The DNC declares war on La Belle Hogg. Could they be awakening a sleeping giant?

Because the DNC never meddled in primaries...

Are you fucking kidding? Hogg is a chaos agent. VOTERS pic who they want. I thought no one wanted the DNC to put their thumbs on the scales in primaries?

Fuck Hogg. I know a lot about him. He is not on the up and up. He’s a bad actor.

r2 Go back to your podcast Cameron

R3 Eat a sandwich stick figure come to life, Davey.

I have such mixed feelings about this. I get what David Hogg is saying about the deadweight and the obstacles in the Democratic Party, but it seems weird he thinks he can still be at the DNC and doing this. As a guy running an independent PAC (or semi-independent, let's not play make-believe about "independent" PACs), he's free to go after the old guard. But in his position, it seems just bizarre.

yeah. Hogg and AOCunt. Just the two we need to save the world. One thing I will give AOCash is she got pretty rich A LOT quicker than other congress members.

R5 Voters pic these people. If a voter wants an 80 year old rep who has tons of clout, that’s what THEY want. The DNC doesn’t put its finger on the scales. He wants more Talib’s. He wants a maga Democratic Party full of far Left freaks.

I'd settle for a Democratic party full of people who can spell and use punctuation properly.

Just do some goddamned vetting and make sure we don't get any more Sinemas or Fettermans.

La Belle Hogg has awakened a sleeping giant, the Democratic establishment, to neutralize him.

Trump dismantling democracy didn't wake it, but suggesting getting rid of the 80 and 90 year olds sure did

Hogg and AOC should both know by now that the 18-30 crowd doesn't turn out to vote. Ever.

David Hogg has been working for three years to get young voters to support stronger gun laws, and he has failed miserably. Now he's joining do-nothings like AOC in bashing older, very effective Democrats. Once his fauxgressive candidates go nowhere, he'll announce he is not voting and Gen Z will eagerly stay home too, which they were going to do anyway!

I'll support Hogg if he targets the elderly Bernie Sanders and the doddering Elizabeth Warren first!

Two of the youngest Senators in years are Kirsten Sinema and John Fetterman, two useless, gold-plated nutbags.

I wish Senator Frank Lautenberg was still alive to kick Hogg's ASS!

R13 Good point!

And Cori Bush, Talib, Pressley, Omar, are all young and turn off 99% of voters outside their deep Blue districts.

Bernie hasn’t gotten a MF thing accomplished in 30 years except get rich.

Dems in Disarray!!

[quote]Fuck Hogg.

As someone who's lived in FL for awhile, I've been saying that for [italic]years[/italic], FCI @ R2.

Of course, being a lesbian, I've never been swayed by his supposed "good looks." I mean, I can see him for what he is, someone else who wants to make a living as a podcaster and who got a lot more publicity (and perqs) than he deserved.

Meanwhile, there was a young lesbian who sounded off as much as he did, and where is she? She's barely been heard from since, although she did the usual thing, becoming non-binary and bisexual. And she graduated from New College back when it was a liberal bastion for strange but bright kids.

Oh well.

I liked X Gonzalez back when she was known as Emma Gonzalez. She seemed to be more likable than David Hogg and the other Parkland kids.

[quote]doddering Elizabeth Warren first

Maybe you should try watching her in interviews, rather than being spoon-fed sound bites from the media. Turn on CNBC when she goes head to head with that cunt Joe Kernan.

You have no idea what your fucking talking about

[quote] I'll support Hogg if he targets the elderly Bernie Sanders and the doddering Elizabeth Warren first!

He will never target Bernie Sanders because the obnoxious Bernie Sanders and AOC fanboys and fangirls, go fucking nuts whenever anybody ever dares to question Bernie and AOC's motives.

R16 I hear ya, senior lesbian. Have you clear to go to Panama?

I like Warren. Bernie? No. He’s just a talker.

Hogg will play the victim, but he was attempting to destroy the only good party we have, and it is a good party. Blame voters. American voters are dumb as fuck. They are easily duped, and led astray. They are willfully ignorant. Gleefully ignorant. Most don’t even vote.

Not the right time for this. It'll splinter the votes and Republicans will win again.

[quote] Voters pic these people. If a voter wants an 80 year old rep who has tons of clout, that’s what THEY want. The DNC doesn’t put its finger on the scales. He wants more Talib’s. He wants a maga Democratic Party full of far Left freaks.

This is his angle. He obviously doesn't want moderate or liberal Dems in office. He just wants the far left nutsos in office.

David Hogg would the type to endorse dumb fuck Bernie fan boy Abdul El-Sayed who is running for the Democratic nomination in a US Senate race in Michigan. El-Sayed has no fucking chance of winning the nomination and he didn't learn from his failed 2018 gubernatorial run in Michigan. El-Sayed is either going to lose to Mallory McMorrow or Haley Stevens. If El Sayed loses to Mallory McMorrow, David Hogg and the far left crowd will find bullshit reasons to demonize her. Haley Stevens is already hated by the far left nutcase crowd. I'm going to laugh my ass off when El-Sayed loses.

future elections? Aren't we the optimistic one.

R22 It’s like my Bernie bro friend- he knows voters overwhelmingly support progressive/liberal economic policies. But put a D next to them, and automatically half of voters say NOPE. My friend listens to left wing podcasts, so he thinks it is just that Democrats don’t want to implement these overwhelmingly popular policies. They never explain that voters will not support these policies if Democrats are pushing them. They never explain how the media is 90% conservative and push the corporate narratives against those policies. They never explain corporations retaliate against Democrats for passing progressive policies like tax increases on them like price gouging during WW inflation knowing Ds would get blamed. They never explain that many Ds represent moderate voters who are timid about big, bold economic policies. I hate Manchin as much as anyone, but you’ll never get better out of WV AND he VOTED FOR LIBERAL JUDGES! Those judges are stopping Dotard right NOW. They never explain voting for harm reduction is ok. They never explain that, in the end, it is ALL ABOUT JUDGES. Yes, Sinema betrayed us and her voters, but she did vote for most of Biden’s liberal judges! That will pay off for decades.

[quote]Maybe you should try watching her in interviews

I'm making a braindead ageist comment like David Hogg to prove a point, try to keep up.

[quote] Now he's joining do-nothings like AOC in bashing older, very effective Democrats

Oh yeah, they're just so fucking effective

A strongly worded letter will teach him a lesson!

FCI @ R24, you know I love Lizzie. She's the only politician I have ever given money to. I'd even sleep with her if she'd have me!

[quote]Have you clear to go to Panama?

I have my residency card, so in theory, I could move there at any time. But I'm here in FL with my little dog waiting for my Panamanian lawyer to notify me that my official Pensionado Visa is ready. I have to physically be in Panama City to pick it up. Plus, I know how this sounds, but I feel like I need to stay here until my elderly dog is frail enough to be put down. Right now, she has her good days and bad days, and she's at the point where she sometimes has a little trouble standing up. But at times, she has a lot of energy and heart, and she loves her mother, so... We'll see. Thanks for asking!

Are you still in a position to be able to find out interesting tidbits of information? Keep us posted!

He pwned Reincey on Sunday.

R29 Yes, head over to the Treason thread! And I was simpatico with you in that thread about moving out of country and having to put your animals down. Mine are young, so I’m stuck, though if things got really bad here..you know. I’m happy for you. You can escape! May you never need to.

I like him

The Democratic establishment will go kaput in the primaries

Biden will have destroyed many careers of people like himself, ossified DC apparatchiks

R33 ahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

Nope.

There's nothing wrong with the Democratic party. We know what they stand for

The Rethugs tell us this constantly to explain how they stole an election. Kamala didn't 'connect' with the American people- even though she outrai$ed Trump five times over. Even though she was neck-and-neck in the polls.

