Trump Reopening Alcatraz Prison

And he's asked Burt Lancaster to be at the reopening.

Not demented at all

But I thought Clint Eastwood escaped from it?!!!

Why? And ... as if. 🤣

He will be the first inmate.

But... but... what about the cool tours?

It's one of the best national park tours you can take!!!

Alcatraz is the second or third most visited tourist attraction in San Francisco. This is either a fuck you to liberal San Francisco, or he doesn’t realize that it’s basically in ruins and not in any shape to accept prisoners

I’m sure he will demand that Ellis Island gets reopened next….and demand that the Golden Gare Bridge and Statue of Liberty are both painted gold, with the letters “T R U M P” be placed on top both in lights.

What a cockamamie idea, but it's par for the course

All of his felonies? He should be thrown in those waters around Alcatraz with water wings and a bucket of chum

Trump is not exactly the King of Follow Through.

This won’t be happening.

National Park Service owns and operates Alcatraz.

Bureau of Prisons does not have anything to do with it anymore.

BRILLIANT!

[QUOTE] What a cockamamie idea, but it's par for the course

😂 As soon as I heard it, I said to myself “That’s so Trump.”

This guy just says anything that comes out of his ass. It’s not a functional building. The American Indian Movement people found that out when they occupied it and that was decades ago.

Shitler is up all night, every night, tweeting and hatching his harebrained schemes; he appears to never sleep.

May his insomnia be terminal.

Is this a distraction from his dumb pope picture?

Let’s invite him to the ribbon cutting ceremony, then abandon him there.

Good. Hope he enjoys being there after his sentencing.

the cellhouse appears "useable" not crumbling.

That’s why it’s not as far fetched as some would think, R19. The question is how long will it take to get it ready,

[QUOTE]This is either a fuck you to liberal San Francisco

No. It's federally owned by National Parks as noted above. The only thing that would happen with a closure to refurbish is a loss of revenue to the Feds when tours cease. Another foot bullet/own goal. Cockamamie.

The next Dem president should imprison Trump and co. there

Imprison Trump and co. in the atrium at the former Trump Tower.

Can't he send felons to Greenland? I thought he was getting that. That whole idea just kind of disappeared

Perhaps it's going to be the USA's CECOT style prison? Will take years to get it ready for its convicts.

the way this admin functions they'll just turn the lights on and call it a day. Could be filled with "gang members from the asylums" next week.

Make no mistake, Trump is SERIOUSLY disturbed. We the people need to oust him before it's too late.

It would make a great clothing optional mens resort!

Is anyone else truly disturbed at how cruel he has become? It is one thing if he kept coming up with wacky ideas - “I call it FLUBBER!!!” …. But he is down right mean since he has been back - like he would have his staff round up puppies and drown them. …… That potentially the country’s senior citizens won’t be able to get a flu shot next year because they are dragging their dicks to put one together. Can you imagine how disastrously sick and dying people will be by winter?

As a condo development?

Nothing he’s done has been unexpected, R29. We were warned about his plans and many called it hyperbole.

I wish someone had a....solution for our Trump problem. I really do.

This is one of his dumbest ideas yet. He must think these this shit up when he’s sitting on the toilet.

i say good luck, trumpy old fellow. california would secede before this happens.

R7 "...Statue of Liberty are both painted gold, with the letters “T R U M P” be placed on top both in lights."

He'll definitely need to do something about that Emma Lazarus poem.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

R29 “Become”? He’s always been this way. Nothing has changed, people have just forgotten.

Nancy Pelosi on X:

"Alcatraz closed as a federal penitentiary more than sixty years ago. It is now a very popular national park and major tourist attraction. The President’s proposal is not a serious one."

Personally I think it’s morbid that so many tourists even want to see it but I guess the fact it’s the setting for a lot of books/movies is a factor.

R38 posted while clutching pearls…

[quote]Imprison Trump and co. in the atrium at the former Trump Tower

Or on that fucking escalator.

Once Trump is out of office, Tish James should just have him renditioned and sent to a death camp in Rwanda and we’ll all just go, “No time for due process!”

