Are Trump’s tariffs going to make manufacturing return to the US?

Another stupid, pointless post. Are you ever able to walk outside, OP?

No.

R1 yes. Why would they be mutually exclusive?

Who pissed in r1’s Cornflakes?

Only if robots work in them. Because the people in Red States (the only locations selected by Trump) are too lazy, drugfucked, or stupid to work in them en masse.

Nahhh. Bribing Trump will be a lot cheaper in the long run.

Americans are addicted to cheap, disposable made in China garbage so I don’t see it happening.

We don't have the infrastructure to support it. It will never happen. I agree we get the shit end of the stick, but the chainsaw approach is helping no one. A surgical and smart approach may have.......

It will cost the customer too much.

Annual factory worker wage in China is about $8600 US. In Mexico, a factory worker can make around $5 an hour, which is around $10,000 US a year. I doubt the workers in these countries get pensions and other benefits.

Now ask your question again, OP.

Nope.

Manufacturing was rebounding under Biden thanks to the CHIPS act. Now new factories that were commissioned are being canceled because of soaring materials costs from Triump’s tariffs.

Fuck no. Anybody who thinks so is delusional.

No. That is not the point of the tariffs. The tariffs are intended to reduce the American standards of living to Russian standards, shortages and long lines.

R5 is right about robots. Human workers in this country will drive up the cost of many goods, far more so than the MAGA folks will be willing to bear, despite their protestations to the contrary.

What so many people forget is that manufacturing started exiting the U.S. back in the late 70s long before the boogeyman NAFTA agreement happened.

No one is going to start building a factory, and invest all those millions, knowing that Trump could change his mind anytime.

Didn’t Trump’s treasury secretary admit that any new factories would be manned by robots?

If we manufactured anything, neither we, nor the rest of the world, could afford it

Trump and his cronies know that the tariffs will not lead to manufacturing to replace all imports. Definitely not during his last term, So you have to ask, why are they doing this? It’s to drive down the dollar and promote crypto and cash grabs through self-enriching deals.

"Americans are addicted to cheap, disposable made in China garbage."

Time to wean then off that shit.

And just like hard-core drug addicts, these "bargain hunters" are too stupid to get the big picture and see how this is driving down real wages and has been doing so for the last 40 years.

No, they will not.

Americans love slavery almost as much as we love cheap disposable shit.

Americans have backup to our backup. Fucking 600 pound hoarders. None of this is ok but we are gonna be ok.

R18 I imagine that much of the manufacturing will be done through AI. Robots will be manufacturing those parts and products.

I can't readily find predictions beyond 2033, but it is anticipated that the workforce will increase by only 3.5% by then. What I'm really curious about is what the labor force will look like beyond that, given current historicallly low birthrates. Elementary schools are emptying out in many parts of the US. Also, the large baby boomer cohort will be fully in their decrepitude by then (ages 69-87), and many will require hands-on care, which is currently mostly done by young and foreign-born workers and family members. Although the percentage of minority workers is (was) expected to increase, it would be expected that there would be some competition for these workers if manufacturing really does return to the US.

All manner of jobs are still done by people because they are faster, more reliable, and more accurate than robots - and probably less expensive than robots too. I'm at times surprised at how many things are still done manually, even in the US. One small example: Amy's Organic uses human labor to assist in filling those little freezer trays of food. Why hasn't Apple switched to robots for device assembly? They have some pilot programs going, but everything I can find on the topic reads more like hype than the future of how iphones will be made.

Given current health, nutrition and education trends, I wonder what condition that workforce will be in in 10-15 years.

But my maga neighbor thinks robot manufacturing in the US is a done deal already because his orange daddy said so.

It's not the future it's actually here already R25

Meet your new hire. He or she is part of a growing group of industrial robots. They may not have much personality, but they’re reliable, capable and willing to work 24/7. They’ll even work holidays...for no extra pay! And they compliment their human counterparts, freeing them for non-mechanical tasks.