[quote]I have my residency card, so in theory, I could move there at any time. But I'm here in FL with my little dog waiting for my Panamanian lawyer to notify me that my official Pensionado Visa is ready.

At some point we're going to have to treat this never-ending Panama story as mythology.

[quote] There's nothing wrong with the Democratic party. We know what they stand for

We are in the situation we are in now because of the Democratic Party

R35 IS the problem. He and his kind will be the first to go when the revolution comes.

R37 There will be no revolution. We are in this position now because American voters are dumb as fuck contrarians who think the party that has caused every fucking recession or depression From Hoover to Trump is better on the economy when 100 years of data shows Democrats are by EVERY MEASURE. It’s not even close. The party that has given tax cuts to the rich for over 40 years is believed to be the party of the working class by dumbfuck voters. You can’t fix that level of stupid.

“If they’re wealthy they’re smart!”

Billionaires fund right and left wing media to bash Democrats. When you have a Fox on one side and a Young Turks on the other beating the shit out of Democrats it’s going to have the intended effect. It is all by design.

[quote]Oh yeah, they're just so fucking effective

Nancy Pelosi is an historically significant Speaker of the House, responsible for shepherding through some of the most important legislation of the last two decades.

Chuck Schumer got about forty liberal lifetime judges confirmed in the 50-50 Senate which included Fetterman, Sinema and Joe Manchin in the lame duck session AFTER Trump's re=election. Currently the judiciary is all we have preventing Trump's total authoritarianism! Before him Senate Majority Leader (and oldster) Harry Reid was responsible for much of President Obama's agenda passing. The final Senate years for Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were among their most effective. These are facts.

Quick, give us a list of ALL significant legislation written by Bernie, AOC or Rashida Tlaib. I'll wait!

R41 For the win. Bernie named a lot of post offices..and got really rich.

R42, can you show us receipts on Bernie & AOC wealth?

I remember some story where Bernie was claiming that his net worth was only 300k

Sanders owns three homes, R43. How many do you own?

I actually don't begrudge Sanders his wealth. It's that he's been in politics for 65 years and has been largely ineffective. We can all describe the problems, and assign blame. Effective politicians get legislation passed to address the problems.

Bernie is a troublemaker who did his share of damage in 2016 along with Bernie bros. The Bernie bros and sisters are basically the far left version of MAGA cultists.

I just can’t get past Elizabeth Warren’s California King earlobes. Can’t she get some kind of reduction?

If he assumes a leadership position.....will he become Boss Hogg?

R31 I have several expat friends who brought their cats or their dogs. It’s not impossible. It kills me all the people using their pets as the reason they can’t have some great life abroad. Just admit you don’t want to do it.

[quote]I just can’t get past Elizabeth Warren’s California King earlobes. Can’t she get some kind of reduction?

She's 75 years old and has made it through life very successfully so far. I doubt this is a priority for her.

Thanks for posting the Cut piece by X Gonzalez. I didn’t realize until the end that it was over two years old. I hope they are doing okay.

R45, can you show us the receipts on that? What is his total net worth and how does it compare with other members of Congress? Does he trade stocks or have a mutual fund? Is he engaging in insider trading? Same questions of AOC, and every other member of Congress.

I just like to see receipts, especially on DL. It’s tradition as I’m sure you know.

Yes r50 but it’s a distraction for me! Doesn’t she care?

^at least wear bigger earrings. Those little pearls she wears look like raindrops on a windshield.

R52 It took two seconds to Google that. He's worth $2M at least. He has a "camp" on Lake Champlain. Do you? I don't. It has 500 feet of shoreline property.

Now you want a comparison to other senators? Way to move the goalposts.

[quote]I just like to see receipts, especially on DL. It’s tradition as I’m sure you know.

2 million? Oh, hell no, it's a multiple of that! Here are the receipts.

Here's the scummy scam that gave Bernie, er I mean Jane Sanders many many millions. During his Presidential campaigns Jane Sanders sets up her own "media placement" company allegedly separate from her husband's campaign which for a 10% fee of the funds spent places and buys ALL media (tv, internet, radio) ads for the campaign, one of it's biggest expenditures. With hundreds of millions raised and spent (often ignoring campaign finance rules) we can only imagine the huge haul Jane cut herself in on.

Bernie is worth many many millions more than 2 million, don't be naive.

All of this is public knowledge to those interested in being more than dilettantes.

It’s amusing how the Berners aren’t even aware of R55 and r56. Why? Left media shields him while right media needs him.

No R38

You are just like MAGA who will never accept that their leader did something wrong

We are in this position because of Democratic Party leadership who is propped up by mindguards like you

I’m team Hogg. Look at what the DNC has done over the past 10 years. Archaic and out of touch.

[quote]Sexy Hogg Boi ...

Really ? The guy with the huge head and no personality is now the described as sexy ? Geez - the bar has really been lowered.

David shouldn't be doing this in his position. I agree with that.

[quote]Hogg and AOC should both know by now that the 18-30 crowd doesn't turn out to vote. Ever.

Actually, 47% of eligible voters aged 18–29 voted in the 2024 election. That’s a drop from 2020’s 50%, but still higher than 2016. So no, it’s not never.

You can’t and shouldn’t ignore younger voters. They’ve shown they will show up, especially when the stakes are clear.

Yes, voters aged 50 and up make up the largest share of the electorate, but they tend to lean Republican where as Gen Z voters tend to lean Democrat (as do Millennials) so yes, you do need them.

The Republicans play the long game. They know if they invest in young voters, they will grow to become older voters who vote with them which is why they're gaining.

[quote]David Hogg has been working for three years to get young voters to support stronger gun laws, and he has failed miserably. Now he's joining do-nothings like AOC in bashing older, very effective Democrats.

Look, I get it. You’re frustrated. (And I don't entirely agree with David's methods) But writing off young people like they don’t care or contribute isn’t helping. Hogg and AOC didn’t invent political division--they’re trying to respond to it. And frankly, if older, “effective” Democrats had fixed this stuff already, kids wouldn’t be marching in the streets begging not to get shot at school. They’re not the problem.

We're at 27% favorability as Democrats according to NBC News. Acting like we shouldn't look internally a bit isn't helping.

Damn I love you R61. 100% nail on the head.

OK R49, you sorry fuck. Here are the receipts [italic]for you[/italic]. [See link.]

My dog is 15. She's not in great health and barely knows where she is even in her own yard. If I throw a treat on the floor, she has trouble finding it. She's good first thing in the morning, when she literally runs around the house for a minute or so to get me to feed her, but she pretty much sleeps the rest of the day. And as I said, she's starting to have some trouble getting up. Plus, in order to move with her to Panama, she has to get a "good health" certificate from an FDA certified veterinarian, which will never happen.

You, being the omniscient person that you are, would you try to take that dog on a plane and squish her under the seat in front of you? Or put her in cargo? I would have to carry her everywhere, along with my luggage, with all my past motorcycle injuries dragging me down. She barely fits in the travel bag I bought to fly her "up home" with me when she was a puppy, and the airlines do not allow you to get dogs out of their carriers on the (3 1/2 hr.) flight. Even if she were young and spry, it would be a logistical nightmare. Ask your friends who traveled with pets how they did it. I bet they have more money than I've ever had in my entire life, or partners/family who can help them. Me? I can't even get a 1 1/2 hour ride to the airport -- everyone I know here is older than I am and they barely leave town; they're afraid to drive to Orlando at all, much less to the airport. I mean, the logistics of getting just [italic]me[/italic] to the airport from here are a nightmare.

I am so ready to leave here I'm (no, not literally) jumping out of my skin, and I feel awful that I wish the dog would become more infirm [italic]quickly[/italic] so I can GTFO of here, but that's the way it is. In fact, if you'd like to come here and take my dog and promise to give her a last good six months or so, you can have her. But not having me around to take care of her would break her heart. And I won't do that to her unless I can somehow justify it.