I'll be your tour guide. My name is John Johnson but everyone here calls me Vicky.

I thought it’s Indigenous land?

Whatever he needs to distract from the first time ever that he pretended not to be an expert on the subject when he replied, "I don't know" when asked if it was his duty to obey the constitution.

What's the reason?

According to the Federal Registry: Average annual costs of incarcerating an individual (SINGLE person)...

Based on FY 2021 data, the average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Bureau or non-Bureau facility in FY 2021 was $43,836 ($120.10 per day). The average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Residential Reentry Center for FY 2021 was $37,012 ($101.40 per day). (Please note: There were 365 days in FY 2021.)

Based on FY 2022 data, the average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Bureau or non-Bureau facility in FY 2022 was $42,672 ($116.91 per day). The average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Residential Reentry Center for FY 2022 was $39,197 ($107.39 per day). (Please note: There were 365 days in FY 2022.)

"The prison was closed in 1963 due to crumbling infrastructure and the high costs of repairing and supplying the island facility, because everything from fuel to food had to be brought by boat."

"The Bureau of Prisons currently has 16 penitentiaries performing the same high-security functions as Alcatraz, including its maximum security facility in Florence, Colorado, and the U.S. penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana, which is home to the federal death chamber."

R7 please let’s hope he does not find out. Oh god yes reopen Alcatraz as a federal prison.

I'm amusing myself imagining trump as the sole prisoner and the constant, foolish, inevitably thwarted rescue attempts by his cult that would ensue.

A lovely American gulag to send detainees.

Starvation center.

No he’s not. He’s just talking out his ass.

This will never happen. Just one day's worth of news. He'll do something crazy again tomorrow.

Posted this in a different thread, but THIS is the reason Dump has been especially idiotic. This is a distraction.

Imagine the media pearl clutching and senility speculation if Joe Biden had said this. It would've fueled the news cycle for weeks. But with Dump, it's just another day.

I don't think Trump is senile or demented. He actually has amazing energy for someone his age. Biden was another story. Trump has many horrible qualities but being demented isn't his problem.

R55 Oh my sides times infinity! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I already had R55 on block. I only block Trump-tards.

I have been there a couple of times and it is really a SF must to me. Apart from the reality of the buildings and their use , it is an interesting beautiful place with lots of flowers, landscaping and great views. Another stupid 2am Trump idea. Maybe he was watching an old movie or something. Hope he doesn't watch Hindenburg!

First Iceland, then the Panama canal and now this nonsense.

Anybody at this point who still supports this clown is beyond reasoning with.

He's not Hitler, he's too stupid. He is a Mussolini/Gaddafi wannabe.

The same fate awaits.

R55 No, he's just mentally ill.

Something good came from Orange Julius’ demented idea. He had me watching one of my favorite action movies last night: The Rock. I started reading about Alcatraz after the news hit and felt compelled to watch it again. Still holds up nearly 30 years later.

R29 - many people have noticed Trump not only lacks empathy, he is also flat out mean and nasty. People such as psychologist, psychiatrists, mental health experts, all the citizens on the USA with information literacy, all the people Trump has burned over the decades, meanly, spitefully, without remorse. Trump has malignant narcissism and now dementia and his meanness and destructive compulsions will increase. His republican congress condones this behaviour, as does half "his" Supreme Court.

R55 and yet you are wrong. Trump has observable signs of dementia - in speech production, in logic, in behaviours. Yes, he can be incredibly energetic and has always had a shark's or fox's quick sense for the jugular. He is, of course, a speed freak. Legal meth. ADHD medicines. If not also cocaine. The two can exist. HE can be falling into dementia and be energetic.

R55 must have missed it the other day when Trump was asked about Harvard and started talking about Harlem.

This kind of stuff has been going on for years.

Maybe Alcatraz can be that ballroom he's been dreaming of.

[quote] "The prison was closed in 1963 due to crumbling infrastructure and the high costs of repairing and supplying the island facility, because everything from fuel to food had to be brought by boat."

