---Newsome is right to be angry at Trump[/bold]

ICE raided several businesses in the middle of LA on a busy afternoon, resulting in the arrest of several dozen people suspected of illegally immigrating.

They used very disruptive tactics, wearing full military gear, driving military vehicles, blocking traffic in multiple areas at the busiest time of the week. They did not alert local officials.

This drew protesters from the neighborhoods, protesting the heavy handed tactics. Protestors told ICE and DHS that they should be ashamed of hiding their faces and their behavior. The LAPD showed up to clear the roads and shot many rounds of "less-than-lethal" rounds (tear gas, pepper spray) at civilians, local neighborhood people, children. These rounds can kill if they hit you in the head.

Some people in cars trying to just get home from work were blocked by the police and sprayed as well.

The next day the LAPD said it was all under control. President Trump used the protest as an excuse to call out the National Guard, without coordination with the Governor, which hasn't been done for over 50 years.

Many see this entire situation as avoidable, and they feel the escalations have been planned in advance by the Trump Administration to create a state of emergency so he can seize more extra-Constitutional powers.

Perps ,law breakers,criminal aliens,Al Queda,ANTIFA,anarchists, inserectionists, Commifornians aka random people on the streets of downtown LA.

r221 You posted that before.

Have you ever wondered why you don’t see ICE targeting easy pickings in southern Texas? What about the meatpacking plants in Arkansas or the agricultural farms in South Dakota? The reasons are twofold: first, Trump understands that such actions would disrupt the food supply; second, many employers who hire undocumented workers have paid Trump bribes to avoid scrutiny.

Trump has identified an "insurrection" as any attempt by the public to prevent the federal government from carrying out its duties. He didn't limit his "proclamation" to Cali but applied it to any state.

At any 62% of the American public want due process to be observed.

Trump FULLY LOSES IT after NEWSOM BAITS HIM

[quote][R221] You posted that before.

When, r224?

R224 exactly. Flawduh is swarming with illegals from CR,Venezuela and MX. They even worked at Mar a Lardo yet you'll never see ICE invasion raids here. Red State immunity.

Trump has MELTDOWN at WH LAWN and LOSES IT on CA GOV

Bullet in skull, please. ^

[quote] Many see this entire situation as avoidable, and they feel the escalations have been planned in advance by the Trump Administration to create a state of emergency so he can seize more extra-Constitutional powers.

The protestors could foil the plan by just going home and staying off the streets.

I do wonder how many were sent in as paid actors to try to escalate the situation. I'm thinking about the whie guy carrying a black umbrella during the George Floyd riots who was videoed breaking business windows with a hammer?

FOX REPORTER PETER DOOCY: “Gavin Newsom is, he’s daring Tom Homan to come and arrest him. Should he do it?”

TRUMP: “I would do it if I was Tom, I think it’s great. Gavin likes the publicity, but I think it would be a great thing. He’s done a terrible job, look– I like Gavin Newsom. He’s a nice guy, but he’s grossly incompetent. Everybody knows. All you have to do is look at the little railroad he’s building. It’s about a hundred times over budget. We’re putting a flagpole over there. [Points at White House lawn.] Under budget. I always do under budget.”

What the fuck???

Dr. Phil was embedded with ICE during controversial Los Angeles immigration raids

Supposed they deported all the "illegals." They keep sending ice out and caging up people like chickens and flying them back. They'll keep trying to return. It's never going to end. It's about how you come down on it.

You can have them be caught police at routine traffic stops, arrested, sent to trial, and deported or allowed to stay, assigned an immigration lawyer to argue their case and see if they're eligible to stay.

They come here for a higher standard of living and more money but developing countries are not the shithole countries Trump says they are. Brain drain needs to be stopped or this world will never be better. Brains make good societies and if they're leaving their lower means countries for a higher paying job they never will. They won't businesses that create jobs in their communities if they leave. The world needs to be less economically stratified. Donald Trump and Musk need to go. We currently have no brain in the White House.

You progressive idiots are a lost cause!

Never taking accountability for any mistakes/wrongdoings and would rather make up some fantasy scenario orchestrated by Trump with fake rioters.

Always blaming everyone else, especially Trump, who's just doing what the majority of Americans want -- closing the borders and getting rid of illegal immigrants, DEI, CRT, and trans/nonbinary agenda.

When Democrats lose big in the 2026 midterms, it will be due to their own haughty stupidity and ignoring the wants/needs of their constituents.

R235, excuse me, are you lost, you fucking cunt?

I believe never taking accountability is best exemplified by Trump, AKA Mr. Rapist, twice-convicted felon.

You have to love all of the MAGA California haters. They hate California but they love to use our internet, watch our movies and TV, eat our food, play our video games, and they *love* using all of our tax money to fund their flop red states.

[QUOTE]twice-convicted

Thirty-four counts

R 226

I remembered this phrase --

[quote] who moved to Arizona years ago. They’re academics, as left-wing as they come. They began having illegals breaking into their backyards and scaring them to death.

To me, it felt too simplistic and too smooth. It sounded like an exaggeration, if not entirely fabricated. I searched for the phrase "academics, as left-wing as they come," which led me to two entries: one was your post in 218, and the other was the title of this thread. At one point, an earlier version existed.

All I can do.

"You progressive idiots are a lost cause!"

And so are all of you dirtball scumbag American voters with your faux patriotism and faux Christianity who voted for an even bigger dirtball scumbag, faux Christian/faux patriot, twice convicted felon, sexual pervert, "failed" business owner (filed for bankruptcy 5 times), hypochondriac, insurrectionist, overgrown man child, pathological liar and draft dodger, R235.

And he's only deporting the low hanging fruit. He's not deporting any illegal immigrants who happen to work for big donators, and he's not deporting illegal immigrants who happen to work in agriculture, slaughterhouses, poultry preparers and construction. Why? Because he knows it would cause economic chaos if he did and he's not that god-damned stupid. And people like you are too fucking gullible and too fucking stupid to see that.

Parts of California have looked like a third world country for a number of years now

So do large parts of Texas, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia, R241.

Your point exactly is...............?

Even been to Belle Glade, Florida? Makes Port-au-Prince Haiti look like Beverly Hills.

Even the Midwest looks like a third-world country if you know where to look. Sad little Ohio.

R231 I remember that guy. Was he exposed as a paid actor?

A full battalion of Marines is being deployed in LA to quell the insurrection (by definition attempting to overthrow the US government by force), and in violation of the Constitution's prohibition on deploying the military domestically.

R235 I know what people like you think, the talking points. Your side thinks abolishing ICE will mean we have open borders and that means millions upon millions of Spanish speaking people will arrive pouring into this country and "take over." Donald Trump said the same thing. We will become the "third world" because we imported the "third world." Picture the worst places on earth and America becoming like that.

That's not what this is about. It's about due process of the law and American values,.human rights and dignity being upheld. It's about not having a gestapo like force evict people and detain them directly in violation of their rights. It's about racism, on a street that goes both ways. It's a cultural clash, a language barrier, it's not wanting *those* types of people here.

As Americans we cannot allow racism. Once they clear the immigrants, who's next? The black people? The homosexuals?

It's an ugliness I want no part of. Sensible enforcement of the law doesn't look like this. It doesn't rile up communities and thousands of activists. It doesn't round up people like Nazis did to the Jews. It's a slippery slope down once people have power. All because they're not white enough or they're taking our jobs or they'll force us to speak Spanish, or they breed like roaches. The Nazis compared the Jews to rats. They used propaganda to feed off the fears of people and that's how they could do such sinister things.

[Quote]You have to love all of the MAGA California haters. They hate California but they love to use our internet, watch our movies and TV, eat our food, play our video games, and they *love* using all of our tax money to fund their flop red states.

Excuse me R237

Federal aid for California wildfire and flood relief

FEMA has approved over $136 million to help 57,813 survivors recover through the Individual Assistance program, including more than $42 million for Housing Assistance and more than $93 million for Other Needs Assistance paid directly to survivors

And you do know that in the last few years almost 30% of all TV production is outside of the state of California and it's almost 40 per cent for films because it's too expensive to film there. Jobs are being lost as well as millions of dollars in tax revenue

Do try and keep up

R244 - Apparently he was identified as a white supremacist in 2020, but nothing has come of it. Like they need to be paid, right? Of course, people like this are out there.

Later that summer, Christensen, the arson investigator, applied for a warrant to access the cellphone of a suspect linked to a white supremacist group. (The Minnesota Star Tribune is not naming the man because he has not been charged.)

According to the affidavit, the suspect was a member of the Hell’s Angels and a known associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a prison gang based out of Minnesota and Kentucky.

Christensen learned about him from a tipster who sent an email claiming he was Umbrella Man, according to the affidavit.

The affidavit also linked him to a June Stillwater incident. A group of bikers wearing Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood leather vests had been harassing a Muslim woman. The suspect was photographed among them.