Well one things for sure. An AI can’t sexually assault you so the femi Nazi crowd will surely love it.

If only AI could come up with a robot to replace mouthy, punk ass bitches like R27.

No one uses the term feminnazi except for that obese dead guy who abused prescription medications he stole from his Mexican domestic servants

R28 Why disrespect me? What’s going on here?

[Quote] Time to wean then off that shit.

Americans make shit too. Just because it’s made here doesn’t automatically mean sit a quality product

Manufacturing can return to the US but it’ll take a skilled, methodical approach over years to move things in that direction. This indiscriminate nuclear bomb Trump is using is just to rile up the fucking MAGA base. Too bad most of them are too fucking stupid to realize it’s all for show while he and his cronies make billions of money off of them.

Cletus and Lurlene ain't worki' in no factree fer minimum wage. They's makin' big bucks from SSI disability checks!

Mercedes-Benz plans to begin producing a new vehicle at its Tuscaloosa, Alabama, plant in 2027

OP raises an important question. What if somehow due to forces, factors, actions and outcomes unseen the economy does rebound significantly before Trump leaves office? If you believe in luck also he's been very lucky.

Just like Laverne and Shirley R33

If Trump wants global corporations to invest themselves more in US manufacturing, then he should be establishing a dynamic of trust and stability and a promising 10-20 investment … i.e, he should be doing the exact opposite of what he’s just done.

But he’s congenitally incapable of doing the exact opposite of what he is doing.

So, no. Companies won’t be wanting to move any more of their manufacturing to the US. Not under Trump.

SHANGHAI (Reuters) -China has created a list of U.S.-made products that would be exempted from its 125% tariffs and is quietly notifying companies about the policy, two people familiar with the matter said, as Beijing seeks to ease the impact of its trade war with Washington.

No, "certain" employee demographics don't like being told what to do,do not want to be required to meet a quota and insist that the workplace cater to their every whim.

[quote]But my maga neighbor ... (R25)

Addressing trade imbalances is fine, but it's the bull-in-a-china-shop, reckless way he's doing things that's the problem. An R president with a more rational approach would be more dangerous politically.

Simply put tariffs are only one part of a re shoring policy. Alone they will not work.

I don’t think he really gives a shit about that. The idea of returning manufacturing to the us is a nice one but companies will have to pay higher wages and building or renovate facilities where it can be done. It’s not going to be an overnight process.

Prisons will be refitted to accommodate factory equipment; the captive slave labor force comes with the facilities.

what about the USA? Is there a list that's exempt from these tariffs? What should we be stocking up on or buying now sooner than later?

toilet paper R45

Coffee, over the counter medication, pet food and ammunition

Doesn’t it seem like the Trump people are running the country as if it’s a cheap convenience store? Will be interesting when people en masse fail to obey.

Is it true the harbours are all empty?

I was watching the Movies! channel today, and Norma Rae was on. [If you've never seen it, you should.] Both my sisters as well as my mother once worked in sewing factories. I worked in a 40 degree (F) meat packing plant for two years, cutting sides of beef with a band saw and arriving home at the end of the day covered in blood. Both my grandfathers worked in steel mills.

That's "manufacturing," people. Unless you work in a clean room or some kind of food/medical manufacturing facility, factory work is dirty. Hard. Hot. Or cold. Or loud. Or meticulous or fine hand work, and you're losing more of your vision with every day you work.

Knowing what we all know, how many young people do you know who are going to do that kind of manufacturing work, even for $30/hr.?

Yes, there are people who do that kind of work now. I mean, I did back in the day, although the meat packing plant I worked in now puts out another type of food. But as we all know, many of those workers are immigrants, happy just to be able to put food on the table.

I just can't see Americans younger than I aspiring to that type of work. I certainly didn't, even in the early 80s. You have no idea how much my life changed when I got a job in an office and came home from work with clean clothes and energy to do something besides sit in front of the TV. Rarely have I been so grateful for anything that happened to me in my entire life.