People were very short-sighted in the 1960s. A lot of historic buildings across the country were abandoned that could have been renovated and continued to be used, but government leaders wanted everything to be new and shiny with urban renewal. They used excuses like the ones mentioned above,

This won't happen. It's just more flooding the zone with shit to distract from the major problems he's caused.

R62 shocking. Do you think many others know? Maybe you should repeat that in another thread?

Will he reopen the Eastern State Penitentiary in Philly?

[quote] many people have noticed Trump not only lacks empathy, he is also flat out mean and nasty.

That is brand new information!

Trump to reopen Fort Ticonderoga so that our proud military has a place to store their muskets and gunpowder to fight the British with! This is what he sounds like. Cuckoo for cocoa puffs

[quote]First Iceland, then the Panama canal and now this nonsense.

GREENLAND, not Iceland.

Greenland has ice; Iceland is green.

[quote]He is, of course, a speed freak. Legal meth. ADHD medicines. If not also cocaine. The two can exist.

Don Jr. can keep him supplied with all the coke he needs when the Aderall just isn't quite enough.

Time to disinter Sean Connery and Michael Bay's career

Let's get this party started

Trump comes up with some bullshit and all his advisers just agreez

I hope he reopens all of those Revolutionary War airports.

[QUOTE] Trump comes up with some bullshit and all his advisers just agreez

If they say no, they’re at risk of being executed.

[quote]If they say no, they’re at risk of being executed.

They risk being deported to CECOT in El Salvador, at least until Alcatraz is ready.

It is like people have forgotten all about Trump wanting to turn Gaza into the Rivera of the Middle East. Or his claim that he could built a big beautiful wall and make Mexico pay for it he was a builder and it would be easy, or his claim that he would pay off the national debt or his claim that winning a trade war with China would be easy during his first term. Or that he could bring peace to Ukraine before even taking office.

Nothing new, R62; he has always been a sadist.

R79 and you say that like you are surprised or like anyone else would be

Trump is nuts/dementia addled AND this is probably to distract from the upcoming empty shelves/supply chain disruptions. Both things can be true.

ABC NEWS: William Marshall, the new director of the Bureau of Prisons, said Monday that the agency will “vigorously” pursue “all avenues to support and implement” President Trump’s agenda — including an assessment to determine “needs and the next steps,” including the president’s idea to reopen and expand the famed Alcatraz prison.

“USP Alcatraz has a rich history. We look forward to restoring this powerful symbol of law, order, and justice. We will be actively working with our law enforcement and other federal partners to reinstate this very important mission,” Marshall said.

Trump appointed Marshall to lead the Bureau of Prisons late last month.

They can’t even feed their own people, how are they going to feed these migrants? Btw, this is more crap coming from the WH to distract from the economic news.

[quote]Trump appointed Marshall to lead the Bureau of Prisons late last month.

Gotta love how all his pets just jump and bark on cue.

[quote] Gotta love how all his pets just jump and bark on cue.

Have you ever had a job before?

Trumpers: I hate shithole countries

Also Trumpers: We love Rwanda and El Salvador!

His pets are of the varieties that slither and hiss, R85.

R66 urban renewal. On a rock in the bay?! You’re nuts.

Scott Weiner responds to the reopening Alcatraz idea.

Trump is a terrible person and the worst president this country has ever seen, but I don't think it has anything to do with dementia. People like to throw that term around the same way they used to use "retard" to describe people they didn't like. A friend and colleague of mine kept swearing he had dementia from the beginning of his first term. If that's so, it certainly has been an unusually slow form. Both my father and grandmother suffered fron that terrible condition. Both of them had considerable progression in 8 years (actually they had both died within 8 years of diagnosis). Trump's first day in office was over 8 years ago. If you keep saying he has dementia, and he lives long enough, I guess you may be right. The unfortunate truth is that Joe Biden shows more objective evidence of dementia. That said, I would much prefer a Joe Biden with dementia in the White House than a Donald Trump without it.

R91 Hi both sides troll!

[QUOTE] Trump is a terrible person and the worst president this country has ever seen, but I don't think it has anything to do with dementia. People like to throw that term around the same way they used to use "retard" to describe people they didn't like.