District Judge Luis Bartolomei approved a warrant to seize his cellphone information on July 20, 2020. No charges were brought against him.

A number of posts remain on X naming him as the Umbrella Man, including one that has been reposted more than 8,000 times.

Neither the suspect nor Christensen could be reached for comment. The Minneapolis Police Department did not provide comment on the warrant or the investigation.

[Quote] So do large parts of Texas, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia, [

[Quote] Your point exactly is...............?

R242 My point is that parts of California are beginning to like a third world country despite the fact that that may be true of other states. Got it!

Some of the most negative attitudes I've seen about migrants comes from other Latinos who either came here legally or who are native-born Americans. They look down on the migrants in the same way that middle class whites look down on poor white trash.

Do you have reading comprehension problems, r224/r239? As I posted at r221 - those two posts were from r218. Take it up with them. I was merely pointing out that they're a troll.

The Immigration issue is like the Trans issue. Bad for Democrats. We don't win this. Maxine Waters and AOC are both idiots. If we continue down this path, Prez Vance will be laughing all the way to Election Day 2028. Why can't the illegal immigrants have due process in THEIR country? Or seek asylum in Canada? Or move to Cuba? Why US?

R252 is like something generated out of a MAGA AI bot.

Or someone who knows a losing issue when he sees one...[bold] QUIT calling everyone who agrees with you MAGA. You sound ridiculous... Pissing off DEMOCRATIC VOTERS---and I am one---isn't smart. [/bold]...You tell ME how Immigration is a "winning" issue.

"Some of you learned nothing on Nov5, 2024."

And some of you keep regurgitating the same bullshit over and over again.

You know what Einstein's definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You can't even fucking predict what is going to happen tomorrow, much less predict what's going to happen in 2026 or 2028. So why do you keep doing it, and even worse, why do you expect us to buy the happy horseshit you keep trying to sell? Who the fuck are you?

You and your "you people" nonsense can go fuck yourself.

[quote] . Pissing off DEMOCRATIC VOTERS---and I am one---isn't smart.

Shut the fuck up. I'm an actual Democrat, and one who actually contributes money, and right now you're pissing me off. Cunt.

Not giving people in America due process is way beyond a slippery slope, we're careening down a cliff

R256 donates 5 dollars a month to the DNC and thinks Chasten is our next First Lady. Sad.

R258, oh look, homophobic, too. Yes, I am sure you are such a "Democrat," stupid cunt.

Once again, R258, you prove yourself to be a complete jack ass. You're not the political powerbroker or pundit/sage you seem to think you are.

Stop making yourself look like the asshole that you really are.

Talk about sad, pathetic and thoroughly discredited.

Trump goes BLOODTHIRSTY in SICK rant: “Troops EVERYWHERE”

Add this to the losing issues for Democrats. sigh...I swear some of you would vote for Kamala all over again if you had the chance. You didn't learn ANY lesson. You want open borders and men in womens sports. You think calling Trump "Hitler" and "bloodthirsty" is winning? How did that work out for weird Walz? We better start rallying around winning leaders like Gov. Shapiro and less around Gov. Newsom. He married Kimberly Guiollfoyle. That alone tells you he's an idiot.

Daddy chill

R262, I wouldn't mind seeing a man in a flowery dress kick your ass, you hysterical ninny!

R6, Homan always looks like someone who had a thumb dipped in salsa stuck up his arse, no?

It all smells of Reichstag. Radical leftists are fascism's greatest accomplices.

Are you anything *but* debunked right wing talking points, r262?

"You didn't learn ANY lesson."

Maybe because you're a lousy ass teacher.

Ever think of that?

R262, any sane American be they conservative (MAGAts are exempt because they're morons) or liberal can see how Trump is destroying our democracy. Circumventing the chain of command by calling in the National Guard and the Marines? That's straight out of Hitler's playbook. Then you have him threatening to arrest the Governor of California. When asked what the crime was the asshole said Newsom was incompetent.

If this country makes it to the mid-terms, I have a feeling the majority of Americans will choose a democracy in a dress with a five-o-clock shadow any day over this "I want a $45M military parade on my birthday!!! Who cares if it will cost $16M to repair the roads in DC after the tanks and military roll through. I want it now!!!" Dictator Veruca Salt 2025.

R269 I'm in a red state and the only Republicans who voted for Trump a 3rd time are mentally ill Trumpers. Anyone normal was already disgusted by him

Conservatives love what's happening. Cherie Currie is posting this on her social media and everyone is cheering her on.

The bitch is having a meltdown

R272, that useless old bag of bones

R270, it always bothers me when I read comments accusing traditional Republicans of being RINOs. They're the true Republican party. This cancer mass known as MAGA which has attached itself to the GOP, they're the RINOs. This country must move back to the center. Both sides have shifted much too far from their core principles. Two extremes and we're supposed to pick a side.

How very bothsides of you, r274.

This country is never going back to the open borders of Biden and Bush, no matter what party you are. Which makes these protests a losing argument for Democrats. Can we start picking something we can win with? Calling Trump names doesn't work. Just ask President Hillary.

R230 frau for brains

[Quote] Yeah because everything's working out real well in Ukraine. Let's follow them.

They’re having the same problem democracy in America is having — you fascist assholes are trying to destroy them.

R232 100m new White House Ballroom....under budget

R275, how very close-minded and rigid of you. This country is made up of moderates. The AOCs and the Trumps have taken over both parties and driven them too far from the center. What used to separate parties like abortion or taxes has now become a huge chasm where every single issue is like a civil war. I'm an American first and foremost and I really don't like what's happening in this country. So kindly fuck off with your weak, generic "bothsides" because it holds no weight with me.

there should be a generally approved list of shit that can be burned down in any LA Riots

I think anything designed by Gehry, but that's just me

[quote]the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood

They've gotta come up with better names for their little gangs.

[quote]The AOCs and the Trumps have taken over both parties

You are laughable, r280.

What a mess-Live on TV. That criminal president is going to declare martial law any minute. NO MORE ELECTIONS EVER!

Moderates like to think they are above politics, that they represent a logical position. But is moderation the appropriate response if it destroys the climate by delaying any meaningful action? If it puts us in debt because they agree to both tax cuts and spending increases? Was the middle ground an appropriate response to slavery? Are you a fan of the three fifths compromise?

In dark times, moderates are extremely helpful to the bad guys. And how both the bad guys and the moderate just love to talk about the radical bogeymen.

And you, R283, are incapable of an original thought. It's shame you can only do the ad hominem bit just like Donnie boy.

Reading the vile posts on this thread and other social media you realize Herzog nailed it.

Wow that was lovely and highly accurate.

Militias emboldened with Trump immunity are lurking locked and loaded in and out of every community waiting for the word.

You just know their buttholes tingle every time they say "Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood."

Glad my parents are dead. All their efforts and sacrifices during WW2 have paved the way for a dictator with a little dick.

How many Umbrella Men out there?

Newsom punch for punch for punch.

Newsom needs to just sit aside calmly and say “Let the Trump nonsense reality show play its course. How many illegals have they arrested? Oh yeah, none. I don’t need to file lawsuits. Just let the incompetence play itself out.”

Interesting you think that, r293. It was retweeted by Tom Nichols.

R294 Interesting… I didn’t tweet or read that anywhere. But I’m happy the thought is being passed along!

Note to Gavin: Call up the CA National Guard to repel Trump’s activations. CA 2nd Amendment activists: Join them with all your “militia” reserves. Let’s go Brandon.

[QUOTE]I didn’t tweet or read that anywhere

Thanks for admitting you don't know what you're talking about.

[quote] it always bothers me when I read comments accusing traditional Republicans of being RINOs. They're the true Republican party. This cancer mass known as MAGA which has attached itself to the GOP, they're the RINOs. This country must move back to the center. Both sides have shifted much too far from their core principles. Two extremes and we're supposed to pick a side.

Wrong and Wroing. The "RHINOs" or so called real Republicans have either left the party and strted things like the Lincoln Project or they sold out and are fully MAGA. There is no Republican party to go back to, it's the Trump party.

You second mistake is trying to play both sides game. If the left was truly as extreme as the right, we would have actual Socialist advocating to abolish the constitution and Capitalism and replace it with something similar to what Russia has. Name 5 Senators that have said anything even remotely like that. You cant because the left is where it's always been, slightly left of center. It's the right that has gone off the rails. Stop playing both sides BS, you are embarrassing yourself.

Look at this dumb bitch. "Latinas for Trump" founder Florida State Sen. Ileana Garcia:

"WE VOTED FOR TRUMP TO DO THIS TO [bold]OTHER[/bold] BROWN PEOPLE!!!! NOT TO US!!!!! IT'S INHUMAME!!!!"

DL won't let me link directly to the Miami Herald so here's a screenshot.

