Bold and the Beautiful, Part IV: The Same Old Hope

Excellent synopsis! You summed things up brilliantly. You should take over as HW. This was better written that the show itself.

Which character was once thought to have been eaten by a shark? Steffi?

R2, I remember that, but can’t remember if it was Steffi or Phoebe.

[quote]Which character was once thought to have been eaten by a shark? Steffi?

Hey, don't forget about me. A bear ate one of my toes!

Scott Cliffton talks about Liam's brain tumor storyline.

Is Liam going to get Monaco'd? This could set the stage for his return as Dillon Quartermaine on General Hospital (more like General Mafia).

Nice little remake of the series' first scene on today's episode.

Spencer Pratt got fat, and his wife can't sing. Next.

Yeah, Spencer Pratt is not hot.

Anyway, at least B & B did an episode about putting on a fashion show today. For a show based on the fashion industry we don't get to see a lot of it at work.

How much did they spend for Heidi's "music?" Five cents?

Granny Brooke looked ridiculous in that white wedding gown.

So, the SHOUT! TV streaming app has a B&B channel, and they must've just gotten started because they are airing season 1 (episode 87, currently). There was some serious man candy on back then.

R11 Bell-Phillip has it's own youtube channel where they started loading every episode of B&B from Day 1 (1987) -- free, with no geo-restrictions.

. They started this project about 3-4 years ago, and last I looked, they're up to 2004.

Gotta hand it to the Bell kids who own Bell-Phillip now. They're extending and promoting their parents' legacy with this project.

First episode is at the link, so just follow and subscribe to the channel associated with the video: boldandbeautiful

So the big stars at the fashion show were Heidi and Spencer and a DA from Genoa City, Wisconsin?

"Remy" will be shirtless on Grey's Anatomy tonight.

Thanks, R14.

Hopefully we will see more of Remy on B&B soon.

Carter fucks Erics wife Quinn. Carter steals the company. Then Carter is allowed to stay at Forresters? Seriously?

How will the show explain Nicks return but not his (and Brookes) son? Story link........I liked Nick. But they ruined his character with the Bridget pairing. And he isn't going to have any chemistry with anorexic Taylor either.

R16 Even Eric has a think for Carter's BBC and still fantasizes about him when Donna's pegging him with her 12" black destroyer.

Why is Liam wearing that stupid stocking cap?

He has a brain tumor not a head cold.

R19, it is supposedly because he is trying to hide the evidence of his brain injury from Hope, Bill, etc.

Liam hit his head. He hasn't had brain surgery. I agree; it looks so stupid. I cant stand it when he's on screen with his scraggly beard and that stupid stocking.

It's like 80 degrees in L.A. That stoopid sock on his head should raise even more questions.

He should put a dunce hat on.

Well, if there were any gays in LA, they likely would advise Liam about a different look. Perhaps just a baseball cap.

But there are no gays in the Los Angeles of B&B.

So, no luck there. Guess Liam will just continue looking stupid with a stocking on his head.

I'd suggest B&B build another celebutard appearance around Liam's cover up. He could phone Caitlyn Jenner and ask who does her extensions, then go in and have some ropes tied to the top of his head to cover his entire skull with a mullet.

Liam is doing his best impersonation of Tom Hanks from Philadelphia.

I am so over that fucking bonnet on Liam's head.

A long sniff of Daphne’s perfume will save Liam

Can't Liam at least change it up a bit? He's wearing the same stoopid stocking cap over and over. pee-ew

At the very least he could have a few more colors and fabric choices. Or as suggested above, switch it up to a baseball cap.

I might suggest going with a classic soap turban.

Liam looks like a fucking idiot.

It's been the same day on B&B for the past two weeks.

BB has crossed into the "Fatal Disease but you're going to live" territory.

2023 = Eric. 2024 = Taylor. 2025 = Liam.

WTF? Has Will even taken off his shirt yet?

R30, yes, B&B has been very repetitive over the past 2 weeks. The same basic dialogue being spouted every day by Liam, Hope, Finn, Steffy, Carter, Daphne, etc.

R31, there was a brief glimpse of part of Will's chest in a fantasy sequence of Luna's a couple of weeks ago, but that's it so far. Crew is definitely not as muscular as his father Joshua was at that age, so maybe he is shyer about taking his shirt off.

