Gone With the Wind

The sequel to Gone With The Wind will be

Up In Smoke.

The Heritage Foundation is wearing Klan Black Widows' Weeds...

Salt the earth.

From an architectural standpoint it is a great loss. But at least people won't be able to stage weddings there anymore.

Question - how can a 160 year old mansion be considered antebellum? It can't. The oldest tree on the property is 162 years old, so it was built 1862-1863?

Antebellum means BEFORE the war. This one was built during it?

Bigger doesn't always mean better - no big loss. Another weird tribute to the evils of slavery is gone - who cares?

I think it's disgusting to have events or weddings at old slave plantations - making everyone drive out to the middle of nowhere just to be in a large plantation house? Why exactly?

Quite shocking. They didnt have adequate fire prevention?

Good news

It was built in 1859 so it counts as antebellum.

I'm crying as I type!

It does seem unfair they built it in 1859, then only had one year to really enjoy it before the Civil War broke out, right?

Quirky exterior but a great house. I stayed there in the early 1980s, as a guest of the Deases who restored and opened it as a sort of museum/hotel (we had a mutual friend and the Deases, serial owner-restorers, owned another big plantation house as their own house.)

It was a crazy huge place, not the loveliest but vast. The triple parlor with the white plaster works,woodwork, and painted floors always reminded me of the white bedroom in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Another symbol of White Plantation Supremacy, gone with the smoke.

Good

R7 - ok - I stand corrected although they just squeaked into Antebellum.

"The home was a Greek Revival- and Italianate-styled mansion built by enslaved African-American laborers" - so that shit checks out. Look at why my slave people built for me! CHEAP, TOO! He probably had them doing double work - both in the fields and maintenance and then having to work on this monstrosity on top of it.

I know it's a part of US history - but to celebrate it by having corporate events and weddings there is just fucking gross. Does it even cross Southerners' minds?

It's only significance is being a slave farm built by slaves. It's a shameful part of our history - not something to be celebrated.

This was part of the Slave Carpentry Guild that taught slaves usable skills for an unanticipated Post-Civil War America?

It was beautiful.

It was a beautiful house and its sad to see it destroyed. I bet the slaves who built it werent happy to see their exquisite work go up in flames. Why not burn Mount Vernon and Monticello down too ?

My money is on arson by some crusading nutbag.

Everything’s hotter down south.

Bye, Felicia🔥

[quote] It was a beautiful house and its sad to see it destroyed. I bet the slaves who built it werent happy to see their exquisite work go up in flames.

Oh, I am concerned about their reaction when they hear the news! You should present the slaves with a tray of St Olaf Friendship cake to lessen the blow.

[quote]I bet the slaves who built it werent happy to see their exquisite work go up in flames

You think they'd be sad about the place where they were held captive, forced to work, beaten and raped burning down?

The Wind Done Gone.

R16 - why not burn down the homes of two of our very first Presidents?

Because they have historical value and relevancy to our nation - unlike this house of horrors built to show off the wealth of people who made it by making other human beings' lives hell on earth?

If they had corporate events and weddings there - obviously they had large industrial kitchens and all the hazards that go with that.

Can't help feeling the ick from these places.

Its funny but Ive actually toured several plantations over the years and I indeed found slavery loathsome and inhumane BUT that didnt affect how I felt about the beauty of the houses . Yes it happened,yes it was a stain on humanity but if we destroy everything that was built by ssystems that were unjust there'd be nothing left. For example the railroads were built at the expense of countless Chinese immigrants who were treated less than dogs .So I guess we should go tear up all the tracks they laid ? How about the subways in New York ? They were built mostly by Irish people,who couldnt even go into many places because of signs like "No dogs,no blacks,no Irish" . See my point ? Every race at some point or the other has been victimized and treated like shit by the powers that be (child labor anyone?) . According to the logic of the day,should all of the things they built be destroyed ?

I bet the catering kitchens are NOT in the house, though. I just cant believe it wasn't somewhat fireproofed

R24 - you're comparing apples to oranges. Railroads and subways are infrastructure - and not done by slave labor, regardless of how hard the work was or how unfairly almost all physical labor was treated in the 19th century. Before labor unions, most physical laborers took their lives in their own hands on a daily basis and were treated horribly and paid low wages. But they had their freedom to move on and many of them did successfully.

It's not that it's still standing (well, not any more) - my issues with it is that they hold corporate events and weddings there. Secondly, I watched a tour video on YouTube - the guide was obviously gay and actually did a really good job enunciating and speaking slowly - which is critical for foreign visitors.

