BBC dating show I Kissed A Boy is BACK

That’s a sad selection.

Jack has a tattoo of his nan's name on his neck? Who does he think he is, Christopher Maloney?

Jack D for me, thank you.

r1 It does seem to be light on the tops.

A load of bottoms and a woman. Can't wait to not watch it.

Imagine the emotional episode where Lars takes his top off and discusses his scars from the double mastectomy. No doubt the surgery will have been life saving despite lots of chubby gays having their own bitch tits.

I’m exhausted.

I Kissed a Them

They're gonna be under so much pressure from the socials to try and get it on with the tranny at least once. Brave new world.

I had a friend I ceased contact with recently for several reasons.

He was a dedicated bottom who did drag occasionally and when it came to trans issues he despised JK Rowling for her hatred of trans women and thought she was worse than the Nazis etc. He also hated straight women "pretending" to be gay men on Grindr.

Not one of those10 are kissable. Fug.

I really liked Season One of this.

Lars: I Kissed a Boy isn't just the fun reality TV show that we all know and love - it is a celebration of queer love in all its forms. And I am honestly so proud to be the first trans person on the show. Growing up, I never saw stories like mine reflected on screen, so to be a part of something that embraces and normalises LGBTQ+ relationships means the absolute world to me. It's messy, it's joyful, it's real and it is exactly the kind of representation we need.

No thanks.

I think the BBC will have asked them to sign contracts that state there might be trans on the show, and by signing they agree they are okay with kissing trans men as well as gay/bi men.

The catering company had been asked to have trays of cookies on hand at all times for sniffing.

[quote]I think the BBC will have asked them to sign contracts that state there might be trans on the show, and by signing they agree they are okay with kissing trans men as well as gay/bi men.

Yeah, the BBC would make sure these gay/queer gay men knew in advance there was a possibility they were kissing a female. After the There's Something About Miriam scandal this format is the easiest to be "trans inclusive". An all lesbian show would be harder to justify the inclusion of a male lesbian and there's no way a T girl is going into a show like Love Island.

I saw a clip of Dannii Minogue on a podcast saying this is the first show she's done where she was offered mental health support.

Jack S is gorgeous, wouldnt say no to Jordan R, Rory or Reuben either

R14 yeah they gonna need an 18 wheeler to bring all them cookies in

AKA The Hideous Shirt Show

Gayfaces

C- at best - and trans BS - pass.

I'll take that 22 year old irish apple cake Rory, from Galway, sweet and covered with cream. Not the most masculine of young men you I just know he'll be charming. Yet quite a dirty-minded fucker.

There’s not an attractive one to be found.

Almost all of them look trans.

The black guy, the one to his immediate left, and the one two to his right are the only fuckable ones I see.

One of them is r22, a trans "man", i.e. woman and a heterosexual one at that.

[quote]As well as gender, Lars has had to tackle his sexuality too, “I didn’t have an attraction to girls, I always liked guys. I felt like a gay guy trapped in a woman's body.”

The Indian is kinda cute. The others are uggh. What's with the blond queen in the tacky knit sweater? I can see right now they're presenting a bunch of stereotypes, not real gay men.

None of them are boys.

Bread and circuses. Appalling crap and the BBC once again proving it hasn’t a clue.

Did they tell them all to buy the most colorful or ill-fitting shirt they could find? Seriously - and what's with the side head poses and shit?

Not an ounce of testosterone between them

R28 Homos can’t sit in chairs properly or hold their heads straight.

Try it. It’s impossible.

[QUOTE]I saw a clip of Dannii Minogue on a podcast saying this is the first show she's done where she was offered mental health support.

Did she need it? Some distress related to the show?

