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Pride Events Face Budget Shortfalls as US Corporations Pull Support

Many U.S. corporations this year stopped supporting Pride events that celebrate LGBTQ+ culture and rights, causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in budget shortfalls ahead of the summer festivities and raising questions about corporate America's commitment to the cause.

The moves come as President Donald Trump has shown antipathy for trans protections and has attempted to roll back some LGBTQ+ friendly federal policies. Experts also note that a growing slice of the public has grown tired of companies taking a stance on social and political issues.

San Francisco Pride, the nonprofit that produces one of the country's largest and best-known LGBTQ+ celebrations, is facing a $200,000 budget gap after corporate donors dropped out. In Kansas City, Missouri, KC Pride lost about $200,000 – roughly half its annual budget.

Heritage of Pride, the umbrella organization behind NYC Pride and other LGBTQ+ events in New York City, is fundraising to narrow a $750,000 budget gap after companies withdrew.

Meanwhile, Budweiser brewer Anheuser-Busch ended its sponsorship of PrideFest in St. Louis, Missouri, its home base, after 30 years, leaving organizers with a $150,000 budget shortfall.

In response, many Pride organizations have canceled some dance parties, reduced the number of stages, hired less pricey headliners, and no longer give volunteers free food or T-shirts.

But the core celebrations will go on. In San Francisco, this year's Pride theme is "Queer Joy is Resistance." In New York, it's "Rise Up: Pride in Protest," and, in Boston, it's "Here to Stay!"

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by Anonymousreply 97June 4, 2025 11:46 PM

Freaks 👹👾👺💀💩

by Anonymousreply 1June 1, 2025 5:09 AM

Pride has become too much about straight fraus virtue signaling on social media.

by Anonymousreply 2June 1, 2025 6:47 AM

Oh, pul-eeze -- that's the way it used to be. None of this "corporate sponsorship" bullshit. When it first started, all the advertising banners made me want to hurl. I didn't go to Pride events after that for a couple of years, but I resigned myself to it.

This is the first step -- getting back to our roots.

by Anonymousreply 3June 1, 2025 7:17 AM

Well, this 100% confirms it was always fake support and was only ever corporations trying to make more profit.

Which is what we said it was.

by Anonymousreply 4June 1, 2025 7:28 AM

No interest in most of these now that the focus is so much on the T, nonbinary, blah, blah, blah stuff. Fine if you want to do that, but it's just not for me as a gay man.

And yes, most big corporations will go whichever way they think will benefit their bottom line. Spending money on pride parades is not seen as worth it in 2025 America. Sad in some ways, but certainly something like sf pride should be able to continue without problems unless there are some people getting huge $$$ for organizing it...

by Anonymousreply 5June 1, 2025 7:47 AM

Totally agree that our fair weather corporate friends can piss off. However, let's keep an open heart for any local businesses or organizations that stand by us in this environment and support them throughout the year.

I'm curious as to how the media will cover pride celebrations this year. In my town, local TV has pretty much reported on pride the same way they would St. Patrick's Day or Oktoberfest for the past twenty years or so. I have a feeling that this year we'll go back to being "controversial" and having to hear the opposing viewpoint from local clergy and the usual fascist subjects. We'll see.

by Anonymousreply 6June 1, 2025 8:10 AM

Pride will be worse this year for all the people whining about it.

There's a Facebook group for a small town near me and it's having a pride event for the first time this year. As it's entirely privately funded, it's very scaled back - ie a small 'march' (effectively a walk for about half a mile), then to the pub for drinks after.

Yet the responses from people has been very negative. All the usual bullshit along the lines of: "Well, I know to stay away on that day!", "I've got no problem with gays but stop trying to promote it to kids", "umm where's straight pride???", then just slurs, etc. And this is from people using their real names and photos, even some business owners. Even a few years ago those same people would at least have the decency to keep quiet, whereas everyone seems to almost delight in being outwardly hostile these days. It's like they're all miserable so they want to make everyone else feel as shitty as they do.

by Anonymousreply 7June 1, 2025 9:10 AM

R7, they’re also the same people who go to church every Sunday pretending to be Christians.

by Anonymousreply 8June 1, 2025 11:57 AM

"Queer Joy." This is an oxymoron.

