Vehicle rams crowd in Liverpool

BBC link.

Oh god. Maniac driver is the new spree shooter.

R2, yep, it's crazy. Plus guns are so hard to get over there, but anybody can get a hold of a car.

They now have to specify the driver is a white man?

He’s lucky the police didn’t let the crowd take care of him.

A 53YO white man, to the great disappointment of the gammons.

r4 Sadly after the riots after Southport stabbings they probably think its best to get ahead before the twitter posters control the narrative.

What was his motive?

Probably an Arsenal supporter, R8.

“White British guy” doesn’t really rule anyone out. The press tried to stress that the killer of those kids at the dance thing was a “British Christian.”

R6 they only described him as "British", which doesn't mean he's white or not Muslim. His identity and motives won't be made public just yet.

r8 He was an Everton fan

Graphic footage here, not for the faint of heart. Absolute lunatic. Those poor people.

No they didn’t, R11, read the stories linked above.

People are such pieces of shit when they can’t get weapons they use everyday things to kill

[quote]A 53YO white man, to the great disappointment of the gammons

There was a mass stabbing in Hamburg last week but it didn't get a lot of attention because the perpetrator was a crazy white lady

Liverpool fans run towards the car! 🫨

Is Ringo OK?

27 patients taken to hospital, but no reports of any deaths. The incident is not believed to be an act of terrorism.

R13 anyway you can repost your link? It’s broken now.

[quote] The incident is not believed to be an act of terrorism.

Drink driving? A health crisis?

I wonder if it was road rage, R21.

Any elderly gay choristers from South Florida in the area, perhaps?

Maybe Kit / r22

R22, apparently people were thumping the car and the back window was broken before the events. I wonder if the man had somehow driven up a wrong street into where the crowds were, was being given a hard time, and just lost his temper and drove into the crowd. No sympathy for him but I could see it happening.

The Times: Drunk and just left Hooters.

@Western Decline on Twitter want you all to know that even though the guy is white he’s classifying him as a terrorist.

This is actually something someone said. This is how stupid these people are.

R6 Exactly. If he wasn't white, Gammon Twitter would literally be calling for public hanging.

People like R28 are the mirror image of "white Gammon Twitter". Everything has to be viewed through the prism of their political views.

In the same way there are people DESPERATE for this to be an Islamic terrorist attack, there are people DESPERATE for it to be a white person so they can claim righteousness and moral superiority.

The people with broken bones who were trapped under a car are of no interest to either group.

That's an unusually big car for the UK. Why was it even on the road? Surely the police would have blocked the roads off to incoming vehicles earlier in the day?

The size of the car isn't that unusual for the UK, especially in big city.

The open top bus parade had finished by that point R30 but there were still a lot of people partying in the street. The bus parade travelled for 10 miles so it's logistically improbably to section off the entirety of the route to motorists - a few signs will usually do - and that isn't usually required in a society where people don't drive their cars into big groups of people.

I'm sure we'll find out the exact circumstances of what happened very soon. God knows there's enough CCTV in Liverpool.

It's an unusual size for my big city of London, r31. In fact, I'm even seeing it described as a minivan in some articles.

It's a 7 seater Ford Galaxy.

Not uncommon for working class people to have big vehicles they can use for work and to carry their families in.

[Quote] they only described him as "British", which doesn't mean he's white or not Muslim. His identity and motives won't be made public just yet.

Poor r11, his hopes now dashed.

[Quote] In the same way there are people DESPERATE for this to be an Islamic terrorist attack, there are people DESPERATE for it to be a white person so they can claim righteousness and moral superiority.

Funny how r29 doesn’t give us the repugnant reason for the first set of DESPERATE peoples’ wish, but does give us that for the second set of DESPERATE people.

Also funny that r29 claims they’re a “mirror,” but fails to see the second set of DESPERATE people exist solely because of the racism and agendas of the first set.

[quote]the second set of DESPERATE people exist solely because of the racism and agendas of the first set.

