Trump's Approval Sinks into the 30s

And yet Republican members of Congress will not move a muscle.

Why should he care? It's the Congressional Republicans that need to worry; he couldn't care less. And, as long as the Congressional Republicans continue to lick his butt, he'll get what he wants. A If they lose midterms, he will have done what he wanted to do, so fuck them.

Good. Hitler he ain’t.

This is horrible on so many levels, and the damage to our government is major already — but he’s actually holding a weakening hand. Both domestically and geopolitically.

A SMALL and weakening hand

I wish this would happen in September 2028.

[quote] Hitler he ain’t.

During the campaign last year I expected that if he won, the one silver lining was that his Hitleresque ambitions would fail to find Nazi-level popularity because the Nazis had two things he wouldn't: a genuinely booming economy (whereas all of T-Rump's policies tended towards economic disaster) and saber-rattling imperialism (whereas T-Rump ran on "peace," i.e. ceding clout to Russia; his subsequent claims over Greenland and Canada aren't exactly raising his numbers).

Curious how they can make the white house office look tacky and cheap.

But look at those Repubican numbers 70-75% approval on all of this shit.

They really are a cancer on America.

We still have 3 years, 8 months of his nonsense.

R8 so true - but 26% among Independents is encouraging.

Trump was at a 39% approval rating at the100 day mark during his 1st term too. And back then, he hadn't yet completely tanked the economy, so this is actually quite disheartening.

This isn't unexpected and exactly why I believe the election results were tampered with. He won all the battleground states. I'm not buying it.

R11, he hasn't really tanked the economy yet this time, either. So far it's more the threat of tariffs rather than the result that's causing volatility in the markets. Prices have barely started going up due to his policies: tariffs, deportations of the workforce in agriculture and construction, massive cuts to funding in medicaid and other public programs, etc. Trump's depressed approvals are mostly coming from anticipation so far; if he keeps on with these policies we'll some really low numbers.

His first term he was 45% at the lowest.

39% is pretty damn low.

The term "failed coup" exists for a reason.

Given the fact that his hands are more or less always bruised now, we can take it he is on high dose blood thinners. Which we can translate into "Tik tok motherfucker..."

And yet, if another election were to be held tomorrow, 80 million stupid Americans would still vote for this jack ass because even though Trump is a moron, that's still better than that "colored girl."

R14 That's not true. 39% at his first 100-day mark, as I said.

When these tariffs really kick in and farmers start going under somebody is going to...do something.

To the skank bitch @R16: I'll have you know I'm 6 feet 3 inches tall and weigh 224 pounds, most of which is pure muscle.

Don't believe me? Just ask my personal physician, Dr. Vinnie Boombatz

I remember reading that when he was booked in NY, the police dept clocked him in at just over 5’10” (without lifts) and 284 pounds.

Morbid

Trump & his doctor tried to claim that Trump is 2 inches taller than the 6'2 Justin Trudeau. That was false, of course.

He is a fat fuck orange pig!!!!

R22 BMI 37.5, he needs invasive gastric surgery this instant!

Nobody knows more about sinking approval ratings than me. Brain the size of a planet, me.

Higher prices are one thing, but small hikes can be harder for people to notice. When actual shortages and price gouging hit the stores in May and June, we’ll see how his MAGA troops respond. The Dollar Store isn’t going to be pretty.

The Dollar Store is currently pretty?

Then we are doing great except for the fact that Trump has 3+ years in charge and if he goes early it might get even JD worse. And the gop still holds the house, the senate,

And the Supreme Court.

We have the polls

There is further to fall. When Bush-Cheney left office in mid January 2009, the economy was in collapse mode. I remember the details because I was working in major gifts fundraising in NYC, and our biggest prospects and past donors of course were the financial titans. Those with personal net worth north of $100M. When things began to melt down in September 2008, and then worsen and worsen, many of themclosed themselves up to us instantly like the snaps of Chinese fans. Some told us bluntly; others just ghosted us (before “ghosting” was a term).

Bush’s approval rating was already at current Trump levels (40% ish) after he botched the response to Hurricane Katrina in September-October 2005.

By the time Bush finally left office in January 2009, his approval rating was down to just 27%. His reputation and that of the GOP were so poor that we took a bold leap for change. We elected a relatively unknown, Black/biracial young president named Barack Obama AND we gave him House and Senate Democratic majorities.

All of which is to say, the full story of Trump and his aftermath and the coming electoral pendulum swing is far from over. Stay with it — and stay involved in it.

And if things really turn 1934 kind of bad don’t automatically assume the dems will then win. During really tough scary terrifying times people often go farther right.

1917 in Russia would suggest they sometimes also go farther left. I believe farther right is more common through out history.

It’s not impossible we will look back on the Trump early years at least as still a part of the good old days. Just think how good and sane the Bushes look now.

Fair point R30. The pattern in US politics is profoundly and deeply entrenched, though, going back multiple generations. One party fucks up —> the pendulum swings. And this is a colossal fuckup with absolute clarity on who (Trump) is doing the fucking up.

Hilariously his attention whoring about running in 2028 is hamstringing any other Republican from running against their orange god

The illegal deportation to El Salvador hurt Trump even among conservatives.

Another poll showing T-Rump's approval under 40% has just been released by the WaPo.

No link in R34 because DL wouldn't let me post with the link!

Low Trump approval ratings in 2026 will help Dems win back Congress. Of course, Dems are amazing at losing so who knows how that will work out. Off to a great start though if Dems start primarying incumbents to make the party more progressive and youthful.

At least some of the Repubs claiming approval must be lying. Their pride/ego stands in the way of acknowledging that their vote might have been a mistake,

WaPo: Trump’s approval rating (of 39%) is lower than for any past president at the 100-day mark in their first or second terms. At a similar point in their first terms as president, 42 percent approved of Trump and 52 percent approved of President Joe Biden. Most presidents enjoy a honeymoon during their first months in office, only to see their ratings decline later in the first year. Trump may be an exception.

Disapproval and thinking your vote was a mistake are two different things. Maybe over Harris they liked Trump but are unhappy with his current performance. That’s good enough for me.

R29, I think there are indeed parallels to W's second term. W also came in claiming a mandate (with a bare majority of the vote), started on the big Republican goals of privatizing Social Security, and never recovered from the stumble; once they screwed up Katrina he was a lame duck. The MAGAs came in with a bare plurality claiming absolute power, and are being even more extreme in their goals. The MAGAs, of course, are outright dictators who don't have the scruples of the Bushies (but they're also incompetent and openly contemptuous of American norms and authority).

R31 yes I agree that is what has happened in the past. But we have yet to see the dem civil war start the battle between moderates and progressives.

And we have yet to see the Trump admin try to gut the Democratic Party nor start to find easy solutions to making sure their voting base votes less.

I am not so sure that history is a good guide during the time of Trump.

That goes without saying R37. You will never get the 80 million American idiots who voted for Trump in 2024 to admit they were wrong. They're that pig headed. That colored girl was not a serious contender to them.

Don't bet on Dems re-taking Congress. 95% of House seats are gerrymandered. Even if Trump is unpopular, people will still vote for their Republican Senate and House members, out of loyalty to the GOP, or continuing Oppositional Defiance Disorder against Dems.

Just wait until the younger Dems start trying to get rid of the older establishment Dems the younger Dems see as the problem.

Just wait until the maga billionaires really get serious about destroying the Democratic Party and use their billions to get rid of or neuter any dem that worries them.

Some of you sound like you actually want the worst case scenario to happen. Likely, what comes will be nothing like we expect and yet in line with what we have seen historically.

It might be maddening, but it’s really ok not to know what is coming next.

The craziest part is people think Kamala’s rating would have been any better.

I’d like to see him sink into about 30 feet of water.

R45 “ likely” :-)

I bet you also thought it likely Trump would go to jail, Biden would win, then Harris would win? At least 2 out of 3?

Assuming that history always repeats itself is nuts. My proof? We have Donald Trump the pussie grabber as President not just once but twice and who knows if he will go for 3.

And potential arrests and courts and possibly prison is now a part of American political life. We are making history not repeating it.

R43 Democrats lost their core base because they listen to their donors more than the people.

Cause Dem politicians don’t align with Democratic views.

R43 Yet even in the Dump “sweep” of 2024, Dems picked up house seats.

Well yeah R42, especially since it was 77.3M.

Of course, Democrats are to blame for Dump and the fascist GQP.

They didn’t lose their core, r49. Dump barely won. Repukes barely won the House. Everything I’m hearing is an echo from 2016. It’s all cyclical, sadly.

[quote]Off to a great start though if Dems start primarying incumbents to make the party more progressive and youthful.

When has this happened before, other than AOC and we KNOW how that turned out. She actually voted with the GOP and against her caucus numerous times (I believe more than ANY other Democrat) under Biden, because...reasons.

If you really think that will happen, ir even work if it does, you're whistling Dixie.

[quote]Democrats lost their core base because they listen to their donors more than the people.

Pure leftist, defeatist insanity.

Which Biden or Obama legislation was not directly tied to the needs of the electorate and on Dem's wish list? I'll wait.

The Democratic electorate is fussy, vindictive, and eager to tell everyone why they won't be voting. The whites are certain there is too much attention to minorities (while they benefit the most, see SNAP) and the loudmouth leftists, who've never written a bill that became a law are stoking the fires with their anti-Semitism masked as "peace", and pushing the lunacy of the Gender Identity Movement and other bizarre indicators of "progressivism". Democratic voters are the ones who can't stop running from the core kitchen table issues championed by the Biden years for their magical wish list of nonsense.

