Emma Watson, Eddie Redmayne, Paapa Essiedu sign open letter in denouncing April 17 Supreme Court Ruling

The letter

Why denounce the Supreme Court for simply clarifying what the law says? Campaign and find the votes to change the legislation to make it inclusive of trans people. And if you can't find those votes because the majority of the population is against you, then tough luck.

As for wanting the courts to save them – the older I get, the less fond I am of legislating from the bench, even when the verdicts go our way. Both Roe and Obergefell were a mistake, and they led us to where we are now. Every judicial "win" like that seems to come with a terrible price decades down the line.

The interesting thing is how few “names” are signatories. There are a few earnest activist types like Nicole Coughlan and Ken Loach. The expected NB/queer Zillenials. A few B-List men like Joe Alwyn and James D’Arcy. Then, uh, Neve Campbell.

The actors are primarily of the ilk who have 3 episodes of Hollyoaks/2 episodes of Doctor Who/1 episode the Sister Boniface Mysteries to their credit.

They are forced to sign under threat of being cancelled if they refuse to comply.

Why do continually drag intersex people into this? For one that community prefers to refer to their conditions as a DSD differences in sex development. Their conditions are sex specific and they are not in between or non binary:

UK Supreme Court got it right.

Fuck my legacy!

Fuck my stinkditch!

Are these idiots demanding that the Supreme Court reverses its ruling and declare that the term "woman" as used in the Equality Act be considered to mean not just females but also males who "identify as" women? I doubt such a law exists anywhere in the world.

Why in the world is this such a big deal? A chick with a dick ain’t a chick. Watching people argue about this in circles really is bizarre, even for 2025.

Rowling’s pro-women views OP. She doesn’t have anti-trans views and despite this wearying accusation being made time and time again you will find no evidence to support your position. Not sure what the people sending the letter are actually on about. The law has been clarified by the Supreme Court not made by the SC.

"Non-binary" is made up bullshit.

*YAWN*

Emma Twatson

A twat is something no transwoman will ever have, r14.

Protect the Dolls!

‘Protect the Dolls’ T-shirt becomes a fashion symbol for trans rights

Celebrities including Pedro Pascal are wearing the design as they embrace its message in support of trans women

When the designer Conner Ives took his bow after his London fashion week show this February, he wore a T-shirt that proclaimed “Protect the Dolls”. Two months later, the design – and its message supporting trans women, who are affectionately called “dolls” in the LGBTQ+ community – has become ever more popular.

The singer Troye Sivan wore it to perform at Coachella, and the actor Pedro Pascal wore it for the London premiere of the film Thunderbolts, just days after the supreme court ruled that when the Equality Act referred to women, it only meant biological sex and did not include transgender women.

Ives initially saw the T-shirt as a one-off statement, but demand changed that. On sale on his website for £75, about 5,000 orders have been placed in the last month. With proceeds going to the American organisation Trans Lifeline, as of Thursday evening Ives estimated it had raised about £380,000, with “that figure going up by the hour”.

The designer, an American based in London, says the T-shirt was a response to anti-trans policies put in place by Donald Trump, and in support of trans friends including the model Hunter Pifer. Even he has been surprised by how popular it is. “I never had that intention when I was doing it,” he says. “I was just like ‘this is what I want to say. This is what feels right’ and it turned into something else.”

If you hashtag “protect the dolls” on X you get some interesting results

R16, trans rights activists have no argument beyond a simplistic t-shirt slogan. They could never explain in coherent terms just why biological males should legally be considered women, why lesbians have to make themselves sexually available to men or why male rapists should be housed in women's prisons. That's why they try to shut down any debate, because deep down they know they're incapable of debating.

By all means, protect those dolls, Pedro, but please leave actual women out of it. Cheers.

Yawn. These misogynists are exhausting.

Many of the trans themselves actually dislike the apparently affectionate term "dolls":

What I find most interesting about this isn't the celebrities signing a letter that clearly gets the law wrong, but who is considered worthy of getting their name put at the top of the list and who isn't.

