Jealous, gays? đ
He seems homophobic to me.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 8, 2025 5:59 PM |
boring name
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 8, 2025 6:01 PM |
In Italian it's pronounced "lay-o", not "lee-o".
Just so you know.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 8, 2025 6:05 PM |
So after all this time, America has finally arrived. Battered and just about to sink, but arrived nonetheless.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 8, 2025 6:05 PM |
Heâs giving me Benedict vibes.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 8, 2025 6:11 PM |
PARTY IN THE USA
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 8, 2025 6:12 PM |
Wait heâs American. I thought for sure we wouldnât get an American.. He shouldâve stayed Robert. It sounds kind of popey.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 8, 2025 6:14 PM |
The only people I know who are still religious Catholics and still go to church are a handful of elderly people. Literally no one else. It's so weird to me that the Pope and the Catholic Church are still a big thing in the US media.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 8, 2025 6:14 PM |
SHE BETTA WORK!
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 8, 2025 6:14 PM |
The Pope walks out to all that world wide adoration far and wide and out walks an mericN.
Donkey Trump my have had days before with the church but this became
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 8, 2025 6:16 PM |
r4Speaking of ship metaphors. If you told the the puritans on the Mayflower the country they were the genesis of would one day provide a pope they'd probably have sailed straight back home.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 8, 2025 6:16 PM |
[quote] If you told the the puritans on the Mayflower the country they were the genesis of would one day provide a pope they'd probably have sailed straight back home.
Just imagine if anyone told them about porn and rap music!
by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 8, 2025 6:18 PM |
People keep calling him American, but when was the last time he lived here. And how many Americans do you know who can speak Latin and Italian that well.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 8, 2025 6:18 PM |
Out walks the new pope to amazing love and adoration and applause (world wide love and respect ) that wonât stop and when we find out that he is an American Donald Trumps day just got a lot less bright.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 8, 2025 6:19 PM |
What a travesty.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 8, 2025 6:21 PM |
At least it wasn't that nasty, petty, vindictive bitch Raymond Burke.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 8, 2025 6:24 PM |
[quote]And how many Americans do you know who can speak Latin and Italian that well.
How many people on planet Earth can fucking speak Latin?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 8, 2025 6:24 PM |
The applause was not that long. I did not see any love. He is not that big a deal. Most popular person in the world todayâ-my ass.
My crowds are bigger
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 8, 2025 6:25 PM |
The new pope has gay face. I wonder how many pedophile priests he's transferred and hidden from prosecution?
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 8, 2025 6:27 PM |
The crowd did not go wild.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 8, 2025 6:28 PM |
He's from Chicago, but apparently has spent much of his adult life as a Cardinal in Peru? Is that right?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 8, 2025 6:30 PM |
He's Pope, not head of the Unitarian Universalist Association. He has to toe the Vatican line.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 8, 2025 6:30 PM |
Bishop of Peru correct
by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 8, 2025 6:31 PM |
r20 Its an Italian crowd being told an American has been elected pontiff. They need to know his views on pineapple pizza before deciding if they're adding to this list
by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 8, 2025 6:31 PM |
r21 Archbishop of Peru, but yes. He was only made cardinal in 2023, but held a powerful position in the Vatican before that, leading the body that appoints bishops worldwide.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 8, 2025 6:31 PM |
He spent so long in Peru in fact, that he became a naturalised citizen of Peru.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 8, 2025 6:33 PM |
He speaks Italian with a very thick American accent.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 8, 2025 6:34 PM |
[quote] At least it wasn't that nasty, petty, vindictive bitch Raymond Burke.
Burke and MAGA fanboy Cardinal Timothy Dolan are awful.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 8, 2025 6:37 PM |
[quote]Heâs giving me Benedict vibes.
No. Benedict was the ambitious type who wore the high fashion labels and would never have spent half his life in rural Peru. This guy is much closer to Francis.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 8, 2025 6:37 PM |
I think it's safe to assume he won't be doing the American late night talk show circuit. Might take some time to see him in Chicago again, too. Probably under a Dem president.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 8, 2025 6:38 PM |
Villanova is an Augustinian institution.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 8, 2025 6:42 PM |
Just what we need another boorish ucouth Yank.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 8, 2025 6:42 PM |
You can see him take the oath of secrecy in flawless Latin yesterday in this video at 9:20:10.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | May 8, 2025 6:44 PM |
hey at least he doesn't like our VP anymore than his predecessor did! 'Our new woke pope': Newly minted pontiffâs post slamming JD Vance lights up social media:
by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 8, 2025 6:45 PM |
r24, pineapple on Chicago style pizza would be just gross, like savory pineapple upside down cake.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 8, 2025 6:48 PM |
He appears to be a moderate. Not as liberal a Pope Francis, but not an ultra conservative asswipe like Dolan or Burke.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 8, 2025 6:52 PM |
r36 You know what, I'll take it. Given the state of the world, this could have gone much, much worse.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | May 8, 2025 6:54 PM |
I'll take it as well. His taken name - Leo XIV- is a callback to Leo XIII, who was a socially conscious Pope who supported workers rights, the poor, etc. He should at least be in line with the views of John Paul II, than with Benedict (who was fairly conservative).
by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 8, 2025 6:58 PM |
R34 the facts are good enough. Why go that extra mile all the fucking time.? The new pope was correcting JD on matters of Christian theology.
And it was a good lesson.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | May 8, 2025 7:01 PM |
[quote] Just what we need another boorish ucouth Yank.
He could actually help to rehab our image somewhat, since he is the polar opposite of the orange ape. And Dump is going to be very jealous if the Pope gets more attention than him. Win/win
by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 8, 2025 7:06 PM |
Hopefully he excommunicates Burke the Jerk. Francis came close, but do it Leo!
by Anonymous | reply 41 | May 8, 2025 7:07 PM |
[quote]He could actually help to rehab our image somewhat,
The Catholic Church and the Pope are pretty irrelevant in the modern Western World.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 8, 2025 7:08 PM |
[quote]I think it's safe to assume he won't be doing the American late night talk show circuit. Might take some time to see him in Chicago again, too. Probably under a Dem president.
Yep, R30. Try right now and he could find himself on a plane to El Salvador for "not being American enough" or "being too Peruvian" or some other made-up reason. The only consolation would be that El Salvador is a country with a large Catholic population.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 8, 2025 7:32 PM |
I was molested by my best friend's daddy.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 8, 2025 7:34 PM |
The Vatican chose the most important daughter of its extensive empire.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 8, 2025 7:35 PM |
These are definitely the End Times!
- Every Pentecostal
by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 8, 2025 7:36 PM |
We live in truly amazing times.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | May 8, 2025 7:40 PM |
Appalling times, more like.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | May 8, 2025 7:42 PM |
R8, you might be surprised by this fact so prepare yourself, but everyone else on earth is not exactly like you, and all of us have experiences and associations that are unique or distinct at an individual level.
There's a Catholic Church down the block from me, and based solely on attendance I'd say that *maybe* you are an outlier on this point and not remotely the norm. It's also useful information for you to understand that Catholics, like all religious denominations in the vast United States, vary in numbers by geography. I've never met a Mormon but I would never say I don't understand their influence in American culture just based on my limited exposure in the northeastern U.S. If anyone claimed they didn't know why Jews were so influential because they never met one they'd be getting some major side eye, too.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | May 8, 2025 7:43 PM |
After Benedict and Francis, they went with a centrist, basically.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 8, 2025 7:49 PM |
Handsome man.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 8, 2025 7:53 PM |
He spent so much time in Peru, I think that gave him some much-needed distance and a realisation as to just how insane American culture wars and their political (and religious) discourse in general is. So I bet he has much more in common with Francis than with that ghoul Burke.
But, we'll see, we won't have to wait long to see his first moves.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 8, 2025 8:05 PM |
With a new hat, he could have made his debut at the Met Gala.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 8, 2025 8:09 PM |
R24, surprising that list doesnât include Pope John Paul I, who died âof a heart attackâ (but was actually murdered because he was going to tell the truth about the churchâs ties to mafia and anti-semitism/Nazis/Hitler.
Heâd have been revolutionary.
Sick fucking cult, Catholicism. Itâs where Scientology gets a lot of their ideas about how to treat people who threaten the cult or leave.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 8, 2025 8:12 PM |
R8 I mentioned in another thread that US networks were treating it as some sort of weird combination of the Kentucky Derby, the Oscars, and the Indy 500. Suddenly everyone seemed to be steeped in its history and this is especially true when, as you note, so few people even attend Mass anymore. So many news outlets were treating it as if the papacy were a commodity, something to stan over rather than an extremely historic occasion. There is joy, certainly, but they were treating it as if the new pope were a sort of "winner" a la the Derby, Oscars, or Indy. I hate the 21st century, where everything is for consumption and value is stripped away.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | May 8, 2025 8:13 PM |
Being a catholic is great. I was raped in the custody of the Assembly of God church by a pastor there. The Catholics never did anything to me. The Catholics are no where near as judgemental as the "Christians"
by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 8, 2025 8:16 PM |
Jaydine Vance is such a completely heinous piece of shit. Literally everyone on Earth, including 2 Popes, canât stand the fucker.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 8, 2025 8:18 PM |
Leonardo DiCaprio finally became Pope. About time!
Good for him.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 8, 2025 8:21 PM |
Doubt Leo is losing much sleep over JD, he'll never be heard from again once he's out of the White House. Old men like him have seen these attack dogs come and go, they're not fazed at all.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 8, 2025 8:22 PM |
r58 This might actually cause some confusion as we've been referring to him as Leo on DL pretty much since the start of this site.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 8, 2025 8:24 PM |
r55 that's a great analysis.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 8, 2025 8:24 PM |
[quote]Leonardo DiCaprio finally became Pope. About time!
Looks like he'll have to stop sucking cock.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 8, 2025 8:25 PM |
The proof is in the pudding, let's see what his first year in office looks like.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | May 8, 2025 8:29 PM |
Interesting that as the last vote was about to start that those cardinals on the more left and those on the more right were not wishing each other dead and then came together for the common good. . How unlike American democracy.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | May 8, 2025 8:35 PM |
Anyone who is against Trump I like.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 8, 2025 8:38 PM |
The fact that he's younger than T. must be messing with T.'s mind as well. Flashes of mortality, maybe?
by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 8, 2025 8:42 PM |
MAGA Alert MAGA Alert
Stand by for a new Trump-Gram where it will be explained how the vote today was done in respect to Donald Trump and America First.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 8, 2025 8:42 PM |
R19 implying he would never ask the question except for the gay face.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 8, 2025 8:45 PM |
R49: I was the only Gentile in an otherwise Mormon cub scout pack.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | May 8, 2025 8:49 PM |
Apparently a fuckton of Chicago Catholics knew him, and he was a substitute teacher so a number of them of a certain age are saying they were taught by him (or sent to detention by him!)
by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 8, 2025 8:51 PM |
R54 I grew up Catholic and never felt any pressure to remain. I'm no longer Catholic but I honestly don't really think badly of them.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 8, 2025 8:51 PM |
The first (and only) English pope, now joined by the first American pope.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | May 8, 2025 9:02 PM |
Hey what about us?
by Anonymous | reply 74 | May 8, 2025 9:15 PM |
The Big Five
What a joke. Itâs us and the 4 littles.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | May 8, 2025 9:18 PM |
Lay-O.......Laaaaaaay-O......Daylight come and I want to go home.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | May 8, 2025 9:23 PM |
What he a surprise? I don't recall seeing his name among the speculated contenders.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | May 8, 2025 9:32 PM |
He is giving a little bit Benedict and a little bit Francis. A mox of the two. He seems okay
by Anonymous | reply 78 | May 8, 2025 9:53 PM |
R8 there are 1.4 billion catholics globally, genius
by Anonymous | reply 79 | May 8, 2025 9:55 PM |
I hope he continues the work ofn Pope Francis and encourages Catholics back in the church
by Anonymous | reply 80 | May 8, 2025 9:55 PM |
r79 no shit. But in the Western World the Catholic Church is not very relevant anymore.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | May 8, 2025 9:56 PM |
R79 the âwestern worldâ goes far beyond the people you know, Jan
by Anonymous | reply 82 | May 8, 2025 9:59 PM |
r82 you are pretty ignorant. Go to Western Europe and see how religious they are. Even the Irish and Italians aren't all that religious anymore. They've moved beyond religion.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | May 8, 2025 10:04 PM |
Hell, even Ireland legalized abortion and same sex marriage.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | May 8, 2025 10:07 PM |
Like all colonial schemes, Christianity requires growth, R83.