R298, I'm so sorry it offends you because I'm able to look at all sides of a problem in an objective manner. That's not the" both sides game," that's just an ability I possess that most seem to be lacking, including you. Until the GOP is renamed the Trump party it is still indeed the GOP. There are Rs who are slowly coming back to the fold whether it be by principle, the fear of losing an election, or the realization Trump is on a downward slide, and they've been manning a sinking ship.

As for the left, you can defend the extremists all you want but the policies they endorse have driven the majority of Americans away from the party. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders scream about capitalism every chance they get. Bernie is non-stop with his socialism bullshit. When you have Senator Warren declaring all profits should go back to the employees at the expense of the shareholders, that's a direct attack on capitalism. So, there's Bernie and Liz, and here's a quote (see below) about four Dem Senators (including Liz) so there's your five.

"Tammy Baldwin, Tom Carper (now former Senator, he left in 2025), Mark Warner and Elizabeth Warren — are banding together to “fundamentally reform” capitalism. Above all, it suggests growing Democratic unity around pushing corporate America to focus less on shareholders and short-term profits. And it signals an early priority for lawmakers."

Lastly, your little blurb about me embarrassing myself shows you to be a weak debater; someone who needs the old ad hominem in order to deflect from the fact you don't actually have a strong argument. Sounds a bit like a certain POTUS's typical MO, don't you think?

Lawrence and Rachel Maddow discuss Trump saying in 2020 presidents can't deploy the National Guard

CNN has been detained.

R300 I'm not who you were arguing with but “reform” ≠ “replace”. And I agree with the other poster, the democrats are not a left wing party, they’re functionally completely centrist.

[quote]There are Rs who are slowly coming back to the fold whether it be by principle, the fear of losing an election, or the realization Trump is on a downward slide, and they've been manning a sinking ship.

While Trump is still alive none of this will happen. Although thwarted by the " adults in the room" during his first presidency, Trump is an authoritarian dictator and the Trump administration is a textbook case fascist regime. He's the figurehead and Miller & co are running the really evil stuff. It only took a few months but that's what we have. No Republican is going to get out of line - a few might mouth off a bit but they'll all line up when it counts. It's time we just start dealing with it R300.

"We are being kidnapped in our homes by ICE"------>>Non Kidnapped Illegal Immigrant talking to CNN.

This issue isn't going to win us the White House any more than men in dresses is.

[quote]The Insurrectionists have a tendency to spit in the face of the National Guardsmen/women, and others.

Each and every time Trump cites 'Insurrectionists' there's only one huge mental and visual memory-source for everyone. It was Trump who revived the word and actuality of Insurrection in the most notorious way: on 'his own' Capitol Building no less. The building was desecrated with much worse than spit. All the stubby finger-pointing in the world by Trump will never ever erase those scenes, and all they told us about the pathology of their instigator.

1) spread the word on the internets that there will be peaceful protests; 2) deploy Rethuglian operatives into the crowd to agitate; 3) sit back and let the rioting and looting begin; contact FOX News; 4) deploy law enforcement, troops, etc.; 5) blame Democratic city officials.

Meanwhile, lots of tanks are on their way to Washington for Trump's military parade...

[quote]I'm able to look at all sides of a problem in an objective manner.

I stopped right there. That screams of classic narcissists who believe they have special insight that no one else around them must have. Bernie Sanders? He's not even a Democrat Sherlock. Besides, even if he was, as I said, can you point to any legislation that has actually been proposed and passed by the MAJORITY of Democrats that implement actual socialism?

Sorry, your both sides tired talking points are childish notions. By your logic, the earth is both round and flat because both sides are too extreme in their viewpoint.

R307 it’s a great plan that would work quite well—-if they can pull it off without being caught, They want to win again and again and again. Why play fair and nice if winning is your only goal?

R306 we live in a world that changes so fast , from week to week, that most Americans don’t know who won the World Series last year or think about J6 much at all. Mostly not at all.

If progressives think that J6 is a major issue today that will sway voters in the future then tell me who won the last World Series without a google.

Moving On. That is America today. What happened last year is ancient history.

The Jan 6th INSURRECTION is not the same as some stupid sports game. America was attacked from within. It's an historic marker no different than Pearl Harbor. The videos will live forever. Those who want to diminish it are MAGA of course and to those who say move on, I say OK, tell the to the Jewish people from WW2. Some things are too history and tragic to "move on" from. They serve a cautious reminders.

So spare us with America has short memory with your false comparison to the World Series.

R312 if J6 was such a big deal today then Harris would be potus today.

If J6 did not help the Democratic s sweep to a massive win last November, when they actually lost 0-3 plus lost all 7 battle ground states , it’s not going to mean shit in 2028 years from now.

You are free to think J6 will be a game changer in 2028 or it’s going to help the democrats a lot but it’s going to be a nonissue. That is different than saying it should be a non issue.

It’s best to live in the real world not a world that does not exist in reality. J6 will be a total non issue in 2028. The trans though still might be,

J 6th WAS the big issue in this last election. Your simplistic logic is not convincing to anyone. The country is split down the middle between the Democrats who believes in free and fair elections, acting like adults who want the country to be a better place which is in direct convincing with 51% MAGA who don't care about the rule of law, fairness, ethic, or that a 34 count felon / rapist is put into the White House. They have no belief system they stick to other than sticking to whatever their lord and master Trump tells them to believe. To blame Democrats and thinking all they have to do is pick the right topic will suddenly sway any of them is laughable and quite delusional.

I live in the real world where I know MAGA and RHINOs all fall in line with Trump no matter what view or issues he has. You live in a false world of ideals where if Dems just toned down their views it would some how break the magical spell Trump holds over his flock for the last 10 years which has only gotten stronger and more crystalized.

R314

I live in a world where the Democratic Party is now the minority party , unheard of and unthinkable when I was coming of age, in terms of numbers and got totally swept in the last election.

I live in a world where the GOP controls the courts and media mostly and the house , senate and White House totally.

Then after losing 0-3 the Democratic Party continued to get smaller and less popular.. And in the first time since forever the democrats started to lose some of their strongest and usually most hardcore loyal and traditional supporters .

That’s the world I live in. You think J6 is going to be a big issue in 2028? Nope but the trans just might be.

I just read from a friend that many of the local police partook in the local pride celebrations. So this might be a media blitz sort of thing. Something that Trump adores sailing on top of

Immigration is a losing issue. Even lifelong Democratic New Yorkers were pissed as hell about the hotel rooms, free health care and debit cards for the migrants five minutes after they arrived in the city.

For the last time, MAGATs don't make up 51% of the country. They barely make up 50% of the meth infested Church of the Children of the Corn states. Most Americans don't vote. Because they have to work, don't give a shit, don't have a licence, or don't care. Magats are a loud minority.

Trump turned this into a total shitshow, there was no need for the National Guard.

Unfortunately R318 - not voting is a political action and has political consequences.

MAGATs is like calling someone a commie. What the fuck does that even imply. It’s a stupid short hand insult used by clones.

People vote or they don’t. They vote GOP or Dem and a few vote green.

That is the only issue who votes for who.

11% of the country identifies as progressive

19% of the country identifies as far right

Some people troll not to convince other people but to convince themselves. They show up here to provoke quarrels so that they can, once again, feel victimized and justified in their anger at "liberal elites" or "leftists" or whoever they hate.

After decades of propaganda and the GOP playing to the worst in people the US electorate is hard right by and large, to their own detriment of course. Talk about suckers and losers.

I’m afraid that this fucking military parade on Saturday may have the dual purpose of getting armament, military vehicles and such, into DC for good. Some of these tanks may never go back to where they came from and be at the ready to clamp down on American civilians.

LOL tanks needed to control American civilians R342?

The Marine Corps sure won’t be bringing tanks to LA . The Corps no longer has tanks. And they are planning to fight real wars

Sorry R324 as well.^

R317 speaks the truth.

Mein Reichstagsfeuer

As a friend of mine put it: "why the fuck am I paying $3500 a month to live in Brooklyn and $500 a month for health insurance? I can pretend to be a migrant and get a free hotel room in Midtown and free health care."

It was such a boneheaded move on that idiot Eric Adams' part.

Americans have a weird fixation that anyone gets any benefit, no matter how meager, the world will collapse. We also tend to wildly exaggerate the benefits provided.

I was in an Uber in Germany, and the driver started talking about the social benefits to poor Germans. I asked him if politicians tried to attack these people for being unwilling to work, and the guy was genuinely confused.

R300 tim miller is here

[quote] Americans have a weird fixation that anyone gets any benefit, no matter how meager, the world will collapse.

There are some Americans who act like if any benefit is taken away from anyone, no matter how small, the world will collapse.

"Americans have a weird fixation that anyone gets any benefit, no matter how meager, the world will collapse. We also tend to wildly exaggerate the benefits provided."

America and its politics (especially those as practiced by Trump/Republicans/MAGA) are best summed up in the words of LBJ: No need to look any further because LBJ had the definitive answer:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Things got ugly when supposed PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS. threw rocks at cops, spat in their faces, kicked them and set police on fire. Everyone of the bitches should have been peppered sprayed. I

R334 here. Set "police car on fire," not police.