No, the second set of DESPERATE people exist and refuse to admit there may be a problem with Islamism which has led to countless mass casualty attacks across Europe over the last couple of decades.

It's the same mindset that led the anniversary of the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester being marked as "On 22 May 2017, something tragic happened in our city. We will always remember those who were lost on that day ❤️🐝" What happened? To who? By who? Why did it happen? Was it the IRA?

It's all performative based on prejudice - both groups want the perpetrator to be a certain kind of person so it validates their world view and that's what forms their immediate response.

The victims are irrelevant. It's all about getting that response in first.

Britain will ban cars next.

R33, would that be the working-class people who live in the car-reliant suburbs? Tradesmen use actual vans for work.

Car that ploughed into fans during Liverpool victory parade 'should not have been on that street', says Mayor

27 May 2025, 13:03 | Updated: 27 May 2025, 13:09

Merseyside Police are facing serious questions after dozens of people were injured in a car ramming in the city centre last night as fans celebrated Liverpool FC’s Premier League victory.

[...]

The car which ploughed into fans should not have been on the road and the "big question" is how the incident happened, the city's metro mayor Steve Rotheram has said.

[...]

Mayor of Liverpool City Region, Steve Rotherham says Water Street was supposed to be blocked off.

Questions are being asked as to how a car was able to drive into crowds and injure dozens of people, but no clear answers have yet emerged.

Speaking to reporters at the scene on Tuesday, Mr Rotheram said questions about how the car was able to enter the road were "legitimate".

He said: "Water Street was not a route where vehicles were supposed to be using it, it was blocked off.

"At this end of it, which is the direction that it was coming in, towards The Strand, there were literally hundreds of thousands of people here, so no vehicle would have got through anyway.

"The questions, I suppose, are legitimate, but we have to give the police the time to conclude their investigations, which is what they're doing."

The car may have been attempting to follow an ambulance through the crowds before hitting people on Water Street, the Liverpool Echo reports.

The Echo has stated one line of enquiry is the car was following or attempting to follow an ambulance that was moving through the crowd.

This may have led to some of the gathered crowd attempting to stop the vehicle before it then lurched forward and ploughed into the crowds.

R10, the press stressed that the Southport killer was Christian because all the insane lunatics were going hysterical on Twitter with the claim that the perpetrator was a Muslim, even in some cases naming specific individuals, which led to actual anti-Muslim riots on the streets.

I guess acid attacks are becoming passé.

[quote][R33], would that be the working-class people who live in the car-reliant suburbs? Tradesmen use actual vans for work.

Oh fuck off. You seriously don't know people who use big cars for work as well as driving their family around?

R36, posting from Pittsburgh with apparently great knowledge of “European issues,” writes:

[Quote] It's all performative based on prejudice - both groups want the perpetrator to be a certain kind of person so it validates their world view and that's what forms their immediate response.

No, Muslims do not have a monopoly on mass casualty events, there haven’t been “countless” numbers of them over decades, and Muslims have not inflicted the majority of them. Why lie?

In fact, Muslims are being used as a stick to beat liberal democracy with by some European rightwing parties, to drive people back to fascism — an ideology that came close to annihilating Europe.

So the real threat to Europe has conjured up a fake one to deceive and manipulate the public. They’ve conjured up an “evil other” hellbent on harming innocent Europeans.

Sound familiar?

[quote]No, Muslims do not have a monopoly on mass casualty events, there haven’t been “countless” numbers of them over decades, and Muslims have not inflicted the majority of them. Why lie?

Firstly I didn't mention Muslins, I used the term Islamism.

Secondly I am definitely not in Pittsburg and very much based in the UK. I grew up in an era of IRA bombings and now I live in an era of threats from Islamic extremism.

And thirdly why just lie about Islamic terrorist attacks over the last 20 years when the information is easy to find?

