We got a new daddy!

He seems homophobic to me.

boring name

In Italian it's pronounced "lay-o", not "lee-o".

Just so you know.

So after all this time, America has finally arrived. Battered and just about to sink, but arrived nonetheless.

He’s giving me Benedict vibes.

PARTY IN THE USA

Wait he’s American. I thought for sure we wouldn’t get an American.. He should’ve stayed Robert. It sounds kind of popey.

The only people I know who are still religious Catholics and still go to church are a handful of elderly people. Literally no one else. It's so weird to me that the Pope and the Catholic Church are still a big thing in the US media.

SHE BETTA WORK!

The Pope walks out to all that world wide adoration far and wide and out walks an mericN.

Donkey Trump my have had days before with the church but this became

r4Speaking of ship metaphors. If you told the the puritans on the Mayflower the country they were the genesis of would one day provide a pope they'd probably have sailed straight back home.

[quote] If you told the the puritans on the Mayflower the country they were the genesis of would one day provide a pope they'd probably have sailed straight back home.

Just imagine if anyone told them about porn and rap music!

People keep calling him American, but when was the last time he lived here. And how many Americans do you know who can speak Latin and Italian that well.

Out walks the new pope to amazing love and adoration and applause (world wide love and respect ) that won’t stop and when we find out that he is an American Donald Trumps day just got a lot less bright.

What a travesty.

At least it wasn't that nasty, petty, vindictive bitch Raymond Burke.

[quote]And how many Americans do you know who can speak Latin and Italian that well.

How many people on planet Earth can fucking speak Latin?

The applause was not that long. I did not see any love. He is not that big a deal. Most popular person in the world today—-my ass.

My crowds are bigger

The new pope has gay face. I wonder how many pedophile priests he's transferred and hidden from prosecution?

The crowd did not go wild.

He's from Chicago, but apparently has spent much of his adult life as a Cardinal in Peru? Is that right?

He's Pope, not head of the Unitarian Universalist Association. He has to toe the Vatican line.

Bishop of Peru correct

r20 Its an Italian crowd being told an American has been elected pontiff. They need to know his views on pineapple pizza before deciding if they're adding to this list

r21 Archbishop of Peru, but yes. He was only made cardinal in 2023, but held a powerful position in the Vatican before that, leading the body that appoints bishops worldwide.

He spent so long in Peru in fact, that he became a naturalised citizen of Peru.

He speaks Italian with a very thick American accent.

[quote] At least it wasn't that nasty, petty, vindictive bitch Raymond Burke.

Burke and MAGA fanboy Cardinal Timothy Dolan are awful.

[quote]He’s giving me Benedict vibes.

No. Benedict was the ambitious type who wore the high fashion labels and would never have spent half his life in rural Peru. This guy is much closer to Francis.

I think it's safe to assume he won't be doing the American late night talk show circuit. Might take some time to see him in Chicago again, too. Probably under a Dem president.

Villanova is an Augustinian institution.

Just what we need another boorish ucouth Yank.

You can see him take the oath of secrecy in flawless Latin yesterday in this video at 9:20:10.

hey at least he doesn't like our VP anymore than his predecessor did! 'Our new woke pope': Newly minted pontiff’s post slamming JD Vance lights up social media:

r24, pineapple on Chicago style pizza would be just gross, like savory pineapple upside down cake.

He appears to be a moderate. Not as liberal a Pope Francis, but not an ultra conservative asswipe like Dolan or Burke.

r36 You know what, I'll take it. Given the state of the world, this could have gone much, much worse.

I'll take it as well. His taken name - Leo XIV- is a callback to Leo XIII, who was a socially conscious Pope who supported workers rights, the poor, etc. He should at least be in line with the views of John Paul II, than with Benedict (who was fairly conservative).

R34 the facts are good enough. Why go that extra mile all the fucking time.? The new pope was correcting JD on matters of Christian theology.

And it was a good lesson.

[quote] Just what we need another boorish ucouth Yank.

He could actually help to rehab our image somewhat, since he is the polar opposite of the orange ape. And Dump is going to be very jealous if the Pope gets more attention than him. Win/win

Hopefully he excommunicates Burke the Jerk. Francis came close, but do it Leo!

[quote]He could actually help to rehab our image somewhat,

The Catholic Church and the Pope are pretty irrelevant in the modern Western World.

[quote]I think it's safe to assume he won't be doing the American late night talk show circuit. Might take some time to see him in Chicago again, too. Probably under a Dem president.

Yep, R30. Try right now and he could find himself on a plane to El Salvador for "not being American enough" or "being too Peruvian" or some other made-up reason. The only consolation would be that El Salvador is a country with a large Catholic population.

I was molested by my best friend's daddy.

The Vatican chose the most important daughter of its extensive empire.

These are definitely the End Times!

- Every Pentecostal

We live in truly amazing times.

Appalling times, more like.

R8, you might be surprised by this fact so prepare yourself, but everyone else on earth is not exactly like you, and all of us have experiences and associations that are unique or distinct at an individual level.

There's a Catholic Church down the block from me, and based solely on attendance I'd say that *maybe* you are an outlier on this point and not remotely the norm. It's also useful information for you to understand that Catholics, like all religious denominations in the vast United States, vary in numbers by geography. I've never met a Mormon but I would never say I don't understand their influence in American culture just based on my limited exposure in the northeastern U.S. If anyone claimed they didn't know why Jews were so influential because they never met one they'd be getting some major side eye, too.

After Benedict and Francis, they went with a centrist, basically.

Handsome man.

He spent so much time in Peru, I think that gave him some much-needed distance and a realisation as to just how insane American culture wars and their political (and religious) discourse in general is. So I bet he has much more in common with Francis than with that ghoul Burke.

But, we'll see, we won't have to wait long to see his first moves.

With a new hat, he could have made his debut at the Met Gala.

R24, surprising that list doesn’t include Pope John Paul I, who died “of a heart attack” (but was actually murdered because he was going to tell the truth about the church’s ties to mafia and anti-semitism/Nazis/Hitler.

He’d have been revolutionary.

Sick fucking cult, Catholicism. It’s where Scientology gets a lot of their ideas about how to treat people who threaten the cult or leave.

R8 I mentioned in another thread that US networks were treating it as some sort of weird combination of the Kentucky Derby, the Oscars, and the Indy 500. Suddenly everyone seemed to be steeped in its history and this is especially true when, as you note, so few people even attend Mass anymore. So many news outlets were treating it as if the papacy were a commodity, something to stan over rather than an extremely historic occasion. There is joy, certainly, but they were treating it as if the new pope were a sort of "winner" a la the Derby, Oscars, or Indy. I hate the 21st century, where everything is for consumption and value is stripped away.

Being a catholic is great. I was raped in the custody of the Assembly of God church by a pastor there. The Catholics never did anything to me. The Catholics are no where near as judgemental as the "Christians"

Jaydine Vance is such a completely heinous piece of shit. Literally everyone on Earth, including 2 Popes, can’t stand the fucker.

Leonardo DiCaprio finally became Pope. About time!

Good for him.

Doubt Leo is losing much sleep over JD, he'll never be heard from again once he's out of the White House. Old men like him have seen these attack dogs come and go, they're not fazed at all.

r58 This might actually cause some confusion as we've been referring to him as Leo on DL pretty much since the start of this site.

r55 that's a great analysis.

[quote]Leonardo DiCaprio finally became Pope. About time!

Looks like he'll have to stop sucking cock.

The proof is in the pudding, let's see what his first year in office looks like.

Interesting that as the last vote was about to start that those cardinals on the more left and those on the more right were not wishing each other dead and then came together for the common good. . How unlike American democracy.

Anyone who is against Trump I like.

The fact that he's younger than T. must be messing with T.'s mind as well. Flashes of mortality, maybe?

MAGA Alert MAGA Alert

Stand by for a new Trump-Gram where it will be explained how the vote today was done in respect to Donald Trump and America First.

R19 implying he would never ask the question except for the gay face.

Where there's smoke Mary...

R49: I was the only Gentile in an otherwise Mormon cub scout pack.

Apparently a fuckton of Chicago Catholics knew him, and he was a substitute teacher so a number of them of a certain age are saying they were taught by him (or sent to detention by him!)

R54 I grew up Catholic and never felt any pressure to remain. I'm no longer Catholic but I honestly don't really think badly of them.

The first (and only) English pope, now joined by the first American pope.

Hey what about us?

The Big Five

What a joke. It’s us and the 4 littles.