Representatives from LGB Alliance, which has been classified as an anti-trans hate group, are not happy, and have written to Tim Davie, Director-General of the BBC, about the "homophobia displayed in the casting of a trans identified female in their upcoming series of ‘I Kissed A Boy’"

They posted on X:

[quote]I Kissed A Boy will be watched by many young people who are just becoming aware of their same sex attraction. How many young men will take away the message that it’s "transphobic" to have sexual boundaries or that it’s bigoted not to be attracted to women?

It's odd that the elder gays and elder lesbians at LGB Alliance proclaim to be speaking on behalf of young gay men, who may or may not be open to dating a trans man. Do they really require protection? Is anyone really going to be "pressured" into kissing or dating a trans man? Most young men I know have no problem turning anyone down at the drop of a hat.

As usual in the UK, only right-wing media are reporting on this. Apologies for Daily Telegraph link.

They are classified as anti-trans hate by....TRANS because they won't go along with everything trans say.

It's performative - they will somehow keep the trans man on for a few episodes while everyone tip-toes around the subject knowing full well none of the others will pick him. And it's not healthy for the trans man's mental health - wondering if he's really wanted there, if someone likes him, if he's being kept on because he's trans or because he has a chance with the guys.

Why do we need a trans man? Let them have their own show. You think straight people would be cool with having trans women and men in a similar show? No they would not.

Now we have one of the few gay shows on TV and of course, it has to be shared with a non-bio man who will never be picked.

It’s cute how they all seem to think that going on a reality dating show and talking about themselves equates to some kind of social justice.

A pathological need for attention with solipsism masquerading as progress says so much about our current moment.

Yuck!!! They are what keeps me going to the gym! 50% of guys I see at the gym are hotter than any of them

So, r32, what you're saying is that some young gay men are open to dating females? Then they're not gay, they're bisexual. Bisexual men have always existed, it's not just a thing amongst younger men.

I bet none of the men on this show are really open to dating this particular female. They kind of have to say it to get on the show and because they're afraid of being called transphobic. What a terrible message from the BBC, however, the idea that gay people are happy to date individuals of the opposite sex if they have the same "gender identity" (made-up, bullshit term).

R36: I completely agree with you that sexual orientation is based on sex/same-sex (not same-gender) attraction and that any man who is capable of attraction to a trans men is, by definition, somewhere on the bisexual spectrum. I believe that people are attracted to, and fall in love with, the totality of a person, and that includes their smell/scent, gait, the timbre of their voice, the proportions of their body, the fact that they were raised as a boy/girl and the common experience they might share as a result, and so on. Very few (if any) trans people are able to fully emulate that, and it's not helpful to anyone to be dishonest about it for the sake of kindness. I think it's harmful--not only to gay men and women but also to the activists pushing this--to pretend that attraction is based on gender identity. Attraction is a complex mix of physical, physiological, sexual, emotional, and sometimes even spiritual elements, and the people who have redefined same-sex attraction as same-gender attraction deliberately oversimplify this process, to the point of being insulting to homosexuals (which they view as a dated, restrictive term).

If you re-read my post, you'll find that what I was questioning is LGB Alliance standing up for young gay boys/men, whom they perceive to feel under pressure to date and have sex with trans boys/men (that is, beyond the context of just this BBC TV show). As I said, most men, younger or older, have zero problem turning down anyone they have no sexual interest in. I don't think they need the likes of Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, and Malcolm Clark to defend them. I am skeptical ('sceptical' for the Brits) of the existence of the lonely young gay boy who is indoctrinated into dating trans boys for fear of being thought transphobic. Can *you*, in all honesty, imagine such a scenario? The elder gays at LGB Alliance can sometimes, understandably, project their own twentieth-century childhoods onto today's youth, who are far more clued up at a far younger age, also due to exposure to youth-oriented TV shows that contain characters representiing all types and sexual orientations, such as (whatever you might think of them) Heartstopper, Sex Education, 13 Reasons Why, Elite, etc.