In a few weeks it will be the 5th anniversary of the Reading stabbing attack where 3 gay men were stabbed to death by an Islamist attacked. I'm sure just me mentioning that will generate a response of BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ADMIRAL DUNCAN BOMBING!!!!

There have been other mass casualty incidents where people were killed at random, the Plymouth shooting, the Nottingham stabbings etc which were clearly had no link to Islam.

I understand the pushback to the far right accounts desperate for this to be an Islamist incident or even a false flag incident (!) but the determination from the likes of you try to pretend that it's unheard of for Muslims to engage in random attacks is laughable.

No, I don't know people with 7-seaters who use it as a family car and a work vehicle, r42. Do you know such people? All the tradesmen on my road have their own vans for work and one or two family cars.

R31, you're wrong, there was a traffic blockade, as required by law and as is entirely possible. The blockade at that point was temporarily lifted, however, so an ambulance could get through to someone who had had a heart attack, and the lunatic with the big car snuck in after the ambulance.

R43 is the reason why Western culture is imploding.

[quote]logistically improbably to section off the entirety of the route to motorists - a few signs will usually do

[quote][R31], you're wrong, there was a traffic blockade, as required by law and as is entirely possible. The blockade at that point was temporarily lifted, however, so an ambulance could get through to someone who had had a heart attack, and the lunatic with the big car snuck in after the ambulance.

Yeah, I live in a big city that has regular events and the "blockades" often consist of a few signs kept in place with sandbags saying "road closed ahead" and "diversion", sometimes manned by stewards. With some large participation events there are huge concrete blocks dropped off to stop any vehicle travelling through but for the most part it relies on the good will of people abiding by the rules.

In this case, r48, the road was literally blocked off to traffic but the lunatic only managed to get through because he sneaked in behind an ambulance. As the mayor of Liverpool said, questions need to be asked as to how he managed to get through the police blockade.

Ha!

53-year-old businessman called Paul Doyle, with a wife, three teenaged daughters and a nice house.

A former royal marine, according to the DM.

He looks like former Falcon exclusive Jason Branch in that pic.

Mmmmmm, Jason Branch.

The "false flag" conspiracy theorists will have a field day with him being ex army. I've not seen a group of people so deluded since the nutjobs who were convinced Boris Johnson faked going in to hospital with Covid.

There's no mention in anything I can see of the charges that he was under the influence. So road rage or hatred of scousers induced him to try and mow down a crowd?

Coke head who was pissed as in drunk

Apparently he followed Nigel Farage and Andrew Tate on Twitter. So as suspected, a twat.

Why hasn't he been charged with attempted murder? Surely driving directly into people isn't just GBH?

The Mail has gone into exculpatory overdrive, quoting an anonymous 'friend' who claims Doyle panicked when Liverpool fans tried to break into his car , so he drove straight into the crowds at speed. Hmmm. Remember the last time the press chose to victim-blame Liverpool fans?

Also hilariously, an interview with a mechanic who serviced his car and doubted claims of drug taking because he saw no 'drug paraphernalia' when it was brought in for servicing.

I've seen tweets claiming he must have been radicalised in India or Pakistan. Yeah, that's much likelier than him simply being a cokehead.

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I think his side gig was making baseball caps. Link is to what appears to be his Instagram account. Judging by the accounts he follows it seems he may have been diabetic. Maybe he had a diabetes attack?

[QUOTE]the man's friend said he was baffled by police suggestions that he was high on drugs. He confirmed he previously served in the military and added: 'He hasn't had a drink for 20-plus years and I cannot believe he had taken drugs. That is just not him.

He's claiming he has no memory past a certain point. Maybe he relapsed after 20+ years of sobriety celebrating the Liverpool championship. His tolerance was back to low and he drank at the same pace as others. That could lead to a blackout.

He hasn't been charged with driving under the influence, and he would have been tested for drink and drugs.

Would those charges come later once toxicology results are unveiled? It's immediately obvious for alcohol with a simple BAC, not so much for drugs.