Lay-O.......Laaaaaaay-O......Daylight come and I want to go home.

What he a surprise? I don't recall seeing his name among the speculated contenders.

He is giving a little bit Benedict and a little bit Francis. A mox of the two. He seems okay

R8 there are 1.4 billion catholics globally, genius

I hope he continues the work ofn Pope Francis and encourages Catholics back in the church

r79 no shit. But in the Western World the Catholic Church is not very relevant anymore.

R79 the “western world” goes far beyond the people you know, Jan

r82 you are pretty ignorant. Go to Western Europe and see how religious they are. Even the Irish and Italians aren't all that religious anymore. They've moved beyond religion.

Hell, even Ireland legalized abortion and same sex marriage.

Like all colonial schemes, Christianity requires growth, R83.

Westerners are range fed sheep, not targets. The contested meat is in Africa and the scarier parts of India.

r85 what a simple view of the world you have.

R86, perhaps you haven’t seen all the money to be made in anti-gay African State law making.

Our American Christians©️, as well as the Catholic church have plowed millions into unstable African countries to craft anti-gay laws.

It’s ALEC for the poor people, but that’s just a simple view from someone who pays attention to this colonialism. You are so much better than me with simple shit quips. Sorry I ruined your day.

r87 I'm not Catholic nor do I care for the Catholic Church. Yes they're trying to recruit in Africa. But the civilized world has moved on.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President..

I’m surprised - I thought for sure that the conclave would go Black this time.

R3 no—in Italian it’s Leone.

R86, I’m a simple viewer, but where does Ponzi money come from? Does it come from people who have been screwed over by the church for hundreds of years? Does better money come from people a church hasn’t conquered and shit upon for two hundred and fifty fucking years.?

Aside from honorariams, who will keep income streams flowing (mind you, Im simple) from multiple sources who have not been molested or raped by clergy. You fucking fuck. Please stop pretending we don’t know what happened, you lazy brained cabbage head.

Your coworkers say you smell of shit

r92 defensive much? The Catholic Church is not my thing at all, of course they're corrupt. I never said otherwise. It's just that you're kind of simple. That's all.

Actually, just this week two co-workers told me how nice I smell.

R27 nope. His Italian is excellent.

This is an interesting pick, especially if he's critical of Trump and Vance. Will Latino and other new and traditional Catholic voters be swayed, is the question.

Yas queen! She ate that

Probably not r95. Many of them have already gone over to Evangelical Protestant denominations.

He criticized Vance for misapplying a basic precept of Catholic theology in a public setting.

Never trust a recent convert with an Ivy degree—they’re the worst!

[quote]Pope John Paul I, who died “of a heart attack” (but was actually murdered because he was going to tell the truth about the church’s ties to mafia and anti-semitism/Nazis/Hitler.

Don't people promoting conspiracy theories know how ridiculous they sound?

Clearly they like the noise inside their head…

R86, as a cabbage head you failed to provide anything more than a vibe. Adults need more from you when you enter into a conversation where someone isn’t trying to talking you into fisting. One to grow on, Cher.

r77 He appeared on many lists but, much like Francis, was far from being the frontrunner going into the conclave. He was included as someone who ticks many of the right boxes and seem like the perfect fit on paper, but then dismissed because no one believed we'd actually get an American pope. These firsts seem unbelievable, until they finally happen.

The BBC list also mentioned that he might be too young for the papacy.

They've already nuked his original Wikipedia page that I visited when he was elected, and replaced it with a new papal one.

r101 it's time to give Mother her evening pills and get her ready for bed.

¡Viva Perú!

[quote]While the Americans in the crowd rejoiced at the naming of one of their own — “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” some chanted — and received congratulations from the Italians who seemed bewildered by the unfamiliar face on the balcony, supporters of Francis expressed a sigh of relief.

Eugh, they just can't help themselves.

Disgusting and disappointing.

Hush up, Lady Lindzebelle. You’re not Catholic, and who is suppose to care what you think?

Everyone should read that gifted NYT article, it has some great insight.

[quote]Alberto Melloni, a church historian, said that while Leo was clearly in Francis’ mold on his vision of a church moving closer to the people and being governed more from the bottom-up, on hot-button social issues, “he kept his hands free.”

[quote]But as Francis showed, people change when they become pope: He was considered a conservative cardinal in native Argentina.

Seems like a comprimise. Class aware for the liberals but hands off about social justice stuff for conservatives. Its a bit sad though when you have people busting a nut of him criticizing Vance but say nothing about him being against most of the lgbt advances put forward by Pope Francis. Anything to own MAGA I guess.....

I would not be at all surprised if John Paul l was murdered. It happened so soon after his election and he was known to be heading into some very dicey territory. I mean why not? It's Italy baby.

It's interesting how opposed the Italian cardinals were to Parolin, one of their own. That, and the betting odds being completely wrong, just goes to show that we really have no clue how the cliques in the Vatican operate. And new cardinals are appointed all the time and people get reshuffled to different positions, so power and influence changes all the time as well.

JPI was beatified by Francis in 2022, despite only holding the papacy for 34 days. That's why I said in another thread you're virtually guaranteed sainthood if you get elected pope in modern times. If they found some poor suckers to come up with miracles during that short reign, you know damn well popes with longer reigns are a shoo-in.

[quote] honorariams

Oh, dear!

It's honoraria.

[quote] nope. His Italian is excellent.

His Italian is excellent.

But you're wrong.

He speaks with a thick American accent.

[quote] If they found some poor suckers to come up with miracles during that short reign,

I think the miracles are supposed to start after death, actually, to prove their saintliness in heaven. I might be wrong, so if anybody knows for sure ...

Regardless, I agree with your overall comment that it is starting to look like some routine process, which even on its own terms it shouldn't be.

He's biracial or half black according to the new Wiki information about his parents. Previously his mother was listed only as Spanish.

[QUOTE]His father was of Italian and French descent, while his mother was the daughter of Louisiana Creole parents, Joseph Martínez and Louise Baquié, from New Orleans, of African, French, and Spanish descent. Martínez was Afro-Haitian, and Baquié a Black Creole.[11][12][13][14]

You are not questioning a Wiki change that is a few hues old?

The word “Creole” has multiple meanings in a Louisiana context. It can refer to people of European descent who were born in the Americas. But it also commonly refers to mixed-race people of color.

Damn, those must be some strong white genes because he doesn't look remotely POC.

r118 The big ones are carefully monitored, something of this sensitive nature wouldn't have been included if it wasn't easily verifiable.

If accurate that would not make him “half-black.”

He’s not only American, he’s black, too? That’s awesome. I can see it in his cheekbones.

Uh oh, does this mean we can't go back?

Growing up watching Oprah, never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined we'd one day have a pope from that city. I mean, this is nuts!

He left America in 2015. He must have known Trump would win the election and got out just in time!

R119 - I'm not questioning. I'm celebrating that he is.

R120 - What about Black Creole like the entry?

[quote]The first pope to use the name Leo, whose papacy ended in 461, met Attila the Hun and persuaded him not to attack Rome. The last Pope Leo led the Church from 1878 to 1903 and wrote an influential treatise on worker rights.

The first one met Attila! This is crazy, so much history in that place.

I give it 3 months until guys start coming forward to discuss their "experiences" with this closeted queen. for it. Just a hunch but I feel it coming.

Can’t WAIT

Lightweight Soda Pope.

He’s kind of dreamy.

Agreed, he is handsome.

The USA! USA! chant makes me want to hurl at the best of times but in this context it’s beyond inappropriate.

It’s not the Olympic 400m men’s final FFS.

[quote] boring name

I wanted to be Pope SharKeisha I, but the other cardinals said no.

R117 You are correct. The new saint is supposed to have interceded with God so that he would do something miraculous, like curing incurable cancer. But you first must be beatified (one miracle, entitled to be called 'The Blessed') before being canonised (two miracles).

Also Albino Luciani (John Paul I) did have a fairly long and arguably holy life *before* becoming Pope, so there is plenty to look at if you want a good example....

My first thought: the Boomers finally seize hold of the one global position of power that has so far eluded them.

Otherwise: a US American is an interesting choice, particularly one with longstanding connections to Peru and now of Peruvian nationality. I like the nod to Leo XIV and Catholic social teaching. Hopefully Francis' reforms and gradual liberalisation and diversification of the church will be bedded in.

Part-black American Catholic who opted into Peruvian society, now occupying the throne of St. Peter: a big fuck you to MAGA.