by Anonymousreply 9June 1, 2025 12:51 PM

Yes Christians all HATE gay people R8. Now they are emboldened by Trump and MAGA to say it out loud again. Let's just hope the violence doesn't start again.

by Anonymousreply 10June 1, 2025 1:01 PM

R7 or they could have gone the cowardly route and said those same things and not sign their name just make the comments anonymously.

by Anonymousreply 11June 1, 2025 1:13 PM

There was a guest on 'The Weekend' on Saturday morning, and he was discussing the corporate pull-back this year. He then mentioned there was a major hotel chain which is supporting PRIDE this year (I believe he specifically said in DC, but I may be wrong), but they didn't want their brand publicized at the events. I believe it was Johnathan Capehart who asked, 'Which hotel chain is it ?' and the guest responded, 'Marriott'.

by Anonymousreply 12June 1, 2025 3:54 PM

[quote]Pride Events Face Budget Shortfalls as US Corporations Pull Support

Oh my, why would this be?! [bold]T[/bold]hats [bold]R[/bold]eally [bold]A[/bold] [bold]N[/bold]asty [bold]S[/bold]ituation!

by Anonymousreply 13June 1, 2025 4:38 PM

“Rainbow capitalism.”

Anyone who actually believed a corporation actually gives a damn about anything beyond advertising their own brand to make yet more money still has some learning to do about how the world actually works.

The pandering by corporate America to Pride Month can only be seen as the cynical attempt to spread corporate brand awareness. As if they actually care about anything beyond their next quarterly earnings report.

It is refreshing to see that a lot of people understood this right along with me.

One of the most parasitic corporate law firms in my city stamps a pride flag on their website every June. As if that’s going to redeem them from being full-time whores for parasitic corporate defendants.

by Anonymousreply 14June 1, 2025 4:41 PM

Time to get the bricks out again!

by Anonymousreply 15June 1, 2025 4:47 PM

Did we really need these singers and 'talent'? Sure I like to see some performers from the 70s/80s/90s - but it feels like the same ones over and over again.

Just get a DJ and some TALENTED drag queen MCs.

Put on a costume contest with multiple categories - that's entertaining as hell and not much cost. The gays give the best Halloween parades - everyone knows that.

Time to pivot. I'm tired of seeing go-go boys on Bud Light floats, floats for big banks, disco balls, and the same stuff for the past 40 years. We're supposed to be a creative community - let's act like it.

by Anonymousreply 16June 1, 2025 4:50 PM

I actually think a back to basics kind of movement would be good for everyone involved.

by Anonymousreply 17June 1, 2025 4:58 PM

Serious question - what do people look forward to at Pride events anymore?

I know what I loved about it years ago - feeling safe for 1 day out of the year, seeing the diversity of our community and the different jobs we have, a sense of coming together and solidarity in face of oppression and HIV.

Now? An overly crowded outdoor street festival that resembles ANY block festival in any city during the summer - with about a third straight people just there to party outside like any other weekend. And a lot of B and C grade unknown drag queens vying for everyone's attention and eyes.

by Anonymousreply 18June 1, 2025 5:12 PM

When backing Pride was seen as good for business they backed Pride. They are a for profit company not a do good for the whole world company. But I do wonder if these companies are ahead of the cure on this pulling back from Pride or not,

The times they could be a changing,

by Anonymousreply 19June 1, 2025 5:13 PM

No R16, “We’re” not supposed to be anything but who we are. You sound like one of our covert lurking fraus. “WE” just want to be us, with no labels or stereotypes or branding. Pride Parades had their purpose and time, but they’ve been taken over by the new mob of pretenders and faux marginalized. Thus, many of these events that are now void of lesbians and gay men, or at least experienced and sane ones, are parading identity crises down the boulevards of major cities and not the representative cross sections of the LGB+ population as they used to. There is little to protest against and for and most of us are mature enough to realize that. But that hasn’t stopped the hoards of fringe purple haired trans incels and breastless young dykes in the midst of identity crises from hijacking these once celebrated events and turning them into bizarre, weird politically themed performance ‘art’ .

by Anonymousreply 20June 1, 2025 5:24 PM

[quote]Yes Christians all HATE gay people [R8].

You know who hates gays even more and actively want us dead?

Muslims!

And yet liberals are always defending Islam, which is ultra-conservative.