He’s going to destroy the Republican Party.

Good riddance.

[quote]The craziest part is people think Kamala’s rating would have been any better.

Of course it would have been better. She would have inherited a strong economy and she wouldn't have done anything to change that, unlike Trump who is proactively ruining a strong economy to the point that people are now anxious about the future.

Only he could make the Oval Office look like a whorehouse. He also placed this "portrait" between two official former First Ladies portraits in the WH, available for public view. When parody becomes real life.

Kamala Harris’ presidential rating would likely be around 50%. She’d have retained the economy experts, made no wack moves geopolitically, and there’d be no fact-based cause for public outrage. The entire right wing media would find some anyway, and they would foment it 24/7 with their usual malevolent (and unfortunately effective) skill set; and plenty of the cranky Independents would go along. But we’d be in a completely different and far more functional and stable place. Such a better place. There’s no comparison.

ps one more “what if” angle — a Harris victory would have been narrow as hell, and Trump was ready to call for absolute VIOLENCE if she had won. You saw what they did when a white man beat Trump by 8 million. It would have been a societal nightmare if a Black woman had beat him by extremely close margins. We would still be dealing with it and reeling from it.

So true, Torta.

In the unlikely event the Trump regime allowed the Democrats to take a majority in the House or Senate, how will they have any influence on an administration that won't even follow the rulings of its own heavily stacked Supreme Court?

Scary thought r62. Blood will be spilled.

America elected him AGAIN and his overall approval rating is in the toilet. Something doesn't add up here. If you all KNEW he's an incompetent jackass why did you all elect him again?

R64, I think you're referring to different "yous" in different parts of your sentence.

He was elected because the US (like every other developed country) had a period of high inflation after the pandemic that voters blamed on Joe Biden, and they remembered that the US economy was reasonably good during Trump's first term and they thought he would bring that back.

That's it. That's the only reason (except maybe for stopping immigration). Ordinary voters didn't expect or want any of this that he's doing now; they expected him to focus on reducing inflation (the one thing he's completely ignoring now). The only people who knew what was coming were the people who follow the news closely and knew he was planning to do the crazy things in the Project 2025 agenda.

The data support R66.

Polls? Do you think Joe Stalin gave a shit about polls? It’s all about the power. And the brass balls and don’t give a shit attitude to use that power and to use it strongly and viciously. Knock the opposition out of the game forever.

Trump is no doubt still amazed that anyone would be dumb enough not to have put him in prison when they had the chance. Dumb and weak would be Dons verdict.

R66, I spent some time in November digging through polling to try to understand it, and your explanation is a large part of it. Economically Trump’s first term was a home run for three years, until Covid happened. Many voters wanted to go back to 2018.

The other large parts were (2) a general electoral antipathy toward Biden and the status quo, with Harris offering us a continuation of the status quo; and 3) yes, some misogyny and some racism.

Also keep in mind that most of the electorate are totally tuned out (and probably drugged up on antidepressants and who knows what else, they can't recall what they did yesterday much less Dump's first term). That is also how he got elected again.

Is the misogyny you mention the people that don’t see men with a penis as real women ever? Or the anti men in women’s sports folks?

Besides the trans which was an election vote issue you had crime and the border and you had a senile democratic nominee . All issues Trump owned.

R69

Laurence O'Donnell keeps repeating, "All he would have had to do was [bold]nothing![/bold] He could have gone golfing every day, watched TV, and kept his hands off the government, and everything would have been [bold]fine![/bold]"

True -- and depressing AF.

R71, can you please repeat yourself? In English this time.

Casino workers realizing that elections have consequences. They voted for Trump again, even though tourism was up under Biden. They thought he would stop taxing their tips, but instead they lost their jobs.

I've never heard of Vegas canceling the buffets before. When they cancel the buffets, you know that business is real bad.

R74 A lot of the buffets closed during the pandemic as well (another Trump failure). Nevada is DEPENDENT on those tourists and the cash they spend here. We had a budget shortfall after covid. No doubt my property and gas taxes will go up once tRump's recession comes.

But as for the MGM closures/layoffs, I also think there's something else going on there-bad debts, mismanagement?

Doesn’t matter how low it is. The MSM will bothsides him to the top.

Those Vegas MGM mass layoffs and cutbacks, it does seem major. Probably the seniormost execs realizing the math is fucked. They did a lot of risky and tight financial acrobatics to dig out from the Covid situation, which was a hard collapse followed by a slumpy year Fall ‘20 to Summer ‘21 until the world fully opened again. They probably absolutely needed 5+ solid years after that. But instead, just 4 years later Trump has fucked it all up and guest bookings are way down. With no clear sense at all of how long guest bookings will stay down.

I'm waiting for his approval rating to flatline.

Trump voters just double down when he screws them over. They’d rather keep claiming to support him than admit they were wrong. Don’t ever make the mistake of assuming they’ll come to their senses.

They won’t.

If they had any sense they’d have voted for Harris. But they are morons.

R79 the ones I know are not a single bloc that thinks alike. The diehards are gonna die hard, as you say. But he won because a lot of the fair-weather, weak-support voters chose him. Their identity isn’t caught up in it, they don’t believe in him like the diehards do. And the weather is turning foul.

It needs to sink into the fucking TEENS.

They can’t be trusted no matter what they say though, R80. They are ignorant, easily manipulated, and in order to save face they will not turn to Democrats. They will blame Dems because they swallowed Trump’s bullshit. They will blame the Dems for running bad campaigns or whatever…you can count on them not taking any responsibility and being too defensive to vote for a Dem in 2028. I’m just being realistic.

Tampons in the boys bathrooms , trannies flashing their store bought tits on the White House lawn after meeting with Joe, and sex change surgery for federal prisoners showed such good democratic ideas and support for the gay and trans communities

It’s amazing all those American Nazis were so opposed to basic American rights..

R83, that isn’t why Dems lost and you know it. Just like, when Dems won it wasn’t because of George Floyd. Just give it up, you’re as wrongheaded as anyone here. It’s about money, money, and money.

R60 - Republicans would be crying about rigged elections and interference, and someone would have drawn up articles of impeachment against Kamala already. Any serious Republicans have been taken down by the MAGA morons in Congress, and they seem complacent being cucks.

R84 the dems lost for a whole lot of reasons. Not one not two but lots.

And while the border, crime, economy were all issues so was the trans and federal paid for trans surgery for prisoners, and grown men who wanted to compete against women in sports and young kids trying to change their gender, and the woke DEI issue. America became sick of these.

Dems who deny these were an issue are a major problem as far as 2026 and 2028 and…….

No r86. The economy was the major reason the Dems lost. Second is that people did not come out and vote for the black woman. Everything else is just meaningless noise.

yeah, and? The moderate Republicans still standing are terrified of maga-trump. Don't expect them to lift a finger in opposition.

This trash needs to go. Look at what he's done to the oval office. Fake gold shit everywhere. He's got the taste of a Jersey mob wife or a Persian.

[quote]Why should he care? It's the Congressional Republicans that need to worry; he couldn't care less.

This right here R2. I keep asking myself this every time new poll numbers are released. WHY DOES HE CARE ? He's coasting down the highway for the next 45 months. Then he's out - he's not going to be campaigning for another term. So why does he care ?

This is probably more detrimental to those GOP Congressmen/ women who are up for re-election next year, if they don't move away from him now.

I don't think Trump thinks in terms of leaving office. The "third term" he and his people keep floating isn't a joke. If he's unconcerned about his low poll numbers, it's because he has the next three and half years to raise them—or put a dictatorship in place so that they won't matter. He also probably expects to suppress the Democratic vote in the midterms. And maybe he's also just living in a bubble and in denial about the polls.

As commentators on the left (e.g. Paul Krugman today) keep pointing out, though, dictators do need popular support—Hitler and Orbán, to take two examples, reconciled majorities to their rule because they delivered employment, infrastructure, etc. Trump's whole program is calculated to impoverish the majority to the benefit of the billionaires, so he's got a very different calculus to deal with. See R6.

R87 bless you , another kind soul trans supporter, explaining why they had absolutely nothing to do at all in any way with Harris losing.

Keep up the good work

R92, I'm not R87, but can you give any data to support your idea that trans rights issues played a significant part in the election results? They haven't been a significant factor in places like KY and VA; they weren't prominent in the Democrats' platform; the Republicans may have leveraged them to motivate their base, but they don't seem to have influenced the swing vote anywhere near as much as economic factors (real or imagined).

Just because the border, crime, economy moved voters and was important that does not mean that Harris previously calling for trans surgery for federal prisoners was not an issue. Or waltz defending tampons in the boys bathroom.

The GOP trans ads pear to have been some of the most effective.

Bill Clinton told the Harris campaign they were losing the election over these trans woke issues but he claims they ignored him.

JHC the one good positive thing from having your ass kicked in life is that you can then see why you got your ass kicked and adjust.

Include major liberal progressive trans support in future elections for the Dems and see how that works out.

You're not giving any data that support for trans rights was a significant factor outside of Trump's base, who were going to vote for him anyway because they're mindlessly convinced that "only he can fix it."

So what? He'll still be around for three and a half more years.

R93, thanks, thats the point I was making but poor r92 is convinced that trans is the reason Kamala lost. Not based on any data but his own wrongheaded analysis.

I heard the same old tired stuff in 2016, and the Dems came roaring back. Repukes have always based their campaigns on making the left seem radical, even though their policies aren’t. They will come back again in 2026 and 2028 because that’s the nature of our electorate.