[quote]should have been peppered sprayed. I

I [bold]WHAT[/bold] R334????

[quote]"Americans have a weird fixation that anyone gets any benefit, no matter how meager, the world will collapse.

You have to remember that there is no national health care in America, yet the migrants were getting health care right away, along with free housing. It's no surprise that many Americans were angry about that.

What a coinky dink it is that Americans’ anger is directed at people with less power rather than the people with power, r337. See r333.

Comes out swinging.

The two are not mutually exclusive r338. Native born Americans who are struggling and don't have health insurance and then migrants arrive and in five minutes they get benefits. It's understandable why there's resentment.

R334 fuck using pepper spray

They actually don’t get the benefits you are suggesting. New York had a right to shelter that guaranteed housing.to everyone. These benefits were not just for migrants.

But as these benefits are rescinded and limited, tell me how benefits for struggling Americans have improved.

At least half of this thread sounds like Fox News talking points...

R342, don’t expect a thoughtful response from a trained seal that just barks Fox News talking points.

[Quote] At least half of this thread sounds like Fox News talking points...

Because half this thread is one desperate rightwing gay starved of attention

r342 they were rescinded due to public outrage.

R346, how embarrassing. Lambchop, you really don’t get this, do you?

You and Cletus in West Virginia are not the “public,” Matt.

r347 again, putting migrants up for free with native born Americans struggling is a bad look. What do you suggest should have been done?

[quote]You and Cletus in West Virginia are not the “public,” Matt.

I actually live in NYC idiot.

Too toxic gurls. Let's pause for a bit of uplifting inspiration..

Immigration can't be a free-for-all

Still slow, r350. Porkchop, you are the one who presents this as a competition. One where you lose, and the rich win. Oldest story in American history.

r535 with yet another tired old trope. And condescendingly calling me "Porkchop" is a nice touch. You don't seem to have any answers, just name-calling.

This is a losing issue for Democrats, immigration has to be controlled. And I'm saying this as a moderate who hates Trump and think his sending the military to LA was ridiculous. Most Americans are moderates, not far left or far right.

11% of Americans identify as progressives.

19% of Americans identify as far right.

Actual survey data.

[quote] I WHAT [R334]????

I TROLL!!

Perfect excuse Perfect storm for Trump to send in ‘’ his’’ military and take hold of blue cities-states and congressional dems are no match for a cocky Hegseth who is only trying to ‘’protect Americans’’. We’re doomed and not helped by a self centered Newsom-yes we’re doomed.

R357 showing the steel in his spine

Newsom is fucking useless, he's in way over his head. He doesn't know how to fight.

R170 What is the point of setting cars on fire, blocking roadways, smashing glass with skateboards, looting and throwing rocks at passing cars? The 2020 protests in Portland, Minnesota and Los Angeles devolved into the same thing even without the presence of the national guard.

R357 you should feel good that the democrats did not compromise their principles last election in an attempt just to get more votes, As often said on DL —-why should I ever compromise principle with people I don’t always agree with. And just to win with more votes.

Defeated Crushed Principled.

Something’s are more important than winning,

You don't block roadways if you want people on your side. That is one of the most annoying and infuriating things you can do.

You also don’t assume that the trouble is being caused by the legit protestors. Unless you really want to discredit the protest.

I think it's unlikely the Supreme Court will side with Newsom over Trump when there are all these vids of burning cars and Mexican flags on their TVs.

[quote]You have to remember that there is no national health care in America, yet the migrants were getting health care right away, along with free housing. It's no surprise that many Americans were angry about that.

You aren't fooling anybody, r362.

The military response in LA has already cost $134M. Surprise! We have no money for health care, “real Americans.”

Trump is purposely doing this so he can eventually declare martial law… conveniently before the midterms

r365 perhaps you should step outside your bubble and engage with the fucking real world.

[QUOTE]Newsom is fucking useless, he's in way over his head. He doesn't know how to fight.

Give us examples of Newsom not knowing how to fight. You really should know better before you attempt to debate a point on DL. If you're familiar with DL at all

[Quote] This is a losing issue for Democrats, immigration has to be controlled. And I'm saying this as a moderate who hates Trump and think his sending the military to LA was ridiculous. Most Americans are moderates, not far left or far right.

Trump and Biden were able to deport thousands more without all this in-your-face violence and ripping families apart. Trump is doing this so cruelly because he wants to make a big show of it. He’s doing nothing else of any value.

r369 Newsom is a lame duck. Democrats need some balls.

Answer the question asked, r371.

You go first r372

I didn't ask any questions, r373

[quote][R365] perhaps you should step outside your bubble and engage with the fucking real world.

LoL, r368, my "bubble" just happens to be located in LA.

There’s news that Trump is preparing to block the federal aid it gives California. Considering California gives $80 billion more in taxes than it receives from the Federal gov, let’s see if Newsom has to balls to tell California’s to stop paying federal taxes

And even in LA you can still be in a bubble

[Quote] You have to remember that there is no national health care in America, yet the migrants were getting health care right away, along with free housing. It's no surprise that many Americans were angry about that.

Migrants aren’t getting healthcare on any regular basis. The clinics they access in emergencies are the same one uninsured Americans can access. What migrants are getting free housing? They’re housed in shelters and when they get jobs, they pay rent like everyone else.

Tell yourself whatever you have to, r377.

Migrants are the ones who allow the rest of us to live comfortable middle class lives.

I can afford a gardener and cleaning lady because they are migrants. My neighbors can afford a nanny. People can afford to get their hair and nails done. We can afford construction on our houses and going to restaurants.

R380 maybe the most lib comment ever posted.

[Quote] Migrants aren’t getting healthcare on any regular basis. The clinics they access in emergencies are the same one uninsured Americans can access. What migrants are getting free housing? They’re housed in shelters and when they get jobs, they pay rent like everyone else.

I don't know about Los Angeles but in New York City they are being put up in hotels, given food and debit cards. And many of those who are being taken care of are not old enough to have jobs; they're children

R343, it really is a honeypot for Schutzstaffeltrolle, isn't it?

It just keeps you awake at night, doesn't it, r382?

Hotels? Food? Medical care? For children!

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

Actually R385 there are borders and many of these people came here illegally during the Biden administration and are overwhelming many areas of the United States Our tax dollars at work.

[quote]r386 = overwhelming many areas of the United States

Time to send in the National Guard and Marines. drama queen?

R387 Denver, the state capital and the center of a sprawling metropolitan area of more than three million people, has spent more than $42 million on the migrants. If expenditures continue at the current pace of $3.5 million a week, the crisis could cost the city about $180 million in 2024, or 10 percent or more of its annual budget.

2024? Isn’t that the year Republicans, led by Donald Trump, refused to even vote on their own immigration reform bill? How strange,

That money should be spent on American citizens.

Not to burst your bubble R387 Why do you think Dems lost in 2024? In an exclusive interview with NBC New York, Adams said he and the mayors of the other cities — Chicago, Denver Houston and Los Angeles — will meet with federal lawmakers to help them develop a plan to manage the surge of migrants they say are arriving with little to now coordination, support or resources from President Joe Biden's administration.

"This is an unsustainable crisis that is man-made, and we need to come up with real solutions," Adams told News 4. "This is not sustainable…we need to all have the same voice that this should not be happening to the city of New York."

Then that idiot Adams went ahead and fucked it all up.

r388 -

[quote]In his first six months in office last summer, the mayor of Denver, Mike Johnston, managed to get more than 1,200 homeless people off the streets and into housing. That seemed like a fitting feat for a city that prides itself on its compassion.

[quote]It would turn out to be a footnote compared with the humanitarian crisis that Denver would soon face as thousands of migrants flooded the city, many of them bused from the southern border by Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas and almost all of them in need of shelter and support.

The excitement at Camp Pendleton must be really high right now Like getting ready to go into Danang city spring 1966 to put down an uprising .

. Cleaning weapons checking ammo and food doing it again and again to make sure. Getting ready to deploy. And most of these youngsters this will be the first time under fire.. Don’t worry in time they will learn,

And when they re done serving you fucks will be paying for their education and VA housing loans :-).

What a country.

I admire Latinos, but when Trump says illegals are violent and the protestors throw rocks and ruin police cars, it's not helping.

[Quote] That money should be spent on American citizens.

Many Chicagoans would agree with you R390

When Black residents see the large financial investment being made to help support the migrants, they rightfully question when it will happen for them. We can make the same investment in our own as we have in others. Now is the chance for bold and courageous leadership to preserve Black Chicago by committing the same amount of money that has been spent to date on our migrant mission, $300 million, since August 2022.

Investigators say the teens confronted their victims in the heart of Times Square, then surrounded them. A video posted to social media shows two police officers being attacked while trying to stop the robbery.