How do you reconcile that logic?

by Anonymousreply 21June 1, 2025 5:37 PM

So we should stop supporting those corporations.

by Anonymousreply 22June 1, 2025 5:41 PM

Hell, I went to Pride events to pick up women.

Didn't work that well, though.

by Anonymousreply 23June 1, 2025 5:50 PM

I'm curious as to why Marriott would pump all this funding into a much publicized event and NOT want their branding attached to it. Why even bother with the funding if you're a corporation who thrives on exposure ?

by Anonymousreply 24June 1, 2025 6:17 PM

R21 Excellent post. And let's add in Scientology and Orthodox Judaism, as well. Yet no one mentions Scientology, Orthodox Jews or Muslims when this subject is brought up, probably because Christians are an easier/passive target.

by Anonymousreply 25June 1, 2025 6:25 PM

This ultimately means less money for the salaries and bonuses of the Pride organizers.

by Anonymousreply 26June 1, 2025 6:27 PM

"As if they actually care about anything beyond their next quarterly earnings report"...

umm, isn't that what corporations are supposed to do?🙄

by Anonymousreply 27June 1, 2025 6:34 PM

R27 no shit you dumb pedant. This was exactly why I pointed it out for anyone surprised when sponsorship budgets change at the whims of culture wars.

by Anonymousreply 28June 1, 2025 6:42 PM

Back in the early 00s when Pride events became a regional thing in the UK, rather than just the huge cities, Pride was a family friendly event in a huge field. There were some old pop stars and a couple of drag queens and activists and some fairground rides and food stalls etc.

It gradually got bigger and bigger and one year moved in to a sports stadium where everyone was charged to get in. Now it incorporates a parade through the city and organisations are charged HUGE amounts to participate. Public sector organisations have to declare how much they are paying and one org paid thousands just to have a group of people walk through the city. Ridiculous.

For Brighton Pride this year you can pay £100 to see Mariah Carey live, or £300 to see Mariah Carey, the Sugababes AND have VIP access to all areas. Truly a commercial endeavor.

by Anonymousreply 29June 1, 2025 6:49 PM

R29 - Mariah Carey is playing Pride events now? That's a step down. I hope she lip syncs cuz she ain't hitting those high notes anymore.

I think a lot of Pride weekends have become this cash grab and making it feel like a quasi-music festival (but not a good one).

At the end of the day - no one is going to die. We will still have Pride events but maybe it will be a lot more organic.

by Anonymousreply 30June 1, 2025 6:57 PM

Fuck NYC Pride. "Heritage of Pride" still bans the Lesbian and Gay police group from participating in the parade.

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by Anonymousreply 31June 1, 2025 7:04 PM

Oh, excuse me...."Heritage of Pride said they are banning all correction and law enforcement exhibitors at NYC Pride events until 2025, when their participation will be reviewed further."

The Gay Officers Action League should tell them to eat shit.

by Anonymousreply 32June 1, 2025 7:35 PM

In my area, for years, Gay Pride weekend was always held the first full weekend in June. Unfortunately it clashed with some high school graduations throughout the state which had booked a lot of outdoor venues way in advance, so the Pride events were small and mostly ignored. So then they moved it to the third weekend in June permanently, which clashes with Father's Day and hundreds of other 'big family events' to kick off summer ('lobster boils' and 'burgers and beer events' are plentiful). These other events are huge moneymakers for the venues (and corporate sponsors) so once again, GP takes a back seat. They try to merge with the other events each year, but it doesn't work out so well.

by Anonymousreply 33June 1, 2025 7:55 PM

The insistence on bringing other issues into gay pride is obnoxious. Doesn't need nonbinary autistic stuff. Doesn't need Palestine vs. Israel. Doesn't need BLM, so let the gay cop group in (I assume that's why it's excluded). It doesn't need to be some big spectacle either, so if corporations decide to stay way, it will survive. Like any good event, there has to be people who organize it, but it's turned into a very lucrative position for some people. Doesn't need to be that way. Keep it tight and gay.

by Anonymousreply 34June 1, 2025 8:01 PM

[quote]The insistence on bringing other issues into gay pride is obnoxious. Doesn't need nonbinary autistic stuff. Doesn't need Palestine vs. Israel. Doesn't need BLM...

Agreed. But it DOES need Patti Lupone, Kecia Lewis and Audra MacDonald to continue the public feud!