[Quote] because the Nazis had two things he wouldn't: a genuinely booming economy

What? The Nazis took over in the depths of the depression. That was one of the reasons they were able to sway many people.

There is no ONE fucking reason she lost. There are lots of reasons. And in a very close election that makes all those reasons very important.

A number of DL posters have posted data showing that the GOP trans ads were very effective. I did not need that data to convince me.. I saw the ads. And I don’t watch fox more espn and cnn if you want to know where those ads aired.

Somebody in all these threads has a truly full blown case of Trans Derangement Syndrome.

You can imagine them stumbling over to their desk laptop every morning upon waking, itching to post some more transgender-blaming wherever they can. No matter how tangential.

The economic fallout is incoming. We will see Trump’s approval rating fall at least 5 more points. The consolation prize for struggling to obtain all kinds of consumer and prescription things we need.

R100 not me. I do not care much about the trans issue one way or another. What I do care about is winning elections.

[quote]Don’t ever make the mistake of assuming they’ll come to their senses.

[quote]They won’t.

Which is why these people must be crushed, humiliated and economically destroyed. Yeah, I know it will affect nearly everyone, but many Trumpers are set to feel the economic ruin first. Let's get to it.

“ Let’s get to it”

When things turn really bad 1934 kind of bad , and standing in line at a soup kitchen is a blessing , federal or national guard troops will already have been deployed, martial law in some cites by then and elections might need extra security to keep bad people away.

And the Enemy Within is being hunted day and night by troops and loyal armed citizens..

A total collapse might not be the unmitigated joy for progressives some on DL think it will be.

[quote]Just because the border, crime, economy moved voters and was important that does not mean that Harris previously calling for trans surgery for federal prisoners was not an issue. Or waltz defending tampons in the boys bathroom.

In how many boy's bathrooms were they placed and how many times did Walz (or waltz) defend placing them there?

Just from having a MAGA mom, I'll say this. She told me (an out gay man) before the election that all gay men wanted to "cut off their dicks." She also said that if women want an abortion then they could move to a state where it's legal. And she's an anti-vaxxer who's had covid twice (to my zero). And she's an attorney.

R104 a great question. The fact is no one cared during the election and no one will care in the future.

For the GOP it was just a fucking gift they made great use of. They took off and ran with it.

R8 - that's one of the more stunning results of recent polls. He's lost between 10-15 pts among Republicans. That's a very big deal. I've heard pollsters say his floor is around 33% approval rating - meaning only true MAGA will continue to back him and it's looking increasingly like a very likely scenario. That's about the same approval Hoover had.

He's not going to bounce back from this. Even if he does a complete 180 on tariffs, the damage has been done. We'll soon start seeing economic impact and supply chain disruptions. And we've lost the confidence/good will of the world. No one if going to trust him not to change course again.

I'm quite optimistic that we'll bury him. If he stays in the 30s, Repubs in Congress will start to turn on him. Already starting now. He's not loved - especially by GOP senators. And many pissed about the 3rd term nonsense because it keeps their own dreams of running on the sidelines.

He'll be neutered. And I hope like hell Vance's career is absolutely left in ashes.

I wonder what’s more dangerous a happy Trump with things going well and lots of approvals or an under fire depressed angry Trump that sees Dems stealing his support.

Alex I will take what would Hitler or Stalin do for $200

Interesting piece from Kos over on DailyKos this morning. Apparently youngest voters age 18-21 went for Trump much more than 22-29 year olds. Theory is, these were the pent up Covid Teens who felt robbed of a part of their lives.

This group is turning away from Trump the most dramatically of all.

They were incels who listen to angry young man podcasts, r109. That's who he catered to in the last few months (once Kamala was the nominee).

I reckon the subset who are actual podcast incels are probably staying with him R110. But some significant and broader chunk of the young voters who voted for him, are now voicing disapproval.

Does anyone think the trans issue had any influence on these young voters? Somehow I think not.

[quote]Which is why these people must be crushed, humiliated and economically destroyed.

I'm on it! Oh wait ....

There are several DL self proclaimed "experts" who keep insisting Kamala lost the election because she wrote a letter to Dylan Mulvaney. Make of that what you will.

These are the same "experts" who claim men want to dress up like wpmen so they can invade womens prisons, bathrooms and locker rooms so they can show women their cocks.

Did someone really say Harris would not be any different. You mean to say she would have dismantled NATO, attacked Canada for no reason (she lived their for a couple of years), started a tariff war, deported people with no proof, destroyed the civil service, etc. Yeah.

R114, yeah, the anti-trans thread hijackers here are best ignored.

Yes the anti trans ads were effective. But there is abundant polling data from Aug thru Oct 2024 on the question of what are your main considerations and issues as you compare the two candidates. Trans stuff wasn’t anywhere remotely near the top.

“Yes the anti trans ads were effective”

R6 As far as the Hitler comparison I think Nazism it’s one of those things that might not happen again just like chattel slavery. It’s like people harbored so much scientific racism it allow those tragedies to happen once the seeds of dysfunctional are planted. I can’t see it happening again in a modern western nation, no matter how bigoted or populist the population becomes.

Not the Onion...

R118 all it would take are the right conditions. And those conditions would be based on fear not hate. Then fear would move to hate and hate to violence.

If the aids crisis was unfolding right now with this admin and country I could easily see fear hate followed by camps and roving death squads. I could see the same thing if another infectious driven crisis arrives next month.

Jews were not hated just because they were Jewish and that Christ killing thing it was the fact that most Germans blamed their poor economic conditions on those money people ( the enemy within) and the money people sucking the life blood out of a country were seen most often as being Jewish.

Womp fucking womp, ya bloated orange slob!

And back we go to the whole tampon in boy's bathroom emergency! For those who don't know, girl's leagues will often use the boy's locker room when they have too many teams present or visiting another school. Of course, this simple explanation is missed. God, I hate stupid Americans

Worth repeating (for the 10,000th time): Where's a sharp shooter when you need them? And I'm talking about someone who can aim this time.

R122

Is that the new BS the far left has come with. What took them so long. 😂 I have never heard of such a thing.

R124 the BS is the fact that the Dumpers give a shit about this very minor and stupid thing. It doesn’t affect jack shit re their quality of life.

r124, this is old news. Schools have been doing this since the 1970s, when I was in school. You're just fucking stupid

Yeah, our high school had a little tampon dispenser on a wall in the boys' room because of girls' sports teams visiting etc. You wouldn't even notice it or know what it was (at least I didn't until somebody told me.) This was a couple decades ago.

But our "all transbashing all the time" little claque in here loves to pounce on these things.

You Americans had it good under Biden! "Men in women's sports/changing rooms/gender-affirming care for minors" as hot-button issues are a sign that times are pretty damn good for most people.

Most Trump supporters still do not know what is going on with Trump, they only watch Fox. They will have to be hit hard financially and even then Fox will spin it as a problem the Dems caused and the Trumpers will believe it. They really are foolish people.

So the tampons in the boys bathrooms was a sports issue and had something to do with girls sports teams in the boys bathrooms and nothing to do with the trans?

Maybe the dems and Walz should have explained that? It was a very close election and every vote was important.

R129 MAGAts will freak out when the Walmart shelves are empty and prices double. On some level, some will abandon him.

[quote] when the Walmart shelves are empty and prices double

and Trump is still droning on about the coming golden age of prosperity.

It should never have been an issue in the first place, r130. You know who made it an issue? Repukes. That’s what they do. They take some lie (remember eating the cats and dogs?) and turn it into an issue. If it weren’t tampons, it would have been something else. Dems are left playing whackamole. Dems need a general cohesive message to combat these lies. The electorate also needs to be smarter (don’t hold your breath).

“That’s what they do” :-)

So it was the republicans that made the trans an election issue then hung that issue around Harris Walk like a really really heavy bolder? That’s quite a claim.

Surprising that being given a great gift the gop would use it.

And Harris did say that federal prisoners did deserve sex change surgery while in prison. So there is that as well.

"So it was the republicans that made the trans an election issue then hung that issue around Harris Walk like a really really heavy bolder? That’s quite a claim."

LOL, that's not "quite a claim"... it's simply what happened. Harris 2024 and related PACs ran absolutely zero ads ever on trans issues. Trump 2024 and related PACs attacked Harris relentlessly with anti-trans campaign ads.

But go on, continue to tell us it's 'quite a claim" that the Trump side alone pounced on this and used it as an election year wedge issue. Which they 100% did.

R130 dey eatin duh dawg end catsss

R134, yes. It was Repukes that made trans an issue.

[quote] then hung that issue around Harris Walk like a really really heavy bolder?

I'm still not seeing any data that the trans rights issue moved voters away from the Dems, apart from the MAGA base, who were already going to vote for Trump. Other issues were far more significant for Trump's narrow plurality.

How well would Putin do in polls in his own country… if people there could freely vote in polls…

R135 I did not think anyone on DL would think I was being serious. Good lord. Yes I actually understand that while the Dems opened the door in the trans issue by calling for federal prisoners to receive sex change surgery etc the gop took that great gift and used it effectively during the campaign.

It would have been political malpractice for the GOP not to use the trans issue as they did. They guessed right. The dems did not.

Eeen sprinfeel, dey eatin duh dawgs and catssss. Dey eatin duh petssssssss.

Just wait he will sink far lower than this.

Let's hope he sinks into a peat moss bog R142.

There will be martial law and armed bands of maga roaming weho if the polls get bad enough.

Enjoy today

This is the good old days

You’ll know it’s low when the thugs suddenly start reclaiming congressional right - like to levy tariffs, allocate funding, and approve cabinet appointments.