Westerners are range fed sheep, not targets. The contested meat is in Africa and the scarier parts of India.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | May 8, 2025 10:13 PM |
r85 what a simple view of the world you have.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | May 8, 2025 10:17 PM |
R86, perhaps you havenât seen all the money to be made in anti-gay African State law making.
Our American Christians©ïž, as well as the Catholic church have plowed millions into unstable African countries to craft anti-gay laws.
Itâs ALEC for the poor people, but thatâs just a simple view from someone who pays attention to this colonialism. You are so much better than me with simple shit quips. Sorry I ruined your day.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | May 8, 2025 10:25 PM |
r87 I'm not Catholic nor do I care for the Catholic Church. Yes they're trying to recruit in Africa. But the civilized world has moved on.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | May 8, 2025 10:30 PM |
Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President..
by Anonymous | reply 89 | May 8, 2025 10:37 PM |
Iâm surprised - I thought for sure that the conclave would go Black this time.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | May 8, 2025 10:39 PM |
R3 noâin Italian itâs Leone.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | May 8, 2025 10:41 PM |
R86, Iâm a simple viewer, but where does Ponzi money come from? Does it come from people who have been screwed over by the church for hundreds of years? Does better money come from people a church hasnât conquered and shit upon for two hundred and fifty fucking years.?
Aside from honorariams, who will keep income streams flowing (mind you, Im simple) from multiple sources who have not been molested or raped by clergy. You fucking fuck. Please stop pretending we donât know what happened, you lazy brained cabbage head.
Your coworkers say you smell of shit
by Anonymous | reply 92 | May 8, 2025 10:41 PM |
r92 defensive much? The Catholic Church is not my thing at all, of course they're corrupt. I never said otherwise. It's just that you're kind of simple. That's all.
Actually, just this week two co-workers told me how nice I smell.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | May 8, 2025 10:46 PM |
R27 nope. His Italian is excellent.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | May 8, 2025 10:49 PM |
This is an interesting pick, especially if he's critical of Trump and Vance. Will Latino and other new and traditional Catholic voters be swayed, is the question.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | May 8, 2025 10:49 PM |
Yas queen! She ate that
by Anonymous | reply 96 | May 8, 2025 10:51 PM |
Probably not r95. Many of them have already gone over to Evangelical Protestant denominations.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | May 8, 2025 10:51 PM |
He criticized Vance for misapplying a basic precept of Catholic theology in a public setting.
Never trust a recent convert with an Ivy degreeâtheyâre the worst!
by Anonymous | reply 98 | May 8, 2025 10:54 PM |
[quote]Pope John Paul I, who died âof a heart attackâ (but was actually murdered because he was going to tell the truth about the churchâs ties to mafia and anti-semitism/Nazis/Hitler.
Don't people promoting conspiracy theories know how ridiculous they sound?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | May 8, 2025 10:55 PM |
Clearly they like the noise inside their headâŠ
by Anonymous | reply 100 | May 8, 2025 10:58 PM |
R86, as a cabbage head you failed to provide anything more than a vibe. Adults need more from you when you enter into a conversation where someone isnât trying to talking you into fisting. One to grow on, Cher.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | May 8, 2025 11:02 PM |
r77 He appeared on many lists but, much like Francis, was far from being the frontrunner going into the conclave. He was included as someone who ticks many of the right boxes and seem like the perfect fit on paper, but then dismissed because no one believed we'd actually get an American pope. These firsts seem unbelievable, until they finally happen.
The BBC list also mentioned that he might be too young for the papacy.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | May 8, 2025 11:02 PM |
They've already nuked his original Wikipedia page that I visited when he was elected, and replaced it with a new papal one.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | May 8, 2025 11:05 PM |
r101 it's time to give Mother her evening pills and get her ready for bed.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | May 8, 2025 11:06 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 106 | May 8, 2025 11:12 PM |
[quote]While the Americans in the crowd rejoiced at the naming of one of their own â âU.S.A.! U.S.A.!â some chanted â and received congratulations from the Italians who seemed bewildered by the unfamiliar face on the balcony, supporters of Francis expressed a sigh of relief.
Eugh, they just can't help themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | May 8, 2025 11:19 PM |
Disgusting and disappointing.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | May 8, 2025 11:20 PM |
Hush up, Lady Lindzebelle. Youâre not Catholic, and who is suppose to care what you think?
by Anonymous | reply 109 | May 8, 2025 11:21 PM |
Everyone should read that gifted NYT article, it has some great insight.
[quote]Alberto Melloni, a church historian, said that while Leo was clearly in Francisâ mold on his vision of a church moving closer to the people and being governed more from the bottom-up, on hot-button social issues, âhe kept his hands free.â
[quote]But as Francis showed, people change when they become pope: He was considered a conservative cardinal in native Argentina.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | May 8, 2025 11:24 PM |
Seems like a comprimise. Class aware for the liberals but hands off about social justice stuff for conservatives. Its a bit sad though when you have people busting a nut of him criticizing Vance but say nothing about him being against most of the lgbt advances put forward by Pope Francis. Anything to own MAGA I guess.....
by Anonymous | reply 111 | May 8, 2025 11:34 PM |
I would not be at all surprised if John Paul l was murdered. It happened so soon after his election and he was known to be heading into some very dicey territory. I mean why not? It's Italy baby.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | May 8, 2025 11:35 PM |
It's interesting how opposed the Italian cardinals were to Parolin, one of their own. That, and the betting odds being completely wrong, just goes to show that we really have no clue how the cliques in the Vatican operate. And new cardinals are appointed all the time and people get reshuffled to different positions, so power and influence changes all the time as well.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | May 8, 2025 11:38 PM |
JPI was beatified by Francis in 2022, despite only holding the papacy for 34 days. That's why I said in another thread you're virtually guaranteed sainthood if you get elected pope in modern times. If they found some poor suckers to come up with miracles during that short reign, you know damn well popes with longer reigns are a shoo-in.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | May 8, 2025 11:45 PM |
[quote] honorariams
Oh, dear!
It's honoraria.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | May 8, 2025 11:49 PM |
[quote] nope. His Italian is excellent.
His Italian is excellent.
But you're wrong.
He speaks with a thick American accent.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | May 9, 2025 12:00 AM |
[quote] If they found some poor suckers to come up with miracles during that short reign,
I think the miracles are supposed to start after death, actually, to prove their saintliness in heaven. I might be wrong, so if anybody knows for sure ...
Regardless, I agree with your overall comment that it is starting to look like some routine process, which even on its own terms it shouldn't be.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | May 9, 2025 12:04 AM |
He's biracial or half black according to the new Wiki information about his parents. Previously his mother was listed only as Spanish.
[QUOTE]His father was of Italian and French descent, while his mother was the daughter of Louisiana Creole parents, Joseph MartĂnez and Louise BaquiĂ©, from New Orleans, of African, French, and Spanish descent. MartĂnez was Afro-Haitian, and BaquiĂ© a Black Creole.[11][12][13][14]
by Anonymous | reply 118 | May 9, 2025 12:11 AM |
You are not questioning a Wiki change that is a few hues old?
by Anonymous | reply 119 | May 9, 2025 12:13 AM |
The word âCreoleâ has multiple meanings in a Louisiana context. It can refer to people of European descent who were born in the Americas. But it also commonly refers to mixed-race people of color.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | May 9, 2025 12:16 AM |
Damn, those must be some strong white genes because he doesn't look remotely POC.
r118 The big ones are carefully monitored, something of this sensitive nature wouldn't have been included if it wasn't easily verifiable.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | May 9, 2025 12:17 AM |
If accurate that would not make him âhalf-black.â
by Anonymous | reply 122 | May 9, 2025 12:18 AM |
Heâs not only American, heâs black, too? Thatâs awesome. I can see it in his cheekbones.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | May 9, 2025 12:19 AM |
Uh oh, does this mean we can't go back?
by Anonymous | reply 124 | May 9, 2025 12:22 AM |
Growing up watching Oprah, never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined we'd one day have a pope from that city. I mean, this is nuts!
by Anonymous | reply 125 | May 9, 2025 12:23 AM |
He left America in 2015. He must have known Trump would win the election and got out just in time!
by Anonymous | reply 126 | May 9, 2025 12:29 AM |
R119 - I'm not questioning. I'm celebrating that he is.
R120 - What about Black Creole like the entry?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | May 9, 2025 12:31 AM |
[quote]The first pope to use the name Leo, whose papacy ended in 461, met Attila the Hun and persuaded him not to attack Rome. The last Pope Leo led the Church from 1878 to 1903 and wrote an influential treatise on worker rights.
The first one met Attila! This is crazy, so much history in that place.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | May 9, 2025 12:34 AM |
I give it 3 months until guys start coming forward to discuss their "experiences" with this closeted queen. for it. Just a hunch but I feel it coming.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | May 9, 2025 12:47 AM |
Canât WAIT
by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 9, 2025 1:19 AM |
Lightweight Soda Pope.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 9, 2025 1:22 AM |
Heâs kind of dreamy.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | May 9, 2025 1:25 AM |
Agreed, he is handsome.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | May 9, 2025 1:32 AM |
The USA! USA! chant makes me want to hurl at the best of times but in this context itâs beyond inappropriate.
Itâs not the Olympic 400m menâs final FFS.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 9, 2025 1:35 AM |
[quote] boring name
I wanted to be Pope SharKeisha I, but the other cardinals said no.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | May 9, 2025 1:38 AM |
R117 You are correct. The new saint is supposed to have interceded with God so that he would do something miraculous, like curing incurable cancer. But you first must be beatified (one miracle, entitled to be called 'The Blessed') before being canonised (two miracles).
Also Albino Luciani (John Paul I) did have a fairly long and arguably holy life *before* becoming Pope, so there is plenty to look at if you want a good example....
by Anonymous | reply 136 | May 9, 2025 1:47 AM |
My first thought: the Boomers finally seize hold of the one global position of power that has so far eluded them.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 9, 2025 1:48 AM |
Otherwise: a US American is an interesting choice, particularly one with longstanding connections to Peru and now of Peruvian nationality. I like the nod to Leo XIV and Catholic social teaching. Hopefully Francis' reforms and gradual liberalisation and diversification of the church will be bedded in.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 9, 2025 1:55 AM |
Part-black American Catholic who opted into Peruvian society, now occupying the throne of St. Peter: a big fuck you to MAGA.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | May 9, 2025 2:02 AM |
Pope LEO.