Bitches, grab your megaphones and jump on a float - and let the parade begin !

by Anonymousreply 35June 1, 2025 8:04 PM

The TRANS ruin everything.

by Anonymousreply 36June 1, 2025 8:07 PM

We will [bold]NOT[/bold] be ignored!!

by Anonymousreply 37June 1, 2025 8:10 PM

My local Pride has the most amazing drag queens performing.

Dixie Normous, Cornie Orff, Baroness Mary Golds, Gigi Spott, Etta Buffet, Jolene Dover, Ruby Slippers and Nicki Knockers all have the most hilarious names, I can't imagine how hilarious their drag routines are going to be

by Anonymousreply 38June 1, 2025 8:16 PM

I'd like to see the parade turn into a competition. I really don't need to see the Reseda Gay Librarian group walk past every year.

Select categories then allow 3-5 entries, selected out of a hat. Then that group has 6 months to put together their float, music, whatever on a specific budget.

The next year, those from the previous year are not allowed to participate.

I want to see effort - I want to see a show. We could change how people see and experience parades. We need to change things up a bit. Put a little excitement into it - not have every little stupid book group or suburban gay dad group walking along.

What am I clapping for? That you're a librarian or fathered a kid? We all got jobs and families - now get off the parade route and watch it like the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 39June 1, 2025 8:24 PM

[quote] There's a Facebook group for a small town near me and it's having a pride event for the first time this year. As it's entirely privately funded, it's very scaled back - ie a small 'march' (effectively a walk for about half a mile), then to the pub for drinks after.

This sounds like one of the very few pride events worth having this year.

If the San Francisco LGBTQ+++ and a side of fries community wants to heave itself a huge street fair, great, but ultimately completely meaningless. Yes, surprise, surprise, San Francisco welcomes every color of the rainbow and every dumb bitch with a nosering, big fucking deal, but have a party if you feel like it, and the huge orgy afterwards. Don't give a shit.

But I am glad that little town is having that. And honestly, no amount of "corporate sponsorship" would make the slightest difference to the assholes who hate us. So good for them for going ahead anyway, telling their fucked up bible blathering neighbors to fuck off with their shit and nonsense, and refuse to worry about whether some corporation "stands with us," cause, please fuck off with that nonsense also.

by Anonymousreply 40June 1, 2025 8:33 PM

R40 - you mean people like this? Straight woman who claims to be asexual who led the London Pride parade?

WHY is she leading a gay parade? Seriously - this bullshit has got to stop.

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by Anonymousreply 41June 1, 2025 8:46 PM

I'm a Patriots fan now.

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by Anonymousreply 42June 1, 2025 8:48 PM

Agree r41. On top of everything else she seems like a complete fraud, the "asexual" slut DTF, probably right after the parade, if not during.

by Anonymousreply 43June 1, 2025 8:50 PM

The alignment with Trans, Non-Binary and Queer have cost the LGB community more than justfinancially.

These corporate sponsors aren't stupid, they look at who is purchasing their products and goods. And more importantly who has money to spend. The fringe that has been folded in the broader Pride going demographics.

Companies have marketing teams, they know who purchases their products and more importantly who has the financial capacity to make a purchase.

The TQIA+ demographics live on the fringes of society . This demographic is not your professionals, mid-level managers, property owners and people in a state of solvency with money for discretionary spending. Dig a Little deeper into some of these tick tock influencers and you will find that out.

The gay community has lost its way, pride has lost its way.

by Anonymousreply 44June 1, 2025 8:53 PM

Major League Baseball showing their support.

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by Anonymousreply 45June 1, 2025 8:56 PM
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by Anonymousreply 46June 1, 2025 8:57 PM

r42 Not with that dumb flag. Bring back the original pride flag.

by Anonymousreply 47June 1, 2025 9:03 PM

R43 - that's what I was thinking. She sure dresses very sexually for someone who doesn't fuck.

Seriously though - why am I applauding someone with a broken libido? And why would she lead a damn parade?

And yes - I think she still gets down, maybe not full intercourse. Of course they have ways around that - look it up. Some asexual people have sex - I'm not making this up.

Why is it brave to not fuck?

