So how will the dissolution of gay marriage go down?

Let's make Scott Bessent the test case.

In Colorado they're introducing a bill to overturn a ban on gay marriage.

I want to dissolve those gays at the OP for their hair.

Dissolving gays? I can help with that…

Let's hear from Trump's right-wing whacko homo supporters: Scott Bessent, Ric Grenell and Peter Thiel.

Peter Thiel is never getting married.

Ass penetration but asset protection.

🎵 I’m goin’ DOWNNNNN

OP is a bitter tranny.

Trannys are going to be so expensive to repair now with these tariffs. Thanks Biden!

No one has said anything about gay people, OP. Come out of your shell

I'm not convinced that marriage equally will or will not be terminated. If it is, I suspect it would involve same-sex marriage going forward. It would be way too complicated to nullify marriages that were legally performed. If Trump is successful in eliminating birthright citizenship based on soil, the same thing applies. I could see it affecting people going forward, but it's doubtful that people born in the US 20 years ago would suddenly become non-citizens. Nothing is for certain these days.

The problem with having some gays married while others can’t—it makes no sense legally.

That was one of the reasons cited by SCOTUS when legalized gay marriage.

Gay marriage is not going anywhere. There is no argument against gay marriage without using the Bible and sodomy laws. Trump and Project 25 aren’t omnipotent.

[Quote] Gay marriage is not going anywhere. There is no argument against gay marriage without using the Bible and sodomy laws.

Two Supreme Court justices have said there is no right to gay marriage

R14 can’t count. Sad.

Heavy backlash.

It would end up being, "going forward."

Although think the result they'll go for is returning it to the states.

I also don't think it's at the top of their list at the moment.

Simple. You are not married anymore. The federal government will not recognize your marriage. In California, or other states, will will be "Married". Other states they will tell you to tear up your certificate.

It's pollyanna to think that marriage equality survives this SCOTUS. Estimates I've heard from people in the know is the end will come in June 2026. The only good news is that marriages on the books will survive at the Federal level (meaning married gays will probably still be able to file jointly, and have some inheritance rights when it comes to social security and pensions) but the real battles and losses will, of course, be at the state level and recognition of your marriage in any given locale. No business will suffer any consequence of denying a gay couple any service. Some states will make gay marriage so difficult that it will be effectively banned.

This is a major loss for the gay community.

R15, I think R14 is referencing that both Alito and Thomas have openly said that they thought Obergefell was decided incorrectly, and Thomas went so far as to blatantly call for an opportunity to reverse it in his Dobbs opinion. The only question is whether the decision will be 6-3 or 5-4; I could see Roberts siding with the liberals, but only if marriage equality falls, which between the Handmaiden, Beer Boy and the dude sitting in Merrick Garland's seat (oh, that he had been seated on the Court and we'd gotten a real AG instead, but that's a rant for another thread), is assured.

R11 sounds like everyone in 2017 who said “it’ll be fine… there are checks and balances in place…”

Elon musk has access to the treasury department mainframe. We have no recourse left. They’re coming for us.

R20, it feels like it's now totally Game Over - he has access to everything everywhere in the US. Every last motherfucking thing. I'm just waiting for us to have to surrender all of our money so he can get to fucking Mars ahead of 2032.

I agree it would most likely be a case of Grandfathering those of us married and jointly with those who come after. My fear is that it is gonna also trigger serious repercussions for those of us who are already married. I also worry that will go full root cause and yank sodomy back to because this younger lot is loud and showy and wanna be as Paleochristian as Possible.

If those sick fucks on the USSC could rationalize ending the right to abortion then anything is possible.

[quote] This is a major loss for the gay community.

How can something that hasn’t happened be a major loss?