Pope LEO.

Geez, of all the names he could have taken, he picks one the most American sounding name possible (yes, I realize in Eye-talian it's pronounced differently).

Does he now automatically get God's real cell # and Insta?

He looks kind in fhe picture R128 posted.

I wonder how much of this (meaning his election) had to do with trying to counteract Trump and Trumpism, in the same way that Trump’s bluster has led to moderates winning offices in Canada and Europe?

Conservative American Catholics (with money) have become a major force in pushing against Pope Francis’ vision of ‘compassionate’ Catholicism, and trying to get the church to become more reactionary, more of a tool of state repression like the Orthodox church in Russia, which American conservatives adore. Certainly Steve Bannon and JD Vance spent their time in Italy pushing for that. Our Supreme Court is now dominated by such morons. And I think Francis appointed (anointed) a lot of cardinals who would prevent that from happening. And it worked. And at 69, this pope could be around for 20 years, preventing the Catholic church from backsliding too far. Let’s hope.

This is an intriguing comment I found on Bluesky earlier and forgot about until r142's post. I tend to agree with it.

[QUOTE]They made a Polish Cardinal the Pope to help bring down the Soviet Union. This is the same message to America.

The thought of a Communist/atheist superpower was anathema to the church. Trump’s MAGA America vision is equally dystopian as the Soviet Union, or Russia now where the Orthodox church is used as a tool of the state to further Putin's evil intent. Human rights and Christ's teachings mean jack shit to these people.

The cardinals don't want further erosion and perversion of Catholicism/Christianity in the U.S. to become a mirror of what lies east of Rome. The potential is there. I honestly believe this is the cardinals intent.

R54 No, you just leave. You are thinking of Islam.

[quote] Geez, of all the names he could have taken, he picks one the most American sounding name possible (yes, I realize in Eye-talian it's pronounced differently).

I don't think you're making a persuasive argument--you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.

Leo XIV is named for the thirteen popes before him of that name, all of whom were Italian, and four of whom (starting with Leo I) were saints.

It's a Latin name coming from the Greek word for "lion.," and it will be pronounced at the Vatican in the Latin style. It's not originally an English name. It does not "sound American" (what does that even mean?).

Leo is a Virgo

He's probably a Messi fan, too.

R64 This is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

I was robbed! I demand and there’s gonna be a recount!

[quote]It's a Latin name coming from the Greek word for "lion" and it will be pronounced at the Vatican in the Latin style.

It's Leon in my language as well! That's why I made that mistake in the smoke watch thread when I hastily translated it from Latin. I think it sounds cooler than Leo.

If he had chosen a name just to sound cool, he would have chosen Pope Fonzie.

In many countries, Leo and Leon are two similar but different names. Their root in Greek for "lion" is the same, though.

Yeah, we don't have Leo in mine, it's not a valid name, just Leon. We do have Lea though, for women.

Anyway, I'm more familiar with the Byzantine Leos than with the Latin popes. I really have to fire up that Pontifacts podcast I've been meaning to start for ages now, it's embarrassing I know so little about our neighbours post 476.

Yeah, I just woke up and read he's already involved in a child sex abuse scandal. Not that he did it but that he covered it up. So, fucking disappointed. I'm not even Catholic so I don't know why I feel disappointed. Maybe because he's from Chicago and is a Cubs fan. I was pretty high when they announced it and was pretty happy about before I passed out for 10 hours. I should know people are never who they seem.

R154, his brother said he's white Sox fan

His Black mother was the Cubbies fan.

[quote] US networks were treating it as some sort of weird combination of the Kentucky Derby, the Oscars, and the Indy 500

The good thing is that nowadays you can often bypass mediated coverage of these kinds of events. I started watching the Vatican's livestream on YouTube as soon as the news of the white smoke broke. Lots of crowd shots and then the unfolding of the presentation in real time without talking heads. (I didn't even realize he was American until someone messaged me ironic congratulations on being pope now.)

I am in Rome now and was at the Vatican yesterday just an hour before the white smoke appeared. I had already walked too far to head back to see the announcement. But the bells of all the churches were ringing nonstop. There were priests and friars literally running in the direction of the Vatican to make it to the announcement on time. It really felt like a very important moment. It was cool to experience it here as it happened.

From friend’s balcony just outside the Vatican. She captured people running to see the new pope. I was a bit further away toward the Forum at that point. But there were priests running from even there to get there in time and that’s over 2 miles away.

The MAGA are spazzing out about the new pope! Laura Loomer is going SPASTIC and calling him anti-MAGA and anti-Trump. She probably thinks she can get Trump to fire him.

She's posted a lot of tweets about it but this is main one:

Has anyone ever challenged Laura Loomer to define Marxism?

Blackness addressed here in NYT article.

Oops—but there is another, in FL

The Pope is still relevant in the US, which is the most powerful country in the western world, so yes, this shit matters.

It is quite telling that big MAGA voices like Laura Loomer are already freaking out. They know he's going to eventually be a serious thorn in Trump's side (once the usual first meeting politeness is over with).

What I don’t get is that according to that NYT article the pope’s mom was born in 1912 BUT the pope was born in 1955. 43 year old women were having babies in 1955? His grandmother was 44 in 1912 when she had his mom. His grandfather was born in 1864. What 70 year old people today have grandparents born 161 years ago? That means his grandparents were alive during the last Pope Leo XIII. Crazy if true.

Lies all lies.😵‍💫

Nothing unusual at all. No birth control means random children.

Do you know how many Catholic families had a surprise late-in-life child? Too many.

Yes I get all of that r167. I am just surprised because I would consider a 35 year old woman in 1912 as a late in life pregnancy. I remember being a kid in the 80s and a 40 you old woman was considered old to be having kids. Hell, to this day after 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy. So a pregnant 44 year old woman in 1912 Louisiana must have looked like voodoo.

R8- you do realize that you live in a bubble and the “people you know” is not an accurate sample of the overall population, right? There are 1.6 billion Catholics in the world. It’s like saying “none of my friends are Chinese so there are no Chinese people in the world.”

R168 here. One thing I love about DL is that it can actually be an opportunity to educate yourself. I guess it wasn’t all that uncommon for women, who had already had several children to have kids into their early 40s at the turn of the century.

R49- exactly. It’s like someone saying “I don’t know anyone who watches NCIS so why is it a hit?”

My atheist son (who did 12 years at a liberal episcopal school) was very saddened by Francis’s death - he’s visiting tomorrow so I’m interested in getting his take on Leo.

As I often have had cause to say on the DL - “just because something is not in your experience doesn’t mean that it never happened”.

I think he’s pretty cute, by the way.

[quote]a US American

That's redundant.

[quote]you do realize that you live in a bubble and the “people you know” is not an accurate sample of the overall population, right? There are 1.6 billion Catholics in the world. It’s like saying “none of my friends are Chinese so there are no Chinese people in the world.”

That's not what I meant at all. Just saying that religious Catholics in the US are nowhere near what they once were.

R170 I love DL because I can get untrained non-medical opinions about later-in-life turn of century biracial births from men who avoid vaginas.

And the USA is the only place that matters, eh R176?

Welcome to the world of American parochialism, R169.

r178 you're projecting. Just saying that in the US and Western Europe the Catholic Church aren't really relevant anymore.

Are there really gay men who are religious Catholics? Mind blowing.

[quote]And the USA is the only place that matters, eh

[quote]Welcome to the world of American parochialism,

Don't forget Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all of Western Europe. Not terribly religious anymore.

R160 yes the right might dislike him now but just wait until he does not come out in full support of gay marriage. Then he will be hated by lots more.

He could have a great impact on hunger peace the church etc etc etc but if he seen as less than fully supportive of Donald or gay marriage he is going to be hated.

We care about our one issue lots. The rest not so much.

Just ignore r178. He's a nasty shit who does nothing but shit all over Americans and make nasty comments. He really doesn't add anything to this board at all. He's a miserable prick.

R179, don't you know most of those priests and cardinals are gay???

R165 that is very unusual and very disturbing in some ways. uncanny.

R182 why would anyone here need you to tell them who to ignore? I get that it’s a PSA of sorts but do you think that others can’t make up their own mind who to read and take seriously on their own?

Daddy has South Side creds, bitch! Apparently, he's the one on the cell phone to the immediate left. And fuck y'all.

JFC, gentlemen -- don't you know how bables are made? The man sticks his penis in a vagina, ejaculates (or close enough), the sperm meets the egg, and SURPRISE!! A BABY!!