Christian Weissmann's name was in the closing credits today, which presumably means Remy will be appearing again soon.

So with that hairdo, Will appears to be going for the Carol Brady Mullet look?

Watch out! Crazy Luna has a gun!!!

R10 It's fascinating to watch the 1st season. It's much more of a socioeconomic juxtaposition between the classes, with the poor Logans taking up about half the screen time. Flannery is surprisingly feminine and elegant in the first season; her rivalry with Brooke does not start until halfway through season 2.

Flannery was quite beautiful in the first 3 seasons of BOLD. She had a few deepish lines around her eyes from episode 1, but her hair was soft, and her complexion was very nice. Her figure still had a good shape to it.

About halfway through season 4, when Brooke became her main romantic rival, and Katherine Kelly Lang had a beauty few women could hold a candle to during that era - she just kind of gave up.

I like that Sheila is the one trying to control the crazy lunatic. Talk about a plot twist. And how difficult is it to drug Will and fuck him and then get knocked up? It's a tradition in the Carter Family. Just ask Scott Grainger (R.I.P) or Daniel Romalotti.

R38, yeah, Will has been on the show for almost a year now and hasn't had sex once.

Will should be so horned up that even Remy might have a shot.

[quote]Bell-Phillip has it's own youtube channel where they started loading every episode of B&B from Day 1 (1987) -- free, with no geo-restrictions. They started this project about 3-4 years ago, and last I looked, they're up to 2004.

That's everything, excluding seasons 9 and 10, which have not been uploaded due the streaming rights being owned by Dutch platform Videoland.

Season 10 is there.

Streaming rights usually expire. I see that message for content at Amazon Prime from time to time. They'll probably add them eventually.

I have been anticipating Season 9 when Sheila comes out of the mental hospital after drinking poison, and is seemingly reformed at first. This brings us to season 10 and the introduction of the girl from Furnace Creek: Amber Less. I consider awful Amber to be the downfall of the show leading into the 2000s. The one bright spot in her story is her trailer trash mommie, Tawny Moore is played wonderfully by Andrea Evans.

R43 = Me too. I believe those Sheila episodes also involved Sheilas financial settlement to divorce Eric. She took the divorce check and bought her cute little house when she got out of the hospital. Also Kin Shriner was in those episodes. Mike returned and Maggie came to town. Also Brookes doctor turned up dead and left a letter that she rigged Bridgets paternity after a bribe from Brooke.

In 1997, Amber meets Sheila, who has run away to Death Valley and now works as a waitress at the Furnace Creek diner where Amber also works. Sheila has recently given baby Mary away for adoption to James and Maggie, but she is mentally ill and is still lactating, so she begins secretly freezing expressed milk in the hopes of one day being reunited with the baby.

Sheila sees Amber as a way of getting to the Forresters and getting her baby back, so she convinces Amber to become a babysitter for pre-teens Rick and Briget Forrester. Rick becomes SORASed shortly after meeting Amber, and is now played by hunky older teen Jacob Young.

The two start a sexual relationship after which Brooke, having placed her trust in Amber, sees as a betrayal.

Brooke and Amber have a confrontation and Brooke behaves in a very Stephanie-esque way and calls a Amber a whore.

R45 and f I did not know better, I would almost swear KKL ad-libbed the whore remark to Amber, as in "you really ARE a little whore", the way KKL so casually added it to the scene.

[bold] Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, June 9:[/bold]

Sheila makes a plea to Poppy about Luna.

Not knowing her treacherous plan, Remy unwittingly helps Luna.

[bold]Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, June 10:[/bold]

Remy is stunned when Luna confesses why she has a vendetta against Steffy.

Luna thinks of Steffy as the only thing between her and her happiness.

[bold]Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, June 11:[/bold]

Luna’s energy shifts to malice when Finn holds his ground.

Hope urges Liam to share his diagnosis with everybody.

[bold]Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, June 12:[/bold]

Bill makes a confession to Li.

Luna surprises Steffy in her own home.

[bold]Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, June 13:[/bold]

Hope comforts Brooke, who is now without Ridge, Hope or Beth.

Steffy doesn’t realize that she is clearly in danger.

[bold] Jack Wagner returns Friday (June 13th). [/bold]

Yay! Queer Remy!!!