Until the thugs start putting the brakes on this shit, his poll numbers are too fucking high.

OTOH,

[quote] A growing number of Republicans are embracing the banner of President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) movement, fueling an overall surge in the number of Americans who identify with Trump’s ubiquitous rallying cry, according to a new poll from NBC News.

That tracks with what we're seeing, R146. Trump/MAGA own the GOP now. R-Moderates are political orphans who might as well self identify as Independent, and more and more of them do.

R146 thanks

Normally the last place on earth anyone should want to find out what is going on with maga is the DL or similar. We tend to be a lot more clueless and wrong than correct ..

MAGA is not only growing it does not plan to see another democratic president ever, People like winners and smell a stench with losers. Pretty predictable.

And who comes after Trump could be smarter, meaner, and more serious.

Doesn't look like his support is wavering in the red states.

Yes, R148. Too many DLers are in their own bubble. I’m specifically looking at all those here who were absolutely certain that Harris was going to win.

R141, they 'eat 'da poo-poos'. Please to enjoy.

R150 I was sure she was going to win as well. But a 3-0 ass kicking like we got just means we were all wrong. We misread things so badly. And saying let’s do more of what we did last time seems incredibly stupid.

And I am not putting any blame on Joe claiming his uncle was eaten by hungry natives during WW2. Although that was such a tasty story.

[quote] a 3-0 ass kicking

Don't gloom-and-doom. The Dems lost the presidency against political headwinds (the governing party lost much worst in other democracies since covid), and by a point and a half—Trump won without a majority. We lost the Senate by losing a few obvious red seats; we held all the swing states except PA. We even gained in the House. And Trump's policies are increasingly loathed.

That's not being Pollyana-ish; it's just the facts we have to work with. Don't hyperbolize.

R152 and Orlando should not be sad today the score was kept sort of close but they ran into an unfair head wind but if one team had missed just a few more shots, and if the other team had made a few more shots, and if the refs had not screwed us, we could have won that game and then the series,

Loser talk. That’s all it is.

We lost the house, senate, White House, the popular vote, all 7 battle ground states and the Dems are now the minority party in terms of members and on their way to shrinking more , just not a popular party today.

You are what your record says you are the rest is bullshit and excuses

Someone’s getting nervous.

[quote] Doesn't look like his support is wavering in the red states

Of course not. They picked their poison and are ready to die for him. Nothing will change that at this point.

Ideas for a new mini series—-“Who will win the fight for democracy ”

The Trump sent tanks drive into LA and are met by a strong contingent of brave souls standing in front of the tanks waving poll results as the tanks drive toward them.

“ who will win” becomes pretty fucking clear real early in this one,

You will see the red state support dropping in the next few weeks when the store shelves are empty and the prices of all essential products are super inflated and people can't access let alone afford basic foods.

I sat next to a table of old white Trumpers at breakfast yesterday. Topics were: the tariffs were why his approvals were low but they're going to be great when they set in; looking forward to the $5 trillion in tax cuts; the media does nothing but be negative about Trump; and Dr. Jill Biden is not a medical doctor so why does she insist on being called that (plus Melania Trump is so much more classy and beautiful).

I was aghast listening to it all. His cult is still strong and in their bubble. They will believe it when he blames all of his fuckups on Biden and Democrats.

The thing is, these appeared to be middle class people. Two of them could barely walk and one was in a mobility scooter. They're going to be impacted by cuts to Medicare and Social Security for sure. And they're not millionaires/billionaires, so those tax cuts will do nothing for them. It's sad how much they deny reality.

R160

“How much they deny reality”

Said on a forum that was 99% sure Biden would win and then 99% sure Harris would win. So sure we FF members who claimed the race was close. And we debated whether we would win all 7 battle ground states or 6. We were giddy with the idea of a 3-0 beat down of the GOP.

Anyone saying the race was close had to be a Trump supporter.

There is a shit load of denying reality going around these days,

[quote]We lost the house, senate, White House, the popular vote, all 7 battle ground states and the Dems are now the minority party in terms of members and on their way to shrinking more , just not a popular party today.

Support for the Democratic Party may be low, but that doesn't mean support for the Republican Party is high. Trump's sinking approval ratings (as low as 39% now) are proof of that. And who else are people going to vote for? The party in opposition always does well in the midterms and there's no reason to expect otherwise this time, particularly given how unpopular Trump's policies are.

R162 I am not a conspiracy type. But if trumps numbers are so low that it looks like a major national turn around you can bet your ass that there will also be a national emergency that will require federal troops and will impact voting.

They are not planning on having the enemy within rule again And these guys are fucking ruthless.

I believe Elon helped Trump win the election.

That's an unbelievable tweet at R155. He expects us to be such ignoramuses that we think that it's due to Biden's policies that the market started sliding after Trump started rolling out his policies? And that his tariffs will have nothing but good effects? You don't have to be an economist ....

[quote] Said on a forum that was 99% sure Biden would win and then 99% sure Harris would win. So sure we FF members who claimed the race was close. And we debated whether we would win all 7 battle ground states or 6. We were giddy with the idea of a 3-0 beat down of the GOP.

Total straw-man.

[quote]You will see the red state support dropping in the next few weeks when the store shelves are empty

That's the thing about this whole situation: the real economic crisis has barely kicked in yet! The sinking poll numbers and protests and so on are mainly anticipatory. It's nice to see people thinking ahead for a change.

When the store shelves are empty, will the deplorables make up a story to blame it on a) Joe Biden, b) illegals, c) DEI, or d) trans people in bathrooms? Since toy manufacturers are already literally planning a war on Christmas, will they blame “Happy Holidays” or Starbucks cups?

Probably all of the above, R168. We know how rigorously logical they are.

It’s everybody but the orange traitors fault, r168.

Frum nails it.

The question is how will his supporters react when things get so bad that they can no longer deny that he is lying to them.

It would be a shame if they string him up like Mussolini.

MAGAts will freak out over empty Walmart shelves. It will be interesting to see if they blame Trump or Biden/Democrats.

I think I know the answer.

History shows that they will blame Trump , forgive the left, and move to help the people that have been calling them Nazis for the past decade

Or

They will start to hunt the enemy within who they are convinced have caused these national problems .

R173

Yep it could get a whole lot worse

Why it matters.

Whatever cuts that are made, those funds will be going to pay for the big tax cuts for the very rich and corporations. It is a further transfer of wealth from the working and middle class to the top 3 %.

"Stores don't have as much as they used to, and it all costs more, but Americans were spoiled for choice anyway, and consuming too much instead of valuing families, church, and God. Thank the Lord President Trump is making us reassess our values as a Christian nation, making us all better after the Democrats made us sin-sick debtors."

R161, I think she did win. I think Trump bragging about how much Elon knew about "vote counting computers" scared the piss out of Elon so he did his Nazi salute the next to wash that coverage off of the front page. It worked fabulously. He stole it with Starlink.

At the cabinet meeting today they each individually praised Trump. These people are vomit inducing.

Why it matters

[quote]Too many DLers are in their own bubble. I’m specifically looking at all those here who were absolutely certain that Harris was going to win.

This is bullshit. Don't revise history.

Nobody on DL was "absolutely certain" Harris was going to win.

Everyone was freaking out because the polls were 50-50, and NO ONE claimed to know anything.

[quote]When these tariffs really kick in and farmers start going under somebody is going to...do something.

NOPE! Stop putting all your eggs in that basket. He will rescue them like he did the last time with millions in handouts to "save real Americans" and we will pay the bill and they will keep rooting for Trump.

So much for rewriting history, R181. Even in the presence of one poster here - R152 - who acknowledged s/he was “sure” Harris was going to win. And R152 had lots of company.

I was foolish enough to believe an actual "Trump is TOAST" video by The Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson, posted here on DL the actual DAY before the election.

It's all the drugs:

There are some incorrect conclusions drawn in the above discussions. Trump won the popular vote (if the numbers are accurate and there's some reason to be skeptical) by 77,000,000 to 75,000,000. A difference of 2 million out of 152,000,000 cast is not a blow out. It's a tiny bit over 1 percent. The numbers in swing states are particularly suspicious. Early day counting in blue counties in swing states was going strongly Harris. In the afternoon, in those same blue counties, the numbers started to swing in a very predicably way to Trump - a statistical anomaly that is virtually impossible. We'll never know, because no one has asked for any election forensics or even a hand-recount in a single county in a single swing state.

But the fact that it was even close (saying that there were shenanigans) still means that half of our fellow voters are certifiable idiots and easily swayed by silly arguments about what cased inflation and trans issues that will never affect them - EVER.

But he can’t save everybody, R182. How is he going to save the teamsters?

I’m guessing when it’s said that, I don’t know, over 50% of Americans don’t have enough savings to go without a pay check for three weeks - that includes a lot of Trump supporters (and Democrats too, obviously). But how are these people going to weather what’s coming…? Especially with a completely shredded social safety net, which in the U.S., was never a close mesh to begin with?

R178, there’s no evidence of that. You sound like a dumb J6-er.

Knowing what we now know about how Elon Musk operates, do you really think he could fix an election without being detected? I doubt it. It’s not like he’s getting away with anything else. And you’re going to take Trump’s word for it? Trump’s word?? With Starlink? Really? You sound like a dumb Trumper.

He legitimately won the election. But it doesn’t mean the campaign was legitimate. And over 4M votes were lost to voter suppression from MAGA state legislators.