Geez, of all the names he could have taken, he picks one the most American sounding name possible (yes, I realize in Eye-talian it's pronounced differently).
by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 9, 2025 2:23 AM |
Does he now automatically get God's real cell # and Insta?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 9, 2025 2:27 AM |
He looks kind in fhe picture R128 posted.
I wonder how much of this (meaning his election) had to do with trying to counteract Trump and Trumpism, in the same way that Trumpâs bluster has led to moderates winning offices in Canada and Europe?
Conservative American Catholics (with money) have become a major force in pushing against Pope Francisâ vision of âcompassionateâ Catholicism, and trying to get the church to become more reactionary, more of a tool of state repression like the Orthodox church in Russia, which American conservatives adore. Certainly Steve Bannon and JD Vance spent their time in Italy pushing for that. Our Supreme Court is now dominated by such morons. And I think Francis appointed (anointed) a lot of cardinals who would prevent that from happening. And it worked. And at 69, this pope could be around for 20 years, preventing the Catholic church from backsliding too far. Letâs hope.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | May 9, 2025 2:32 AM |
This is an intriguing comment I found on Bluesky earlier and forgot about until r142's post. I tend to agree with it.
[QUOTE]They made a Polish Cardinal the Pope to help bring down the Soviet Union. This is the same message to America.
The thought of a Communist/atheist superpower was anathema to the church. Trumpâs MAGA America vision is equally dystopian as the Soviet Union, or Russia now where the Orthodox church is used as a tool of the state to further Putin's evil intent. Human rights and Christ's teachings mean jack shit to these people.
The cardinals don't want further erosion and perversion of Catholicism/Christianity in the U.S. to become a mirror of what lies east of Rome. The potential is there. I honestly believe this is the cardinals intent.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 9, 2025 2:53 AM |
R54 No, you just leave. You are thinking of Islam.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | May 9, 2025 3:00 AM |
[quote] Geez, of all the names he could have taken, he picks one the most American sounding name possible (yes, I realize in Eye-talian it's pronounced differently).
I don't think you're making a persuasive argument--you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Leo XIV is named for the thirteen popes before him of that name, all of whom were Italian, and four of whom (starting with Leo I) were saints.
It's a Latin name coming from the Greek word for "lion.," and it will be pronounced at the Vatican in the Latin style. It's not originally an English name. It does not "sound American" (what does that even mean?).
by Anonymous | reply 145 | May 9, 2025 3:00 AM |
Leo is a Virgo
by Anonymous | reply 146 | May 9, 2025 3:05 AM |
He's probably a Messi fan, too.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | May 9, 2025 3:05 AM |
R64 This is the dumbest thing I've read all day.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | May 9, 2025 3:07 AM |
I was robbed! I demand and thereâs gonna be a recount!
by Anonymous | reply 149 | May 9, 2025 3:08 AM |
[quote]It's a Latin name coming from the Greek word for "lion" and it will be pronounced at the Vatican in the Latin style.
It's Leon in my language as well! That's why I made that mistake in the smoke watch thread when I hastily translated it from Latin. I think it sounds cooler than Leo.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | May 9, 2025 3:31 AM |
If he had chosen a name just to sound cool, he would have chosen Pope Fonzie.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | May 9, 2025 3:37 AM |
In many countries, Leo and Leon are two similar but different names. Their root in Greek for "lion" is the same, though.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | May 9, 2025 3:38 AM |
Yeah, we don't have Leo in mine, it's not a valid name, just Leon. We do have Lea though, for women.
Anyway, I'm more familiar with the Byzantine Leos than with the Latin popes. I really have to fire up that Pontifacts podcast I've been meaning to start for ages now, it's embarrassing I know so little about our neighbours post 476.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | May 9, 2025 4:07 AM |
Yeah, I just woke up and read he's already involved in a child sex abuse scandal. Not that he did it but that he covered it up. So, fucking disappointed. I'm not even Catholic so I don't know why I feel disappointed. Maybe because he's from Chicago and is a Cubs fan. I was pretty high when they announced it and was pretty happy about before I passed out for 10 hours. I should know people are never who they seem.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | May 9, 2025 4:33 AM |
R154, his brother said he's white Sox fan
by Anonymous | reply 155 | May 9, 2025 4:42 AM |
His Black mother was the Cubbies fan.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | May 9, 2025 4:47 AM |
[quote] US networks were treating it as some sort of weird combination of the Kentucky Derby, the Oscars, and the Indy 500
The good thing is that nowadays you can often bypass mediated coverage of these kinds of events. I started watching the Vatican's livestream on YouTube as soon as the news of the white smoke broke. Lots of crowd shots and then the unfolding of the presentation in real time without talking heads. (I didn't even realize he was American until someone messaged me ironic congratulations on being pope now.)
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 9, 2025 4:51 AM |
I am in Rome now and was at the Vatican yesterday just an hour before the white smoke appeared. I had already walked too far to head back to see the announcement. But the bells of all the churches were ringing nonstop. There were priests and friars literally running in the direction of the Vatican to make it to the announcement on time. It really felt like a very important moment. It was cool to experience it here as it happened.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 9, 2025 5:37 AM |
From friendâs balcony just outside the Vatican. She captured people running to see the new pope. I was a bit further away toward the Forum at that point. But there were priests running from even there to get there in time and thatâs over 2 miles away.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | May 9, 2025 5:45 AM |
The MAGA are spazzing out about the new pope! Laura Loomer is going SPASTIC and calling him anti-MAGA and anti-Trump. She probably thinks she can get Trump to fire him.
She's posted a lot of tweets about it but this is main one:
by Anonymous | reply 160 | May 9, 2025 5:51 AM |
Has anyone ever challenged Laura Loomer to define Marxism?
by Anonymous | reply 161 | May 9, 2025 5:59 AM |
Oopsâbut there is another, in FL
by Anonymous | reply 163 | May 9, 2025 6:16 AM |
The Pope is still relevant in the US, which is the most powerful country in the western world, so yes, this shit matters.
It is quite telling that big MAGA voices like Laura Loomer are already freaking out. They know he's going to eventually be a serious thorn in Trump's side (once the usual first meeting politeness is over with).
by Anonymous | reply 164 | May 9, 2025 6:27 AM |
What I donât get is that according to that NYT article the popeâs mom was born in 1912 BUT the pope was born in 1955. 43 year old women were having babies in 1955? His grandmother was 44 in 1912 when she had his mom. His grandfather was born in 1864. What 70 year old people today have grandparents born 161 years ago? That means his grandparents were alive during the last Pope Leo XIII. Crazy if true.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | May 9, 2025 6:30 AM |
Lies all lies.đ”âđ«
Nothing unusual at all. No birth control means random children.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | May 9, 2025 6:36 AM |
Do you know how many Catholic families had a surprise late-in-life child? Too many.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | May 9, 2025 6:40 AM |
Yes I get all of that r167. I am just surprised because I would consider a 35 year old woman in 1912 as a late in life pregnancy. I remember being a kid in the 80s and a 40 you old woman was considered old to be having kids. Hell, to this day after 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy. So a pregnant 44 year old woman in 1912 Louisiana must have looked like voodoo.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | May 9, 2025 6:49 AM |
R8- you do realize that you live in a bubble and the âpeople you knowâ is not an accurate sample of the overall population, right? There are 1.6 billion Catholics in the world. Itâs like saying ânone of my friends are Chinese so there are no Chinese people in the world.â
by Anonymous | reply 169 | May 9, 2025 7:22 AM |
R168 here. One thing I love about DL is that it can actually be an opportunity to educate yourself. I guess it wasnât all that uncommon for women, who had already had several children to have kids into their early 40s at the turn of the century.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | May 9, 2025 7:27 AM |
R49- exactly. Itâs like someone saying âI donât know anyone who watches NCIS so why is it a hit?â
by Anonymous | reply 171 | May 9, 2025 7:45 AM |
My atheist son (who did 12 years at a liberal episcopal school) was very saddened by Francisâs death - heâs visiting tomorrow so Iâm interested in getting his take on Leo.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | May 9, 2025 7:57 AM |
As I often have had cause to say on the DL - âjust because something is not in your experience doesnât mean that it never happenedâ.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | May 9, 2025 7:57 AM |
I think heâs pretty cute, by the way.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | May 9, 2025 8:52 AM |
[quote]a US American
That's redundant.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | May 9, 2025 9:47 AM |
[quote]you do realize that you live in a bubble and the âpeople you knowâ is not an accurate sample of the overall population, right? There are 1.6 billion Catholics in the world. Itâs like saying ânone of my friends are Chinese so there are no Chinese people in the world.â
That's not what I meant at all. Just saying that religious Catholics in the US are nowhere near what they once were.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | May 9, 2025 9:51 AM |
R170 I love DL because I can get untrained non-medical opinions about later-in-life turn of century biracial births from men who avoid vaginas.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | May 9, 2025 10:03 AM |
And the USA is the only place that matters, eh R176?
Welcome to the world of American parochialism, R169.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | May 9, 2025 10:03 AM |
r178 you're projecting. Just saying that in the US and Western Europe the Catholic Church aren't really relevant anymore.
Are there really gay men who are religious Catholics? Mind blowing.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | May 9, 2025 10:06 AM |
[quote]And the USA is the only place that matters, eh
[quote]Welcome to the world of American parochialism,
Don't forget Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all of Western Europe. Not terribly religious anymore.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | May 9, 2025 10:07 AM |
R160 yes the right might dislike him now but just wait until he does not come out in full support of gay marriage. Then he will be hated by lots more.
He could have a great impact on hunger peace the church etc etc etc but if he seen as less than fully supportive of Donald or gay marriage he is going to be hated.
We care about our one issue lots. The rest not so much.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | May 9, 2025 10:18 AM |
Just ignore r178. He's a nasty shit who does nothing but shit all over Americans and make nasty comments. He really doesn't add anything to this board at all. He's a miserable prick.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | May 9, 2025 10:19 AM |
R179, don't you know most of those priests and cardinals are gay???
by Anonymous | reply 183 | May 9, 2025 10:21 AM |
R165 that is very unusual and very disturbing in some ways. uncanny.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | May 9, 2025 10:23 AM |
R182 why would anyone here need you to tell them who to ignore? I get that itâs a PSA of sorts but do you think that others canât make up their own mind who to read and take seriously on their own?
by Anonymous | reply 185 | May 9, 2025 10:27 AM |
Daddy has South Side creds, bitch! Apparently, he's the one on the cell phone to the immediate left. And fuck y'all.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | May 9, 2025 10:29 AM |
JFC, gentlemen -- don't you know how bables are made? The man sticks his penis in a vagina, ejaculates (or close enough), the sperm meets the egg, and SURPRISE!! A BABY!!
There was no truly reliable method of birth control until the birth control pill became available in 1968. Before that, it was hard-to-find and embarrassing to buy condoms/foam and "the rhythm method," in which a woman counted the days from her last period to try to figure out if she was ovulating. Why do you think schools started teaching abstinence as a birth control method? That actually works!
Back in the day, the bottom line was, if you had heterosexual sex, you had kids, whether you wanted to or not. And if a woman was too old, she might die giving birth to them. Or they might have birth defects.