At the same time, as an elder gay, I am also trying to keep up with the times. I try to be open-minded and understand that there *may* be a new, far younger generation out there of men who are willing to completely accept trans men as part of their community, social life, and so on, in a way that is far more noble and accepting than I might be capable of as someone of an older vintage. I think the elder gays from the LGB Alliance (who are more like me) would do well to maybe actually talk to young gay men and women in their teens and twenties before speaking on their behalf. There's a whole world out there, and they appear quite closed off from it.

For the record: I also don't agree with Peter Tatchell's views on trans, and actually doubt that those are even really his views. He is certainly less than convincing these days.

Faces unclouded by thought.

‘How watching I Kissed A Boy made me realise I wasted my youth’

"I was everything I didn’t want to be and I’d look around at everyone else who just seemed to be so happy in their own skin," writes Adam Miller in an op-ed, following the triumphant return of the Dannii Minogue-fronted show

I watched the first episode and didn't bother with the second.

For all the "diversity" there isn't much really. There are no himbo steroid muscle queens, no fatties, no delusional straight acting/straight looking/straight talking guys and no right wingers.

Yeah they all seem like the same "type", fem twinks with low-level jobs.

So many fugs

The next series should be a group of trans and non binary pansexuals who are put in a villa and left to their own devices.

Really enjoying this! What an entertaining bunch of people. Ruben is HOT.

I saw a clip where the female guy got dumped with the "it's not you it's me" classic.

It's understandable that a gay man would not feel attracted to a gay man with a vagina.

Nah, I'm good.

Don't make me say it...

(Not counting you ma'am)

Ew Ruben the hottie made out with Lars.

[quote]I saw a clip where the female guy got dumped with the "it's not you it's me" classic.

That's just sad. It feels like they're exploiting her.

Yes, everybody on reality TV's getting exploited but this seems more egregious somehow.

Does the trans guy still have its pussy?

Having the trans man Lars on this show is a cruel joke: cruel on Lars, and cruel on those in Lars's would-be "dating pool." 'Cruel to be kind' (i.e., telling Lars there is no place for Lars on the show) would have been better.

We've had the standard MY AWFUL LIFE AS A GAY story from one of the contestants.

This man was born in 1996.

Stephen Gately came out in when he was 3 years old

Will Young won X Factor and was out when he was 6 years old.

Section 28 was abolished when he was 7 years old.

Civil partnerships were made legal when he was 9 years old and same sex marriage when he was 18.

I find it so strange that men of his age felt that being gay was like having chains around his neck. Mary!

Where can we (not) watch this?

I agree to a point, R52, but you don't really know that guy's individual circumstances: homophobic parents/family, religious background, from a rural town, conservative school/community, internalized homophobia, lack of 'real-life' gay role models, gay-related social isolation/shyness, etc. Wider societal acceptance does not necessarily diminish people's individual struggles or translate to an easier life for most gay people. There are parts of the UK that can still be quite homophobic, even if you came of age in the 2000s/2010s.

R53 - get yourself a VPN (not a VPL) and watch here:

R52 - he's Welsh. Outside of the big British cities I'd imagine homophobia is far more prevalent.

R56 - he grew up in Swansea. It's a pleasant small city not the back of beyond.

So what's the format exactly: they kiss, have a chat, decide if they like each other and leave together or press the fuck-off button and move onto the next one? Do they have a set number of guys they can choose to 'date'? Does the show pick for them?

It all seems a bit chaste and timid given that the Love Island straight couples are having sex in the villa. I guess the BBC can't quite deal with gay male sexuality and so has selected contestants who spend much more time evolving and posting online about their various identities than actually dating and having sex?

R37 You do make some very solid points. The LGB Alliance has always seemed like a group of older people both consumed by trauma/bitterness from having lived through the homophobic and AIDS-threatened 1980s/1990s and also somehow deeply resentful about not being listened to or given due deference by younger gay people who don't share their views. They don't want to be seen attacking the trans contestant directly, because that will be unappealing, so they weaponise victimhood by claiming that the BBC is somehow homophobic for including a trans person, despite the fact that these men are adults and will presumably have been told that their dates could be trans.