Emmas Watson, D'arcy and Corrin (all very posh girls) didn't sign it when first released but their names get pushed to the top but less famous actors like Callum Scott Howells and Ambika Mod are placed lower. Actual trans actors like Annie Wallace and Rebecca Root are clearly 4th tier actors.

Yeah, it's hilarious how they arranged the signatories so that the "famous" ones are at the top and the unknowns underneath, regardless of alphabetical order or date of signing.

It just goes to show that this is a media campaign to cast aspersions of "transphobia" at the Supreme Court and also try to get some bad publicity for JK Rowling (although, this kind of thing only ever puts her in a better light). It's not a sincere attempt to put forward arguments as to why the Supreme Court ruling should be reversed or why the Equality Act should include biological men in the category of women.

The only argument they put forward in that letter is:

[quote]The Supreme Court’s ruling that, under the Equality Act, ‘woman’ is defined by biological sex, states that “the concept of sex is binary, a person is either a woman or a man”. We believe the ruling undermines the lived reality and threatens the safety of trans, non-binary, and intersex people living in the UK.

Aside from the fact that they deliberately overlook the assertion that sex is binary (because they know they can't argue against it) they also never bother to explain what "the lived reality" of trans people is. Is a transwoman really living the life of a biological woman, or a transman the life of a biological man? I doubt it very much. Let me know when a transwoman's "reality" includes having a period or a transman's lived reality includes having a penis. Nor do they explain why the ruling puts trans people's safety at risk, while also sidestepping the opportunity to argue against the "other side's" argument that including biological men in the category of women puts women at risk - because they know they can't argue against that. They also follow the usual trans activist tactic of mishmashing different groups (trans, non-binary, and intersex). Do non-binary people or males with a disorders of sex development want to be legally included in the category of women? How is their "lived reality" impacted by this ruling?

The trans rights activists have never bothered with putting forward clear and reasonable legal demands, building organisations to promote these demands, working hard to establish a workable legal framework, to lobby politicians, etc. All they know is smearing, shaming, pressuring, tantrums, piggybacking on the organisations other groups (especially gays) have worked hard to build up.

I agree R23.

The Supreme Court has ruled what the laws says, not what the law should be or what politicians who voted for it really intended for it to mean. What comes next is arguing how the law should be changed, and Stonewall's insistence on No Debate mean it's back to the drawing board as far as efforts to change the law goes. That means going into TV studios and sitting down with people who disagree with them and not talking about ideology but how the law will work.

But as Nicola Sturgeon found out, if you genuinely believe trans women are women and no safeguards are needed to protect women from men abusing the system, then have the balls to say trans women are women even if they're convicted rapists. Sturgeon refusing to use pronouns and simply calling Adam Graham/Isla Bryson a rapist was completely humiliating for her. Calling people racist or far right because they're laughing at you won't cut it any more.

I'd like to think trans people/politicians who support self ID will group and organise and coordinate a response and plan a legal change, but there is a such a sense of entitlement there will just more more videos of people crying in their cars.

[quote]Sturgeon refusing to use pronouns and simply calling Adam Graham/Isla Bryson a rapist was completely humiliating for her.

It also means it's implicitly understood that "trans women are women UNLESS" (that is, unless they misbehave/break the law/abuse their rights, etc.). That makes the whole system untenable, because if Adam Bryson or Barbie Kardashian are treated differently from female prisoners on account of their actions, the public understands that being perceived as a woman is a privilege that is conditional and can be removed at any time.

Beyond that, there are few things politicians hate more than losing credibility and being humiliated, and they have certainly taken note of what happened to Nicola Sturgeon.

[quote]If you hashtag “protect the dolls” on X you get some interesting results.

That's one way of putting it.

I also think it's interesting that there's no popular T-shirt about "protecting" trans men.

There's also been a musician version of the letter

This one groups the A listers in alphabetical order first and then everyone else in random order.

If we are talking about genuine trans people the numbers are vanishingly small - why re-arrange the world? If we are talking about straight men deciding they are women the numbers there are far larger and men generally get what they want. Isn’t that true Martine Rothblatt? Still holding onto your cock doll?

English people are so completely fucking insane about this.

It’s important to take a stand , don’t give in , be loud, be strong , think of stonewall, the trans community needs your public support.