There was no truly reliable method of birth control until the birth control pill became available in 1968. Before that, it was hard-to-find and embarrassing to buy condoms/foam and "the rhythm method," in which a woman counted the days from her last period to try to figure out if she was ovulating. Why do you think schools started teaching abstinence as a birth control method? That actually works!

Back in the day, the bottom line was, if you had heterosexual sex, you had kids, whether you wanted to or not. And if a woman was too old, she might die giving birth to them. Or they might have birth defects.

Some of you here are woefully ignorant about what people used to call "the birds and the bees." Sad.

R187 did you find it embarrassing to but condoms and foam in the 1950s and 60s or is this based on a study?

r187 or he's just fuck her up the ass.

Catholics could have prevented pregnancy in 1958 ? to say that is silly. And Catholics did but condoms and foam.

My parents had kids when they wanted them then continued for years to have sex and had no kids. This is ancient history was back in the 50s-70s. It was a tiny house with thin walls those two were having sex. But despite being catholic and having sex no new babies.

Safe sex can prevent many things even in 1962

He was good looking as a youth - half French-half Italian.

He’s not half French and half Italian. My god, pay attention.

What is he?

Ha. Butt-hurt people AROUND THE WORLD are claiming Shitler had something to do with his election. JEEZUS PETE!

REALLY TIRED of everyone ohh-ing and ahhh-ing about (gasp) an AMERICAN who speaks fluent Italian and Spanish. For FUCK'S SAKE! Get OVER yourselves!

R195 HAS LAID THE LAW DOWN AND USED LOTS OF caps DOING SO.

R175

What is a person from Europe? A European What is a person from Asia? An Asian What is a person from the Americas? An American.

BAM!

Leo, as a longtime resident of Peru, will know how to translate 'estadounidense'.

Anyway, regarding 43 year old women and late births, there was also the phenomenon that a secret grandchild born to an eldest daughter sometimes got hushed up and presented as a late child.... it seems however that Leo has only brothers.

r197 People from the United States are Americans. If someone says "I'm American" everybody in the entire world knows they are from the United States. I know you're just playing a smug game because nobody could be that stupid.

[quote]What is a person from the Americas? An American.

No, it doesn't work that way with people from the Americas. Sorry babe, but I didn't make the rules.

To celebrate the installation of Pope Leo XIV I watched Spotlight last night.

The bottom line, regardless of how “progressive” on gay issues he is or is not, American MAGA Catholics are furious, in despair, up in arms over his selection.

Which is a good thing, period.

R137 Trump is a boomer

My fellow Americans are an embarrassment.

America thinks for an American pope not to speak English it was terrible. Latin, Italian, Spanish, not a word of English. Like he is embarrassed. Or just as bad sucking up to the rest of the world. Peru and Rome can have him.

America is not happy

R206 It's hard to tell if you're doing this on purpose or not.

America seems much more obsessed with whether he's a Cubs fan or Sox fan and what kind of pizza he likes most.

English, shminglish.

R201 It does if you speak Spanish, like most Americans.

No it doesn't r209. "American" is universally recognized as a person from the United States. The United States of America is the full name of the country, and it's the only country with "America" in its name.

Nobody from Brazil, for example, would call themselves American or Brazilian American. You're just a bitter troll who enjoys stirring shit up.

Still think we should've gone with Atlantis instead of America. We could be the People from Atlantis, and now the Pope is from Atlantis. Surely a Golden Age is upon us!

R210 Well, I don't speak Portuguese, but I do speak Spanish, and I do know for a fact (because I've lived there) that people from Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas refers to themselves as 'Americanos' as distinct from 'Estadounidenses'. The closest translation into English from the latter is 'US Americans'. Ask your boy Leo, he knows this perfectly well.

Ironic how we're having this discussion in the middle of a thread bemoaning how parochial US Americans are..... ;)

Well r212 that's great but "American" means a citizen of the US all over the world. Nobody would ask "which country in North or South America are you from?" when someone told them that they were American. Everybody knows what American means.

Nice try at hair splitting shit posting, though.

[quote]Ironic how we're having this discussion in the middle of a thread bemoaning how parochial US Americans are..... ;)

Well the entire world must be parochial then because unlike one contrarian Euro queen who thinks he's oh-so-intelligent, American means United States to the entire world.

R214 Oh, bitter! C'mon, let's make like Leo said and build bridges ;)

Does anyone honestly think that a Canadian would call themself an American? Seriously?!?!

R210 Maybe. But it’s not the only country with “United States” in its name.

Trumptard alert @ R206.

So are you saying Mexican immigrants can start saying "I'm a citizen of Estados Unidos" r217? This changes everything.

R218 I am so sorry. I thought for sure people would get it even those not that smart enough normally to get it. I certainly did not read the room properly I forgot where I was or that you were in the room where it happened

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[quote] From friend’s balcony just outside the Vatican. She captured people running to see the new pope.

I hope she eventually let them go.

I wonder what the gay clique at the Vatican makes of this new pope. Their group chat must be quite lively right now.

Is it on Signal?

Looks to me that other than maga and the Debbie Downers on the left most people are happy with this choice. It’s been a long time since I have seen so much pure joy while watching CNN.

r224 I also have a feeling it's not that bad of a pick, BUT let's wait and see what happens when he's inevitably asked about the gays. Might be three steps back from Francis, for all we know. I'm sure he'll try to evade the topic for as long as possible, but his future actions on same-sex blessings might speak louder than words.

In parallel to that, I'm also waiting to see how he acts on TLM in the States.

[quote]Butt-hurt people AROUND THE WORLD are claiming Shitler had something to do with his election. JEEZUS PETE!

Well, he did have something to do with this election—same as with the elections in Canada and Australia.

My two cents – Leo is acutely aware of the historic nature of his papacy and of America's perception around the world right now. So he will overcompensate to try and come across as impartial (no English in his address was just the first glimpse of that), at least in the initial couple of years and certainly for the duration of Trump's regime.

His brother from Chicago gives strong "confirmed bachelor" vibes, so my gut tells me that he probably does not personally have anything against gays. The same brother says that his beliefs are very similar to Francis's, so one would hope that his progressive influence over the past several years would have imprinted on Leo.

[quote]he’s not half French and half Italian. My god, pay attention.

I read someplace - the NYT? - that his maternal grandparents were Louisiana Creole, one was mixed race Afro-Haitian and the other mixed "Black Creole". Ladies and gents, we have our first "Black" Pope!

Close enough for me.

His brother, John, believes he will follow the same path and papal agenda as his predecessor, Francis:

As to late in life Catholic pregnancies - I have an uncle who is 16 years younger than my mother - he was born in 53, when my grandmother was 47.

On the other side of the coin her eldest daughter got married at 19, her eldest daughter got pregnant at 19, and her eldest daughter has a baby at 20 - so my grandma was a great-great-grandmother in her 80s, when some of her grandchildren were still in grade school.

Some of my trans acquaintances are posting that they are calling him “Pope Bob” until the Church allows them, too, to take on a chosen name.

I'm sure the demands of the 0.1% of the population are an absolute priority for the Vatican, historically a super flexible institution.

R231 Which is more likely do you think: a 47 year old woman had a pregnancy..... or a 16 year old girl had a pregnancy?

For R210: in the language of the European country where I live, America is called "the USA" and the people from there "US Americans". So people often use that when speaking English (they're not used to using America/American).

I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol. They are asinine. Kate Bolduan on CNN was absolutely giddy and stupid in her interview with some clergy "expert" and the coverage has been shallow and superficial. They are shameful. Gale King seemed so coarse and out of touch interviewing his brother, and Chris Matthews compared him to Sherrod Brown. Personally I think he will continue to carry on Pope Francis's legacy and be inclusive. I hated John Paul's stern rigid conservative hypocrisy. I loved Francis for his loving nature and kindness. This Pope will have a different personality obviously but he will share Francis's perspective. And yes, the MAGA Catholics are shitting bricks. Good.

[quote]What 70 year old people today have grandparents born 161 years ago?

Me. On my father's side.

On my mother's side, her sister in Italy had her first child at 20 and her last at 44. My great aunt had her first child at 19 and her last at 45 also. This was not at all unusual.

Even here in the US, my best friend's had a sister 16 years younger than him when his mom was 43. Irish Catholic family. Twelve kids.

[quote]I read someplace - the NYT? - that his maternal grandparents were Louisiana Creole, one was mixed race Afro-Haitian and the other mixed "Black Creole". Ladies and gents, we have our first "Black" Pope!