A playbook that sometimes works for them when debating trans women and womens' spaces rather flops here, and no 'trans activists' to blame everything on either.

I still can't get over the fact they actually released a single. Perhaps a moment of peak absence of self-awareness, or indeed awareness of anything contemporary in music or culture.

Concerned European, you've said you haven't watched the show so can you stop hijacking this thread with your anti TERF posts?

Maybe start your own thread where you and likeminded folk can discuss your favourite FTMs.

Maybe start with Chiyo.

Social acceptance of homosexuality in the UK has improved very rapidly over the last 30 years, but it will still have been difficult for him to grow up feeling he was different from most people, even if accepting, around him. I also suspect that some level of bisexuality is more common in the population than we think. Maybe that's the next frontier in the sexual revolution and it'll boil the piss of LGB alliance even more.

R61 Duh, I asked questions about the show because I GENUINELY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. You could perhaps have told me rather than posting pictures of the trans people who live rent-free in your head.

R59 thinks female Lars is a man.

R64 A *transman. The qualifier is necessary, I don't pretend that trans people and cis people are the same.

R65 thinks gay men are attracted to people with vaginas.

R66 Are all of them gay? Does it actually say that anywhere?

R59/ConcernedEuropean: the LGB Alliance is more of a social organization for gender-critical, disaffected elder gays than a "charity." I happen to like Dennis Kavanagh (though I learned of his meth addiction here on DL), Clive Simpson, Jack David, Mr Menno, and Gareth Roberts, but the LGB Alliance, while not a 'hate group' per se, is an odd organization. They were founded, by their own account, to represent the specific interests of gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals, yet when you look at the program(me) for their annual conference/gathering, the discussion topics are all about trans: the apparent threat that trans people pose to the notion of homosexuality, the disgrace that is Stonewall, detransitioners, trans women on lesbian dating apps, gender-critical feminists being hounded out of their jobs, 'Eunuchs' in the WPATH Standards of Care, cancelled gender-critical celebrities, transgender care in other countries, and so on. In fact, they spend so much time talking about trans that there is, seemingly, no room left for panels on problems affecting the gay community.

Literally from the show's website

[quote]The path to love is never straight. Pop goddess Dannii Minogue plays Cupid in the UK’s first ever gay dating show.

R68 I knew Kavanagh a little years back: smart guy and good with words, but very, very badly damaged by his early years. He seems to have gotten sucked into this cause and made it his life, like a less extreme version of Glinner. His husband is older and Mr. Normal.

Yes, this is why I think the term 'hate group' is not totally off the mark: their entire focus is on trans while occasionally nodding to issues affecting L, G, and B people without involving trans. In a strange way, even though the leading figures are all gay, it's almost as if they have appropriated gay advocacy for their anti-trans movement so as to make it look like they are sticking up for the marginalised rather than hating on a different group of marginalised. Certainly, they are scathing about other LGB people who don't share their views.

In fact, I'm pretty sure they've never made any kind of statement or had any discussion about bisexuals. Given their dedication to policing the boundaries of sexuality and identity I'm almost surprised they haven't expelled the Bs too, they seem very much like the kind of gay people who think bisexuals are just pretending and haven't fully come out of the closet yet.

R70 That doesn't say the contestants are all gay, it just says the dates will be. Perhaps 'Queer show' would be more accurate, but that word tends to boil the piss of the exact same people. Poor BBC.

Good point, r67, and one I made above: this isn't a gay dating show with gay male contestants, it's a bisexual dating show whose contestants are bisexual men a heterosexual woman.

Regardless, you still believe that gay men are attracted to people with vaginas if the vagina-bearing person "identifies" as a "man".