Some of you here are woefully ignorant about what people used to call "the birds and the bees." Sad.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | May 9, 2025 10:40 AM |
R187 did you find it embarrassing to but condoms and foam in the 1950s and 60s or is this based on a study?
by Anonymous | reply 188 | May 9, 2025 10:49 AM |
r187 or he's just fuck her up the ass.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | May 9, 2025 10:55 AM |
Catholics could have prevented pregnancy in 1958 ? to say that is silly. And Catholics did but condoms and foam.
My parents had kids when they wanted them then continued for years to have sex and had no kids. This is ancient history was back in the 50s-70s. It was a tiny house with thin walls those two were having sex. But despite being catholic and having sex no new babies.
Safe sex can prevent many things even in 1962
by Anonymous | reply 190 | May 9, 2025 11:14 AM |
He was good looking as a youth - half French-half Italian.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | May 9, 2025 11:29 AM |
Heâs not half French and half Italian. My god, pay attention.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | May 9, 2025 11:32 AM |
What is he?
by Anonymous | reply 193 | May 9, 2025 12:12 PM |
Ha. Butt-hurt people AROUND THE WORLD are claiming Shitler had something to do with his election. JEEZUS PETE!
by Anonymous | reply 194 | May 9, 2025 12:21 PM |
REALLY TIRED of everyone ohh-ing and ahhh-ing about (gasp) an AMERICAN who speaks fluent Italian and Spanish. For FUCK'S SAKE! Get OVER yourselves!
by Anonymous | reply 195 | May 9, 2025 12:23 PM |
R195 HAS LAID THE LAW DOWN AND USED LOTS OF caps DOING SO.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | May 9, 2025 12:29 PM |
R175
What is a person from Europe? A European What is a person from Asia? An Asian What is a person from the Americas? An American.
BAM!
by Anonymous | reply 197 | May 9, 2025 12:54 PM |
Leo, as a longtime resident of Peru, will know how to translate 'estadounidense'.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | May 9, 2025 12:55 PM |
Anyway, regarding 43 year old women and late births, there was also the phenomenon that a secret grandchild born to an eldest daughter sometimes got hushed up and presented as a late child.... it seems however that Leo has only brothers.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | May 9, 2025 12:57 PM |
r197 People from the United States are Americans. If someone says "I'm American" everybody in the entire world knows they are from the United States. I know you're just playing a smug game because nobody could be that stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | May 9, 2025 1:04 PM |
[quote]What is a person from the Americas? An American.
No, it doesn't work that way with people from the Americas. Sorry babe, but I didn't make the rules.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | May 9, 2025 1:05 PM |
To celebrate the installation of Pope Leo XIV I watched Spotlight last night.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | May 9, 2025 1:34 PM |
The bottom line, regardless of how âprogressiveâ on gay issues he is or is not, American MAGA Catholics are furious, in despair, up in arms over his selection.
Which is a good thing, period.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | May 9, 2025 2:05 PM |
R137 Trump is a boomer
by Anonymous | reply 204 | May 9, 2025 2:21 PM |
My fellow Americans are an embarrassment.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | May 9, 2025 2:29 PM |
America thinks for an American pope not to speak English it was terrible. Latin, Italian, Spanish, not a word of English. Like he is embarrassed. Or just as bad sucking up to the rest of the world. Peru and Rome can have him.
America is not happy
by Anonymous | reply 206 | May 9, 2025 2:39 PM |
R206 It's hard to tell if you're doing this on purpose or not.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | May 9, 2025 2:46 PM |
America seems much more obsessed with whether he's a Cubs fan or Sox fan and what kind of pizza he likes most.
English, shminglish.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | May 9, 2025 2:51 PM |
R201 It does if you speak Spanish, like most Americans.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | May 9, 2025 3:06 PM |
No it doesn't r209. "American" is universally recognized as a person from the United States. The United States of America is the full name of the country, and it's the only country with "America" in its name.
Nobody from Brazil, for example, would call themselves American or Brazilian American. You're just a bitter troll who enjoys stirring shit up.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | May 9, 2025 3:11 PM |
Still think we should've gone with Atlantis instead of America. We could be the People from Atlantis, and now the Pope is from Atlantis. Surely a Golden Age is upon us!
by Anonymous | reply 211 | May 9, 2025 3:22 PM |
R210 Well, I don't speak Portuguese, but I do speak Spanish, and I do know for a fact (because I've lived there) that people from Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas refers to themselves as 'Americanos' as distinct from 'Estadounidenses'. The closest translation into English from the latter is 'US Americans'. Ask your boy Leo, he knows this perfectly well.
Ironic how we're having this discussion in the middle of a thread bemoaning how parochial US Americans are..... ;)
by Anonymous | reply 212 | May 9, 2025 3:23 PM |
Well r212 that's great but "American" means a citizen of the US all over the world. Nobody would ask "which country in North or South America are you from?" when someone told them that they were American. Everybody knows what American means.
Nice try at hair splitting shit posting, though.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | May 9, 2025 3:26 PM |
[quote]Ironic how we're having this discussion in the middle of a thread bemoaning how parochial US Americans are..... ;)
Well the entire world must be parochial then because unlike one contrarian Euro queen who thinks he's oh-so-intelligent, American means United States to the entire world.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | May 9, 2025 3:27 PM |
R214 Oh, bitter! C'mon, let's make like Leo said and build bridges ;)
by Anonymous | reply 215 | May 9, 2025 3:30 PM |
Does anyone honestly think that a Canadian would call themself an American? Seriously?!?!
by Anonymous | reply 216 | May 9, 2025 3:41 PM |
R210 Maybe. But itâs not the only country with âUnited Statesâ in its name.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | May 9, 2025 3:43 PM |
Trumptard alert @ R206.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | May 9, 2025 3:54 PM |
So are you saying Mexican immigrants can start saying "I'm a citizen of Estados Unidos" r217? This changes everything.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | May 9, 2025 4:01 PM |
R218 I am so sorry. I thought for sure people would get it even those not that smart enough normally to get it. I certainly did not read the room properly I forgot where I was or that you were in the room where it happened
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by Anonymous | reply 220 | May 9, 2025 4:05 PM |
[quote] From friendâs balcony just outside the Vatican. She captured people running to see the new pope.
I hope she eventually let them go.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | May 9, 2025 4:06 PM |
I wonder what the gay clique at the Vatican makes of this new pope. Their group chat must be quite lively right now.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | May 9, 2025 4:16 PM |
Is it on Signal?
by Anonymous | reply 223 | May 9, 2025 4:19 PM |
Looks to me that other than maga and the Debbie Downers on the left most people are happy with this choice. Itâs been a long time since I have seen so much pure joy while watching CNN.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | May 9, 2025 4:22 PM |
r224 I also have a feeling it's not that bad of a pick, BUT let's wait and see what happens when he's inevitably asked about the gays. Might be three steps back from Francis, for all we know. I'm sure he'll try to evade the topic for as long as possible, but his future actions on same-sex blessings might speak louder than words.
In parallel to that, I'm also waiting to see how he acts on TLM in the States.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | May 9, 2025 4:26 PM |
[quote]Butt-hurt people AROUND THE WORLD are claiming Shitler had something to do with his election. JEEZUS PETE!
Well, he did have something to do with this electionâsame as with the elections in Canada and Australia.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | May 9, 2025 4:26 PM |
My two cents â Leo is acutely aware of the historic nature of his papacy and of America's perception around the world right now. So he will overcompensate to try and come across as impartial (no English in his address was just the first glimpse of that), at least in the initial couple of years and certainly for the duration of Trump's regime.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | May 9, 2025 4:32 PM |
His brother from Chicago gives strong "confirmed bachelor" vibes, so my gut tells me that he probably does not personally have anything against gays. The same brother says that his beliefs are very similar to Francis's, so one would hope that his progressive influence over the past several years would have imprinted on Leo.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | May 9, 2025 4:35 PM |
[quote]heâs not half French and half Italian. My god, pay attention.
I read someplace - the NYT? - that his maternal grandparents were Louisiana Creole, one was mixed race Afro-Haitian and the other mixed "Black Creole". Ladies and gents, we have our first "Black" Pope!
Close enough for me.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | May 9, 2025 4:39 PM |
His brother, John, believes he will follow the same path and papal agenda as his predecessor, Francis:
by Anonymous | reply 230 | May 9, 2025 4:55 PM |
As to late in life Catholic pregnancies - I have an uncle who is 16 years younger than my mother - he was born in 53, when my grandmother was 47.
On the other side of the coin her eldest daughter got married at 19, her eldest daughter got pregnant at 19, and her eldest daughter has a baby at 20 - so my grandma was a great-great-grandmother in her 80s, when some of her grandchildren were still in grade school.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | May 9, 2025 5:15 PM |
Some of my trans acquaintances are posting that they are calling him âPope Bobâ until the Church allows them, too, to take on a chosen name.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | May 9, 2025 5:22 PM |
I'm sure the demands of the 0.1% of the population are an absolute priority for the Vatican, historically a super flexible institution.
by Anonymous | reply 233 | May 9, 2025 5:27 PM |
R231 Which is more likely do you think: a 47 year old woman had a pregnancy..... or a 16 year old girl had a pregnancy?
by Anonymous | reply 234 | May 9, 2025 5:28 PM |
For R210: in the language of the European country where I live, America is called "the USA" and the people from there "US Americans". So people often use that when speaking English (they're not used to using America/American).
by Anonymous | reply 235 | May 9, 2025 5:30 PM |
I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol. They are asinine. Kate Bolduan on CNN was absolutely giddy and stupid in her interview with some clergy "expert" and the coverage has been shallow and superficial. They are shameful. Gale King seemed so coarse and out of touch interviewing his brother, and Chris Matthews compared him to Sherrod Brown. Personally I think he will continue to carry on Pope Francis's legacy and be inclusive. I hated John Paul's stern rigid conservative hypocrisy. I loved Francis for his loving nature and kindness. This Pope will have a different personality obviously but he will share Francis's perspective. And yes, the MAGA Catholics are shitting bricks. Good.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | May 9, 2025 6:03 PM |
[quote]What 70 year old people today have grandparents born 161 years ago?
Me. On my father's side.
On my mother's side, her sister in Italy had her first child at 20 and her last at 44. My great aunt had her first child at 19 and her last at 45 also. This was not at all unusual.
Even here in the US, my best friend's had a sister 16 years younger than him when his mom was 43. Irish Catholic family. Twelve kids.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | May 9, 2025 6:06 PM |
[quote]I read someplace - the NYT? - that his maternal grandparents were Louisiana Creole, one was mixed race Afro-Haitian and the other mixed "Black Creole". Ladies and gents, we have our first "Black" Pope!
Maternal grandfather born in Dominican Republic.
I thought he looked kind of like a kindly Indian uncle when he appeared in the balcony.
Give or take 12 thousand kilometres.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | May 9, 2025 6:21 PM |
[quote] I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol.
Erin Burnett was borderline hysterical in her grey cardigan yesterday.
Has every clergyman in America been interviewed?
by Anonymous | reply 239 | May 9, 2025 6:23 PM |
CNN even got Maria Shriver.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | May 9, 2025 6:24 PM |
R2:4 - Iâm very sure my mom and my aunt arenât my uncleâs real mother - though Iâm not denying that sort of thing did happen.
All my life my grandmother slept with her false teeth in, even though thatâs not what youâre supposed to do. She explained âwhen I had your uncle I was in a maternity ward for several days with all these twenty year olds - there was no way I was taking my teeth out around them!â
by Anonymous | reply 241 | May 9, 2025 7:02 PM |
[quote]I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol. They are asinine.