Maternal grandfather born in Dominican Republic.

I thought he looked kind of like a kindly Indian uncle when he appeared in the balcony.

Give or take 12 thousand kilometres.

[quote] I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol.

Erin Burnett was borderline hysterical in her grey cardigan yesterday.

Has every clergyman in America been interviewed?

CNN even got Maria Shriver.

R2:4 - I’m very sure my mom and my aunt aren’t my uncle’s real mother - though I’m not denying that sort of thing did happen.

All my life my grandmother slept with her false teeth in, even though that’s not what you’re supposed to do. She explained “when I had your uncle I was in a maternity ward for several days with all these twenty year olds - there was no way I was taking my teeth out around them!”

[quote]I've been actually embarrassed at how some in the Media have reacted to his election as if he's won some kind of reality TV Batchelor contest, or American Idol. They are asinine.

The American media are a bunch of superficial, sensationalist asswipes who wouldn't know real journalism if it lubed them up and fucked them all up the ass.

And I'm saying this as an American. Journalistic standards in American media have plummeted for many years now.

He's an Augustinian priest.

Aren't Augustinians where Jesuit rejects go?

[quote]Cardinal Robert Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV, is viewed as a centrist, who holds both liberal and conservative positions

I wonder how this will play out.

I think the Italian cardinals have gotten used to non-Italian popes by now and actually prefer them. He does his own things out there in the world and leaves them alone in the Vatican to do their own thang. An Italian pope would be constantly up in their business.

"I wonder how this will play out."

If you're hoping gay marriage or even gay rights to be sanctioned by the Church, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Well no time soon r246, but I have a feeling the softening toward us will continue. Little compromises here and there, nothing terribly wonderful or dramatic, but slowly even the Church changes. Hating us just isn't as acceptable as it once was, at least in the West, and despite all those Third World Catholics, the West still sets a tone on things like this.

A rather florid-looking Timothy Cardinal Dolan putting a brave face on it.

It’s time to move the Holy See to the New World, as the selection of this pope and the last one shows. If they really want to keep Rome/Vatican City for sentimental reasons, then maybe establish a second capital in the U.S., like what was done with Byzantium.

I like how Cardinal Dolan is willing to be frank and honest in saying that it’s despite being from the Chicago area that Pope Leo is decent and honest.

R244 Francis was only kind of liberal - for a Catholic priest. He had a public face of “live and let live” and knew that normal people do not want a church leader raining fire and brimstone, lecturing them about theology and tut-tutting about the millions of way they are not perfect Christians. His best move was to spiritual support in a cold, economic rationalist world. So he pushed for female deacons, didn’t screech about the evils of homosexuality, blessed animals, showed concern for climate change and supported society’s most vulnerable. But doctrinally, Francis was pretty much by the book. I mean, he was a priest.

Leo may well be doctrinally and socially similar, but less warm and congenial. He is a math geek and a talented administrator, so I imagine we will see a drier personality.

[quote]For [R210]: in the language of the European country where I live, America is called "the USA" and the people from there "US Americans". So people often use that when speaking English (they're not used to using America/American).

What? I'm curious to know what country you're living in. I have never heard of such a thing.

In Italy, where I lived a few decades, people from the USA are known as "Americani". Canadians: "Canadesi". Mexicans: "Mexicani" and so on.

^ Messicani

R248 Dolan is having his moment! He will not stop talking. He's every here.

R245 according to the Italian press, it was after the third vote that Parolin called in his chits with the Italian cardinals to back Provost, who was closer to 2/3.

There’s an article, in Italian, at Corriera della Sera site.

[quote]He’s giving me Benedict vibes.

Well, it's hard to say - Benedict had that sour german look about him, but this guy has a kind face. But Frances wasn't afraid to kick the hornet's nest in regards to criticizing (if obliquely) world leaders, so it will be interesting to see what position this guy takes: shit stirrer or Santa in a satin gown

I get good vibes from this guy. Unlike other American cardinals like Chaput and Dolan, Prevost didn't spend a lot time on American golf courses hob-knobbing with rich assholes like Trump.

He was too busy coddling sex criminals

[quote] It’s time to move the Holy See to the New World, as the selection of this pope and the last one shows. If they really want to keep Rome/Vatican City for sentimental reasons, then maybe establish a second capital in the U.S., like what was done with Byzantium.

What a great idea! Let's move it to Palm Beach!

More secrets revealed on the voting—they like to talk

Does this mean The Vatican will become the 51st state? We could use the bucks.

More dirt

And more

Lo siento for the repeat

To those watching closely, Prevost ticked every quiet box. Born in the US, shaped by decades of missionary work in Peru, and fluent in English, Spanish and Italian, Prevost offered doctrinal orthodoxy paired with pastoral sensitivity. To outsiders, he had no obvious campaign, no crude media push. But he was known – and trusted.

Will he be a homophobe ? We can wonder where this pope will stand on weekend PnP boys bb and popper get togethers. Most likely like those who came before he will not be in favor..

Thanks for posting that SMH article, very illuminating.

[quote]To those watching closely, Prevost ticked every quiet box. Born in the US

That's the one box he didn't tick, it actively worked against him at the start.

[quote]But Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York was all smiles after the announcement, again playing the role of kingmaker. Dolan, who had backed Jorge Mario Bergoglio in 2013, played a similar role this time, but with greater intent. According to those in the know, in the days leading up to the conclave, the American – who is generally seen as orthodox and conservative – moved behind the scenes to unify a fractured US bloc. He brought together progressive cardinals such as Robert McElroy and Wilton Gregory with conservatives including Daniel DiNardo.

I HATE everything about this. What the fuck is Dolan getting in return from Prevost? He basically has him to thank for becoming pope. Eugh, this fucking timeline.

[quote]Inside the conclave the conservative African bloc never coalesced, weakened by the influence of Francis-era appointments.

Love this, though!

Dolan gets to flex. That is all, for the Archbishop of NY.

“If you can’t be an athlete, be an athletic supporter.”

[quote]Even the black smoke after the first round was delayed, he revealed, by an unexpectedly long speech from a 91-year-old cardinal.“It was splendid stuff,” Nichols told the UK’s Telegraph. “But it had been suggested that it would be half an hour at most.”

We speculated on DL something like this was going on. Some old fogey close to death just couldn't miss the opportunity to make it all about HIM.

“That's the one box he didn't tick, it actively worked against him at the start.”. Clearly not…duh

That’s the one thing that does not sound right…no cardinal over 80 even had a vote.

[quote]But in secular and progressive Catholic outlets, including The New York Times and The National Catholic Reporter, Prevost’s multilingualism, diplomatic finesse, and consensus-building credentials have been painted as a virtue.

The NYT is a Catholic outlet? How am I just finding out about that now?

😂

[quote]Asked whether the new pope might serve as a counterweight to current US politics, Dolan demurred: “He’s a bridge-builder, that’s what the word pontiff means.”

[quote]And as Leo XIV stepped into the light, Dolan stood near him, the strategist behind the smoke in a conclave where power moved not through noise, but through quiet consensus.

And of course the article ends with Dolan as well. I feel like he just installed his own puppet at the Vatican, Lord help us all.

[quote]Clearly not…duh

AT THE START, bitch. Learn how to read the full thing before commenting.

[quote]Before the conclave, he messaged his old friend: “I think you’d make a wonderful pope, but I hope for your sake it doesn’t happen.” Prevost’s response: “There’s no chance. I’m American.”

He knew it worked against him going into the conclave, but his other strengths managed to overcome it in that initial first vote already, which was surprisingly strong thanks to Dolan.

It sounds more like it had to do more with a united front of Latin American cardinals for Provost, and then Parolin called in his votes for him. Are you all sure Dolan isn't exaggerating his role and injecting himself into things he was never involved with? It's not like anyone is going to call him out on it and Dolan's a major self-promoter.

R237, what year were your grandparents born?

So is he black, given the One Drop Rule created by white people?

[quote]Are there really gay men who are religious Catholics? Mind blowing.

Your mind must be easily blown. There are gay men who are Catholic priests.

Do you live under a rock? Or are you just so committed to your too-cool hot take that you don't know any actual Catholics that you're just doubling down on the absurdity?

Living in Rome and seeing priest all the time, I just assume they are all gay. They all read very gay with few exceptions.

I posted this in the other thread, too, but that whole Dolan as King-maker thing reads like a PR piece.

But full disclosure -I can't be fair about Dolan because I dislike him.