Before you shoot off your mouth, you should perhaps put yourself in another's shoes.

Rant over.

r41 And there's the problem, clinging desperately to past glories. How are they effective right now in taking on Trump? Democracy under threat but Schumer sees his job as forcing the left to love Israel.

Meanwhile Sanders, AOC, etc are successfully out there right now drawing huge crowds and connecting to voters. Maybe if the Dems didn't stymie every piece of genuinely progressive legislation they too could appeal to those crowds. But hey, continue to laud the Democratic establishment that enabled Trump's second term.

r57 Because they're still just random posters making random claims without providing a scintilla of evidence.

R63 Drag them!

R61 Republicans don't invest in shit. Billionaires do. They want chaos in the Democratic Party. They want these do nothing mouthy idiots running the show alienating voters. Hogg hasn't been effective in anything he's done.

R57, I’m no Berner. What I am is someone who has become so cynical about all of our major media that I question every single thing I read now, no matter what. And you still haven’t shown me a primary source on Bernie’s net worth — just ranting of an anonymous person. Just cite a legit source.

I have no idea on Bernie as a politician/human being. I only know that several politically-savvy people I respect admire him. And they admire AOC. And I do not expect any media from either side to give outsiders a fair shot. They did the same thing to Kamala and Tim — crucified them, while giving Orange Satan a free pass to the WH.

I no longer read any American media, only European. Forgive me for not assuming that you’re correct without receipts, primary sources eliminate all the debate, but no one has shared them on this thread. If you make a declaration on someone’s character, it helps to post a receipt because then we can all move forward on accepting it as fact.

No disrespect, peace.

Tell us about him r2. I'm intrigued how a 25 year old raised 20 million.

I have loathed this pig of a man since he almost literally pushed one of the other victims of the school shooting, a black girl, out of a camera frame and proceeded to use a horrible tragedy to grandstand and self promote. He’s always been an entitled white boy from an affluent family, a faux progressive and literally starved for attention and desperate for fame. His political and social demise can’t come soon enough.

R68, not to mention his “survivor” narrative built out of being in a different building when the shooting happened.

Eh -- these gayboys are suckers for a pretty face. How do you think that fucktard got the nickname "La Belle Hogg"?

Hell, I don't even think he's attractive. And the name"Hogg"? It suits him.

Why does it matter when a huge block of Democrats didn't even bother to get their black asses to vote? It's true, look it up.

[quote]Republicans don't invest in shit. Billionaires do. They want chaos in the Democratic Party. They want these do nothing mouthy idiots running the show alienating voters. Hogg hasn't been effective in anything he's done

Wrong, R65.

Saying “Republicans don’t invest” is just not true. The billionaires may write the checks, but the GOP absolutely knows how to spend it. They build student orgs, target TikTok, run influencer campaigns, and flood social with anti-woke nonsense. That’s investment, whether it’s coming from Koch bros or Joe Rogan. All these little Republican talking heads on social are part of a bigger plan.

And yeah, Hogg hasn’t fixed everything, but he did help shift the conversation. Gen Z didn’t create the mess, they just inherited it, and they’re dealing with climate collapse, school shootings, and rent that costs more than their lives. If they’re loud, that’s because they have to be. What else are they supposed to do? Write a strongly worded letter? While people continually tell them they don't vote and they don't matter?

I long for the days of the 90s/00s Rock the Vote and Teen Summit broadcast on national television to include my generation in the conversation.

Acting like Hogg and AOC are the reason voters are alienated is wild. That’s like blaming a smoke detector for the fire. They’re reacting to a system that’s failing them, not causing it.

[quote] Acting like Hogg and AOC are the reason voters are alienated is wild. That’s like blaming a smoke detector for the fire.

They’re like a smoke detector that doesn’t work, is constantly beeping its alarm, and short-circuits and actually causes a fire.

David's right. The new DNC Chair I never heard of is insisting that t he DNC cannot approve of primarying old, bad Dems. David says otherwise and he and his groups have had the $$$ and the organizers to prove it. Maxwell Frost is now a member of Congress and David made it happen. They have also focused on state legislatures. David said he would not resign his position as Deputy of the DNC and he also said he would continue to primary old ineffective officer holders. Now it's on the Chair to decide to either fire him or let him make his own rules. I'm with David.

Leave him be to his own resources.

[quote] Hell, I don't even think he's attractive. And the name"Hogg"? It suits him.

He looks like a real life version of a cartoon character with that giant forehead.

The DNC is bankrupt as a party. They supported Hogg getting elected as deputy because he has already proved he is a force. He has demonstrated ability to raise money. He has the trust and support of the younger people. He has a proven record of getting people elected. So of course he is an asset. But now they want to take this asset and impose rules on him to force him to conform to a DNC that is weak and ineffectual.

[quote] He has demonstrated ability to raise money.

I'm not denying this, but is there actually proof of this. Has he, specifically, proven particularly good at this? I would think he'd turn off big donors, not that there can't be good reasons for that, but still.

R78, From everything that's publicly available, he has helped raise a good amount of money. March for Our Lives (which he co-founded) took in millions after it launched, and his PAC, Leaders We Deserve, raised nearly $8.5 million by late 2024. Those are serious numbers, especially for youth-focused political work.

You're right that he probably isn’t courting old-school mega-donors the way a traditional candidate might. But that's kind of the point. He's pulling grassroots money from younger voters and small donors who usually sit on the sidelines.

I'll never forget his viciousness towards Mayor Pete in that primary, which went WAY beyond politics and into personal territory. His tweets back then weren't unlike Musk's today in some way. The male Symone Sanders. Shame people have such short memories.

And no, passion doesn't explain it. We've lost civility on both sides and that's not the sort of thing you can reverse easily once it takes hold, it's all a race to the bottom afterwards.

David Hogg was a bit nasty towards Gretchen Whitmer in the aftermath of the Michigan State University shooting in 2023. He appeared at some rally and said that people needed to be ready to hold Whitmer accountable.

Dumb fuck Hogg ignored that during Whitmer's first term as governor, the Michigan state house and state senate were controlled by Republicans and as result there weren't any gun control or reform bills being pushed through or passed. That wasn't Whitmer's fault, but dumb fuck Hogg was willing to rake her over the coals for things she couldn't completely control during her first term. Whitmer's second term started in January 2023 and by that the time Democrats gained control of the state legislature. The MSU shooitng happened in February 2023. After the shooting, the state house and state senate passed gun reform bills which Whitmer signed into law. Hogg went an event where the bills were signed even though he previously trashed Whitmer.

Hogg also doesn't consider the fact that most politicians on both the Republican and Democrat sides are sociopaths. He could easily piss off the wrong sociopath in the Democratic party and the sociopath Dem just has to place calls to wealthy donors or PACs funded by billionaires and they will find ways to defeat the progressive candidates that Hogg is promoting. Hogg and his progressive pals are probably already targets for AIPAC and similar right wing funded PACs that help elect moderate Democrats into office. Moderate Democrats aren't hated by all Republicans. Some of the Republicans in Congress like Tim Burchett and Anna Paulina Luna are pals with some of the moderate Dems.

I know this wouldn't happen, but I would love it if some moderate female Dem (think Elissa Slotkin) got elected president in 2028, Hogg and other progressive would have meltdowns.

r77 - In that case, he is and should be free to fly independently, right? He's got popular backing and cash, so why not?

Why does he not? Numerous previously conservative figures have become"Never Trump" and have convincingly broken away from the GOP and become effective communicators against the Trump dictatorship.

Why can't David Hogg do the same?

[QUOTE]Hogg also doesn't consider the fact that most politicians on both the Republican and Democrat sides are sociopaths.