Instead I think it would be fun to have a Trying to Break a Dry Spell parade for people who are DTF. But make it a separate event for Christ's sake.

by Anonymousreply 48June 1, 2025 9:05 PM

I identify as a pansexual aromantic.

by Anonymousreply 49June 1, 2025 9:10 PM

An asexual is leading London pride? JFC. Come on. She's dressed like a slut, which is fine, but it's almost like she's making a mockery of everything. Even if she's serious about the asexual thing (which I kind of doubt), she has no idea what actual discrimination based on sexual orientation is like. At worst, she will get a few rude comments thrown her way by those who doubt her sincerity. But "asexual" fits right in with the lifestyle the haters think all gays and lesbians should lead to satisfy Jesus, Allah, etc. They're thrilled she's not out there Sodom and Gomorrah-ing. They want us to all be that way. FFS.

by Anonymousreply 50June 1, 2025 9:26 PM

R50 - what discrimination do asexuals receive? None - not having kids doesn't count - that's everyone. But wait - it gets better.

"In 2022, Benoit was nominated for a British LGBT Award in the category of Online Influencer." That's right - LGBT - she's none of those letters.

Oh and supposedly she's a lingerie model as well - whatever the fuck that is.

So let me overly sexualize myself then create a mystique because I'm not sexual (supposedly). But so many young people will believe ANYTHING and support someone because they say they need it.

by Anonymousreply 51June 1, 2025 9:54 PM

This is why corporate America hates us now.

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by Anonymousreply 52June 2, 2025 2:03 AM

Because Ultra Orthodox Jews are a fucking miniscule population who are entirely insular and don't proselytize, don't try to convert people, and don't try to influence laws or shape the US government. It would be like complaining about homophobia among the Amish. Like, yeah, but...meh?

by Anonymousreply 53June 2, 2025 2:14 AM

ruined when it became a lifestyle space for straight women calling themselves queer.

Once “non-binary” and “fluid” identities became trendy, straight-passing girls flooded Pride armed with Etsy pronoun pins and crystal water bottles, and suddenly it wasn’t about gay people anymore — it was about vibes.

Gay men and lesbians built Pride with blood, bricks, and actual consequences. Now we’re background noise at a drag brunch sponsored by a bank and headlined by someone who says they’re queer but dates men and shops at Zara.

Corporations didn’t just hop on the bandwagon — they followed the wallets. Women are the biggest retail consumers. So Pride turned into glittery, gender-woo, Target-core nonsense that centers everyone except the people who actually fought for it.

Let’s be honest: if Pride had stayed 70% male, it wouldn’t have become this commercial monstrosity. The mainstream didn’t show up until straight women did.

by Anonymousreply 54June 2, 2025 2:23 AM

[quote]The TQIA+ demographics live on the fringes of society.

I wonder why R44.

by Anonymousreply 55June 2, 2025 3:10 AM

Beautifully said R54 . But I disagree on the last point, Even if it had stayed 70% male ,it still would have become monetized . Who's more shallow than the instagram queens ? Commerce and the internet will be forever entwined now . Thats also why I think theres nothing sacrosanct anymore. No misery someone wont exploit . I never really got the saying "Familiarity breeds contempt " but now I see clearly its meaning .

by Anonymousreply 56June 2, 2025 4:24 AM

Fuck it all, vote blue, question authority.

by Anonymousreply 57June 2, 2025 5:25 AM

[quote][R50] - what discrimination do asexuals receive? None - not having kids doesn't count - that's everyone. But wait - it gets better.

When Stonewall did their Asexual campaign they argued that asexuals were discriminated against because of marriage laws. When people get married they get certain benefits, like inheritance tax, and Stonewall argued this was discrimination against asexuals and aromantics because they won't form relationships.

I know.

[quote]ruined when it became a lifestyle space for straight women calling themselves queer. Once “non-binary” and “fluid” identities became trendy, straight-passing girls flooded Pride armed with Etsy pronoun pins and crystal water bottles, and suddenly it wasn’t about gay people anymore — it was about vibes.

Don't blame this on women. A lot of straight women have been incredibly supporting of gay men over the years. I used to go to gay clubs with straight female friends. Many of us did. The first Pride I went to my straight female friends came and one brought her daughter. That's what it was about.

It's the straight men who now demand they are treated as lesbians who have repulsed many people away from "LGBTQ"

by Anonymousreply 58June 2, 2025 7:24 AM

R53 has never been to Brooklyn, much less Rockland County.

by Anonymousreply 59June 2, 2025 10:16 AM

[quote] Well, this 100% confirms it was always fake support and was only ever corporations trying to make more profit.