.R393 And this is not the first time it's happened in New York City. A similar incident occurred earlier this year

In New York it's been an ongoing problem

from Oct. 15, 2024

"That money should be spent on American citizens."

But you really would prefer that money go to multi-billionaires in the form of tax cuts, because you don't want any low-life black or brown people to get something they don't deserve.

Oh, no Tommy wants to wrestle Newsom.

I pity the poor person who has to give Tommy Tuberville a math lesson about percents and per capita. I'm sure he won't get it. I mean Trump’s slightly smarter than Tommy, and he proclaimed last week that eggs were free ("They went down 100%!) There's no hope for Coach Low T.

[quote]But you really would prefer that money go to multi-billionaires in the form of tax cuts, because you don't want any low-life black or brown people to get something they don't deserve.

No, as a matter of fact you black-and-white thinking myopic fuck, I think the elite class has far too much in tax breaks and overcompensation and that needs to be corrected. Working class people are shit on in this country and they deserve a lot more than they're getting. They deserve living wages and healthcare. We don't need an elite class that holds so much wealth and we don't need a migrant slave class either.

[Quote]"That money should be spent on American citizens."

[Quote] But you really would prefer that money go to multi-billionaires in the form of tax cuts, because you don't want any low-life black or brown people to get something they don't deserve.

speaking of worn out platitudes R399 and the $300M spent as of August 2022 on migrants in Chicago was not spent on billionaires nor on Chicago's large black population. see R396 and the millions if not billions spent on migrants in Denver, NYC and Houston was not spent on billionaires either

the view

Latinos don't see themselves as one united bloc. Puerto Rican friend of mine frequently talks bad about "the Mexicans". Black friends of mine often don't like Latinos. Being white, I just try to change the subject. Not my place to get into that battle.

The only people that can spot truly united blocks of people are those viewing from a great distance away.

r404 most white people are clueless about divisions amongst Latinos. They're not a monolith. Far from it. They all hate each other. It's very similar to Europeans, although Europeans have gotten better about it.

“ They all hate each other”

Do they constantly use the FF to show their hate ? That’s real hate.

News Flash: Trump is full of shit.

[quote] Each and every time Trump cites 'Insurrectionists' there's only one huge mental and visual memory-source for everyone. It was Trump who revived the word and actuality of Insurrection in the most notorious way: on 'his own' Capitol Building no less.

You’d think that but it just isn’t so. Americans are behind him on this one. This is one issue where Democrats can simply not win.

[quote] Trump and Biden were able to deport thousands more without all this in-your-face violence and ripping families apart. Trump is doing this so cruelly because he wants to make a big show of it.

And that’s why he wins. He looks like the first president actually delivering. Trump knows about putting on a show, no matter how gross to the rest of us.

“ no matter how gross it is to a minority of US voters”

Accuracy counts

[quote] What migrants are getting free housing?

Um.

This was another blunder. Adams is all about sucking Trump’s dick.

[quote] Latinos don't see themselves as one united bloc.

They're not. Someone once said of Latin countries as islands in the stream that never connect.

[Quote] most white people are clueless about divisions amongst Latinos. They're not a monolith. Far from it. They all hate each other. It's very similar to Europeans, although Europeans have gotten better about it.

[Quote] “ They all hate each other”

You don't have to live in one of New York City's housing authority projects to know about rivalry among Latino gangs. It makes West Side Story seem downright quaint.

Trump HIT with NIGHTMARE SCENARIO in CA Lawsuit

We’re just rearranging deck chairs-

No Protests-no matter how peaceful in DC during Dear Leaders parade.

No knights in shining armor coming to save democracy. Not even Elon.

The truth about free benefits in the real world is that they are bottom of the barrel services. Waits can be weeks or months, only a hand full will take the Government funded benefits because the pay for services to hospitals and doctors is low, many things get denied because they are not covered. It's nothing like having full on health insurance at a typical white collar job like a PPO or HMO.

The more accurate description for immigrants getting these type of benefits should be called Emergency Services. Because that's basically what it is.

Just accept we are North Korea Russia. Those people survive -somehow. Trump has it and us all sewn up-an easy no shots fired authoritarian take over-we should just lay on our backs enjoy it and be glad we were born here-for now anyway.

Oh you should be pussywhipped.

Yes.Trump looking for escalation to go full martial law. No elections-Just like Ukraine it must be ok.

I never realized before that Ivanka wore a smart beret to the inauguration.

"NYC offering migrant families up to $4K in grants to find their own housing"

Why would you live in NYC if you're a migrant? You can't afford it. Go to Fargo or Boise.

This is what The American People wanted and Trump is delivering. The American People are ignorant trash but that’s beside the point.

Pelosi on CSPAN..

[quote]Why would you live in NYC if you're a migrant?

Because maybe they need cheap labor? Not a lot of jobs in Boise Idaho. Do you really think Carrie Bradshaw types are really going to apply for a job to work in the back of a deli?

[Quote] most white people are clueless about divisions amongst Latinos. They're not a monolith. Far from it. They all hate each other. It's very similar to Europeans, although Europeans have gotten better about it.

And white people are not a monolith either R496 They come from different cultures and countries that do not share a common language. White people migrated from Ireland, Poland, Ukraine, Germany, France, Sweden . . . Generalize much?

It's not that Latinos are all one big block, united in all things and all ideas. It's that all immigrants have a common interest in not being deported at the whim of a crazy racist president. That may be the only thing that unites them, but it's a pretty big thing.

R428, I know someone in NYC who runs a food bank and shelter. They serve a lot of U.S. citizens but those people are hard to help because almost all of them have substance abuse or mental health issues. The wave of Venezuelan migrants that arrived last year were a different story. Most of them got jobs within a week or so of arriving. It was all under the table of course. Wealthy cities like NYC require armies of people to function.

[Quote] It's not that Latinos are all one big block, united in all things and all ideas. It's that all immigrants have a common interest in not being deported at the whim of a crazy racist president. That may be the only thing that unites them, but it's a pretty big thing.

And does that do not apply to immigrants from Algiers, India, Poland, Ukraine, Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Portugal, China, Japan, Russia, Italy, Ghana, Turkey, Egypt, Brazil . . .R430

Clearly, the Cult is focusing on Latinos first. Yes, of course they will ultimately get around to all non-whites, or as many as possible, but for now, of course the focus of the Cult will be on Latinos first and foremost r432.

[quote]And white people are not a monolith either [R496] They come from different cultures and countries that do not share a common language. White people migrated from Ireland, Poland, Ukraine, Germany, France, Sweden . . . Generalize much?

Well no shit Sherlock. Everybody knows the differences amongst whites. What was said is that many whites are clueless about the divisions amongst Latinos.

ICE is the new NAZI. 6 Blue cites being taken over.

yes, and those divisions are completely irrelevant to the question of whether Trump gets to deport, or rendition, people on a whim or not r434.

[Quote] What was said is that many whites are clueless about the divisions amongst Latinos.

R434 Actually, what was said @ R406 Sherlock is "most' whites and btw how would you quantify either statement

[Quote] most white people are clueless about divisions amongst Latinos.

r437 you're splitting hairs and are really clueless about most whites. They don't see that Latinos are all different and don't get along with each other. I don't know what you're trying to prove but this is just a fact.

Don't even get the Puerto Ricans I know started about Dominicans, and vice versa. I just stay out of it.

And whiteCubans are practically Nazis when it comes to other Latinos.

R436 Might it also have something to do with the fact that the southern border is the place where most illegals have crossed and probably live in sanctuary cities.

'Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico'.

'Six out of 10 Americans rate immigration as “very important” in determining how they will vote, according to the Pew Research Center. Other polling suggests voters trust Trump to handle the issue more effectively than Harris.'

[Quote] you're splitting hairs and are really clueless about most whites. They don't see that Latinos are all different and don't get along with each other. I don't know what you're trying to prove but this is just a fact.

Obviously, R438 you don't have any facts other than the ones you pulled from your ass. If you did have the facts, you would be able to present them without the use of a colonoscope

r441 your ridiculous attacks are so precious. You clearly aren't familiar with Latinos of various backgrounds. This is common knowledge among people who have lived around and even worked with them.

Lots of clueless whites in their little bubbles thinking they know fucking everything when they really don't know much real world-based facts.

Sorry darling but I happened to live in Hudson County NJ. Hudson County New Jersey has a Hispanic population of 43.2% The county is the most diverse in New Jersey where the population is 29 per cent non-Hispanic white, 16 per cent Asian and 15 per cent black. I work with, interact with and have as neighbors and friends people who are Hispanic And by the way more than a few of them are Trump voters. It's you who appears to be in a bubble. As always, you're talking about something you know nothing about and can provide no solid evidence to back up the nonsense that you're spouting. Lie harder R442

And again, for the very, very slow, the question before us is not whether white people all, or mostly, have a deep knowledge of Latino communities, their highways and their byways, the many ways that individual ethnic groups interact with other individual ethnic groups, or any of that fuckery. The question before us is whether Donald J. Trump, cult leader and alleged president who isn't sure he actually needs to give a shit about the Constitution, has the right to use the armed forces to suppress all dissent wherever and whenever he finds it in this great land of ours.

r443 you're so wrong dear. It's common knowledge among people who know these things that Latinos don't get along with each other.