The American media are a bunch of superficial, sensationalist asswipes who wouldn't know real journalism if it lubed them up and fucked them all up the ass.
And I'm saying this as an American. Journalistic standards in American media have plummeted for many years now.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | May 9, 2025 7:04 PM |
He's an Augustinian priest.
Aren't Augustinians where Jesuit rejects go?
by Anonymous | reply 243 | May 9, 2025 7:18 PM |
[quote]Cardinal Robert Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV, is viewed as a centrist, who holds both liberal and conservative positions
I wonder how this will play out.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | May 9, 2025 7:27 PM |
I think the Italian cardinals have gotten used to non-Italian popes by now and actually prefer them. He does his own things out there in the world and leaves them alone in the Vatican to do their own thang. An Italian pope would be constantly up in their business.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | May 9, 2025 7:30 PM |
"I wonder how this will play out."
If you're hoping gay marriage or even gay rights to be sanctioned by the Church, I wouldn't hold my breath.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | May 9, 2025 7:32 PM |
Well no time soon r246, but I have a feeling the softening toward us will continue. Little compromises here and there, nothing terribly wonderful or dramatic, but slowly even the Church changes. Hating us just isn't as acceptable as it once was, at least in the West, and despite all those Third World Catholics, the West still sets a tone on things like this.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | May 9, 2025 7:36 PM |
A rather florid-looking Timothy Cardinal Dolan putting a brave face on it.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | May 9, 2025 7:56 PM |
Itâs time to move the Holy See to the New World, as the selection of this pope and the last one shows. If they really want to keep Rome/Vatican City for sentimental reasons, then maybe establish a second capital in the U.S., like what was done with Byzantium.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | May 9, 2025 7:57 PM |
I like how Cardinal Dolan is willing to be frank and honest in saying that itâs despite being from the Chicago area that Pope Leo is decent and honest.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | May 9, 2025 8:00 PM |
R244 Francis was only kind of liberal - for a Catholic priest. He had a public face of âlive and let liveâ and knew that normal people do not want a church leader raining fire and brimstone, lecturing them about theology and tut-tutting about the millions of way they are not perfect Christians. His best move was to spiritual support in a cold, economic rationalist world. So he pushed for female deacons, didnât screech about the evils of homosexuality, blessed animals, showed concern for climate change and supported societyâs most vulnerable. But doctrinally, Francis was pretty much by the book. I mean, he was a priest.
Leo may well be doctrinally and socially similar, but less warm and congenial. He is a math geek and a talented administrator, so I imagine we will see a drier personality.
by Anonymous | reply 251 | May 9, 2025 8:12 PM |
[quote]For [R210]: in the language of the European country where I live, America is called "the USA" and the people from there "US Americans". So people often use that when speaking English (they're not used to using America/American).
What? I'm curious to know what country you're living in. I have never heard of such a thing.
In Italy, where I lived a few decades, people from the USA are known as "Americani". Canadians: "Canadesi". Mexicans: "Mexicani" and so on.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | May 9, 2025 9:15 PM |
^ Messicani
by Anonymous | reply 253 | May 9, 2025 9:16 PM |
R248 Dolan is having his moment! He will not stop talking. He's every here.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | May 9, 2025 10:06 PM |
R245 according to the Italian press, it was after the third vote that Parolin called in his chits with the Italian cardinals to back Provost, who was closer to 2/3.
Thereâs an article, in Italian, at Corriera della Sera site.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | May 9, 2025 10:49 PM |
[quote]Heâs giving me Benedict vibes.
Well, it's hard to say - Benedict had that sour german look about him, but this guy has a kind face. But Frances wasn't afraid to kick the hornet's nest in regards to criticizing (if obliquely) world leaders, so it will be interesting to see what position this guy takes: shit stirrer or Santa in a satin gown
by Anonymous | reply 256 | May 9, 2025 11:02 PM |
I get good vibes from this guy. Unlike other American cardinals like Chaput and Dolan, Prevost didn't spend a lot time on American golf courses hob-knobbing with rich assholes like Trump.
by Anonymous | reply 257 | May 9, 2025 11:33 PM |
He was too busy coddling sex criminals
by Anonymous | reply 258 | May 9, 2025 11:35 PM |
[quote] Itâs time to move the Holy See to the New World, as the selection of this pope and the last one shows. If they really want to keep Rome/Vatican City for sentimental reasons, then maybe establish a second capital in the U.S., like what was done with Byzantium.
What a great idea! Let's move it to Palm Beach!
by Anonymous | reply 259 | May 9, 2025 11:48 PM |
More secrets revealed on the votingâthey like to talk
by Anonymous | reply 260 | May 10, 2025 12:14 AM |
Does this mean The Vatican will become the 51st state? We could use the bucks.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | May 10, 2025 12:33 AM |
Lo siento for the repeat
by Anonymous | reply 264 | May 10, 2025 6:18 AM |
To those watching closely, Prevost ticked every quiet box. Born in the US, shaped by decades of missionary work in Peru, and fluent in English, Spanish and Italian, Prevost offered doctrinal orthodoxy paired with pastoral sensitivity. To outsiders, he had no obvious campaign, no crude media push. But he was known â and trusted.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | May 10, 2025 6:20 AM |
Will he be a homophobe ? We can wonder where this pope will stand on weekend PnP boys bb and popper get togethers. Most likely like those who came before he will not be in favor..
by Anonymous | reply 266 | May 10, 2025 10:11 AM |
Thanks for posting that SMH article, very illuminating.
[quote]To those watching closely, Prevost ticked every quiet box. Born in the US
That's the one box he didn't tick, it actively worked against him at the start.
[quote]But Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York was all smiles after the announcement, again playing the role of kingmaker. Dolan, who had backed Jorge Mario Bergoglio in 2013, played a similar role this time, but with greater intent. According to those in the know, in the days leading up to the conclave, the American â who is generally seen as orthodox and conservative â moved behind the scenes to unify a fractured US bloc. He brought together progressive cardinals such as Robert McElroy and Wilton Gregory with conservatives including Daniel DiNardo.
I HATE everything about this. What the fuck is Dolan getting in return from Prevost? He basically has him to thank for becoming pope. Eugh, this fucking timeline.
[quote]Inside the conclave the conservative African bloc never coalesced, weakened by the influence of Francis-era appointments.
Love this, though!
by Anonymous | reply 267 | May 10, 2025 10:14 AM |
Dolan gets to flex. That is all, for the Archbishop of NY.
âIf you canât be an athlete, be an athletic supporter.â
by Anonymous | reply 268 | May 10, 2025 10:17 AM |
[quote]Even the black smoke after the first round was delayed, he revealed, by an unexpectedly long speech from a 91-year-old cardinal.âIt was splendid stuff,â Nichols told the UKâs Telegraph. âBut it had been suggested that it would be half an hour at most.â
We speculated on DL something like this was going on. Some old fogey close to death just couldn't miss the opportunity to make it all about HIM.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | May 10, 2025 10:18 AM |
âThat's the one box he didn't tick, it actively worked against him at the start.â. Clearly notâŠduh
by Anonymous | reply 270 | May 10, 2025 10:18 AM |
Thatâs the one thing that does not sound rightâŠno cardinal over 80 even had a vote.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | May 10, 2025 10:19 AM |
[quote]But in secular and progressive Catholic outlets, including The New York Times and The National Catholic Reporter, Prevostâs multilingualism, diplomatic finesse, and consensus-building credentials have been painted as a virtue.
The NYT is a Catholic outlet? How am I just finding out about that now?
by Anonymous | reply 272 | May 10, 2025 10:20 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 273 | May 10, 2025 10:23 AM |
[quote]Asked whether the new pope might serve as a counterweight to current US politics, Dolan demurred: âHeâs a bridge-builder, thatâs what the word pontiff means.â
[quote]And as Leo XIV stepped into the light, Dolan stood near him, the strategist behind the smoke in a conclave where power moved not through noise, but through quiet consensus.
And of course the article ends with Dolan as well. I feel like he just installed his own puppet at the Vatican, Lord help us all.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | May 10, 2025 10:24 AM |
[quote]Clearly notâŠduh
AT THE START, bitch. Learn how to read the full thing before commenting.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | May 10, 2025 10:25 AM |
[quote]Before the conclave, he messaged his old friend: âI think youâd make a wonderful pope, but I hope for your sake it doesnât happen.â Prevostâs response: âThereâs no chance. Iâm American.â
He knew it worked against him going into the conclave, but his other strengths managed to overcome it in that initial first vote already, which was surprisingly strong thanks to Dolan.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | May 10, 2025 10:28 AM |
It sounds more like it had to do more with a united front of Latin American cardinals for Provost, and then Parolin called in his votes for him. Are you all sure Dolan isn't exaggerating his role and injecting himself into things he was never involved with? It's not like anyone is going to call him out on it and Dolan's a major self-promoter.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | May 10, 2025 10:39 AM |
R237, what year were your grandparents born?
by Anonymous | reply 278 | May 10, 2025 11:08 AM |
So is he black, given the One Drop Rule created by white people?
by Anonymous | reply 279 | May 10, 2025 11:20 AM |
[quote]Are there really gay men who are religious Catholics? Mind blowing.
Your mind must be easily blown. There are gay men who are Catholic priests.
Do you live under a rock? Or are you just so committed to your too-cool hot take that you don't know any actual Catholics that you're just doubling down on the absurdity?
by Anonymous | reply 280 | May 10, 2025 11:49 AM |
Living in Rome and seeing priest all the time, I just assume they are all gay. They all read very gay with few exceptions.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | May 10, 2025 12:03 PM |
I posted this in the other thread, too, but that whole Dolan as King-maker thing reads like a PR piece.
But full disclosure -I can't be fair about Dolan because I dislike him.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | May 10, 2025 12:20 PM |
When we visited the Vatican we noticed that a lot of the priests or whatever they are in the long black robes walked through St. Peterâs in the same fast paced subtly swishy way.
They havenât had an Italian pope in 47 years, since the short-timer JP I. Up to that time they were all Italian. Since God guides the Cardinals in choosing the papal father I wonder why HE gave up on Italians.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | May 10, 2025 12:34 PM |
They were not "all Italian" before JPI.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | May 10, 2025 12:36 PM |
Damn, I looked back a few centuries and thatâs what I saw. I knew I should have asked AI. Thanks for the correction.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | May 10, 2025 12:39 PM |
[quote]I knew I should have asked AI.
Christ we are doomed.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | May 10, 2025 12:50 PM |
"I should have asked AI" when this took 3 seconds on Wikipedia.
AI is just going to regurgitate all the dumb replies like yours saying "there were no non-Italians before JP I." Actual research is still a thing, hon. Use your brain for once.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | May 10, 2025 12:54 PM |
God wanted an American pope and not a Dutch one Who are we to understand the almighty.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | May 10, 2025 1:56 PM |
r280 I really don't know any gay men who are Catholic or religious at all. Maybe it's an East Coast thing. I dunno.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | May 10, 2025 2:16 PM |
Dutch are too cunty.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | May 10, 2025 2:17 PM |
R290 but I have seen Catholic Churches there and out in the open. Who ever said that all the Dutch Catholic Churches were hiding in attics was just wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | May 10, 2025 2:25 PM |
La Repubblica called him âthe least American of Americansâ, more shaped by Peru than by Washington. His moderate tone and global experience echoed aspects of Francis, without mimicking his style.