Everything corporations do is to make more profit. They have no other reason to exist.

by Anonymousreply 60June 2, 2025 10:33 AM

R55 - Preach! You can stand on my back if you need a soapbox.

by Anonymousreply 61June 2, 2025 10:34 AM

R58 - Nice try but miserable fail. You’re clearly a Frau, another likely strait woman lurking here who isn’t wanted or needed.

by Anonymousreply 62June 2, 2025 10:35 AM

[quote]Because Ultra Orthodox Jews are a fucking miniscule population who……don't try to influence laws or shape the US government.

I’m sorry, WHAT?!?

by Anonymousreply 63June 2, 2025 10:38 AM

No R62, I'm a proud gay man who appreciates and supports my female friends because they have always supported me.

by Anonymousreply 64June 2, 2025 10:39 AM

It’s become a celebration of nonconformity to traditional gender roles without any particular focus. As a gay man, I’m torn. On the one hand there’s strength in numbers and we should be thankful that more people want to feel solidarity with us. On the other hand, it all feels vague and meaningless. And what they did to our flag cannot be forgiven.

by Anonymousreply 65June 2, 2025 10:52 AM

[quote]Corporations didn’t just hop on the bandwagon — they followed the wallets. Women are the biggest retail consumers. So Pride turned into glittery, gender-woo, Target-core nonsense that centers everyone except the people who actually fought for it.

Um, how old are you, R54? The corporate takeover of Pride started years before there were any such things as gender-fluid, non-binary, asexuality, and straight women saying they're "queer." The first I remember being totally overwhelmed with it was when they moved (St. Pete) Pride to Raymond James Stadium (my best research shows it was 2006 -- but I don't know for sure) and the corporate sponsor banners' presence was overwhelming. It was more like a flea market with lots of free junk sponsor giveaways and fliers for various businesses than it was a celebration of anyone's pride. Well, maybe pride in Raymond James.

It was appalling.

But I guess they figured that having "Pride" at RayJay (home of the Tampa Bay Bucs) beat the hell out of being out in the June heat of downtown St. Petersburg. Of course, I believe it fell flat, and I don't think they ever did it there again.

So don't blame this corporate shit on all the marginals. You know as well as I do that it's the [bold]gay men[/bold] that have the big bucks in this community, and they spend like tomorrow is the end of the world.

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by Anonymousreply 66June 2, 2025 11:22 AM

[quote]Because Ultra Orthodox Jews are a fucking miniscule population who are entirely insular and don't proselytize, don't try to convert people, and don't try to influence laws or shape the US government. It would be like complaining about homophobia among the Amish. Like, yeah, but...meh?

WHAT TE FUCK?

So they and their beliefs should be tossed into the "people of no importance" pile because they're 'a fucking miniscule population who are entirely insular' , according to you ?

by Anonymousreply 67June 2, 2025 11:34 AM

Good riddance. They were only after our dollars.

Let's get back to the grass roots of Pride...a protest about society's and the government's treatment of gays and lesbians. I may not think that transsexuality is the same as homosexuality, but I firmly believe the trans' struggle for acceptance and rights is my struggle too.

by Anonymousreply 68June 2, 2025 11:47 AM

[quote]Because Ultra Orthodox Jews are a fucking miniscule population who are entirely insular and don't proselytize, don't try to convert people, and don't try to influence laws or shape the US government. It would be like complaining about homophobia among the Amish. Like, yeah, but...meh?

WOW - Americans who identify as 'Black' or 'African American' is a miniscule 13.7% of total Americans according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey taken in 2023. 13.7%, in a population of over 340 Million people, is less than 40 M people.

I hate to think how unimportant their beliefs are to you.

by Anonymousreply 69June 2, 2025 11:56 AM

R66 You can say that all you want, it’s false. If you think mainstream culture is banking off Pride through gay men, you’re mistaken.

by Anonymousreply 70June 2, 2025 11:57 AM

[quote] "I've got no problem with gays but stop trying to promote it to kids",

You always hear this tired old line from homophobe idiots. In reality, most gay men don't really like kids and don't want to be around them.

by Anonymousreply 71June 2, 2025 12:08 PM

[quote]If you think mainstream culture is banking off Pride through gay men, you’re mistaken.