I don’t know what to think of these accounts like in this new book, Fight. I mean, it was obviously a total shitshow last summer but it wasn’t like Trump was some great Presidential candidate, full of compelling ideas and well thought out plans for the U.S.’s future. And frankly, he had every major media institution and half the Democratic Party doing the work for him. It was a lot of smoke and mirrors. And 4 years of hardcore election denial unlike anything we’ve ever seen or heard made Trump’s victory kind of inevitable. It’s like the American electorate was intoxicated with this stealth “what might have been” narrative, reclaiming a past - something, frankly, they could only allow themselves to do because of the relative abundance and recovery provided for them by the Biden administration. I often think now it would’ve been better if Trump and MAGA had won in 2020 - Trump and MAGA would’ve roundly failed to save the country and set us on the path to recover, etc. (if you recall, in December 2020, they couldn’t even get the logistics of the vaccine rollout together.) They would never have been able to leverage their fascist agenda and after 8 years, Trump would’ve been seen as the abject failure of leadership and governance that he is. Instead, the Biden administration was the clean up crew for nothing.

All the Democratic infighting is of little interest to me. But damn, they never miss an opportunity for self-flagellation. Yeah, yeah, yeah so the Obamas don’t like the Bidens and didn’t believe in Harris, etc. while the Pelosi/Schumer wing of the party cling to power - I mean, please. The GOP has turned into the MAGA party completely erasing their past connectors, history and politics as the party of Bush & Cheney, a faction now mostly completely alienated and working in coalition with their former opposition. But nobody says what a shit show that is! It’s like these accounts are being used to bolster the selection of Trump over “Harris” (whom we know now and it was pretty apparent at the time that she wasn’t given full autonomy over her campaign or her platform). The Democrats definitely imploded - spectacularly and with a full court media and establishment beat down the likes of which we’ve never seen. (Compare what Ted Kennedy did to Jimmy Carter to what Biden faced in the summer of 2024 - there’s no comparison. It’s like the Democratic Party turned the volume up on that to 111.) But none of that changes the fact that the Trump campaign was a steaming pile of shit. They had a lot of help. As in the 1930s and ‘40s, there’s still a healthy appetite for fascism amongst the political establishment in the U.S. Obviously.

But all this stuff about Biden having dementia…spare me. If Biden has dementia - WYF does Trump have, other than a malignant brain? How can we be concerned about Biden, in the past, now out of office and NOT be concerned about the forever moronic and obviously degenerating Trump who is actually IN office and whose failing faculties have been obvious years and shouldn’t have given voters any comfort during the campaign either? He’s STILL being held to a completely different standard - NO STANDARD AT ALL - while people whittle on about Biden. How can that standard be held exclusively to Biden when Trump is RIGHT THERE. I mean, that ABC interview yesterday?? My gawd, why are we still taking about Joe Biden at all??

(cont.)

More and more I wonder where we would be now if the Dems hadn’t imploded and just gotten behind their candidate. I guess they never could’ve combated that pro-Trump media onslaught - itself, so untethered from reality or any precedent in campaign history (though the seeds of which were planted in 2004). Trump’s win was inevitable and pre-ordained and that’s what should be analysed. The Dem implosion is really a deflection from what our country actually is.

And lastly, passionately supporting a candidate is about thinking they’re going to win, just as we they lose it doesn’t mean you were wrong. A vote is not a bet. It’s an assertion of your principles and, in 2024, a belief in our democracy and all that implies. It’s not wrong. A vote isn’t a prediction like your some bookie. It’s your voice, it’s a demonstration of who you are. And that can never be wrong. This nonsense about somehow having supported the candidate that lost invalidating one’s ability to discern the present is stupid and sadly superficial. Your vote is an expression of your hope. You don’t vote for the winner, you vote for the candidate and/or the party you believe in.

*isn’t about thinking they’re going to win

R181. Bullshit how totally wrong DL

was doing the happy dance with a Harris victory coming. And anyone that was saying that Trump would or could win was given a ff by others and banned, we were going to take all 7 battle ground states and send Trump to prison.

You must have slept thru the election and missed posting on DL it was going to be a massive Harris Walz

Members were banned and called Nazis for even suggesting the vote was going to be close.

^Correct. You were called a Boris or MAGA if you criticized the Harris campaign in any way. It was group think at its worst.

I follow Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) on Facebook, and if the comments section is an indicator he is hated by the left and the right. This could be an easy pickup seat, especially if they gut Medicaid (which 44% of people in Louisiana rely on).

R192 it was worse than group think it was maga or dare I say Nazi like in the banning and trying to control or forbid discussions. And then to be found that those leading the banning and FFing were totally and completely wrong.

Now they lie and revise history and say nope we did not do this

An “easy pickup seat,” R193?! In Louisiana?! In an election for a national seat?! Some DLers never learn.

Louisiana was a blue state until 2000. Even Sen. Kennedy was a Democrat.

That “yeah so your kid gets 2 dolls not 30” comment is going to be remembered and held onto, when it ain’t dolls but basic necessities we are struggling to buy.

Imagine being unemployed this Summer and Fall because of tariff fallout or tourism fallout or DOGE etc etc, and your money is running out. Then your phone dies. And there are no new ones available unless you’re desperate enough to pay double or triple. You do not have $6000. Now you’re unemployed and phoneless. Yeah… only 2 dolls for you.

R196 Kennedy also did not have the Foghorn Leghorn accent, which he adopted when he first decided to run for public office.

R194, I forgive them (they harassed me and banned me 3x for expressing accurate concern about the tightening polls) but yeah, that was disturbing.

I didn’t get time outs until this year. I had plenty to say about Biden and the polls. However, even gently critical comments about the world’s most moral army are a different story.

R199 you are then forgiving Nazi like behavior. You are Christ like in your forgiveness,

But they will only ban you the next time as well.

We’ve undergone a sea change, politically, since 2000, R196. And I don’t recall Kennedy being once a Democrat; I thought that was true of Cassidy.

I also wonder what happened to the PUMA assholes of 2016. They hated Clinton with a passion and there was no way to convince them that hatred of her would get us Trump. Fuck you PUMA douches wherever you are.

[quote]That “yeah so your kid gets 2 dolls not 30” comment is going to be remembered and held onto, when it ain’t dolls but basic necessities we are struggling to buy.

Some talking head last night likened it to "Let them eat cake" in terms of Trump's disconnect from the average American. I hope it lives long into history as a symbol of his contempt for the people who elected him.

R201 maybe they were freaked that it could be true (that Harris could lose and Trump could win). Bad behavior but I forgive it. Won’t forget it though! Me being chased from thread to thread and called Boris when I’d donated over $1K to her campaign. Crazy.

There’s now so much bigger shit and bigger shitty people to hate… I decided to let it go.

This completely FALSE AND FAKE poll done by Trump hating pollsters who are very very stupid. Fake Trump hating polls are a vicious criminal act against AMERICA! We are stronger and bigger than ever thanks to our HUGE WIN on tariffs making America VERY RICH! I am directing Pam Bondi, who is doing a terrific job, to fully investigate! I hear El Salvador is beautiful this time of year. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Nothing he says really sticks to Trump. By next week, they’ll be some new outrage and this too will be forgotten, But it gives Dems some ammo for a few days hopefully.

Trump and his traitorous Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick want us to be factory slaves for the elites. Generation after generation. And too bad if robots take all the jobs, at least they got here the legal way.

I forgave the people who called be MAGA because I was right and they were wrong. Maybe they learned something but probably not.

During the election, I found myself censoring my negative thoughts at times & searching out favorable polls to satisfy the masses here. Definitely a chilling effect.

[quote]Trump and his traitorous Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick want us to be factory slaves for the elites.

Robots are going to take factory (and many other) jobs sooner than Americans think. Trump doesn't want to bring factories back to benefit American workers, he wants to clear the way for his billionaire buddies to become trillionaires by operating businesses without paying wages or benefits (or implementing safety and environmental standards).

r202, He was a Democrat until 2007, when it became clear that Democrats weren't going to be winning elections for a while. He even endorsed Kerry in the 2004 presidential race. He's an opportunist little fuck, even changing his accent to dumb himself down. Louisiana did have a popular Democratic governor until the last election.

And not one of those , is English your 3 rd language Boris calling ff queens , have ever come back and fessed up or said they were sorry or wrong. Gutless fucks.

They have learned absolute shit. The ones I loved best though:

“ go vote for Trump you Nazi maga asshole” an absolute DL classic,

The stupid fucks were drumming up votes for Donald Trump in an election they assumed Harris had well in hand,

Whatever happened to the Boris trolls anyway? If I criticize Dems now, nobody calls me that anymore.

R212 are you referring to Louisiana only, or the country? Because Dems did very well in 2008

Louisiana only.

Let’s remember to distinguish between state & national races. Red & blue states occasionally will elect blue & red governors, i.e., Kentucky, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Maryland. It’s far less common in Senate races. And almost unheard of in presidential contests.

When will the term " Dollgate" start cropping up ? Hopefully never, but it's inevitable.

But R205, in such a narrow, truncated campaign window, what was the point of that criticism, other than potentially disengaging voters?

And what is the point of rehashing it now? So you can claim that you were right? Is that the status you want? Seems like a very hollow personal victory to claim.

Disengaging voters on DL, R219? Please do not conflate DL with the electorate at large.

And the “rehashing” of which you note is, in part, at least, informed by those here who wish to rewrite DL history in this past election. And those who continue to dwell in their deep blue bubble.

I admit it, Torta @ R205, I was one of those who was sure Kamala was going to win. I watched the Rethugs walking out of Trump's speeches and I listened to his gibberish. At the same time, I watched Kamala's rallies. I saw the enthusiasm and the dedication, and I even went halfway across my very large county to get postcards to address, etc.