As I've said before, the most likely situation is that the Supremes do as they did in Dobbs. They might eave gay marriage up to the states. Some states will forbid it, but the most they can do is forbid OFFICIATING at weddings in their own states. There are laws in place that dictate that a marriage valid in one state must be treated as valid in another. This was the interpretation of the law that ended miscegenation laws in southern states. It was Loving vs. Virginia that was used as the basis for Oberfelder. Clarence Thomas is married to a white woman. If he invalidates the argument in Oberfelder, he is also invalidating recognition of his own marriage.

But of course, just as with Dobbs, there is expense and inconvenience involved in getting married in another state. Moreover, with Dobbs we are seeing lawsuits now in abortion-forbidding states trying to prosecute doctors in other states who sent medications through the mail. So some crazy religious state might try to say that traveling to another state to get a gay marriage is illegal. (As Idaho has done with abortion).

Oh, get your heads out of your asses! If it wasn't "way too complicated" to end Roe, it won't be too complicated to dissolve marriages.

We're at war, and too many in our community want to believe it's just a spat, and that all will be back to normal in the morning...

r25, you say it's about officiating at weddings. There are certain churches, such as the Metropolitan Community Church, that perform same-sex weddings. So wouldn't that be an example of the State preventing a state from expressing its First Amendment rights? Can you imagine a state telling a Baptist or a Catholic church what they can and cannot do in their churches?

R20 “it’ll be fine… there are checks and balances in place…”

I have read my reply 11 over 3 times and still have no idea how you are in any way interpreting that reply as quoted above. Please reread it.

Roe will always be complicated because no one can say with certainty when life begins. The right to life, the pursuit of happiness will always trump a woman's right over her body to conservative justices. Marriage is between two consenting adults. Homosexuality is no longer diagnosed as a mental disorder. Trust me, even Clarence coon ass voting against it, the majority of the justices are going to uphold Obergefell.

R11 my comment implies that you are very naive if you Akon think anyone is grandfathered into anything.

Is the trans population grandfathered into anything?

We’ll be lucky to avoid internment camps.

R20, R30 Let's reread the beginning and ending of my post:

"I'm not convinced that marriage equally WILL or WILL NOT be terminated." "If it is, I SUSPECT it would involve same-sex marriage going forward." "NOTHING IS CERTAIN these days."

I certainly did not impy that "it will be fine." You seem to be implying that you know the future. Where did you get your crystal ball?

Still reads as Pollyanna to me. Nothing will be grandfathered.

Don’t need a crystal ball to see what’s in front of our face.

Enjoy having your head in the sand.

No. I don't have my head in the sand. You seem to have your head up your ass!

Tranny troll thread.

I've never counted on same-sex marriage becoming the rule of the land. Sorry, but I'm old and in a Red State, and lived through too much. I've made sure to provide for my former partner financially in "normal" ways. I foresee it becoming a "States Rights" issue, and disappearing for me.

[bold]They'll go the STATES RIGHTS avenue like they did with abortion[/bold]

Some states gays will have marriage rights, others won't -- And if you're married in your state and travel to another for vacation or business, you ain't got no marriage rights as soon as you cross the state line

Then they'll figure ways to end as many Federal rights as they can. Like having the Fed not recognize same sex marriage for employees or contractors

[bold]It will be a clusterfuck but, in case you haven't noticed, they don't care about clusterfucks[/bold]

It's like another Dred Scott case. You are married in one state with all rights of marriage, including healthcare decision. You drive to another state, and suddenly those rights just vanish.

Congress would have to repeal the rule that states have to recognize marriages in all states, including gay marriages. That's another (but not impossible) hurdle to climb--unless SCOTUS goes all out and claims any gay marriage is unconstitutional--using some stupid legal theory like originalism. The founding fathers didn't think about gay marriage so it can't exist now

R11 you're a dolt going forward

[quote]Southern Baptists overwhelmingly endorsed a ban on gay marriage — including a call for a reversal of the US Supreme Court’s 10-year-old precedent legalizing it nationwide.

[quote]They also called for legislators to curtail sports betting and to support policies that promote childbearing.

R40 just started another thread on this today.