I didn't say that: I said the corporate culture of Pride started long before all the extra letters, etc. were added, when it was all about gay men with lots of money to piss away.

And I'll say it again -- in general, gay men have more $ than any woman (unconnected to a man) will have.

Tell me your net worth -- go on, I dare you. We can compare notes.

by Anonymousreply 72June 2, 2025 12:14 PM

[quote]It's like they're all miserable so they want to make everyone else feel as shitty as they do.

You've described most Republicans/Conservatives/Evangelicals to a "T." That's basically their underlying problem - they're miserable assholes and want everybody else to be miserable too.

by Anonymousreply 73June 2, 2025 12:20 PM

[quote]You always hear this tired old line from homophobe idiots. In reality, most gay men don't really like kids and don't want to be around them.

Have you not seen some of the stuff shared as part of Pride campaigns in schools? It goes beyond "Julia has 2 mummies" or "write a story about an LGBT trailblazer" which is absolutely fine. The gender ideology stuff is simply anti science and ultimately homophobic. Boys who play with dolls are not really girls.

And I never had a problem taking kids to pride events. I never had a problem with leather queens or even pup play at pride events. But drag queens twerking in front of kids or kids giving BDSM pups toys to play with is just a huge red flag.

by Anonymousreply 74June 2, 2025 12:27 PM

R66, you’re missing the point entirely.

The corporate wave didn’t hit Pride because gay men had money — it hit when Pride became a consumer identity that appealed to women. And not lesbians — straight women who rebranded “queer” as an aesthetic, not an orientation. That’s when brands saw dollar signs.

Gay men weren’t out here asking for glitter floats and brand partnerships — that came when women turned Pride into Burning Man with pronouns. Suddenly it was about vibes, eyeliner, and who could look the most “fluid” on Instagram. That’s what corporations latched onto.

Pride stopped being about gay liberation and started being about straight women with TikTok bios that say she/they throwing bachelorette parties at gay bars and calling it allyship.

So no, it wasn’t gay men’s disposable income that hijacked Pride — it was women treating it like a costume party. That’s not wealth. That’s cultural colonization.

by Anonymousreply 75June 2, 2025 12:47 PM

[quote] I used to go to gay clubs with straight female friends.

So you and your ilk are to blame.

by Anonymousreply 76June 2, 2025 1:05 PM

Pride was invented by the CIA to make sure Americans will always hate fags

by Anonymousreply 77June 2, 2025 1:14 PM

R76 - you sound a very bitter man.

Straight women are not to blame for Pride becoming a commercial event for many companies. That's what commerce is. They pay for their staff to have rainbow lanyards, they pay for their staff to march in a parade, they pay for some sponsorship and that's it. A tiny amount of money for brand awareness or to tick some boxes saying "look how progressive we are".

[quote]Gay men weren’t out here asking for glitter floats and brand partnerships

DELUSIONAL. That was exactly what happened. Gay men responsible for organising events wanted bigger events with more famous D list pop stars so they went out and sought funding.

Have you ever heard of Sydney Mardi Gras, the most famous gay pride event in the world?

by Anonymousreply 78June 2, 2025 1:20 PM

The likes of r78 are responsible for the erosion of gay pride. It started with them bringing straight women to gay bars. So much for being out and proud when you can't handle being in a gay male space without a straight women, a surrogate Mommy, holding your hand.

We all have straight female friends, sisters, mothers, who we love. But there is a time and place. Of course your girlfriends would never ever ever act like hooligans in gay bars.

You are the worst kind of hypocrite. Blind.

by Anonymousreply 79June 2, 2025 1:32 PM

Oh R79, you really are so bitter.

You really can't fathom a 19 year old going to a gay club for his first time taking a female friend with him?

You can't imagine a group of gay friends going out to a gay club for someone's birthday inviting a couple of straight friends along?

Gay rights would never have been won if straight people hadn't become allies and supported us.

by Anonymousreply 80June 2, 2025 1:38 PM

I’m just glad someone stuck up for aces.

by Anonymousreply 81June 2, 2025 1:41 PM

[quote] You really can't fathom a 19 year old going to a gay club for his first time taking a female friend with him?

I managed.