I would never call anyone Boris (how ridiculous!), but I admit I did pick out only the things I desired so fervently to believe and clung to them for dear life. I just could not -- [bold]would not![/bold] -- believe that the majority of Americans were so incredibly stupid as to vote for that jackass again, even though I live in a place where I'm surrounded by them.

The worst part of this is that I actually studied political polling extensively in grad school, and heard lectures from people who were experts in the field. But I allowed myself to believe (because it's true) that polls ain't what they used to be. When I was in grad school, you could still cold call people and ask for, let's say, the youngest female voter in the household (the school conducted its own poll -- and I even had to do F2F interviews!) and actually get them to answer questions. I know that doesn't work anymore. I distrusted the random samples because -- who knows how they find them these days? How "random" are they? Are they doing mean substitutions a lot, or weighting a small group to have enough, say, young black men for the sample?

So I'm sorry, Torta. I tend toward pessimism and skepticism in general, but in this case, I allowed myself to hope and thus believe. You have no idea how much I wish I had been correct.

Wait until people realize, like Rachel, that DOGE exists to create Soviet style unified files on all of us.

Do you think that CITIZEN CHILD WITH CANCER was deported RANDOMLY?

We know Trump hates sick kids with EXPENSIVE healthcare.

Was he deported to die overseas CHEAPLY?

R219… it was brought up, and I chimed in as someone who was personally harassed and slandered for several weeks. I’m not seeking any “status”, but the facts matter.

I didn’t even criticize Harris’ campaign. Ever. We had the yard signs and we made multiple donations. I just shared detailed poll data and said I think the polls look way too close, and that I was getting really nervous. That was heresy to some people, and they pounced.

See now we’re both rehashing it. Hard not to when you were in the middle of it and you know what happened.

ps Senior lesbian @R221, thanks and you’re “good people” as they say. I always enjoy your posts.

I thought Harris might pull it off too. Felt unsure and anxious but still semi-hopeful. My bigger fear was the unprecedented violence that would be unleashed if a Black woman defeated Trump by extremely narrow margins. In an alternate universe this past winter and spring would have been a very frightening one in different ways than the frightening one we’ve got. They were ready to go to war. There would have been assassinations.

I was more the "Home, home on the range, where the deer and the antelope play, AND SELDOM IS HEARD A DISCOURAGING WORD" type. Because I was scared of the inevitable.

As OP, can I ask that posters obsessing over the November election take it to your own thread? This thread is about Trump's (un)popularity now and its ramifications. Also, posters who gloatingly deny that his poll numbers have any ramifications can scurry off to their own thread.

Fair request OP. And thanks for this thread.

Not much more to say that hasn’t already been said: all the knowledgeable people expect empty shelves and shortages of necessities in the coming months. When that unfolds for real, the polls ought to get at least 5 points worse for Trump. Maybe even 10 points worse.

You may always ask, OP, but this IS DL, where the simple question of why the WML panelists didn’t like Dorothy Kilgallen has led to ten - & counting - parts.

But we can fairly ask that those threads stick to WML, R228.

But they don't, R229. The other jewels of the Goodson-Todman empire are often raised.

Trump is creepy and I can barely stand to look at him anymore.

If Democrats were really the Marxist socialist commies that Republicans keep slandering us as we'd have no problem with party discipline and messaging. It's the GOP that runs a Soviet style political machine that terrorizes and exiles dissenters.

"Buy less." That's what Trump said. Buy less food? Hey fatso, let's start with you.

The golden age is surely just around the corner, now that children can only get two dolls each!

If Jimmy Carter had ever said, "Buy less" ...

I was remembering how it pissed off America when Carter told us to put on a sweater and turn down the thermostat during the energy crisis R235. So much that we voted in a geriatric actor who encouraged us to go to the mall and spend money.

I guess people are OK with scarcity now that their orange reality show cult leader tells them it's a good thing.

"FAKE NEWS! They're not my poll numbers! They're Biden's poll numbers! It will be Biden's recession! I only took over on January 20th"...

May, June and July will be interesting for watchers of Trump's mental state, when things get bad for US consumers.

Will the stubbornness and refusal to admit he was wrong predominate, and these crazy China tariffs stay in place?

Or will his erratic, insecure, reactive side leap to the forefront and he'll simply cave on the whole thing (and absurdly try to claim victory anyway) when the going gets rough?

Even if he axes the stupid tariffs, the DAMAGE IS DONE.

It will take months for shit to return to shelves, and some of it won’t.

He shot us in the foot, and it will take decades to recover from this prick and his band of idiot kkkunts.

The US will never be trusted until everyone associated with this criminal is dead and gone - including his fucking half breed immigrant brats.

Fuck every last fucktard who voted for this orange traitor. I DGAF what the excuse was. May you get what you voted for - starvation, homelessness and lack of healthcare.

[quote] All Hail the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown

R223, thanks for your response, Torta. I’m just seeking some understanding, y’know, of all the different people standing under this big umbrella. I’m sorry that happened to you.

I think, like you, I’m staying on the periphery of this wave of rehashing the election. I don’t find it particularly interesting other than investigating the motivations for it a bit.

The fact is, the people are taking charge. The people are leading the way. And these talking heads trying to diagnose the problems and telling us what we need to do are, frankly, asserting power they no longer have. Democratic politics is an independent, growing coalition of voices, that is filling the void and taking action on our own. It will be interesting to see where we stand and what takes shape by the end of the summer.

As for Harris, I hope she runs for Governor and wins.

R238, Trump’s biggest problem is China. He dishonoured Xi. Maybe someone should read The Art of War to Trump.

XI isn’t going to rest until Trump disintegrates into a pile of dust. “If you sit by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

That’s what Trump is up against.

Over the many centuries that people have been on this earth many foolish people lost much betting against the devil.

[quote]I didn’t even criticize Harris’ campaign. Ever.

That is a lie, r223. You came back here in July 2024 with your "I'M BACK!" thread, and immediately started trashing Biden and Harris.

You can pretend you didn't, but you did. You contributed to the mistrust of the Harris campaign, despite seeming to change your tune later (while still predicting doom and gloom for her - and then, YES, gloating that you were "right" after the election).

You are clearly a chaos troll. Why don't you use your signature on your porn threads?

R244, with all due respect, you're a fucking psycho.

p.s. "(my) porn threads"?? Yeah so it's true, I like gay porn and I have participated anonymously in a few existing threads on it. I have no memory of starting any. Is any of that a crime now?

Stalker freak.

FWIW I had blocked the person Torta is talking to. Torta, don't engage the troll.

Hmm. I thought - post-election - I had released all my blocks, But I somehow missed R244.

[quote]President Donald Trump has said pollsters that have shown his approval ratings sliding in recent weeks should be investigated for "election fraud."

[quote]Responding to the polls, Trump wrote on Truth Social on Monday: "They are negative criminals who apologize to their subscribers and readers after I win elections big, much bigger than their polls showed I would win, loose a lot of credibility, and then go on cheating and lying for the next cycle, only worse."

" Loose a lot of credibility"? Fucking moron.

Good news:

[quote]President Donald Trump's approval rating has declined in almost every state since January 20, according to new polling data.

[quote]According to the latest state-level polling data from Civiqs, Trump's net approval has declined in 49 states since January, with the steepest drops seen in some key Republican states. In Florida, his net approval fell by 9 points, from +8 to -1. In Colorado and South Carolina, the declines were even sharper—8 points each.

[quote]In the Midwest, Trump's approval dropped moderately in key states. Ohio, where he had a +7 net approval rating in January, now stands at +2, while Iowa has slipped from +4 to even. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, two crucial battlegrounds, both saw 4-point declines. Michigan's drop was smaller—just 2 points—but his approval there remains in negative territory at -7. Even in reliably red states, the former president is not immune to attrition. Utah recorded an 8-point drop (from +21 to +13), and Idaho, for instance, dropped from +36 to +30, and Oklahoma fell from +31 to +26. Wyoming, where Trump still holds his highest net approval at +38, is down 6 points from January. Arkansas, Montana, and Kansas also saw 6-point declines, signaling that the erosion is nationwide—even in Republican strongholds.

Can the people who feel the need to rehash and gloat about being right about the 2024 election, take that conversation to another thread? Thank you.

Also, no one fucking cares. This thread is about Trump’s rapid descent into unpopularity. Not your personal burn book or self-cheerleader book.

Some of you people are sad and pathetic.

R251 this is important to point out . Gloating is bad form no matter the thread. People should stop gloating

But if no one cares about it why are you complaining about so many posting about it? Either way good luck and if they continue to not listen to you I’d repeat once again why you said.,

Good Luck

I think the '24 election should still be a cautionary note in recognizing that poll numbers are not always dispositive. So relevant in any thread about Trump's (current) polling.

I don’t care about them being right. I DO care about the unnecessary posts about them being right. Is that fair, R252?

You're right, R254.

And yet who is keeping the , we were right , posting and tolling alive , none other than those who have been complaining about the , we were right , posting.

In case you missed it people were not bragging about being right they were complaining about being right and then banned by the progressive DL Nazis that decided they should be the ones to control who posts what.

Not that anyone on this thread would tell others what they could and could not post.

[QUOTE] And yet who is keeping the , we were right , posting and tolling alive , none other than those who have been complaining about the , we were right , posting.

Did you just have a stroke? Please learn how to use proper grammar and punctuation. We use English here.

And, no, dear, they were bragging too. Don’t be obtuse.