Was Sheila raped by the other women while in Prison? I seem to remember this was part of her redemption arc, she briefly found solace in a higher power and becoming a better person.

R49....Yeah. I think she was. That was part of her return storyline.

After taping at Television City during its entire run, B&B is moving to another studio.

Crazy Luna is carrying this show!

R52 = She really is. She is playing the storyline, no matter how idiotic the scripts are...... ...LINK--->>Article from some queen bitching about Luna.....Will can't get laid and LUNA is the problem with the show?..No one believes Liam is going to die, which is exactly why nobody cares about his tumor....[bold] RUMORMILL [/bold] says Jack Wagners return might only be short term...

R50 Sheila saved Stephanie's life in jail in 1997, which was also part of her return.

Kimberlin was around 35 when she returned, and Entertainment Tonight ran the news as a cover story. Usually, only Lucci, Hall, Slezak or a minuscule group of other soap actors got that kind of treatment in the mainstream press, but her return was a ratings bonanza.

If William Bell was still with us he would be writing Luna off and have her show up in Genoa City as Michael Baldwins new temp secretary. Luna sets her sights on Kyle while deflecting Laurens suspicion. We would have months (years?) of stories.

^That would be a great way to get rid of the useless Claire^

What did conservative Kimberlin think about having to pose with 2 gays on a magazine cover?

R51 I thought those Forrester sets had really shrunk down over the years, but if those pictures are recent, the living room set has exactly the same dimensions and nearly identical contents as it did in 1987.

The main part of the Forrester home is intact but they got rid of a lot of sets like the large dining room. They also ditched the kitchen set. Ridge and Taylors original house (now Bills home) has definitely shrunk. I thought I read somewhere that the Forrester Home was a replica of William and Lee Bells home and used as the exterior shots. Could be wrong.

At least on of the sets dates back to the days of Capitol, I believe.

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R58 If you've never seen this video before, it's how they put together the B&B sets at Stage 31, Television City. Stage 31 is basically a 13,370 ft square.

[quote] I thought I read somewhere that the Forrester Home was a replica of William and Lee Bells home and used as the exterior shots.

The main set of the Forrester home may be in the classic California-Meditteranean style of Bill and Lee's old home, but the footprint of the set itself is basically a replica of the same floorplan that Sy Tomashoff came up with when he created Collinwood for Dark Shadows. The entry, the foyer, the staircase w/ catwalk are all in the same position. Even the little door that was said to lead to the kitchen where Mrs. Johnson and Maria the maid! entered from are the same. The main difference in the living room is that the fireplaces in the two sets are on opposite walls of the room.

As for Tthe Bells' real home in Beverly Hills, it was an expansive one-story. I think only one of the guest houses had a second floor.

I don't watch B&B regularly, but I do recall seeing one exterior shot where they showed that very "distinctive" (fuggo) bronze statue that was in The Bells' actual courtyard. Made me laugh ... probably a "gift" from their art-loving daughter-in-law, Maria .. lol.

Any exterior shots the show has of Bill and Lee's old house will have to suffice for future needs. When The Baby Bells sold the old homestead a few years ago, new owner, LeBron James, subsequently took steps to demolish the place and is still in the process of building a HUGE mansion on the promontory.

You can still see some interior photos of the old place when it sold for $36.75 million.

I can't say anything bad about Brad Bell and the Bells after they decided to (eventually) upload basically all of B&B for free on YouTube.

Yet, the dumbasses at Sony will immediately try and take down a one minute clip of anything from Y&R. I want to see all of 1970s Y&R and Sony won't allow it.

Brad Bell stole my miney!

If I recall correctly, the Forrester Creations office set is a relic from the days of occupying that same studio. I believe it was Sam Clegg's office on Capitol.

R43 Adrienne Frantz was not a bad actress at all, but Amber WAS a humorless little skank. Andrea Evans wrote the book on how to make a bad girl extremely likable, Brooke and Amber should have taken copious amounts of notes. I wish Andrea had stayed on the show longer.

R67....Tina Lord was everything for me on OLTL. So I loved her on BB too.

The day Stephanie made a mortal enemy.

Brooke, slut from the valley had no intentions of letting Steph walk all over her like she did with her mother Beth.

Revenge dick is the tastiest dick.

Broadway musical show tunes Thorne ...

The show has spent a lot of time building up this storyline over the past few weeks of Luna wanting to eliminate Steffy and showing Luna brandishing her gun.