R2 this is a UK issue not the USA. You know that right?

Yes and my point still stands.

R31 please ignore that idiot R32.

[quote] If we are talking about straight men deciding they are women the numbers there are far larger

Link please

Has the MtF trans are mostly all straight guys troll returned?

[quote]English people are so completely fucking insane about this.

The Supreme Court ruling was about the meaning of "sex" - does "sex" mean biological sex or does it mean legal sex. Had the ruling meant that "sex" meant legal sex then it would have weakened gay rights protections. A couple of two men or two women would be comparable in law with a heterosexual couple where one of them has changed their legal sex.

The Supreme Court ruling also confirmed that females who are legally trans men are entitled to maternity and pregnancy protection, which no one seems to want to talk about.

And as many public services have been pressured by Stonewall into accepting self ID, including prisons, it would have meant MORE male rapists in women's prisons and MORE heterosexual men in dresses demanding access to women's changing rooms, more women committing sex offences. Look at the BBC article below from 5 years ago - nowhere does it say that "Julie" is a man, either biologically or legally.

Now do you really think this man is a "trans woman" and member of the LGBTQ+ community or do you think he is a predatory sex offender trying to game the criminal justice system? Spoiler - a year after this story he was convicted of abusing a little girl over many years.

Pedro doesn’t even have the balls to come out of the closet.

He can have his sisters balls. She doesn’t need them anymore.

I bet you "she" still has them, r38.

Welcome to Trumpwarts

Everyone thinks transwomen are men, r40, not just Trump. Even the signatories of this stupid letter. They don't think transwomen are actual women, they just want to "be kind".

Rowling was always a lefty Labour supporter, by the way. Trying to make this a Trump issue isn't going to work. Males are not women, not in any legislation anywhere, aside perhaps from Australia, where lesbians are banned from certain regions from holding same-sex events just for women and must accept males who "identify" as "lesbians" to attend too.

Who gives a fuck what any of them think about anything.

R36's totally sane answer means that English people totally aren't losing their fucking minds over this shit.

[quote]The older I get, the less fond I am of legislating from the bench, even when the verdicts go our way. Both Roe and Obergefell were a mistake, and they led us to where we are now.

So, what's the alternative? Popular votes on everything? I'm not sure where that's going to get us, though agreed, we'd probably be far better off than with the CURRENT Supreme Court.

R44 you will never outlive a right dominated or right leaning SC. None of us on DL will live long enough to see a left leaning court. That’s what losing looks like.

R44, not American so I might not understand your system entirely, but how about passing an abortion law at federal level? The Democrats have controlled the White House, Senate and House of Representatives on several ocassions since Roe vs Wade was passed, but they did nothing to legislate for abortion. Why is this?

The control they had was razor-thin and the pivotal vote was Joe Manchin who didn't support abortion. That's why.

R40 Everyone thinks you're an obcessed bigot who can't find a man . Buy a vibrator hon.

R41 natural cunt

R44 CURRENT caps KWEEN🤣

A reminder that it's okay to change your mind.

It's ok to say you thought trans women should be allowed into women's toilets until all these weird men with fetishes started showing up and clearly get a thrill from intimidating women. It's ok to say you think Laverne Cox should be allowed to use the women's toilets but Jamie Lee Curtis's porn sick creepy son.

It's ok to say that you thought it was ok for a tiny number of kids to go through a medical treatment because they were trapped in the wrong body, but the more you hear about it the more you think maybe it's no so good, especially with the majority now being girls who want double mastectomies.

It's ok to say that you agree with JK Rowling on some points (e.g. male rapists should not be allowed in women's prisons) even if you don't agree with her on other things.

[quote]these weird men with fetishes started showing up

they did? Who? When? Where? How many?

[quote] Jamie Lee Curtis's porn sick creepy son.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[quote]especially with the majority now being girls who want double mastectomies.

What difference does it make to you? How many people are we talking about here? Maybe 10-15 underage people in a decade? This is a reason to start a hate campaign? No. It has no basis in reality. You assholes just hate trans people for reasons passing understanding. I would at least respect your shittiness more if you didn't try to cloak in this "protecting girls" nonsense.