And r41? Why would that be less desirable at a gay site than your homophobia?

Rereading this thread I wonder if some of the posters have changed their minds in the last couple of months. Trump and his minions have proven that they respect no laws or traditions but their own. There is no level that they won't sink to. They absolutely love to disrupt people's lives and create havoc wherever possible.

R43, see r41.

I still don't think there are currently the votes on the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell because Kavanaugh, Roberts, and maybe Barrett are concerned about appearances and the bigger picture, but if everything in this country starts to collapse due to Trump, they might just go for it because why the hell not (in their view).

Why would conservatives want the gays to be living in sin again?

It's next. Think about it.

Again and again people insist that things will be okay because ___________, just like they did before Roe v. Wade fell. People, you really need to wake up and deal with the reality that Trump and his ilk truly are evil and care absolutely nothing about the consequences of their actions. They will do whatever it takes to gain power or put down those who aren't on their side.

R48 furiously jerking off his front hole over the idea of gays being under attack. Piss off.

I'd tell you to go fuck yourself, R49, but your head is so far up your ass you'd break your own nose (even with that puny cocklet).

Anyone who thinks gays and gay marriage are safe is a complete moron. No one could be that stupid. Therefore they are paid trolls.

The hillbillies want same sex marriage gone. That's why they elected Trump. They're obsessed with it. When they're waiting in line at the food pantry- unemployed and broke- the thought they 'owned the fags' will keep them warm.

The most Supreme Court could do would be to overturn Obergefell. Which is not as likely to happen as some of you may think. However, if it is overturned, same-sex marriage would go back to the states, which are actively working on overturning their bans.

I've read conflicting things about gay marriage in Washington state. But our governor signed the Marriage Equality Act in the spring of 2012 and then the state voters were allowed to vote on a state referendum in that fall. The referendum passed by 54%. The Marriage Equality Act is law in Washington state - but it's not protected in the state constitution.

That should never go up for a public vote.

You know how the Red states are less enthusiastic about the gays....Ok, so where is all the actual gays and their familys, friends etc to balance things out? Are the gays staying in the closet or moving away, hence their loveliness as a gay is lost on many; who might indeed alter their opinion, once they get to know one of us?

Dissolution will be swift and thorough-

Already ended.

Although I agree the rights of a minority should never be put up to the ballot box and the majority, I am proud of my home state of Maine for also passing gay marriage through ballot referendum.

The haters and bigots (for that is what they are) will chip away at Obergefell v Hodges with court cases and state laws "protecting" religious "liberty" and so-called consciences. We've seen it already with the protection of bakers and other providers of wedding services who object to same-sex marriage on religious grounds. The Supreme Court should have upheld the absolute right not to be turned away from a business simply for who you are and the rites and rituals that celebrate who you are. The court nonsensically in their argument said the baker put his/her individual stamp on their cakes.

Bakers are not artists. At most, they are craftsmen.

Disholushion will be shwift???

The Supremes will vote 5-4 to overturn Obergafell and leave it up to the States to decide. There will be no more federal recognition so no more joint tax filings. I could also see the Trump Administration pushing all recipients of federal aid (hospitals, universities, etc) to refuse to grant spousal benefits.

After gay marriage is struck down, the next target would be contraceptives and making that a states rights issue too

For those who don’t know or remember, here are just a few of the more than 1,000 Federal benefits given to Federally-married couples. Even if every US state is required to recognize all the marriages of other states, the loss of Federal recognition would be a substantial loss.

[quote]There will be no more federal recognition so no more joint tax filings.

That would require a new DOMA which won't pass Congress now. Unlike the original, every Democrat in both houses will vote against it. And at least a few of the Republicans who voted for the RFMA would also do so. If it even fails in one house of Congress, it would go nowhere.