So my answer is no. Perhaps robots will dominate manufacturing, but not yet.

It's just Donald Trump -- again and always making the wrong decisions.

Our economy was shaky but functioning and showing signs of improvement under Joe. But people voted for Trump because of grandiose promises to send us into the $tratosphere on Day1.

There's been no sign that we're going anywhere but down.

[quote]The U.S. trade deficit widened to a record high in March as businesses boosted imports of goods ahead of President Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs, which dragged gross domestic product into negative territory in the first quarter for the first time in three years.

[quote]"Businesses are clearly scrambling as they try to find a way through this time of unprecedented change, but the worst is undoubtedly yet to come because the import tariff collections did not start to roll in earnest until after the White House Liberation Day announcement on April 2," said Christopher Rupkey, chief economist at FWDBONDS. "There are still no trade deals announced in Trump 2.0."

A neighbor and I remarked yesterday how he's the anti-Midas: shite instead of gold, R50.

[quote]"Americans are addicted to cheap, disposable made in China garbage." Time to wean then off that shit. And just like hard-core drug addicts, these "bargain hunters" are too stupid to get the big picture and see how this is driving down real wages and has been doing so for the last 40 years.

R20, people aren't bargain hunters because they wish to be, it's because they have to be, and it's getting worse. Maybe you're too wealthy to realize that.

Ford is already raising prices on Mexico produced cars

[quote]No, "certain" employee demographics don't like being told what to do,do not want to be required to meet a quota and insist that the workplace cater to their every whim.

Why beat around the fucking bush, R39. Just come out and say what you really wanted to say.

Next up: Debtor's prisons and workhouses

"people aren't bargain hunters because they wish to be, it's because they have to be, and it's getting worse. Maybe you're too wealthy to realize that."

Maybe you're just too stupid to realize that endlessly chasing the lowest price possible drives down real wages in the long run. Did you ever stop to think that's the reason real wages have been stagnant lately?

Ignore it if you will in your quest for the ultimate "bargain," but in the end you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

Who wants to be in first place in a race to the bottom?

People may be "bargain hunters" on big ticket items, but they still waste untold amounts of money on things like tattoos, cigarettes, recreational drugs, liquor, Starbucks, fast food, lottery tickets, shopping at convenience stores, etc.

Most people have never learned how to separate the "must haves" and the "nice to haves."

Prices on the Mustang Mach-E electric SUV, Maverick pickup and Bronco Sport will increase by as much as $2,000 on some models, according to a notice sent to dealers reviewed by Reuters.

r59, you forgot phones and all the other gadgets.

OP, he's the Liar in Chief. You MUST know that by now.

Trump is over his head brought about by his stupidity.

I'm waiting for the front door of The White House to slam him in his ass on the way out.

We will only be able to buy and with each other. No other country will buy our stuff.

It seems like everyone has caught on that Trump has no plan. There will not be new jobs or lower prices. Even if he backtracked tomorrow the die is cast for hard times all of his own making.

The North American Free Trade Agreement was sold as a way of increasing trade between the Americas. I never believed it for a moment and was against it. NAFTA was a way of getting rid of better-paying jobs in the U.S. A worker in a U.S. car factory might be paid $26 an hour. A worker in Mexico might be paid $18 a day (I am pulling these figures out of the air). So where did the extra money go? To the same place it always does, into the pockets of the 1%.

In the 1970s, there were ads for union-made clothing. People in the ads were singing a song that went "look for the union label..." Try finding any American-made clothing now. We are supposed to be getting new factories being built in this country. I'm not holding my breath for this to happen. And I'm tired of being jerked around!

So now that there's "progress," or "an agreement" (depending on whom you ask) with China, will this help Trump rebound from all of the bad press on his tariffs?

I’m sure Dump will try and spin it as a win, but in reality he wasted everyone’s time and hurt the economy. He’s backpedaling from everything he said.