A quadrilingual cleric with global experience is not your typical American? No shit. Oh, and fuck off La Repubblica for your superfluous dig, and I'm no MAGAt.
On another note, I don't know why the poster who is surprised by Prevost's old mom is getting pushback. He didn't say it was impossible, but a woman giving birth at 47 is rare. When my mother had her last child in 1962 at the age of 34 people asked her if the birth was an accident.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | May 10, 2025 2:55 PM |
[quote]what year were your grandparents born?
R278 - I'm not exactly sure. My father was adopted, and I was never able to find out my grandparents' names. However, knowing my father was born in the 1880s, they were easily born in the 1860s if not before.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | May 10, 2025 3:09 PM |
[quote] The pontiff earlier laid out the vision of his papacy Saturday, identifying artificial intelligence as one of the most critical matters facing humanity and vowing to continue with some of the core priorities of Pope Francis.
[quote]In his first formal audience, Leo repeatedly cited Francis and the Argentine popeâs own 2013 mission statement, making clear a commitment to making the Catholic Church more inclusive and attentive to the faithful and a church that looks out for the âleast and rejected.â
by Anonymous | reply 294 | May 10, 2025 3:22 PM |
Until WW2 about 60% of the Netherlands was protestant (Calvinist) and 35% Catholic (Mostly in the south and around Utrecht. Now more than half the population have no religion and about 20% are Catholic and Protestant are about 15%.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | May 10, 2025 3:43 PM |
The Sun-Times went with "Da Pope!" as the P1 hed.
(I don't know who this tweeter is but he's followed by the pope.)
by Anonymous | reply 296 | May 10, 2025 4:00 PM |
And the Dutch still have active functioning mass holding Catholic Churches still hiding in an attic. I have been in one.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | May 10, 2025 4:02 PM |
The Dutch and their damn attics!
by Anonymous | reply 298 | May 10, 2025 4:10 PM |
[quote]Aren't Augustinians where Jesuit rejects go?
Here we go.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | May 10, 2025 4:20 PM |
I sense evil in this man. His family says he was "sensitive"---which is old timey slang for GAY. And he was focused on YOUTH MINISTRIES?... That tells me everything I need to know. Not kidding. I once knew a freak who got involved with youth ministries. The FBI showed up at his door with a search warrant after multiple accusers spoke up.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | May 10, 2025 4:57 PM |
[quote]His family says he was "sensitive"---which is old timey slang for GAY. And he was focused on YOUTH MINISTRIES?
So you're saying gay men are suspect around children? You might be on the wrong website.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | May 10, 2025 6:19 PM |
R281, read In The Closet of the Vatican, itâs great stuff. Cardinals are the alpha queens.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | May 10, 2025 6:30 PM |
Wow R293, your father was born in 1880. How old are you?
by Anonymous | reply 303 | May 10, 2025 6:35 PM |
Don't sense evil but Rob seems very tightly wound and a bit of a cold fish .He may just be an introvert (strange quality in a Pope) Already miss the avuncular warmth & spontenaity of Jorge.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | May 10, 2025 6:38 PM |
Just what the world needs another American sociopath.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | May 10, 2025 6:39 PM |
Prior to conclave, Sister Rose Pacatte geeked out over meeting Nora Roberts and made her prediction.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | May 10, 2025 6:46 PM |
Brother of Pope jokes about giving his brother nookie.
Definatley Murican
by Anonymous | reply 309 | May 10, 2025 6:48 PM |
The brothers are milking it a bit too much already.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | May 10, 2025 6:52 PM |
How can you tell the pope is American?
Because the current owner of his childhood home already jacked up the selling price for 500%.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | May 10, 2025 6:55 PM |
nookie r309? What are they, the Menendez brothers? I think you mean NOOGIE.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | May 10, 2025 7:03 PM |
R312 I think you need to Google: Sarcasm CAPS FRAU.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | May 10, 2025 7:07 PM |
Where is the irony in the use of sex between two brothers to show contempt for America in the post R313? I think you need to google SARCASM and explain to me where it is in r309âs post. And Iâll capitalize WHATEVER the fuck I want. Itâs how you convey tone, you bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | May 10, 2025 9:28 PM |
R314 do you work on being a trite bore or does it come to you NATURALLY hon?
by Anonymous | reply 315 | May 10, 2025 9:49 PM |
Stop it boys, you're being mean. This is a thread about the Pope.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | May 10, 2025 9:55 PM |
Thought it was thread about the POPE.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | May 10, 2025 10:23 PM |
poPe..get it write.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | May 10, 2025 10:34 PM |
R303 - I'm 69. My father was already retired when I was born.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | May 10, 2025 11:19 PM |
Any relation to Marie?
[quote]Prevost died on January 21, 1937, at the age of 40, evidently from the combination of acute alcoholism and malnutrition stemming from anorexia nervosa. Her body was not discovered until January 23 after neighbors complained about her dog's incessant barking. A houseboy found her body after entering her room. Police found several empty liquor bottles in the room along with a promissory note to Joan Crawford for $110.
by Anonymous | reply 320 | May 10, 2025 11:42 PM |
I'll get banned again but you know he's tasted boy ass over and over again. What happened to the days when Popes had semi-secret wives and hordes of illegitimate kids?
by Anonymous | reply 321 | May 11, 2025 12:10 AM |
It's typical Dolan to over inflate his roles and exaggerate his influence after the fact. He is shameless. I doubt seriously whether he said three words to Cardinal Prevost before the Conclave. In fact in one interview he actually seemed dismissive...until the election.
by Anonymous | reply 322 | May 11, 2025 12:52 AM |
R320, I'm ashamed to say that's the first thing I thought of when he was announced. Although I thought her name was Provost. I guess Nick Lowe misled me.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | May 11, 2025 1:02 AM |
[quote]I'll get banned again but you know he's tasted boy ass over and over again.
You *should* be banned for making such a stupid comment.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | May 11, 2025 1:31 AM |
Look at him at Francis tomb today. Can't put my finger on it but something is very off putting about Pope Bob.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | May 11, 2025 2:23 AM |
Pope Leo is obviously on the Spectrum people!
by Anonymous | reply 326 | May 11, 2025 2:25 AM |
Boys and priests? Well I never!
by Anonymous | reply 329 | May 11, 2025 3:35 AM |
what I found off putting was the noise and the talking and the cameras and all that shit when the Pope went into the basilica to pay respects and to pray at Papa Franciscus's tomb. I hope things settle down for the Pope in the sense that he can do what he was chosen to do and be the spiritual leader of 1.4 billion Catholics and others who may be influenced by him. The media disgusts me.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | May 11, 2025 4:08 AM |
So R319 your father was 76 years old when you were born in 1956?
by Anonymous | reply 331 | May 11, 2025 4:20 AM |
r325 did we watch the same footage? He wasn't offputting. Pope Benny OTOH...yeesh.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | May 11, 2025 4:24 AM |
I think he looks pretty good on the video at R325 - he seems to be handling the whole scene pretty well, considering how overwhelming it must be.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | May 11, 2025 4:30 AM |
Papists are always good for a laugh.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | May 11, 2025 5:04 AM |
R330 'all that shit" is part of the job. Francis is a hard act to follow. Bob needs to up his game.
by Anonymous | reply 335 | May 11, 2025 5:07 AM |
You *should* be burned for making such a stupid comment.
fixed for Papist fanatic R324
by Anonymous | reply 336 | May 11, 2025 5:11 AM |
[QUOTE]what I found off putting was the noise and the talking and the cameras and all that shit when the Pope went into the basilica to pay respects and to pray at Papa Franciscus's tomb.
Yet he did, and managed his own notable name, the last Leo XIII who railed against new industrial capitalism when humans kept getting mulched over and over, AGAIN!
by Anonymous | reply 337 | May 11, 2025 5:39 AM |
R300 â I sense evilâ you knew someone? A freak That settles it for me if you actually knew someone
I knew of a small group of gay men that would lure other gay men to a house , drug them, and then inject them with syringes full of HIV+ blood.
I can sense evil as well
Those men being Dutch was in no way an excuse for their behavior. Letâs all generalize because we know some freaks?
by Anonymous | reply 338 | May 11, 2025 11:27 AM |
[quote]VATICAN CITY (AP) â Pope Leo XIV called for a genuine and just peace in Ukraine and an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, in his first Sunday noon blessing as pontiff that featured some symbolic gestures suggesting a message of unity in a polarized Catholic Church.
[quote]âI too address the worldâs great powers by repeating the ever-present call ânever again war,ââ Leo said from the loggia of St. Peterâs Basilica to an estimated 100,000 people below.
by Anonymous | reply 339 | May 11, 2025 12:07 PM |
I think I love him
by Anonymous | reply 340 | May 11, 2025 2:46 PM |
Ooooh daddy
by Anonymous | reply 341 | May 11, 2025 5:58 PM |
Good luck with that.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | May 11, 2025 7:58 PM |
"Genuine and just peace" in Ukraine sounds like a more anti-Russian position than Francis had, who if I remember right signaled willingness to let Russia keep conquered areas for the sake of peace. No peace without justice.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | May 11, 2025 10:05 PM |
Charisma of toe nail fungus.
by Anonymous | reply 344 | May 11, 2025 11:18 PM |
R339 Who the hell does the translation for the AP???
'May the fire cease immediately'????
by Anonymous | reply 345 | May 11, 2025 11:29 PM |
Thatâs European English for ya!
by Anonymous | reply 346 | May 12, 2025 12:03 AM |
I think Rob, the new pope, and and his middle brother, John, are gay.
The new pope used to say Mass and give out communion using his mother's ironing board as an altar when he was six. And middle bother, John, is a retired principal of a Catholic high school.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | May 12, 2025 1:11 AM |
And that makes them gay? Dunce.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | May 12, 2025 1:28 AM |
R348. Yes, that makes them gay. It doesn't take much.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | May 12, 2025 1:48 AM |
[Quote]As to late in life Catholic pregnancies - I have an uncle who is 16 years younger than my mother - he was born in 53, when my grandmother was 47.
I think there's a more than reasonable chance that what you have there is actually a brother, not an uncle.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | May 12, 2025 2:07 AM |
The AP article seems to care quite a bit about Leo's fashion choices.
Will GQ being doing a cover story soon?
by Anonymous | reply 352 | May 12, 2025 2:11 AM |
Gangsters Quarterly
by Anonymous | reply 353 | May 12, 2025 2:23 AM |
Clerical social media is hilarious. They donât preach hellfire and brimstone, but to a person 1) tweet out random prayers, 2) cheer on sports teams 3) are customarily bitchy.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | May 12, 2025 6:16 AM |
I have now seen multiple social media posts complaining that as an American, Leo should have made his first pronouncements and celebrated his first mass in English (one person even called it âAmerican Englishâ, whatever that is).
Not really getting the whole Latin as the language of the Vatican and Italian as the language of Italy concept.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | May 12, 2025 6:52 AM |
Latin is not the language of the VaticanâItalian is. No one speaks Latin in the ordinary course, they read Latin (sometimes out loud).
So many stupid people hereâŠ
by Anonymous | reply 357 | May 12, 2025 7:01 AM |
Well, it turns out the Florida brother is a MAGAt. Quelle surprise...