When we visited the Vatican we noticed that a lot of the priests or whatever they are in the long black robes walked through St. Peter’s in the same fast paced subtly swishy way.

They haven’t had an Italian pope in 47 years, since the short-timer JP I. Up to that time they were all Italian. Since God guides the Cardinals in choosing the papal father I wonder why HE gave up on Italians.

They were not "all Italian" before JPI.

Damn, I looked back a few centuries and that’s what I saw. I knew I should have asked AI. Thanks for the correction.

[quote]I knew I should have asked AI.

Christ we are doomed.

"I should have asked AI" when this took 3 seconds on Wikipedia.

AI is just going to regurgitate all the dumb replies like yours saying "there were no non-Italians before JP I." Actual research is still a thing, hon. Use your brain for once.

God wanted an American pope and not a Dutch one Who are we to understand the almighty.

r280 I really don't know any gay men who are Catholic or religious at all. Maybe it's an East Coast thing. I dunno.

Dutch are too cunty.

R290 but I have seen Catholic Churches there and out in the open. Who ever said that all the Dutch Catholic Churches were hiding in attics was just wrong.

La Repubblica called him “the least American of Americans”, more shaped by Peru than by Washington. His moderate tone and global experience echoed aspects of Francis, without mimicking his style.

A quadrilingual cleric with global experience is not your typical American? No shit. Oh, and fuck off La Repubblica for your superfluous dig, and I'm no MAGAt.

On another note, I don't know why the poster who is surprised by Prevost's old mom is getting pushback. He didn't say it was impossible, but a woman giving birth at 47 is rare. When my mother had her last child in 1962 at the age of 34 people asked her if the birth was an accident.

[quote]what year were your grandparents born?

R278 - I'm not exactly sure. My father was adopted, and I was never able to find out my grandparents' names. However, knowing my father was born in the 1880s, they were easily born in the 1860s if not before.

[quote] The pontiff earlier laid out the vision of his papacy Saturday, identifying artificial intelligence as one of the most critical matters facing humanity and vowing to continue with some of the core priorities of Pope Francis.

[quote]In his first formal audience, Leo repeatedly cited Francis and the Argentine pope’s own 2013 mission statement, making clear a commitment to making the Catholic Church more inclusive and attentive to the faithful and a church that looks out for the “least and rejected.”

Until WW2 about 60% of the Netherlands was protestant (Calvinist) and 35% Catholic (Mostly in the south and around Utrecht. Now more than half the population have no religion and about 20% are Catholic and Protestant are about 15%.

The Sun-Times went with "Da Pope!" as the P1 hed.

(I don't know who this tweeter is but he's followed by the pope.)

And the Dutch still have active functioning mass holding Catholic Churches still hiding in an attic. I have been in one.

The Dutch and their damn attics!

[quote]Aren't Augustinians where Jesuit rejects go?

Here we go.

I sense evil in this man. His family says he was "sensitive"---which is old timey slang for GAY. And he was focused on YOUTH MINISTRIES?... That tells me everything I need to know. Not kidding. I once knew a freak who got involved with youth ministries. The FBI showed up at his door with a search warrant after multiple accusers spoke up.

[quote]His family says he was "sensitive"---which is old timey slang for GAY. And he was focused on YOUTH MINISTRIES?

So you're saying gay men are suspect around children? You might be on the wrong website.

R281, read In The Closet of the Vatican, it’s great stuff. Cardinals are the alpha queens.

Wow R293, your father was born in 1880. How old are you?

Don't sense evil but Rob seems very tightly wound and a bit of a cold fish .He may just be an introvert (strange quality in a Pope) Already miss the avuncular warmth & spontenaity of Jorge.

Just what the world needs another American sociopath.

The Florida Prevost brother.

Prior to conclave, Sister Rose Pacatte geeked out over meeting Nora Roberts and made her prediction.

Then they reunited

Brother of Pope jokes about giving his brother nookie.

Definatley Murican

The brothers are milking it a bit too much already.

How can you tell the pope is American?

Because the current owner of his childhood home already jacked up the selling price for 500%.

nookie r309? What are they, the Menendez brothers? I think you mean NOOGIE.

R312 I think you need to Google: Sarcasm CAPS FRAU.

Where is the irony in the use of sex between two brothers to show contempt for America in the post R313? I think you need to google SARCASM and explain to me where it is in r309’s post. And I’ll capitalize WHATEVER the fuck I want. It’s how you convey tone, you bitch.

R314 do you work on being a trite bore or does it come to you NATURALLY hon?

Stop it boys, you're being mean. This is a thread about the Pope.

Thought it was thread about the POPE.

poPe..get it write.

R303 - I'm 69. My father was already retired when I was born.

Any relation to Marie?

[quote]Prevost died on January 21, 1937, at the age of 40, evidently from the combination of acute alcoholism and malnutrition stemming from anorexia nervosa. Her body was not discovered until January 23 after neighbors complained about her dog's incessant barking. A houseboy found her body after entering her room. Police found several empty liquor bottles in the room along with a promissory note to Joan Crawford for $110.

I'll get banned again but you know he's tasted boy ass over and over again. What happened to the days when Popes had semi-secret wives and hordes of illegitimate kids?

It's typical Dolan to over inflate his roles and exaggerate his influence after the fact. He is shameless. I doubt seriously whether he said three words to Cardinal Prevost before the Conclave. In fact in one interview he actually seemed dismissive...until the election.

R320, I'm ashamed to say that's the first thing I thought of when he was announced. Although I thought her name was Provost. I guess Nick Lowe misled me.

[quote]I'll get banned again but you know he's tasted boy ass over and over again.

You *should* be banned for making such a stupid comment.

Look at him at Francis tomb today. Can't put my finger on it but something is very off putting about Pope Bob.

Pope Leo is obviously on the Spectrum people!

Leona don't let the dress wear you dear!

R324 she's back

Boys and priests? Well I never!

what I found off putting was the noise and the talking and the cameras and all that shit when the Pope went into the basilica to pay respects and to pray at Papa Franciscus's tomb. I hope things settle down for the Pope in the sense that he can do what he was chosen to do and be the spiritual leader of 1.4 billion Catholics and others who may be influenced by him. The media disgusts me.

So R319 your father was 76 years old when you were born in 1956?

r325 did we watch the same footage? He wasn't offputting. Pope Benny OTOH...yeesh.

I think he looks pretty good on the video at R325 - he seems to be handling the whole scene pretty well, considering how overwhelming it must be.

Papists are always good for a laugh.

R330 'all that shit" is part of the job. Francis is a hard act to follow. Bob needs to up his game.

You *should* be burned for making such a stupid comment.

fixed for Papist fanatic R324

[QUOTE]what I found off putting was the noise and the talking and the cameras and all that shit when the Pope went into the basilica to pay respects and to pray at Papa Franciscus's tomb.

Yet he did, and managed his own notable name, the last Leo XIII who railed against new industrial capitalism when humans kept getting mulched over and over, AGAIN!

R300 “ I sense evil” you knew someone? A freak That settles it for me if you actually knew someone

I knew of a small group of gay men that would lure other gay men to a house , drug them, and then inject them with syringes full of HIV+ blood.

I can sense evil as well

Those men being Dutch was in no way an excuse for their behavior. Let’s all generalize because we know some freaks?

[quote]VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Leo XIV called for a genuine and just peace in Ukraine and an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, in his first Sunday noon blessing as pontiff that featured some symbolic gestures suggesting a message of unity in a polarized Catholic Church.

[quote]“I too address the world’s great powers by repeating the ever-present call ‘never again war,’” Leo said from the loggia of St. Peter’s Basilica to an estimated 100,000 people below.

I think I love him

Ooooh daddy

Good luck with that.

"Genuine and just peace" in Ukraine sounds like a more anti-Russian position than Francis had, who if I remember right signaled willingness to let Russia keep conquered areas for the sake of peace. No peace without justice.

Charisma of toe nail fungus.

R339 Who the hell does the translation for the AP???

'May the fire cease immediately'????

That’s European English for ya!

I think Rob, the new pope, and and his middle brother, John, are gay.

The new pope used to say Mass and give out communion using his mother's ironing board as an altar when he was six. And middle bother, John, is a retired principal of a Catholic high school.

And that makes them gay? Dunce.

Is everybody gay???!!!

R348. Yes, that makes them gay. It doesn't take much.

[Quote]As to late in life Catholic pregnancies - I have an uncle who is 16 years younger than my mother - he was born in 53, when my grandmother was 47.