[quote]As always, you're talking about something you know nothing about and can provide no solid evidence to back up the nonsense that you're spouting.

Um, you've just provided anecdotal evidence.

[Quote] They don't see that Latinos are all different and don't get along with each other. I don't know what you're trying to prove but this is just a fact.

And you provided zero evidence to what you say is just a fact R446

Girls! Girls! You're both miserable, fetid cunts.

The migrants-hate issue is also not so much a racial but a cultural anger. Let’s face it, the large amounts of migrants that have poured through our southern borders are not mainly comprised of eg wealthy South Americans or Caribbeans. They’re low-wage and lower-class people including those seeking asylum both from retribution for crimes they committed/fled from, or decent hardworking people fleeing from violence or crime committed against them. And across races and ethnicities, these are people whose cultural norms differ often from what many anti-immigration Americans think of as “civilized,” “contributing to society,” or “hardworking.” Like it or not, the optics are not good and many Americans don’t want them overwhelming their cities and states anymore. (Except for those who want the migrants to be their menial jobs-performing slaves, perhaps.)

[bold] 100% of Illegal Immigrants in the United States have committed a federal crime. [/bold] It was just a matter of time until some idiot Republican decided to do something about it. Democrats need to step aside and stop jumping on this losing issue. This is California's mess. Ignore it.

there is no crime that is not celebrated by the Trump Cult. They love stealing, they love rape, they love murder, including murdering cops, they love anything that leads to more power and money for Trump and the cunts around him. Whatever is going on, it is absolutely NOT some cultural divide between the very few migrant criminals and the criminal regime in the White House.

What there is instead is a horror that there are not enough white people in the country and too many brown people. That is the trauma at the heart of all of this. Nobody can give a flying fuck about crime or integrity and vote for Donald J. Trump.

R360 the presence of the National Gaurd didn’t inspire that destruction. Those people were going to do that anyway.

[quote]They don't see that Latinos are all different and don't get along with each other. I don't know what you're trying to prove but this is just a fact.

True.

"We are SUING you!! Take THAT!!!"--------------->>California.

[bold] BREAKING.-----MSNBC------->> "Governor Newsom delivers MAJOR ADDRESS!!".........[/bold]..........Sounds lame....I mean, super scary!!!

[quote] 100% of Illegal Immigrants in the United States have committed a federal crime.

Not true 450

A car drove thru a crowd of protesters in Chicago?? Did anyone else catch that?

I’ve been getting fire alerts on my phone the past few days. There was just a big fire put out in Burbank.. will magas try to burn LA down while monopolizing the resource?

[quote]100% of Illegal Immigrants in the United States have committed a federal crime.

True. Entering the country illegally is indeed a federal crime.

[bold] Is Drudge in love? [/bold] He worked so hard to get Trumpty elected in 2016. Now he seems to have his 2028 candidate picked out!! No thank you, Matt. You've done enough damage to Democrats. Sorry you have Trump Remorse but that's a YOU problem.

R449, I can only shake my head. If Americans were so civilized and hard-working we'd hardly be in this mess, would we?

R457 Chicagoan here. Do you have any more info?

Nevermind, found footage. Luckily no one was hurt, but you can see this maniac speed up and drive right through the march. There were thousands of people in that street.

Overstaying a visa is not illegal entry. Claiming asylum is not illegal.

It’s really not worth discussing this. It is a complicated issue, but then the idiot brigade comes in and spouts their ignorance. They refuse to learn the actual facts because at core, this is about resentment.

See what R464 does? Moves the goal posts with "Overstaying a visa is not illegal entry. Claiming asylum is not illegal."

The FACT is the following: entering the United States illegally is a federal crime under 8 U.S.C. § 1325.

And the FACT is also that no member of the Trump Cult truly believes in crime and punishment and law and order. Every member of the Trump Cult has the same underlying belief: all is permitted if it is in service of the cult. All is forbidden if it is opposed to the cult. That is the law and the prophets for every Trump Cult member.

Trump's attempt to use the armed forces to suppress all dissent anywhere and everywhere will be entirely saluted by his cult members, no question about it.

In FACT, r465. you are the one moving the goalposts. At r450, the goalposts were even bolded for emphasis: “100% of illegal immigrants have committed a federal crime.” Asylum seekers and people who overstay their visa prove that to be wrong, as neither is a federal crime. Face it, this is more complicated than your understanding allows.

R462, it was on CNN..They haven't talked about it in awhile, and from the footage they eventually showed, it didn't look like anyone was seriously injured, but I'm not positive of that.

If Romanians invaded UTAH and demand WE let them stay, wouldn't we send them home? Same concept. Except Mexicans thinks they own the southern U.S. (and that we stole it from them 150 years ago) so they are entitled to be here if they want. Enough. Go fix your own hellhole country.

June 10th.

Harry Enten with latest polling from CNN.

"“Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign-born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in 2024 and 2025 versus where they were in 2020,” said Enten."

"When asked which party are you closest to or trust more on immigration, Enten said, Democrats had a 32-point lead on this issue in 2020, and “immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp.”"

"But when you “jump forward to 2024, 2025 — look at that shift,” he continued. “A 40-point shift to the right among immigrant voters! Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group that I could find.”"

[quote] If Romanians invaded UTAH and demand WE let them stay, wouldn't we send them home? Same concept.

lol, lmao even.

Found this, R462

Why are all these Mexican Americans in a huge part of the country that used to be Mexico? Tis a mystery!

And now there's all these Mormons in Utah? What the hell? Where did they all come from? Tis another mystery!

Video. Stealing. "No Speeky Inglish".

For the idiot at R467:

A person overstaying their VISA means that they entered the country LEGALLY. They have a VISA. which allows them to enter legally. Overstaying that VISA becomes a civil violation. Overstaying a VISA is NOT entering the country illegally.

Asylum. Yes, you can claim asylum if you entered the country illegally, but that does not negate the fact that entering the country illegally is a federal crime.

True, but of course he doesn't care r475. He just wants to know that Trump was chosen by God Himself to restore the white man's dominion over this godly republic/plantation and to get all them thar brown furriners outta here!

Oh, please. R475. I get paid for this. And r476? You seem to have the wires crossed.

A person can claim asylum at a port of entry, or can cross the border and turn themselves in. Both are undocumented, or if you are a Republican, illegal.

[bold] PLOT TWIST for Illegal Immigrants------>>> You can apply for asylum from Venezuela!! It's true!! [/bold]You don't have to throw rocks at Americans cars!! You don't have to set cars of fire!! You don't have to block the 101!! Now head on back and send us a postcard when you get home!! Bye, girl!!

[quote]A person can claim asylum at a port of entry, or can cross the border and turn themselves in. Both are undocumented, or if you are a Republican, illegal.

LOL. Doll, entering the country at a port of entry = entering the LEGALLY. Crossing at anything other, is classified as ILLEGAL entry.

MAGALounge

Just to swing this back to protests against ICE in LA, the latest tally of Australian journalist injuries:

2 journalists hit by “non-lethal” weapons

1 camera operator shot in the chest by a “non-lethal weapon”

1 journalist hit by tear gas

Pretty good tally for two days guys!

And before one of you feels the need to ask what they as foreigners were doing there (some fool tried on Threads and was immediately shut down) - they are reporting the news, which is their job, no matter where.

[Quote] A car drove thru a crowd of protesters in Chicago??

It was bound to happen R547 it's a case of road rage it happened several times in Seattle during the summer of love

[quote] The truth about free benefits in the real world is that they are bottom of the barrel services. Waits can be weeks or months, only a hand full will take the Government funded benefits because the pay for services to hospitals and doctors is low, many things get denied because they are not covered. It's nothing like having full on health insurance at a typical white collar job like a PPO or HMO.

And what happens when an illegal gets in a car accident and needs multiple surgeries?

Because Republicans all over passed laws making it LEGAL to drive through protests if you felt intimidated or inconvenienced. Psychos

R483 And what happens when an illegal hits you with their car and you need multiple surgeries? IT happened to me in New York City in 2005 as a pedestrian. In this case after 8 months, it was determined that he had gone back to Pakistan. Fortunately, my insurance company wound up paying for 4 surgeries but the person driving the car didn't have insurance and I got no compensation for missing 6 months of work.

R460, Drudge has been anti-Trump for years like Ann Coulter. Wake up.

[Quote] they are reporting the news, which is their job, no matter where.

And the LAPD and ICE who were injured were doing their jobs as well

F487 get back to me with the details of the Australian journalists who have fired on LAPD and ICE personnel.

Especially Lauren Tomassi, shot in the leg from behind with no warning from a distance of five metres while filming in LA - not caught in the crossfire, not collateral damage, but deliberately targeted by the officer as you can see in the attached video.