Are you sure Mr. Hogg isn't a sociopath himself? Some descriptions fit.

After his big successes with gun reform and helping Florida turn blue, I’m not surprised he’s a Dem leader. Oh wait, that never happened. He better not replace winning incumbents with losers. But Dems love losing. Even when victory is almost guaranteed they’ll blow it.

[quote] Voters aged 50 and up make up the largest share of the electorate, but they tend to lean Republican

Most Americans aged 50 and up are gaping fucking assholes. The sooner they die the better the world will be.

The DNC wants him inside the tent, not outside creating divisions, or, more accurately, exploiting already existent divisions Hogg is young but he isn't stupid and with experience he can do some good. Look at the fucking party. Hell, look at Congress. We have way too many geriatrics in leadership and the younger generations need to be engaged. Who is going to appeal to them if not people like AOC and Hogg.

[quote]I know this wouldn't happen, but I would love it if some moderate female Dem (think Elissa Slotkin) got elected president in 2028, Hogg and other progressive would have meltdowns.

There we are, the Democratic equivalent of "lib tears". Wanting to elect someone just because it'll upset a group of people you dislike. Pathetic.

[quote]And yeah, Hogg hasn’t fixed everything, but he did help shift the conversation.

NO. He actually didn't. Fewer young people are voting since his "advocacy" and far more are voting for Trump/GOP. Florida his home state got redder. He needs to sit down.

These things are quantifiable.

When AOC was a shiny new nobody her loud first order of business was to primary and get rid of Hakeem Jeffries who gets 75% more votes in his district than she gets in hers. She also campaigned against Sharice Davids...I guess they're "too old", huh?

How did all that work out.

r88 And that's entirely his fault? He must sit down, but the entirety of the DNC responsible for the situation get to continue as usual?

You're moving the goalposts, r90.

Everything that is going on the the Democratic Party is due to negligence and a complete inability to appreciate how flawed their strategy and their perspective has been. Biden is the example. Old out dated thinking, and his team was too busy lying and protecting him to adapt and face reality.

What's wrong with rigging a primary?

It’s infuriating people refuse to accept how corrupt the party was at a leadership level

They knew Biden was declining, and rather than have him finish one term with dignity, they chose the worst possible path forward, delivering us into this nightmare.

Hell isn’t hot enough for the Bidens and their enablers.

r91 I asked a question. Why are you putting that all on his shoulders? You think the DNC has no blame for that?

A Democratic Party civil war is coming.

[quote]Everything that is going on the the Democratic Party is due to negligence and a complete inability to appreciate how flawed their strategy and their perspective has been. Biden is the example.

HUH?? "Gaza" and the Gender Identity Movement are the examples. Don't kid yourself!

Biden's administration was actually historically successful, but sneering young non-voters decided "too old, must be a failure"! Hey, at least they'll never pay off their student loans, get an abortion or own a home!

r97 So you're only blaming young non-voters for Trump's victory?

No, r98, millions of young voters voted for Trump, so I blame them too.

[quote]A Democratic Party civil war is coming.

Thanks Bernie!

Biden was too old. He should have never run for a second term. You can’t blame Biden being senile and screwing the pooch at that debate on sneering young non-voters. That makes no sense at all.

r99 with centrist logic

The Dems youth vote leans progressive but Dems are only 40% of the voters max.. There are lots of voters under 30 who are MAGA or don’t bother to vote at all.

I'm sitting here reeling about the reveals in the Jonathan Allen Amie Parnes book, FIGHT. About the campaign. I hate Biden and his old guard more now than I ever dreamed possible. Not only did he fuck us by not prosecuting Trump immediately following the fucking insurrection, with his Merrick Garland bullshit, he and his staff an Jill directly undermined Kamala to donors. They have the emails, solid evidence that "Hey we gotta stick with Joe because Kamala is a disaster" They peddled that to the donors she would need to carry out a campaign. And the other thing is that even before Joe's disastrous debate in June, he was behind. Yes. He was losing to Trump. His numbers were bad. That was why they wanted the June Debate. They were hoping Joe would deliver a great performance like he did at the State of the Union in 2023...which is when he should have announced he wasn't running. Joe was so fucking wrapped up in his ego, he even wanted to wait to endorse Kamala "for a few days" so he could take a victory lap after announcing he'd drop out. Pelosi was busy pushing him to drop out and have a primary. Obama was trying to get Dems to agree on an open convention. it seemed like, according to the book, the only guy who knew WTF was happening, was Bill Clinton who was working hard campaigning and was totally on point with the fact that Kamala's "team" from the Biden campaign seemed tone deaf to the accusations and TV ads that were hitting home with the voters. Her Biden team ignored oir minimized them. They also lied to her about holding on to 7 swing states. On election night she was shocked that they were losing all the swing states because she was lied to.. So yes, David Hogg and AOC and anyone else who is not tainted by the old guards bankrupt thinking is who I am with going forward.

R104 maybe biden really thought Harris was a disaster. He had 4 years to watch her. And it’s not like she ever won a dem primary on her own in the past.

What did the Bidens think made Harris a disaster?

[quote] What did the Bidens think made Harris a disaster?

If your subordinate fails in every project that you give her, and you hear her word salads in real-time without a 60 Minutes edit, and you know that politically she has no base of her own, it would be hard to come to any other conclusion.

I thought Harris ran a fantastic positive yet hard hitting campaign. She was never a great or even good campaigner but she found it, and fell short slightly over 1%. Who else would have emerged from a Dem primary? We see and KNOW if Kamala had won a Democratic primary the media would have had a whole year to beat her up which WE KNOW would have happened.

The border, trans and inflation at the grocery store would have sunk ANY Democrat and there is zero evidence anyone else would have done any better. I'm stunned the idiotic electorate didn't see Project 25 and rapid authoritarianism racing towards us with Trump. Trump's brain is far worse than Biden's which is smart, but old, whereas Trump's is demented and old.

I honestly think Trump will not serve a full term. Something will happen.

It was racism, misogyny, and homophobia that won. They’re undefeated in American politics.

[QUOTE]If your subordinate fails in every project that you give her,

Besides the "border czar" project, which was essentially unwinnable, what would/should a VP be able to achieve per the powers granted by the Constitution? What failed projects?

r108 The difference is that if she won a primary she would've been able to assemble her own campaign team, instead of inheriting Biden's.

It does feel it's only a matter of time before we get confirmation that Biden endorsed her because he thought she'd lose, and he wanted to keep open the idea that he's the only one who could've beaten Trump. And if that does prove to be the case he'll be condemned by history.

R111 My god, stop with this insane speculation. JHFC.

R106 they were non specific. She'd be a disaster. She's not up to it. Etc. The authors described it as Biden was drowning and he was holding her head underwater to try to save himself. This was t he cabal of staffers and family who didn't want Joe to quit.

Ironic. You compare Joe's debate performance to Kamala's a couple months later. Enough said. And we had no idea Kamala had done so much foreign policy stuff. She worked hard and Joe shit on her. Everyone always knew Joe had an enormous ego and a bad temper. He was also very paternalistic towards women. He definitely had a problem with them. Oh. in t he book, Jill is a world class hater. Nancy Pelosi is dead to her.

[quote]He was also very paternalistic towards women

That's one word for it

R113 - I didn't know about her foreign policy work either until I read an Atlantic feature article where the writer shadowed her for a while during overseas travels on behalf of the administration.

Biden shat on her and wanted her to lose?

I'm suspecting a ton of opinion posing as fact here. I'd say Harris' campaign was far truer and effective than Hillary's even though she lost, I thought she effectively discussed the issues and what Trump was ready to do. The fact is Democrats greatest electoral desire is a circular firing squad. Democrats are expert legislators, but elections are their bugaboo. Basically Dems feel they must go overboard to please leftist fauxgressives who are highly unreliable on election day. This is always enough of an issue to determine outcomes.