[quote] male rapists should not be allowed in women's prisons

How many times has that actually happened? Zero?

Fuck all of you trans hating assholes.

R52 gaslighter and DARVO.

A reminder dear . It's not ok to think men would struggle psycologically for decades, undergo painful and arduous medical procedures ,alienate family and friends, risk their livelyhood all to see you take a dump. You're "weird"& "creepy" R51

[quote]A reminder dear . It's not ok to think men would struggle psycologically for decades, undergo painful and arduous medical procedures ,alienate family and friends, risk their livelyhood all to see you take a dump. You're "weird"& "creepy" [R51]

The new "trans women" aren't people who have struggled psychologically for decades or undergone medical procedures. These "women" are keeping their cocks and if you don't want them in women's spaces you can SUCK THEIR DICK

R55 "The new "trans women" aren't people "

Bravo Grossmutter.

The more I use caps the less BIGOTED & DERANGED I appear.😂

R55 or a demented git ya sure get around...

R58, you're posting a video of a violent man. This is why women want female only spaces, away from men who wear trousers, men who wear dresses and men who wear nappies, like "Abbi".

R59 your posts are why DLers want sane spaces . Away from your continuous obcessed trans threads,your CAPS. Away from vile demented hateful fraus like you and your neglected,abandoned,barren "natural" vages your men spurn. Makes ya nasty. Like Joanne.

[quote]male rapists should not be allowed in women's prisons

[quote]How many times has that actually happened? Zero?

Scotland to move convicted rapist trans woman out of female prison

January 26, 20238:42 AM PSTUpdated 2 years ago

LONDON, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Scotland will move a transgender woman convicted of rape out of an all-female prison after concerns were raised over the safety of other inmates, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said on Thursday. Isla Bryson was convicted this week of raping two women in 2016 and 2019 when she was a man called Adam Graham, and she has been held initially at Cornton Vale women's prison in central Scotland, local media reported.

[quote]It's ok to say you think Laverne Cox should be allowed to use the women's toilets but not Jamie Lee Curtis.

FIFY.

If transwomen are to be permitted to use the women's toilets, then why not allow all men to use the women's toilets? Why does identifying as a woman make the trans any less of a threat to actual women? It's like saying gay men aren't a threat to women so they should be permitted to use women's facilities. In fact, gay men are probably less of a threat to women than many transwomen, a lot of whom are heterosexual males

Or if only 5% (figure plucked out of the air for the sake of argument) of men sexually abuse or are violent towards women so why should that prevent the 95% of non-violent men from sharing facilities with women? It's not as though trans-identified males have some significantly lower rate of attacking women than non-trans males.

Why not just get rid of same-sex facilities altogether?

[quote] How many times has that actually happened? Zero?

The transwoman in Sydney who attacked a bunch of people in a convenience store with an axe after being rejected in a dating app was put into a women’s prison. She complained that the female prisoners were transphobic bullies.

R51 is a fucking Nazi :-)

R65 is really rather stupid.

The only reason all sex toilets won’t work is that men would be pissing all over the toilet seats. Do trans sit or stand? If I knew that I would know how to vote.

I have been in adult co ed shower and loo situations while at coaching camps. It really was not a big deal. The showers did have private stalls.

[quote]The only reason all sex toilets won’t work is that men would be pissing all over the toilet seats. Do trans sit or stand? If I knew that I would know how to vote.

You mean the reason women hate unisex/gender neutral toilets is that they have to wipe piss off the toilet seats if they want to use them.

Anyway, we will see how this plays out in Scotland because the Scottish Parliament has "banned" males from using the women's toilets, i.e. they are enforcing single sex spaces and ensuring there are additional facilities for others. Lovely wee Ellie Gomersall can use the third space along with Beth "Baseball Bat" Douglas, Dr Beth Upton., Heather "Emergency Dilation" Herbert and Sophie "Nipple clamps" Molly. When when lovely Isla Bryson is released from prison she can use the third space when she has tea with Maggie Chapman.