Thanks R256, appreciated. (And re: the off track accusation of gloating, I wasn't right about the election; I still thought and prayed that Harris would win narrowly. I got harassed and banned for "hurting Harris" by expressing concern that things looked tight. As if Datalounge has even the most micro impact on the US electorate)

Back to topic... R250's map is a good one, and interesting that Florida stands out for turning the strongest against Trump, relative to months ago. Do we think that's because of the impact on tourism especially? FL is more tourism-dependent than most of the rest of the country.

There's usually a new round of polling after the first week of the month, so let's see in a week-plus if Trump is sliding into the high 30s. It seems likely.

No R257 they were complaining about the progressives Nazis that kept banning and ff them despite them being right. That’s the point the banning not the being right,

You are totally misreading things friend,, it’s not the being right that is the main issue.

Besides what’s worse in your world banning and censorship or bragging?

My approval of this thread sinks into the 30s.

“They” R259? LOL. I think meant “I”

*you meant

Waiting for 33%

Doubt it'll ever get that low, R263. Trump's hardcore MAGA floor is higher than that.

If the dem civil war ever takes off and progressives end up as their own party or force , the 3 or 4 party system so many claim they want to see in the US , maga could dominate nationally for decades , while getting 37% of the vote.

His floor needs to be 20%

I am ashamed and bitterly disappointed that so many Americans are so goddamn hateful, racist cunts.

And immature, entitled pig ignorant shitstains.

R266, have you never read history? Most of that 30-odd % are the heirs of the white confederates we should have let go when we had the chance.

A side question to the whole Trump popularity question is—- what are the chances the democratic party implodes? Which has certainly happened in the past with the Dems during tough times.

I think implodes is very possible. Which would make a sitting presidents low popularity kind of a moot point.

Donald is turning 79 next month, and he isn't healthy. The probability of his dying or suffering a grievously disabling condition get dramatically higher every day when you're at this point in life. And he is the focus of this cult. There's nobody else to slide into place if he's out of commission.

[quote]what are the chances the democratic party implodes?

Thank you; your concern has been noted.

r264, you mean it would signify that the MAGA hard core is dissolving?

Maybe then they will understand who the enemy is of the 2nd Amendment.

The right wing cult used Trump as much as he used them. . There has been a strong right wing current in this country for many decades. Some serious coup talk in our past, To think this ends with Trump is beyond simple. It could actually get a lot more right wing and a lot worse.

And now they have a Supreme Court and young men thinking they are strong and cool, a weak looking and acting Democratic Party. The far right plan to take over and not go away.

R268, being the oldster that I am, I’ve heard that so many times before, never more than in 2016. The Democratic Party isn’t going anywhere.

R269 is right. There is absolutely no one to replace Dump once he goes. Vance is a joke, a puppet. Seriously, name one Repuke who can.

I have R264 blocked and I only block Trump/Nazi sympathizers.

Maybe Don, Jr., R274. Trump's diehards might just see the name & reflexively vote for the brand.

And if you’re responding to that, sweetie, I can’t read it because I have you blocked.

[quote] I have [R264] blocked and I only block Trump/Nazi sympathizers.

Wow! R275 will not see this (although I would hope someone would quote this post so s/he could), but s/he could not be further from the truth. I take a back seat to absolutely no one in my contempt for the Orange Jesus & his cult. I've noted in this very thread about too many DLers being in such a bubble that they couldn't envision the possibility of a Trump win & R275 is exhibit A for this very proposition.

Since he can’t read, he has no idea what the Declaration of Independence says (it’s in the Oval Office but he can’t be bothered, clearly)

That’s the shit lining with these latest negative Trump polls. Voter approval rating toward the Democrats (in general, as a party) is not asked nearly as often, but the little data available suggests it’s just as bad.

R280 just as bad? Your comment made me do a search or two. It looks like dem party favorability is worse than gop not just as bad.

And one survey had trumps popularity rise among Dems although it’s still very low. Still early the situation in the US will get better or worse,

It should be below zero but that are too many stupid people out there.

r281, that is the product of the Murdoch/Marketing/Analytics Machine.

When Democrats ran on all the Biden bottom up, middle out policies and couldn't overcome the Border policies, which Trump killed, there is a messaging policy.

So how about this for a campaign slogan:

You didn't like our stable and solid economy, how about this time: we are the party that won't kill you?

R283 how about winning next time? That is the only issue worth a fuck. Slogans are not what is important.

My gut feel today after reading the listening and watching since November —-there is NO way the Dems will come together and win in 2028. The party is more likely to split and fight. Border, woke, trans, ,, Jews and Muslims, crime, etc etc these issues will still be there in 3 years.

There is a good chance though that the gop will go totally tits up and the Dems will be gifted a win, IMO our best maybe only hope for a Dem win is the gop faltering and the country not going farther right.

Good Luck All.

I think the hardcore MAGA floor - meaning those still supporting him after Christmas 2025 - is 19%.

I mean, the hardcore Nixon floor - meaning those who thought he shouldn’t have resigned - was about 24%.

I think there’s still room for a lot of MAGA supporter denial like all those people in Germany, post-WWII, who supposedly didn’t support Hitler and claimed not to know what was going on.

We already hear anecdotal reports of neighbours quietly taking down their MAGA flags or whatever. It’s already happening.

Neither party will go tits up in the near future.

R285 must have missed the report of trumps recent support growing significantly in % at least among——Democrats. Small % true but a Large increase.

And today the GOP is larger and more popular than the democrats.

R285, Trump’s hardcore support is much greater than that of Nixon’s. Trump’s support is religious-like in a way that Nixon’s never was.

At the core of trumps truly strong support is not Trump , it’s the Rights disgust and hate of elites, progressives, the libs. For many on the Right Trump is an instrument to use. They are not generally paying attention to the crazy nonsense he says.

Someone smarter, meaner, and more focused and unlike Trump, is a true right wing believer, could well be in the near future to lead. Time will tell.

But do they come out to vote in the same numbers as they do for Trump, R289? I don’t think so.

[quote]Slogans are not what is important.

THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!!

THEY'RE EATING THE CATS!!

It depends on what you consider a slogan.

‘ Slogans are not important winning fucking elections is important.”

Thank you, Mr. Murdoch @ r292...

I thought Harris standing up for the civil rights of children who needed gender change assistance was brave. As was her insistence that federal prisoners should be afforded needed trans care while in prison was brave as well.

She was a woman and politician who was ahead of her time.

I agree, r294. It was particularly bold of her to support a Trump policy.

I’m dunno, R288. My 80-something dad still thinks Nixon got a bum rap.

Also R288, as you yourself describe them as “religious” which I take to mean DELIRIOUS, indicates the hard core is smaller than you think. They’re noisy, for sure, but when Trump has won it’s been with a LOT of soft support and by very narrow margins. That soft support is fickle and will very easily and quickly peel away. They don’t have the insane commitment it will take to completely defy reality - not just right-wing media but REALITY - that will soon be required to keep supporting Trump.

Thank you, Mr. Murdoch @ R294...

Focusing the election on .01% of the population was brilliant propaganda, Rupert.

Most experts say that Trump's hardcore supporters comprise no less than 33% - he still had 34% approval on 1/15/21! - of the country, so he's seemingly in no danger of descending to the very lowest levels of Truman, Nixon, Carter & the Bushes.

r299, which means that if his numbers fall below 33%, he is shedding MAGA voters.

Right, R300. We'll see if that happens. But if J6 didn't do the trick, I have to question whether their religious-like fervor will ever allow themselves to separate them from their Orange Jesus.

I can't find the article or remember the name of the author(s), but I remember reading during the W years the observation that the absolute floor for wingnuttery in the US is 27%—the amount Alan Keyes got in opposing Obama in IL in 2004. Keyes was a late replacement for a Republican who dropped out due to scandal, he was from MD (where he'd previously run for senate) and had no personal base in IL, he was black like Obama—all the controls were there. Add to that unmovable 27% a shifting few percentage points of hangers-on and clueless types and Trump won't dip much below a third.

r301, it's funny, but everything about those Evangelicals is about the money.

All of Project 2025 is about the money.

Let's see if his tariffs put some of those small business MAGA out of business.

We will see.

J6 was about umbrage at an imaginary injustice, a disbelief in reality.

An immediate rise in auto insurance is an undeniable reality.

We’ll see.

Let’s face it. Americans have had a fairly easy way of life since 2009. Yes, we had an economic crisis and a pandemic, and both had real victims. But the government stepped in to help out, even paying people hyper unemployment and writing checks to individuals and companies.

In this kind of environment, supporting terrible populists came with almost no real cost to most supporters. That is likely to change. We’ll see how tough the cult is once people can’t buy cars, food, houses, or a third doll.

The effects of Dump's economic policies are just beginning to be felt. Let's see how people feel about him in another 3 or 6 months. We're about to go through some things.

Trump gets a warning from big-bodied bleached blonde...she's not happy.

[quote]“I represent the base and when I’m frustrated and upset over the direction of things, you better be clear, the base is not happy,” she wrote in a lengthy post on X. Ms Taylor Greene, one of the loudest voices of the Maga movement, said she was “frustrated” with the direction of the administration, claiming it was not delivering promises she had campaigned on. She said: “When you are losing MTG, you are losing the base. And Trump isn’t on the ballot in the future, so do the math on that.”

Even more trouble.

[quote]House Speaker Mike Johnson's (R-La.) goal of passing President Donald Trump's policy agenda in one so-called "big, beautiful bill" just hit a major snag.