Democrats are extremely precious with their votes and have never understood the binary nature of American national elections. We see that this is not only deadly to progress, but deadly for Democracy. They need to wake the fuck up now.

Ha! I wouldn't worry about any "sleeping giant".

That giant will still be sound asleep on election day and nowhere near a polling place!

[quote]I'm suspecting a ton of opinion posing as fact here

Remarkably hypocritical coming from the poster who accused Sanders of sleaze with zero links to any sources. And no-one in the chain about Biden is pretending their opinion is fact, we're all openly speculating.

You know, back in the day, the Republican Party had the tradition of it being someone's "turn" to run. That's why guys like Dole and others got nominated from time to time. And the delegates at Republican conventions almost always following their marching orders. Of course we had outliers like Goldwater, and Lindsay and Rockefeller, but mostly it was Moderates who prevailed. And every time a Dole or a Goldwater lost people would proclaim the Republican Party as dead. And then they resurrected themselves.

I am not worried about the Dems. They will come roaring back as they did after McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis lost. We will have our Clintons and our Obamas again. But remember. Both of those guys were not Liberals. They were to the Right of Bernie and Biden. And so was Hillary. The Dems govern well. They just don't know diddly about messaging. Biden should have never run in 2020. He was bitter by then. He wanted to run in 2016 and was very pissed off that Obama didn't want him. He felt it was his "turn." But he was still grieving Beau and was in no shape to run. IMO he missed his shot and by 2020 he was way passed the age of a candidate.

Thank you r118! I asked for sources, and clarified by asking for primary, direct sources.

I do think it’s quite interesting that the Dems who get the most public adoration (Crockett, AOC, Sanders, maybe Warren) are the ones who get the most shit flung their direction…..could it be…maybe just maybe, it’s propaganda?

All I’m saying is that usually when people are sooooo convicted and strongly opinionated on a politician, attack them, dislike them, attack anyone with an open-mind, but are unable to give a single solid example backing their assertions up, I’ve found that those people are usually just regurgitating propaganda. I’m not saying it isn’t true on Sanders — I just haven’t seen an actual fact posted here, so I still can’t say.

I never loved Hillary, but I used to ask my mother (a Berner!) WHY she hated Hillary so much in 2015 during primaries. She could never give me a single example — so even though my mother leans left, she too soaked in all the right-wing propaganda on Hillary! “A vast, right-wing conspiracy” indeed! Hillary was NOT wrong!!!!!!! That quote is maybe 25 - 30 years old too, HRC knew exactly WTF these mother fuckers were up to, yet America refused to listen to a woman.

And they did the same thing to Kamala too. And hit me all you want, but this was a rigged election — if ONLY based upon 67 bomb threats to all-black voting precincts called in from ***Russia*** and dozens and dozens of burned ballot boxes (I can’t even confirm how many because the media basically blacked out these election interferences). And don’t even get me started on Elon buying votes. Say it with me kids, just like our Orange Fuhrer, “They rigged the election. That’s how I won.” Kamala did win it, and all of the Westernized world knows it too, but unless We the People can prove it, no one will touch the story (understandably).

R120, you're right on the money! And there were far more bomb threats than 67; media stopped reporting but if was closer to 200. All Democratic districts!

[quote]he was way passed the age of a candidate

The word you want is "past." Like in past, present, and future.

Dana Perino is normally the most composed member of “The Five” on Fox News, but the former White House press secretary devolved into uncontrolled fits of giggles last week as perfectly unremarkable pictures of David Hogg flashed across her screen.

Not pictures of Hogg doing funny things, acting out funny situations, or with funny alterations or graphics of any kind – just normal, everyday pictures of the recently elected DNC vice-chair doing things one would expect a 25-year-old gun-control activist and party operative to be doing.

But for whatever reason, Perino couldn’t handle it. She immediately began fumbling her lines for a Thursday segment about the leadership struggle inside the Democratic party when the first picture of Hogg, wearing a parka and speaking normally into a microphone, came onscreen:

“This old-vs.-young dynamic is playing out at the DNC, where the party’s chairman Ken Martin,” Perino tried to say as the guffaws bubbled up from within.

“Forced a rebuke by … spread … Greg … anyway so Democrats … want to … ” was all she could get out in between fits of giggles as the images kept rolling.

Of Hogg answering questions at a march on the D.C. mall...

Of Hogg, in a sharp suit and tie, gazing wistfully at another person...

And of Hogg speaking at a lectern...

Perino was so thrown off by then that it wasn’t clear she even saw that last one – and it’s probably for her own good.

Hogg is a comical looking character. Laughter is understandable, especially in the context of him having been given a real position and the idea of people taking him seriously.

So there we are, so called Democrats defending Fox News now

A number of well known leftists may as well be working for Fox.

They are both working at achieving the same goals.

If the DNC is a Sleeping Giant, it must be very dead asleep because it failed to stop an impeached rapist criminal from being re-elected.

Stop misgendering men, R123.

People who do this detract from their message.

Did you gay come of age in the 1950s?

The fuck are you on about?

The dolt Hogg may have finally reached the limit of how far he has been able to use his white privilege to get ahead. Give people far more deserving a chance.

That kind of DEI/Woke bullshit like the Tweet at R130, is why Democrats keep losing.

It's also why white males (of all generations) are running to the Republican Party.

The DNC needs to stop with that bullshit RIGHT NOW.

David won, fair and square.

R131

Hey it’s not just whitey

That would be white [italic]male[/italic] privilege, R130.

And yes, R131 -- it certainly does exist.

Adding young blood to the DNC is a good thing. But trying to replace all the establishment Democrats systematically is a recipe for disaster. It takes many years to effectively transform a political party's agenda and leaders. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater means many more elections where Republicans will dominate.

Or throwing out the people who sat by and did not a lot as every liberal achievement of the past 60 years was dismantled is politically necessary if we want to return to anything resembling a decent country.

Hogg doesn’t represent a movement and can’t turn out the youth vote. He’s an attention whore and if he wants to primary Dems he should not be doing it from within the DNC. I thought it was a mistake to elect him in the first place, he should resign now.

R136 is probably correct, but i would also say that DNC Centrist types don't really represent much of a constituency either. Kamala's campaign was basically all their advice (touring with Liz Cheney, concentrating on kitchen table issues, ignoring or downplaying trans issues or culture war issues) and she lost.

So where does that leave us?

No, only Hogg can be blamed for the low youth vote. Absolutely no-one else at all. Same with gun violence. Only Hogg is expected to solve that single-handedly.

you know, we need to learn from the success of the GOP. I hate Trump and I hate the Republicans. And their "success" is based on a lot of factors, but we cannot ignore the fact that at the state level and in Congress they have been purging everyone who does not swear loyalty to Trump. This has been going on for years. He owns the Republican members of Congress. He has not been as successful as he would like at the state level, but Trump has made some progress. What I have noticed about Hogg's operation, is that his group targets districts where support for the incumbent is weak, and they have succeeded in getting younger more progressive candidates elected. Now if this means a weak Dem gets primaried then that's what happens. There's a lot of game playing going on in our elections, and it is not unusual for the Republicans to choose their opponents. So in some cases Hogg has turned the tables on them.

I've been a Bernie supporter for many years, but it is also smart to be centrist and compromise when necessary.

R140 then how would you compromise with Trump voters, steal them away, and win the next election? It’s obvious they are having success stealing away traditional DEM voters,

Compromise does not mean agreeing with people you for the most part already agree with, Its finding common ground with people you might otherwise despise

I typed a strongly worded letter. And I EMBOSSED the envelope! ✉️

I'm talking about compromising with other Democrats. There is little or nothing worth compromising with the MAGA party. The Republican party is effectively eliminated.