Presumably the idea is to make the audience think that Luna is going to shoot Steffy but that the twist will be that Luna ends up shooting someone else instead?

Sounds like someone else will shoot Steff

Who might that be?

R73 should be Liam, if Brad Bell had any guts. I don’t think Clifton is leaving, imo, but the character has outlived his usefulness. It’d be perfect for Liam to go out saving Steffy, but unfortunately we will be subjected to probably another few months of Liam’s already boring cancer saga.

Anything is better than having to watch Brooke throw her decrepit snatch at Ridge for the five millionth time, or Dope and Carter making goo-goo eyes at each other.

[bold] In case you missed it-----> [/bold] Tracey Bregman talks about her Bold and Beautiful days, who slapped her the hardest, and working with Phyllis Diller and Darlene Connelly.

People are noticing Deacons weight loss. I hope he is okay.

Kanan's been on a weight loss kick for awhile now. I think he said he'd dropped over 50lbs at one point. Sometimes when people begin to get up there in age, weight loss can affect how one's face and throat look. Then add in some cosmetic work, like fillers and eye-jobs, and they might begin to look 'different.' And besides the healthy lifestyle he promotes to obtain weight loss, he could have had some help with one of those weight loss drugs.

Wegovy.

When he was on GH, they wrote in fat jokes related to his character. Sean may have taken that to heart.

Hunter Tylo's first episode as Caroline's oncologist, Taylor, is episode 804.

What is interesting is that if you skip back a few episodes (to eps.782 and 795), Caroline sees a different cancer doctor in the same office who runs her tests, "Dr. Christina D'Angelo", played by General Hospital actress Jane Higginson, also a petite brunette with a resemblance to Hunter.

The characters switch with no explanation.

Good for Jack Wagner for not going the plastic surgery route. He looks every bit of his age, but I like it.

Sixty-three-year-old KKL should win a Daytime Emmy just for having to do these never-ending lingerie scenes with a straight face.

I'm going to sue the show for eyeball abuse.

R82 I know she and her character became quite unpopular later on, but Hunter was SO good as Taylor in the first few years. It was a lucky break that they were able to cast a woman as beautiful as Joanna Johnson, as Joanna was voluntarily being written out of the show. It was fortunate for Hunter, too, as she had been in several shows already but had never clicked in any role.

How is Luna Sheila's granddaughter? I must have missed that.

R87 Because Finn is Sheila's son from an affair she had with his father, "Jack Finnegan," and Lunatic is Finn's daughter from having hooked up with his (non-bio) aunt, Poppy Nozawa, when he was a teenager.

I STILL say it would have been awesome if Sheila had a drunken one night stand with THORNE, making Finn a Forrester. For some reason the show keeps KB out of the Forrester Universe (with the exception of Steffy). Very disappointing.

As someone posted above, the Luna storyline is the only interesting thing about the show right now.

The Brooke/Ridge/Taylor perpetual love triangle is probably only of interest to diehard fans anymore.

The Daphne storyline with Carter fizzled out and she has gone back to France.

Will (Crew Morrow) has been on the show for nearly a year and rarely gets anything interesting to do.

So the only thing keeping it interesting is Crazy Luna.

Not a prude but I find it exhausting and utterly nauseating when women live vicariously through Ridge and Brooke and fangirl the fuck put on them on practically Taylor Swift levels.

They make it out to be a Hallmark fairytale romance with the two of them resembling the cover of a Harlequin novel and saying they are destined for each other.

While conveniently forgetting or just outright ignoring the fact Brooke's entitled, controlling, obsessive and a professional perpetual victim and Ridge can't make up his damn mind. The cognitive dissonance of it all. Revisionist history romanticizing a pair of homewreckers.

Same exact shit on Y&R only with a pair of imperious malignant cluster B narcissists named Victor and Nikki.

Not to mention it's damn near impossible to use flashbacks of Brooke and Ridge together these days without clever heavy editing (why not deep fake Thorsten's face over Ron's?) like they did that one time when Ridge's face was completely obscured when those two took yet another rehashed trip down memory lane.

I feel like they should bring back Thorne, Felicia, Kristen, Rick, Amber, Jack, Jackie, Whip, Pam, Donna and God knows who else and expand to an hour.