Anyway - he glossed over the slavery aspect and said that there was a carrot and stick approach and that the owner took care of the slave families and gave them bonuses, blah, blah, blah. It really was shining up a turd and had the feeling of being gaslit and/or omitting a lot of relevant details about the 200 slaves that lived there. A variation of the 'happy and well cared for' slave narrative.

This place has no unique historical significance other than being a slave farm - albeit with a big house. To cry over its loss is stupid. To be proud of its history is also weird and unjust.

[quote]my issues with it is that they hold corporate events and weddings there.

Yes, if you're going to have a place like this open to the public, make it a museum like the one in the link.

And anyone suggesting the slaves at Nottaway were "well treated" should look into the history of sugar plantations.

[quote] Its funny but Ive actually toured several plantations over the years

Believe us, reading your post, we’re not surprised r24.

We were going to renew our wedding vows there!

AND R28 ? I like beautiful architecture . Why is that not surprising ? Because I think plantation houses are beautiful I condone slavery ? Get a fucking grip,dear . You're too old to be a SJW . Once one hits 50,younger people cease to see (or hear) one . Same as it ever was so save it.

Just so you all know, r16 and r24, the intellectual minnow, are the same poster.

[quote]I bet the slaves who built it werent happy to see their exquisite work go up in flames.

The people who built it are dead, you do realize? I assume you just struggle with English. And with thinking.

If ya gotta go you gotta go.

Nothing in the U.S. other than Native American pueblos or earthworks is particularly “historical”. Europeans must be baffled by the idea that a house built in 1859 would be considered as anything less than new.

There is some historical value in Monticello and Mt. Vernon in that (after many years of pressure) the grounds and tours there actually do depict something of the horrors of the lives of enslaved people. I wouldn’t be sad if those houses burned either though…and if we’re just talking about a mansion owned as private property that has detached itself totally from the enforced labor that built it? Let it burn.

The Shaniquas are already all over Facebook celebrating this and thanking their ancestors for causing the fire.

[quote]Europeans must be baffled by the idea that a house built in 1859 would be considered as anything less than new.

There are thousand upon thousands of listed or protected buildings newer than that in Europe.

Any chance the property stopped becoming profitable and/or the owner(s) are facing debt? It's kind of unfathomable that there wasn't sufficient fire protection/prevention for a property like this.

R36 Not really. Old houses are often fireprone and this is in a rural area, there aren’t 1000s of firefighters to call up to put out a blaze on a single property.

Insurance fraud is unlikely since rebuilding a house like this is beyond the means of anyone but a mega-billionaire and replicating the so-called “historical value” that made it a tourist/wedding destination is impossible.

Team fire.

R34 Fuck you very much, you racist slag.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

R37 - I believe it was purchased by an Australian billionaire (now deceased) and restored.

Currently owned by an attorney Dan Dyess - who says that he would like to rebuild (?!). Not sure how that's going to happen - or if that's a statement to throw off any suspicions of arson.

I guess you could build a replica but I'd have to think the cost would be astronomical with all of the specialized labor and European 19th c. craftsmen who were employed.

it wasn't that "finely" crafted. It was big. and "well crafted". The woods would be expensive now. It wasnt carved stone, gilded age complexity. There was minimal decorative plastering except in the double parlour and even there is wasn't very elaborate and these things can be now done industrially and with lasers.

A facsimile of it, that does NOT seek to be genuine recreation, is completely possible. That would just add to vulgarity of the location as wedding venue. People get what they deserve.

So was it arson?

What a shame. I had several plantation themed events booked here. Oh well, at least I've still got my servers to perform in blackface. I may even make an appearance as Mammy Paula.

Humor fail r45.

Hi Paula at R46! How was the Klan meeting?

It was not beautiful. It was ill-proportioned and ungainly. Not beautiful as Homas House is. Or even San Francisco. Still, these place3s are all firetraps. How many times has Jefferson Davis' Beaumont burned? The c onfederate crazies continually rebuild it. I don't think this one will be. Too far out, too ugly the neighborhood of petrochemical plants.

I think it was the largest one 60,000 square feet, but that's only becasue Dr. Nutt never finished his giant mansion in Snatchez.

Speaking of which Staunton Hall in Natchez is far more beautiful than Nottoway.

Pass me the smelling salts! I'm about the faint!

The Pyramids of Giza were also built by slaves. Should people not visit them?

I hope all the ghetto rats & white trash gloating over the loss of Nottoway die in a good, old-fashioned Datalounge grease fire.

Stanton Hall is a proper and attractive Greek Revival, agreed.

My fave antebeelum pile is Rattle and Snap in Columbia TN because the Polk family were eccentric nutters. All these should be preserved as a tribune to slave craftsmanship, not "culture" which they are not.