[quote] You can't imagine a group of gay friends going out to a gay club for someone's birthday inviting a couple of straight friends along?

Don't have to imagine it. I've seen it and its destructive results.

[quote] Gay rights would never have been won if straight people hadn't become allies and supported us.

Including them in gay bars wasn't necessary for that support.

You are a hell of a lot more bitter than I am. You can't handle being gay without a straight woman by your side.

by Anonymousreply 82June 2, 2025 1:48 PM

You guys are kind of describing different periods of pride and are both right. The first corporatization of pride was due to chasing after gay men's wallets. Alcohol, banks, stuff like that. But it was still gay focused. Then, more recently, it expanded to the absurd nonbinary, pink haired, asexual, gender confused, I want to be special, women crowd. There are more of those than gay men, so they saw a big opportunity there and even encouraged the transition. Remember, these big corporations are always chasing more and more $$$. It's never enough.

This year the environment is such that they are being cautious with their donations because they don't want to offend an even larger group of potential customers or get on the bad side of the regulators. It's always been about the $$$

by Anonymousreply 83June 2, 2025 2:13 PM

Good points r83. Sponsorship is always messy and many of us remember a time when it was more local, less corporate. If we were fortunate enough to live in a city with a gay village we didn't need the kind of corporate sponsorship that had to satisfy communities thousands of miles away. Local business knew our vibe.

by Anonymousreply 84June 2, 2025 2:58 PM

Gay marriage plays a part here too. It was the best and worst thing that happened and caused a lot of the change we're talking about. The best for obvious reasons, the worst because after that the lobbyists had to preserve their incomes and we all know what followed.

by Anonymousreply 85June 2, 2025 4:25 PM

Whose going to the [bold] WorldPride Tranz Celebration [/bold]?? I also love how the address is a secret.

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by Anonymousreply 86June 3, 2025 3:55 AM

My local library has a huge Pride Banner. 33% of it is the rainbow. 67% is the TRANS FLAG.

by Anonymousreply 87June 4, 2025 12:20 AM

r87 that flag is so fucking ugly and it's everywhere now. The hole is for intersex. There are like ten fucking people in the entire world who are intersex. JFC.

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by Anonymousreply 88June 4, 2025 12:28 AM

Right Now....GLAAD lady being interviewed on MSNBC......And of course she is talking about TRANz and not a peep about GAY MEN. And they think THEY are being marginalized? They should try being a gay man. We are excluded from groups WE built.

by Anonymousreply 89June 4, 2025 1:00 AM

Pride became soulless for me years ago and the corporate sponsors had a lot to do with it. And I never once believed there was anything behind it but money. No goodwill, no caring, just lip service to a demographic with purchasing power. And we were right.

The first Pride March I ever went to was in Northampton, MA in 1992. They have theirs in early May before the Five Colleges (Smith, Mount Holyoke, Amherst, Hampshire and UMASS) let out for the summer. And it was just people marching and having fun and trying to forget about how bad the past ten years had been and looking to the future. It was pretty great.

by Anonymousreply 90June 4, 2025 1:29 AM

Happy Pride!! Tee-Hee!!

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by Anonymousreply 91June 4, 2025 1:32 AM

I’m proud to hate that Mulvaney thing.

by Anonymousreply 92June 4, 2025 3:30 AM

R92 she's no Stefoknee for sure but hate ?

by Anonymousreply 93June 4, 2025 3:33 AM

R92 and if you want to really and totally confuse straight people keep telling them that, Do be careful though and explain how your hate is different than homophobia hate,

by Anonymousreply 94June 4, 2025 8:41 AM

I just can't get over how much Mulvaney resembles Lady Colin Campbell. Your adjectives here.

by Anonymousreply 95June 4, 2025 8:09 PM

Happy Pride!! Don't forget to take time out to worship the "brave" TEE this month!! You're welcome!!

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by Anonymousreply 96June 4, 2025 10:56 PM

It really does feel like even a few years ago when pride was about the gays you got a lot of buy-in from the general public and corporations. But once it stopped being about the gays and started being about all the other stuff, the entire country basically just said “Nah, I’m good.” Even the gay guy at work who organizes the Pride events for the company said he can’t get any volunteers this year. The gays don’t even wanna do it. That tells you a lot about what’s going on.

by Anonymousreply 97June 4, 2025 11:46 PM
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