I think there's a more than reasonable chance that what you have there is actually a brother, not an uncle.

The AP article seems to care quite a bit about Leo's fashion choices.

Will GQ being doing a cover story soon?

Gangsters Quarterly

Clerical social media is hilarious. They don’t preach hellfire and brimstone, but to a person 1) tweet out random prayers, 2) cheer on sports teams 3) are customarily bitchy.

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I have now seen multiple social media posts complaining that as an American, Leo should have made his first pronouncements and celebrated his first mass in English (one person even called it “American English”, whatever that is).

Not really getting the whole Latin as the language of the Vatican and Italian as the language of Italy concept.

Latin is not the language of the Vatican—Italian is. No one speaks Latin in the ordinary course, they read Latin (sometimes out loud).

So many stupid people here…

Well, it turns out the Florida brother is a MAGAt. Quelle surprise...

I can see why he's closer with John.

R357 -Where did you get that idea from? Latin is the "official" language of the Vatican and is used in the primary documents rendered. Day-to-day activities are conducted in Italian.

R357 I thought your post was OK but someone smarter suggested your post was stupid thus proving your point about DL being full of stupid

Its great to see people agree on something here

One of the stupid people being you, R357.

You’re American, aren’t you?

R357 USA! USA! USA!

The late Father Reginald Foster, who was American, most definitely spoke Latin in the Vatican and vehemently pushed spoken Latin.

I'm already missing Francis and I'm not even Catholic. Bring him back!

This guy just doesn't measure up, he's gonna bring endless drama (see: his brother) as we all could sense an American pope would.

R363 one priest, now dead?! Got it.

R361 if you think Vatican officials, bureaucrats and staff spend their days talking and chatting in Latin….well, I pity you.

R359 can you read? Your link lays it out, as I noted:

Shilling Bob as the "Calm Pope" because Francis was such a hysterical drama kween.

I'm looking at the MAGA brother's Facebook page. His facebook postings are much worse than what the Daily Beast reported. The brother posted misogynist memes about Kamala Harris leading up to the election and imo that the shit he posted about Harris is worse than the Pelosi stuff reported the in Daily Beast. HuffPo also ran an article about the brother's Facebook activities and they just mention the Pelosi stuff, conspiracy theory crap about Obama, and things about trans kids. HuffPo like The Daily Beast isn't reporting on the things he posted about Harris. There were also plenty of hateful posts about Biden as well.

The moment they said he had a brother in Florida and the news Media seemed to focus on the other nice brother, I knew this one had to be a MAGAt.

If he's a true MAGAt he will not be impressed with his brother being Pope since they hated Francis for being a "commie Liberal" and Pope Leo obviously reveres and loved Francis. I don't recall any other Pope visiting the grave of his immediate predecessor to pray. I like Leo. He's not going to have an easy time with the Media who will insist on emphasizing his American roots.

[quote]I don't recall any other Pope visiting the grave of his immediate predecessor to pray. I like Leo.

They all do, it's tradition. Although it took Francis a couple of weeks.

Interesting article I found from 2007.

[quote]Soon after his election to the pontificate on April 19, 2005, Benedict XVI was invited by Fr. Robert Prevost, Prior General of the Augustinian order, to come and venerate the remains of St. Augustine which are conserved in the Basilica of San Pietro in Cieldoro, in Pavia. Having accepted invitation, the Holy Father will visit the Basilica where he will light a votive candle before the Saint's casket in perennial memory of his visit.

Probably because the remains were rediscovered under one of the previous Benedicts (twice removed).

[quote]In 1695, the bones believed to be St. Augustine's were rediscovered in the wall of the Church of San Pietro in Ciel d'Oro, where they had been hidden for centuries. Following this rediscovery, Pope Benedict XIII directed the Bishop of Pavia to conduct a strict examination. The Bishop concluded that, in his opinion, the bones were indeed those of St. Augustine.

Not feeling as hopeful as last week. He seems to be a lot more conservative than Francis, especially towards LGBT.

Post-nut clarity, r375. I feel the same way.

Well, as much as I admired Francis, I like Leo's attitude toward Ukraine much more. Francis said Ukraine should not be afraid to wave the white flag... probably his lowest moment in my eyes.

Today Leo also called for the release of imprisoned journalists.

And the fact that he went out of his way to shame JD Vance was the cherry on top.

It's as if people here don't have a MAGA sibling, parent, or close relative. My sister isn't full-on MAGA, but she definitely voted for him. Almost everyone I know (except for my black friends) have a MAGA relative, often siblings. It means nothing. Not about us or the Pope. So many here trying to trash the guy, or spread doom and gloom. Let his actions speak and then we'll see.

I don't know what his current stance is on LGBT overall. I see he said something in 2012 which has been reported over and over and over again. Anything more recent would be helpful.

But really, I'll wait to see what he says and does as pope before getting discouraged.

The brother's Facebook has tons of memes bitching about "illegals" and how they should all be deported and in one meme he states that they should be flown out of the country. There also posts that have Islamphobic undertones in reference to Illhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. He also posted a meme of AI generated pic of Kamala Harris standing near a "Haitian Grill Restaurant" with animals around. That is pretty hateful and racist.

Last Thursday, Charlie Kirk posted on Facebook that Pope Leo is a registered Republican which media outlets reported on. But, that doesn't really mean shit when it comes to MAGA. There have been some Republicans who have loathed Trump since the beginning for different reasons. Pope Leo is clearly conservative on LGBT issues, but he seems to follow Pope Francis' beliefs of helping the poor, migrants, and workers. He doesn't seem to be a fan of Trump or Vance. He's not going to be another Francis type. He will likely be a centrist.

Why are you considering the Pope through the fractured view of domestic U.S. politics? That’s not how the Church works. What a waste of time.

By the way, do you’re own damn research; Prevost was registered to vote in IL, which doesn’t even have party-specific registration.

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Nobody said that, R366, but the official language is the official language.

Keep digging…^

r379 Let us wring our hands a bit, it's so much fun.

A little self deprecating humor in English.

The friggin' pope speaking in American English makes me want to wake up into an actual reality because the current one is surely just a cruel jape.

His Holiness’ brother Louis has now been outed as a Trumptard.

Do catch up —-we all know

r388 Good luck to the people trying to cancel him, that's all I'm gonna say. If the trannies couldn't cancel Francis after he compared them to nukes...

Do fuck right off R389,, we also know you’re a worthless cunt.

[QUOTE][R359] can you read? Your link lays it out, as I noted:

Keep choking that chicken.

R390, criticizing people isn't canceling them.

True, but the implied end goal with these kinds of exposés is usually a cancellation. Which obviously isn't happening in this case.

We just have to hope he's nothing like his disturbed brother. In the best case scenario, Leo will be informed of this drama and will try to overcompensate by leaning into the anti-MAGA sentiment. Although I'd be fine with him ignoring the US for the next four years as well. Just pretend it doesn't exist.

I don't care whether the brother posts MAGA crap. Robert Prevost is pope. I care about what he says, not the brother.

Many of us here have MAGA relatives and/or friends. It doesn't mean we hold the same views.

The problem might be that he came out of left field and hasn't done anything as pope (yet). But we need a narrative about high-profile individuals immediately, to tell us where they stand vis-à-vis MAGA. Someone in another thread commented that this comes from the need to filter everything through the lens of American politics. Doubly so now because the pope is also an American.

I think we'll soon see he's pretty benign and we'll all unclench. I hope so, at least.

The fact that he criticized JD Vance is all I need to know. I didn't even need to know that - the fact that he voluntarily left the US to work in rural Peru for many years tells me he's not MAGA. That seems pretty obvious to me.

I think there are enough clues in his social media and his statements over the past several days to show that he is decidedly not MAGA.

R397 he criticized Vance on the Johnny-come-lately-Catholic’s public misrepresentation of a basic point in Catholic theology.

It’s crazy you queens obsessing over this man. You think the Catholic Church actually affects any policy that touches your life? Leo has about as much influence as King Charles. Whether he loves or hates gays is not going to affect your life one iota.

[quote] There also posts that have Islamphobic undertones in reference to Illhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. He also posted a meme of AI generated pic of Kamala Harris standing near a "Haitian Grill Restaurant" with animals around. That is pretty hateful and racist.

Is he a DLer?

In one of the videos Louis talked about ribbing his little brother for being "so holy" when they were kids. They must have been like Goofus and Gallant.