These rightwingers did it with Joe Biden. Now they can get a taste of their own medicine.

R93 That is very true, but there are so many negative things about Trump that I don't think it's necessary to go with using dementia as a pejorative term.

This is not happening on so many levels. I'm kind of pissed it has gotten the media attention it has because it is a non-starter, and reporting on this bullshit idea just gives Trump the undeserved attention he craves.

I'm sure a few SF DL'ers can speak to the condition of the place. I went a few years ago, and it is just not going to happen.

Did Trump come up with this idea after watching Escape From Alcatraz on TV?

Things that make you go hmmmm

It’s in poor condition, R95, but does the Trump administration really care? There are articles that say millions must be spent to bring it up to “federal code,” but the law doesn’t apply to Trump. So they can get this done a lot sooner than people think if they don’t give a shit about the conditions of the facility.

Prisons are as much their buildings as their culture. The Alcatraz “culture” just doesn’t exist any longer. Penal theories, rehabilitation methods, behavior intervention strategies, programming, housing and disciplining offenders have changed in the last 60 years. Prisons of today are not like prisons of that era. To be sure buildings maybe the same, but the culture has shifted.

As far as the physical plant, it is not fit for prison service without significant hardening. The days of the old Folger lock and a massive ring of keys are long gone. The days of impeccably uniformed officers are also gone. The surveillance retrofitting would need to be substantial as would the physical plant for the safety and security of the offender population and staff.

Let’s also consider operating procedures, post orders and facility directives do not exist for an updated Alcatraz. What exists is for a prison and penal program that no longer exists. There are serious safety and security considerations here…

Lastly, this was a prison that housed around 300 individuals… Let that sink in… 300 offenders… ADX Florence houses about 350 on average and cost $60,000,000.00 to build in 1994… The cost to retrofit and bring a physical plant like Alcatraz up to any thing remotely useful would likely surpass 200 million. I’m aware of a large prison being constructed new for almost a billion dollars…

R97, check out the post at r79. This will never happen. It’s a distraction. The supermarket shelves are already starting to thin, it’s going to get very bumpy. Expect the shit posts like this Alcatraz post to start flying. Anything to distract from the shit storm about to hit us.

This will never happen.

Interesting post, r98. Thank you.

Trump is obsessed with Capone because he too is a criminal who keeps escaping punishment.

[quote] "The Bureau of Prisons currently has 16 penitentiaries performing the same high-security functions as Alcatraz, including its maximum security facility in Florence, Colorado, and the U.S. penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana, which is home to the federal death chamber."

The psychological component is important. We don’t have the kind of infamous prisons that the public would easily recognize as being where the worst criminals will be sent for terrible treatment. Sending a prisoner to Terre Haute doesn’t have the same ring to it as sending bad people to Alcatraz.

Bring it...

I'll bet John Anglin escaped to Momma's mussy.

So dumb.

r103 because the media never shows conditions at that prison. If they did Terre Haute would be infamous.

This will never happen. Trump says crazy stuff like this to distract from his terrible mismanagement of the economy.

[quote] because the media never shows conditions at that prison.

There has to be a balancing act. You want prisons to be harsh and for criminals to know they’re harsh, but you don’t want to call attention to it so much that courts get involved. That’s where you can depend on longstanding reputation, like Alcatraz, Attica, Sing Sing, and Angola used to have.

[quote] This will never happen. Trump says crazy stuff like this to distract from his terrible mismanagement of the economy.

The distraction is created by the media. They could treat the statement about Alcatraz as crazy and just give it a brief mention to say they did their job. Instead they make it a big story.

On another note, when I first visited SF, I was amazed how much of a presence Alcatraz has in SF. One sees it often. I found it disturbing to have to look at a prison so often and smack dab in the middle of such a beautiful place. I wondered why don't they tear it down and build a west coast Statue of Liberty of some sort. I grew up seeing the Statue and Lower Manhattan regularly, which made me imagine that harbors are always monumental places (the Colossus of Rhodes). I was wrong.

[quote] On another note, when I first visited SF, I was amazed how much of a presence Alcatraz has in SF.