R71 I didn't say that at all. I do think that the boundaries of sexuality are perhaps not always as rigid as we perceive them to be. Perhaps those people who, as a defence mechanism, make a sexual orientation into their entire personality are barking up the wrong tree.

I had sex with a woman once, just to try it. It was fine. Does that mean I lose my gay card despite the very, very, very many men I've had since? If so, oh well, no regrets.

That's sad about Kavanagh, R70. I gathered that he was quite close, at least, to his brother and sister and dotes on his niece and nephew. I know his husband is Australian.

The LGB Alliance have that half-joking/half-resentful attitude towards bisexuals that was perhaps not uncommon for their generation of gay activists, back in the 1970s/1980s: bisexual people are tolerated and welcomed at events "when Neptune is in the Second House" or "every third Wednesday in April." (But then many people don't know what to do about bisexuals, hence the enduring popularity of "Pick a team, already").

R73 He was indeed very, very close to his brother.

I don't know that there is anything to 'do' about bisexuals, they just are. But I can see why they would be upsetting to people with a very low tolerance for ambiguity.

It's so lovely that some elderly homosexuals have decided to have an academic debate in a thread about a tv show.

What a diverse and inclusive place Datalounge is.

Some fresh meat has been added to the cast

[quote]Hugh is looking for a man who has a good sense of humour who can challenge him. And at six foot two, he’s hoping for someone shorter than him too. For the last couple of years, Hugh has been rocking his mullet and a moustache in his new home in East London.

No, just no. There is no need for a mullet, this is not 1987.

[quote]academic debate

It may seem that way to someone of limited intellectual capabilities. To anyone else, it's just a casual two-way chat.

Podcaster Jack Jewell is OUTRAGED:

I just bought thr Girl and Neon Nights box sets that recently came out and wondered why there weren't any box sets for Love and Kisses and Get Into You.

Dannii needs to get right on those once this season has finished. A Club Disco boxset would be nice too since the original double disc has now become a rarity and bootlegs are everywhere.

Neon Nights is a FANTASTIC album.

R80 The 7 disc boxset is amazing. My only complaints are them using shitty MS paint as the cover instead of the original artwork (which the Girl boxset thankfully did use) and not including the DVD with all of the videos (4 plus the 2 Dead or Alive and Madonna mashup videos and several ToTP performances) since a 2 or 3 disc format with the DVD was actually released at the same time.

I'm only five years older than him and my peers were intensely homophobic in middle and high school, r52. I also grew up in the PNW and not some tiny town in Wales. Cultural milestones are great but it can take a while for tolerance to trickle down to people living in small towns. I wouldn't be so quick to call him weak or a pussy.

Ruben, the best looking guy on the show, is now dating Lars, the trans man.

I'm so glad I'm into men my own age. None of them stir my elder gay loins.

[quote]I'm only five years older than him and my peers were intensely homophobic in middle and high school, [R52]. I also grew up in the PNW and not some tiny town in Wales. Cultural milestones are great but it can take a while for tolerance to trickle down to people living in small towns. I wouldn't be so quick to call him weak or a pussy.

Again, Swansea isn't a tiny town, it's a modern city with stuff like gay bars and cinemas and its own Pride events, which he hosted last week. And he grew up with a media that is positively gay affirming - Welsh rugby player Gareth Roberts is being pushed in the news again as a hero, despite admitting he knowingly infected his partner with HIV.

Yes people are bullied in schools for being gay, and kids are bullied for being fat, thin, short, tall, rich, poor, pale, dark, religious, non religious.

This whole "I felt like a burden" is just so exaggerated and dramatic, as if being gay is seen as kind of disability or neurological condition. The main success of the gay rights movement in the UK over the last 40 years has been to make being gay totally normal and ordinary.

I find it interesting that this guy said he was fat at school and looking at his social media his is regularly sharing photos of him at the gym. Many of the issues affecting young gay men - like body dysmorphia - are coming from within the gay scene.