I can see why he's closer with John.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | May 12, 2025 7:13 AM |
R357 -Where did you get that idea from? Latin is the "official" language of the Vatican and is used in the primary documents rendered. Day-to-day activities are conducted in Italian.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | May 12, 2025 7:41 AM |
R357 I thought your post was OK but someone smarter suggested your post was stupid thus proving your point about DL being full of stupid
Its great to see people agree on something here
by Anonymous | reply 360 | May 12, 2025 7:58 AM |
One of the stupid people being you, R357.
Youâre American, arenât you?
by Anonymous | reply 361 | May 12, 2025 11:15 AM |
R357 USA! USA! USA!
by Anonymous | reply 362 | May 12, 2025 11:17 AM |
The late Father Reginald Foster, who was American, most definitely spoke Latin in the Vatican and vehemently pushed spoken Latin.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | May 12, 2025 11:21 AM |
I'm already missing Francis and I'm not even Catholic. Bring him back!
This guy just doesn't measure up, he's gonna bring endless drama (see: his brother) as we all could sense an American pope would.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | May 12, 2025 11:25 AM |
R363 one priest, now dead?! Got it.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | May 12, 2025 11:30 AM |
R361 if you think Vatican officials, bureaucrats and staff spend their days talking and chatting in LatinâŠ.well, I pity you.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | May 12, 2025 11:32 AM |
R359 can you read? Your link lays it out, as I noted:
by Anonymous | reply 367 | May 12, 2025 11:39 AM |
Shilling Bob as the "Calm Pope" because Francis was such a hysterical drama kween.
by Anonymous | reply 368 | May 12, 2025 12:26 PM |
I'm looking at the MAGA brother's Facebook page. His facebook postings are much worse than what the Daily Beast reported. The brother posted misogynist memes about Kamala Harris leading up to the election and imo that the shit he posted about Harris is worse than the Pelosi stuff reported the in Daily Beast. HuffPo also ran an article about the brother's Facebook activities and they just mention the Pelosi stuff, conspiracy theory crap about Obama, and things about trans kids. HuffPo like The Daily Beast isn't reporting on the things he posted about Harris. There were also plenty of hateful posts about Biden as well.
by Anonymous | reply 369 | May 12, 2025 1:09 PM |
The moment they said he had a brother in Florida and the news Media seemed to focus on the other nice brother, I knew this one had to be a MAGAt.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | May 12, 2025 1:37 PM |
If he's a true MAGAt he will not be impressed with his brother being Pope since they hated Francis for being a "commie Liberal" and Pope Leo obviously reveres and loved Francis. I don't recall any other Pope visiting the grave of his immediate predecessor to pray. I like Leo. He's not going to have an easy time with the Media who will insist on emphasizing his American roots.
by Anonymous | reply 371 | May 12, 2025 1:40 PM |
[quote]I don't recall any other Pope visiting the grave of his immediate predecessor to pray. I like Leo.
They all do, it's tradition. Although it took Francis a couple of weeks.
by Anonymous | reply 372 | May 12, 2025 1:52 PM |
Interesting article I found from 2007.
[quote]Soon after his election to the pontificate on April 19, 2005, Benedict XVI was invited by Fr. Robert Prevost, Prior General of the Augustinian order, to come and venerate the remains of St. Augustine which are conserved in the Basilica of San Pietro in Cieldoro, in Pavia. Having accepted invitation, the Holy Father will visit the Basilica where he will light a votive candle before the Saint's casket in perennial memory of his visit.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | May 12, 2025 1:54 PM |
Probably because the remains were rediscovered under one of the previous Benedicts (twice removed).
[quote]In 1695, the bones believed to be St. Augustine's were rediscovered in the wall of the Church of San Pietro in Ciel d'Oro, where they had been hidden for centuries. Following this rediscovery, Pope Benedict XIII directed the Bishop of Pavia to conduct a strict examination. The Bishop concluded that, in his opinion, the bones were indeed those of St. Augustine.
by Anonymous | reply 374 | May 12, 2025 2:01 PM |
Not feeling as hopeful as last week. He seems to be a lot more conservative than Francis, especially towards LGBT.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | May 12, 2025 2:07 PM |
Post-nut clarity, r375. I feel the same way.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | May 12, 2025 2:14 PM |
Well, as much as I admired Francis, I like Leo's attitude toward Ukraine much more. Francis said Ukraine should not be afraid to wave the white flag... probably his lowest moment in my eyes.
Today Leo also called for the release of imprisoned journalists.
And the fact that he went out of his way to shame JD Vance was the cherry on top.
by Anonymous | reply 377 | May 12, 2025 2:14 PM |
It's as if people here don't have a MAGA sibling, parent, or close relative. My sister isn't full-on MAGA, but she definitely voted for him. Almost everyone I know (except for my black friends) have a MAGA relative, often siblings. It means nothing. Not about us or the Pope. So many here trying to trash the guy, or spread doom and gloom. Let his actions speak and then we'll see.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | May 12, 2025 2:19 PM |
I don't know what his current stance is on LGBT overall. I see he said something in 2012 which has been reported over and over and over again. Anything more recent would be helpful.
But really, I'll wait to see what he says and does as pope before getting discouraged.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | May 12, 2025 2:19 PM |
The brother's Facebook has tons of memes bitching about "illegals" and how they should all be deported and in one meme he states that they should be flown out of the country. There also posts that have Islamphobic undertones in reference to Illhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. He also posted a meme of AI generated pic of Kamala Harris standing near a "Haitian Grill Restaurant" with animals around. That is pretty hateful and racist.
Last Thursday, Charlie Kirk posted on Facebook that Pope Leo is a registered Republican which media outlets reported on. But, that doesn't really mean shit when it comes to MAGA. There have been some Republicans who have loathed Trump since the beginning for different reasons. Pope Leo is clearly conservative on LGBT issues, but he seems to follow Pope Francis' beliefs of helping the poor, migrants, and workers. He doesn't seem to be a fan of Trump or Vance. He's not going to be another Francis type. He will likely be a centrist.
by Anonymous | reply 380 | May 12, 2025 2:22 PM |
Why are you considering the Pope through the fractured view of domestic U.S. politics? Thatâs not how the Church works. What a waste of time.
By the way, do youâre own damn research; Prevost was registered to vote in IL, which doesnât even have party-specific registration.
by Anonymous | reply 381 | May 12, 2025 2:41 PM |
your*
by Anonymous | reply 382 | May 12, 2025 2:42 PM |
Nobody said that, R366, but the official language is the official language.
by Anonymous | reply 383 | May 12, 2025 4:55 PM |
Keep diggingâŠ^
by Anonymous | reply 384 | May 12, 2025 5:06 PM |
r379 Let us wring our hands a bit, it's so much fun.
by Anonymous | reply 385 | May 12, 2025 5:08 PM |
The friggin' pope speaking in American English makes me want to wake up into an actual reality because the current one is surely just a cruel jape.
by Anonymous | reply 387 | May 12, 2025 6:38 PM |
His Holinessâ brother Louis has now been outed as a Trumptard.
by Anonymous | reply 388 | May 12, 2025 6:55 PM |
Do catch up â-we all know
by Anonymous | reply 389 | May 12, 2025 6:57 PM |
r388 Good luck to the people trying to cancel him, that's all I'm gonna say. If the trannies couldn't cancel Francis after he compared them to nukes...
by Anonymous | reply 390 | May 12, 2025 6:58 PM |
Do fuck right off R389,, we also know youâre a worthless cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 391 | May 12, 2025 7:32 PM |
[QUOTE][R359] can you read? Your link lays it out, as I noted:
Keep choking that chicken.
by Anonymous | reply 392 | May 12, 2025 7:45 PM |
R390, criticizing people isn't canceling them.
by Anonymous | reply 393 | May 12, 2025 7:48 PM |
True, but the implied end goal with these kinds of exposés is usually a cancellation. Which obviously isn't happening in this case.
We just have to hope he's nothing like his disturbed brother. In the best case scenario, Leo will be informed of this drama and will try to overcompensate by leaning into the anti-MAGA sentiment. Although I'd be fine with him ignoring the US for the next four years as well. Just pretend it doesn't exist.
by Anonymous | reply 394 | May 12, 2025 7:53 PM |
I don't care whether the brother posts MAGA crap. Robert Prevost is pope. I care about what he says, not the brother.
Many of us here have MAGA relatives and/or friends. It doesn't mean we hold the same views.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | May 12, 2025 7:57 PM |
The problem might be that he came out of left field and hasn't done anything as pope (yet). But we need a narrative about high-profile individuals immediately, to tell us where they stand vis-Ă -vis MAGA. Someone in another thread commented that this comes from the need to filter everything through the lens of American politics. Doubly so now because the pope is also an American.
I think we'll soon see he's pretty benign and we'll all unclench. I hope so, at least.
by Anonymous | reply 396 | May 12, 2025 8:05 PM |
The fact that he criticized JD Vance is all I need to know. I didn't even need to know that - the fact that he voluntarily left the US to work in rural Peru for many years tells me he's not MAGA. That seems pretty obvious to me.
by Anonymous | reply 397 | May 12, 2025 8:32 PM |
I think there are enough clues in his social media and his statements over the past several days to show that he is decidedly not MAGA.
by Anonymous | reply 398 | May 12, 2025 8:35 PM |
R397 he criticized Vance on the Johnny-come-lately-Catholicâs public misrepresentation of a basic point in Catholic theology.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | May 12, 2025 8:42 PM |
Itâs crazy you queens obsessing over this man. You think the Catholic Church actually affects any policy that touches your life? Leo has about as much influence as King Charles. Whether he loves or hates gays is not going to affect your life one iota.
by Anonymous | reply 400 | May 12, 2025 8:53 PM |
[quote] There also posts that have Islamphobic undertones in reference to Illhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. He also posted a meme of AI generated pic of Kamala Harris standing near a "Haitian Grill Restaurant" with animals around. That is pretty hateful and racist.
Is he a DLer?
by Anonymous | reply 401 | May 12, 2025 8:58 PM |
In one of the videos Louis talked about ribbing his little brother for being "so holy" when they were kids. They must have been like Goofus and Gallant.
by Anonymous | reply 402 | May 12, 2025 9:02 PM |
[quote] In the best case scenario, Leo will be informed of this drama and will try to overcompensate by leaning into the anti-MAGA sentiment.
R394 This is kind of a provincial attitude.
Gee, the actual POPE better signal some Blue State virtue to make sure heâs not coming over as MAGA-adjacent! You know, like she-devil Susan Sarandon!
by Anonymous | reply 403 | May 12, 2025 9:03 PM |
It will, indirectly at least r400. The Church still affects the opinions of over 1 billion people. It's not absolute, it's not like the surrounding culture doesn't matter, nobody outside the Vatican itself actually lives in a Catholic theocracy. But the Pope's words and actions do subtly or sometimes bluntly affect people's attitudes. If he leans toward the views of some African cardinals, that we are all horrible sinners who probably shouldn't exist at all, then yes, that would be bad.
I don't think he will. I think he will lean more toward continuing the outreach of Francis. I don't think he'll suddenly declare that gay marriage is awesome and every gay person should try it. I suspect it will be more subtle than that. More like, if you are gay (and not the old idea, that you are really straight but just don't know it yet), but if you are gay, hey, maybe be monogamous and try to be faithful and loving and not promiscuous. Personally, I don't care if anybody is promiscuous or not, but for the Church, that's a step toward acceptance, and slowly but surely acceptance leads to gay rights more generally.
by Anonymous | reply 404 | May 12, 2025 9:04 PM |
[quote] I suspect it will be more subtle than that. More like, if you are gay (and not the old idea, that you are really straight but just don't know it yet), but if you are gay, hey, maybe be monogamous and try to be faithful and loving and not promiscuous
My guess is that he wonât say much about that at all. Itâs not 2015 any more. Gay marriage is not a hot topic. Even the trans/gender hysteria has quieted down a bit. There are other fish to fry.