Yep - some real alphas you got there.

No need to get back to you R488 they were in a dangerous area in a chaotic scene. They chose to be there

Shit happens

Shooting at journalists = fascism

Poor OP. Usually these type of inflammatory threads reach Part II and Part III by now.

This one is still struggling along..

[bold] HILARIOUS!! ICE updated their website! and added a self-deportation page! [/bold]

[bold] What is Self-Deportation? [/bold] Self-deportation is the act of leaving the U.S. on your own initiative when you’re illegally present.

[bold] Who’s Illegally Present in the U.S.? [/bold] If you’re in the U.S. for any period of time — [bold] an hour, a month or 50 years [/bold]— without being admitted or paroled, or for any length of time after your authorized period of stay expires, you’re illegally present.

R455, where in LA are you typing from?

R455, I'm just curious, sweetie-pie.

R485,you sound like an absolute cunt and like this was most likely Pakistani karma heading directly your way!

I'm glad your back was broken. Twat.

R485 = I am so sorry you had to go thru that.

R497 = I am sorry you had to borne the son of a whore.

R498 = My mother actually WAS a whore. So the jokes on you!! You type MANLESS. And staying that way.

Is it part of their job to fire on the press from behind with no warning R487? Interesting if you think so.

R499, good for your whore mother!

Too bad her son was an obnoxious little cunt.

Right, R489 - so you don’t have an informed response, then? Just as I figured.

Hey R455, I'm still curious what part of LA you're from!

Why you so quiet all of a sudden?

R503 = I was actually going to answer you but then you called me "sweetie pie" which is a common term TRANZ use. No thank you. Go back to your lipstick, dress, and penis.

R504, you're right, you motherfucking cunt. Picture a man in a babydoll dress kicking your fucking ass because that is what you deserve.

[bold] You can always tell a sad DataLounger when they post DEMANDS that you respond to them. [/bold] A lot of them here tonight. They're manless. They can't afford Chatter-Batez sites. So begging for attention here is their only hope for a mans attention. They will go up 3 hours and 125 responses ago hoping you're reply will appear!! LOL.

CNN LIVE. They are filming and reporting from the empty streets (because of the curfew). So riveting.

R507, cum again?

R508 try again?

R509, what was that?

R10 hello?

Hey R506!

I know R480! It sounds like Fox News in here. It's disgusting.

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I don't see any Hollywood representatives on the 101. Are they all off in different countries filming?

They're afraid they'll probably get assaulted.

Let me know when thy star coming for the gays.

[quote] I don't see any Hollywood representatives on the 101. Are they all off in different countries filming?

This isn't our fight.

It's still amazing to me how authoritarian Americans. Sucking at the diapered dick of President Nellie Olson

I can't wait for the protests this weekend. I hope they drown out Trump's useless, wasteful birthday spectacle.

R496 Bless your heart I'm so glad you're concerned about fellow Americans so I'm glad this will make you very happy

Undocumented immigrants can file a lawsuit for compensation if they are injured by a negligent party in New York City. This applies to undocumented people injured at work by a negligent manufacturer and those hurt in car accidents. Undocumented immigrants are not restricted in other areas of personal injury, including premises liability, medical malpractice, and product liability. After an accident, victims should report their injuries, seek medical attention, and file a lawsuit. The same type of compensation is available to undocumented immigrants as citizens, meaning victims can recover economic, non-economic, and sometimes punitive damages regardless of their immigration status.

"It's still amazing to me how authoritarian Americans."

As has been pointed out previously, those same authoritarian Americans have absolutely no problem going out and committing crimes on the own, calling themselves real patriots while they commit their crimes, then expecting, no demanding, they be pardoned for said crimes. See: 1/6/21.

Faux patriotism, faux Christianity, the hallmarks of "real Americans."

We can't import the entire fucking third world, ok? We're really sick of it. They've turned huge swaths of Southern California into absolute, total shit.

R502 I did respond. It just wasn't the response you wanted. Certainly, she knew she was in the midst of a chaotic situation and rubber bullets were being fired all around, She was certainly not the only person who was hit at the scene, and do you know for certain that she was deliberately targeted?

Authoritarianism would be arresting people for political or politically incorrect views they post on social media.

Authoritarianism is when you base your whole political platform on states' rights and have a history of rigorously enforcing that policy, but when you don't like what the individual states are doing, you send in the National Guard and the US Marines, to show your lame ass, moronic supporters what a tough guy you are.

The media is making out like LA is on fire while people posting online from LA are saying on Reddit that everything is fairly normal except for a 2-3 block radius. Any Angelenos seeing anything?

Angelino here. The disaster the media is making out of it is bullshit. The worst of it was Sunday with the freeway closure and some Waymos being set on fire, but the LAPD tactical unit handled all of it before Trump even made the decision to send the National guard and Marines out. Protesters were pretty much moved away from federal buildings and a curfew was set last night. I lived here during the LA Riots and this was nothing like that. For many of us here it's laughable that Trump would send troops out for this. So stupid.

Trump constantly blames California for the influx of illegal immigrants, but what about Texas and Florida? Why are they never mentioned in any of this?

I haven’t seen anything locally, however apparently there were checkpoints near my work yesterday which is kinda mad. Idk how I would react if I was stopped for identification. LA is obviously huge, so something happening downtown or in a particularly neighbourhood doesn’t really register for most people, saying that nobody wants this. There is a bad energy, and so many helicopters which I hate.

Considering the precedents of The Whiskey Rebellion, is there anything unprecedented happening?

[quote] Throughout western Pennsylvania counties, protesters used violence and intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a US marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector John Neville. Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. Washington himself rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency, with 13,000 militiamen

[quote] The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the will and ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws

I was working yesterday at LA at the Bonaventure Hotel and at LA Studios Center, which is at 6th and Bixel. There were 4-5 times of intense sirens and cop cars rushing past, the last being preceded by a big boom, and in addition to cop cars, there were fire trucks and helicopters. At around 7:30 pm, we got a notice from production that there was going to be a curfew at 8. Got wrapped at 9pm, didn't have any problems going home.

Please tell me you're working on a It's A Living reboot

Alas, no. Sugar Season 2.

[bold]"This is terrorism"-----Rep Kaplager-Dove (describing ICE)..[/bold] She has no understanding of the other 49 states...She is one of those Ultra Liberal LGB-TEEE-TEEE-TEEE-TEEE supporters. She also supports MEN participating in womens sports. No thank you.

“She has condemned extremist attacks on the LGBTQ+ community”

Wow yea R539 she sounds terrible. Whereas you sound normal.

R540 = She loves the TEEE. Keep reading, buttercup. She wants the "Tranz Day of Visibility to be a NATIONAL HOLIDAY. She wants WILLIAM to take home WOMENS swimming medals. Like I said, she doesn't know, or doesn't give a damn about anyone outside of California. And putting her on CNN doesn't help immigrants.

R541 she’s a US rep for California, obviously she has a special interest in it. Are you ok?

[quote] She wants the "Tranz Day of Visibility to be a NATIONAL HOLIDAY

Does she actually or are you just saying things?

The point is that she is another Democrat who coddles LOSING political issues. We lose on immigration. We lose on tranz. If we want to win the White House again we need to start ignoring these losing issues and the elected idiots in California.

R543 so you did make it up. And you think *you* know how to win elections. That’s funny.

What the Democrats really need to do is dump fake-asses like R543 who keep wanting to link trans and immigration.

Why are you such a fucking authority on these two disparate issues, R543. What or who gives you the authority to speak on behalf of the Democrats and "what we need to do to win."

Call me when Trump, DeSantis and Greg Abbott get rid of all the illegal immigrants in their or their families' employ.

R544 She also said in November (after Trump was elected), that he wouldn't strip rights from tranz when he got back into the White House.. She's a fountain of WRONG information.

R546 and you’re a fountain of correct information? You sound nuts.

R547 = You sound MANLESS. You're sitting in this thread for HOURS. Just praying for someone to come along and engage with you. LoL

R548 oh girl. Put the pipe down, meth is not your friend.

R444 it has nothing to do with being slow. Are you new here? This is DL. Many threads stray from the original topic.

So what exactly are the winning issues that "we" should be focusing on r543? What are your actual, real world objections to the Trump Regime? Anything specific?

Maybe we should all go on Rogan and lick an orange hole?

[quote]Please tell me you're working on a It's A Living reboot

Ann Jilian is irreplaceable.

The White House, aka Stephen Miller, has imposed inspection quotas on various ICE offices. The quotas require the offices to increase the number of businesses they audit for the presence of undocumented workers. What’s wrong with that? Once a business gets an ICE audit notice, no employees will show up for work. Although the article does not mention it, ICE’s reputation for the warrantless arrests of legal residents and even U.S. citizens means that no one can rely on their legal status to protect them. You don’t want to be around an ICE raid no matter who you are.