It would be nice if there was a state prison facility there for thieves as a warning to them.

This thread is a reminder that the Dems need to make better prison conditions for federal prisoners a major emphasis for 2028.

Maybe different ideas that Harris ?

^^^Federal prisons are already seen as country clubs. Better prison conditions is not a priority for most Americans who are fed up with crime and the lack of consequences for criminals. What is it with so many democrats that they are so clueless about the tenor of the public and reality in general?

Next up: reopening Andersonville!

[quote]This thread is a reminder that the Dems need to make better prison conditions for federal prisoners a major emphasis for 2028.

While I agree that our prison system needs an overhaul, that's one of the last things I'd advise Democrats to focus on in upcoming campaigns.

To paraphrase R114, read the room.

R114 well maybe you are correct and improving prison conditions and offering elective surgery to prisoners is not something the Dems should push hard in 2028.

So then it’s won’t be a progressive dem ticket ?

R116 I was on DL and I did read the room. But I forget DL has absolutely nothing to do with the real world or winning elections. My bad and I stand corrected,

Are we also not getting strongly behind other long standing progressive stances and wants in 2028 ?

R114, that’s not reality. We keep building more prisons while crime has been decreasing since the 90s. There are certainly pockets where crime is still an issue, but that has more to do with poverty, which Americans do NOT want to address. We simply don’t care about doing the things that would lessen it.

[quote]It would be nice if there was a state prison facility there for thieves as a warning to them.

San Quentin is nearby and also sits on some prime real estate in Marin County.

😂 Like thieves and murderers are worried about what prison they get sent to. “Oh man, Trump reopened Alcatraz. Better sign up for a Pell Grant and start cracking the books.”

R121, if even one does, that’s a success.

"Better prison conditions is not a priority for most Americans who are fed up with crime and the lack of consequences for criminals."

If Americans are so fucking fed up with crime and the lack of consequences for criminals, why did they elect a convicted felon to POTUS who has yet to suffer any consequences for his misdeeds.

Me thinks this is just another in a long line of Republican memes and talking points.

[quote]This will never happen. Trump says crazy stuff like this to distract from his terrible mismanagement of the economy.

People always say this, but I don't think so anymore. It's just part of the chaos he loves to create. He doesn't distract people because he doesn't care what they think as far as consequences go; he knows he can do whatever he wants. He also knows he can say whatever he wants, so he does.

Oh, and he also doesn't care if he's mismanaging the economy or people think he is.

I'd love to give Dump 3 hots and a cot.

United States 2: Alcatraz Boogaloo

R107, Terre Haute isn’t that bad. I’ve seen worse.

"The power has driven him mad!"

No comparison to Florence or Marion

R130 Well, they both played mothers on '70s sitcoms.

R119, prisons systems are like the military, they are huge money pits. They are full of patronage jobs and no-bid contracts and plenty of other opportunities to steal.

R132 a DL expert who has never spent any time at all in prison or in the military.

R133, I’m not that poster, but I have worked in a major county jail. That poster is SPOT ON.

R133, have you done either?

R133 I bet working in television or movies or Broadway is nothing like that. No stealing, no turning into huge money pits, no hiring special friends just because they are special friends. I bet that never happens,

I bet that shit only happens in prisons and the military and I will repeat that poster never spent a day in either,

Thank you for your service :-)

Sorry R136 was meant for R134. This gets so confusing,

R135 yes I have. I have also seen massive money pits and waste of tax payers money and programs that were just not that important but cost a lot of money on the civilian side of the federal govt.

And hiring friends and cronies just because they re friends and cronies give me a fucking break that is done everywhere except maybe in the actual military,

If it happens, I am hoping that the refurbishing will be done by the end of his term and he can become the first inmate. Another type of inaugural.

[QUOTE] [R135] yes I have

Yes, you have what?

R96 I could have called this one in my sleep! LOL. He is so pathetic. This country is f-d!

A man with access to any TV or streaming network on the planet and he spent Sunday night watching that old ass movie on PBS?

It's a nice change from his bukake child porn

R139 exactly