R143 MAGA has no problem taking and recruiting our Bernie Bros and young black and Hispanic men to grow bigger and stronger. But the Dems will stay only among themselves to recruit?

That seems very counter productive but then at my age, 104, I am just an observer to the great democratic crash and burn drive , a the rebirth of Donald Trump , the loss of democracy and a significant 0-3 defeat suffered by the shrinking democratic party .

The message—-don’t recruit new voters we might not agree with,

R144 I was talking about not compromising with MAGAs in Congress, not the general population.

R137 there were a lot of factors behind the election loss but imo the platform was not the problem. The biggest issue is that July is simply too late to switch candidates, and giving up incumbency is never a good idea. The biggest Google search on election day being “did Biden drop out” tells us that.

R145 it’s a moot point because no one at any level is compromising with anyone else. We are no longer that country. People will submit but they won’t be compromising.

I think Hogg is willing to compromise. He is a survivor of a mass shooting. He lost friends to gun violence. He has been lobbying for gun safety legislation for years. Yet, when Joe Biden and his team had a chance to pass minimal gun legislation, and Hogg wanted more, he was convinced to compromise and support a weak bill as better than no bill. I remember that fight very clearly. So he is willing to work with others much more so than a Bernie Sanders. The calmest I have ever seen Bernie has been during the 4 years of Biden. He really toned down and tried to cooperate with Joe. But a lot of people forget the "other " Bernie. I think Hogg has strongly held beliefs and he is not wrong about getting a fresh perspective, and being willing to get rid of do nothing office holders in favor of candidates who are willing to do more. But on the pragmatic side, I use Manchin as an example. A lot of us hated Manchin who was rightly regarded as a DINO. But because he identified with the Dems, we were able to keep a majority head count. Numbers are important when you're talking about the leadership who control the House or Senate.

Bernie was calm during the Biden years because he respected him as a man. The only time Bernie turns on Dems is when there’s a female candidate.

Oh please, Bernie had to be talked down from challenging Obama in 2012. He respected Biden because Biden respected him.

R150 I wish he HAD run in 2012 because the people who are Bernie Bros now would have crushed him (they were Obama supporters) and then we wouldn’t have this cult to contend with.

The "cult" only exists in your head

Bernie and Joe were long time friends and allies. But there is definitely truth to the observation of Bernie having a problem with women as equals. He doesn't regard AOC as his equal. He couldn't stand Hillary. Barely lifted a finger for Kamala. Bernie and Joe shared a certain perspective when it came to supporting women and minorities. Paternalism.

Hogg is a grifter and this is a great way to raise money to do nothing.

Oh look at that, more random accusations with no evidence to back them up.

Got to love the posters suddenly remembering that Bernie allegedly has issues with women. Funny how that's only now come up when their other attempts to slur him have failed.

r154 And how does he grift, exactly? Come on, some evidence.

R155 he uses DNC mailing lists and other resources to solicit money for his own PAC which barely donates any money to candidates but does pay him a six figure salary. Is that enough for you?

...evidence

No, it's never enough because like in every cult evidence means nothing, especially sad Berners.

R156 yeah and he used those lists to raise money to get Democrats elected, too. He's bee pretty effective in turning out the youth vote and in getting Dems elected. He's not 100% but he's doing a damned good job, which is why the DNC wants him inside the tent.

"By aggregating votes across ballots and failing to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way, the DNC’s process violated its own Charter and Bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity"

The DNC is hellbent on losing elections, aren't they?

r158 Try posting just one piece of evidence for your claims. Expecting people to believe smears without evidence is what the other party does.

Ironic how the same people who claim Dems are useless also insist that Hogg needs to keep his DNC seat. Why? Which is it? Is the DNC a pointless machine or are its resources and platforms valuable assets that Hogg must have to continue his work?

I believe he should do it from his PAC and not a DNC seat but I kind of hope Hogg’s candidates of choice do run so that they can get their asses handed to them and see that it’s not that easy. There are probably a few Dem Congresspeople that are coasting on being in deep blue districts where anyone with a D by their name would win, but not all that many. Most of the time, incumbents are incumbents because they are popular with voters in their district, and that is not going to change because an overly ambitious young man thinks he has way more national influence than he actually does.

Hilarious how r162 thinks they're dealing a killer blow with that question. Because people think Hogg and others like him can change the DNC so it's no longer useless.

R163 yes, with his brilliant strategy to make Dem politicians waste money on unnecessary primaries. He’s a real forward thinker.

Anyway this is all a moot point. The DNC has demanded a neutrality pledge. He can sign by August or resign from his position and get out of our email inboxes with this shit that we didn’t sign up for.

How dare politicians be expected to fight for the right to represent their constituents rather than just coasting by. If they're as popular with their constituents as you claim, they shouldn't need to spend all that much money at all.

The DNC's only purpose ism to convene a national convention once every four years and support the Party's eventual nominee. But in modern times they also have functioned to contribute to down ballot races. That is where there is an overlap with Hogg, and frankly with other organizations. In the old days when we had campaign finance reform. people were limited to a certain amount for Presidential candidates , Senate, House. But there was no limit on how much you could give to the DNC So maybe you give $3400 to the Presidential nominee, but you give $ 2 million to the Party. The Trouble is there's a lot of competition for those fund raising dollars. So the DNC competes with the Congressional Campaign Finance Committee and the Senate Campaign Finance Committee, and Emily's List, and March for Our Lives, and MoveOn and Indivisible, and Etc. The DNC databases are also hopelessly inadequate. They always have to reinvent the wheel creating the databases they need for GOTV, etc. So being able to access other lists is important. Of course they can buy them. But why buy it if you don't have to.

What the fuck did Patti do to them? I mean she's a bit thick OP but she isn't a hog.

“ I see a dead party”

Edited: sorry I thought this was the do you have a supernatural ability thread.

I think the problem is that a lot of Americans think Trump is a piece of shit, but don't think the Democrats are much better.

It's partially the Democrats' being owned by their donors and not wanting to truly be what they should be and it's part that the American people have no idea how government or the economy or the world works. They think movies are real.

Movies are real. I am watching one right now.

I see you mentioned dem donors as the problem but did mention the T or crime or the border, or prisoners getting tax payer pad for sex changes, or woke, etc etc as potential issues.

The Progressive Resistance at Work

Well done

[quote] I think the problem is that a lot of Americans think Trump is a piece of shit, but don't think the Democrats are much better.

Recent GA poll:

[quote]The latest Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll shows just 35% of registered Georgia voters have a favorable view of the Democratic Party after Trump swept the state and other political battlegrounds in his 2024 return to power. That’s the lowest level of support in nine years of AJC polling.

Every dollar that is spent to primary a Democratic congressional office holder is a dollar not spent fighting the GOP. This is what it boils down to. It's simple. Oh, and don't jockey for money against your own tribe.

r172 So primaries should just be skipped entirely? And as for fighting the GOP - what exactly are the dinosaurs who'll be primaried doing to fight the GOP right now? Sending letters?

[quote] what exactly are the dinosaurs who'll be primaried doing to fight the GOP right now? Sending letters?

To be fair, it should be noted that they’re strongly worded letters.

R170 not that I agree with your perspective but Hogg & Co. want more far leftist candidates. Centrists are who he wants to take out.

[QUOTE]So primaries should just be skipped entirely

JFC, how the fuck do you come up with such adolescent hyperbole? Where did I say that, r173? Of course, primary candidates can raise their own money and continue challenging each other and people are free to donate to whomever they choose. That's what PACs are for.