Also that gorgeous Greek revival hojme in Demopolis AL. I forget what it's called but I believe Alabama sold it off.

Cassius Clay's place has a more upbeat message.

I doan no nothin' 'bout no fars.

[quote]Gone With the Fire

FIFY

R53, calling people "ghetto rats" makes you sound like a white trash Trumper

Gone with the Breaking Wind, starring Erna.

r52, slavery was common amongst ancients for reason that include no concept of the polis, the people.

It would take the Greeks to update the system a millennia later.

Great news! Now we just need to burn Auchwitz down.

[quote]Europeans must be baffled by the idea that a house built in 1859 would be considered as anything less than new.

The US isn't Europe

[quote]Any chance the property stopped becoming profitable and/or the owner(s) are facing debt? It's kind of unfathomable that there wasn't sufficient fire protection/prevention for a property like this.

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What is Auchwitz?

Cotton, Slavery and State’s Rights!

Too bad it wasn’t full of Confederate genealogists at the time.

Gaineswood Demopolis and Beauvoir Biloxi for Jefferson David

White Hall Kentucky for Cassius Clay

[quote]Why not burn Mount Vernon and Monticello down too ?

Or dismantle the Parthenon or the Coliseum.

"Contrary to popular belief, it wasn’t slaves who built the pyramids. We know this because archaeologists have located the remains of a purpose-built village for the thousands of workers who built the famous Giza pyramids, nearly 4,500 years ago.

Animal bones found at the village show that the workers were getting the best cuts of meat. More than anything, there were bread jars, hundreds and thousands of them – enough to feed all the workers, who slept in long, purpose-built dormitories. Slaves would never have been treated this well, so we think that these labourers were recruited from farms, perhaps from a region much further down the Nile, near Luxor."

I grew up not far from Nottaway and went there a number of times. I’m saddened to see this beautiful home destroyed.

It’s not a “home”, nobody lives there. It’s a monument to slavery.

R65 - It's 🇬🇷⚡️.

It must have been quite a sight when dark black field slaves ran a train on master in the double white parlour.

I’m glad it burned down, if only to see the conservative tears being shed. Maybe more should be burned down.

R73 here. Yes, R74, you're absolutely correct. It most certainly is a monument to slavery and its horrors. I didn't mean to indicate that I was wistful about the memory of that way of life. My initial reaction was purely as an architectural and historical enthusiast. Using these places for holding weddings, banquets and any kind of celebration is vile and completely disconnected from reality. My niece's wedding, while not at an actual plantation home, was at a home built in the early 70's as an imitation of one, which was later turned into a wedding venue. It was gross. The wedding was an example of what I call 'polite racism'. The members of my family who all still live in Louisiana are aghast at any insinuation that they are racists because they don't use the 'n' word, don't burn crosses on lawns and may have some acquaintances or even people they consider friends who are Black. But they don't really know anything about racism. They think that 'reverse-racism' is an actual thing. My sister substitutes 'The Blacks' for the 'n' word, and says things like, "I"m not racist, but..." I'm happy that many of the other plantation homes still standing have shifted their focus to education and reflection.

It is the common law version of removing Confederate Statues?

[quote] "Contrary to popular belief, it wasn’t slaves who built the pyramids.

But slave labor was used to build the Colosseum.

It was also used to build the Parthenon in Athens; the US Capitol, the White House, and the Smithsonian in DC; and the Hagia Sofia in Istanbul; the Temples of Angkor Wat in Cambodia; and parts of the Great Wall of China. .

Exactly R80 ! But nope,they all gotta go !

R80, r81, put the straw man down.

No one of any seriousness is saying “they all gotta go” because they refuse to shed a tear for this white elephant.

R65 = The Cousin

It’s probably best that all antebellum plantation houses be disassembled and a new copy be built with new materials.. That would remove the taint of being slave-built.

[quote] It’s probably best that all antebellum plantation houses be disassembled

Period.

The South lost(, for reasons well-known to her.

R85, this is why they hate us.

The Washington Monument used slave labor in its construction.

I know awful things happened at these places, but erasing them doesn’t make that go away. We have to know our history and remember why parts of it were so horrific. I think these estates are one of the best ways to highlight why slavery was so profitable and why it wasn’t simply done away with after we became a republic.

Gaudy looking place--no real architectural merit. I've only gone to these places with other people and still found them cringey. One of my grandmothers and a great-grandmother worked as charwomen in the houses of the rich. I have no trouble picturing all that the salves had to do in order to keep these barns and their overstuffed furnishings going.