R68 life lessons

women need to understand if it’s a unisex toilet sanitize or squat. It’s just not safe to sit unless you have disinfectant. Men are pigs. And ladies never ever wash your face in a sink in a hotel room that has the loo in the hall outside the room.

I will be back with tomorrow with more life lessons

r 69 - don’t rush.

[quote] The transwoman in Sydney who attacked a bunch of people in a convenience store with an axe after being rejected in a dating app was put into a women’s prison. She complained that the female prisoners were transphobic bullies.

R64 is referring to one incident in 2017 (that is, eight fucking years ago) where a trans person did something shitty and had to go to jail.

Of course, this person wasn't a rapist, but who the fuck cares, right? You all don't give a shit about truth or justice or anything. you claim to. You're just vicious bigots who want to use outlier incidents to justify the wholesale persecution of a whole class of people.

Are all gay men responsible for Andrew Cunanan?

Fuck off.

[quote][R64] is referring to one incident in 2017 (that is, eight fucking years ago) where a trans person did something shitty and had to go to jail.

Oh, MA'AM, it's a weekly occurrence, not a singular and unprecedented event from eight years ago.

Here's another case for you, r71. Plenty of them have come to light, even though this information is generally hard to come by. We only know of this one because the woman who was assaulted by the convicted male sex offender she was forced to share a cell with, who sexually assaulted her too, is suing the authorities that put her in that vulnerable position.

Why not scrap separate male and female prisons and just have mixed-sex ones if there's no problem housing women with males?

[quote]A former inmate at a Washington state women’s prison was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her transgender cellmate — who was transferred to the prison after changing her gender identity, according to a shocking new lawsuit.

[quote]Mozzy Clark sued the state department of corrections in federal court last week for locking her in a cell with a 6-foot-4 convicted child molester who allegedly subjected her to months of stalking, threats of violence and sexual harassment and assault, according to the lawsuit.

[quote]The cellmate, Christopher Scott Williams, was convicted of sexually assaulting a young girl as a male, and was serving a separate sentence for domestic abuse.

You could spend an hour detailing all the crimes created by "trans women" (most of whom are not men with gender dysphoria but men with a fetish) and they would say "that's just a small number - where is the evidence".

Re: the list at R27, what is with this recent tendency to alphabetize lists of names by the first name? Infuriating.

R16 he has a trans son, daughter, I forgot which. The serious celeb's must-have accessory of the early 2020s.

[quote][R16] he has a trans son, daughter

Pedro Pascal's gay brother Lucas is now a trans woman called Lux.

Fuck my legacy!

"Legacy" like my top selling videogame?

R78 really needs to get out a little. Even if you mistakenly believe that Rowling has harmed her reputation in English-speaking countries (she's actually enhanced her reputation by speaking out against the trans lunacy), just visit any other country and you'll see her books are wildly popular. She's going to become even more popular with this new TV series.

The ones who have eternally made fools of themselves and damaged their legacies for good are the "celebrities" who attack her for her position on trans issues, especially when they're incapable themselves of giving a clear explanation of just why they believe the strange things they do and insist on forcing their views onto the rest of ours.

R80 she was more or less quoted as saying it, whether it’s true or not that remains to be seen. She’s dying on this hill.

Pretty much everyone agrees with Rowling and disagrees with the signatories of this letter, r81. Rowling is fine.

[quote] In recent years, we have come together in response to the Me Too and Black Lives Matter movements, to reflect upon our working practices and uplift a broad spectrum of voices in our society

Ironic that they're invoking Me Too to force women to share locker rooms with men.

I'm still waiting for anyone to be able to provide me with anything 'transphobic' she's said.

R84, SOME people think Rowling has been transphobic in stating that trans women are not equal to biological women. I am certainly not one of those people.

I was reading through old newspapers last week. On the front page of one from 1999 was an article about a 46-year-old transvestite who'd been jailed for attempting to rape a 74-year-old woman. I don't think anyone in 1999 would have believed that one day, a crime like that would be recorded (and reported by the mainstream media) as a female-on-female sexual assault. And the victim would be forced to use female pronouns to describe her attacker in court.

Why do I think “India” Willoughby is posting in this thread?

Botox Chucky is such an appropriate name for India Willoughby.