But a part of the party hierarchy, an officer of the DNC, competing for donor money is just nuts and exudes "We are a weak, and lack unity" Hogg is free to resign and do this independently by starting his own PAC. Why doesn't he? Or start a PAC geared to attacking the GOP rather than attempting to cannibalize our own?

Maxwell Frost is a member of Congress today who is Hogg's friend, and I would hardly describe him as a Leftist.

r176 There are no rules preventing DNC officers doing what he's doing. He has already started his own PAC. The whole motive behind it is that the lazy incumbents are useless against the GOP and new blood is needed. They're hardly going to be competing for money - the donors for the DNC and the donors for his PAC are two distinct circles.

Funny how the only thing centrists think about is money.

[QUOTE]Funny how the only thing centrists think about is money.

Wait, are you saying Hogg doesn't think about money? He's all virue, right, despite chasing cash...

If he was only interested in cash he'd be the perfect establishment Dem. You think there are many billionaire backers for progressives?

If he WASN’T interested in cash he’d raise it for the party instead of paying himself a six figure salary and spending millions in raised funds on “operating expenses” for his PAC.

Did anyone watch the recent short-lived QUEER AS FOLK reboot on Peacock? They had a character based on Hogg who was a ruthless grifter making a media name off being near a mass shooting and at the time I thought it was too harsh but now I believe they were really on to something.

I rarely ever give James Carville credit for anything but him calling Hogg “son” while patiently explaining to the snot nosed brat that it is unethical to use a party position to raise money against that party made me laugh.

They want him because he is good at raising money. Without money you cannot compete. Unless we build a totally different system, money is the "mother's milk" of politics. Unfortunately. But Hogg is also good at organizing and running campaigns for other people. He went down this road for a reason. His anti gun violence campaign was getting no where. In spite of the fact that 90% of all voters want some kind of gun safety reforms, Congress has failed miserably. So he vowed when he first organized his group March for our Lives, that if members of Congress were too cowardly to vote for gun safety regs, his group was going to go after them.The DNC likes him because he has a track record they want to ride on his coattails.

What good is his ability to raise money if he’s raising it to fight Democrats? He should never have run for the vice chair seat in the first place and he should resign now if this is his plan.

[quote]But Hogg is also good at organizing and running campaigns for other people.

Really? Who?

Younger people aren't showing up to vote, are voting GOP, gun control laws haven't happened other than the ill signed by Joe Biden, hardly a Hoff favorite and Florida has gotten redder.

Is this what you call "being good at organizing"? Wow.

Good at organizing the money that goes into his pocket…

r181 Still unable to provide proof for any of your claims, eh? And why should he raise it for a party organisation that he believes is being mis-managed and won't listen to him and others who want change? It's simultaneously hilarious and depressing how after the election there are still people like you acting like the Dems did fine.

r185 So we're adding Florida to the youth vote and gun control as the things that Hogg is expected to solve single-handedly?

[quote]but did mention the T or crime or the border, or prisoners getting tax payer pad for sex changes, or woke, etc etc

No, dear, because all of those are hysterical reactionary lies and bullshit. Assuming it were possible for the Dems to satisfy you on trans issues or the border, the Rs would just make up a new lie.

Obama was a true hawk on the border, deported lots of people and thought that that would get the Rs to come to the table. Worked like a charm, didn't it?

TAXPAYER SEX CHANGES!!!! happened under Trump. But no one seemed to care. Least of all you.

See how that happens?

Put down the scotch.

R187 he’s expected to raise money for the DNC BECAUSE HE IS WORKING FOR IT, which he chose to do. If he does not want to do that, he can resign. No one forced him to run for this seat.

Your coddling of this petulant manchild is tedious. Do you even know or care what candidates he is supporting or is the simple fact of him wasting money on fighting any Dems (no matter who) enough for you to kiss his ass this hard? Just go be a Republican if you want Dems to lose more seats this badly.

R188 id agree. Lies and some truths mixed in with bullshit and nonsense then used to win an election. Or American politics as usual.

The fact that crime border trans nazi woke might be more hysteria, lies and nonsense than not that does not mean anything about Harris and her 0-3 major loss or 2026 or 2028. You ignore them just as Bill Clinton said the Harris campaign ignored him.

Make the argument that the Dems need to be more trans supportive not less as far as future elections. And after trans you can do those illegally in the country.

Crime Trans Border Woke Illegals—- all of these will be major issues or questions in 2028. Where will the Dems stand?

Dems need to stand ten toes down on the fact that we believe in equal human rights, health care according to scientific protocol, and due process. Shrinking from these things doesn’t solve anything but they are larger civil rights issues than “the transgender illegal Haitian immigrants are eating the cats” hysteria whipped up by the GOP. Sometimes it needs to be pointed out that most of these red state voters do not actually know any trans people or even any illegal immigrants in their community and these are so-called “problems” made up by the GOP to distract them from the fact that their benefits are being taken and the economy is being deliberately crashed while prices go higher.

Hogg wants to be effective. The DNC invited him in. He thought he could be more effective if he was part of the DNC. He wants party reforms. I understand what he is getting at. Look. There are a lot of groups out here that are progressive and seek reform. Indivisible and MoveOn are just two of the better known. But there are also organizations committed to the environment, or any number of issue focused organizations. What the DNC did was invite him to run knowing he was one of the most effective Gun Safety lobbyists out here. Time will tell whether it was a wise move on his part, because the truth is, the DNC is nothing much at all. They need him a lot more than he needs them. They are scrambling to stay relevant, and they can't invite him in and then insist he leave his beliefs behind.

r189 You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? The national finance chair and national finance organizations will be surprised to hear how you think the DNC works. But again, it's just all about money for people like you, isn't it?

Rebutting your bullshit arguments - not a single one of which has come with a single piece of evidence to back it up - is hardly coddling.

R191 it was a simple question which you avoided answering, . Should the dems be more or less supportive of the trans or illegals in 2028 as far as the election ? Talking instead about justice for all iis weak.

Lots of posters in this thread who'd rather see Trump as President rather than someone like Bernie or AOC.

If more thought that AOC or Bernie could possibly a national election I bet their support would be better.

I know all but the real dolts figured it out

“ could possibly win a national election”

Is he still claiming he was at that shooting?

The DNC did not “invite him to run”, that is not how it works at all. He chose to do it only to turn around and announce his intention (conveniently only AFTER he got the seat) to spend millions against Dem candidates. Traitorous and fraudulent behavior which shows his deceitful character.

I hope some of those older Dem incumbents (the ones in safely blue seats) do choose not to run. But raising money to primary them is very counterproductive. We need every dime to go against marginal, flippable seats, or seats we hold now by a thin majority.

As to 2028, AOC is bringing me around. She has figured out how to broaden her message and appeal. She's learned a lot from being in Congress. But Bernie (I know, too old anyway) remains a blowhard, and E. Warren is a nagging school marm with little personal appeal. Mayor Pete is a masterful TV guest, even on Fox News, but he is very self-programmed. Afraid to come out at Harvard? HARVARD, Class of 2004. How ridiculous that seems to those of us who were very out in the 1970s.

R200 no way am I going to criticize anyone about how and when they come out. Pete is fully out. He's brilliant a capable and I love to watch him explain the issues. He does a beautiful job. I think as the pubic becomes more familiar with him he is going to be a great candidate and a wonderful POTUS.

R201 you don't run for that job unless you have lined up support from the people who vote. I am extremely familiar with the structure of the DNC and the State party chairs who feed into it and the State central committees who elect the state party chairs. Over time the whole thing becomes very inbred. It is no easy task to shake things up and make them more effective. I can recall back in the 1980 after Reagan got elected, some Centrist Dem governors formed the Democratic Leadership Council to create a "third way" to appeal to voters because things were so polarized and more conservative Dems deserted the party for Reagan.