[quote]Ann Jillian is irreplaceable.

As is Barrie Youngfellow, who is no longer with us.

[quote] But during the first 100 days of the Trump administration, agents arrested about 1,270 undocumented immigrants on worksites and proposed nearly $1 million in fines on businesses that employ them, according to its website.

So this is what I wonder about here. Is that $1 million in "proposed fines" spread across multiple businesses a real deterrent or just the cost of doing business. Does anybody propose arresting any employers, who presumably are also committing crimes, or only the workers still. Would be great to have hearings on all this with DHS and ICE, where Democrats are allowed to ask about things like this.

And then there's

[quote] The director of policy at the California Farm Bureau, Bryan Little, who is regularly in touch with farmers throughout the state, said he had not heard of a single enforcement action targeting the state’s farmers since Trump retook the White House. But on Tuesday, word spread of raids on some farms in Southern California.

Hmmm, ONLY in California. Hmmm.

[Quote] Trump constantly blames California for the influx of illegal immigrants, but what about Texas and Florida? Why are they never mentioned in any of this?

R532 Probably because California is widely considered a sanctuary state because of its "California Values Act," Senate Bill 54, which limits the cooperation of local law enforcement with federal immigration authorities. Although California is a sanctuary state, this is a state law, and because the ICE raids are a federal order, federal law does overrule state laws. I'm not aware that Florida or Texas has any sanctuary cities

yup, r557, can't possibly have anything to do with the political situation in each of those states. nope, not for Trump, where the personal is the political and the political is absolutely always, deeply, relentlessly personal and full of stupid personal grievances. Absolutely.

Well, since California is the nation’s breadbasket, once there are fewer workers to pick crops, (and the tariffs kick in) food for MAGAts in poor states will become unaffordable.

Then the Big Beautiful Turd will cut services.

Malnutrition and illness will leave them lining up to see the few remaining sub-Medicaid doctors in their vast, new health deserts.

R558 take your meds and don't take everything as a personal affront. Get a good night's rest

Yeah, very convincing r560, totally. You aren't a whore for the cult at all. Just an honest citizen (of somewhere) with a few common sense questions. Got it.

You are deranged R561 and thanks for confirming that

R561

‘’Holy Mother Of Jefferson Davis’’

[quote] Ann Jillian is irreplaceable.

Martial law isn't like a bed of roses

It's not like show biz

But the main thing I s'pose is!

Is Ann part of the protest?

I think Trump & Co would relish the thought of having their own Kent State shooting incident. That would be a high-level badge of honor for the Trump administration.

[Quote] Well, since California is the nation’s breadbasket, once there are fewer workers to pick crops, (and the tariffs kick in) food for MAGAts in poor states will become unaffordable.

[Quote] Malnutrition and illness will leave them lining up to see the few remaining sub-Medicaid doctors in their vast, new health deserts.

Your dire prognosis says more about you R559 Iowa ,Nebraska Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Indiana, North Carolina and Wisconsin are along with California the top agricultural states in the US. Much of the food we eat is imported, shipped and packed in the United States. Sorry to disappoint you but no one is going to starve or suffer from malnutrition even if California were to sink into the ocean. California's top crops are fruit, tree nuts and berries which also come from Washington State while Texas, Colorado, Utah, Oregan lead in beef and most poulty and eggs come fron the east. and mlk comes from Pennsylvannia, NY, New Mexico, Idaho and Wisconsin.

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R259=California Dreamin

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Trump won San Bernardino county.

R574 Has Newsom declared a state of emergency?

[Quote] Well, since California is the nation’s breadbasket,

It sounds like California could become the nation's largest breadline

41% of California households ‘cost burdened’ — some making six figures now even qualify for low-income housing-Moneywise

[quote] California's top crops are fruit, tree nuts and berries which also come from Washington State while Texas, Colorado, Utah, Oregan lead in beef and most poulty and eggs come fron the east. and mlk comes from Pennsylvannia, NY, New Mexico, Idaho and Wisconsin.

But these farms are staffed with LOTS of illegals.

California is the only state with the right climate to grow winter crops of vegetables - lettuce, spinach, and the like. There is no way that imports could substitute.

kale, collards, mache, spinach, chard, arugula, and radicchio. Root crops: turnips, parsnips, garlic, beets, and carrots. Other cool-weather crops: peas, cauliflower, cabbage, lettuce, and other salad greens. Leafy greens: chard, kale, and spinach.

There is no state in the Midwest that can grow these sorts of crops in the winter, because there is too much cold weather. Some parts of the deep South could grow them, but the insect life and soil pests would damage them severely. I bought some cabbage grown in Texas this past late winter, and it was riddled with chew holes and other insect damage.

R543 is correct. Like it or not, the majority of Americans and people in Europe do not like or want unlimited immigration.

And if the American and European democrats and green parties do not start paying the attention to what voters want, they will be turning the governments over to MAGA type parties. That is a FACT

meluvinguy, Mexico dominates the supply of imported vegetables supplying peppers cucumbers, tomatoes, corn ,pinto beans, broccoli, cabbage, onions. lettuce celery, squash and fruits such as apples oranges grapes tangerine tomatoes grapefruit pears bananas lemons limes mangoes watermelons peaches nectarines pineapple strawberries and avocado

Mexico's warm climate makes it the perfect place to grow food year round and large amounts of available land is cultivated to grow large crops many different crops grown in Mexico are exported to the United States Canada and Japan exporting these different foods is excellent for Mexico's economy

r579. You do realize that most of this anti-immigrant fervor is being stoked by propaganda, right?

What would you want Democrats to do? To start echoing Republican talking points and the 24/7 message they're getting from FOX news that every immigrant is either a murder, a rapist, or a member of a violent drug gang? Europeans are getting similar propaganda from right wing politicians and channels in their countries

Sadly, there is no left-wing propaganda machine nearly as effective. Why? Because people love to find other groups on which to blame their unsatisfactory lives. The real parties to blame are the corporations and wealthy billionaires, but they are hard to identify in a crowd, vs, say, a brown person.

r580 Yes, Mexico is a great source of winter vegetables, but who exactly are we alienating right now? Food security does not mean that we should give up domestic production of food. Moreover, Mexico is suffering from the effects of climate change even more drastically than California. Longer droughts, less water for irrigation of crops. At a certain point, they could decide that they need to save their water to meet their own domestic needs rather than on food crops for other nations.

The Salinas Valley and the Imperial Valley (both in California) are still dominant players in winter vegetables.

To put it in perspective Meluvinguy California could sink into the ocean and the United States would still have plenty of vegetables and fruits from all over the world. Countries that supply the US with fruits and vegetables are Canada, Peru, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Chile with Mexico accounting for about 50% of total imports:

Meluvinguy Though California is number one In total fruit and vegetable production in the United States the top 10 includes Washington, Florida, Arizona, Georgia (those peaches!) Michigan. North Carolina New York and Texas Still plenty to go around with or without California

[Quote] California is the only state with the right climate to grow winter

That's simply not true Meluvinguy

Meluvinguy In the last 10 years with climate change California has been suffering from droughts which besides being needed to fight the increasing number of wildfires is impacting is being felt by farmers. Altogether the combined direct and indirect consequences of drought have cost about $2 billion a year in value added losses And also have resulted in thousands of jobs cut each year

R579 thinks that “Europe” is a country and yet presumes to speak for the 44 countries in the continent of Europe.

Fuck - some of you people are beyond help. No wonder that we laugh at you.

Few winter crops from the Midwest and food from all these other countries is being extra-taxed by Trump’s tariffs.

He’s counting on food buyers to pay additional taxes on what they eat to help cover the cost of extending the billionaire breaks in his Big Beautiful turd.

R588 I don't know whether or not R579 thinks that Europe is a country or not it doesn't specifically say so in the post. The poster is comparing Europe with America because they are both experiencing problams related to immigration

I’m staying in DTLA and some of the stores have been looted. Many stores are boarded up and closed till the situation is better. Also, we have a curfew.

[Quote] Few winter crops from the Midwest and food from all these other countries is being extra-taxed by Trump’s tariffs.

Make it make sense R589

[quote]Trump constantly blames California for the influx of illegal immigrants, but what about Texas and Florida? Why are they never mentioned in any of this?

It’s logical to crack the sanctuary cities and states as a priority, because when it’s time to remove illegal immigrants from red states like Texas and Florida, you don’t want them to be able to find refuge anywhere other than their home country or elsewhere outside the U.S.

Too bad for people in countries rapidly being rendered unlivable by global warming and destabilizing US interventions. Sucks to be them, and if they even think about trying to come here, I want to see them in cages.

Officials in sanctuary cities and states should be prosecuted by the feds for obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting criminals.

What? You fuck

Stupid fuck

R595 = Fox News garbage.

It would be hilarious if the Trump administration deported all the field workers so that there was nobody to pick the food and the Mexico refused to export fresh produce and other food items to the US! That's what Americans deserve.

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