Post-Benedict, the Church seems to have wised up about not advertising their sexism and homophobia, and their messaging has been heavy on Christ-like humanist teachings advocating for the poor, the dispossessed, refugees and for peace.
Leo has criticised the USA immigration policies, advocated for social justice and spoken of valuing humans over AI. (And heâs a math guy.) My suspicions is that his interests lie apart from the culture war stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | May 12, 2025 9:15 PM |
Also, most Catholics now are in Latin America and Africa, not Europe or the US. His focus is not going to be on US culture war issues.
by Anonymous | reply 406 | May 12, 2025 9:54 PM |
The U.S. has the fourth largest Catholic population, after the three obvious countries.
by Anonymous | reply 407 | May 12, 2025 10:01 PM |
But Christians are the majority, r407, and they see Catholics as demonic.
by Anonymous | reply 408 | May 12, 2025 10:18 PM |
Catholics are the largest Christian denomination in the USâwhere do you people get your idea of âChristian?â The ignorance of Catholicism on the DL is outdone only by ignorance of the Constitution. Never ceases to amazeâŠ
by Anonymous | reply 409 | May 12, 2025 10:25 PM |
Yes r408, most Protestants in the U.S. consider Catholics "demonic." That is absolutely a thing that is true all over, and not just in whatever hillbilly town spawned you.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | May 12, 2025 10:28 PM |
Where do you get your nunsense from?
by Anonymous | reply 411 | May 12, 2025 10:29 PM |
Mainline Protestant denominations hate Catholics? No, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | May 12, 2025 10:32 PM |
Let's not get too sanctimonious..Pelosi has been called a cunt many times on DL.
by Anonymous | reply 413 | May 12, 2025 10:38 PM |
R392 is a mistaken idiot with nothing coherent to say but who is determined to share this with the rest of us.
by Anonymous | reply 414 | May 12, 2025 11:32 PM |
You seem determined to get the last word in despite being recognized as being so abjectly wrong by others on this thread besides me, r414. You seem to lack pride, among other things, so keep going.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | May 12, 2025 11:53 PM |
You seem humorless.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | May 12, 2025 11:55 PM |
GIRLS! GIRLS! You've BOTH got a new daddy!!!
by Anonymous | reply 417 | May 13, 2025 12:07 AM |
⊠Leo could well end up being the pope who makes it clear that the reason Catholic doctrine does not fit well into American politics is that it makes heavier demands than partisans on either side are willing to bear...
by Anonymous | reply 418 | May 13, 2025 12:49 AM |
1) Catholics are Christians and always were.
2) Protestants aren't all Evangelicals, most are mainline and moderate,
3) the "Catholics aren't Christian"/"the pope is the anti christ" beliefs are exclusively from right wing conservative Evangelical Jesus freaks in the US. Not mainstream. Not widespread. If you're furthering this canard, even jokingly, you are also a moron.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | May 13, 2025 2:02 AM |
Without Catholicism thereâd be no Christians of any denomination.
by Anonymous | reply 420 | May 13, 2025 2:07 AM |
shit, now you've done it r420. The Orthodox Are Not Gonna Be Ignored, Dan!
by Anonymous | reply 421 | May 13, 2025 2:14 AM |
Where do you think they came from?
by Anonymous | reply 422 | May 13, 2025 2:16 AM |
Well, depends how you look at it r422, but you can certainly make a case the Catholics were the ones that split away from the Orthodox, and not the other way around. It is all a bit of a tangle though.
by Anonymous | reply 423 | May 13, 2025 2:20 AM |
Oh, it's all a lot of nonsense about imaginary sky gods telling us what to do because we're afraid of dying.
by Anonymous | reply 424 | May 13, 2025 2:30 AM |
Thatâs why I said the western world r404. And I love how people say the largest catholic population is in the United States. Do you know how many âCatholicsâ in the United States havenât stepped inside a church in 10 years? Probably1/3 of their population . I would say a great number of them would call themselves non-practicing Catholics. The churchâs doctrine has scant effect on American /. European culture..
by Anonymous | reply 425 | May 13, 2025 3:59 AM |
What pray tell is the western worldâmore nonsense
by Anonymous | reply 426 | May 13, 2025 4:23 AM |
For R426:
[quote]The "Western world" generally refers to countries in Europe and the Americas that have undergone rapid modernization and are associated with Western European culture. This includes most of the European Union, the UK, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In a political sense, it also often includes countries that were formerly part of the Eastern bloc but have since joined the EU and NATO
by Anonymous | reply 427 | May 13, 2025 4:39 AM |
R419 gets it right.
by Anonymous | reply 428 | May 13, 2025 4:51 AM |
The Schism of 1054 was mutual excommunication, R423. The Churches started at the same time, and one has no more authority than the other.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | May 13, 2025 4:54 AM |
The Holy See has so much more authority than the Eastern Orthodox.
by Anonymous | reply 430 | May 13, 2025 4:58 AM |
The rest of North and South America are a part of the western world.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | May 13, 2025 4:59 AM |
quote [The churchâs doctrine has scant effect on American /. European culture..]
R425, I disagree. Catholic or non-Catholic, believer or not, the pope does have the power of moral suasion across the globe, thanks to Pope Francis. The Catholic Church lost much moral authority within and outside the church in the last thirty + years because of its handling of the sexual abuse of children. Before that, it had lost a great deal of moral authority because of its stand on birth control, the role of women in the church, and its views on homosexuality. Francis changed that to an extent. Speaking to reform of the church, he did not change doctrine, but he nudged the church closer to acceptance of greater roles for women and acceptance of homosexuality, gay relationships, and transgendered persons. As for the sex abuse scandal, there is still a way to go, but dealing with the crisis is far better today than it was under JP II or Benedict.
Most importantly, Francis proved worthy of his namesake. The picture of him embracing a severely disfigured man spoke to the essence of Christianity -- love of neighbor. He was pastoral for both believer and non-believer. His was a powerful voice chastising the developed nations and peoples of the world for its treatment of the poor, the migrant, and the earth. It looks like Leo will continue in Francis' footsteps. His will be a powerful voice against the selfishness, greed, and cruelty that has taken hold in much of the developed world.
Both believer and non-believer need such a voice.
by Anonymous | reply 432 | May 13, 2025 12:25 PM |
Is his brother the one that said many times he hoped all those who voted differently than him would die? No I am pretty sure that was all on DL.
So how nutty and un-American is this maga brother?
by Anonymous | reply 433 | May 13, 2025 2:03 PM |
Both brothers would be right at home here: one with the educated gays, the other with the klan grannies.
by Anonymous | reply 434 | May 13, 2025 2:07 PM |
They both hate women and gays, R434. They both ignore the child abuse in the church. Stop projecting your fantasies onto the new pope. His record does not reflect your fantasies.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | May 13, 2025 2:20 PM |
My sources inform me that the new pope and his brother are not likely to be supporters of trans surgery and treatment . I have not confirmed this yet.
by Anonymous | reply 436 | May 13, 2025 2:27 PM |
They're also not likely supporters of gay marriage. The new pope bemoaned "sympathy for homosexual relationships" just a decade ago. He hates us just as much as the trans; like all of our enemies they don't make these distinctions.
by Anonymous | reply 437 | May 13, 2025 2:30 PM |
R435 I said nothing about the Pope. I said it about his two brothers. Read better.
by Anonymous | reply 438 | May 13, 2025 2:37 PM |
The point is Leo XIV is gonna be the Pope and lead his church in the direction he believes is a truly Christ like way. He will follow in the footsteps of Francis, and be more inclusive, and he'll be accessible simply because he is younger and healthier. He has made it clear he favors peace not war, and has already reached out to Zelenskyy. He has spent a lifetime ministering to the poor and the sick in rural Peru. The very name he chose speaks to his embrace of people who labor and struggle. How anyone can pull anything MAGA like from any of that is nuts. Some people just aren't very bright. There are Popes who were rigid, doctrinaire scolds, and then there were guys like Pope John the XXIII who Francis canonized. I believe we will see a pope in Leo XIV who is going to be channeling both John XXIII and Francis. As for his brother, the Florida MAGAt, who gives a shit. He is not unique. He is that guy: our uncle, brother, neighbor, co worker, boss who is avoided whenever possible. I got the impression there was some distance between them. I didn't see it reported on the news that Leo called him a bunch of times. The older brother is an asshole. So what. He clearly doesn't speak for Leo XIV.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | May 13, 2025 2:38 PM |
You seem ready to fight everyone over everything. Calm the fuck down, hon.
by Anonymous | reply 440 | May 13, 2025 2:47 PM |
The Pope is not going to come out in support of gay marriage . But he is no more likely than Trump is to start outright attacking gay marriage and trying to end it.
This Pope though will not be supportive of PnP, gang bangs, poppers, or anal fisting at the baths , so if someone is holding out hope he might Iâd say not a chance.
by Anonymous | reply 441 | May 13, 2025 2:51 PM |
The Pope gave a stirring defense of free speech and condemned imprisoning journalists, etc. the other day, so I think he's going to be just fine.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | May 13, 2025 2:56 PM |
I don't understand this fixation? Most who are counted as Roman Catholic don't pay much attention to the hierarchy in the first place, while the rest of the world totally uninvolved.
by Anonymous | reply 443 | May 13, 2025 3:24 PM |
Well, both clauses of your second sentence are inaccurate. Thereâs a place to start.
by Anonymous | reply 444 | May 13, 2025 3:27 PM |
Am I the only one here who thinks the brother still in Illinois might be gay? He's a retired school principal. No mention of ever being married. He may smell cookies!
by Anonymous | reply 446 | May 14, 2025 3:32 AM |
It was addressed in the thread^^
by Anonymous | reply 447 | May 14, 2025 3:36 AM |
by Anonymous | reply 448 | May 14, 2025 4:22 PM |
[quote] When he was made a cardinal by Pope Francis in 2023, the future Pope Leo XIV, asked about comments he made more than a decade earlier in which he had condemned the âhomosexual lifestyle,â said that his views had shifted under Francis and that he agreed the church should be welcoming and open.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | May 14, 2025 8:50 PM |
This is supposedly his official account on Bluesky. He is on Twitter too, but I deleted that shit a long time ago.
by Anonymous | reply 450 | May 14, 2025 8:52 PM |
Actually, not supposedly
by Anonymous | reply 451 | May 14, 2025 9:11 PM |
R450, that account has been suspended. Did the pope hurt some zoomer's feelings?
by Anonymous | reply 452 | May 15, 2025 1:30 AM |
The Pope is now active on IG and Twitter. His account has been posting about peace.
In a nice tennis crossover, he met Janek Sinner yesterday.
by Anonymous | reply 453 | May 15, 2025 5:08 AM |
The Pope canât come out and bless gay marriage. If we have learned anything from the Trans movement, it is that gradually bringing people along with you through incremental steps is what builds widespread support for change. Not âNow! Now! Now!â.
Barney Frank understood this with âDonât Ask Donât Tellâ, and Francis understood this with âWho am I to judge?â I believe Leo understands this too.
by Anonymous | reply 454 | May 15, 2025 7:45 AM |