[quote]NOTUS reported Friday that multiple moderate members of the House Republican Conference have told the speaker that they will not support any budget plan that makes steep cuts to Medicaid (the program that provides health insurance to low-income and disabled people). Some of those outwardly opposed include Reps. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) and David Valadao (R-Calif.), though NOTUS' sources said at least 10 Republicans were the record against cutting Medicaid.

[quote]Moderates spoke out after a comment from House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) saying that moderates were "on board" with leadership's proposed changes to Medicaid's funding structure, which would end up cutting federal support by hundreds of billions of dollars. One unnamed source told the outlet that Scalise's remarks were "not representative of any conversations that the members representing majority making districts has had with leadership, leadership staff, [Energy and Commerce Committee] staff [or] chairman [Brett] Guthrie."

He’s a shell of a president. Others, like Miller are calling the shots

R308, we keep getting this reporting, but the Republican House has fallen in line each time.

R309

That should never be ok it’s an afront to democracy.

But, R310, they're talking about cuts to Medicaid and the Congress people are running next yr. A whole different ballgame, as the fear of cuts to Medicare are real.

We’ve used Biden’s final budget now for 19 months. It would not be a shocker if the Republicans just kick the can down the road again.

Can’t buy a thrill anymore.

R307, I suspect MTG may go through some things if she keeps up with that.

Like Pam Bondi suddenly claiming that they have a positive ID on MTG as the DNC pipe bomber.

R315, hopefully that horrible creature will get primaried by a less toxic GA Republican next year. She came in dead last in a recent GA Senate poll, and surely that’s been noticed among the Georgia GOP.

Considering the massive shifts in support for MAGA-like candidates this week in Canada and Australia, which denotes a lot of soft support, why wouldn’t we expect similar shifts in Trump’s support at home? Something to think about.

People are getting pissed at Donnie 2 Dolls. Wait until prices start going way up from his tariffs.

Trump dies and the MAGAt entity/egregore will become diffuse and slowly evaporate. They feed off each other, and I think many soft Trump supporters would jump at the opportunity to pull away from constantly having to show support for his actions, however crazy. Most MAGAts will never admit they were conned or that he was a bad choice. However, once he dies, the symbiotic relationship between him and his supporters also slowly dies. I agree with the commenter up thread who stated no other GOP person will ever be able to duplicate the culty energy Trump has been able to generate. And even the most ardent MAGA can get psychologically and emotionally exhausted from being constantly agitated, so they'll be ready for a rest.

[quote]She came in dead last in a recent GA Senate poll, and surely that’s been noticed among the Georgia GOP.

I sure noticed!

R317, outside the reddest areas, & other than Trump, MAGA-like candidates have not fared so well in this country.

R321 and thank goodness for that. If maga did do better they might control the Supreme Court, House, Senate, and White House.

Point taken, R322, but they have been shut out in gubernatorial races in the swingier states.

[quote] Trump dies

If it's what you say, I LOVE IT!!!!

I don't really listen to polls Oct. 8, 2024, and a month later . . .

[quote]They picked their poison and are ready to die for him.

Then die they shall!

I would not count on Trump dying soon. He looks like he should be keeling over from a heart attack or a stroke, but he won't.

On the other hand, he has dementia, but no matter how advanced that gets, they will keep dragging him in front of the cameras but keep his public statements to a minimum. Everything they accused Biden of doing and being (senile, etc.), Trump will be 10 times worse and they won't admit it. He's already talking in word salads and I suspect Stephen Miller is basically running the country at the moment, with the cabinet secretaries free to do whatever they want.

I don’t think he has dementia, R327. He’s been this way for as long as he’s been president.

Agreed R328. I don't think he does either. He has rambled like that unless scripted for a long, long time.

He’s not demented; Nuts.

Seriously claiming Trump has dementia and his staff and maybe wife are running the country may not be the most effective argument the Dems can use against the GOP .

MAGA voters regretting their vote for Trump.

He has dementia. Someone analyzed his vocabulary and he’s diminished considerably over the years, which is a sign of dementia.

You mean, he went from a 6th grade to a 4th grade vocabulary?

When I saw Joe at that debate , when I see Trump speak now , being old myself I am not the least bit surprised.

Too bad the young people could not find anyone to run and win,

most of his followers have mental illness

I pay $1.99 a month just to get an ongoing look at Mental Illness in America. It’s shocking R336 the crazy insane things I read every day. Honesty is not always on display and mny might deny it but I will take your word that many of them must have voted for Trump.

The "genius" of Trump, really Steve Bannon, R397, was forsaking undecided or independent voters & focusing on their base of crazies who have voted irregularly, if at all.

He's absolutely got dementia. How that's a question, I don't know. Umbrellas flummox him

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

NAILED IT!

R339, i think Parkinson’s too as the holding a bottle of water poses such a challenge

Parkinson’s?

He drops out and junior is named VP.

Then they raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes for the rest, pledge a move for free or low cost housing for genz , keep beating on the trans and woke, keep attacking progressives constantly , and then remain committed to destroying the Democratic Party for all time—-they could do a tv series

Dynasty

[quote]Too bad the young people could not find anyone to run and win,

Too bad the young people could not find the time to vote.

At the same time USA Today published a poll saying only 2% of those who voted Trump are yet willing to say they made a mistake. This has to be faked.

Name and shame 'em!

From Campari to Louis Vuitton: The companies bowing to Trump and strengthening their US presence:

That poll sounds about right to me, R344. People are not so eager to admit their mistakes. And even that small a shift might've made a difference in a close election.

[quote] People are not so eager to admit their mistakes.

An that goes double for MAGAts and Republicans in general.

If the Dems don't hammer this home, they don't deserve to win another election.

[quote] If the Dems don't hammer this home, they don't deserve to win another election.

To no avail, Harris tried to make that argument stick. There wasn't a (general election) majority for an anti-democracy appeal.

R348 I thought the plan was to call them all Nazi s? People understand ww2 and the hated Nazi. Most have no idea what’s in the constitution,

[quote]To no avail, Harris tried to make that argument stick.

Back then it was hypothetical; now it is real, direct from the traitor's mouth.

How “hypothetical” was J6, R351?! And yet that, somehow, was not enough to end Trump as a viable political figure.

R350/sweetie, your retarded posts (always filled with errors in punctuation) are worthless.

R353 then quit complaining grow some balls and quit reading them. This constantly complaining after reading , then more time the time to search for my previous posts to read and then search for other posts then complain some more that is unmanly and weak.

I don’t attack other posters on DL I don’t call them names I don’t go search for their previous posts so I can attack them it’s clear you and I are different.

You want to keep stalking fine but I could hardly care what you think

[QUOTE] This constantly complaining after reading , then more time the time to search for my previous posts

Another punctuation error, as if on cue. Are you a non-Native English speaker/writer? We don’t use commas like that.

R355, I don't see anything wrong with R354's use of the comma there. The real offenses are the use of adverb "constantly" for adjective "constant," the extra space before the comma, and the nonsensical "more time the time."

R355 sorry it’s the results of my brain cancer. The doctors told me I’d have problems like this. Spelling and shit

I realize you are just stalking but I m grateful you constantly point it out and constantly call names rather than debate intelligently anything I said.

Have a great DL day my friend

Grammar diversions are tedious.

[QUOTE] I realize you are just stalking

I didn’t “stalk.” There was no need as I correctly guessed it was you by your distinctive posting style. Thank you for confirming.

Jack climbed a beanstalk.

[QUOTE] [R355], I don't see anything wrong with [R354]'s use of the comma there. The real offenses are the use of adverb "constantly" for adjective "constant," the extra space before the comma, and the nonsensical "more time the time."

Love how your second sentence immediately contradicts your first one.

This thread is an example of why Trump is president. It really explains a lot.

r360, and don't be surprised when Trump steals the cash in the Treasury and leaves us Trump's Magic Beans™.

Why is he so fixated on “dolls”? Could he possibly mean that word in the Jacqueline Sussan tradition?

The Trump doll analogy is a pathetic one. He wants to divert the reality that the cost of tariffs will cause significant inflation and will mean you will only be able to afford to give your children one or two meals a day rather than three.

Ugh, Kristen Welker throws softball questions when she interviews Trump. That's no doubt the reason he selects her.

Yes, R366. What now say all the Chuck Tood-haters here?

[quote]Love how your second sentence immediately contradicts your first one.

You're saying that spacing = punctuation? The comma is punctuation (as you specified: "We don’t use commas like that"), and it's used correctly.

[quote]Why is he so fixated on “dolls”?

Isn't it obvious, r364? Deprive the girls.

r367, she asks followups.

[quote]Let’s remember to distinguish between state & national races. Red & blue states occasionally will elect blue & red governors, i.e., Kentucky, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Maryland. It’s far less common in Senate races. And almost unheard of in presidential contests.

Deep Blue Massachusetts elected softie Repub "Sexy" Scott Brown as US Senator, to succeed liberal lion Ted Kennedy no less. They also love their moderate Republican governors (Weld, Cellucci, Baker, etc).

Trump makes a lot of looney bin faces.

[quote] Deep Blue Massachusetts elected softie Repub "Sexy" Scott Brown as US Senator, to succeed liberal lion Ted Kennedy no less. They also love their moderate Republican governors (Weld, Cellucci, Baker, etc).

That special Massachusetts Senate election - during the peak of the Tea Party - was, like the Alabama Senate special election that saw Doug Jones winning over the deeply flawed Roy Moore - was the exception that proved the rule (&, btw, both Brown & Jones, though then incumbents, both lost their subsequent races for full six-year terms). And as I indicated in my post, there's a difference between state races for governor & national elections for the US Senate.