[quote] In the best case scenario, Leo will be informed of this drama and will try to overcompensate by leaning into the anti-MAGA sentiment.

R394 This is kind of a provincial attitude.

Gee, the actual POPE better signal some Blue State virtue to make sure he’s not coming over as MAGA-adjacent! You know, like she-devil Susan Sarandon!

It will, indirectly at least r400. The Church still affects the opinions of over 1 billion people. It's not absolute, it's not like the surrounding culture doesn't matter, nobody outside the Vatican itself actually lives in a Catholic theocracy. But the Pope's words and actions do subtly or sometimes bluntly affect people's attitudes. If he leans toward the views of some African cardinals, that we are all horrible sinners who probably shouldn't exist at all, then yes, that would be bad.

I don't think he will. I think he will lean more toward continuing the outreach of Francis. I don't think he'll suddenly declare that gay marriage is awesome and every gay person should try it. I suspect it will be more subtle than that. More like, if you are gay (and not the old idea, that you are really straight but just don't know it yet), but if you are gay, hey, maybe be monogamous and try to be faithful and loving and not promiscuous. Personally, I don't care if anybody is promiscuous or not, but for the Church, that's a step toward acceptance, and slowly but surely acceptance leads to gay rights more generally.

[quote] I suspect it will be more subtle than that. More like, if you are gay (and not the old idea, that you are really straight but just don't know it yet), but if you are gay, hey, maybe be monogamous and try to be faithful and loving and not promiscuous

My guess is that he won’t say much about that at all. It’s not 2015 any more. Gay marriage is not a hot topic. Even the trans/gender hysteria has quieted down a bit. There are other fish to fry.

Post-Benedict, the Church seems to have wised up about not advertising their sexism and homophobia, and their messaging has been heavy on Christ-like humanist teachings advocating for the poor, the dispossessed, refugees and for peace.

Leo has criticised the USA immigration policies, advocated for social justice and spoken of valuing humans over AI. (And he’s a math guy.) My suspicions is that his interests lie apart from the culture war stuff.

Also, most Catholics now are in Latin America and Africa, not Europe or the US. His focus is not going to be on US culture war issues.

The U.S. has the fourth largest Catholic population, after the three obvious countries.

But Christians are the majority, r407, and they see Catholics as demonic.

Catholics are the largest Christian denomination in the US—where do you people get your idea of “Christian?” The ignorance of Catholicism on the DL is outdone only by ignorance of the Constitution. Never ceases to amaze…

Yes r408, most Protestants in the U.S. consider Catholics "demonic." That is absolutely a thing that is true all over, and not just in whatever hillbilly town spawned you.

Where do you get your nunsense from?

Mainline Protestant denominations hate Catholics? No, dear.

Let's not get too sanctimonious..Pelosi has been called a cunt many times on DL.

R392 is a mistaken idiot with nothing coherent to say but who is determined to share this with the rest of us.

You seem determined to get the last word in despite being recognized as being so abjectly wrong by others on this thread besides me, r414. You seem to lack pride, among other things, so keep going.

You seem humorless.

GIRLS! GIRLS! You've BOTH got a new daddy!!!

… Leo could well end up being the pope who makes it clear that the reason Catholic doctrine does not fit well into American politics is that it makes heavier demands than partisans on either side are willing to bear...

1) Catholics are Christians and always were.

2) Protestants aren't all Evangelicals, most are mainline and moderate,

3) the "Catholics aren't Christian"/"the pope is the anti christ" beliefs are exclusively from right wing conservative Evangelical Jesus freaks in the US. Not mainstream. Not widespread. If you're furthering this canard, even jokingly, you are also a moron.

Without Catholicism there’d be no Christians of any denomination.

shit, now you've done it r420. The Orthodox Are Not Gonna Be Ignored, Dan!

Where do you think they came from?

Well, depends how you look at it r422, but you can certainly make a case the Catholics were the ones that split away from the Orthodox, and not the other way around. It is all a bit of a tangle though.

Oh, it's all a lot of nonsense about imaginary sky gods telling us what to do because we're afraid of dying.

That’s why I said the western world r404. And I love how people say the largest catholic population is in the United States. Do you know how many “Catholics” in the United States haven’t stepped inside a church in 10 years? Probably1/3 of their population . I would say a great number of them would call themselves non-practicing Catholics. The church’s doctrine has scant effect on American /. European culture..

What pray tell is the western world—more nonsense

For R426:

[quote]The "Western world" generally refers to countries in Europe and the Americas that have undergone rapid modernization and are associated with Western European culture. This includes most of the European Union, the UK, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In a political sense, it also often includes countries that were formerly part of the Eastern bloc but have since joined the EU and NATO

R419 gets it right.

The Schism of 1054 was mutual excommunication, R423. The Churches started at the same time, and one has no more authority than the other.

The Holy See has so much more authority than the Eastern Orthodox.

The rest of North and South America are a part of the western world.

quote [The church’s doctrine has scant effect on American /. European culture..]

R425, I disagree. Catholic or non-Catholic, believer or not, the pope does have the power of moral suasion across the globe, thanks to Pope Francis. The Catholic Church lost much moral authority within and outside the church in the last thirty + years because of its handling of the sexual abuse of children. Before that, it had lost a great deal of moral authority because of its stand on birth control, the role of women in the church, and its views on homosexuality. Francis changed that to an extent. Speaking to reform of the church, he did not change doctrine, but he nudged the church closer to acceptance of greater roles for women and acceptance of homosexuality, gay relationships, and transgendered persons. As for the sex abuse scandal, there is still a way to go, but dealing with the crisis is far better today than it was under JP II or Benedict.

Most importantly, Francis proved worthy of his namesake. The picture of him embracing a severely disfigured man spoke to the essence of Christianity -- love of neighbor. He was pastoral for both believer and non-believer. His was a powerful voice chastising the developed nations and peoples of the world for its treatment of the poor, the migrant, and the earth. It looks like Leo will continue in Francis' footsteps. His will be a powerful voice against the selfishness, greed, and cruelty that has taken hold in much of the developed world.

Both believer and non-believer need such a voice.

Is his brother the one that said many times he hoped all those who voted differently than him would die? No I am pretty sure that was all on DL.

So how nutty and un-American is this maga brother?

Both brothers would be right at home here: one with the educated gays, the other with the klan grannies.

They both hate women and gays, R434. They both ignore the child abuse in the church. Stop projecting your fantasies onto the new pope. His record does not reflect your fantasies.

My sources inform me that the new pope and his brother are not likely to be supporters of trans surgery and treatment . I have not confirmed this yet.

They're also not likely supporters of gay marriage. The new pope bemoaned "sympathy for homosexual relationships" just a decade ago. He hates us just as much as the trans; like all of our enemies they don't make these distinctions.

R435 I said nothing about the Pope. I said it about his two brothers. Read better.

The point is Leo XIV is gonna be the Pope and lead his church in the direction he believes is a truly Christ like way. He will follow in the footsteps of Francis, and be more inclusive, and he'll be accessible simply because he is younger and healthier. He has made it clear he favors peace not war, and has already reached out to Zelenskyy. He has spent a lifetime ministering to the poor and the sick in rural Peru. The very name he chose speaks to his embrace of people who labor and struggle. How anyone can pull anything MAGA like from any of that is nuts. Some people just aren't very bright. There are Popes who were rigid, doctrinaire scolds, and then there were guys like Pope John the XXIII who Francis canonized. I believe we will see a pope in Leo XIV who is going to be channeling both John XXIII and Francis. As for his brother, the Florida MAGAt, who gives a shit. He is not unique. He is that guy: our uncle, brother, neighbor, co worker, boss who is avoided whenever possible. I got the impression there was some distance between them. I didn't see it reported on the news that Leo called him a bunch of times. The older brother is an asshole. So what. He clearly doesn't speak for Leo XIV.

You seem ready to fight everyone over everything. Calm the fuck down, hon.

The Pope is not going to come out in support of gay marriage . But he is no more likely than Trump is to start outright attacking gay marriage and trying to end it.

This Pope though will not be supportive of PnP, gang bangs, poppers, or anal fisting at the baths , so if someone is holding out hope he might I’d say not a chance.

The Pope gave a stirring defense of free speech and condemned imprisoning journalists, etc. the other day, so I think he's going to be just fine.

I don't understand this fixation? Most who are counted as Roman Catholic don't pay much attention to the hierarchy in the first place, while the rest of the world totally uninvolved.

Well, both clauses of your second sentence are inaccurate. There’s a place to start.