Because it really started to suck when a ton of people left over 10 years ago.

Good god, that musical montage of Brooke and Nick down memory lane was peak cringe.

R92.....it really was bad. Since the show is rewriting Brookes history with her "son" Jack---who she hasn't mentioned in decades---I wonder if the show will ignore Ridges paternity? A shame Jackie isn't back. She was one of Deacons many exes and seeing her go up against Sheila might have been fun.

Watching the end credits one day this week, I noticed that Matthew Atkinson (Thomas) and Joshua Hoffman (RJ) are still listed as being part of the cast, even though neither has been seen on screen in 9+ months.

Also noticed that Heather Tom was listed as one of the show's scriptwriters. I knew she had written some scripts for the show in the past but didn't realize she was doing it again.

R94, yeah, Heather Tom seems to be branching out into writing some of the episodes these days. Her character doesn't get much to do at the moment, so she might as well write, too.

I noticed that in the previews for this week's upcoming episodes that they show Will telling Luna that he has broken up with Electra and kissing Luna, but I assume there will be a twist/trick to that.

WILL gets laid? That is a plot twist. Even one of the soap writers (can't remember which) said a Luna/Will hookup would be the ultimate payback for Bill getting her free. This clown won't even do shirtless scenes. Fuck him.

R96, yeah, I'm not sure why Crew Morrow hasn't done a proper shirtless scene after nearly a year on the show. His father was doing them all the time at his age. Maybe it's because Crew doesn't have as impressive a physique as his Dad did at 19/20?

Is Crew of the homosex persuasion?

Monday's episode didn't get broadcast because of the Breaking News special coverage CBS gave the latest chaos in Iran.

JFC. Jack Wagner can barely move his face!

HDTV is not kind to Wagner

Jack Wagner looks AWFUL! All I Need, is just a little more fillers.

The montage of Nick and Brooke did neither any favors, beyond reminding us of their (long gone) hotter days. While I was glad to see ANYONE come along to help change the endless Brooke/Ridge/Taylor triangle---I'm not sure Nick is it. This Liam medical stupidity---this idiot isn't dying. Why Taylor OR Brooke would ever want to marry a mediocre loser like Ridge is beyond imagination. This show really needs something to shake it up. There was time when Luna would have gotten knocked up by a drugged Will and BLACKMAILED Bill into marriage. But of course that would be too interesting and Will isn't into sex.

R103, yeah, as I predicted above at R95, Will is just pretending to want Luna in order to get dirt for Steffy, Finn & the Police Chief.

It doesn't look like anything sexual will happen between Will & Luna, but at least we finally got an overdue look at Crew Morrow's chest when he was wired up by the Police.

Does Luna have her cage ready for Will?

Will doing to Luna the exact same shit his dad did to her grandmother last year. They need to stop rehashing storylines. It's already bad enough with Ridge, Brooke and Taylor.

Even the feud between Jill and Katherine on Y&R ended for good after 32 years and they remained friends until Katherine's death in 2013.

If they were seeking to get dirt on Remy instead of Luna, would Will volunteer to go gay for pay? .. Now that would be interesting!

I agree, R107. The show doesn't give Remy enough to do.

Shirtless screencaps from Wednesday's episode:

Crew is a terrible actor. Cringeworthy.

The way this show reuses storylines, Next Year Will is going to have a brain tumor that never kills him.

It’s disgusting that Pervertsuds from SON, who’s 60!! Is fawning over Crew Morrow. Absolutely disgusting that old grampas are whacking their nubs to Josh Morrow’s son.

R114 There are people on DL around the same age doing the same shit!

What's really disgusting is that Crew Morrow isn't even that hot!

R114, what is your problem? First, not all of us here are that old. Second, Crew Morrow is 20 and is legal.

When 65 year old grampas rub their little stubs to pics of Crew Morrow and brag about it, that’s disgusting.

[Quote]When 65 year old grampas rub their little stubs to pics of Crew Morrow and brag about it, that’s disgusting.

Because it's Crew Morrow and his head full of giant teeth or because it's a twenty-year old man?

I forgot John Mccook hasn’t been on in awhile. He’s aging. Looks like he has hip surgery.

I noticed that in Tuesday's episode Luna was wearing the green & black number that she wore in the Summer of 2024 when she kept Steffy locked in a cage.

The sign of things to come?