Who are these Republicans who have a spine amd a conscience of which you speak, R64? Republicans in either house today aren't exactly profiles in courage

[quote]Who are these Republicans who have a spine amd a conscience of which you speak,

In the Senate:

Roy Blunt Mo. Richard Burr N.C. Shelley Moore Capito W.Va. Susan Collins Maine Joni Ernst Iowa Cynthia Lummis Wyo. Lisa Murkowski Alaska Rob Portman Ohio Mitt Romney Utah Dan Sullivan Alaska Thom Tillis N.C. Todd C. Young Ind.

In the House:

Mike Gallagher Wis. Jaime Herrera Beutler Wash. Kelly Armstrong N.D. Don Bacon Neb. Ken Calvert Calif. Kat Cammack Fla. Mike Carey Ohio Liz Cheney Wyo. John Curtis Utah Rodney Davis Ill. Tom Emmer Minn. Brian Fitzpatrick Pa. Andrew R. Garbarino N.Y. Mike Garcia Calif. Carlos A. Giménez Fla. Tony Gonzales Tex. Anthony Gonzalez Ohio Ashley Hinson Iowa Darrell Issa Calif. Chris Jacobs N.Y. David Joyce Ohio John Katko N.Y. Nancy Mace S.C. Nicole Malliotakis N.Y. Peter Meijer Mich. Mariannette Miller-Meeks Iowa Blake D. Moore Utah Dan Newhouse Wash. Jay Obernolte Calif. Tom Rice S.C. Mike Simpson Idaho Elise Stefanik N.Y. Bryan Steil Wis. Chris Stewart Utah Michael R. Turner Ohio Fred Upton Mich. David G. Valadao Calif. Ann Wagner Mo. Michael Waltz Fla.

They all voted for the RFMA which overturned DOMA. We might not get all of them on a new DOMA, and some may be gone by that time. But we wouldn't need that many to combine with the Democrats to stop it.

"... the absolute right not to be turned away from a business simply for who you are..."

And we have the right to cancel, ghost and boycott.

[quote] [If] the Supreme Court overturned its marriage equality decision, that wouldn’t invalidate anyone’s existing marriage, and it wouldn’t prevent couples from continuing to marry in many states. Just as importantly, federal law would continue to require all states to respect those marriages. The Respect for Marriage Act, which was passed by Congress in 2022 and signed by President Biden, requires the federal government and all states to recognize the marriages of same-sex and interracial couples as long as the marriage was valid in the state where it was performed. Those important protections will remain in place no matter what the Supreme Court might decide in the future.

Couldn’t the Supreme Court overturn The Respect for Marriage Act if it wanted to prevent Federal recognition of same-sex marriages?

R68, even if the respect for marriage act was overturned, the federal government could vary much still recognize same-sex marriages if it wanted to. The federal government could still offer Social Security benefits to same-sex couples.

R69 Thanks. Unfortunately, the word “could” isn’t the same as “must.”

I’m a coward. This is what pushes me to activism. I have nothing to lose.

R66 - at a glance, half of the Senators you listed are no longer serving. I won't bother going through the Reps.

You're living in 2022. Our allies grow thin.

Eight of those twelve Republican Senators are still there. And we don't need that many Repubs in either house. Just a handful combined with the Democrats can stop any push for a new DOMA.

And look at the names on those lists. A number of them are by means friends of our community. But they saw fit to vote for the RFMA. I don't believe that a new DOMA will ever be a big priority for the Repubs again. It's not going to generate the kind of hoopla that the original did nearly thirty years ago when they tried to use it as a wedge issue against Clinton in that year's election (which was its primary purpose). By and large they don't really care any more. I won't say that it's impossible but it's pretty damned unlikely.

I think they will allow federal recognition to stand but no longer force individual states to perform gay marriages if they choose not to.

[quote] That would require a new DOMA which won't pass Congress now. Unlike the original, every Democrat in both houses will vote against it. And at least a few of the Republicans who voted for the RFMA would also do so. If it even fails in one house of Congress, it would go nowhere.

The only problem is, public opinion on this topic is quickly starting to swing in the wrong direction again. And they are just getting started.