[QUOTE]Welsh rugby player Gareth Roberts

Any relation to gay Welsh rugby player Gareth Thomas?

Oh yes that's the one R86, the guy who was getting gangbanged at sex clubs at the same time he was trying to get his wife pregnant, the guy who didn't know you could get HIV from bareback sex and then thought having HIV meant you died.

What a hero!

I have seen his nudes and he has a big cock. So that gets him off the hook to many gay men.

I don't know any gay men who like Roberts, they all think he is a nasty piece of work and a liar.

It's the media in general who keeps pushing him as a hero figure in "the LGBTQ+ community."

And the less said about the gay rugby referee Nigel Owens the better. The man so upset about being gay he wanted to be castrated! And then there's H from Steps who is a nasty piece of work.

Maybe the lad on IKAB struggled with his gay identity because so many high profile gay men from Wales are horrible people?

[QUOTE] don't know any gay men who like Roberts, they all think he is a nasty piece of work and a liar

Who the fuck is ROBERTS, dickhead?

His name is Gareth THOMAS, you illiterate moron..

From R76:

[quote]Aussie Justin has flown halfway across the world in the hope of finding his first boyfriend

He's 26 and conventionally attractive. If he's never had a boyfriend, he doesn't want one. Which is fine, but all this "Oh I'm just a babe in the woods" business is a bit silly.

[quote]Who the fuck is ROBERTS, dickhead? His name is Gareth THOMAS, you illiterate moron..

HIS NAME UPSETS ME OKAY?

And now your post has made me think of that lovely handsome THOMAS ROBERTS news presenter who was diddled by a kiddy fiddler.

^ Bless your heart!

There IS a Gareth Roberts: he is a (gay) TV screenwriter whose credits include "Doctor Who." He published a book last year titled "Gay Shame: The Rise of Gender Ideology and the New Homophobia," so that does relate to the topic of this thread.

Thanks R94 - there's also two Gareth Edwards, another rugby player and the guy who directed the new Jurassic World film with bumbanger Jonathan Bailey. And there was that spy Gareth Williams who was found in a suitcase in his bath.

EDWARDS THOMAS ROBERTS WILLIAMS.

Why aren't there any female surnames in Britain?

"Jane" is an old English surname.

What a coincidence - another 40 year old called Katie was in court yesterday charged with sending messages to a female and other crimes.

Must be something in the air.

R78- I didn't know Jeri Jewell from the Facts Of life had a brother.

The new Irish guy has the most disgusting mullet I've ever seen. Not even a blind lesbian would have a mullet like that. Not even a blind lesbian from Canada would have a mullet like that. Not even a blind lesbian from Canada who played ice hockey in the 80s would have a mullet like that.

IT IS A HATE CRIME OF A MULLET

I would fuck that toothy blond are R52

He's an Irish gay guy living in the UK, R98. He's "gender-critical."

A few weeks ago, he had on a feminine man who gets mistaken for a trans woman all the time and (by his own account) receives lots of attention from straight guys:

"I kissed a boy with a vagina"-------Fixed it.

There was also the former star of Blakes 7 actor Gareth Thomas.

I'd rather fuck any of the Gareths mentioned in this thread then the sexless men in this show.

The woman doesn't count, obviously.

Ruben is gorgeous. I don't care what you whores say.

Also I watched episode 4 and when did "passing (as straight) privilege" become a thing for gay men?

Decades ago, R105.

I have no problem with a trans guy/twink as long he's hot and passes really well.

And has a vagina?

[quote]And has a vagina?

"Well, nobody's perfect!"

The BBC can air a discussion about tops, bottoms and sides but can't use the words "fucking", "anal sex" or "sucking" or "oral sex" or "masturbating" or "wanking".

This has got quite boring now and the drama over the new arrivals was a damp squib.

It would be nice if they were all given a make over to get rid of the mullets and dodgy clothes.

I want to skip to the final episode to find out how much they hate each other after filming.