The DLC wanted to create a more hospitable environment for the Right leaning Moderates. Dukakis, Clinton and a few other Democratic party leaders and elected officials joined the group. Their goal was to raise money and support more "electable" candidates at all levels. Bill Clinton was their most obvious success. But it did not hurt the party. My point is that the DNC is forever and different factions always seek to effect changes in the interest of making the party more appealing more relevant and more effective in developing candidates and getting them elected. The truth is identifying with the party is less important than it was back in the days of FDR, JFK, LBJ, etc.

The Party chair and his deputies work with state parties and with special elections and campaigns all the time, and there is a lot of back room dealing to determine who should run for open seats or who should be pressured to retire. And who ought to get primaried. Getting primaried is not as spontaneous as it may look. Sometimes the party leadership simply stands back and lets it happen and at other times they will fully and openly support the challenger. I was happy to see Hogg get elected and I hope he can be effective. I know this. If he decides to go back out here on his own he will still be a force.

If AOC chooses to run in 2028, she'll flop in the primaries. There are still plenty of Dems in various states who aren't going to vote for a progressive.

R203 that would ignore the very strong possibility of crossover voting. Republicans love to chose their opponent.

AOC is known in New York as "All Out Crazy." Too far Left for most Democrats.

[quote] Republicans love to chose their opponent.

Since 2016 it’s largely been the Democrats putting money in to influence the Republican primaries that has been reported by the press. In the case of AOC, I think the Republicans would just stand back and watch it happen. She has a high level of support and doesn’t require any boosting. Also, the Republicans will be having their own primaries and certainly with stricter voting procedures, people can’t vote in both the Republican and Democratic presidential primary in their state.

Moot point. The base hates Bernie and AOC will be tainted by association until he has left office and taken the Bernie Bros with him. Maybe she could run in a future year, but not in 2028, and she is smart enough not to fuck up her career by trying.

Hogg is capitalizing on what's already going on: a grassroots movement weeding out the older incumbents who take advantage of their "safe district" status to do the bare minimum (if that) for their constituents. It's actually a smart idea, considering that those will be the people most motivated to vote in the primaries - just like how MAGAts did so in taking over the GOP.

I find the efforts of Bernie and AOC to be genuine and good for the party. This entire tour is to help people get over the moping of losing 2024, and push for much-needed new leadership in the party. Until maybe two weeks ago, Schumer was still in doom spiral mode, moping around about how they can't do anything. Now he's moved on to "strongly-worded letters", which is still bs, but also not pushing us all into his downward spiral.

So I'm happy and supportive of people like Hogg, Bernie, and AOC who are pushing for a reevaluation in the party of leadership quality, core values, and ability to adapt to changes. I think they'll do more to energize midterm turnout than Schumer or any of the old establishment crows with a new, young, fresh crop of candidates.

Hogg, Bernie, AOC

THE Democratic resistance at work.

Is Hogg even pals with Bernie and AOC? I can't see Hogg wanting to associate with Bernie if he knew Bernie's history on gun control/reform.

[quote]AOC is known in New York as "All Out Crazy."

No she isn't. That's a stupid lie and frankly not very clever.

Always On Camera is a better nickname for her.

She’s good with the media and I appreciate her for what she is. She is not a major party leader yet, though, she has not proven herself able to pass legislation or build a coalition, and it’s laughable to me that some people are touting her as a potential 2028 presidential candidate when she couldn’t even get enough votes from her own party to get on the House Oversight Committee. She would crash and burn in a primary.

“Am on cue”

That would make no sense at all.

“A ornery cunt’ would not be correct grammar wise I bet. No matter she will never ever be president and I happen to like her.

Contrary to what you all are saying, the joke in NYC politics for years has been "the most dangerous place in the world is in between Chuck Schumer and a camera"

Please let's be smarter when it comes to all the tricks and strategies the Right employ to suppress the vote. Building up someone who has a polarizing effect like a Bernie. Attempting to discourage voters by getting their hopes up and by manipulating them, etc. is a deliberate strategy. And they're aided and abetted by the corporate media. Right now, it's laughable to me that all the media and their pundits are decrying the meltdown of the stock markets and the weakened economy, and the tariff disasters, etc. and using Biden's economy as the standard against which this shit show is measured.

They all trashed the Biden economy, and convinced people that a recession was coming "any minute now" and it never materialized, and now suddenly they are telling people the economy was so much stronger under Biden. Yeah. They don't seem to realize not all of us are brain dead. The fucking media was using GOP talking points to promote the "disastrous policies" of Biden/ Janet Yellen and now their corporate boards and bosses are pissing themselves as they watch the turmoil in the markets.

I cannot believe so many people are so stupid and so easy to scare with lies and bullshit. We need to get out here and keep reminding people of the truth. I'm glad Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Tim Walz and others are out here raising hell and energizing people. IMO, it won't matter so much who we run as a candidate if we can't gain some control over messaging. A first step is educating voters, repeatedly, of how the Right will come after us.

Chuck is the one I wish would stay off camera. He is an astute politician but terrible communicator.

How is he astute? He's a Democratic leader and the Dems are in the shitter. He's co-responsible for the mess we're in. Kamala ran a Chuck-approved campaign (kitchen table issues, reach out to Republicans) and lost.

Schumer didn't cause Kamala to lose, Biden did. What she accomplished in just roughly 100 days was a miracle. She could have overcome Elon's money, and the corporate media's collusion with Trump if she'd had the time.

I don’t know about that. She was a great candidate and did as well as anyone could have, but if Biden hadn’t run at all Bernie would have and we would have had another destructive primary that weakened the candidate. It would have been “Killer Kamala” and “Kop Kamala” all year. Not that the far left didn’t fuck us anyway but it would’ve been even worse with their Vermont Messiah at the helm.

Always the far left to blame isn't it? Remind us how that centrist campaign worked out for you? If a candidate is weakened by a primary they shouldn't be the candidate.

R220 or Bernie could stop running as a Dem when he isn’t one. I invite Democratic primaries when the people who are running are actually Democrats.

r221 Oh please, if he ran as a third party you'd whine about that too. Anything to prevent having to face up to the facts.

R222 I’d actually like to see him try but he won’t. He’d have to bankroll himself more and he doesn’t like to waste his own money.

r223 As opposed to all the other candidates who put their own money into their campaigns? It's hilarious the bullshit you spout trying to attack progressives.

Who is Hogg even backing? The only one I’ve heard is Hill Harper vs. Elissa Slotkin and in her district Slotkin is probably going to win.

LOL> Elissa Slotkin is now a United States Senator from Michigan, taking Debbie Stabenow's seat when she retired. There's another important Senate Race coming up in Michigan in 2026, when Democrat Gary Peters retires.

We need to focus on two things right now. Study voter behavior and messaging. Now the Republicans are fortunate to have adjacent groups out here promoting their talking points. For example, I saw TV ads for Big Pharma and for Energy related subjects and every single one of them found a way to mention inflation. And this was even before inflation was any kind of issue. It was in 2022 and 2023. Constantly. Ads that discussed better insurance rates mentioned inflation. Ads that advertised groceries mentioned inflation. etc. The point is their messaging crosses all kinds of platforms and so called "non partisan" avenues. They have a multifaceted strategy and hit voters with their issues. Brief, simple messaging on issues. So by the time the real political ads go on the air, the groundwork is done and they are already half the way home. I think it is important for us to break down and analyze how mainstream news media and lobbying groups work in tandem with the Republicans. We have to learn voter behavior so we can inoculate voters to some degree, and go on the offensive with our own information barrage. Also we focus too much on "do the right thing" advertising when we ought to be quantifying their policies to make sure voters know how it will hit them. Also, our ads ought to have some humor in them. In Georgia, where I am, Senator Raphael Warnock's first Senate campaign used a lot of humor in their ads and it really worked.